- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:23:36 -0400 "Jonathan Engdahl" <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> writes: > I didn't realize that they had ever shipped the chip. I have a set of > manuals, probably early. There seemed to be a lot of holes in the > architecture -- things that weren't explained, or perhaps had not > yet been figured out. I wanted to get my hands on one a long time ago, > but they dropped it before I ever saw the possibility of geting a chip. > I never did figure out how they implemented their garbage collection. ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ Well that certainly explains why the chip never saw the light of day; Bill G. must have stomped all over this one. Porting Windows to it would have proved impossible, since pretty much the entire Windows system is 'garbage'. :^> Sorry guys, couldn't resist . . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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HP 300

by optimus＠canit.se

This week had a fine start. I walked into a little computer shop which has trays of old ISA cards and sometimes odd equipment which I can buy cheaply. This monday, they had a slightly familiar-looking box on top of a large shipment of PCs. A HP 9000/300! When I asked them what it would cost, they were surprised that they could even charge money for it, and let me have it for 50 crowns. My pleasure. Once I had bought it, though, I though that 9000/300 was a suspiciously low number. Wasn't that some kind of 68010 based machine? And why would such a machine have two Ethernet NICs? It really semed like a waste, but on the underground ride how, I pulled out the big board with all the ports, which seemed notably shinier and newer than the NIC above, and found that it had a 68040. I thus deducted that it must be a 9000/380. Has this machine been upgraded, or did HP simply not bother to identify their machines any closer than the series (in this case 9000/300)? In any case, it came without keyboard, and I read that in order to switch it over to serial terminal mode, one would have to perform a certain manoeuvre via the keyboard. Bloody well thought out, HP! Is there no way to use a serial terminal without any HIL keyboard involved? The machine starts up and beeps a little. It's got not drives installed, but there's a 50-pin "Centronics" connector marked SCSI/FS-HPIB. What is FS-HPIB? Doesn't sound like anything I'd like to feed into my SCSI devices. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. A Spanish MSX Group "Matra" visited to this Fair. I lent Spanish stand to them. They showed and did Promotion play of SEX BOMB BUNNY. And this Game has tema song of Majingar-Z! Why they know Japanese TV animation? K. Ikeda, MSX-Print

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(OT) Acorn RiscPC 600

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, I picked up an Acorn RiscPC 600 base unit the other day, my first Archimedes- type Acorn machine. Anyway, I have a few questions. Perhaps someone can point me to a decent web site about the Acorn machines? - I'm assuming the RiscPC 600 uses an Archimedes-type mouse. This should not be a major problem, as a simple pin-to-pin adapter should allow a three- button Amiga mouse to be connected. - Can I use a PS/2 type PC keyboard, or is a custom Acorn keyboard needed? - Before powering it up, I want to remove the hard disk and create an image file of its contents. The CD-ROM drive needs to be removed in order to get to the hard disk. I can't see how to do that. Any ideas? -- Mark

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How many transistors in the 6502 processor?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> >The stack is truly a bummer, but there's software ways around that. As a return address stack it was adaquate. I like to pass parameters on the stack with 8080/z80 and even PDP-11 and the 6502 stack is not up to that. >FWIW, the later 65CE02 deals with both these issues. You can "move" zero page >anywhere in memory you want on the fly (so that you can pick a memory page >and optimize access to it), and the stack pointer is now 16-bit. The 65CE02's >most well-known usage was in its guise as the CSG 4510 in the mythical >Commodore 65 (see Yes but can you push parameters onto the stack prior to the call? Allison

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More items for the collection

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Over the last few weeks it's been slow but I got few goodies that I an tell you about and some that I can't (not 10 years old yet). 1>Sharp PC-4600 laptop not able to test yet, need charger or new batteries for it. 2>Clear see-thru Milton Bradley SIMON 3>Sun Sparcstation 1+ 4>Epson Geneva PX-8 5>Telex 1174 Prodtype 1174-90R computer with a 079 Telex display terminal, and Telex KB. Not tested yet. 6>SEGA Genesis power base converter model 1620 7>Vintage IBM wiring programmer tool with collator programming manual That's it for now. Keep Computing

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Free: SCO Open Desktop 1.0.0 on 5.25" disks

by rich＠lafferty.ca

Hi -- I'm cleaning out closets here, and I've come across a copy of SCO Open Desktop 1.0.0 (!) on 5.25" disks. I've no idea where it came from, but that's the case with a *lot* of the stuff in this closet. :-) Anyhow, if someone would find this interesting/useful, it's yours. I'd prefer you pay shipping, just so I'm not actually *losing* money on it. :-) It's a 9 x 9 x 6 1/2" box, weighs five lbs or so (75% manuals, 25% floppies, in three still-sealed floppy-boxes!). "System requirements: For 386 or 486 computers based on Industry Standard Architechture or Extended Industry Standard Architecture. Minimum requirements include: 6.0 MB of memory; 100 MB of disk space; EGA, VGA, Extended VGA, Herculese Monochrome, or selected high-performance adapter; Bus or serial mouse (recommended); and, 3C501, 3C503, 3C523 or WD8003E Network Card (optional)." It's never been used, so you get the license and activation keys as well. It's marked "FOR SHIPMENT WITHIN THE U.S. AND CANADA ONLY", so I can't guarantee you'll have a legal license if youre not there. Quickly reading over the blurb, it's got LAN Manager and MS-DOS support, X11, and an unknown DBMS includeed, and "unleashes the full power of 386 and 486 machines". Zowie! Anyhow, drop me a line if you want it. It'll go to the first person to offer to pay shipping, or, if no-one does, to the first person that's not too expensive to send to. :-) SKILL-TESTING QUESTION: I'm not on the list anymore -- please reply directly to me. (On the off chance the address above fails (brand new!), try <rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca>.) Cheers, -Rich

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Austin Texas UT Auction

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

If ANYONE at all can go to that, I will worship you forever if you get that Stardent and the 8600 for me... I'll gladly reimburse you, possibly even a finders fee for your time.. gawd... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Marion Bates wrote: > I don't see an ADB port on the unit itself, but the megapixel has > one. Does that mean that the computer _requires_ the megapixel display > in order to be useable at all? Or, in the absence of that monitor, can > it use one of the other ports (which one?) for a keyboard/mouse? Be careful here...Some NeXTs use ADB and some don't. And yes, you need the monitor. > What is the purpose of the "DSP" port? (Two triangles beside it, one > pointing up and one down, and the connector is 15-pin) The DSP port didn't have any set purpose. It's a high-speed synchronous port with a directt path to the machine's DSP chip. It's been used for many things including high-quality video and audio I/O and stuff like that. I've seen many home-brew lab experiments using that port also, both in personal applications as well as in laboratories. One popular application involved building an interface to connecting a glove-like input device (PowerGlove or something like that) to the DSP port and use it for virtual-reality-like experimentation. > Which port(s), if any, are LocalTalk-able? I see two mini-din serial > ports (labeled A and B) and one old-fasioned 9-pin connector with a > picture of a laserprinter. An "old-fashioned" 9-pin connector...I got a good chuckle out of that. ;) > Last thing -- what are the specs on these, or where can I find that > out? Those serial ports use the same pinouts as Macs and Sun IPC/IPX machines. -Dave McGuire

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > NeXT monitors are neither expensive nor difficult to find. It's > >really not worth messing with. > > They certainly are heavy beasts though! I bet my color N4001 > weighs 70 pounds. One thing you have to watch out for is dimness > though. Very true on both points. Those big color tubes are painful to move. The mono tubes aren't too bad, though. -Dave McGuire

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LANCE

by optimus＠canit.se

Where does one get an AMD LANCE ethernet controller nowadays? Preferably in a DIL (?) package. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. [E]xcept in the works of Gunnar Asplund, architect of the Stockholm Exhibition of 1930 and the Stockholm crematorium, Sweden has never contributed much to the revolutionary developments through which modern architecture made its initial impact on the world. J.M. Richards, Modern Architecture

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Dave McGuire skrev: > > >On May 22, Marion Bates wrote: > >> I don't see an ADB port on the unit itself, but the megapixel has > >> one. Does that mean that the computer _requires_ the megapixel display > >> in order to be useable at all? Or, in the absence of that monitor, can > >> it use one of the other ports (which one?) for a keyboard/mouse? > > > Be careful here...Some NeXTs use ADB and some don't. And yes, you > >need the monitor. > > Can't one just construct a breakout cable? Or does it involve advanced > electronics? One can construct a breakout cable, but then you'd have to come up with a monitor that'd sync to the framebuffer's output. NeXT monitors are neither expensive nor difficult to find. It's really not worth messing with. -Dave McGuire

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DEC site

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Paul Williams wrote: > > Well, I haven't decided on a site to host this yet but it sits here > http://www.wzrd.com/homeb/jroth/wirzhome/webwirz.htm temporarily. > > > I welcome any ideas on how to improve the site or something you > > might like to see. > > I'd like to see anything at all. It just appears to be a bunch of Flash > files at the moment, which make it completely impenetrable. I was about to say the same thing. -Dave McGuire

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:58:43PM -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >> > What is the purpose of the "DSP" port? (Two triangles beside it, one > >> > pointing up and one down, and the connector is 15-pin) > >> > >> I'm sure there must have been something that was made to plug into > >> that port, but I don't know what. It leads to a Digital Signal > >> Processor. > > > >Yeah I think there's a sound box with a speaker, and some audio connectors. > > The soundbox plugged into the same cable as the monitor, both > of which plugged into the monitor output. I've yet to see anything > that plugged into the DSP port, though I'm sure there must have been > stuff. Two products called "Digital Eyes" and "Digital Ears", that allowed for video and audio digitization. Also the DayDream box, a small box that basically turned your NeXT into a Mac Quadra if you booted the right kernel. Those were the only commercial products that I've seen, though there have been rumors of others. -Dave McGuire

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apollo 425t

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

The DN3000 and DN3500 are *earlier* machines, *not* later... the 425t is an HP machine, it's technically an HP Apollo 9000/425t.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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NeXTstation questions

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > I don't see an ADB port on the unit itself, but the megapixel has one. > > Does that mean that the computer _requires_ the megapixel display in > > order to be useable at all? Or, in the absence of that monitor, can it > > use one of the other ports (which one?) for a keyboard/mouse? > > Unless this is a Turbo model, even though the connector looks like > it, it isn't an ADB port. Being a Turbo NeXT (either color or mono) does NOT mean it's an ADB NeXT. Indeed, I've a stack of color turbos here that are most certainly not ADB. -Dave McGuire

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NeXTstation questions

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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classiccmp-digest V1 #606

by philpem＠btinternet.com

Hi, > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:40:50 +0100 (BST) > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Sharp CE-515P plotter/printer - info? > > > > > Hi, > > I've just acquired a nice little Sharp plotter/printer (model CE-515P). > > I assume this is one of the little 4 colour units with the tiny ballpoint > pens on the carriage and paper about 4" wide. Yup. > The same mechanism was used by other companies (Oric printer, Tandy > CGP115, Commodore 1520, and so on). Many of them (but not the Commodore) > used the same microcontroller chip to operate the mechanism, and they all > respond to the same commands. Not my Sharp - it works with some of the graphics commands (not AXIS or Text Rotation, though), but not others, and it needs an ESC b to put it into graphics mode. > Somewhere I have the service manual for the mechanism (how to take it > apart and replace mechanical bits). No idea where you'd get spares from, > though. Anyone got a metal milling machine? > > It seems to be in reasonably good condition and it works (to some extent). > > The most common problem with these units is that the little pinion gears > on the stepper motor shafts break. They're force-fitted onto the shafts > and the crack. This causes them (a) to slip and (b) not to mesh properly > with the next gear in the train. Urk... > At one time you could get spares from Tandy National Parts (as a spare > for the CGP115 plotter), but not any more (and not for many years, > actually). I've heard various solutions involving binding them up with a > twist of wire (wound round the part of the pinion that doesn't mesh with > the next gear) so as to close the crack, but I am not sure how good these > solutions are. How about putting a bit of copper wire over the crack, squeezing the gear together, heating the wire up with a soldering iron, pushing the wire into the plastic and cutting off the excess? Or it might be possible to use a metal staple or two. Should be quite strong. > It might almost be worth trying to make some replacements from scratch. > You'd need a milling machine (or lathe with vertical slide) and a > dividing head. And you'd need to make a special cutter (probably a fly > cutter), since IIRC, these gears are a non-standard pitch. But it should > be possible. Oh. I wouldn't mind a set of metal gears for it if they're all plastic. Two of each should be enough. :-) > > Only problem is, I don't have a manual. Does anyone here know what the > > control codes for this little thing are? I also need the pinouts for the > > RS232C port on the back. > > How many pins on the RS232 port. And is it known to be RS232? Many of these > plotters have a parallel interface on a strange connector (such as a 0.1" > header plug). The standard microcontroller implements a parallel > interface and 3 wire RS232 (input data, ready, ground) at 600 baud. It's a four pin DIN socket and it's labelled "RS-232C". > Here are the standard commands for these printers (assuming it does use > the normal microcontroller). > > It starts off in text mode. In this mode, characters are printed in the > way you'd expect, carriage return and/or line feed do what you'd expect > (there's a dip switch to select whether it automatically does linefeed on > carriage return). There are 2 other control codes to know about : > > 18 (decimal) : go into graphics mode Doesn't work, see above. > 29 (decimal) : Select the next pen Doesn't work - ESC 0 to ESC 3 work on mine. > In graphics mode, you send it printable commands to make it do things. > The main ones are : > > A go back to text mode Works, > Cn Select pen <n> (0-3) Doesn't work - ESC 0-3 works, though. > D x,y... Draw from current point to x,y (absolute). You can specify > several points as D x1,y1,x2,y2,x3,y3.... > I Set origin to current pen position > H Move pen back to origin > J x,y Draw relative by x,y > M x,y Move pen (without drawing) to x,y (absolute) Work fine. > Ln Set line type to <n> (0-15). Different forms of dashed line Haven't tried that yet. > Pstring Print character string (until CR received IIRC). Works. > Qn Set print direction to <n> (0-3 = normal, down, reversed, up) Dowsn't work. > R x,y Move relative by x,y Works fine > Sn Set text size to n (0-63, larger numbers = larger text. 0 = 80 > cpl, 1 = 40 cpl) > Xa,n,d Draw axis. a=0 for Y, 1 for X. n = number of divisions, d = size > of division. None of those work. > That should get you started, assuming it's the standard controller chip. > > > > Also, does anyone know where to get pens and plotter rolls for this > > thing? > > No, but I wish I did. I have several of them, and even an electronic > 'typewriter' using a wider version of the same mechanism. I've just found a source for paper and pens. In Germany... And now onto the next mail... > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:26:27 -0400 > From: Christopher Caldwell <hardwire(a)ptd.net> > Subject: Re: Sharp CE-515P plotter/printer - info? > > Philip Pemberton wrote: > > > Also, does anyone know where to get pens and plotter rolls for this > > thing? > > If we're talking about a similar type of gizmo here, there is a US > company called Alltronics (www.alltronics.com) that currently offers > the following: > > ALPS PRINTER/PLOTTER PENS > > As used by Radio Shack, Atari, Commodore, Workslate and other printers > and plotters. Set of four black pens. 92C084 One Set - $1.99 When I can get them for about 1 UK? exc. P&P, why bother? > ...and to make things even stranger, they also have an Atari 8-bit > plotter for sale too: > > ATARI 1020 COLOR PRINTER > > For all Atari 8-bit computers. Package includes: printer, power supply, > software, pens, paper and interface cable. These are new units in > factory sealed boxes. 94C037 $14.95 each Nice. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem(a)bigfoot.com

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tape drives

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

The commodore tape drive system apparently put a header at the start of each file. You could fast forward through the tape manually until you got to about where the file you wanted was. Of course, most of us just bought 10 minute computer grade tapes and put one program or whatever on each side... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Exidy Sorcerer

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 21:17, Tony Duell wrote: > > > Or cut off the existing plug and fit a nice, UK mains plug. Which I would > > > do anyway, since like you I regard mains adapter plugs to be the > > > invention of the devil. > > > > Could we agree on a fine DIN plug ? :)) > > Anybody who uses an (audio-type) DIN plug for a mains connection is > likely to be a candidate for a Darwin award :-) I think Hans may be referring to a Schuko plug -- it's a DIN standard :-) > Often it's simpler (if the motor itself will run at 50Hz) just to make a > different drive pulley. Which is why all us computer collectors have a lathe in the workshop :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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NeXTstation questions

by CARL.P.HIRSCH＠sargentlundy.com

Here's the NeXT FAQ - http://www.channelu.com/NeXT/NeXTFAQ-new/NeXTFAQ.toc.html That's for telling me about Black Hole computing. Definitely more deserving of one's business than your average eBay profiteer. -carl Marion.Bates@dartmout h.edu (Marion Bates) To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: cc: owner-classiccmp@clas Subject: Re: NeXTstation questions siccmp.org 05/22/01 03:27 PM Please respond to classiccmp Hey all, It's definitely not an ADB port...I didn't look carefully enough. :) I ended up ordering a monitor cable and keyboard/mouse from Black Hole Inc. which has some nice historical info and quite a selection of NeXT hardware and software for sale. Thanks for all the info, folks! -- MB

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Looking for laptop docking station resources on the Web

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

It may be off topic, so let me ask that people send replies directly, but I just picked up this Thinkpad and docking station at Dayton and am looking for information on the docking station. It's the one with the speakers that stick out like Mickey Mouse ears on both sides. It appears to have an internal SCSI adapter, some odd, high-density ribbon connectors (26 pin, 50 pin and 60 pin), and a slot for a CD-ROM. I'd love to enhance this thing just a little bit, at least enough to use it for Linux (16Mb RAM, 800Mb disk). Any pointers to docking station resources are appreciated. I am also looking for docks for a couple other laptops I have (Toshiba T2100 and Compaq Aero 4/25) Thanks, -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:58:43PM -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > What is the purpose of the "DSP" port? (Two triangles beside it, one > > > pointing up and one down, and the connector is 15-pin) > > > > I'm sure there must have been something that was made to plug into > > that port, but I don't know what. It leads to a Digital Signal > > Processor. > > Yeah I think there's a sound box with a speaker, and some audio connectors. ...which doesn't connect to the DSP port. It connects to the video/kbd/audio connector on color NeXT machines. The NeXT soundbox isn't used on mono machines because the speakers and audio connectors (and sometimes the mic, depending on version) are built into the monitor. -Dave McGuire

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DEC site

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

Well, I haven't decided on a site to host this yet but it sits here http://www.wzrd.com/homeb/jroth/wirzhome/webwirz.htm temporarily. I may just decide to leave it on Yahoo. Let me know what you think. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel with these pages so I am basically just going to concentrate on my personal collection. I welcome any ideas on how to improve the site or something you might like to see. Its a little unpolished and very incomplete but that will hopefully change with weekly improvements. I should have the domain in someones DNS in a couple of weeks so you'll be able to access it as webwirz.com. I want to add a phpbb message board in the future but that will depend on the host having Php and Mysql available. Please note that nothing in my equipment listing is for sale but I do trade occaisionally for things I'm looking for. Thanks, Brian. Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Exidy Sorcerer

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

That said, actually the better makes of D-connector are rated for quite high voltages (500V and above). They were used on valved equipment, for example. So I you could use a D connector for mains, not that I would, of course. 9 pin D connectors were quite common for mains on BBC equipment but only on backplanes for slot mounted units, never as flying leads. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

While I did laugh my ass off when I read this, it took me a while to get to the actual text. 3826 bytes of embedded html/xml garbage to transfer 350 bytes of text. God I love Microsoft. -Dave McGuire On May 21, Bob Stek wrote [useless html/xml garbage removed]: > After the RMA, RTMA and EIA published standards, aother industry > association tried to make some sense of the various computer connectors. > The retiring president James McDonald of the Electronics Industry > Engineers' (EIE) tried unsuccessfully to promulgate yet another set of > standards for computer inter-connects. This was known as old McDonald's > EIE I/O.

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FA: old computer sales and service video training tapes. Compaq Deskpro, Compaq Portable II, DEC Rainbow, AT&T 6300.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still cleaning house and I've just finished listing a bunch of video tapes on E-bay. These tapes were for sales and/or service training for several of the old PCs, including the AT&T 6300, Compaq Portable II, Compaq Portable 286, Compaq Deskpro, Compaq Deskpro 286 and the DEC Rainbow 100 and 100+. There are also a bunch of various tapes from the old ComputerLand stores. All of these tapes were propriatary and were only supposed to be viewed by authorized dealers. Consequently they are very hard to find. These are top quality tapes and are very informative. Take a look; http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u…. Joe

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H89 Computer needs good home

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

Hi... I do have some interest. Having lost my old Heath catalogs I can't quite recall what the H89 is all about, but I wouldn't mind taking the H8. Please let me know what kind of $'s you're looking for, and what all is included. Thanks! p.s. I did try emailing you directly but I had it returned with an error message. I'll try again shortly. Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by r.stek＠snet.net

After the RMA, RTMA and EIA published standards, aother industry association tried to make some sense of the various computer connectors. The retiring president James McDonald of the Electronics Industry Engineers' (EIE) tried unsuccessfully to promulgate yet another set of standards for computer inter-connects. This was known as old McDonald's EIE I/O.

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 20, 8:26, John Foust wrote: > At 11:19 PM 5/19/01 -0400, Claude.W wrote: > >I grew up using Commodore equipement at home. > >1 Sun Mouse (what was that doing in there?) > > I seem to remember that a Sun mouse was quite similar > to an Amiga mouse. In particular, the ones that required > a reflective mouse pad were quite fashionable. Are you sure? AFAIK, all Amiga mice are dumb quadrature mice with two buttons, and their interface consists of 5V power, ground, four quadrature signals (2 for X and 2 for Y) and two button signals. A Sun mouse has a proprietary encoded interface that uses three (or four?) wires. I suppose you could rig one up to a serial port, if you wrote a suitable driver (might also need a level translator). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Exidy Sorcerer

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 23:42, Tony Duell wrote: > Oh, that horrible thing.... Not fused Because each circuit is supposed to have its own breaker in the main box, and there would normally be very few outlets on one circuit, and many more circuits than we tend to have in the UK. My Schuko sockets are two to a breaker. > > Which is why all us computer collectors have a lathe in the workshop :-) > > Exactly... Well, not in the same workshop that I do electronic repairs > in, and certainly not where I run large hard disks (swarf and demountable > hard disks don't mix...). But certainly in _a_ workshop.... Mine is in the smae workshop. Not ideal, but I'm careful where I let the swarf go (metal swarf is quite heavy so it's not too hard) and where I lay disk packs. Now the arc welder is a different story. The spatter from that can go everywhere, so it's in the garage not the workshop/computer room. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 3:26, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Pete Turnbull skrev: > If you'd ever dare take away my third button, I'd make the rest of your life > very short and painful, Peter. =) Sorry, I'd never seen a 3-button mouse on an Amiga. Sounds reasonable enough. > >A Sun mouse has a > >proprietary encoded interface that uses three (or four?) wires. I suppose > >you could rig one up to a serial port, if you wrote a suitable driver > >(might also need a level translator). > > Now, there's a funny project: removing all the encoding circuitry and rewiring > the Sun mouse in order to make it an Amiga compatible quadrature mouse! There's a web page somewhere describing exactly how to do that for a Microsoft mouse. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC Memory

by vance＠ikickass.org

Anyone know where I can get MS02-CA RAMs for DECstations cheap? I need about 120 of them and I don't want to spend $7000+. Thanks. Peace... Sridhar

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 21, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > While I did laugh my ass off when I read this, it took me a while to > >get to the actual text. 3826 bytes of embedded html/xml garbage to > >transfer 350 bytes of text. God I love Microsoft. > > It didn't show up as HTML on Eudora and I generally keep HTML > display turned on. Well my mailer certainly didn't synthsize it, man... ;) -Dave McGuire

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 18:34, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > While I did laugh my ass off when I read this, it took me a while to > >get to the actual text. 3826 bytes of embedded html/xml garbage to > >transfer 350 bytes of text. God I love Microsoft. > > It didn't show up as HTML on Eudora and I generally keep HTML > display turned on. Oh, it was definitley HTML. Encoded as "[ Attachment (multipart/alternative): 3829 bytes ]", so if you had HTML display turned off in Eudora, it probably just showed you the flat-ASCII version, which was there as well as the cruft. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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(OT) Acorn RiscPC 600

by philpem＠btinternet.com

> I picked up an Acorn RiscPC 600 base unit the other day, my first Archimedes- > type Acorn machine. Good for you. I've got one too - 16MBs of RAM, ARM610 CPU - and it runs rings round my Windoze box. > Anyway, I have a few questions. Perhaps someone can point me to a decent web > site about the Acorn machines? > > - I'm assuming the RiscPC 600 uses an Archimedes-type mouse. This should not > be a major problem, as a simple pin-to-pin adapter should allow a three- > button Amiga mouse to be connected. Yup. It uses an Acorn quadrature mouse. Available from www.castle.org.uk. > - Can I use a PS/2 type PC keyboard, or is a custom Acorn keyboard needed? Yes, the Acorn k/b is a standard PS/2 keyboard. > - Before powering it up, I want to remove the hard disk and create an image > file of its contents. The CD-ROM drive needs to be removed in order to get > to the hard disk. I can't see how to do that. Any ideas? There are two long L-shaped locking pins that hold the case together at the back and two near the front of the slice. Pull the back L-clips out and look for two circular clips with small (3mm or so) tags on. Rotate them and pull them out. Lift off the slice and you can get at the HD. It will probably be a standard IDE interface. If you really want to get help with this machine, try joining up to the newsgroups comp.sys.acorn, comp.sys.acorn.announce, comp.sys.acorn.apps and comp.sys.acorn.hardware. Chances are, someone there will be able to help. I'm also a regular in CSA, CSA.misc, CSA.hardware and CSA.programmer. If you want, I'll scan in the relevant part of my Risc PC Welcome Guide and upload it to my i-drive. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem(a)bigfoot.com

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(OT) Acorn RiscPC 600

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 20:45, Mark wrote: > I picked up an Acorn RiscPC 600 base unit the other day, my first Archimedes- > type Acorn machine. Nice find :-) I'm still looking for a Risc PC. I left Acorn about the time of the A540/R260 and those are the latest Acorn machines I have. > Anyway, I have a few questions. Perhaps someone can point me to a decent web > site about the Acorn machines? The FAQ is still updated and is at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/acorn/faq/part1/ > - I'm assuming the RiscPC 600 uses an Archimedes-type mouse. This should not > be a major problem, as a simple pin-to-pin adapter should allow a three- > button Amiga mouse to be connected. > > - Can I use a PS/2 type PC keyboard, or is a custom Acorn keyboard needed? I can't remember for sure when the changes were introduced, but I'm fairly sure the Risc PC uses a PS/2 keyboard but an Acorn mouse. If so, the keyboard connector will be 6-pin miniDIN (the older Acorn proprietary keyboards are also 6-pin miniDIN, though) and the mouse connector will be 9-pin miniDIN. > - Before powering it up, I want to remove the hard disk and create an image > file of its contents. The CD-ROM drive needs to be removed in order to get > to the hard disk. I can't see how to do that. Any ideas? Sorry, I don't know. I assume you mean how to remove the CD-ROM, not how to get the case open? I vaguely recall someone asking a similar question ages ago on comp.sys.acorn (or possibly comp.sys.acorn.hardware) so searching DejaNews (er, groups.google.com these days) might help. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Saved from garbage truck : TRS80 Model II & disk system! Now keyboard and boot disk/software anyone?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 20:36, Hans Franke wrote: > Thank you very much Pete. > > I was already so into bitch mode that I completely forgot > to look for a work around. I know the feeling only too well. I get extremely irritated at stupid things like this, myself. In fairness to Claude, I don't think he knew about the domain name rules. It seemed to be a complete surprise to him when I explained. I understand he originally asked for "computercollector" but the stupid ISP claimed it was too similar to something else but it was OK with the underscore (yeah, like the underscore makes all the difference). That ISP does what mine does: the "nice" personalised URL that looks like you have your own server is actually an alias to the canonical name, and the webserver is running virtual servers, translating xyzzy.tripod.com to members.tripod.com/xyzzy/. So the caonical URL is legal, but some droid at the ISP forgot (or didn't know) that the alias wasn't. > P.S.: The example about the page size is true ... there is a > generation of collectors ahead who don't know anything > about the ideas behind the prety plasic boxes. My pet hate is typified by pages that use screeds of Javascript to achieve what could have been does more easily and in 1/4th the space using plain sensible HTML -- and which fail to load properly on my machine because I normally have Javascript turned off for safety (it's a Unix box, so the risk is reduced, but you never know -- and I practically *never* turn Java on). For an example of the worst kind of page that needlessly complains when Javascript is disabled, see http://www.enterasys.com/ . It only fails because the error display gets in the way of the links! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Saved from garbage truck : TRS80 Model II & disk system! Now keyboard and boot disk/software anyone?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 14:04, Hans Franke wrote: > > http://computer_collector.tripod.com > > Maybe a nice page, but hard to get there ... The Domain name is > invalid, so I can't resolve it and get your page. I've had this problem with Claude's pages before (and some others). I even mailed him about it a while ago. However, I worked out that the alternative is http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/ (the underscore is legal in the directory name, just not in the domain name or hostname). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Intergraph?

by cgoggans＠counterpane.com

Hello... I've somehow managed to acquire a few Intergraph workstations in my lab. I've got a 2000, a 2400, and a 6100. I'm looking for install media for the Clipper UNIX that ran on these machines. Intergraph doesn't seem to know/care/remember anything about CLiX. Does anyone have any ideas where I might track media down?? Thanks, ->Chris

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LA210 problem with the control lines

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. During the weekend I found some time to check the VT102 -> LA210 connection. The suggestion Tony made, was very good. Stupid that I didn't think of it. I connected a VT220 to the VT102 printer port using the BC22D cable. Then I sent characters to the VT220. The letter E showed up as a zero and some other characters. After that nothing appeared on the VT220 screen. It was locked up. Next I connected my Tek 465 to the transmit pin (#2) of the printer port on the VT102. When I do the printer port test (screen full of E's) and send that to the printer port it became obvious why the LA210 prints garbage. Pin #2 is rougly -19 Volts. When characters are sent there are only spikes visible with an amplitude of about 20 V. superimposed on the -19 V. I hope I did not damage the LA210 as the transmit signal with the spikes go to almost -40 V. Or am I making a measurement error? The pin #2 (transmit) on the VT102 printer port is only connected to the (high impedance) input of the oscilloscope. The ground of the Tek is connected to pin #7. Do I need a resistor between pin #2 and ground (#7)? Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: donderdag 17 mei 2001 21:09 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: LA210 problem with the control lines > > > > > Hi all. > > > > Yesterday I connected my LA210 Letterprinter to the > > printerport of a VT102. > > Both are set at 9600 Bd, 8 databits, no parity and 1 stopbit. > > However when I send some 5 characters from the VT102 to the > > printer, it prints many mirrored question marks and > > other 'strange' characters. > > Do you _know_ that the printer port on the VT102 is working correctly > (and at the right baud rate)? Try connecting another terminal > (or a PC running a terminal emulator program) in place of the LA210 > and see what happens. > > In many systems, the transmit and receive baudrates are > derived from the same crystal. and in some cases, particularly > printer ports, DEC used the same baud rate generator for the transmit > and receive clocks. > That means, of course, that you can;t select different transmit and > receive speeds, but that's rarely needed for a printer port. > > Now a loopback test checks the port against itself. So, particularly > in the latter case, it could be running at totally the wrong > baud rate and still pass the loopback test. You want to check against > something else, like a PC. > > > Okay, I thought, the baudrate setting, etc. is not correct. > But it is. > > These are the checks I have done so far. > > 1) The used cable is an original DEC BC22D-25. This cable > is mentioned in the LA210 Letterprinter User Guide. > > It's printing something, so the data leads must be the right way round. > And the handshake (control) lines are not important until you > can get the printer to print some characters correctly. > > > I do not understand the message "Control lines failed". > > It's a problem with what are normally called the handshake > lines (RTS, CTS, etc). Either you've not got the right loopback plug > wiring, or you've got a problem on the LA210 logic board. > > > I have no field maintenance print set of the LA210 .... > > Nor do I. I do have the LA100 printset somewhere which is > electrically very similar, though. > > -tony

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 9:24, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > I've seen that with a MicroSoft Bus Mouse - you wack off the funny 8-pin > MS connector and stick on a nine-pin Amiga connector and you are done. I > haven't seen anyone attempt to convert a serial mouse to raw quadrature. > I suppose it could be done. Too easy :-) The page I saw described removing the serial controller from a mouse, and wiring straight to the quadrature connections. http://members.tripod.com/~ilkerf/chard/pc64mice.txt -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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H89 Computer needs good home

by EsterquestDF＠Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil

I have the computer, dual 8-inch drives, and loads of software. I also have an H8 system. I also have the HUG magazines. Is there any interest??? I can be reached at EsterquestDF(a)Npt.NUWC.Navy.mil Regards,

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by claudew＠videotron.ca

I grew up using Commodore equipement at home. Finding Commodore stuff is always fun for me. Friend of mine called and said to go over at this guy's place to empty out all his Commodore stuff for $10. Nothing exotic or really rare here, but I filled my car with: 1 Amiga 2000HD (not looked inside yet for possible goodies like accel boards...) 1 Amiga 500 1 Amiga 1084S monitor 1 Amiga Ext Floppy 1 Mackintosh (Apple clone maker IIRC) branded composite monitor 3 C64s computers 2 1541 drives 1 1541 II drives Approx 1000+ floppies of Commodore software Some original C64 software inbox like Sub Logic Flight Sim for C64...SSIs Computer Baseball... 2 Fast Load + some other assorted C64 carts 1 Mps801 printer 2 Amiga mice 1 Super Graphix Printer Interface for C64 1 C64 Koala Pad (?) Several books like : Mapping the Commodore 64, The Best of TorPet (good reading!) and other books for 6502 programming and similar. 1 Ton of cables and power supplies for all of this 2 Ribbons for the Mps801 1 Sun Mouse (what was that doing in there?) 1 386 clone (he was cleaning out...) Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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PDP-11/53

by dittman＠dittman.net

I've been gifted with a PDP-11/53 (or 53+) CPU module. The CPU is from a DECserver 550, and I have the box as well, so I'll be able to build up my PDP-11 there rather than use my BA23 from my MVII. From what I've been able to determine the CPU modules in the DECserver 550 has different ROMs, so I'll need to replace them to make a bootable system. I'll be able to use the Ethernet card in the DECserver 550 (DELQA), and I'll move over my RQDX3 and RD54 drives from the MVII. Since the CPU has 1.5M of RAM I won't need any extra memory (and from reading the PDP-11 history, adding memory off-board adds a real performance hit. So, does any here have a source for bootable ROMs for this CPU? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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'cross computer movers referrals

by mranalog＠home.com

"Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> said: > Doug Coward skrev: > >"Bruce Ray" <bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com> said > >> moving companies moving RETMA-racked equipment. > > > Are these really pre-1957 racks or is that a > >phrase of habit? > > Could you enlighten us rack nitwits as to what this business is about? Sorry, I have a really bad habit of boiling things down to as few words as possible. I really admirer people that can write emails that go on and on, for page after page. Anyway, before I get off the track, in 1924 a standards organization was formed called the Radio Manufacturers Association (RMA). In 1950, it became the Radio Television Manufacturers Association (RTMA). In 1953 it was renamed Radio Electronics Television Manufacturers Association (RETMA). And in 1957, it was renamed the Electronic Industries Association (EIA). Now, Bruce may have said RETMA out of habit when he meant EIA or these maybe racks from the mid-1950s. Why do I care? The mid-1950s were a time of rapid developments in the field of electronic analog computers. One company, Philbrick Researches developed an extensive line of power supplies, amplifiers, manifolds, and other analog computing components that made to be rack mounted. Cables interconnected the components in the rack. These cables used RETMA connectors. These connector are the diameter of and have pins the size of the base of a octal pin vacuum tube. Of course the pin spacing is different. I have a number of these components, but the connector are difficult to find. That's why my ears always perk up when I read "RETMA". I'm just nosing around to see if there is a bin in back of some surplus store were I might find connectors like these. And if anyone comes across any racks that have a tag saying "GAP/R", I would be VERY interested. Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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Odd connectors (was: 'cross computer movers referrals)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 21, John Honniball wrote: > My quest for an odd connector is a little different... I > have a Tektronix RF signal generator with a GR-874 > connector. It's hermaphrodite, in other words, it's both > male and female -- I only have one of them, so I can't > really explain how they connect up! The "GR" (General Radio) sexless connector is pretty common in really high-frequency stuff, but not quite as common as other (better-built, more expensive) sexless constant-impedance connectors such as the APC-7 and APC-3.5. What sort of connector are you trying to get to? -Dave McGuire

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Saved from garbage truck : TRS80 Model II & disk system! Now keyboard and boot disk/software anyone?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

This is a lucky week for me. After the carload/motherload of Commodore stuff for $10 now this Model II working with Disk System! Spotted by a friend on the side of the street. Advised owner I would pass by and pick it up. I did. It works and quite restorable : no cracks, major missing parts or evidence someone played in it! I am in need of boot disks and software to try it out. It had one 8" disk in the computer drive and I get a BOOT ERROR TK message after the computer tries to boot (?) a solenoid seems to bring the head in close proxymity of the floppy twice after drive goes to outoor most track...and then I get the message. I suspect the disks in the drive is not a boot disk, disk bad or a floppy problem... Head was not moving so I moved the head stepper motor with power off. Step motor moved back to outside track at boot attempt. So that motor works... Disk says ACCOUNTS PAYABLE LABELS. Who knows if this should boot...... I am in need of a boot disk and a few software would be nice... I have also no keyboard. Does anyone know if a keyboard for a Model TRS80 model 2000 will work on this? I have one of those... I plenty to offer in trade or thank you gift. See trade list on my crappy web site...ask, I have more... Thanks for the help Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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Where to buy Gorilla Banana printers?

by heatond30＠hotmail.com

Hi Doug, We have a Gorilla Banana Printer! It seems to be in good shape with the dust cover, manual, and old ribbon. We also have a ton of systems and componets ,and software (the good stuff)from that era, Commador 64, 128, 5.25 drives, Atari systems, and lots of other equipment. Printers like the big blue, Commador vic and others. We have the IBM PC jr system complete with monitor, printer, side parallel car, and extensive manuals. We have a lot of stuff from the 70's and 80's MAC performa 450 complete with software manuals modem, monitor, printer-Image Writer II, also a Apple IIgs with lots of attachments 5.25 & 3.5 drives, printer all complete! Windows 3.1 tower system complete has CD-rom, 5.25 1.2 mg, 3.5 1.44mg drives 2 hard drives 2.19.mg and 83.mg. Has Sound blaster card, modem, serial and parallel cards installed. Has the Calmira Final addition GUI (windows 95 desktop) installed. Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, lots of software installed like Word, Powerpoint, Excel, and more! We have 5 - HP smartdesk Writers Color and black inkjet printers TOO! 386 boards, ISA cards lots more. We would like to sell it all if possible! Contact us at samcgee65(a)hotmail.com Thank you, Mark McGee

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EtherNEA

by optimus＠canit.se

Here's an interesting link for the Atari buffs out there: http://home.nexgo.de/thomas.redelberger/prj/atari/ethernea -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. We have support for the PMAGC-B's on pmax right? That is a PixelVision based card right? I see Bt 463, that chip looks bigger than the 21164! Just looking at it makes me want to write an Xserver! Chris Tribo, NetBSD/pmax

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