- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I recently found some Bell+Howell Iris boards in the dumpster behind a local computer repair place. They are 3 piggyback boards that fit in two PC(?) slots. One board is labeled "CPU" and has socketed TI 34010 Graphics Processor, socketed Bt454KPJ170 chip, a boot EPROM, and two different sets of 32 RAM chips (511000P-10 and D41264V-15). The EPROM is (c) 1986, the boards 1987 and 1988. There is a coax connector off the first board. The second board is labeled "Iris Printer/Scanner" and has a 26 pin header. The third board, which has a SCSI port, is labeled "Iris Decomp". Since these boards are sandwiched close to the first, I cannot see what is on them without taking them apart. I have 4 complete boards and one without the 2 socketed chips. Does anyone want one/more of them? You can have one for the cost of shipping. They weigh just over 2 pounds, so shipping would be $5.00 or a bit more. I gather that they are some sort of scanner interface/processor, but does anyone know more about them? Bob Feldman

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FT: BIG HAUL of MAINDEC paper tapes and DEC engineering drawings

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I just got in everything below. However, I have no use for / cant read the paper tapes, and the engineering drawings should go to someone who actually has the hardware and can use them. I'd like to trade off any/all of the following for other PDP-11 systems and gear, alternately for RAM or a G3 upgrade for a PowerMac 7600. I have yet to obtain a full "old style" -11 with the full blinkylighten front panel.. Not interested in making a profit, just trying to trade what I've got for excess hardware someone else might have... If interested in any of the below, please email me at mrbill(a)pdp11.org. Bill Paper Tapes: ------------ Tapes that have (looks new) came out of what appeared to be the original envelopes from DEC, and looked completely unused. as "new" as they can be after almost 30 years, I guess. Otherwise, tapes are in "good used" or "excellent" condition, as far as I can tell - I've never used a paper-tape reader. Most of these tapes are older than I am. 8-) PN Date Desc. -------------------------------------- (loose tapes, bound with rubber bands) MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 7/23/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST MAINDEC-11-DCKB2-A-PB 1/10/73 PDP-11/45 CONSOLE SWITCHES TEST MAINDEC-11-DCMFA-B-PB 5/11/73 COMBINED MOS (MS-11) & CORE (MF-11-LP, MALL-P) PARITY TESTS MAINDEC-11-DZKWA-A-PB 5/10/72 LINE FREQUENCY CLOCK TESTS (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZLAB-A-PB 7/1972 LC11/LA30 TERMINAL TESTS (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZITA-A-PB 11/12/75 INTERPROCESSOR TEST PROGRAM (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZDLD-B-PB 10/27/75 DL11 OVERLAY FOR INTERPROCESSOR TEST PROGRAM (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 10/31/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST (looks new) MAINDEC-11-DZDLC-A-PB 10/31/75 DL11-C,D, OR E OFF LINE TEST (looks new) (tapes in either a blue plastic tape carrier or plastic "holders" of some sort, excellent condition) MAINDEC-11-DCKBC-A-PB 3/15/72 XOR INSTRUCTION MAINDEC-11-DCKBR-B-PB 8/73 11/40-11/45 CPU PARITY TEST MAINDEC-11-DLAA-PB 3/30/70 BASIC ADDRESS TEST (UP) MAINDEC-11-DZMME-B-PB 10/11/72 MEMORY MOVING ONES AND ZEROES TEST MAINDEC-11-DZMMI-A-PB 5/15/72 RANDAT MAINDEC-11-DZMMJ-A-B 4/26/72 PDP-11 8K MEMORY SPECIAL MAINDEC-11-DZQMA-D-PB 8/14/72 MEMORY I/O EXERCISER MAINDEC-11-DZMMK-A-PB 6/7/72 UP-DOWN ADDRESS TEST MAINDEC-11-DDGTG-A-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 VISUAL DISPLAY TEST W/VR17 DISPLAY MAINDEC-11-DDGTE-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40 QUICK VERIFY TEST MAINDEC-11-DDGTD-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40 ROM VERIFY TEST MAINDEC-11-DDGTC-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 VISUAL DISPLAY TEST w/VR14 DISPLAY MAINDEC-11-DDGTA-C-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 INSTRUCTION TEST I MAINDEC-11-DDGTB-C-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 INSTRUCTION TEST II MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 11/26/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST MAINDEC-11-DZDLC-A-PB 11/26/75 DL11-C,D, & E OFF LINE TEST MAINDEC-11-DXQLJ-B-PR 1/27/76 DEC/X11 11/70 MONITOR LIBRARY MAINDEC-11-DXQLA-E1-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 MONITOR LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLD-I-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 COMMUNICATIONS OPTIONS LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLE-E-PR 1/27/76 DEC/X11 COMMUNICATIONS OPTIONS LIBRARY #2 MAINDEC-11-DXQAD-F-PB 1/23/76 DEC/X11 CONFIGURATOR PROGRAM MAINDEC-11-DXQLB-H-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 GENERAL PRODUCTS LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLC-H1-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 GENERAL PRODUCTS LIBRARY #2 MAINDEC-11-DXQLF-E-PR 1/23/76 LAB & INDUSTRIAL OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #1 MAINDEC-11-DXQLG-G-PR 1/23/76 LAB & INDUSTRIAL OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #2 MAINDEC-11-DXGLH-G1-PR 1/16/76 DEC/X11 NEW OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #1 Engineering drawing print sets: ------------------------------- 98% of these are originals, altho some are loose-pages instead of being bound or stapled together. I'm pretty sure everything is complete sets, with some duplicates in fact. Almost everything also has the yellow "print change" sheets with it as well (I guess thats what those are; I havent spent more than 10 minutes looking at them yet). FP11-B RK11-D TM-11 PDP-11/45 RK-05 RK-11D LPS-11-S LA30 VT11 DL11 MF11 LPS-11 G728 BC05P BC05N GT40 M7015 RP11-C H223 TU10A LA36 KT11-C MF11-LP G235 VR14 DR11-C DD11-C -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/9/01 8:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > Florida recently dropped their motorcycle helmet law too. Or rather > you don't hav eto wear a helmet if you have insurance. If you don't have > insurance then you still have to wear a helmet. Joe, what type of insurance are you referring to? AFAIK insurance is required for motorcycles same as it is for cars here in FL. IMHO it's crazy to be on a motorcycle without a helmet, so why not just abandon the helmet requirement and let Darwin have the last word . . . Glen 0/0

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Don't be the first to get voted off the mailing list!!!! > > 1 Million '386 PCs for the last person to get voted off :) I've been ignoring the off-topic rants- I hope there is *not* a serious discussion regarding voting someone off the list... even though it might be fun to kid about. My reasoning being, democracy becomes majoritarianism just prior to its becoming fascism... Regards, -doug q p.s. I really need all 1 million of those 386s for the Hypercube I'm thinking of building (just to bring it back on-topic...)

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > Some recent version (maybe 1.5, at least -current) of NetBSD will run on > that beast, but the best choice would be SunOs 4.1.3 That is the OS > this machine was build for. Is is a decent 4.2BSD UNIX derivate with > 4.3BSD and SysV enhancements. For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. Very recent NetBSD will run nicely on that machine as well. -Dave McGuire

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by kfergaso＠swbell.net

I've never heard of 4.1.4_U1, so if anyone has that, I would like to see it. Sun put out a 4.1.3_U1, and then 4.1.4. The companies I have worked at all had software support, so I believe I would have seen a _U1, but you never know. Kelly Hi Dave McGuire, you wrote on 7/9/01 4:37:48 PM: > > I thought it was 4.0.3, but it may be 4.0.2.. > > -Dave McGuire > >On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > > And 4.0.2 was the last for Roadrunners, right? > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. > > > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only? > > > > 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3 > > 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC > > > > -Dave McGuire > >

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PLATO Gallery (Was: RE: PLATO IV Terminal Update)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas, > > It should be CDC, several guys from CDC left and came to Atari at one > point to work in the Home Computer Division (1982-1984) and among their > projects were computers with built in modems for communications and also the > Plato Terminal Cartridge for the Atari 8bit computer systems. When the > service was running I used to logon, it was amazing to see the color > graphics and animation, all well before the advent of Mosiac and "the web" While CDC provided the mainframe hardware support, Donald Bitzer at the University of Illinois created PLATO. Around 1981, UofI and CDC parted ways, with both retaining ownership of PLATO. But every piece of CDC equipment I've ever said had the distinctive style of CDC equipment design, and the PLATO plasma display terminal didn't have the CDC look. Seems I vaguely recall being told 25 years ago that they were indeed made by Magnavox. PLATO still lives, you know, at least the UofI version does, as NovaNET. I've been granted access to NovaNET as a "distinguished visiting scholar". I've put a gallery of PLATO scren shots at: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/post-login.jpg http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/llist-index.jpg http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/recreation.jpg http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/choose.jpg and then a more complete gallery at: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/plato_index.html that brings you to a page that has thumbnails of the entire gallery. If you're on a slow link, you may want to jump straight to the first frame: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/plato/html/PlatoIV-00.html then you can "press" "Next" each frame to advance to the next. This way, it plays back a little bit like it looked on screen, except the tiny amount of animation the lesson provides can't be seen on these pages. I have a second gallery, showing the multi-user game EMPIRE, but right now I'm shy of space to upload it. Regards, -doug quebbeman

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SperryPC 384K memory board

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Found this a while back, and it's been sitting here ever since. Anyone interested in it, for trade or something maybe? Part number F5058-00 A (I think), serial number 47y791. I hate to let this kind of stuff just lay around, when someone could be using it! Contact me off-list, I'm not subscribed. Bob rschaefe(a)gcfn.org

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Stupid discussions and a Xerox floppy format question

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> There's a wide range of what folks perceive as reality. Yeah, my take on it all is that the sunspots have got to a few people on this list too. Oldham, Bradford, ClassicCmp.. "has the world gone mad or is it me?" :-) Now then, the real reason for my post: does anyone have a tool for formatting floppies in Xerox "Pilot" format, for use with GVWin? If not, does anyone have any docs relating to the Pilot format so that I could write my own formatter tool? Thanks in advance! Al

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Ended auction for qbus SCSI

by fernande＠internet1.net

Did anybody see this? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252001410 It went for $305.00! Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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VCF Down Under?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm currently running a survey for guaging the potential for a VCF in Australia. If you are interested in taking the survey and getting your vote in for a possible location, go to: http://www.vintage.org/2001/oz/survey.php G'day! :)~ Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Tandy TRS-80 Model 3 needs home

by vcf＠siconic.com

As always, reply to original sender. Reply-To: <John.Flaherty(a)intermec.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:53:31 -0700 From: John.Flaherty(a)intermec.com Subject: Tandy TRS 80 model-3 I am the owner of a Tandy TRS-80, model 3 which is looking for a home (presumably a collector) It is "pristine" * dust cover * dual disk drive * vintage '82 * 48K RAM * operator's manual * TRS-DOS manual * other stuff * a few disks probably including SuperScriptsit (word processor) * all original packing materials, includes box and padding (but these are not quite so "pristine") As far as I know it is in perfect working order, at least it was when put into storage (has not been powered-up since) --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Reading first of VMS 3.2 TU-58s now!

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Thanks to all and sundry for the help... I have a TU-58 drive from a VAX-11/730 sitting on top of my old PC, new rubber (tygon) rollers, a custom power cable, parts from a DataRAM chassis for a serial adapter, and PUTR from www.dbit.com all rolled together. I tested the rig by slurping up a three-tape set of Ultrix 2.2 standalone boot. Running "strings" on the first image reveals all the sorts of messages one would expect in a VAX boot program. In a few minutes, I hope to be looking at something similar for VMS 3.2. Got lots of tapes to read in. The process seems to run about 4 tapes per hour with all the seek time (the media is 4:1 interleaved which is supposed to improve performance on file access, but for a physical backup, it sucks). By tomorrow I should have something interesting. I wonder if any of the VAX emulators support console media? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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QBUS Board ID?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Chuck McManis wrote: > Ok, here is a stump the audience question. > > I've got a board that I found that was made by SMS. Its dual width, has a > 50 pin header that is terminated like a SCSI connection. A boatload of > chips one big one marked > > N8X305N A Not that this will help much, but the 8X305 is a zippy little microcontroller that was the predecessor of today's PIC family. -Dave McGuire

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Way too much computer stuff in my basement...any good ebay alternatives for unloading some of this? (ebay seller must now give credit card AND bank account info!)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all Some of you probably have seen some of my posts. I have given away a lot of computer stuff vintage and semi-vintage and traded a lot. I have trashed a lot lately. I recent years, I have accumulated way too much computer stuff (mostly vintage and semi-vintage) in my basement...I can only trade so much and trades arent really helping with the "space issue"... I dont wanna junk it and can see most of it can be used...I have paid some money for most of this... I have always "boycotted" ebay as both a seller and a buyer...now online auctions look like the only way to unload quickly the tons of stuff I have... Ill have to pack and ship but I was ready to give it a shot....rather then junk tons of working computers...and related equip... I have now gotten "cold feet" from signing up as a seller on US ebay (with good reason!) since now they ask for both credit card and complete checking bank account info!!! (how bout my fingerprints and social security no...?) Thats way too much info too have "floating around on the net" for me...even just giving my credit card is "unconfortable" for me... I can only imagine the ebay seller sign-ups going way down now...I know there is a lotta fraud on ebay but this is not a good idea for ebay IMO... I have also heard horror stories like paypal fetching funds from sellers bank accounts when stuff was undelivered or problems happened...gee... I could sign up for ebay canada, they only ask for credit card info (weird hey?) but would not be able to have the stuff listed on the US ebay....I have to open up a new account and given the bank account info to be on US ebay.... So anybody with any good alternatives to ebay? Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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RA90/RA81 drives available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Ordinarily I would be willing to do this, but my life is all but > > falling apart at the seams right now and I'm afraid I just don't have > > the cycles. I'm sorry, man.. > > sheesh, sounds quite bad, I hope you'll recover. Forget about the ' > drives and get your life back together! Thanks man, workin' on it...not much else to do but that... -Dave McGuire

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Attention NeXT Owners

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I acquired some NeXT stuff. At this point it does not looking too promising mostly due to the monitors (all mono). The ones I have fired up are very dim and require a flashlight to be able to read the screen. Some questions for the list: I have adjusted the screen control on terminals like the VT320, so I was wondering is there a comparable control in the NeXT N4000 monitor? Depending on the monitor situation, I may have some spares with regards to keyboards, mice, cables, etc. I was wondering if the keyboards and mice are hot swappable. Can I boot a machine and test several keyboards or mice without a reboot for each? Next I would like to know if there are any current owners that are looking for a specific item to get their machine up and running. Granted we all know that there are plenty of list members wanting to acquire the first NeXT, But at this point I don't know if I am going to have even one good complete machine out of the mess. Therefore I would like to hear from those that just need an item or two. I am not offering at this time, just trying to get some direction as I tackle the job of discovering what I have and what works. If and when I figure that out, I will post what is available. Thanks, Mike Thompson

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RA90/RA81 drives available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Ordinarily I would be willing to do this, but my life is all but falling apart at the seams right now and I'm afraid I just don't have the cycles. I'm sorry, man.. -Dave McGuire On July 9, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Just in case people haven't run in your door yet, would you consider > shipping me one or two of your RA90s? The shipping with UPS or USPS > should only be about $12 and I'm happy to pay for the required packaging. > > Thanks, > -Gunther > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Anyone interested in some RA90s? I have eight available for pickup > > in Laurel, MD. I also have a pair of RA81s in a short rack. Email me > > off-list to arrange pickup. First come (well, first email), first > > served. > > > > -Dave McGuire > > -- > Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org > Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care > Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine > tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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RA90/RA81 drives available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Anyone interested in some RA90s? I have eight available for pickup in Laurel, MD. I also have a pair of RA81s in a short rack. Email me off-list to arrange pickup. First come (well, first email), first served. -Dave McGuire

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ClassicCmp Survivor Series!

by vaxman＠qwest.net

Don't be the first to get voted off the mailing list!!!! 1 Million '386 PCs for the last person to get voted off :)

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Kelly Fergason wrote: > I've never heard of 4.1.4_U1, so if anyone has that, > I would like to see it. > > Sun put out a 4.1.3_U1, and then 4.1.4. The > companies I have worked at all had software support, > so I believe I would have seen a _U1, but you never know. It does indeed exist. I don't have it here, but I have run it. A thorough knowledge of C and friends willing to give you stolen copies of the source code is far better than any support Sun has ever offered. ;) -Dave McGuire

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MicroFiche scanner

by vaxman＠qwest.net

A local auction has a 4000 DPI drum scanner. Good enough to scan uFiche? By my calculations that would give 100-150 DPI, probably good enough for text, but a little weak for graphics.... Comments? Clint PS I'm going to bid on the fiche set on Ebay ;)

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Recent finds @ Indianapolis Hamfest

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I hadn't been to the Indy hamfest since the late 80's, so went Saturday to see what's new. In some ways, not much. There were still some of the same private vendors as years ago still selling the same stuff. As expected there was more computers and less radio stuff, but that's ok. I did notice that there were around 25-30 various Mac's for sale by individuals. Don't recall prices on these. I did notice that some things were not bargins. One vendor wanted more for current memory (128mb, 168 pin DIMM) than what I paid recently at Office Max. Another wanted $20 for a spindle of CD blanks, got the same thing recently for $5, again at Office Max. I guess it pays to stay current on local prices. There was one commercial vendor who had apparently bought out a mess of stuff from a store going out buisness or some such. Most of it was like the stuff you would find in a Kmart electronics department. All of this stuff was in blister packs, in boxes on several tables, every item for 50 cents. Among the goodies I found were a couple of IBM PC printer cables & an IBM PC keyboard extension cable. The rest was more general like stereo cables & adapters and cable TV stuff. Rummaged through a large bin of CD-ROMs and came away with Microsoft Office 97 Pro and the SR-2 Patch for it, both CD-ROMs for a $1 each. Found a book on FileMaker Pro 2.1 for 20 cents, then later bought the entire software package (still shrink-wrapped) for $1. All in all, a good days haul, and saw some old friends from the days I was more active in amatuer radio. May have to make an effort to visit more hamfests in the future. Mike Thompson

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 10:58 AM 7/6/01 -0400, joe wrote: > I can see it now, Ganja beer! Cannabis and the hop plant are so closely related, you can graft the roots of one to the stem of the other. - John

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COPY 190

by rachael_＠gmx.net

on 09-Jul-01 03:48:59 Iggy Drougge wrote >Then we found a program called COPY 190 on one of the tapes. It looked very >promising, presenting the user with a menu allowing for transfers between >tapes and disks in any direction. Only it seemed to have one serious bug: it >didn't handle file names with spaces, and just about every file on the tapes >had spaces in them. Has anyone got any experience with this program or any >tips? You can use a wildcard "Army*" then it will find anything starting with army and it will ask if you want to load it. Or if your know the where the program starts on the tape, you can just forward to that place and instead of writing the name simply type * , then will load the first program it finds and afterwards it will prompt for what name to save it under. Remember if you runs copy190 with ABC turbo drive 8 will become unit 9 instead. regards Jacob Dahl Pind -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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SCSI Ethernet adapters (was: How much is a partial Lisa worth?)

by jruschme＠mac.com

> > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:40:53 -0700 >From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >Subject: Re: How much is a partial Lisa worth? > >>>No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most >>>of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's >>>asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet >>>adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box >>>only, $5. >>> >>Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for >>a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time! >> > >They aren't rare, I am sure you had one in your hand last time you were >here. Asante EN SC, but I wouldn't use one for a SE/30 unless there was a >good reason why I couldn't use an internal card. > Mike, you've seen more than I have, but based on my experience, I'd say the the most common ones are the Dayna and the Asante ones. The rarest would seem to be the Cabletron (the only one only one with a publised API) and the Kinetics. Personally, I'd love to find a Kinetics one just to test a theory that it is command compatible with the Cabletron. As for why not use an internal SE/30 card? Probably the best reason is if you've already got the Xceed video card. :-) <<<john>>>

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Indy2

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Well, depending on the configuration, the Indigo2 (which I'm assuming you're talking about) can be worth a little or a lot, as someone indicated earlier, which means around $100 to $1000 on eBay, and around $250 to $1500 from a reseller. The system was available with a myriad of processor options (R4x00, R8000, R10000) and video cards (XL,XZ,Elan,Extreme,SI,HI,MI), which are the two factors that primarily affect the price of the computer. Things that increase price: * High-clocked R4400 (200, 250 MHz) or R10000 processor. * IMPACT-ready (purple chassis with SolidImpact, HighImpact, or MaxImpact) * TRAM upgrade installed if system is IMPACT-ready * Internal CD-ROM installed on sled * Large drives and lots of RAM Things that tend to be cheaper: * Lower-clocked R4000, R4600 (100, 133, 150 MHz) * R8000 chip (I think it's a diamond in the rough, 75 MHz) * Non-IMPACT systems (teal chassis with XL, XZ, Elan, or Extreme) * Stripped of RAM and hard disk, no sleds. * Damaged plastics (expensive to replace!) I've got two Indigo2 machines, personally, an R8000/75 and an R4400/250, both with Extreme graphics, and they run wonderfully with IRIX 6.2 and are more than capable of doing anything that I need them to do. They do tend to have a little bit higher resale value than, say, a Sun or a DEC, but, IMHO, a SGI of a given vintage tends to be a little bit more usable as a WORKSTATION than a Sun or a DEC of similar vintage (no flames, please!) :) That said, I'd take a DEC or a Sun as a SERVER over a SGI in most cases. Best of luck with it! --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I thought it was 4.0.3, but it may be 4.0.2.. -Dave McGuire On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > > And 4.0.2 was the last for Roadrunners, right? > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. > > > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only? > > > > 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3 > > 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC > > > > -Dave McGuire > >

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4. > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only? 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC -Dave McGuire

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getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tom Owad <owad(a)applefritter.com> wrote: > What's the proper way of removing cards from a Sparcserver 470? I > thought you just pushed out on those plastic tabs and the card would > disconnect and could then be pulled out. Undo the two hex-head screws at the narrow edges of the card's back plate, then push on the plastic tabs (which are card lifters). Just like any other VME Sun. I'm thinking you want to push the tabs away from the center of the card, but it's been a while. -Frank McConnell

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Frank McConnell wrote: > though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal > housing a couple of IPI disk drives. There's also a SCSI chassis of the same form factor. -Dave McGuire

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

More correctly, a 4/400 processor in an 80-series rackmount chassis is a 4/480. -Dave McGuire On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > > I think the rackmount version of the 4/470 was called the 4/480. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On 9 Jul 2001, Frank McConnell wrote: > > > Sridhar Ayengar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > > > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a > > > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon. > > > > 4/470 is a wide deskside pedestal housing VME chassis, power supply, > > and a couple 5.25" full-height bays. At least the one I used to use > > was; I can imagine the guts being repackaged to fit in a 19" rack > > though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal > > housing a couple of IPI disk drives. > > > > -Frank McConnell > >

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sridhar Ayengar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon. 4/470 is a wide deskside pedestal housing VME chassis, power supply, and a couple 5.25" full-height bays. At least the one I used to use was; I can imagine the guts being repackaged to fit in a 19" rack though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal housing a couple of IPI disk drives. -Frank McConnell

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Sparcserver 490 (was: getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon. 4/670-714? I've never seen the "-714" nomenclature before. Might want to double-check that. Sun VME chassis Beige series x/x10: very narrow deskside or desktop box, 3 slot 9U VME x/x50: narrow deskside box, 6 slot 9U VME x/x60: deskside rollaround chassis, 12 slot 9U VME x/x80: rackmount cube chassis, 12 slot 9U VME, roughly 2'x2'x2', 2x 5.25: FH drive bays Purple series x/x30: narrow deskside box, 3 slot 9U VME, 2 slot 6U VME, two memory slots, two 5.25" FH drive bays x/x70: wide deskside box, 12 slot 9U VME, 4x 5.25" FH drive bays x/x90: tall rack, 16 slot 9U VME CPUs that work in these chassis M68K: 3/50, 3/60, 3/100, 3/110*, 3/200, 3/400 SPARC: 4/100, 4/200, 4/300, 4/400, 4/600 * = departure from standard numbering scheme -Dave McGuire

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VMS Timeline and more

by pechter＠ureach.com

---- On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Zane H. Healy (healyzh(a)aracnet.com) wrote: > I was just poking around on the net, killing some time while watching > something I've got running at work, so I decided to see what I could dig > up > on VMS. Anyway I just found a *very* interesting page. > > http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hist.html > > It has release dates and major feature changes from V1 - V7.2. BTW, > for > those that don't know V7.3 was released a couple months ago. Anyway > it's > an interesting page. > > It looks like http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/ might be worth looking > through also. Such as http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hw.html > which > lists minimum OS versions for the various systems. > > Anyway I don't know who dug all this info up and created these pages, > but > they look to have a bunch of info I've been looking for, for a long > time. > > Zane > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Classic Computer Collector | Are you sure they're correct... I thought VAX/VMS had edt in v2.0 or 2.2 at the latest. Is he thinking of the port of EDT to native mode? I thought EVE TPU stuff came out in 3.x... Bill -- Bill Pechter Systems Administrator

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Snappy MacTV

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

>Bad solder joint on the crt or power supply. > >JAG >>The display exhibits multiple problems; >> A nasty moire type pattern >> Crackling, shorting type sounds >> Display collapses with each crack, which occur several per second. >> >>So far I have booted the unit a couple times to be sure it wasn't some >>temporary condition, and tonight I swapped out the analog board with no >>change. >> >>Any ideas? I am thinking maybe the tube is hosed, but I am unfamiliar with >>this type of failure. Fortunately I have no shortage of 57x donor machines, >>but I don't want to swap the tube if it isn't a likely fix. It sure feels, smells more like a short than an open, but I will take another look. Plus I did swap the entire analog board including the tin can on the back of the CRT. What I may do next is pop off the back and power the unit up in a dark room tonight. BTW what do you mean exactly by bad solder joint on the CRT? *** update I took off the back and booted the system in a dark room just now, and the light show is all from the inside of the neck of the CRT. With the power off I don't "see" any damaged areas, but it sure was active with the power on, flashes, glowing areas that looked almost like embers, very sci fi. This must mean the CRT is toast right? or could something else cause this?(given the whole analog board was swapped out with no change).

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getting cards out of a Sparcserver 470

by owad＠applefritter.com

What's the proper way of removing cards from a Sparcserver 470? I thought you just pushed out on those plastic tabs and the card would disconnect and could then be pulled out. They're not budging and I even broke one of those plastic tabs trying to get them out. Am I doing something wrong? Any other way to get the things out of there? Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Ripping Apart Old Computers

by MTPro＠aol.com

<< From: Jim Davis <jimdavis(a)gorge.net> Subject: Re: Off Topic Crap - Stop It Now! Bwahahaha, This from someone who rips apart computers for wall hangings and office trophies, then spams his "products" on multiple newsgroups. Piss off AOL boy. >> Everyone, just to clarify, I have never torn apart any computer. I have about a dozen and a half original Mac logic boards which I have sourced over the years from smalltime and major Apple dealers. All were sold to me as specifically inoperable or in an unknown operational condition. So far, I have only framed a few of them and sold them as historical computer art. The original Mac logic board is a nice example of an integrated board which contains all of the main components of the personal computer - cpu, RAM, ROM, disk controllers, other I/O, etc. I will be selling a few of these at the VCF East and they may or may not go over. I see no problem with this, some of you may. But, either way, I have more respect for older computers than to destroy them. I use AOL. But, let's say I also choose to be a Catholic. Let's say I choose to drive a Ford. Let's say I like the Washington Redskins. For anyone who thought that Jim's comments were appropriate, I'll help you out: Piss off Catholic boy! Piss off Ford boy! Piss off Redskin's boy! This kind of prejudice is not funny. And, prejudice is prejudice, even if directed at personal choices versus attributes born with. Thank you, David

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Wanted : SCSI 9-track tape unit

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi fellow collectors, Does anybody have a SCSI 9-track tape unit they would be willing to part with ? I prefer as close to The Netherlands as possible but any offers are welcome. Thanks. Stefan Mansier.

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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

> That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is needed > to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would > be rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil. To Chad and others, yes this is the same oil used to fry french fries at McDonalds etc. And yes you can run your diesel engine on it. Diesels will burn most anything that can be flowed through them. A friend of mine did this (put a combination of vegetable oil and a thinner) into his car when he went in for his California emissions check. Since vegetable oil breaks down into slightly different components he really confused the guys but he passed! Building a methanol digester is probably the best. --Chuck

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Denver Finds -- still avail

by mauger＠senet.com.au

Hi, I'm interested in finding someone who might have experience in downloading data from an old NEC APC to a current Pentium machine. Alan Mauger mauger(a)senet.com.au

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DC-30 tape ??

by kristiehahn＠hotmail.com

DO YOU STILL HAVE THEM???

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SGI Indy2

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 18:59, geoffr wrote: > Wht is one worth? (roughly) A lot, because it would be unique. I think you mean an Indigo2 :-) There are Indigos, Indigo2s, and Indys, but no Indy2. The value will depend on the graphics option(s), the processor, and to a lesser extent on the memory and the disks. I bought a low-spec one a few months ago for ?50, without keyboard, disk, or drive sled. One with the fanciest graphics and a fast processor could outperform most PCs for some types of 3D work, and would be worth 5-10 times as much as mine. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP Exemplar (excuse me!)

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

As someone probably noticed already, the HP/Convex Exemplar series of machines were actually SMP, rather than MPP, supercomputers. My apologies! Another aside, if anyone was curious, the name of that proprietary UNIX that they ran was SPP-UX. --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be of f ensive, possible humor)

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

very true, fossil oil will remain the dominant fuel for the forseeable ( until the end of my lifetime anyway ) future. However, if you've got a couple of acres ( not yet ) or live in the middle of a couple of chip fat users ( I do ) it is possible to a - actually do something for the environment whilst still having a life with the outside world. b - live a damn site more cheaply than previously ( we're also looking into oil fired heating/cooking ). c - stuff the UK government for the tax ( which is pretty bad over here in the UK ). You're also right about it not being viable to demand every car to run on old chip fat. Granted and very true. I'm just lucky enough to have stumbled accross the receipe, be dumb enough to give it a bash ( wife wondered for around a week what the smell was before I told her ) and have some local shops be prepared to let me have their 'waste'. It's also helping them reduce their costs ( they don't have to pay for the oil to be taken away ). Finally, and I don't want this to turn into a great big 'green' rave ( this *is* classic computing after all ), I can't see any issue with using bioD is any form. If it drives up the demand for oil based plants ( and I guess this goes the same for wood and ethanol ( right one ? ) ), then more places will grow it. If more places grow it there will be more of the carbon sinks the US are so fond of touting as their reason not to ratify the Kyoto thingie ( falme war ahead, beware ). As someone who is now quite happily self suff. in transport fuel and hopefully domestic fuel shortly, it doesn't bother me whether other people take up bioD. I wish they would as I think it would be a better idea than drilling more holes in the only place we've got. Mmmm, said too much already, I can hear the white coats being unrapped as we speak ;-) Anyway, about this VAX I've got ...... Have fun D -----Original Message----- From: rigdonj Sent: 09 July 2001 16:00 To: classiccmp Cc: rigdonj Subject: RE: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor) At 02:57 PM 7/9/01 +0100, David wrote: >bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on >biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently >running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the >local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an >'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come >along a offer to take it away for free ). That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is needed to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would be rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil. There simply isn't enough of it around. That's the same problem with alcohol, there isn't enough for it to be a viable fuel source. Yes, we could make more but at what price and with what kind of sacrifices? (more grain used to produce alcohol = less grain for food producton = higher food prices). Like it or not, gasoline will remain the major fuel source for the forseeable future. Joe Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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HP Exemplar

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

The Exemplar was a MPP supercomputer based upon the PA-RISC chip produced by Convex, which is now owned by HP. It ran a proprietary version of UNIX. It's probably not the rarest thing in the world, but I wouldn't mind having one around. How often do you get the chance to have a supercomputer around the house? :) --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Best ways to drive a Tektronix terminal?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

What model George? Your description fits many of the Tek monsters, but I think the earliest is the 4010 IIRC. This would be a great terminal to save, there are few now. Most all Tek terminals used a serial port and 4010 graphics I think. My books are still packed away from the move. Paxton Astoria, Oregon

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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor)

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an 'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come along a offer to take it away for free ). Cheers D -----Original Message----- From: rigdonj Sent: 09 July 2001 14:25 To: classiccmp Cc: rigdonj Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor) Sorry for continuing this thread but I couldn't let this one pass! At 03:00 PM 7/8/01 -0400, Chad wrote: >Joe, > >I originally meant to send this a few days ago. I wrote it off-line and >it has been sitting in my out-box, but here goes :-) > >I don't think "crisis" is quite accurate. The oil industry has had >several refineries burn, and who knows, maybe some of them are old or >undersize. I think you need to do your home work. The oil companies have been shutting down refineries. They've shutdown almost 30% of the refineries in this country in the last ten years. > They may need to build more. or rebuild burned ones. The >electricity problems comes from growing and growing use, without >appropriate updates on the power system. That's very true but the problems with the electrical power industry are due to a shortage of generating stations (particularly in California) and has NOTHING to do with oil refinery capacity or any supposed oil shortage. >Drilling in new locations isn't supposed to increase refinery capacity. >It is part of a longer range solution. Horseshit! They're closing down wells everyday and have been for years! Take a drive through Lousianna sometime! I was in Alaska a couple of years ago and toured nearly the full length of the Alaskan pipeline. Even it's only running at about 40% of it's capacity. The only reason that they want to drill in ANWAR and GOM is because the oil companies want a CHEAPER source of oil so they can increase their already record profits! That's the same reason that the US continues to import oil from the middle east. Even with their price increases it's still cheaper to buy their oil than it is to produce our own. If the government is serious about a "long range solutions" then they should mandate that ALL cars achive 30mpg by say 2006, then raise it to 35mpg by 2011, then 40 mpg by 2016, etc until we achive the best practicle mileage. 50 mpg is very possible, a number of standard production cars have already achived it. That's only one step, there are hundreds if not thousands of other practicle solutions. Another solution would be to mandate solar hot water heaters in all homes. I have one in my home and it's been my only source of hot water for over 15 years and I've never run out of hot water. > Drilling in new locations is >something a lot of countries are doing. Sure, because they all want to be independent of foreign sources and because it's a huge source of revenue. > Drilling in the North Sea is >being done now, or maybe deeper water than normal..... I don't recall. >I have seen a show on Discovery or TLC about the building of the >platform. It was a huge engineering feat the way they built it. Yes, the engineering is impressive but again that has nothing to do with the "nessesicity" for drilling in ANWAR or GOM. >Personally, I'd like to see a move away from oil, not totally, but maybe >a diversification. I'd like to see cars powered by grain alcohol, >although I admit, I don't really know any specifics. I know a good bit about alcohol powered vehicles, I've been experimenting with them since the late 60s. Alcohol is not nearly as powerfull, cost effective or as efficient as gasoline. Alcohol also has major incompatibilities with the components of automotive fuel systems. A number of companies have tried selling gasoline with alcohol added but AFIK they're all dropped it due to the cost, performance and other problems. > Something might >have to be done about people drinking the contents of ones gas tank :-) That would cure the population problem! Nearly all of the alcohol sold in this country, including that used in fuel, is either nearly pure methyl alcohol or has methyl alcohol, formaldahyde or other poisons added to it to "de-nature" it. "De-natured" is a polite way of saying that it's poisonous! The government requires that expressly so that people won't be able to drink it. Let's burn gasoline in our cars (at least till something better comes along) and save the grain alcohol for drinking! Joe Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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HP Exemplar

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Um, I guess that depends on if you like supercomputers or not... So personally, I'd say you missed out.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Fwd: A Few Good Lessons was:Re: OT: Stupid discussions about Dick's silly ideas

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Sellam wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Sellam wrote: OK it's time to stop this pointless bickering. Here's something else to think about. I particularly like the one at the end of the lesson. Joe >Lesson Number One >A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small rabbit saw >the crow, and asked him, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing all day >long?" The crow answered: "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground >below the crow, and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the >rabbit and ate it. >Management Lesson: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting >very, very high up. > >Lesson Number Two >A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the >top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well, >why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're >packed with Nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that >it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree. >The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. >Finally after a fourth night, there he was proudly perched at the top of the >Tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of >the tree. >Management Lesson: Bull crap might get you to the top, but it won't keep >you there. > >Lesson Number Three >When the body was first made, all the parts wanted to be Boss. The brain >said, "I should be Boss because I control the whole body's responses and >functions." The feet said, "We should be Boss as we carry the brain about >and get him to where he wants to go." The hands said, "We should be the Boss >because we do all the work and earn all the money." And so it went on and >on with the heart, the lungs and the eyes until finally the asshole spoke >up. All the parts laughed at the idea of the asshole being the Boss. So the >asshole went on strike, blocked itself up and refused to work. Within a >short time the eyes became crossed, the hands clenched, the feet twitched, >the heart and lungs began to panic and the brain fevered. Eventually they >all decided that the asshole should be the Boss, so the motion was passed. >All the other parts did all the work while the Boss just sat and passed out >the crap! >Management Lesson: You don't need brains to be a Boss - any asshole will >do. > >Lesson Number Four >A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird >froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a >cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in >the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was >actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to >sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to >investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the >pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him! >Management Lesson: >1) Not everyone who craps on you is your enemy. >2) Not everyone who gets you out of crap is your friend. >3) And when you're in deep doodoo, keep your mouth shut! > >END OF LESSON! > >Sometimes a majority means that all the fools are on one side.

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