- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Anyone on-list running an 11/45? Intercepted these dumpster-bound goodies. As before, you pay postage. (also listed some printer docs left over from last weeks giveaway) - KT11-C memory management unit manual - KT11-C engineering drawings - KB11-A (11/45) CPU Maint. Manual - PDP11/45 system engineering drawings - LPV11 (M8027) Printer I/F users manual - LPV11-V (M8027) Field Maint. Print Set - LP11 line printer manual - LP11/LS11/LA11 line printer manual - Dataproducts 2230 (LP05) Tech manual - Dataproducts 2230 Logic Diagrams Enjoy, ..... nick o

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by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/8/01 10:35:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jss(a)ou.edu writes: > > (3) They may just assume you are running a business, and your only > violation would be having a business in a residential zone. That > should be easy to disprove. > AFAIAC According to general US law *they* would have to *prove* that you *are* running a business. You do't have to prove you are not. By the way, as mentioned before I would have them both prosecuted for tresspassing and invasion of privacy. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Geez...just when you think you've heard it all. This is taking those neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the neighbor has too much time on their hands. Good luck getting it worked out Mike. Jeff >I am so steamed right now, buried in my junk mail I just found a letter >from the city of Orange where I live. (peoples republic of California) > >Notice of violation and order to comply >* Storage of computer and parts in the residential area > >Apparently some neighbor had a inspector come over and peek in my windows >last week, and sure enough I do have a few computers stacked around right >now. The gist of the complaint is that while I comply with all the noise, >parking, etc. they want me to have a "Home Occupation Business License" and >restrict my storage to 500 cubic feet in an enclosed garage. > >Now I guess I have to agree the home is occupied with computers, but my >first reaction is that it is strictly a hobby, no business activity goes on >at all. Before I say anything though I am going to go and read Orange >Municipal Code 17.14.050(H) in the morning. > >I love the arrogance of these people too, giving me 14 days to comply. My >guess is that at best this will be a big PITA, since it kind of hamstrings >me, if I sell off a bunch of stuff, then I am a business, but if I don't >then I may be looking at endless harassment.

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Overland 9 track

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Does anyone have any docs or software on the Overland Data model OD3201 9-track? It has what I beleive a Serial and a Pertec interface. It does 1600 and 3200 BPI. A quick Internet search came up dry. Thanks, Brian.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Or in California where the damned ground won't hold still . . .:^) > > Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly > roiling land mass is silly. > > When you consider that the east coast has on average at least one > hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating > one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and > the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll > take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that > nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot). I would say that good thing there's a place for everyone, but I'll probably never find a mix of weather, economy, and culture I can really live with. For weather, I want winters with three months continual snow cover; I want the economy of the Midwest, were I live, and the culture of New York City. Oh, and proximity to gobs and gobs of Classic Computers... -dq

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by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

You might think that living in a rural area with 5 acres of woodland around you would protect you from this kind of crud, but don't hold your breath.... There's still the insurance company to deal with. My adventure started when a tree took out my front porch during a storm. I made the dreaded mistake of actually trying to _use_ the policy that I had been paying on for 8 years. The company paid up, but a month later I received a letter from the insurance company informing me that my policy was being canceled due to the use of my home as a "storage facility". I argued with the company for a bit and got them to agree to re-evaluate there decision. What they did was to send out a wet-behind-the-ears inspector who then proceeded to tell me that the company _might_ re-instate my policy if I (1) replaced my roof (it was fine, by the way), (2) re-side my house with vinyl (3) Remove the 2 lawn mowers from my yard (remember, I live in the middle of 5 acres of woodland with no neighbors and a 1200 foot dirt driveway) and worst of all, remove all the (and I quote) "Useless electronic junk" from my home. I asked him what he considered acceptable, and he responded with all the rightous arrogance that only the very young and newly powerful can have that one, or at the most two computers would be acceptable, as long as they were small desktops. Needless to say, I asked him to leave. The story does have a happy ending though. I contacted the insurance company one last time and told them that I was going to complain to the state insurance commisioner. They told me to go ahead... the insurance comissioner never forced them to recend any of their decisions, and was merely a "rubber-stamp" organization. I then proceeded to call the insurance commisioners office. While talking to the nice lady on the phone, I repeated verbatim what the insurance company official had said to me. The conversation went like this: "She said WHAT about us?" <I repeated the insurance company's statements> "Oh really?... And what was her name" <I provided the details> "Hmm... well, they might feel that way, but I ASSURE you that we are NOT a rubber-stamp organization..." A few days later I received a letter from the Insurance Commisioner's office stating that my Insurance company had illegally cancelled my policy and had been ordered to re-instate it. (This seemed to amaze my independent insurance agent... I guess it was a pretty rare occurance) Needless to say, as soon as the policy was re-instated I cancelled it myself and changed to another company, but At least I got some satisfaction out of the mess. Moral of the story... If a tree falls in the forest on your deck, make certain the insurace company doesn't hear it :) -al-

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Motorola 88000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The DN10000 also had a maximum of 4, not 8 processors... There weren't any > actual Apollo products that used the 88K, I guess I could call one of the > founders of Apollo and ask him, but I'm really sure on this one. I knew it was *some* power of two...

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Seen your bill lately? What do they call that? Yeah- I discontinued caller ID, call waiting, etc, back in December. They wwere pretty quicky about turning them off. However, they haven't yet billing know about it... We do it to them, it's stealing... they do it to us, it's " a mistake". Grr.

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IMSAI EPROMS

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Joel: Can't tell much from the first 128 bytes. It looks like a "boot loader" program. I have a similar program that loads Altair Basic from my paper tape reader. How many bytes total are in the ROM ? The jumps at the beginning go to interupt handlers for hardare generated interupts. Follow those to the code they point to. Unfortunately, I forgot what the standard interupt numbers (and what they did) were. What external peripherals (paper tape reader, teletype, etc.) does it have ? -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weder [SMTP:jweder@telusplanet.com] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:46 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: IMSAI EPROMS Hi all... I've been trying to get some action from this IMSAI for awhile now. Main problem is I don't know what is on the EPROMs on the EconoROM board. It looks like banks A & B, OR banks C & D, can be enabled together starting at address 0000h. There are 6 2708's in A0 through B1, and 8 2708's in C0 through C3. I've been looking for an EPROM burner that can read/write 2708's with no luck so far. We have TWO machines at work, and neither will do it. Anyone know of a burner that WILL? I manually read the first 256 bytes of the first chip, and disassembled it, also manually - I'm looking for a good disassembler program too! I've got one called DASM V1.2 by John Wilson, but have been having some trouble with it. If you've got a few minutes, have a look at what I've included below - the first 128 bytes of code. Let me know if any of it looks familiar. (Or if I messed up the job!) The comments are for my own benefit - I'm pretty rusty with assembler. Addr. Hex Value Mnemonic Comments 0000 AF XRA A ;Exclusive Or A with A (clears A) 0001 C3 3B 00 JMP 003B ;Jump to 003Bh 0008 C3 EE EF JMP FFEE ;Jump to FFEEh 0010 C3 F1 FF JMP FFF1 ;Jump to FFF1h 0018 C3 F4 FF JMP FFF4 ;Jump to FFF4h 0020 C3 F7 FF JMP FFF7 ;Jump to FFF7h 0028 C3 FA FF JMP FFFA ;Jump to FFFAh 0030 C3 FD FF JMP FFFD ;Jump to FFFDh 0038 C3 D3 09 JMP 09D3 ;Jump to 09D3h 003B D3 F0 OUT F0 ;Send contents of A register to port F0h 003D C3 11 D2 JMP D211 ;Jump to D211h 0040 3B DCX SP ;Decrement stack pointer 0041 00 NOP ;Do nothing 0042 C3 5C 00 JMP 005C ;Jump to 005Ch 0045 21 00 F0 LXI H,00 F0 ;Load register pair H & L with F000h 0048 0E 4E MVI C,4E ;Move 4E to register C 004A AF XRA A ;Clear register A 004B 77 MOV M,A ;Move register A to loc'n given in H & L 004C 23 INX H ;Increment H & L registers 004D 0D DCR D ;Decrement register C 004E C2 4B 00 JNZ 004B ;Jump on no zero to address 004Bh 0051 06 18 MVI B,18 ;Move 18h into register B 0053 21 2A F1 LXI H,F12A ;Load H & L registers with F12Ah 0056 77 MOV M,A ;Move register A to loc'n given in H & L 0057 23 INX H ;Increment H & L registers 0058 05 DCR B ;Decrement register B 0059 C2 53 00 JNZ 0053 ;Jump on no zero to address 0053h 005C 31 9E F0 LXI SP,F09E ;Load stack pointer with F09Eh 005F CD 42 01 CALL 0142 ;Transfer program control to addr 0142h 0062 06 2A MVI B,2A ;Move 2Ah into register B 0064 CD 51 01 CALL 0151 ;Transfer program control to addr 0151h 0067 CD 7A 00 CALL 007A :Transfer program control to addr 007Ah 006A 23 INX H ;Increment H & L registers 006B 7E MOV A,M ;Move value from loc'n in H & L to reg A 006C FE 3A CPI 3A ;Compare A with 3Ah (A - 3Ah) 006E DA 7A 05 JC 057A ;Jump on carry to 057Ah 0071 CD DE 01 CALL 01DE ;Transfer program control to addr 01DEh 0074 CD 94 01 CALL 0194 ;Transfer program control to addr 0194h 0077 C3 5C 00 JMP 005C ;Jump to address 005Ch 007A 21 BC F0 LXI H,F0BC ;Load H & L registers with F0BCh 007D 22 50 F0 SHLD F050 ;Store H & L registers at F050h Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

You can buy a "new" licensed copy of CP/M (the original DR version) from California Digital for only $9 at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It won't be set up for your particular computer, though, but does have the DR manuals. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Sieler [mailto:sieler@allegro.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:38 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help! Hi, > To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... > If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such > as an HP That's a nice offer, and if my back were better, I'd try to talk you out of those machines. However, I suspect that on this list you could simply say "can anyone send me CP/M 2.2 ..." and you'd get some volunteers. I'd send it if I had any of my 8" systems working yet! :) Good luck, Stan Sieler Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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OT stories about phone phreaking

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

That trick hasn't worked in decades. You can still blue box in some area's but I wouldn't do it. drops a trouble card. Phone phreaking started to go away when the phone companies started to replace the old crossbar switching equipment with electronic switches and computer switching (ESS5, etc...) There are still a few area that you can still red box though. No matter what, its still called stealing. Brian. On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Gabe Steiger wrote: > Is it still possible to phreak a phone by unscrewing the talk speaker? > I tried unscrewing the mouth peice once, could not unscrew it. Bastard > would NOT budge. Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Motorola 88000

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

The DN10000 also had a maximum of 4, not 8 processors... There weren't any actual Apollo products that used the 88K, I guess I could call one of the founders of Apollo and ask him, but I'm really sure on this one. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Fwd: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Gabe Steiger wrote: > > > Is it still possible to phreak a phone by unscrewing the talk speaker? > > I tried unscrewing the mouth peice once, could not unscrew it. Bastard > > would NOT budge. > > You've figured out why it is no longer possible to phreak. The phone > companies passed a law that required phone manufacturers to screw the > mouthpiece on so tight that nobody could unscrew it. Therefore, phreaking > is no longer possible ;( Not to mention the fact that eulB sexoB stopped working with the switchover from Switching System 6 (which used in-band signalling) to SS7, which uses out-of-band signalling (i.e. a separate network). Regards, -dq

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Motorola 88000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > The Apollo Domain DN10000 used up to (was it 8?) 88k cpu's... it > > was modular in some way, so that a system could be expanded. > > No. > > The DN10000 accepted one to four Apollo PRISM CPUs. They were > not Motorola 88000-series CPUs. If it wasn't the DN10000, which model was it? I just got done downloading many megabytes worth of patches for 68k-based systems *and* for 88k-based systems from HP's web site. Regards, -dq

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Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential are a

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

What we really need is a lending library and a central repository for classic computer equipment. The obvious solution is to go underground. The law doesn't say anything about below a residential area. I think a warehouse like the one at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is just the answer. How about underground limestone quarry space? How about decommissioned missile silo? Maybe it's a fantasy, but exploring an endless building full of old computer equipment could be my retirement goal. Probably better than sex. Maybe it's senility. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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by wind＠coxnc.rr.com

Is it still possible to phreak a phone by unscrewing the talk speaker? I tried unscrewing the mouth peice once, could not unscrew it. Bastard would NOT budge. Thanks Note: From a very new newbie to phreaking :-)

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 7, 22:58, ajp166 wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >like that. But a box labeled 11/53 and having an 11/23 procssor in it > is > > an 11/23, not an 11/53. It won't run RSX-11M or Ultrix configured for > an > >11/53, or various things. > > > An 11/23 would run RSX-11 just not the I&D kernal, same for Ultrix > depending on version. Of course, but what I wrote was that a kernel configured for amn 11/53 wouldn't run on an 11/23. It would have to be re-SYSGENed. > >I'm surprised you say it's common. I can see that in a few cases the > >processor might be removed to use elsewhere > It was happening when the processors were NEW. Seems it made a very > compact fairly fast system if the DEC box was not used. However early on > getting the bare CPU was difficult so people bout 11/53s, snatched the > cpu > and resold them with commonly available 11/23s (as Micropdp-11s) Oh, I see. I suppose that makes sense. It doesn't seem to have been common over here, though. > >I'm thinking of > >11/03 -> 11/23, 11/23 -> 11/73, 11/73 -> 11/83, microVAX -> microVAX-II > >upgrades). > > Yep, like my 11T03 that has a BA11N and 11/73 cpu I have its exact mate here :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Storage of computer and parts in the residential area

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Good God, I'm glad I live in the middle of nowhere... My garage contains enough stuff that there is only a 2 foot wide path to use as a walkway, and there is a big stack of lead acid batteries next to the garage (to be recycled sometime). Until we got new siding, I had a big mound o' aluminum there.. There's the frame of a System/36 in the backyard (temporarily), and a semi trailer by the barn. You're lucky if your planning officials are nice, the county commissioners where I live are corrupt and have shit for brains. Like their brilliant law that if you operated a boarding stable, you had to have this stupid "use by special review" which you couldn't get if even one neighbor wouldn't agree to it, so naturally we had one dipshit neighbor who objected... So without it, the "wise" commissioners said you could only board one horse per 20 acres... and we had 40 acres with an 18 stall barn... Needless to say, we boarded 18 horses there... *urinates upon Douglas County* Will J (end rant) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by lance＠costanzo.net

Speaking of CP/M and DRI, here's some web sites that may be of interest: http://www2.gol.com/users/joewein/dri.html http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/cpm/index.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/CPM-faq/ http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/ http://members.aol.com/wwheco1/commscpm.htm http://www.maxframe.com/GARY&CPM.HTM http://www.daml.org/people/jflynn/algolm.html At 08:28 AM 6/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >You can buy a "new" licensed copy of CP/M (the original DR version) from >California Digital for only $9 at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It >won't be set up for your particular computer, though, but does have the DR >manuals. only $9 and you get a manual? dang!

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Motorola 88000

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, > Not that I want to provide the canonical list of 88k machines, but I'm > guessing DG sold the most 88000 machines. I personally used a Tektronics > XD88, which was a beast performer at the time. I've got an XD88 (running now, thanks to list help!) - they really do fly for the age of the things. I can't remember how many 88100 chips it has - just the two I think. Not sure of the core speed either. My system's the '10 with the 8-bit framebuffer; wouldn't mind the '30 with the 24-bit unit (from the scare info I've heard this was a significantly different machine with a proper expansion bus etc.) I don't know why these things failed - I know they were hidiously expensive when new though ($15000 for an '88/10 in the late 80's) so maybe there just was no market for them... bet there aren't many left these days! cheers Jules

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SYM1 Page

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Lee: Regarding the SYM-Physis issues, he's sent me issues 1-8 already. Apparently Massimo is a scanning maniac. I plan on posting them anyway. It's nice to have multiple sources available for this information. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Davison, Lee [mailto:Lee.Davison@merlincommunications.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:19 PM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: SYM1 Page Richard, > the SYM1. So much so, that I may put up a "SYM1 page" > on Highgate. He's now working on scanning the SYM Physis, > a newsletter for SYM users (1979-1982). Issues 1 to 10 are allready available on www.6502.org Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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OSI BASIC

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

A while ago Bill Sudbrink wrote .. I just acquired Microsoft 8K basic in ROM for OSI on paper tape. I currently have no facility to read it, so I don't know if it is source or object. The tape seems to be in good shape (doesn't seem to be fragile) so it should be good for a few passes through a reader. I'll let you know. ... Was it ever read? If so is it available? Cheers, Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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OT stories about phone phreaking

by Demon02554＠aol.com

umm...go for some of the boxes not only is it easier...you'd be surprised how much electronics knowledge you can pick up just by screwin with that stuff

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IBEX CPM Computers

by terryc＠woa.com.au

Can anyone enliten me about these computers. I was invited to help someone clean out his garage. Ibex, CPM 2.2 I have received a two dual floppy machine, one is 8" floppies and the other is 5" floppies. Also need to know the best way to recover 8" floppies that are water affected. In the haul was a VZ200 with tape drive and some IBM Jr (?) If someone wants the IBM box, they are welcome. I'm in Sydney Australia.. taah. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> "People without trees are like fish without clean water"

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SYM1 Page

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: "Massimo from Italy" has been sending me more scans and stuff related to the SYM1. So much so, that I may put up a "SYM1 page" on Highgate. He's now working on scanning the SYM Physis, a newsletter for SYM users (1979-1982). If anyone has anything they'd like to post, let me know off list. Also, I'm looking for a small Web-sized picture of the SYM for the page (I don't have a SYM to photograph). Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> >like that. But a box labeled 11/53 and having an 11/23 procssor in it is > an 11/23, not an 11/53. It won't run RSX-11M or Ultrix configured for an >11/53, or various things. An 11/23 would run RSX-11 just not the I&D kernal, same for Ultrix depending on version. >I'm surprised you say it's common. I can see that in a few cases the >processor might be removed to use elsewhere, but how many systems end up >with a 5-years-older processor in them? In my experience, it's much more It was happening when the processors were NEW. Seems it made a very compact fairly fast system if the DEC box was not used. However early on getting the bare CPU was difficult so people bout 11/53s, snatched the cpu and resold them with commonly available 11/23s (as Micropdp-11s) >common to see systems with later processors in them (though I'm thinking of >11/03 -> 11/23, 11/23 -> 11/73, 11/73 -> 11/83, microVAX -> microVAX-II >upgrades). Yep, like my 11T03 that has a BA11N and 11/73 cpu or maybe my microvax-ii that was downgraded to a Micropdp-11. ;) Allison

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by bshannon＠tiac.net

To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... I'm restoring an Imsai 8080, and at this point my hardware is working very well, but I need some assistance with the software. If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such as an HP 9830A desktop programmable (in basic!) calculator, a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine (with 2 monitors, and full doc set), a Solid State Music S-100 bus music synthisizer, DEC goodies, etc... Lets make a deal....without eBay..... All the hardware for trade is located in centeral MA, not too far from the site for VCF East! Who ever gets this deal, and helps get this Imsai up to the A:> prompt WILL be made happy. (and share in the satisfaction of saving this particular Imsai from the dust bin of history) My problem is this: I need a bootable 8-inch, SSSD CP/M 2.2 disk made with a BIOS for my hardware... I do have full documentation for all the hardware installed in my system. I have an Imsai 8080 with 40K of RAM, a Tarbell 1101-D floppy controller with 2 SA-800 drives, and a Solid State Music IO-4 board. There are some old CP/M 1.3 disks that came with the system, and they ~appear~ to boot, but I get no console I/O. Most of the disks claim to be for memory configurations larger than I currently have. I can disable the Tarbell boot code and enter small programs by hand, and I've verifed that the SSM IO-4 boards serial port is fully operational. Attempting to boot a 24K CP/M 1.3 disk ~looks~ like its working, the head loads and unloads several times, data gets loaded into memory by the boot loader code from the floppy, but no console I/O. Who knows what hardware config this disk expects, it appears to be a very early CP/M install for this Imsai, and its clearly been expanded several times since this disk was cut. I'd also LOVE to upgrade the many 2102 based Ram boards with any non-2102 based SRAM board. I do have 22 slots, but 4K and 8K boards just take up too much room. So, is anyone out there with 8-inch CM/M 2.2, and who is just dying for a Symbolics 3645? Just 'gottahave' an HP9830A (all key caps, unbroken plastic, etc) LED dot matrix calculator? (check one out on the HP calculator museum site, clearly collectable...) Drop me a line off the list, and lets make a deal!

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SYM1 Page

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Richard, > the SYM1. So much so, that I may put up a "SYM1 page" > on Highgate. He's now working on scanning the SYM Physis, > a newsletter for SYM users (1979-1982). Issues 1 to 10 are allready available on www.6502.org Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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Eltron 16VAC adapters

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Still have 2 left of the ones listed below if anyone's interested: -------------------------- I have some AC adapters I bought in a lot, I gave $1 each for them and pulled what I need from them. Input is 120VAC 60hz 800ma and output on a standard round/tubular "coax" connector is 16VAC, 4A. Fused with a 5A/250V fuse built in and changeable if blown. They're bricks with about 3 ft of wire to the 2 prong AC plug and about 3 ft to the coax adapter. Brick measures about 3" wide, 3.5" deep and 2.5" high. Made by Eltron with the part number 808061-001. I have 4 I need to get rid of at $1.00 each plus applicable postage. They weigh 3 lbs each. Someone can have them all or just 1, 2, etc. I'm in central KY in zip 42726 in the event someone wishes to calc shipping. ----------------------------------

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Motorola 88000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not that I want to provide the canonical list of 88k machines, but I'm > guessing DG sold the most 88000 machines. I personally used a Tektronics > XD88, which was a beast performer at the time. Encore built a big 88k > multi, as did BBN. There were a lot of MVME-based systems, with various > badges. There are a bunch of rare/odd machines as well (the Omron Luna is > significant because of it's role in developing Mach). As one poster pointed > out, Apple considered using the 88000 (including producing prototype > hardware and partially porting MacOS), as did NeXT. The Apollo Domain DN10000 used up to (was it 8?) 88k cpu's... it was modular in some way, so that a system could be expanded. I hope to add a DN10000 to the collection, eventually... -dq

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by lance＠costanzo.net

>An HP150 is a PC-incompatible. It's an 8088-based machine that runs >MS-DOS (if you add an optional disk drive), but not IBM PC MS-DOS. It is >not compatible with the PC at the hardware or BIOS level, so most >software has to be specially written for the HP150. >Without a disk drive you can't (obviously) boot MS-DOS. But there is a HP >terminal emulator in the ROM which will run with out a disk drive being >connected. If you need an HP-compatible terminal for some other machine, >the HP150 is a possible choice. There's a couple of other uses for it: 1) It can run HP-Word from an HP-3000. 2) With a floppy, it can be used to boot an HP-3000 Series 70. 3) With a touchscreen, its a great terminal for a dumb blonde. http://www.kzin.com/trader/blonde.jpg (off the cover of a manual, I think her name is P.A.M.) It wasn't a bad little computer for its time. But by making it so incompatible HP missed the boat, as usual. Lance.

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Kaypro artifacts

by donm＠cts.com

A friend is cleaning out some storage space and has a couple of boxes of Kaypro related items available for pickup or shipping only. Each box is approximately 12x12x16". One contains 5.25" DSDD diskettes containing an accumulation of programs from his BBS days. The second is of manuals and magazines - Profile, etc. Sorry, I can't be more specific, but if you are interested contact Milton Blackstone at 858-459-8255. He would like to see them go this month. Thanks. - don

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free RS/6000 410

by owad＠applefritter.com

IBM RISCSystem/6000 410 HD, CD-ROM, and lock removed, unknown RAM, unnkown condition, needs cleaned up. Buyer pays shipping. Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Misc computer boards available for trade

by anheier＠owt.com

I am cleaning out my closets and have the following available. I am mostly interested in trades for older CPUs, coprocessors etc. All the board should be in good working order, but no guarantees. Shipping is on your nickel. Please email me directly at anheier(a)owt.com. Thanks Norm 1) Intel EtherExpress 16TP Lan Adapter, ISA bus. 2) NuVista+ Video digitizer for macintosh, can drive external VGA monitor, software and manual, Nubus bus. 3) SuperMac Video card for one of their monitors, Nubus bus 4) Mac IIci Cache Card, macintosh cache slot 5) Orchid Technology Prodesigner II video card, IBM MCA bus 6) UDS_ISSII PC/ISA SCSI Port card, ISA bus 7) Ungermann-Bass Ethernet Adapter, ISA bus 8) Apple Hi-Res Display Video card, Nubus bus 9) SCSI LVD/SE, Ultra2 SCSI card, IBM MCA bus 10) UMAX computer, M604e 150MHz daughter card, tested to work in apple 7600, 8600, etc.

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Who needs or wants some C64 computers, 1541s drives, 1541 II drives?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Still cleaning up here (seems I do this everyweek now) and noticed I have way too many.... C64s (tan version) with power supply 1541 Disk Drives 1541 II Disk Drives with power supply C64 Programmers reference guides I threw out all the bad shape ones, gave some away and still have way too many...about 4 of each... All of these are clean and work. They could be going to dump this week if no takers but it's ashame cause they are fine shape... See more of the stuff I have to giveaway/trade: http://computer_collector.tripod.com or http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/ Claude

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Motorola 88000

by ken＠seefried.com

Interesting architecture. Brain dump follows; forgive inacurracy due to bit-rot in the brain. The 88000 was Motorola's' stab at RISC technology, after deciding (well, being told by customers), that there wasn't much interest in follow-ons to the 68040 (look how few 68060 adopters their were, relatively speaking). It came out in 1988, placing it late compared to the rest of the 1st generation of commercial RISC. Harvard architecture, 32 GP registers, register renaming, pipelined w/ interlocks, on-chip FPU, well defined co-processor interface and later on, superscalar & speculative execution. Later versions, as I recall, also had special bit manipulation instructions designed to manipulate pixel data (distant shades of Intel MMX) with seperate functional units to execute those instructions. All the right buzzwords, and it had very competative integer & FP benchmark numbers (I recall ~17MIPs & ~20MFLOPs @ 20MHz for the 88100, depending on speed). I know they ran at 16.67MHz, 20MHz, 25MHz & 33MHz; not sure about other speeds. It started life as a fairly typical multi-chip Motorola design, which certainly impacted manufacturing costs. There was a core CPU chip (the 88100), then some number of 88200 or 88204 CMMU chips, which provided 16KB or 64KB cache, respectively, and an MMU. Cache had split I+D buses, with a given chip dedicated to one or the other bus. One could use 0 to 8 CMMUs, giving up to 256K+256K I+D cache per CPU. AFAIK, 2 was the most common number, and 3 or more was rare due to cost. I know the BBN TC2000 used 3 per CPU, which gave 32KB I & 16K D cache (or vice versa). I can't recall off the top of my head a machine that used more than 4, though there certainly were some. Someone once told me that an Omron Luna used a single 88200 per processor. I've never seen one, so I can't confirm, nor would I know if it was caching instructions or data. Many folks used just the 88100 CPU for embedded applications. NCD built a bunch of 88k Xterminals sans CMMUs, for example. The later (and much faster) 88110 processor integrated MMU & cache (8k+8k I+D) on chip, much like what happened between the 68020 and the 68030 (well...sans cache to be pedantic). They also added more functional units. There was an 88120 that was planned but never saw the light of day. There was plug-and-play hardware support (e.g. hardware cache coherency mechanism) for up to 4 way multiprocessing, so you saw a lot of 2- and 4-way multis. Spinlocks, etc., were real easy to implement on the 88k. Motorola had a pretty strong ABI spec for SVR3 & SVR4 (88Open), which would have been useful had the chip been more successful. Not that I want to provide the canonical list of 88k machines, but I'm guessing DG sold the most 88000 machines. I personally used a Tektronics XD88, which was a beast performer at the time. Encore built a big 88k multi, as did BBN. There were a lot of MVME-based systems, with various badges. There are a bunch of rare/odd machines as well (the Omron Luna is significant because of it's role in developing Mach). As one poster pointed out, Apple considered using the 88000 (including producing prototype hardware and partially porting MacOS), as did NeXT. In the end, Motorola decided (for many reasons that I won't begin to untangle) to back the IBM PowerPC chip. The rest, as they say, is history. ObObscureHistoricalFootnote: DG apparently ported DG/UX to the SPARC at one point. To return the favor, Sun ported Solaris 2.5 to the PowerPC (the chip that replaced the 88000). Doubtful anyone ever purchased either product. That's how I remember it...I could be wrong... Ken Seefried, CISSP

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by bills＠adrenaline.com

I'll try one more time... It's fully functional, including the touch screen. It has 640K of RAM (256K integrated + 384K on an expansion board). Best offer.

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > >I live for the day when Outlook or Exchange allow me to > >simply establish a filter that strips all incoming mail > >of any HTML.... > > I live for the day I can strip OE for a real mailer not the cartoon thing > MS pushes off. My kind of mailer is Vax Mail. Nice simple command > line text mailer. I'm surprised that Elm and Pine haven't been ported to Win32 Console apps... -dq

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FOR TRADE...: APPLE IIGS Official Pubs. BOOKS reference Harware/Software manual set series (last time - they really gotta go...help please...)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Yes, I have posted these before, bear with me please...its the last time... Well I have stumbled upon this box full of books again that I have offered a few times here. A few trade offers fell through but now I hope to get these to a good home...they must go now as part of my Spring cleaning 2001 project (now extending into summer 2001...) I would like to trade these - I dont use ebay to buy or sell so they wont go there. Id like to get something in return because I paid a bit of $ for these when I got them as part of a Apple IIgs bundle.... They are a box full of all the reference manuals for the IIgs hardware and software, I think 9-10 hard/softcover books in all. Toolbox reference vol 1,2,3...programmer intro to the Apple IIgs, etc... See a pic at : http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/iigs/iigsbks.jpg I would except a trade for vintage stuff (home/hobby 8 bits/16 bits) not too common or better yet : as recent as possible SUN or SGI computers/equipement. Thanks Claude http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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(no subject)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 7, Brian Roth wrote: > Great! A couple of former DEC brokers I contacted did not even know what a > RV20 was. Shipping might be a bear though as I believe the weight will be > similar to and RL drive. Oh, that won't be a problem. I've shipped RK drives...as in RK07. 8) -Dave McGuire

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Free stuff

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I am currently reducing my collection to "DEC only" and in the coming weeks(months) will be posting some giveaways. I have bunches of everything to get rid of. I will give precedence to DEC related trades and then just ask for shipping charges after that. First off I need to know if anyone is interested in Data General stuff. I have a couple of box's of manuals and software. I believe there might be some early NOVA manuals in the stack. I also have a dual 8" rack mount floppy coming in. I would like to see these go to an active DG collector. I currently have 7 Intel MCS -80/85 Family User manuals in new condition. Free to anyone. A few bucks for postage at your convienience would be nice but not necessary. Like I said I have a lot of stuff and the shipping charges are going to add up after a while. Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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DEC Board, need help with info on...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 7, Geoff Reed wrote: > The 29-28310-01 is off a digital label. > > also on the board are > > 90-0000308-001 > and > 91-0000308-001-01 > > (C) 1989 Corrolary INC. > > it's an ISA board with an 80186 2 zilog z0853004PSC's an AM9517A-5 and a > boatload of pals on it, it looks kind of like a multiport serial card it > has mac looking ports on it that look just like the serial ports on a > macintosh or sparc IPC/IPX. (Mini-din8?) sorry, my memory is trashed this > am... > and i might be able to throw a picture online of it soon.... Hmm...Z8530 is a [very nice] dual-channel serial I/O chip and the Am9517 is a DMA controller...which, rather decidedly, makes it a high-speed multiport serial card. The Z8530 is capable of synchronous and HDLC/SDLC operation as well, up to 2mbps if memory serves. I have no idea what this particular board was built to do, but it could even be something fancy like that. -Dave McGuire

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 6, Brian Roth wrote: > Any chance that someone may have an DEC RV20 worm drive they would like to > part company with? I just received some carts with software I would like to > read. Also looking for a keyboard for a VAXmate. A surplus house that I deal with now & then has had one on the shelf for some time. I'll head over there and ask 'em how much they want for it. If their price is reasonable for you I can go grab it and ship it to you. -Dave McGuire

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DEC Board, need help with info on...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 6, Geoff Reed wrote: > 29-28310-01 IC8X4 MULTIPLEXOR BOARD > > I don't know if this falles under the classic here, but any info I can get > on this would be great! compaq has been less than helpful on telling me > what it is.... Are there any other numbers on this board? Can you up a photo of it? -Dave McGuire

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Usenet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 7, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > > Geez....Microsoft created over 300 new newsgroups in the last day.... > > > > As if it's not bad enough that those idiots have set our industry > > back about fifteen years. NOW they're wasting bandwidth on top of it! > > I enjoy a good Microsoft bashing as much as the next nerd, but 300 > newsgroups out of the 50,000 or so that are currently in existence is not > going to break any camel backs ;) Oh, c'mon. It was a good enough excuse for me. ;) -Dave McGuire

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 7, 0:36, Megan wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > >Allison, for once I feel you're wrong. An 11/53 is a distinct processor > I don't think that was the point of what she was saying... I think it > was that although the *BOX* said 11/53, there was actually an 11/23 > plugged into the bus. I can understand that might be the case nowadays, > with all the moving of boards and such... but I cannot believe that > DEC ever marketed a machine which said 11/53 which might contain an > 11/23 processor... someone surely would have noticed and had a problem > with it... Megan, I agree with what you say about boards being moved around. Of my ten or so PDP-11 systems only three or four had the "right" processor when I got them. But I got the distinct impression Allison was (at least at one stage) suggesting that (early) 11/53 systems were intended to have a processor that wasn't a distinct member of the 11/x3 family. Allison wrote: > Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 > or 11/23B? Well, then it's not an 11/53 any more :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 6, 21:43, ajp166 wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > What part of what I wrote is unclear? The comment is most 11/53s I've > seen contained 11/23B cpus. that maybe "not as shipped" but very > commonplace. > > >office use. When it was announced (1987), it was as a J11 processor > with > >separate I&D space and RAM on the processor card -- which no 11/23 has. > I > >never heard of one having an 11/23 as shipped by DEC. > > > Never said it was. I said many early 11/53boxen HAD 11/23s not they > shipped > with 11/23s. Seems they were fertile ground for modified systems. It read as if you were saying an 11/53 could have a M8189. Of course a box can have a particular label, but have some other CPU in it - I have a few like that. But a box labeled 11/53 and having an 11/23 procssor in it is an 11/23, not an 11/53. It won't run RSX-11M or Ultrix configured for an 11/53, or various things. I'm surprised you say it's common. I can see that in a few cases the processor might be removed to use elsewhere, but how many systems end up with a 5-years-older processor in them? In my experience, it's much more common to see systems with later processors in them (though I'm thinking of 11/03 -> 11/23, 11/23 -> 11/73, 11/73 -> 11/83, microVAX -> microVAX-II upgrades). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC Board, need help with info on...

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

29-28310-01 IC8X4 MULTIPLEXOR BOARD I don't know if this falles under the classic here, but any info I can get on this would be great! compaq has been less than helpful on telling me what it is....

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

The AViiON's were made by Data General, of NOVA fame. The first models appeared 1991 or therebouts. These used the (then) new Motorola 88000 RISC processor chip set. They made desktop (AV-300) and deskside (AV-400,500) workstations, as well as multi-processor servers (AV-8000's for example). The first ones were kinda slow, owing to the 1st generation RISC processor and a rather overweight UNIX port (DG/UX). Later multi-processor machines (some had as many as eight, IIRC) using the 88110 processor were much faster. Mot dropped the ball (as usual) in the mid-90's and abandoned the 88000 in favor of the PowerPC*. When this happened, DG shifted over to the 'Dark Side' (i.e. Intel) and have done nothing remarkable after that. IMNHO, only 88k AViiONs are really worth keeping (unless you're *really* into WINNT). DG/UX is okay, I guess; but I mostly like the fact that technical docs are available for at least one model (AV-530), and it has VME cardslots. *Footnote: What's truly tragic, is that Apple was preparing to manufacture 88000-based mac's (several prototypes were built in the early nineties). This project was squashed by internal politics, however. On 7 Jun 2001 1:59:57 +0100 "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> writes: > Isn't the Aviion the Motorola 88000 based line of workstations by > General Electric or some other megalomaniac corporation? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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