- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, As promised, here is the list of EXORbus cards that I have... Any docs or information on these would be greatly appreciated! (Thanks to Mike and Joe for already replying to my previous post)... 1 MEX68WW Wire-Wrap prototyping Board (uh, well, I guess this one is self-explanatory :-) ) 1 CMS 9601-501 "Utility Buffer/Cable Breakout" Board (2 ports) 1 CMS 9601-503 "Cable Breakout" Board (8 ports) 2 Chrislin Industries memory board -- 32 4116 chips 2 Motorola Micro Module 1A (one has 4 2708 EPROM's, labels all faded) 2 CMS 9650 Serial I/O Board (8 8650 chips) 2 card extenders w/ test points 1 Micro-Logus P-VDG board (CRT-5037 and CRT 8002 chips, also 4 2016's, and 4 output jacks, coaxial, but smaller than say a cable TV coaxial cable. Also output jacks are NON-threaded. 1 CMS 9609 MPU board (6809, 2 6821's, 2 6850's, 3 2716 EPROM's, one marked "Debug 09", others unlabeled) 1 CMS 9609 MPU board (same setup as above, but 3 2716's marked "M9M17 #1, #2, and #3") 1 Southern Company Services SCSEVDG183, very similar to P-VDG board above, but w/ CRT-5027, and 4016's instead of 2016's) 1 Hodge Taylor and Associates P/N 040478 (all 74XX logic, no ideas as to function) 1 Hodge Taylor and Associates P/N 033178 (again, all logic...) 1 unknown vendor, marked "Interface Board" (2 6820's, 2708 EPROM, marked "D800" (very faded), 40-pin and 50-pin connectors on top) 1 General Micro Systems "Versatile Memory Module" (16 sockets, 9 filled w/ 2716 EPROM's, marked "IRCS 0.64" -- Also has battery backup!) 1 CMS 9640 Timer Board 1 Hodge Taylor and Associates P/N 12877 (2 AM2901BDC, 3 AM2909PC, 4 N82S2708N) Thanks in advance! Rich B.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> S.C. a CDC founder? fantastic! > 205/LSI after the Cray-1? check. > > Ok, continuing after a "real work"* break. > What made the 205 get singled out for so > long as an a**kicker? True multiprocessing? > Did it beat the Cray-1? See also: http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/super-users-view.html

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> S.C. a CDC founder? fantastic! > 205/LSI after the Cray-1? check. > > Ok, continuing after a "real work"* break. > What made the 205 get singled out for so > long as an a**kicker? True multiprocessing? > Did it beat the Cray-1? CYBER 205 Overview of Platform Vector Architecture. Compute Hardware Architecture: ECL/LSI logic (168 gates/chip) Sequential and parallel processing on single bits, 8-bit bytes and 32- or 64-bit floating-point operands 20-nsec cycle time Scalar Unit Segmented functional units 64-word instruction stack 256 word high-speed register file Vector Unit 1, 2, or 4 segmented vector pipelines memory-to-memory data streaming maximum vector length of 65,536 words gather/scatter instructions up to 800 million 32-bit floating-point operations/second Interconnect / Communications System Memory System Memory MOS semiconductor memory Memory size: 1, 2, 4, 8 or 16 million 64-bit words Virtual memory accessing mechanism with multiple, concurrently usable page sizes SECDED on each 32-bit half word 48-bit address (address space of 4 trillion words per user) 80 nsec memory bank cycle time Memory bandwidth: 25.6 or 51.2 Gigabits/second Benchmarks / Compute and data transfer performance Performance: Linked triad performance on long vectors approaches asymptotic speed of machine. Performance can be severely degraded at short vector lengths (that is, the typical $n _ {1/2}$ is around 100), and if vector is not held contiguously. For this reason most tuned software employs long, contiguously held vectors. Operating System Software and Environment Software: Virtual operating system Batch and interactive access FORTRAN compiler ANSI 77 with vector extensions 32-bit half-precision data type Special calls to machine instructions Automatic vectorization Scalar optimization utilizing large register file Utilities Interactive symbolic debugger Source code maintenance Object code maintenance Networkability/ I/O System / Integrability / Reliability / Scalability I/O Eight I/O ports, 32-bits in width, expandable to 16 200 Mbits/second for each port Maximum I/O port bandwidth of 3200 Mbits/sec Miscellaneous Cooling: freon Dimensions: floor area (four pipe model) 23 ft x 19 ft footprint (with I/O system) 105 sq ft Notable Applications / Customers / Market Sectors N/A Overall Comments N/A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:49 PM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ... > > > > At 12:18 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Doug wrote: > > > > >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber > > >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air > > >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > > > > > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > > > > > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate > > >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to > > >wipe the disks using hammers). > > > > Actually, they use acid. :-( > > That doesn't destroy data, it just rearranges it... > (yes, my favorite color is paisley). > > :-) >

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eBay as career

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, John Foust wrote: > Care to share how you've been doing this? What sort of > items are you buying and selling? Do you think it's been > profitable, if you consider the time per transaction? I've been selling some analog and digital test equipment, some synth and music-related stuff, and some computer stuff. NeXT Dimension boards, for example...I had about a dozen of them, and most of them went for around $400/ea. It's been profitable enough to pay my $1400/mo rent and my $700/mo car payment, as well as other bills...no "think" to it, if I hadn't been doing this, I'd be bankrupt...or worse, working a 9-5 schedule, being taken advantage of by suits and having clueless MCSEs trying to take credit for my work. I'm not bitter.. -Dave McGuire

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by jhellige＠earthlink.net

> But yes, it is rectangular. And big. I would give my right arm to >be able to restore/preserve/own a functional Cyber205 (or any Cyber >for that matter, anybody have a smaller one available?)...the one at >Purdue seems to have been gutted, sigh. At least a gutted one presents at least some sort of starting point on which to build and it it's the racks and panels you get, that's a bit better than starting off with nothing more than a single board or two. If it were a machine I wanted badly enough, it'd still be worth looking into even in that type of shape. There are certainly automotive and aircraft collectors that have started out with less and ended up with fully functional vehicles after spending enough time gathering the pieces. Jeff

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new source for ZILOG parts also know as diskettes without lab els.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

When I need a floppy and I grab one out of the stuff box where the unlabelled ones live, I always do a dir first to see what's on the floppy. It's amazing how many of my lost files I find that way. I think the labels fall of and crumble to dust. I found a couple of 5 1/4 floppies with IBM DisplayWrite 3 files on them the other day. Some of the files were from 1984. One file was my resume. It's amazing that I was listing my accomplishments about programming in Fortran IV, and PDP assembly language. Our data was accessed in Datatrieve and we wrote Fortran files to create data sets. We were thinking about a VAX to replace our PDP 11/70. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Any Dutch/Belgium Collectors ?

by stefan＠softhome.net

Are there any Dutch or Belgium collectors here that I don't know yet ? Just curious :) Think I know most of them, but hey, you never know ;) cya, Stefan.

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop with the funky font shit! Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps > > >Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> I recommend: >> >> Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine) >> Hackers (Levy) >> The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz) > >I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at >http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A most >interesting book! Some of these books are getting a bit harder to find on >the streets.

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Next Megapixel N4000 low B+ or schematics anyone....?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi I acquired a complete clean NExT slab and the Megapixel N4000 (yes the tube might be weak....still) monitor is looking like it has low B+ (87 VDC) I have no picture or apparent HV (probably very low) I hear a short HV crackling at power up....anybody have schematics for these or fixed a lot of these and are fimiliar with them so I dont hunt around for hours.... Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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eBay as career

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, John Foust wrote: > At 02:03 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I've been selling some analog and digital test equipment, some synth > >and music-related stuff, and some computer stuff. NeXT Dimension > >boards, for example...I had about a dozen of them, and most of them > >went for around $400/ea. > > Were you buying and reselling, or selling old gear you > already owned? Buying stuff elsewhere (surplus places) and reselling it, and selling stuff I already had around. > >It's been profitable enough to pay my > >$1400/mo rent and my $700/mo car payment, as well as other bills...no > >"think" to it, if I hadn't been doing this, I'd be bankrupt...or > >worse, working a 9-5 schedule, being taken advantage of by suits and > >having clueless MCSEs trying to take credit for my work. > > Now there's something to flame about. It's not uncommon, though. Indeed. -Dave McGuire

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Free to good home: Compupro S100 system

by pcw＠mesanet.com

I picked this up a a local junk auction, but have no interest in s100 stuff, thought someone here might like it (to be picked up only -- too much trouble to ship - I'm in SF bay area) Compupro Rack mount system with 22? slot S100 backplane, 86/87 CPU card (8086), 2x RAM22 RAM cards (256KB each), System support card, 8 channel serial card, and hard/floppy controller card. Probably ran MPM at some time (might still!) Also have another rack that came with it with 10? MB ST506 type hard drive and 5 1/4" floppy Peter Wallace

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More PDP11/70 boards for trade

by anheier＠owt.com

Hi, I have some more pdp11/70 boards up for trade. All the boards have the mounting hardware. I have no means to test their operation, so can?t guarantee their functionality. Some of the capacitors etc are damaged by poor handling, but look repairable. Shipping is on your nickel unless trading components have similar shipping fees. Please email me directly, not on newlist. Thanks Norm anheier(a)owt.com MODULE OPTION BUS DESCRIPTION 3 each - M8728 MK11 U 64-Kword 39-bit MOS memory array (11/70, 11/750) 2 each - M8144 KB11-C U 11/70 cache data memory M8126 FP11-C U 11/70 fraction processor, high order M8128 FP11-C U 11/70 floating point ROM control M8132 KB11-C U 11/70 instruction register decode & condition codes M8134 KB11-C U 11/70 processor data & UNIBUS registers module M8130 KB11-C U 11/70 data paths module M8149 MJ11 U 11/70 memory transceiver card M7984 MS11-KE * 16-Kword 39-bit MOS RAM array M8139 KB11-C U 11/70 timing generator module (different board form factor) G066 ?? M6728 ?? I also have a box of DEC ribbon cables. Most have DEC part numbers.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 12:18 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Doug wrote: > > >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber > >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air > >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > > > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > > > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate > >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to > >wipe the disks using hammers). > > Actually, they use acid. :-( That doesn't destroy data, it just rearranges it... (yes, my favorite color is paisley). :-)

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Ebay horror ...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, joe wrote: > Exactly! I doubt anyone on this list makes a living by selling on > E-bay. I have been for the past ~5 months. Not by choice, mind you...and certainly not forever...but it's certainly feasible. -Dave McGuire

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Please help me ID cards(32)

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

Hi All I have accumulated some miscellaneous cards from various sources and would like to get some imput from anyone who can identify anything below. I intend to use whatever I can and offer others for swap on this list for those I cannot use. I am interested in memory for my VAXserver 3100 and other equipment's and parts for DEC, HP and IBM workstation, but is open to anything you have available. If you recognize any equipment, please say briefly what it is and what it is used for and with what equipment. Note: Wherever you see NUBUS/VMEBUS or local bus,is because I do not know the difference, but by describing it like this I may help you recognize it Photos by request 1) JETSTREAM GRIP PROCESSOR BRD - ASSY 7527-0060 (has 2 nubus/VMEBUS) connectors on both side end of board - size 9.75" X 11" 2) GRIP RAM MK2 BD - ASSY 7521-8500 - connectors on both side end of board - size 9.75" X 11" (received this card is connected to above) 3) looks like 4 boards interconnected. the two main board seems to be ISA and both has what looks like one SCSI connector on each which are connected together by a SCSI cable. One main card has two other smaller cards attached. Both are made by CALIFORNIA DATA CORP. One of the smaller cards attached to it is marked MULTISONIC/PC ULTRASONIC INSTRUMENT. The part number for the main card is P/N C2859 REV D. The other main card is marked MULTISONIC/PC GATE BOARD. P/N C2863. Both main board has a 26-pin(M) external port as well as some small strange ports. Both are 13" x 4" in size 4) A small board measuring 8" x 5.50". Made by OMT INC. Model 5400, ASSY00060-13 REV T. Has what looks like a 4-pin pc power connector. Really looks like a small motherboard with what could be floppy/SCSI/IDE connectors 5) measures 13" x 4.25". This has a smaller board attached. The larger board looks like ISA.. Made by IMAGING TECHNOLOGY INCORPORATED. Both board are marked PC VISION. The main board has a 20-pin external connector. 6) 5" x 13.50" Identification marks are "STORK X-CEL KP0218-30 R727304" Has 4 "clip on" internal connectors - all varying sizes. 7) 13" x 4.75. I believe ISA. Has 4 x 30-pin SIMMs slot. Has 3 x PROMISE TECH chips. Has a bunch of IDE connectors 8) 5" x 4.50". ISA. Made by ANALYTIC DESIGN. I believe this is a video card. Has external 9-pin female connector. 2 x "sound-card like" ports. has a switch and dipswitch. 9) Made by IMAGE STORE 852004-2-B-5/4. measures 9.50" X 12" 10) measure 7.25" x 4.25. has a nubus/VMEBUS connector. Made by BARNEYSCAN AS-115. Has an external 17-pin (DB)female connector 11) 9.25" x 7". MEGASCAN TECHNOLOGY ITF-3102 VME interface. ASSY A33400. Has an external 50-pin connector 12) SEAGATE TECHNOLOGY. ST02. SL04. BIOS 3.3.2. 5.25" X 4.25". Has external 25-pin port 13) ISA board. ORCHID DESIGNER VGA. 835-0008-1 REV B. ORCHID 'S D-VGA version 9.4. D-VGA20326Has 2 video ports. 9-pin and 14-pin as well as a dip switch 14) PRODESIGNER VGA. ISA board. 830-0022-2/C1. ORCHID TECHNOLOGY. PRODESIGNER BIOS 1.2.2, 2.2.2, xl ROM 2.2. External 15-pin connector 15) MEGASCAN TECHNOLOGY FDP-3100 AT interface. A33300-B. 3101 BOOT PROM rev: 1.1. External 50-pin port 16) 13.50" X 4.25". RC ELECTRONIC INC. COMPUERSCOPE ISC 16. Looks like ISA. has 40-pin external connector 17) ISA. VERSATEC IBM-INTERFACE. A10-026546-002-A. 37-pin DB external port 18) SANG COMPUTER SYSTEM GmbH. 16 bit dual FIFO AT interface. MEGA-Link DMA. External 15-pin port 19) LYNX ATI REV C. ISA board. Has a internal SCSI connector. 2 x external serial port 20) AT & T DSP32C-DS V2.1 DGM/MEM/AAP. external 34-pin port and 2 x speaker-like ports. 21) ADVANCE TECHNOLOGIES RP88 RISC Coprocessor. Has 8 SIMMs chip installed (MCM84000AS) 22) Looks like either a NUBUS/Local/VMEBUS by Tektronix inc. Has a 13W3 port. Other ID Bt458KG080, RAMDAC, SN E30110 23) Schroff VME 1-0 BUS 4-slot. 60800 414. There is something attached to two of the slots by Quality Products Int' Model S1E2SP2-1 24) Intergraph Computer systems LYNX II geometry accelerator. CSMT3020B MSMT302 REV B. 25) Advance technologies RP88 RISC Coprocessor. Tektronix. Has 4 Motorolo processors and 8x memory chips (Motorola MCM84000AS ATATAM9201 80ns). This is NUBUS/Local/VMEBUS 26) I vaguely remember pulling this one out of an old Compaq laptop. It has very little ID. It has ISA bus and 5 external ports, which I believe are 10BASET, an 8-pin mini din, 2 ports that looks like speaker port and one "yellow" port. ID: CE168X. P500-0145-02R-HN019839 27) STORK X-CEL. ISA. Has external switch. has 4x memory chips which are soldered 28) SuperMac (NUBUS) ASSY 0007532-0001 REV B. S/N S-NB 502296. Has a chip that says "1003359-0001A Spigot NUBUS ver. 1.0". 29) has a 9-pin video port and a serial port. ISA. ID: A63 IVG-128, DATACUBE 26-00138 30) A 5" card by Raster Image Processing Systems Incorporated. LJPA2 REV A. Has a 25-pin male port 31) STORK X-CEL 4R727311A. ISA 32) ISA. WD7000 ASC. has an external SCSI and an internal SCSI

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, joe wrote: > >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber > >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air > >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > > > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > > > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate > >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to > >wipe the disks using hammers). > > Actually, they use acid. :-( Depends on the installation. I worked at a facility that burned them. Or tried to, anyway. -Dave McGuire

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2 FREE qbus boards

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, Anybody want a KDF11-B (M8189), or a M7165 (1/2 of a 2 board set)? They are yours for shipping. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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WARNING. You sent a potential virus or unauthorised code

by support＠star.co.uk

The MessageLabs Virus Control Centre discovered a possible virus or unauthorised code (such as a joke program or trojan) in an email sent by you. Please read this whole email carefully. It explains what has happened to your email, which suspected virus has been caught, and what to do if you need help. ------------------------------------------------------------ Some details about the infected message ------------------------------------------------------------ To help identify the email: The message sender was owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org jhellige(a)earthlink.net classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (if this is not your email address, the message sender possibly belongs to a mailing list to which you both subscribe.) The message was titled 'Re: Old Labtam 3000 computer' The message date was Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:41:41 -0400 The message identifier was <01Jun12.124125edt.119041(a)gateway.mediacen.navy.mil> The message recipients were Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com To help identify the virus: Scanner 1 (Skeptic) reported the following: Skeptic searching for 20 viruses >>> Possible Virus 'Exchange/DoS-charset' found in '669143A_0.txt'. Heuristics score: 251 The message was diverted into the virus holding pen on mail server server-3.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_992365311) and will be held for 30 days before being destroyed. ------------------------------------------------------------ What should you do now? ------------------------------------------------------------ If you sent the email from a corporate network, you should first contact your local Helpdesk or System Administrator for advice. They will be able to help you disinfect your workstation. If you sent the email from a personal or home account, you will need to disinfect your computer yourself. To do this you will need an anti-virus program. We suggest using one of the leading industry anti-virus packages such as McAfee, F-Secure or Cybersoft, which cost £15-£30 per copy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Getting more help ------------------------------------------------------------ If you believe this message to be a false alarm or you require further assistance, you can email Star Internet Support at:- support(a)star.net.uk or contact Star Helpdesk by telephone on:- +44 (0) 1285 884433 Please quote the following Virus Pen ID when contacting Support. <<< mail server server-3.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_992365311) >>> If replying by email, please forward this entire email. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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Infocipher receivers

by owad＠applefritter.com

In a box of Apple II equipment from a school I found three of what I understand to be Infocipher receivers. Is anbody familiar with these? Do any services still exist that use them? I read the devices communicate at 9600bps and the one is even labeled "Desk Top Data Demodulator". Are these really much different than cable modems? Thanks, Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 12:18 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Doug wrote: >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to >wipe the disks using hammers). Actually, they use acid. :-( Joe

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Old Labtam 3000 computer

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Here's an email I received today that someone here on the list might be interested in. He included a photograph, which I've not attached since it's being forwarded to everyone. Please reply to the original sender. Thanks Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Sir, >I have >LABTAM series 3000 computer, and like to sale them. I think is very rare >because I havn't find nothing in the internet about computer an manufacturer. >It is made in Australia 1984 or 1985 y. by Labtam international Pty. Ltd. >TWO procesors ZX80 and Intel 8086 >Second terminal with color monitor and keyboard >1Mb. RAM >15 Mb. HDD >Two FDD (8" and 5,25") >O/S - CP/M; Cuncarent DOS; MS/DOS 2.22. >Special interface for getting signals from elektroencefalograf. >Printer >Full technical documentation >30 pcs of 8"disketes with software > >If you interested in buying them write to me. > >Jonas >jonas(a)omgema.lt <mailto:jonas@omgema.lt>

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On June 12, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I just read it last night, but can't find the reference; > > but the Cyber 205 was the final evolution of the CDC 7600 > > machine. Its peripheral processors were true, individual > > processors, as opposed to the 6600's single multi-threaded > > PP (one processor with multiple contexts). > > I beg to differ here...The design of the 205 was based on the design > of the Star 100, which predates even the 6600. I'm sure there was > some cross-pollenation of ideas and such (being the same company and > all) but they are different computers entirely. My corrected ost will have arrived about 15 minutes before you see this reply... This mailing list is entirely too slow. I need to be able to post a correction to myself before everyone else does! ;-)

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> About the Cyber 205...CDC started the design of the "Star 100" in > the mid 1960s. It wasn't completed until 1973, and being based on > 1960s technology, it wasn't competitive. It was redesigned in newer > LSI technology and re-released as the "Cyber 203E" in 1979. Shortly > thereafter it was renamed to "Cyber 205". This is correct, my previous post not (re the architecture). > But yes, it is rectangular. And big. I would give my right arm to > be able to restore/preserve/own a functional Cyber205 (or any Cyber > for that matter, anybody have a smaller one available?)...the one at > Purdue seems to have been gutted, sigh. Many of the later-model version of what was originally called the Cyber 170 series (it got renamed later) are still running and under support contract. It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber 170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to wipe the disks using hammers). -dq

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Mac computers up for grabs in Cambridge, MA

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here is someone offering Mac's & things in Cambridge, Mass. Please reply to the original sender. Reply-to: Baltimucho(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:49:58 EDT From: Baltimucho(a)aol.com Subject: Computer donations Hi there, I've got some computers I'm trying to get rid of, let me know if you can help me out: Mac se/30 Mac se 2 Keyboards Mac Quadra 650 2 monitors Power cords I'm located at one camp street in Cambridge, Mass. I work at a management company called Fort Apache and we want to get rid of these items. Whatever you can do for me would be greatly appreciated. Thanx, Eric P.S.- if you need more information either email me back or call Ben at 617-868-2242 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > I just read it last night, but can't find the reference; > but the Cyber 205 was the final evolution of the CDC 7600 > machine. Its peripheral processors were true, individual > processors, as opposed to the 6600's single multi-threaded > PP (one processor with multiple contexts). I beg to differ here...The design of the 205 was based on the design of the Star 100, which predates even the 6600. I'm sure there was some cross-pollenation of ideas and such (being the same company and all) but they are different computers entirely. -Dave McGuire

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anybody want to say a word or two about 205's? > My recollection was that it was the first Seymour Cray > machine, probably about 20+ MIPS, probably fixed/short > electrical path, and probably rectangular (pre circular) > shape. Anything right? It was *definitely* not the first Seymour Cray machine. It's generally considered that the 6600 was architected by Cray, with Jim Thornton doing much implemtation detail. But Thornton tends to be put behind Cray in this effort, and: > Cray does acknowledge Thornton's authority and work on the 6600 in the > forward to "Design of a Computer." And it's true that Thornton was > the machine, and the design's, biggest booster both with the book and > the numerous papers he authored. I just read it last night, but can't find the reference; but the Cyber 205 was the final evolution of the CDC 7600 machine. Its peripheral processors were true, individual processors, as opposed to the 6600's single multi-threaded PP (one processor with multiple contexts). More when I can find it or point to it... -dq

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > > Call Purdue salvage and ask. When I saw it, it wasn't in the area that > > would normally be seen, but it may be available. Call (765) 494-4600 > > and ask for the number for Purdue salvage... > > Ok, I'm Southern Indiana, I'll see if I can't get some initial > information about this machine. I could fit a Cyber 172 in > garage, but nothing this big, so I want to help get this > into the hands of a proper preservation organization. Ok, It's already been mostly gutted. There are a few cabinets left, they've been working since it was decommissioned to recycle it for the gold, etc. They may be willing to accept a bid for the remnants equal to the salvage value. They'll allow anyone who's interested to go there and take photos of what remains. Thoughts? -dq

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Lilith schematics anyone ?

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

I just took possession of a Lilith workstation, including two diskpacks and some spare boards..... Alas the Lilith doesn't function . While it still might be easy to fix, I'd rather have some schematics . Are these obtainable somewhere ? In particular I need to know if the boards marked "URAM" and "DPU" are essential or not, they are missing in my machine. "URAM" is not the main memory, since I seem to have a complete set of memory boards. Documentation I did get was limited to a short userguide with next to none technical info. I would love to see this thing get back into life...

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Searching for /etc/mkdev from HP-UX 9.0 (HP9000/300)

by hans＠Huebner.ORG

Hi there, does anyone reading this have a running installation of HP-UX 9.0 on a HP9000/300-series system and would be so kind to send me /etc/mkdev from that system. I've just inherited such a system and am trying to back up the installation first, but /etc/mkdev and the device nodes for the SCSI MO are missing. Thanks in advance, Hans -- finger hans(a)huebner.org for details

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Motorola EXORbus docs needed

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all! I recently acquired several Motorola (and other vendor) EXORbus cards. Included are a couple of Micro Module 1A CPU cards, some I/O and memory cards, and two boards that almost look like video cards. I need docs for the cards, but I'll post the list in a separate message, as I'm away from the cards right now. My initial questions are: - Does anyone have general documentation on the EXORbus itself? I'd like mechanical and electrical specs, pinouts, power supply requirements, timing diagrams, etc. Electronic format would be awesome, but other than that, I'd pay copying and postage for hardcopies. - Does anyone know where to get the 86-pin card-edge connectors so I could wire up a backplane to plug these beasties into? - Anyone have any EXORbus stuff they want to get rid of? :-) Thanks! Rich B.

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'd say it's worth preserving. May I implore you to seek > > out one of the people who frequent this list who offer > > conversion services? Let's get it on disk, somebody may > > find one of these systems someday. Or might want to write > > an emulator... > > > > Sure, sounds good in theory. Who has a 7-track tape drive in usable > condition at the moment, and wants to try reading the tape? I didn't want to volunteer him, since he does this both as a courtesy for fellow hobbyists and as a business for customers. He says he's got a several month backlog of handling his customer's needs, so the hobby-courtesy work is even more way behind. Likely, you'd have to just send him the tape and wait a year or so before he'll be able to get around to it. But I'm sure you've seen Tim Shoppa posting here before, and he's one of the ones I know about. The guy I sent my 9-track to is having someone else do it, and he didn't specify, so it's possible he's sent it to Tim. Meanwhile, as a possible hedge against this coming up in the future, I'll be keeping an eye out for a 7-track drive, one that's of sufficiently-late manufacture that it can be made workable again. May have to design a custom interface, but that's just work... Regards, -dq

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Hmm, what are the odds... I just came across a small magnetic > > > tape from CDC, from 1975, containing CDC 8090 Assembler, whatever > > > that is... If the label is to be trusted, it is a 7 track tape, > > > contains one file, and the density is 556? > > > > We had an 8090 in Bloomington, front-ending a 3600; later its was > > replaced by a 3400. The 3400/3600 system was in turn replaced by the > > 6600 in 1970. > > Do you know what happened to the VAXen used by IU Bloomington in the early > 1990s? I was at Rose-Hulman at the time, but many of my friends were > going to IU. I remember there being a couple of VAX/VMS systems like > ROSE, JADE, and AQUA <?>. Yeah, those sound like some of the names I've seen, although that was after my time. But Greg Travis has an interest in these machines, his web site is: http://www.prime-mover.org/ClassicComputing/index.html But while he mentions the VAXen, he doesn't have pictures or state he's got one or more of them, so you might wan to ask him for further info. Regards, -doug q

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Jay West?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi, sorry to waste bandwidth here. Jay did you get my email re the HP Extender? I've not heard anything .... --Chuck

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Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer an d parts in the residential area)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ObClassicCmp: What sort of computer systems have the US Geological Survery > used historical to monitor earthquake activity? They're probably still using an IBM 605...

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Ebay horror ...

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>There are some folks who think dead computers are of value for something other >than parts, but I don't know very many. Give the sensible ones a break, will >you? I'm not saying that the PCjr falls into this category, but there are any number of systems that even if they're not working should be kept intact and not junked or canibalized for whatever useful parts you can get. This mainly applies to those machines that a collector is happy to find in any condition due to their rarity. Jeff

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Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> My own inclination is to view computers that don't run as projects or as > parts-supply, and computers without reusable parts as dumpster-bound. I'd never > want a machine that requires power I can't supply. I'd never want a machine > that I can't see how to fix, either. Once it's relegated to the parts bins, it > gets dismantled and put in the parts stock, right down to the screws and > washers, and the sheet metal goes to the scrapper or to the dumpster. At first, I was dittoing along with this, until I got to the PSU-I-cant-repair part. I understand the thinking, of course, but I can think of quite a few machines that would fit that bill that I'd take as long as I could find an *indoors* location for them (having noted the rust remark below). Eventually, someone might have the desire to acquire it and the means to power it, and I'd be tickled to have enabled that to happen. Do you *really* know people who keep mainframes rusting in the yard? CDC Cybers, by any chance? ;-) -dq

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M9202 Unibus connector inverted

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I came across some M9202 "Unibus connector inverted", and I'm wondering if anyone knows what they are used for? -Larry LeMay

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OT: Swordfish

by Demon02554＠aol.com

In the movie Swordfish there is PDP-10 cameo the "only PDP-10 still online, just as a museum...perfect place to hide my worm"

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Huge PDP-11 rescue opportunity

by jss＠ou.edu

Well, I guess it's time to let the cat out of the bag with this one... I've been planning a very nice equipment rescue in Seattle for some time now, but as circumstances are, I will not be able to afford the trip. I'd rather not see anything scrapped, so I am hoping someone on the list will be able to pick up where I'm leaving off. What we have is a *bunch* of OEM and third-party PDP-11 equipment. Here's an overview. There are two types of systems: old and new. Both were made by ATEX using a combination of DEC and custom hardware. The old systems consisted of, originally, PDP-11/34s and 04s. These were upgraded later on by replacing the CPU cards with with a single card with a J11 processor and a SIMM on board. The old systems are in black 6ft racks which have a blue ATEX legend at the top instead of the traditional DEC legend. Each rack contains one PDP-11/34 or /04 box up top and an additional backplane down below with gobs of custom ATEX cards. Each of the new systems looks a bit like two PDP-11/44s in a white 4ft cabinet, but as I understand it, they use the same boards as the updated old systems. The systems are "networked" using some special hardware that connects all of the Unibuses. They share a system of disks and a tape drive. Some of the systems have a built-in small SCSI drive and JAZ drive; these particular machines may not be available at the moment. Here's an inventory. Old systems (13 total): 9 currently in operation, 5 available next month 4 out of operation, 2 available now They're going to keep 4 of these for another year. New systems (8 total): 4 currently in operation, 4 available next month (?) 4 out of operation, 4 available now Approximately 20 hard drive systems. These were some sort of CDC 8" drive, but were converted to 300MB-1GB SCSI drives. The cases were reused. At least one Kennedy 9100 tape drive. Boxes of old boards and spare boards. As you might have guessed, they are still in the process of decommisioning the systems. As far as I can tell, each cabinet is being removed from the computer room as it decommisioned and prepared for shipping. The prepped cabinets are brought to a warehouse where they await pickup. The owners want $100 for the entire lot. If you are interested in rescuing this lot, please reply to me. The owners wish not to be barraged with e-mail, so I will manage the selection and briefing of the new picker-upper. I have a contact in Seattle that went to the location, took pictures, and wrote most of what you just read. I can send those pictures to anyone who's interested. >From what I can see, the equipment looks to be in pristine condition, having been well cared for in their computer room. I hope that it makes a nice find for someone. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hmm, what are the odds... I just came across a small magnetic > tape from CDC, from 1975, containing CDC 8090 Assembler, whatever > that is... If the label is to be trusted, it is a 7 track tape, > contains one file, and the density is 556? We had an 8090 in Bloomington, front-ending a 3600; later its was replaced by a 3400. The 3400/3600 system was in turn replaced by the 6600 in 1970. I'd say it's worth preserving. May I implore you to seek out one of the people who frequent this list who offer conversion services? Let's get it on disk, somebody may find one of these systems someday. Or might want to write an emulator... Regards, -doug quebbeman

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PDP 8/e Help - File Transfer

by djg＠drs-esg.com

> From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> > See: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/pdp8/ > > The Software section contains wehat you need. The dump and restore utilities > contain programs for downloading files from PC to PDP 8/E, and you can > also use the send.c and rim.c programs if you want. > I have an updated version at ftp://ftp.pdp8.net/software/dumprest.zip It fixes some minor bugs and has better documentation. It also breaks TD8E DECtape, yet another thing on the TODO list. If anybody uses this to copy their media to a PC I would like to get a copy of the images to put on my FTP site to increase the available PDP-8 software. > From: "Rick Bensene" <rickb(a)bensene.com> > > > > It was working perfectly for the longest time, then, very suddenly when > > accessing either RK05 drive, I get errors that are kind of strage. I had an interesting one with mine, it started giving read errors on existing packs but worked fine if you formatted a pack in the drive. A counter failed so the the header words were written to the wrong location. > > I need to somehow get the MAINDEC RK8E diagnostic loaded onto the machine > > to try to see what is going on with the disk controller. > > If you need more help email me. I have run them by boot/pt and sending paper tape images through the serial port. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.

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decus lives!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

At least in the UK anyway. The recent flurry of DECUS complaints on here made me wonder what had happened to my own membership - sure enough it expired last month so they're wanting another 25 english pounds off me. Thing is, is it still worth it to be a member? I haven't been to the seminars etc for *years* and don't have a requirement for hobbyist kits or anything like that...... thoughts? -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

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Data General Eclipse in Tumwater, WA

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Any DG collectors in the Northwest? This looks like a good find. The owner's original ad said: "Data General Eclipse mainframe with peripherals. Will consider donation to non-profit organization." Bobby Johnson, Miller Brewing Company Phone: (360)754-5072 Fax: (360)754-5166 E-Mail: johnson.bobby.m(a)mbco.com and I know he wants to get rid of the system, because he asked me to post a notice to the list. No information from him yet about size, weight, or running condition, but I imagine the system is in good condition. Please contact the owner, not me! -- Derek

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OT But...

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I know this is off topic but I just replaced my LRP router with a software package called smoothwall. Its still Linux with complete control through a java enabled browser with status, network, and firewall logging. Lots of features and free. Awsome. Check it out. http://www.smoothwall.org Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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Books wanted

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I'm looking for the following books: "DOS Internals" by Geoff Chappell "DOS and Windows Protected Mode Programming" by Al WIlliams "Advanced MSDOS Programming" by Ray Duncan If anyone has these, please let me know off-list so that we can work a deal. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Sol-20 and Helios pleas

by r.stek＠snet.net

Jim - Ask and ye shall receive, knock and the Helios manual and disks shall be made available... I have the manual and lots of PT-DOS disks. I have never had the opportunity to try them on my Helios. In fact a recent major accomplishment has been getting the Helios out of storage for possible display at VCF East. I am afraid all that my schedule will allow is seeing if it works when connected to my Sol (and I may not have time to do that for a few more weeks). But you are certainly welcome to borrow the manual and disks - the manual is about more than twice the size of the Sol manual. I could have a copy shop do it here, but it would probably run into BIG BUCKS, and I don't have the time to do it at work. But if you want to borrow them, they are yours for the asking. With all your work on Solace, I don't know anyone who would appreciate (or deserve) them more. And, Doug, it was me who contacted Stan a year after he dumped his Sols (and now he is S-O-L). About two years ago I did send out a mailing to about 150 names and addresses I culled from the Proteus News and tried to find via web-based phone directories. I eventually made contact via email with 3 or 4 who still had their machines .... And promptly lost their addresses after a major system crash and prior to a backup (been there, done that). Your Sol-brother, Bob Saver of Lost Sols

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >> >Do you *really* know people who keep mainframes rusting > >> >in the yard? CDC Cybers, by any chance? > >On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > >> Not too long ago (and perhaps still) the CDC Cyber 205 was complete and > >> sitting in one of the Purdue University salvage buildings. This is a *BIG* > >> machine and would require some serious space, power, etc. > >> > >> The machine has a panel on it which there are the signatures of many > >> people. I think they are the signatures of the installers, maintainers, > >> etc. > At 04:23 PM 6/11/01 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Uhhhh...ahhh....a Cyber205? 8-) That's a VERY historically important > >machine in my opinion. > > > > I'd been deleting these messages as yet-another-ebay-related-flame > >but this message caught my attention. If there's a complete Cyber 205 > >in existence anywhere, I'd sure like to know about it. What is the > >status of this machine? Is it available? Anybody know? >On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > Call Purdue salvage and ask. When I saw it, it wasn't in the area that > would normally be seen, but it may be available. Call (765) 494-4600 > and ask for the number for Purdue salvage... Ok, I'm Southern Indiana, I'll see if I can't get some initial information about this machine. I could fit a Cyber 172 in garage, but nothing this big, so I want to help get this into the hands of a proper preservation organization. If anyone has any advice, I'm all ears... -dq

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EPROM replacement and other helpful hints, was Re: IMSAI EPROMS

by jweder＠telusplanet.net

Thanks Mike... Not a bad idea, using switches, but Godbout thought about that 23 years ago! ;o) This EconoROM board has 4 banks of chips already, switch selectable. You can have any one or a combination enabled at once, and set the addresses individually. So I could easily use four 2732's or whatever, one for each bank. Though adding further switches would allow even larger chips to be fully used. Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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OT - Scheduling/Macro Software

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 03:03 PM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I would like to be able to schedule a web browser to go to a site, capture >the page, >and save it to a file automatically once an hour. Off hand, I don't of >anything that will do this; any ideas? Thanks. unix: cron + wget

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