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Tog and the interface (was: ID computer)

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> If you ever worked on a Xerox, where you had the copy/move/prop/... special > keys on the left hand side of your keyboard you'd know how easy handling can > be ... unlike todays interface, where you use the mouse for several thing, > here the little critter was only a pointing device, while you selected most > functions via keys (and your left hand). Heck yes, it's *way* better that what we've ended up with! I reckon things started going downhill when somebody dreamt up the menu bar - the original Star interface had a button bar across the top of the window where you could get at the few functions you couldn't provide by the left-hand keypad. None of this "hunt the menu option" rubbish you have to do now. IMHO the Star interface was, and still is, about as good as you're likely to get with the windows-icons-mouse paradigm. Look at the fuss Microsoft made about making the desktop more "document-centric" - that's what the Star desktop was all about in the first place! Something was lost when Apple implemented their own version of it, which Microsoft then copied. Al

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ADM = ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, I was meaning why do they go for so much now.. They're certainly not rare or for that matter, reliable. Not to mention that I find them ugly, ugly, ugly! But that last part was opinion.. Still, if you need a terminal today, get like a wyse-55 or something. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Now whats going on with the list... I'm getting everything twice! Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1649.monmouth.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Wanted: iAPX-432 >> [i860] >> > > You also find them in a most X-terminals. In fact, I think >> > > every X-terminal that I have checked used them. >> > >> > Interesting-- so far, all of the Xterms I've seen use either MIPS >> > or Motorola chips. I have seen them in alot of telecom and >> > cellular equipment, though . . . >> >> An Xtermianl I have here uses a TI 34010 as the main processor. Yes, a >> graphics processor chip. The Xserver (a very old version, may even be >> X10...) is in a row of EPROMs on a daughterboard that plugs into video board. >> >> There's also an 80188, but that's just used for I/O as far as I can see. >> >> -tony > >IBM used something similar in their low end Xterminals. >I think they upgraded to faster CPU's in the higher end 150 models. >The 110 (iirc) and 130(iirc) were pretty slow. > >I've got a Dec VT1200 here and it seems pretty good for a mono >Xterminal. > >Bill >--- > Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a > villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller > bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

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DEC Rainbow Saved

by ssietz＠iname.com

If anyone is looking for an old DEC Rainbow 100 (CPU, monitor, keyboard, modem) with software and documentation, please contact me at: ssietz(a)iname.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Thu, 24 May 2001 15:33:08 -0400 joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes: > >I remember that there were ISA boards with multiple i860's > >offered back then; the idea was to have lots of number-crunching > >power in a PC back then. However, I never saw similar > >products based on i960. I believe that the i860 was geared > >more towards float processing/embedded control/multi user OS/ > >parallel processing architectures and the i960 was strictly for > >embedded control, with emphasis on integer performance. > >You'll find i960's in many HP laser printers. > > > You also find them in a most X-terminals. In fact, I think > every X-terminal that I have checked used them. Interesting-- so far, all of the Xterms I've seen use either MIPS or Motorola chips. I have seen them in alot of telecom and cellular equipment, though . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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The MESA processor architecture

by aek＠spies.com

"Yes, all of the Xerox Workstations from the Alto on use a Mesa processor, A little like a Nova but with Writable Control Store (WCS)." Completely false. One of the Alto instruction sets was an extended Nova. The MESA machine is more like an HP3000 than a Nova. It is defined in the MESA "Princeops" manual. Alan Freier had this on line at one point, not sure if anyone saved a copy.

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by norm.anheier＠pnl.gov

Anyone have an Intel iAPX-432 processor chip that they are willing to part with? If so, I would be grateful if you would reply. Thanks Norm Anheier norm.anheier(a)pnl.gov

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ADM = ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well the manual certainly never says what ADM stands for, I can tell you that... As for rarity, I know where there is an ADM-3 or 3A or perhaps another model right now. It's sitting around at a customer, collecting dust. Now give me a Hazeltine 1500, and I'm interested : ) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Some history : DEC VT-180 (Robin), IBM PC (Worm), Apple...

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all. Anybody ever heard about this? I found it amusing... I was told by a longtime local DEC employee that DEC came out with the ROBIN (VT-180) to compete with IBM PC and Apple II. He (and other DEC employees) were told this by DEC top management: "The system we wanna target is the Apple II and IBM is coming out with a new computer (IBM PC) code named WORM because it will eat up the Apple. Well, we are coming out with the computer named ROBIN (VT-180) beacause its gonna eat the WORM that ate the Apple...IBM is a 16 bit machine with almost no software running MSDOS, we will be running Z80 CP/M with thousands of available programs" Hmmm....Now I know where the name Robin came from... BTW if anyone need this, I have the full schematics for the robin somewhere around here... Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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ADM = ?

by vcf＠siconic.com

What does the ADM as in ADM-3A terminal stand for? Anyone? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Xerox daybreak disk formatting question -- looong shot

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:36:20 -0700 (PDT) "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> writes: > >Great - and Thanks! I will try it this evening! > > > > Good luck! > > Al > > > > PS mesanet.com? Anything to do with the Mesa language? > > > > > No just our company name... though who knows, maybe I was influenced > by the Mesa Users Guide on my bookshelf when I made up the name (15 > years ago) Wasn't it also the name of the processor chip used in the Daybreak? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:39:09 -0700 Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> writes: > > >I, for one, think it is a great idea and have no problems at all > > >with it! Among other things, it does away with the luck of being > > >the first person to read a post and get the item. Also, it keeps > > >the item in this community which is most likely a good thing. > > > > I'm very annoyed indeed by spome idiot posting an ever-growing > > message consisting of one "Now it's up at a hundra bucks" line and 300 > > line sof quoted material (below the addition, mind you!). Several > > times a day. > > Instead of just complaining, offer a reasonable alternative!!!!! I > have no problems with it since it keeps everyone informed about > where the current bid is. That's fer sure! At least here, we're bidding amongst friends; auctions are kinda silly for (relatively) common or inexpensive items, but I think it's a good way for truly unique items to be sold: The seller gets a good price and because we as a community have a better feel for its true value (than your average weenie), the high bid *shouldn't* go out of sight. Besides, it's a *real* auction; not the sniper-ridden travesties that regularly occour on E-PAy. I'm still smarting from the first time I got sniped (and that was over two years ago). Just my $0.02 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Will Jennings wrote: > I still prefer what my dad calls it: A Dumb Machine. I don't see why people > pay so much for those things, they're not even very good terminals. Primarily because of their historical significance, I would imagine. -Dave McGuire

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > all the delays. I could be completely off, but didn't some > > > of the processor features get implemented in the i860? > > > > Yes. Was slow too ;-) > > The i860 did find success as an embedded controller, though. Still does, too. > I never did look at the i960 features; was it an improved > i860 or was it a completely new processor? Completely new processor.. -Dave McGuire

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Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!

by hahaha＠sexyfun.net

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter...

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Anybody need any M/A-COM ALANTHUS DATA, Inc. distribution disk?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I went scrounging again this morning and found a box of 9 - 8" floppy disks. The disks are original distribution disks for M/A-COM Standard Software 9.1, IWS Initialization, Software Developement and CTOS build. Does anyone need them? If so you can have them for shipping cost AND 1) $10 (my cost) or 2) just return them when yuou're finished with them or 3) replace them with new disks. All of the disks are in like new condition. I don't know what M/A-COM ALANTHUS DATA, Inc. is but 8 of the disks are in sleeves that are marked "Savin IS 2000" if that means anything. joe

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ADM = ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I still prefer what my dad calls it: A Dumb Machine. I don't see why people pay so much for those things, they're not even very good terminals. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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ID this board: M7165

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> writes: > It's for controlling drives like the RA81 and RA92. > > g. Yeah, it's SDI, according to the field guide. Dammit. > > On Thu, 24 May 2001, John Allain wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This guy is auctioning a: > > Vax QBUS KDA50 Disk Ctl (M7165) > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1240600239 > > > > What sort of interface is this? It almost looks SMD. > > Guess it isn't, also rule out SCSI and MFM, by appearances. > > > > Standard disflamer: This is Not my auction. > > John A. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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IBM 5161

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

One of these was in the middle of a big bunch of junk at the shop. Looks like it's got two 5 MB hard drives inside. A large-diameter cable is attached; evidently this connects to the "receiver" card in a PC. This may be distasteful, but I'm thinking of putting it on Ebay. Has anyone ever seen one of these sell before? If so, for how much??? Thanks. Glen 0/0

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I stand corrected as I was working from faded memory. I knew I was in the right eria ;>

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

I stand corrected as I was working from faded memory. I knew I was in the right eria ;> Travesty all the same. Brian. ______________________________________________ -- brian roth <brian.roth(a)firstniagarabank.com> wrote: > Next time you take a cruise, ask the captain what country the ship is > registered in. Most likely it will be Nigeria. I thought the favored nation for cruise lines was Liberia (for its liberal inspection requirements, among other things). They do mention in the fine print on TV ads the registry of the ship. -ethan Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Xerox daybreak disk formatting question -- looong shot

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

Whoa, 3 posts in one day, what's happenig to me :-) > I have a couple of daybreak machines with failing hard drives. I have the > 6085 offline diagnostic disk (2.0) which will format drives, but to do > formatting you need the system admin or tech support password. Does anyone > here happen to know one of these passwords? help! Yup - type "911" at the first menu prompt - after that you should get a lengthy message about how you shouldn't mess with commands if you don't know what you're doing (ie "call Xerox and we'll bill the s**t out of you for a 5 minute job")... Type "IAcceptTheRisk" at the second prompt (case doesn't actually matter, just did it for readability) and you should be in to the command prompt. A "?" shows you the options... Good luck! Al PS mesanet.com? Anything to do with the Mesa language?

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

Next time you take a cruise, ask the captain what country the ship is registered in. Most likely it will be Nigeria. Its how these cruise lines get around the enviromental laws. Most if not all discharge their gray water(showers, laundry, kitchen waste) and black water(you guessed it!) untreated right into the sea. I wonder how many people would book a cruise knowing that their human waste would be blasted into the ocean by the ships macerator's. Brian. "Merle K. Peirce" wrote: It's also quite surprising how many Nigerians come here to run insurance scams, staging accidents, etc. Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Kbd UIs (was Re: ID computer

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, wanted to add my ($/50) to this debate. In any discussion of what's the best UI, you have to be pretty careful to completely define your metric. It may include not only what you are doing, but also the time it takes you to learn (or teach someone else) how to do it, or other factors. Examples: 1) I've watched a vi wizard at work. He's *blindingly* fast accomplishing tasks (rewriting code, re-compiling, etc). I have extreme doubts that I could ever approach his speed with a CLI/vi interface. *But* I can already get close with a mouse text editor. With enough practice, maybe I could get close with vi or emacs. But I don't want to practice that much. 2) I do a fair amount of work on remote boxes. Some are far enough across the internet that xterm isn't practical, or I have to work over a modem line. Telnet and a CLI are absolutely indispensable to me in those situations (and MICROS~1 Windows would be absolutely impossible to use). 3) I use some graphics/drawing programs. I can imagine trying to use them with no mouse - but I recoil in horror at the thought. My bottom line: both interfaces is the way to go. I can learn easily to do things pretty fast with a mouse, and for tasks I don't do that often, that's usually what I want. I can do things on a remote machine better with a CLI, and sometimes that's what I want. Both have their place. - Mark

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i860 pictures

by ip500＠home.com

Cruising eBay I came across this auction for a bunch of i860 boards and rack ...pulled from an Intel Paragon ..seems a shame to pull it to pieces rather than keep in intact [but it shre ships easier that way!] I HAVE NO CONNECTION with this auction ... just been following the thread and thought I'd mention it. Craig

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IBM 5161

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Mr. Ismail: Thank you for your prompt and kind reply. Please see my embedded comments below. In a message dated 5/24/01 2:58:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << I know what it is and what it does, So do I. A usenet search and a look at "Upgrading and Repairing PCs," first edition, produced this information. << and about how common it is. This I'm unsure of. << And I have one. Glad to hear it. << If you want any more specifics from me then I want 10% of whatever it << goes for on eBay. This is certainly a reasonable offer, *if* these specifics will add 10% to the sale price, and, since you seem so confident, you should have no problem forwarding this information to me so that I may determine the value of said information before agreeing to your terms. Please understand that I'm not a shameless money-grubber; I have never sold any computer equipment on Ebay before. I have been scratching my head for six months, trying to figure out what to do with this item other than just tossing it into the dumpster. Now I am in a position where I would like to sell it in order to obtain other classic computer items. Your recent comments suggest that you are not in favor of auctions being conducted on this list, so Ebay seemed to be my best venue for *converting* this unit into items I want, need, and will use. If you found my inquiry offensive, perhaps you can tell me what other group would be more informed about the current $$ value of classic computer items than the members of this list. Regards, Glen Goodwin 0/0

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tape drives

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Tape trivia/comments It seems that the way to make a really accurate tape drive, such as those used for telemetry is to have two independently controlled capstans with sensors attached to each. The "old" vacuum column tape drives were really interesting to watch as the level of the tape oscillated up and down in the column. There are some technologies used with the Omnimax movie format that might be applicable to magnetic data storage. They place timing marks along the edge of the film to allow the system to detect and correct the speed of the film. The also can digitally encode the sound along the edge of the film, there are however separate attempts to coordinate sound on a CD with the film. I read an article about how CD's are cut out from a optical tape media which has lowered the cost of manufacture. It might be neat to make a storage media that was optical tape 3 inches wide. On a slightly different topic, there were early attempts to make video tape recorders that were not helical but used 256 parallel tracks each with a separate head. You could fastforward 1 minute by switching heads. Tape handling was much simpler that with helical. There was lots of tape wear because of the number of tape passes. The heads were also expensive. I have also heard that the 4mm DAT tapes are good for about 100 tape passes, this would seem to mean that weekly backups and verifies might destroy a tape. I know that the tolerance levels are not very good, it seems to be difficult to restore on a drive different than the one that was used to create the tape. Tape standards seems to be much more vague. I remember 800 bpi 9-Track tapes very fondly. I still have several. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> writes: > The seller is a Goodwill picker; a middle-man; at best an > opportunist; at worst a scoundrel. He's selling direct from a > Goodwill shelf in a store somewhere, to you. > > I think this aspect is important to consider in this case. You're looking at the glass as half empty. There are at least three major aspects which you have *not* considered: 1. He came to us, first. 2. Once he found out it was valuable, he didn't take it to E-Bay. 3. Everyone on this list had a fair shot at it. Opportunist? Maybe-- he got lucky and wanted to ca$h in. Good for him. Is that such a crime? If you had a way to sell 'lucky breaks', you'd have folks beating a path to your door. Scoundrel? Only if he misrepresents himself or the merchandise; on this forum, it is best to give him the benefit of the doubt. Alot more than $0.02 but I think it needed saying . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> writes: > Nigeria is like the scam capital of the world. I have no idea why. > Lax laws? Government complicity? A weakened sense of morals? :) Try All of the Above. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Ha Ha Virus is back

by elecdata＠kcinter.net

Evening folks, I just received this evening and it was sent at 7:56pm the Ha Ha Virus is back! I received it from the list this is the heading: Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Hahaha <hahaha(a)sexyfun.net> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: undisclosed-recipients: Bill Claussen elecdata1

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ID computer

by halarewich＠look.ca

at the local salvation army today came across a computer/wordprosser unit made by Cannon called the Cannon Cat any info on this would be most grateful Chris -- # Netscape POP3 State File # This is a generated file! Do not edit.

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OT electron microscope rescue Fwd: TEM-used Philips 301

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:24:10 -0400 >From: Debbie Lietz <dlietz(a)trentu.ca> >Subject: TEM-used Philips 301 >X-Sender: dlietz(a)mail.trentu.ca >To: Microscopy(a)sparc5.microscopy.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The Microscopy ListServer -- Sponsor: The Microscopy Society of America To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- Send Email to ListServer(a)MSA.Microscopy.Com >On-Line Help http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------. > > >I have a Philips 301 microscope that needs a new home. It is in good running condition. There are a lot of spare parts and consumables to go along with the microscope. The mercury pump has been removed. The microscope is presently up and running but will soon need to be dismantled to free up the room for another microscope. If interested please email me directly. >Dismantling and shipping will be at the new owner's expense. > >Debbie Lietz >Electron Microscopy Technologist >Biology Department, Trent University >1600 Westbank Drive >Peterborough, Ontario >K9J 7B8 > >Tel: (705)748-1011 ext.1486 *** Fax: (705) 748-1205 ***Email: dlietz(a)trentu.ca

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What's in a No Name Computer?

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

Anyone know about the No Name Computers (NNC) company? I picked up a 20-slot S-100 mainframe model NNC 100 the other day and I'm not too sure what to make of it since my only S-100 experience is a Heath/Zenith Z-100. Did NNC market computer systems, or just the box of slots? The box has some boards, which were not seated in the slots. From lowest to highest slot number they are: CompuPro INTERFACER 4 CompuPro CPU 8085/88 CompuPro SYSTEM SUPPORT 1 CompuPro RAM20 CompuPro RAM20 CompuPro DISK 1 with 'BOOT CD/M.B' ROM I assume this machine has enough intelligence to boot a floppy, so a bootstrap doesn't have to be keyed in. Do you think it has enough intelligence to differentiate SS/DS and SD/DD drives? I also picked up some 8" floppies, but none of them say No Name Computers! The various labels are: Big Board CP/M, WordStar, SuperCalc, Typing Tutor, Easy Flow, SpellGuard, Vedit, SpellStar, ARC, dBaseII, DataStar, Rainbow BASIC, Rainbow Pascal, Cromemco CDOS, X-8, Turbo Pascal, SIG-M BigBoard, and Mix C. Do any of these seem likely candidates to boot this computer? Any help would be much appreciated! Edwin

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four-phase systems

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

hi, i noticed a message concering four-phase systems equipment. i have been looking for four phase cpu's to complete a system that i am trying to restore. could the person please e-mail me back my address is n8uhn(a)yahoo.com. the photo links do not work as they moved the page but i would still like to see them. thankx,Bill (n8uhn(a)yahoo.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Carlos Murillo wrote: > I remember that there were ISA boards with multiple i860's > offered back then; the idea was to have lots of number-crunching > power in a PC back then. However, I never saw similar The MicroWay NumberSmasher/860 comes to mind. Impressive specs, even by today's standards. I'd love to get my paws on one or more of those. > products based on i960. I believe that the i860 was geared > more towards float processing/embedded control/multi user OS/ > parallel processing architectures and the i960 was strictly for > embedded control, with emphasis on integer performance. > You'll find i960's in many HP laser printers. And many non-HP printers as well. The '960 is also well-suited for non-embedded applications. -Dave McGuire

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IBM 5161

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/23/01 11:26:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Glenatacme(a)aol.com writes: << One of these was in the middle of a big bunch of junk at the shop. Looks like it's got two 5 MB hard drives inside. A large-diameter cable is attached; evidently this connects to the "receiver" card in a PC. This may be distasteful, but I'm thinking of putting it on Ebay. Has anyone ever seen one of these sell before? If so, for how much??? >> that must be one of those famous expansion cabinets. Ive been looking for one myself; I have some parts and cable, but do not have the entire thing. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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Goodwill, Auctions via Listserv, etc...

by mbbrutman＠bresnanlink.net

I've been lurking, but I pipe up once in a while about the smaller iron (like PCjrs). I generally withhold my opinion to avoid wasting bandwidth, but I feel strongly enough about this to want to say something. Spotting something in a secondhand store, asking for help here because you don't know if it is a toaster or a computer, and then using a this listserv to auction it off is in poor taste. This wasn't a "Hey, I found a PCjr to PC keyboard adapter, does anybody need one" kind of question. Somebody made the argument that given the rarity of the item, it is appropriate to auction it. Fine. Auction it on E-Pay, and use their bandwidth and resources. Oh, by the way, it's usually good form to OWN the item you are auctioning. Post a notice here that the item is going up on Ebay if it truly is that interesting. This isn't a "keep it in the family/community" deal, it was more along the lines of "Can I make a buck, and how hard can I squeeze?" My vote for the person who should own it is Louis - he was passionate about it. That's a sign of a good home. ;-) To those of you who entered the bidding; I hope the seller's ethics raised some flags in your heads before you made your bids. I would not buy under these circumstances. Mike

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WARNING. You sent a potential virus or unauthorised code

by support＠star.co.uk

The MessageLabs Virus Control Centre discovered a possible virus or unauthorised code (such as a joke program or trojan) in an email sent by you. Please read this whole email carefully. It explains what has happened to your email, which suspected virus has been caught, and what to do if you need help. ------------------------------------------------------------ Some details about the infected message ------------------------------------------------------------ To help identify the email: The message sender was owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org hahaha(a)sexyfun.net classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (if this is not your email address, the message sender possibly belongs to a mailing list to which you both subscribe.) The message was titled 'Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!' The message date was Wed, 23 May 2001 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) The message identifier was <200105240256.WAA18096(a)granger.mail.mindspring.net> The message recipients were Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com To help identify the virus: Scanner 1 (NAI Virus Scan) reported the following: /var/qmail/queue/split/0/669143_2MA-OCTET-STREAM_dwarf4you.exe Found the W32/Hybris.gen@MM virus !!! The message was diverted into the virus holding pen on mail server server-4.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_990673677) and will be held for 30 days before being destroyed. ------------------------------------------------------------ What should you do now? ------------------------------------------------------------ If you sent the email from a corporate network, you should first contact your local Helpdesk or System Administrator for advice. They will be able to help you disinfect your workstation. If you sent the email from a personal or home account, you will need to disinfect your computer yourself. To do this you will need an anti-virus program. We suggest using one of the leading industry anti-virus packages such as McAfee, F-Secure or Cybersoft, which cost £15-£30 per copy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Getting more help ------------------------------------------------------------ If you believe this message to be a false alarm or you require further assistance, you can email Star Internet Support at:- support(a)star.net.uk or contact Star Helpdesk by telephone on:- +44 (0) 1285 884433 Please quote the following Virus Pen ID when contacting Support. <<< mail server server-4.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_990673677) >>> If replying by email, please forward this entire email. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam

by foo＠siconic.com

I actually know of a guy that FELL for this scam! (not personally, but through my tax accountant ;) --- Tony Eros <tony.eros(a)machm.org> wrote: > Gee, I feel like I've finally arrived. This evening, I received the > infamous Nigerian megabucks scam email (see below) > > Hey, this is a pretty infamous scam -- maybe I can sell this "Rare, > collectable confidence scheme email" on eBay! :-) I've gotten multiple copies via snail mail. :-P Maybe _those_ are "L@@K RARE!"

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Fw: Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Hey!!! Cut the damm RTF formatting, I'm tiring of OE jumpin to the stinking 16pt font. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin .org><marvin@rain To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat > > >Sellam Ismail wrote: >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2001, ip500 wrote: >> >> > And this is BETTER than eBay ??? How is it that this just sort >> > of slides by and yet if you DARE to stick an eBay pointer up you get >> >> If you didn't catch the irony of my message, I find this "auction" to be >> so absurd that I am just laughing at it. > >I, for one, think it is a great idea and have no problems at all with it! >Among other things, it does away with the luck of being the first person to >read a post and get the item. Also, it keeps the item in this community >which is most likely a good thing. > >Another approach is to use the pre-approved bidder list on Ebay, and only >approve people on this list to bid. From my standpoint, that might penalize >the lurkers since *I* would only recognize the people that have posted in >the past. OTOH, it might encourage people to post once in a while :).

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Austin Texas UT Auction

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Whoa! Dude! Now all you need is a 440v 3-phase power and you'll be all set to go! Holy mackerel. . . . On Wed, 23 May 2001 17:25:53 -0500 (CDT) "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)ou.edu> writes: > Quoting Reuben Reyes <reyes(a)orion.ae.utexas.edu>: > > University of Texas at Austin will have an auction > > ... May 23, 2001 > > > > Vax 8600 ( vax bar? ) > > I have *WON* the VAX lot! I'll be taking a Ryder to Austin ASAP to > load it all up. > > -- > Jeffrey S. Sharp > jss(a)ou.edu ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 15:50:02 -0400 ip500 <ip500(a)home.com> writes: > At the risk of being tedious: You didn't get "sniped" ... > someone just bid more than you thought it was worth! With the > proxy bid system.. > IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to get sniped unless they will pay more than > your MAXIMUM allowable bid price .. ie: They just wanted it > more than you did. Hah, what a bunch of bologna. At the time, I'd a bid more; this particular asswipe waited until the final 10 seconds to place his first (and only) bid-- leaving me with no time to post another bid. Had I know he was out there, I'd a done things a little differently. SInce then, I've learned to be an asswipe on e-bay. It's only way you're going to get anything there. I don't post *any* bids until the last 5 seconds or so. There is no such thing as civility or fair play there-- Only winners and losers: You have to be an asswipe if you wanna win. An auction conducted on this list (or at least started here) would be more in keeping with the ideas of civility *and* fair play. More than $0.02 but what the heck . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Xerox daybreak disk formatting question -- looong shot

by pcw＠mesanet.com

I have a couple of daybreak machines with failing hard drives. I have the 6085 offline diagnostic disk (2.0) which will format drives, but to do formatting you need the system admin or tech support password. Does anyone here happen to know one of these passwords? help! Thanks! Peter Wallace

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Any interest in a HP 3000/960?

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>An HP 3000/960 is a *BIG* computer. probably 4' tall, 6' long >and 3' deep (possibly larger) ... *not counting* the disk drives! >Probably introduced around 1988 (roughly). Maybe, I'll get it. It'll make a fine wet bar! Just kidding. I wouldn't mind having it but, Louisania is too far. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Canon Cat

by halarewich＠look.ca

hi I have a bid of $70 us + shipping any others I will keep the bidding open until Sunday at 7pm pacific time thanx chris keep the bids comming Chris hi If there is a enough interest in this Computer I will do a mini auction on this list no ebay if you guys are interested it comes with the compter/monitor the originalcannon printer and a video tape on how to run it and takers I live in Castlegar bc Canada all offers will be accepted in us dollars+ shipping Chris Chandra Bajpai wrote: > Sounds good...let me know. > -Chandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Halarewich [mailto:halarewich@look.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:58 PM > To: Chandra Bajpai > Subject: Re: Canon Cat > > As far as I know yes when I was at the salvation army all I could do was > turn the main computer on type on the screen that still worked but the > printer was becide it and not hooked up so that part I am not sure of > chris > > Chandra Bajpai wrote: > > > Chris - I'll offer you $70...is it still working? > > > > -Chandra > > -- > # Netscape POP3 State File > # This is a generated file! Do not edit. -- # Netscape POP3 State File # This is a generated file! Do not edit.

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Cat auction

by halarewich＠look.ca

Hi Sorry about this I will take it of of the classic list right now and onl email who is interested in it Chris -- # Netscape POP3 State File # This is a generated file! Do not edit.

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Any interest in a HP 3000/960?

by ss＠allegro.com

Seen in comp.sys.hp.mpe: An HP 3000/960 is a *BIG* computer. probably 4' tall, 6' long and 3' deep (possibly larger) ... *not counting* the disk drives! Probably introduced around 1988 (roughly). It runs MPE/iX, and will not run any kind of Linux. (Nor is it worth trying to modify the Puffingroup PA-RISC version.) No...I don't know where it's located! ----------- forwarded message From: Robert.Schlosser(a)OCHSNER-HMO.COM Does anyone have any interest in a HP960 [HP 3000/960] and its disks? Some are HPIB and some are SCSI. It was taken out of service in September of 2000 and all was working. Will consider letting it go for the shipping. Please reply to me directly off the list. Thanks Bob Schlosser Ochsner Health Plan (504) 219-8134 ------- End of forwarded message ------- Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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Old chips for new project.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: rhudson(a)cnonline.net <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> >Are any of the 8 bit processors still available? I would like to scratch build >a z80 or 6502 or somthing board to hook up to my Yes, you should not have much difficulty finding Z80, 8085, 6800 and 6502 (JDR catalog). >vt220 (ob classic??) Yes. >I have **no** hardware experince (well I can solder, but beyond that...) > >Hints?? Learn. ;) Get a few books and read anything and everything. Consider a kit or maybe a PIC. Allison

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VAX Equipment

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

David, If nobody steps up to the plate I'd pick them up. I work in Hudson NH so I'm maybe 20 minutes down the road. We could meet. Allison ------Original Message------ From: "David Betz" <dbetz(a)vmlabs.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: May 23, 2001 4:49:32 PM GMT Subject: VAX Equipment I would like to find a good home for the following equipment. I'm not interested in making money off of this equipment but I don't want to have to pack it for shipping either. I would like someone to come by and pick it up or arrange for a place to meet somewhere near where I live. I'm in southern New Hampshire near Manchester. 1. VAXStation II/GPX (VS21W-K2) 2. VAXStation 2000 (VS410-AA) 3. External Hard Drive (RZ55-AA) 4. External Tape Drive (TK50Z-GA) Anyone interested in this stuff?

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VAX Equipment

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/23/01 12:47:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dbetz(a)vmlabs.com writes: > I would like to find a good home for the following equipment. I'm not > interested in making money off of this equipment but I don't want to have to > pack it for shipping either. I would like someone to come by and pick it up > or arrange for a place to meet somewhere near where I live. I'm in southern > New Hampshire near Manchester. > > 1. VAXStation II/GPX (VS21W-K2) > > 2. VAXStation 2000 (VS410-AA) > > 3. External Hard Drive (RZ55-AA) > > 4. External Tape Drive (TK50Z-GA) > > Anyone interested in this stuff? > Me Absolutely! Just let me know! I have been looking for a bigger VAX for months and couldn't seem to find any in the US on the east coast that I could get to. I'll give 'em a nice home right next to my VS3100m38 :-) BTW, just out of curiosity, what OS are they currently running? -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Exidy Sorcerer

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Besides, the UK doesn't seem all that well off according to what I've read. UK ground is not the same as continental earth. I think it's got to do with the lines being earthed at the station, whereas the continental earth lead goes to UK mains earth is bonded to the neutral and to the earth spike at the local transformer. It should also be bonded to earth at the property and, if the run from the tramsformer to the property is a long one, it will have more earth points along the way (PME - protective multiple earth). A bit safer than a rod in the ground here and one way over there. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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