- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Jim Battle wrote: > >Yes. Was slow too ;-) > > Hey, now. I've actually used an i860. A 3D graphics terminal I worked on > in 91-93 used two: one for the control processor, one for the geometry unit Yeahh...the '860 is one hell of a number cruncher. Another place to find '860 chips is in SGI hardware. The RealityEngine video system uses eight i860s, and the RealityEngine^2 uses twelve of them. In each case they're used for geometric transforms. > I agree, intel has one butt-ugly architecture with the x86, but nobody in > their right minds can fault them for succeeding despite that. Given the > fact that they must live with the ugliness, their implementations are first > rate. ...and what blows my mind is the fact that, of all of their architectures, the one most unbelievably disgusting one is the one they keep selling buttloads of. -Dave McGuire

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Mildly OT : HP9x (Topcat) chargers

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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VAX Equipment

by dbetz＠vmlabs.com

I would like to find a good home for the following equipment. I'm not interested in making money off of this equipment but I don't want to have to pack it for shipping either. I would like someone to come by and pick it up or arrange for a place to meet somewhere near where I live. I'm in southern New Hampshire near Manchester. 1. VAXStation II/GPX (VS21W-K2) 2. VAXStation 2000 (VS410-AA) 3. External Hard Drive (RZ55-AA) 4. External Tape Drive (TK50Z-GA) Anyone interested in this stuff?

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Claim status on Female MMJ to 25pin male adapter.

by jpero＠sympatico.ca

Hi Everyone, A person have laid their hand on that adapter and I'm waiting for deal to go through so please wait for updates. Seems everybody is lazy over the weekend or busy with holidays. Anyway, enjoy your break! Cheers, Wizard

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IBM 3290 2 questions

by glinder＠ews.uiuc.edu

I was recently climbing around in a dumpster, and pulled out two IBM 3290 plasma display terminals. Accordingt to what I can find online, they are a beefy sort of 3270 terminal that supports split screen and other stuff. Because I don't have any IBM equipment to hook it up to, and I really want to see something pretty on the display, is there any other way to get these to speak to anything except over the BNC which is on the bottom of the screen? I have not actually powered either one of them up yet- They rode back to my house in the back of an open-back pickup truck, so I took them apart and am letting them dry out before I even try. They are built typical IBM-tough, and I kind of like the looks of them. They appear toe be about 19" diagonal, and they each weigh close to 40 pounds. The back comes off with these simple little springy clamp things, and the electronics iniside are pretty cool looking. Can anybody point me to any technical info on these bad boys? They look really cool. Thank you, Greg Linder glinder(a)ews.uiuc.edu glinder(a)uiuc.edu

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Synertek KTM-3/80 -- 2 questions

by elf＠ucsd.edu

Hi, I recently made a trade in which I received a KTM-3/80 terminal (thanks Claude W. !) Questions: (1) Does anyone know what the power requirement is? Claude mentioned he tried a 9V AC, 1.5A or 2A power supply - and the terminal produced "garbled" characters on the screen. It was not determined if this was due to an improper power level being supplied - or due to some problem with the terminal itself. (My circuit analyzing skills leave much to be desired.) 2) Upon opening the terminal, at one point someone had added a daughter card. It is of the homespun type, not a commercially sold option. The daughter card has a total of 8 chips on it, which are: N7400A SN74LS393N 74LS04PC SN74LS133N SN74LS02N 74LS04PC It has been so long since I used this terminal - I don't recall if there was some particular feature missing that would have been nice to add. Thanks for any/all info ... Eric F.

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Core Memory ID

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

That would be a 4K x 12 bit core stack, fits 8/I, various other negi/posibus 12 bitters as well, I believe. Definetly works with 8/I's. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Core Memory ID

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

It's a standard DEC PDP-8 core plane that was many be one of many subcontractors. However if it's 5 boards it's an older non Omnibus PDP-8. The standard 8/e/f/m omnibus memory is three cards with an over the top connector set. One of the boards would be G111. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> >I was looking around my box of old boards and >found a core memory set I've had since about >'84. It was a leftover from an old system >that had been surplussed. I think the system >was a PDP-8 of some sort, but I don't know for >sure. The memory set consists of a SENSE board >and an INHIBIT board connected to the sandwich >layer of five board containing th core. There >is a label with the following: > >EM electronic memories >a division of electronic memories & magnetics corporation > > 4KX12 CORE MEMORY STACK > 270321 47071MW > >P/N 906819-A04 S/N xxxxx >C/N TS906819A D/C 5272 > >There is an actual serial number, but the first >digit is torn. > >The plastic strain relief strips and the card edge >handles both have "DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION" >and "MAYNARD, MASSACHUSETTS" on them. The handles >also has "W025" on them. > >Is this a PDP-8 board, and was it an OEM part >supplied to DEC or from DEC? >-- >Eric Dittman >dittman(a)dittman.net

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Tektronix 4105 terminal

by chomko＠greenbelt.com

Is anyone interested in such a thing? I have the screen (no keyboard) portion of the terminal. My undesrtanding is that the terminals were hi-res graphics terminals (for the time) and quite expensive. The unit is quite heavy, and it is taking up space. I figured I'd try and eBay it if I had the keyboard, but since I don't I figured I ask here. Eric

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2.11BSD on PDP-11/53

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Engdahl <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> >At boot-up, right after it tells me about how much memory I have, it starts spitting gibberish. If I tell Kermit (my console) to switch to 7 bits even parity, I can read stuff again. It appears that the OS is changing the line parameters. Does this make sense? If so, where do I find the file with this config in it? I grepped for "stty" in / and /etc but didn't find anything useful looking. Yes, unix likes to do that. Very annoying as that is not the standard for most DEC configs. My V7 system also does that. >I still can boot RT-11 from the floppy, but when I try to boot UNIX from the hard drive it halts. I did "dd if=/mdec/rauboot of=/dev/ra0a count=1" per Steve Schultz's instructions, but it still won't boot. I can download Warren's boot.dd via VTserver, and type "ra(0,0,0)unix", and UNIX starts right up, so the only problem is the boot sector. It used to boot RT-11 >from hard drive fine, before I clobbered it with UNIX. The only catch is that I have to toggle HALT and say "171000G" (there's a boot ROM on the disk controller) because the CPU boot ROMs at 173000 are some goofy DECserver stuff. Any ideas? Same problem, I have to boot foreign from RT11. I'd say their boot doesnt fit the expected pattern for PDP-11 (microPDP-11) boot block. >I need a way to download the rest of the UNIX tar files over the console line. VTserver's documentation sort of stops after booting up the root image. Where do I go from here? Is there some built-in way of using a serial line driver like a tape, such as "tar xvf /dev/tty"? Same problem. You need to send a binary file over a 7bit serial line. Allison

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Core Memory ID

by dittman＠dittman.net

I was looking around my box of old boards and found a core memory set I've had since about '84. It was a leftover from an old system that had been surplussed. I think the system was a PDP-8 of some sort, but I don't know for sure. The memory set consists of a SENSE board and an INHIBIT board connected to the sandwich layer of five board containing th core. There is a label with the following: EM electronic memories a division of electronic memories & magnetics corporation 4KX12 CORE MEMORY STACK 270321 47071MW P/N 906819-A04 S/N xxxxx C/N TS906819A D/C 5272 There is an actual serial number, but the first digit is torn. The plastic strain relief strips and the card edge handles both have "DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION" and "MAYNARD, MASSACHUSETTS" on them. The handles also has "W025" on them. Is this a PDP-8 board, and was it an OEM part supplied to DEC or from DEC? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Microwave oven collectors?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

FIrstly a word of warning. A microwave oven is by far the most dangerous thing you're ever likely to work on. The power supply can provide about 4kV at a significant fraction of an amp. This will kill you if you touch it. Not 'might kill you', but 'will kill you'. It is a _lot_ more dangerous than the EHT supply in a monitor or TV, for example. It doesn't hurt as much as a 27KV CRT EHT, or the 5KV (20A) sub mod supply. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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identify this cable?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've spent part of this afternoon sorting through my collection of cable, discarding (to my wife's amazement, and very likely to my future regret) things I have too much of (5m lengths of CW1308 phone cable) or will never need (very short lengths of ribbon cable, twinflex, 3-core -- why did I keep *them*?) I've found a DEC cable I can't identify. It's labelled BC99J, and consists of a 40-pin Berg connected to about 2m of black multicore, which goes into a rectangular potted box, about 6" x 3" and about 0.5" thick. Out of the other side of the box is about 4m of the same black multicore, with the end cut off. The label is date-stamped 12/6/78. Anyone know what this is/was? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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destinking the computers.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

The problem trying to remove the odor of cigarette smoke is that nicotine is not water soluble. I once cleaned our families smoke eater with kerosene to remove the nicotine from the electrostatic plates. I don't remember the name but there is a cleaner used on electronics that's made from orange peels. pointer to degreaser made from citrus peels http://www.dep.state.fl.us/dwm/programs/p2/factsheets/6terpene.pdf More information about commercial product. http://www.ecki.com/vst/prdt487.htm Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Electronic mail from Mike McFadden at The Children's Mercy Hospital, mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu. This communication is intended only for the use of the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or the agent of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify The Children's Mercy Hospital at 816-234-3454 or via return Internet electronic mail at mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu and expunge this communication without making any copies. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Manuals :Surplus Re: UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:54 PM 5/25/01 -0400, joe wrote: > Shoot! Usually they just pull and trash the hard drive :-( I don't know what happens to the books but it's rare to get manuals with ANYTHING that gets surplused. I've heard rumors that because of copyright laws (or some othe lame reason) they can't "re-sell" the manuals and have to destroy them. Does anyone know what the exact reason is? Yes, it's the software licenses. As a blanket policy to protect themselves from lawsuits, no doubt, all the docs and software is trashed. (I haven't found that Dumpster yet.) They sell PCs but without operating systems. This is a rotten situation all around. Instead of encouraging people to recognize that software is intellectual property that can be bought and sold, it encourages them to find the pirate brother-in-law who can fix up this computer for them in an evening. - John

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Apollo DNxx00 mouse?

by hans＠Huebner.ORG

Hi there, I've recently been given an Apollo DN 5500 (*) system which is lacking a mouse. The keyboard does have a DB9F connector, but I suspect that I need some special mouse. Can anyone tell me if and where I could get such a beast? Thanks, Hans (*) The type label of the machine says "Domain Series 4000", but the machine has a 68040, so I suspect that it is a DN5500. Please correct me if I'm wrong. -- finger hans(a)huebner.org for details

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 21:20, Megan wrote: > I also filled in the on-line form (quite some time ago) and have > yet to hear from them... I filled it in about 2 weeks ago, when I saw it allowed overseas members, and got a reply a few days ago to say I wasn't eligible (not for basic membership, anyway). So someone does read them, they just take a while to do anything (just over a week in my case). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC TK50Z-FA to -GA

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 15:24, Don Maslin wrote: > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > I have a puzzle. [...] what ROM goes with 23-116E5 to make the pair? > Based on the numbering sequence of other pairs (and beyond), it > should be either 23-115E5 or 23-117E5. But that is not too much help, > is it? No, that's the problem :-) DEC sometimes used odd/even numbers and someties even/odd, so I can't tell. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 08:19 AM 5/25/01 -0400, joe wrote: >>The prblem with school equipment is the disposals policy. As they are bought >>with public money the requirements for disposal are very strict. In my area >>the policy is: >> >>1) Offer to other departments >>2) Offer to other schools >>3) Offer to other local authority departments >>4) Offer to charitable institutions >>5) Offer to staff > > The policy in the US is the same except there's no **requirement** to offer the stuff to the staff. Although mandy places do. And here, they're required to erase all software, and apparently any docs or disks also get chucked before the item is put up for surplus sale. - John

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by mbg＠world.std.com

I also filled in the on-line form (quite some time ago) and have yet to hear from them... Megan

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ADM style (and Lynwood and MICROSCRIBE) [was: ADM = ?]

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hey, I *like* the TeleVideo 910 much more.. Better color choice, I think. Not to mention its a damn sight more reliable : ) But my favorite all-in-one terminal has to be the cute little TeleVideo that also has a phone built into it (at least that seems right). I'm still kicking myself for the clean-up we did when was 17 and not interested in old computers yet.. pitched 4 of em, and 2 of those Televideo PCs, and all kinds of god-knows-what else.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Eric Dittman wrote: > I see ADM3A terminals all the time, in computer stores. > They are funny colored now, and have a detached keyboard, > and don't work the same. For some reason they are called > iMacs now. *snicker* I almost bought an iMac when they came out just so I could put it on a desk next to my ADM-5. :) -Dave McGuire

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Anybody need manual for Ampex 219 terminal?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I have an operations manual for an Ampex model 219 terminal. Does anyone need this? Free for the cost of shipping... -Dave McGuire

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Fwd: Just relisted DATA GENERAL DG Mdl 10 Computer System.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, Here is a Data General modle 10 that I just for sale on E-bay. The owner says that it has a dead CPU but it looks VERY complete and includes the original software disks and manuals. It also has four terminals with it. It looks like a nice item for a DEC collector (I'm not.) If someone buys it and wants to try and get it running again I also have a model 10 that I'll sell that you can use for parts. I don't know if mine works but it looks complete except for the hard drive is missing. Joe >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:56:07 -0400 >From: "Signet Creative, Inc." <sctalent(a)mediaone.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >Subject: Just relisted DATA GENERAL DG Mdl 10 Computer System. > >Joe, > >We just relisted our Data General Desktop Model 10 computer >system. Here's the link to it: > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1240936666>eBay > item 1240936666 (Ends Jun-04-01 09:49:46 PDT) - DATA GENERAL DG Mdl 10 > System x 4 REDUCED! NR > >It's eBay item number 1240936666. I really appreciate your offer of >passing it along to others on your mailing list. As I mentioned, the >prices have been reduced. > >Thanks again, > >Doug Rossire >Signet Creative, Inc. (dadmr) >sctalent(a)mediaone.net > > >joe wrote: >>Doug, >> >>At 11:53 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote: >> >Joe, >> > >> >It sounds like a good plan for someone, but I'm just not technically >> >oriented that way. The fix on ours might actually be a very minor thing, >> >we've just never investigated it at all. Thanks for the offer, though. >> > >> >I'm going to be relisting the computer starting this Thursday or Friday >> >with an opening bid of $150, a "Buy It Now" of $250, and again, no >> >reserve. I'm trying to get it down to where we clear something after the >> >shipping charges, depending on where it ends up going. Hopefully, someone >> >in a situation like yours will see it as an opportunity to end up with a >> >system that's more valuable. >> >> Let me know when you re-list it. I'm on a mailing list of people that >>collect old computers. I'll send out a notice about your system. Someone >>should be interested. For me personally, I'm tempted but I allready have >>too many old computers. >> >> > We heard from a museum in Germany that was very interested, but the >> > shipping charges would be about $800! >> >> Ouch! That sounds awefully high. Is that with USPS surface >>shipping? I guess the terminals really add to the weight. >> >> Good Luck, I hope you find it a good home. It's rare to find one as >>complete as yours. >> >> Joe >> >> >Thanks for writing. >> > >> >Doug Rossire >> >Signet Creative, Inc. (dadmr) >> >sctalent(a)mediaone.net >> > >> > >> >rigdonj(a)intellistar.net wrote: >> > >> > > To member: dadmr >> > > >From member: rigdonj(a)intellistar.net >> > > >> > > -------------------- >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I saw your auction for the model 10. That's a nice setup that you >> > have, too bad it doesn't work. However I also have a model 10 but not >> > software or docs for it and I don't plan on trying to restore it so it >> > occured to me that you might be interewsted in it for parts to fix your's >> > with. If you're interested you can contact me at rigdonj(a)intellistar.net. >> > > >> > > Joe

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DEC TK50Z-FA to -GA

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 16:07, Rod Young wrote: > > [ Attachment (multipart/alternative): 1805 bytes ] > Does anyone have the necessary ?ROMs? to upgrade a DEC TK50Z-FA tape > drive to the TK50Z-GA? Or perhaps a dead TK50Z-GA that you might > consider parting with the ROMs?? It's one EPROM, number 23-261E6. It's a 27C256. Still on the subject of DEC ROMs, as some list members know, I keep images of the ones from boards I have, "just in case", and I have a puzzle. What are 23-398E4 and 23-399E4 from? And another: what ROM goes with 23-116E5 to make the pair? And for the sake of completeness (of a sort) here's a list of ROMs (images) I'm looking for: 23-031E2 VT100 terminal ROM 23-051L1 TQK50 Rev.D1 E3 ROM 23-094E2 VT100 extra chargen 23-095E2 VT100 extra chargen 23-096E2 VT100 extra chargen 23-097E2 VT132 extra chargen 23-098E2 VT132 extra chargen 23-116E5 KDJ-11B (PDP11/73+) boot Version 7 23-116E5 KDJ-11B (PDP11/73+) boot Version 7 [one of the last two lines is obviously a misprint, see above] 23-139E2 VT100 terminal board ROM 23-140E2 VT100 terminal board ROM 23-158E4 early KDF11-BE boot ROMs 23-159E4 early KDF11-BE boot ROMs 23-170E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.1 23-171E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.1 23-178E5 RQDX2 T-11 code, issue 1 (V10.0D) 23-179E5 RQDX2 T-11 code, issue 1 (V10.0D) 23-180E2 VT132 terminal board ROM 23-180E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.2 (C1) 23-181E2 VT132 terminal board 23-181E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.2 (C1) 23-183E2 VT132 terminal board 23-216E5 RQDX3 T-11 code issue 1 23-217E5 RQDX3 T-11 code issue 1 23-238E4 KDF11-BE (?PDP11) Boot 23-239E4 KDF11-BE (?PDP11) Boot 23-380E4 KDF11-BG (uPDP11/23) boot 23-381E4 KDF11-BG (uPDP11/23) boot 23-451E4 DELUA ROMs 23-452E4 DELUA ROMs -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC TK50Z-FA to -GA

by rod.young＠wd.gc.ca

Does anyone have the necessary ?ROMs? to upgrade a DEC TK50Z-FA tape drive to the TK50Z-GA? Or perhaps a dead TK50Z-GA that you might consider parting with the ROMs?? The -FA model apparently *only* works on the MicroVAX 2000, and I'd like to connect and use this drive on my Vaxstation 3100/76 SPX. On a similar note, I'm also looking for the 68pin - 50pin external SCSI cable to connect the MicroVAX to an external SCSI device. thanks rod rod.young(a)wd.gc.ca

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>Your ID number would be on your DECUS or whatever they're calling it >now card. You have to be a member of Decus (free) to get the licences. I filled out the online form to renew my membership but haven't heard anything back. It's been said that they are going through a few changes so I figured I'd give them a little while. Jeff

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam( ship trivia )

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Actuall Nigeria is not a big country for ship registration A "Flag Of Convenience" (FOC) ship is a ship where the nationality of the owner is different from the country in which the ship is registered. Countries that offer registration of ships owned by foreign interests are considered to have what is called an "open register". Foreign owned ships dominate the flags of "open register" countries. The modern origin of open registries can be traced back to the 1920s, when the United Fruit Company created the Honduran open registry to ensure the cheap and reliable transport of its bananas. The Panamanian open registry came about soon after that because U.S. flagged passenger ships wanted to serve liquor during Prohibition. The Liberian open register came about during the "Cold War" because the U.S. wanted a fleet of "neutral" ships to haul its cargo, mostly oil. Some times it is even hard to trace down the real owners a FOC ship. Often in the register country the address for the ship owners will only be a Post Office Box. From there you must follow a series of front companies, often in different countries, before you end up finding the real owners of a FOC ship. Many large American shipping lines like the American President Lines are leaving U.S. flags and are becoming FOC ships. In 1998 there were 28 open register countries of FOC ships and 19,270 vessels over 100 gt, which comes to 22.5% of the world's fleet and in that year there was a 8.5% increases in FOC ships. Of the top 35 maritime countries based on real ownership of vessels not one of them is an open register country. For example, the true nationality of ownership of ships from Greece that are part of open register fleets (percentage of open register fleets) are as follows: Liberia 12.4%, Panama 11.1%, Cyprus 72.6%, Bahamas 19.0% and Malta 56.3%. Of the top six fleets of gross tonnage in 1998, five of the are open registers for FOC ships; Panama (6,188 vessels), Liberia (1,697 vessels), Bahamas (1,221 vessels), Cyprus (1,650) and Malta (1,378). The U.S. fleet ranks 11th in gross tonnage. . Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Antigen found W32/Hybris-B virus

by ANTIGEN_EXCHANGE-SMTP＠cmh.edu

Antigen for Exchange found dwarf4you.exe infected with W32/Hybris-B virus. The file is currently Deleted. The message, "classiccmp-digest V1 #609", was sent from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org (classiccmp-digest) and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound located at CMHMAIL/CMHMAIL/EXCHANGE-SMTP.

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Hazeltine

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Oops, I meant to say Hazeltine 2000, not 1500... Sorry! I have all the manuals for one, and that's what made it such a neat terminal to me, especially the cardcage of 20 or so boards... Gawd, I'd love to have one.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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What was the last ADM?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Just out of curiosity, what was their last model? The latest that I know of was the ADM-11+, I had a dead one of those once. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by norm.anheier＠pnl.gov

I wanted to thank all that replied to my inquiry regarding Intel's iAPX-432 processor. It seems the main consensus is that Intel never released this product. If anyone has information to the contrary please speak up, otherwise I'll drop this from my collection list. Thanks again Norm

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ANN: SYM Manuals posted

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Someone from Italy has been scanning the manual set for the SYM-1 board. I've posted the PDFs to my Web site. Enjoy. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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ADM= ?

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Async Display Monitor? Just a Guess The ADM-2 Service Manual I have decribes "ADM ready" lines #6 & #8 on the serial printer interface option. Sept 25 1974. 1920 8-bit words stored ADM - 2 Interactive Display Terminal. Lear Siegler Inc. 714 N. Brookhurst St Anahiem, CA 92803 Larry Truthan truthanl(a)oclc.org Digest Subscriber.

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ID this board: M7165

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 25, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > It's useless without the other board, and they're both useless if > > you don't want to run RA-series disks. Contrary to popular belief, > > not all RA-series disks are huge (14" platters) and power hungry. I > > have a stack of 1GB 5.25" RA73 disks that are rather nice. > > > > True, but another thing to remember is that the KDA-50 itself is a > power hog. It will not work just stuffed into an existing BA23 (or > even a BA123, I think). The only one I have running is in a sepparate > box with it's own power supply. And yes, I tried putting one in a > MVAX-II in a BA23 before I knew this and while it did no permanent > damage, it definitely didn't work and kept the box from even starting. Hmm...weird. I've run two or three of them in BA23s with the rest of their systems. Guess I was lucky. > Boy could I use some of those disks, though. I have RA80's, RA81's > and Fuji Eagles. I run them on both of my Ultrix machines, a VAX and > a PDP-11. Deals can be made... :) -Dave McGuire

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Mesa PrincOps Manual

by aek＠spies.com

> I've been after a copy of this manual for *ages*, does anyone have a copy? since wildflower is down right now, I've put a copy here http://www.spies.com/~aek/MesaPrincOps/00xPrincOps.html > Does anyone know what happened to the Wildflower site? I don't think the hardware survived one or more of Alan's office moves.

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > I almost bought an iMac when they came out just so I could put it on a > > desk next to my ADM-5. :) > > You guys know the rumor behind the design of the iMac, right? Eh? -Dave McGuire

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, Got my OpenVMS hobbyist media kit (= one CD) today in the mail. Still don't have any good idea what my id number (sic?) is or whether I have one - have never gotten any email at all related to OpenVMS from Montagar or Compaq. Guess I'll call next week to try to find out. Anyway, a positive data point for anyone still waiting for one. - Mark

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ID this board: M7165

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Jonathan Engdahl wrote: > It looks like what you have here is 1/2 of an SDI adapter. Yup. > Now the next question: what is SDI? I'll assume for now that is was an early > approximation to SCSI, something proprietary to DEC. It has *nothing* to do with SCSI. SDI is a relatively high-performance (amazing for its day) high-level command-based interface that is used to connect to DEC RA-seris drives. It uses small cables that contain four pieces of 1/8" coaxial cable that terminate in an 8-pin Berg-like connector. It's useless without the other board, and they're both useless if you don't want to run RA-series disks. Contrary to popular belief, not all RA-series disks are huge (14" platters) and power hungry. I have a stack of 1GB 5.25" RA73 disks that are rather nice. -Dave McGuire

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The MESA processor architecture

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> One of the Alto instruction sets was an extended Nova. The MESA machine > is more like an HP3000 than a Nova. It is defined in the MESA "Princeops" > manual. Alan Freier had this on line at one point, not sure if anyone > saved a copy. I've been after a copy of this manual for *ages*, does anyone have a copy? Does anyone know what happened to the Wildflower site? I've tried mailing Alan Freier a couple of times but not had a reply. al

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by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> OTOH, usability folks would probably say that the functions of the > function keys should always be the same anyway. For most apps > that's probably true. Yeah, just ask the RAF's fighter controllers...

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Osborne Executive

by zmerch＠30below.com

This is forwarded (by request) from my Tandy Model 100 mailing list [m100(a)list.30below.com]. Please respond to the original poster, not me [he's not yet a member of this list]... Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger >I just bought an Osborne Executive in great shape. I always wanted one! It >came with these manuals: > >- Volume 0 - Beginners Guide >- Volume 1 - Mastering the Osborne Executive >- Volume 2 - Working with text and Spreadsheets >- Volume 3 - Managing information with Personal Pearl >- Volume 4 - Operating System >- Reference Guide Binder with tabs for WordStar, SuperCalc, CP/M Plus, CBASIC >and MS BASIC. > >Does anyone here on the Model 100 listserv know if these ALL the manuals that >came with a new Osborne Executive? > >Also, unfortunately, it came with 4 non-original, non-labeled disks. It is not >clear to me what is on the 4 disks or the logic of them since I'm new to CP/M. >I know that WordStar and some CP/M Plus are on those disks. But I don't believe >I have SuperCalc, CBASIC, MS BASIC or Personal Pearl. I'm not even sure I have >the full WordStar and CP/M Plus. > >So I'm looking to get an exact copy of the original disk set that came with the >Osborne Executive. Also, I though it would be cool to get a picture of the >disks' labels so I can re-create them. > >Can you help? Is there a file list by disk somewhere? > >I'm assuming the bundled software included: > >- CP/M Plus >- WordStar >- SuperCalc >- Personal Pearl >- CBASIC >- MS BASIC > >Thanks a bunch. > >Chris >Chris_Feeney(a)hillenbrand.com -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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VAX bar

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

http://toyvax.tucson.az.us/~vance/vaxbar.html -Philip

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ADM = ?

by elf＠ucsd.edu

A search of terms (from archived material of comp.terminals & alt.folklore.computers, et al.) reveals nothing definitive: Archer Daniels Midland American Dream Machine Advanced Display Module A Display Monitor Advanced Data Manager Awful Dumb Monitor Absurdly Dense Minicomputer A Devil in Masquerade ...any former LSI employees out there to help solve this mystery? I've always felt this statement, printed in the ADM-3a manual, has only added to the "classic" factor of these baby-blue CRTs: Note: Lear Siegler does not service ADM-3A kits. If service or technical assistance is needed, your local Dumb Terminal Dealer should be contacted. :) Eric Will Jennings had previously stated: > I still prefer what my dad calls it: A Dumb Machine. I don't see why people > pay so much for those things, they're not even very good terminals.

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Will Jennings wrote: > No, I was meaning why do they go for so much now.. They're certainly not > rare or for that matter, reliable. Not to mention that I find them ugly, > ugly, ugly! But that last part was opinion.. Still, if you need a terminal > today, get like a wyse-55 or something. Not rare? They're pretty rare from where I'm sitting. Not to be argumentative, but I've seen ONE (an ADM-5, now in my basement) in all my travels in about the past ten years. -Dave McGuire

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by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I used them myself for the two years I went to college (the school had a PDP-11/70 I think). As for speed, have you ever looked inside one of these things? Late one nite, I had nothing better to do than poke around stuff in the computer lab; indide I found one *big* board, covered with what I think was TTL. No uP, all random logic, *no* processing overhead. Talk about 'real time' . . . .. On Thu, 24 May 2001 13:37:20 -0500 Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> writes: > At the time, they were fairly cheap in comparison to other "more > intelligent" > terminals, and they were one of the few which could keep up at a > full serial > line rate without handshaking. I worked at Purdue University's > Engineering > Computer Network back in the early 80's and we used then for that > reason. Most > ran at either 9600 or 19200, but we modified a few to run at 38400 > and they > could keep up with that speed as well... > > --tom ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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i432, i860, i960 (was: Re: Wanted: iAPX-432)

by ken＠seefried.com

So much silliness... 1) The iAPX-432 was released, and I've seen them in the wild. Why they don't own the computing world has been hashed to death but more articulate folks than I. They even show up from time to time on (horror, much gnashing of teeth, devil incarnate) eBay. You, of course, blaspheme against the Classiccmp gods if you ever look for one there, so we shouldn't even mention it... 2) The i860 was a fascinating little chip, but in a train wreck sort of way. In other words "it is horrible, and yet I cannot look away". The compiler was miserable, the doco insufficient, but if you had a wonk that really understood the beast, and had a single algorithm that you wanted to implement, you could achieve magic. Many graphics processors worked this magic. 3) The i960 was originally worked up for a next generation Intel mainstream processor. It's definition included MMUs, etc., and it ended up in one of Intels' supercomputers. Never quite worked out that way they hoped, though, so the MMUs got deleted and the i960 found new life as an embedded processor. There are a vast number of i960s out there in printers, network card, RAID controllers, etc. 4) XTerminals. Nice toys. Contrary to one posters opinion, there was an Xterm built around *everyones* processor, not just i960. I know of XTerminals based on VAX, 34010/34020, 680[0234]0, MIPS, 88000, i960, i860 & i80[2345]86. They aren't exactly rocket science. Ken

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'cross computer movers referrals

by mranalog＠home.com

"Bruce Ray" <bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com> said > moving companies moving RETMA-racked equipment. Are these really pre-1957 racks or is that a phrase of habit? Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Will Jennings wrote: > Now give me a Hazeltine 1500, and I'm interested : ) I've been looking for one of those for a while. I used one on my imsai box years ago; I'd like to have one around for posterity. -Dave McGuire

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88RTC Docs

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I am looking for docs on the MITS 88RTC real-time clock board so that I can add support for it in the Altair32 emulator. If anyone has a copy they can scan for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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