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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor)

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

Well, yes. Strain out the bits, add some cheap, freely available chem's ( mainly to form the chemical chains ), then dump the crap in the tank and drive off, all in the back yard. Smells of a chip shop too. BioDiesel is really the term used for stuff like processed rape seed oil and the like. Currently ( in the UK ) this is taxed at a lower rate than oil based fossil fuel, but not as low as LPG, even though it's renewable. Believe other 'oil' planet can be used too, not sure of yield or processing requirements. -----Original Message----- From: fernande Sent: 09 July 2001 15:42 To: classiccmp Cc: fernande Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor) I'm not sure what you mean..... are you saying you run your car on the oil that potatoe chips are cooked in?? Isn't it kind of thick? Is that what you are calling,"biodiesel"? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA David.Neal(a)ubsw.com wrote: > > bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on > biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently > running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the > local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an > 'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come > along a offer to take it away for free ). > > Cheers > > D Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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(fwd) Windows 286 and Lotus 123 for DOS 3.4 Upgrade

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

If anyone has any interest in this stuff, please contact this gentleman directly. On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:25:14 -0500, "Jonathan Stirrup" <jon_on_server(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Bill, > > My name is Jon. I was rooting through some old junk and low and behold I >found an unopened Windows/286 and an unopened Lotus 123 for DOS 3.4 Upgrade. >I know a lot about current software, but I am a novice at old software. I >search on the internet for information on the Windows/286 and came across >your page. I have no Idea if I may stumbled onto something collectable or >not. Any opinion? Thanks. > >Regards, > >Jon > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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The Computer Journal

by alm＠door.amresearch.com

No intent to defraud? Could have fooled me! When TCJ was owned by Bill Kibler they processed our credit card transactions, we were only a few miles apart and both Forthies. After Dave Baldwin took over TCJ my cost went up so we discouraged credit card transactions and only took a few overseas or medium-sized. I had/have complete trust and faith in Bill Kibler. He's an honorable man so I didn't follow things as well as I might have otherwise. Before too long Dave Baldwin owed me about two kilobucks and was months behind in reimbursement. Repeated telephone calls elicited, "I'm fine, you'll get your money." It never happened, the miserable piece of shit embezzled a lot of money from us. I doubt if you'll ever see another issue or get a penny back. Here's his local address and telephone numbers if you want to contact him directly: David Baldwin 6619 Westbrook Drive P.O. Box 3900 Citrus Heights, CA 95621 TCJ 722-4970 FAX 722-7480 DIBS 733-3877 BBS 722-5799 Feel free to abuse him and share my going public with his criminal activities. Regrettably the local sheriff tried to resolve things and got a small payment so the DA now refuses to prosecute because that legally turned the theft into a loan. Doesn't pay to be a nice guy, huh? -- Regards, Albert ------------------------------------------------- AM Research, Inc. The Embedded Systems Experts http://www.amresearch.com (800) 949-8051 -------------------------------------------------

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Joe writes > Wrong! Puerto Rico is going to be the 51st state. Canada will be the >52nd. (We have to keep our priorities straight.) :-) > > Joe I thought Canada was a province or is it a colony? :) What does it take to upgrade from a province or a colony to be a US state? I think they meet the basic requirements 1. Beer 2. Speak English (sort of) 3. Dollars Now that I think about it, Utah may fail on the Beer part. Kick out Utah, replace with Canada. (Remember it's attempted humor) Mike

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BA440 Backplane

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have the part numbers for the new and old BA440 backplanes? If so, is "5019353-01 K2P1 54-19354" a new or old backplane? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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SGI Indy2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 8, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Depends if it is all there, including the OS, and the media for the OS. > Still not a whole lot. Indy's are pretty slow. It's the Indigo2's that I've an Indy with a 200MHz R4400 that's anything but slow. Granted the majority of them have crappy R4000s or R4600s, but beefier R4400 or R5000 machines are around. -Dave McGuire

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X-10 (was Re: controlling power)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106261847000.21999-100000(a)lanshark.lanminds.com> <3B491E60.6D30BA7E(a)greenbelt.com> <3B4942A8.EC83EA35(a)home.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid FCC: ~/Mail/sent-mail On July 9, Neil Cherry wrote: > X10 was marketed to Radio Shack in 1978 and the first review of it was > in 1979. So it's a lot closer to 22 years old. Motorola had limited > produced the 6809 in 78/79 (no where near '71). Wasn't this issue > cleared up before? I think Don just missed a digit by one. X10 was originally marketed by BSR, if memory serves. -Dave McGuire

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SGI Indy2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 8, Zane H. Healy wrote: > The problem is your 200Mhz R4400 is only slightly faster than one SM71 > which is a SuperSparc II running at 75Mhz. My Sparc 20 with Dual SM71's > feels slow at times, mainly when doing web browsing or software compiles. Hmm...you running Solaris on that SS20? That might explain it. ;) > I'd love to have an SGI box, but they're even more expensive than Sun's or > DEC Alpha's. An even bigger problem for me is you can have a x86 box > running Solaris 8 that will totally blow away any moderatly fast SGI or > Sparc system and will likely cost a lot less. My Dual 400Mhz Celeron > running Linux pretty blows away any of my other systems with the possible > exception of my Mac, and my DEC PWS 433au. Yeah, sure...until you try to do more than one thing at a time. -Dave McGuire

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Ended auction for qbus SCSI

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Did anybody see this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252001410 > > It went for $305.00! Does this surprise you? -Dave McGuire

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 4, Richard Erlacher wrote: > It all supports the Californian conclusion that "you can't legislate good > sense." > > It's worth noting, however, that the U.S. is about the only industrialized > country in the world that bends over as far as it does to protect those who are > STUPID while doing absolutely nothing to protect the rest of us from them. Yes, fighting Darwin all the way. I HATE that. Protect and coddle the stupid so they can annoy the hell out of the rest of us, and dilute the GOOD genes in the process. ARGH! -Dave McGuire

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TU-58 rollers and emulation (was Re: VAX 11/725)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> >> > There is out there a TU-58 emulator for PeeCee... There is one that runs under UNIX. Also the rollers for the TU58 I clean off the goo to get down to the basic hub then use .500 od/.375 id Tygon tubing. which is a stretch fit over the hub, add a drop of super glue and trim to width as diameter is not critical and that material seems to hit it very close. I've done this to maybe 8 them I still use. Allison

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Technically, Jamaica meets all those criteria... Their currency is called dollars, they speak English, mon, and I'm sure they make beer... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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COPY 190

by optimus＠canit.se

A month or so ago, we were given a large load of Commodore things - a C64, 2?1541-II, CP/M cartridge, mouse, GEOS, complete collection of "?tta bitar" magazines, and games, lots of games. Today I thought I'd try to transfer some games to disks, since I don't have any good experiences with cassettes, though this was my first encounter with turbo tapes, which do not require as much patience. Anyway, I first had some luck with smaller games (turbo games occupying about 20 blocks), which could just be loaded and then saved to disk. Others were simply too large for the BASIC and any results at SAVEing resulted in out of memory errors. Then we found a program called COPY 190 on one of the tapes. It looked very promising, presenting the user with a menu allowing for transfers between tapes and disks in any direction. Only it seemed to have one serious bug: it didn't handle file names with spaces, and just about every file on the tapes had spaces in them. Has anyone got any experience with this program or any tips? I first select "tape to disk", then the program prompts for a filename. Entering ARCHON works fine. It asks whether the tape uses a turbo, which it does, and then it waits for the tape to start. Then it finds ARCHON, which has no spaces in it, loads it into memory and writes it to the floppy. However, if I instead enter the name ARMY MOVES or "ARMY MOVES", it will find ARMY MOVES and load, then it will find the following file and load that one, and so on, without ever saving to floppy. Very frustrating. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Die Zeit kommt aus der Zukunft, die nicht existiert, in die Gegenwart, die keine Dauer hat, und geht in die Vergangenheit, die aufgeh?rt hat, zu bestehen. --- Augustinus (R?m. Kirchenlehrer, 354-430 n. Chr.)

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TU-58 questions

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Now that I have found a missing box of TU-58s, I plan to back them up for archival and emulation purposes. The easiest TU-58 drive I have access to is from an 11/730 (I have a VT-103 in storage, but the other drive is already out). Being as old as it is, the pinch rollers have turned to goo, naturally. Can someone give me a tip on what size Tygon tubing people have been using for replacement rollers? Is this something I can find at a Home Despot or do I have to go to an aquarium shop? Do you clean off all the residue from the aluminum hub, or do you just pull the goo off and put the Tygon right on? Is there an online listing of the jumpers on the TU-58 logic board? I want to make sure it's strapped to something useful. Looking at the internal power cable, Red could be +5 and Orange could be +12V, but does anyone know for sure? I plan to make an adapter cable and power the drive off of a PC floppy power plug. What's good software to make a physical block-for-block backup of a TU-58 tape? I don't care if it's UNIX or Winblows, I can do either. Are there any magical things that have to be done with the data cable, or can I just make sure gnd, pin 2 and pin 3 go through? Thanks for any and all help. Last question: does the VMS Hobbyist program cover VMS 3.x? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Vintage/Classic Computer anything in Dallas, Texas

by chomko＠greenbelt.com

Anyone know of anything of interest in the Dallas, Texas are related to vintage/classic computer stuff? I'll be there over the week of July 4th. But I'm STILL trying to find away to get to Boston area at the end of the month (VCF East), vacation hours permitting. Anyway, any help with info about Big D and classic computers appreciated. Thank, Eric

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SGI Indy2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 8, geoffr wrote: > Wht is one worth? (roughly) Indy2? No such thing. You probably mean either Indy or Indigo2. Very different machines. Anywhere from $100 to $1000 depending on specific model, processor, memory, and video system. -Dave McGuire

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VCF East - item sales

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Bob Stek wrote: > I will be bringing some stuff to sell with me at the VCF. But with > manning my booth, listening to speakers, and nosing around, I figured > that I wouldn't have time to also sell stuff. So to support your > efforts I thought I would just let VCF sell my stuff and take its > percentage. The consignment area at the VCF is a great way to sell stuff. My crack staff of vintage computer sprites will handle all the details for you :) http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/vendor.php3#consignment > But, to make things interesting (and to make up for bad karma earned > by buying and selling on ebay), would you consider letting sellers do > reverse auctions? E.g., between 9 and 12, item's price is $40, > between 12 and 3 it's $30, and after 3 PM it's $20. Each seller could > have a sheet of prices and times taped to items so it shouldn't impose > any additional burden on your folks doing the selling. This can be handled already within the existing consignment system. The way it works now, you specify a price you'd like to sell the item for and the minimum you will take. Any offers on the item between the sticker price and the minimum price will be accepted on your behalf (this is all explained on the consignment form). I can add columns to the sheet to specify pricing changes at certain hours. Those wanting to use this system can be free to do so. Good suggestion! > It would add a little incentive for folks to come back often in hopes > of getting a better deal. And it would allow those of us with limited > space to get at least a minimum amount so we don't have to truck it > back home! You got it! :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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OT Celebration

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I would like to mention that while you Yanks are getting ready to celebrate the 4th of July, TODAY is the day when we Canucks put away our boots, parkas, and snow shovels, and raise a glass or two of Canadian Club or Molsens Canadian, or maybe even Mooshead Beer in memory of our great victory in the War of 1812. Cheers, chaps Charlie Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor ON N8Y 3J8 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out: Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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OT: Celebration (intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I didnt start the thread about the 4th of july and you're still talking about NON CLASSIC COMPUTER CRAP. for goodness sakes, take it alt.sociology.whine.whine.whine PLEASE! In a message dated 7/8/01 4:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << Well, SUPRDAVE, what was the topic? How relevant was a discussion of fireworks and 4th of July party practices to "classic computers?" Who started this thing, anyway. I know I didn't. >> -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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VCF East BBS Now Online!

by vcf＠siconic.com

The VCF East BBS is now online. You can get to it here: http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/bbs.php It is also available as a link from the VCF East pages. You can use it to post items you will be bringing to the VCF, or items you are looking for, or perhaps to schedule car pools, etc. Enjoy! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> --- Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote: > > > What's a good price for most of a Lisa? > > > > Too much. > > Do you mean that most people charge too much, or "any" price is too much > if it's missing bits? The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as part of the Mac's heritage. > Are keyboards findable? 3.5" 400K disk images with Lisa software? I > suspect that a Mac 128K/512K mouse would work (nine-pin, raw quadrature), > but keyboards are particular beasts. Anyone ever rig up a PIC scan-code > converter? I've seen just keyboards for sale on E-Bay... > I realize that I will probably never see a complete Lisa system with software, > docs and a printer go for $25, but is a base unit with a working monitor > and CPU worth $50? $100? More? Yeah, I'd give you 50 bucks for it... Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't those times... Regards, -doug q

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PLATO IV Terminal Update

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

A small update regarding the search for these rare beasts... It was uncertain who had made them, many thinking (assuming) it was CDC; however, given the last of the three references below, it appears it may have been made by Magnavox. Still want one... -dq 70mr02 Stifle, J. "A Plasma Display Terminal." CERL Report X-15, M arch 1970; revised: June 1973. Also appears as "The PLATO IV Student Terminal." Nov. 1974 74au01 Stifle, J. "The PLATO IV Terminal: Description of Operation." Revised: Aug. 1974 97xx01 PLATO IV: Site Controller Communications Interface for the PLATO IV Computer-based Education System. Magnavox, undated.

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VCF East - item sales

by r.stek＠snet.net

Sellam - I will be bringing some stuff to sell with me at the VCF. But with manning my booth, listening to speakers, and nosing around, I figured that I wouldn't have time to also sell stuff. So to support your efforts I thought I would just let VCF sell my stuff and take its percentage. But, to make things interesting (and to make up for bad karma earned by buying and selling on ebay), would you consider letting sellers do reverse auctions? E.g., between 9 and 12, item's price is $40, between 12 and 3 it's $30, and after 3 PM it's $20. Each seller could have a sheet of prices and times taped to items so it shouldn't impose any additional burden on your folks doing the selling. It would add a little incentive for folks to come back often in hopes of getting a better deal. And it would allow those of us with limited space to get at least a minimum amount so we don't have to truck it back home! Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Celebration (enough already)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 14:52, Richard Erlacher wrote: > If you were using Outlook Express, you could expunge the titles you don't > anticipate reading with a little "Mail Rule" that would erase it as it comes in. > Too bad one can't just skip the things. If I didn't have to read 'em as they > come in, I wouldn't have to respond ... <sigh> Richard, please take this elsewhere. You seem to be the one prolonging the agony even if you didn't start it. You've made your point, and only the insecure and childish have to respond every time. Try respecting your own social contract, or at least the part of that pertains to the list charter. I'm tired of downloading dozens of messages that have no place here and in case you haven't noticed, lots of people on the list use dialup lines, lots don't use Outlook, and writing little "Mail Rules" wouldn't save the download time anyway. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Way too much computer stuff in my basement...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 12:27, Chuck McManis wrote: > At 01:48 PM 7/8/01 +0200, stefan wrote: > >You could try my site where I have an "Old Computer Market" where anybody > >can post there adds completely for free. Check it out at > >http://www.oldcomputercollection.com and select "Old Computer Market". > When I try to read these pages the text is totally obscured on the left > hand side by some weird dark blue graphic! > Oh, never mind its an "Internet Exploder Only" site ... It works fine for Netscape on my IRIX machines (with JavaScript and style sheets off). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT: Celebration (intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/8/01 10:26:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rdd(a)smart.net writes: << On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > child, part of that is a penalty. That penalty must ensure that you > will under no circumstances cause annoyance to anyone else ever > again, and it should serve Hmmmm... perhaps Dick needs our help with his education. Shall we set up a little meeting to explain the use of tar and feathers to him? ;-) >> <sigh> how about we CENSURE him so we can...uh... get back on topic? -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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holy grail found

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

well not really, but its a holy grail to me. I traded one of my tandy 102s to get an apple //c+ and finally got it today. Now I have every apple // model now. it's a pretty neat machine. I think it might replace the computer I use to play with and type in programs from 4 years worth of NIBBLE magazines I have. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto, ugliest RV ever and barbie jet motorhome at www.nothingtodo.org

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VMS Timeline and more

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I was just poking around on the net, killing some time while watching something I've got running at work, so I decided to see what I could dig up on VMS. Anyway I just found a *very* interesting page. http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hist.html It has release dates and major feature changes from V1 - V7.2. BTW, for those that don't know V7.3 was released a couple months ago. Anyway it's an interesting page. It looks like http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/ might be worth looking through also. Such as http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hw.html which lists minimum OS versions for the various systems. Anyway I don't know who dug all this info up and created these pages, but they look to have a bunch of info I've been looking for, for a long time. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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FS/T: 8-bit micros

by owad＠applefritter.com

Pick up in south-central PA or at VCF East. Some of this stuff I could possibly ship. TRS-80 CoCo 2 CoCo 2 box (medoiocre condition) CCR-82 Cassette Recorder w/cable Introducing Your Color Computer 2 Getting Started with Extended Color BASIC Extended BASIC Quick Reference Carts: Color File II w/booklet & case Personal Finance II w/booklet & case Commodore VIC-20 AC adapter unusual-looking (to me) RF modulator Carts: Adventure Land Mole Attack Voodoo Castle Number Nabber, Shape Grabber River Rescue TRS-80 CoCo 3. I could have sworn I didn't own one of these. It's in the original box, which is in decent condition. TRS-80 Model 4 Getting Started with TRS-80 BASIC for Models I & III C64 in box w/a bunch of manuals and 'Books of Commodore'. And I think I've got another three Commdores, too, two of which I'm pretty certain are the newer Platinum variation. I had no idea I had so many 64's. These things are worse than rabbits. IBM Convertible w/brand-new-in-box power adapter. IBM Convertible w/battery unit & brand-new-in-box power adapter. Stuff I'm looking for: Apple & Mac clones Interesting Apple stuff NeXT cube Apple II (plain II) LEGO stuff (blocks or electronics) Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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DECW$ resolution

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well the two tricks that I hadn't caught on to was that you have to install the "workstation support" files, and after installing Motif you have to run AUTOGEN again so that it can mess with your parameters. Then it comes up to the window system. Very nice. --Chuck

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HPUX on HP 9020 (9000 Series 520)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

gwynp(a)artware.qc.ca wrote: > On 06-Jul-2001 Wolfgang.Eichberger(a)bps.at wrote: > > Hi. I'm searching for some HPUX docs and software for the HP 9020. > > I think HPUX 5.? is still running... > > http://hpux.asknet.de/ might interest you. It's unlikely. Wolfgang is asking about an HP 9000/520 aka 9020. It's one of HP's first 9000s, sort of an early workstation, and was well on its way to obsolescence in the early 1990s. The processor architecture is a 32-bit stack machine called FOCUS, and it's nothing like a Motorola 68000 nor HP PA-RISC. And it's been frustrating open-source types for years. Here's what etc/MACHINES file from the GNU Emacs distribution has had to say for a long time now: # HP 9000 series 500: not supported. # # The series 500 has a seriously incompatible memory architecture # which relocates data in memory during execution of a program, # and support for it would be difficult to implement. -Frank McConnell

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Celebration...

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

I think it's really unfortunate that Mr. Erlacher finds it necessary hijack the list with this ridiculous rhetoric. It's just totally beyond me why someone would want to speak in this fashion. I find the lack of importance Mr. Erlacher assigns to basic concepts such as liberty, individuality, and respect for human life appalling. We've all probably lived long enough to know that governments oftentimes get confused and start to drift from what they're supposed to be doing (keeping basic order) to legislating trivial and personal areas of human life. I'd prefer not to have every element of my life dictated by corrupt old men and off-the-wall special interest groups, so on occasion, I find it necessary to work around some of the more ridiculous instances of government spew. There are definitely things that are wrong because they hurt others and set back progress made by society, and punishments should be in place to dissuade people >from doing things like this. If you think it's necessary, however, to slaughter everyone who's ever done five over on the highway or smoked a joint, I'd be inclined to wonder what terrible abuse you must have lived through to think in this manner. Really, though, this is the "classic computer collector mailing list", not the "ultratotalitarian politics list", so as a few other people are starting to say as well, could we please just lay this one to rest? It's accomplishing nothing, save for making a lot of people very offended and angry. Thanks, --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Calculator Find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

While at the thrift on Thursday I found a Singer Friden EC 1117A electronic calculator for $1.99 plus tax. Also got non working Hitron laptop for $4.99. Picked up about 20 books with alot of them being HP calculator manuals. Almost forgot a Toshiba T5100 cost all of $2. Other than the hand full of mousepads that was it for the week. Hope to hit two big auctions next week looking for a few goodies.

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Space War?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > As I understand it the Computer Museum History Center brought up SpaceWar > on a PDP-1 to demonstrate it before some patent attorneys who used it as > 'prior art' to invalidate some video game patents. IIRC, TCM's PDP-1 failed to power up at some time while still at TCM in Boston. (Early-mid 1990s?) It is now at Moffett Field, and there is (or was recently) interest in restoring it to functionality. -Frank McConnell

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Need DRAM chips

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

In search of 4 DRAM chips for video expansion on built-in S3 card. The ones in it are 44C256 at 60 ns and the 4 empty DIP sockets are 20 pin (10 pins each side). Anyone have 4 in their stash and want to part with them - and if so how much? Please email direct.

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MicroVMS/WS V3.0 ?!?!?!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I just got *large* pile of TK50 tapes from my neighbor, most of which aren't that interesting. However, one is labled as follows: AQ-FT37C-BN 056222 MICROVMS/WS V3.0 BIN TK50 COPYRIGHT 1986 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION What is it? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Decserver 700 question

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know how to telnet to the DEC server 700 and then connect through it to one of the serial ports? I can connect to it with the default password, then I get the Local> prompt and can't figure out how to connect me to port7 which is currently hooked to the console of a VAX... --Chuck

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OT: Old radio gear available...cheap?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm working on retrieving a large haul of Osborne stuff from the wife of a former Osborne engineer who passed away earlier this year. Among his stuff is included the following radio gear, and I was wondering if anyone here was interested in any of it. The lady lives a good 4-5 hours from me and I plan to make the trip sometime in the next couple of weekends. I can bring back whatever radio gear anyone expresses an interest in and have it shipped out to them. I don't know what the lady wants for this stuff, so include an offer. She justs wants it to be out of her garage as she is moving, so any reasonable offer will probably be fine. Because of the long drive and my shortage of time these days, I'll want 1.5 * shipping for my trouble on top of your offer. The descriptions are terse so if you have any questions about any of the gear, let me know and I'll try to get answers for you. I don't think she will be able to answer any heavily technical questions. Here is what's available: Navy ships transmitter/receiver put in service in 1944 made by Stromberg in England Navy amplifier same era WWII Tank Receiver/transmitter made by Weston Navy Signal corp freq meter with last calibration manual 8' Altec cabinet with tube type modules I have no idea what this stuff is beyond what the descriptions say. Please get questions to me within the next couple days so I can send them out to her all at once. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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DEC$WINDOWS and VCB-02 ..

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I thought that if I put a VCB-02 into my VAX that DEC$WINDOWS would automatically start up when it booted (when it recognized the console was a frame buffer). Unfortunately that is not the case. What is the secret here? Does anyone reading need a VCB-02 ? (less cab kit and cables?) --Chuck (who is working his way through his Q-bus board stash)

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IBM 604

by ecloud＠bigfoot.com

Interesting article here: http://www.ddj.com/columns/history/2001/0106hc/0106hc001.htm -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud(a)bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd(a)kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________

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may have found our friend shridar ayengar

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Saw a post from 7/6 on the PS/2 newsgroup and have sent a message to him. If anyone else is looking for him try this email address: sridhar(a)cloud9.net

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

WTF? can we get back on topic here? this is stupid. anyway, in my attempt to bring this back ontopic, I found a compaq portable II. other than the floppy drives, is there any difference between the II and III models? In a message dated 7/7/01 12:12:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << It's like recommending that a 120 TTon nuke on TelAviv or Damascus as a solution to middle-east strife. It would solve a number of problems. The bones of contention there, including the bulk of the world's oil supply would be essentially gone, (everything from Tehran to well past Cairo, including parts of Turkey, etc, would be under about a km of glass), thereby reducing the air pollution attributable to petroleum use, and it wouldn't be safe to go there for a couple of thousand years, so folks lucky enough to survive here on Earth would probably forget about that stuff. It's possible someone might come up with a solution more compatible with the interests of the folks who are central to the mid-east struggle, however, but this would certainly end the fighting. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor) > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, R. D. Davis wrote: > > > Why aren't the citizens in the U.K. up in arms over this and bashing > > the cameras with rocks and doing other things to render them > > ineffective? Why aren't effigies of the politicians who caused this > > to happen being burned in the streets? Anyone with a few functional > > brain cells should realize that such a system can easily cause many > > problems for innocent people. > > They should get guns and shoot them down! Oops, Englanders aren't allowed > to own guns. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > >> -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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Need manual for DCS FDK2 floppy controller

by vcf＠siconic.com

I need the documentation for a Distributed Computer Systems FDK2 8" floppy disk controller (multi-bus). Might anyone here have this? If so, please reply to me directly. Thanks!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Mannesmann Tally printer

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone have a manual for the MannesMann Tally MT 730 MobileWriter printer? I picked up a pile of them at a hamfest and they look like nice little printers but I have no instructions for them what so ever. Joe

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as > > part of the Mac's heritage. > > That's the only reason I'd have any interest in it. I remember playing > with a Lisa right about the time the 128K Mac showed up. My oldest Mac > is a 512Ke that my mother bought new, full-price as a 512K and paid to > upgrade (new ROMs, double-sided drive). My same exact experience... > I'm also a big Motorola 68K fan. One of my favorite jobs ever was hacking > COMBOARDs in assembly and C (8Mhz 68000 w/32K SRAM up to 2Mb DRAM). I'd worked with the IBM ARTIC card; it was 80186-based, but it would have been so much cooler and easier to program for had it been a 68k- based board. > > Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't > > those times... > > No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most of his > stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's asking $300. I > did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet adapters, complete with > docs, cables and software for $8, bare box only, $5. I want to turn an SE > or Plus into a localtalk gateway with that software from Apple's ftp site > that has been mentioned here once or twice. I've got one of those from another manufacturer; Nova or something similar. > I'll go back to the sale on Sunday and see what hasn't moved and offer the > guy about 20% of his asking prices on some stuff and see how bad he wants > to sell it. Sounds like a plan. Regards, -dq

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digital vax3300

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2001-07-07 robwill2(a)wxs.nl said to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Hi, >Does anyone know where in the net I can see a picture of >this computer?? >Thanks, >Robert I've got a MicroVAX 3300 in my living room, here it is: http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/lroom.html Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers (Mirrors: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ and http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/) Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I have the chance to pick up a Lisa CPU unit only. It has a 3.5" drive visible from the front, no cards visible from the outside (couldn't open the back to look in), and does not come with keyboard or mouse. On the back are a video out jack, two 25-pin serial connections, a reset button and an interrupt button. The power switch lights up and is next to the 1/4" keyboard jack. When I turn it on, the screen looks good and I can see it going through its paces. It complains that there is no keyboard. I have no idea how much one would cost, but I expect it's >$50. I do not know how to tell if has been "upgraded" to a Mac/XL or if it is original. What's a good price for most of a Lisa? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Space War?

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

The sum total of my knowledge on this is an article in Creative Computing magazine (Aug 1981, Vol 7, No 8) by J. Martin Graetz, one of the guys who wrote it. I see someone has already posted the URL: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/spacewar/ That's what got me to dig out the old article the other night. Graetz mentioned in the article that "Spacewar!" was ported to almost any machine of the day that had a scope. I don't know about being the "first game", but as far as arcade type game... I think it could lay a serious claim. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Space War? >As I understand it, the first video game ever was space war, written at MIT. > >Does anyone here know anything about a port of space war for the HP2115? > >Many years ago I purchased a 2115 from the MIT equipment exchange. Paper >lables on the front panel suggest that the machine at one time played space >war. > >I've kept the core unlatered, but the idea of reverse engineering whatever >code >may (or may not) be stored in core seems impractical. The machine had all its > >I/O boards removed before I got to it. > >I'm tempted to simply ignore the original contents of the core at this point, >and >load something interesting for VCF East, but before I alter it, I'd like to >ask if >anyone has heard of space war running on old HP mini's? > >

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Ultrix Netscape?

by optimus＠canit.se

There has been quite a lot of talk on the NetBSD/pmax list about an elusive version of Netscape for Ultrix. Has anyone ever seen such a beast? All indications I get from a Google search is that there never was an Ultrix port, but people on the list claim otherwise. Any Ultrix gurus around here who know? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." David McMinn

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digital vax3300

by robwill2＠wxs.nl

Hi, Does anyone know where in the net I can see a picture of this computer?? Thanks, Robert robwill2(a)wxs.nl

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