I recently found some Bell+Howell Iris boards in the dumpster behind a local
computer repair place. They are 3 piggyback boards that fit in two PC(?)
slots. One board is labeled "CPU" and has socketed TI 34010 Graphics
Processor, socketed Bt454KPJ170 chip, a boot EPROM, and two different sets
of 32 RAM chips (511000P-10 and D41264V-15). The EPROM is (c) 1986, the
boards 1987 and 1988. There is a coax connector off the first board. The
second board is labeled "Iris Printer/Scanner" and has a 26 pin header. The
third board, which has a SCSI port, is labeled "Iris Decomp". Since these
boards are sandwiched close to the first, I cannot see what is on them
without taking them apart.
I have 4 complete boards and one without the 2 socketed chips.
Does anyone want one/more of them? You can have one for the cost of
shipping. They weigh just over 2 pounds, so shipping would be $5.00 or a bit
more.
I gather that they are some sort of scanner interface/processor, but does
anyone know more about them?
Bob Feldman
I just got in everything below. However, I have no use for / cant
read the paper tapes, and the engineering drawings should go to someone
who actually has the hardware and can use them. I'd like to trade off
any/all of the following for other PDP-11 systems and gear, alternately
for RAM or a G3 upgrade for a PowerMac 7600. I have yet to obtain a
full "old style" -11 with the full blinkylighten front panel..
Not interested in making a profit, just trying to trade what I've got for
excess hardware someone else might have...
If interested in any of the below, please email me at mrbill(a)pdp11.org.
Bill
Paper Tapes:
------------
Tapes that have (looks new) came out of what appeared to be the original
envelopes from DEC, and looked completely unused. as "new" as they can
be after almost 30 years, I guess. Otherwise, tapes are in "good used"
or "excellent" condition, as far as I can tell - I've never used a
paper-tape reader.
Most of these tapes are older than I am. 8-)
PN Date Desc.
--------------------------------------
(loose tapes, bound with rubber bands)
MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 7/23/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST
MAINDEC-11-DCKB2-A-PB 1/10/73 PDP-11/45 CONSOLE SWITCHES TEST
MAINDEC-11-DCMFA-B-PB 5/11/73 COMBINED MOS (MS-11) & CORE
(MF-11-LP, MALL-P) PARITY TESTS
MAINDEC-11-DZKWA-A-PB 5/10/72 LINE FREQUENCY CLOCK TESTS (looks new)
MAINDEC-11-DZLAB-A-PB 7/1972 LC11/LA30 TERMINAL TESTS (looks new)
MAINDEC-11-DZITA-A-PB 11/12/75 INTERPROCESSOR TEST PROGRAM (looks new)
MAINDEC-11-DZDLD-B-PB 10/27/75 DL11 OVERLAY FOR INTERPROCESSOR TEST PROGRAM
(looks new)
MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 10/31/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST (looks new)
MAINDEC-11-DZDLC-A-PB 10/31/75 DL11-C,D, OR E OFF LINE TEST (looks new)
(tapes in either a blue plastic tape carrier or plastic "holders" of some
sort, excellent condition)
MAINDEC-11-DCKBC-A-PB 3/15/72 XOR INSTRUCTION
MAINDEC-11-DCKBR-B-PB 8/73 11/40-11/45 CPU PARITY TEST
MAINDEC-11-DLAA-PB 3/30/70 BASIC ADDRESS TEST (UP)
MAINDEC-11-DZMME-B-PB 10/11/72 MEMORY MOVING ONES AND ZEROES TEST
MAINDEC-11-DZMMI-A-PB 5/15/72 RANDAT
MAINDEC-11-DZMMJ-A-B 4/26/72 PDP-11 8K MEMORY SPECIAL
MAINDEC-11-DZQMA-D-PB 8/14/72 MEMORY I/O EXERCISER
MAINDEC-11-DZMMK-A-PB 6/7/72 UP-DOWN ADDRESS TEST
MAINDEC-11-DDGTG-A-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 VISUAL DISPLAY TEST W/VR17 DISPLAY
MAINDEC-11-DDGTE-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40 QUICK VERIFY TEST
MAINDEC-11-DDGTD-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40 ROM VERIFY TEST
MAINDEC-11-DDGTC-B-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 VISUAL DISPLAY TEST w/VR14 DISPLAY
MAINDEC-11-DDGTA-C-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 INSTRUCTION TEST I
MAINDEC-11-DDGTB-C-PB 11/26/75 GT40/GT44 INSTRUCTION TEST II
MAINDEC-11-DZDLB-A-PB 11/26/75 DL11-E ON LINE TEST
MAINDEC-11-DZDLC-A-PB 11/26/75 DL11-C,D, & E OFF LINE TEST
MAINDEC-11-DXQLJ-B-PR 1/27/76 DEC/X11 11/70 MONITOR LIBRARY
MAINDEC-11-DXQLA-E1-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 MONITOR LIBRARY #1
MAINDEC-11-DXQLD-I-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 COMMUNICATIONS OPTIONS LIBRARY #1
MAINDEC-11-DXQLE-E-PR 1/27/76 DEC/X11 COMMUNICATIONS OPTIONS LIBRARY #2
MAINDEC-11-DXQAD-F-PB 1/23/76 DEC/X11 CONFIGURATOR PROGRAM
MAINDEC-11-DXQLB-H-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 GENERAL PRODUCTS LIBRARY #1
MAINDEC-11-DXQLC-H1-PR 1/23/76 DEC/X11 GENERAL PRODUCTS LIBRARY #2
MAINDEC-11-DXQLF-E-PR 1/23/76 LAB & INDUSTRIAL OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #1
MAINDEC-11-DXQLG-G-PR 1/23/76 LAB & INDUSTRIAL OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #2
MAINDEC-11-DXGLH-G1-PR 1/16/76 DEC/X11 NEW OPTIONS MODULE LIBRARY #1
Engineering drawing print sets:
-------------------------------
98% of these are originals, altho some are loose-pages instead of
being bound or stapled together. I'm pretty sure everything is complete
sets, with some duplicates in fact. Almost everything also has the
yellow "print change" sheets with it as well (I guess thats what those
are; I havent spent more than 10 minutes looking at them yet).
FP11-B
RK11-D
TM-11
PDP-11/45
RK-05
RK-11D
LPS-11-S
LA30
VT11
DL11
MF11
LPS-11
G728
BC05P
BC05N
GT40
M7015
RP11-C
H223
TU10A
LA36
KT11-C
MF11-LP
G235
VR14
DR11-C
DD11-C
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
In a message dated 7/9/01 8:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
> Florida recently dropped their motorcycle helmet law too. Or rather
> you don't hav eto wear a helmet if you have insurance. If you don't have
> insurance then you still have to wear a helmet.
Joe, what type of insurance are you referring to? AFAIK insurance is
required for motorcycles same as it is for cars here in FL.
IMHO it's crazy to be on a motorcycle without a helmet, so why not just
abandon the helmet requirement and let Darwin have the last word . . .
Glen
0/0
> Don't be the first to get voted off the mailing list!!!!
>
> 1 Million '386 PCs for the last person to get voted off :)
I've been ignoring the off-topic rants- I hope there is
*not* a serious discussion regarding voting someone off
the list... even though it might be fun to kid about.
My reasoning being, democracy becomes majoritarianism
just prior to its becoming fascism...
Regards,
-doug q
p.s. I really need all 1 million of those 386s for the
Hypercube I'm thinking of building (just to bring it
back on-topic...)
On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
> Some recent version (maybe 1.5, at least -current) of NetBSD will run on
> that beast, but the best choice would be SunOs 4.1.3 That is the OS
> this machine was build for. Is is a decent 4.2BSD UNIX derivate with
> 4.3BSD and SysV enhancements.
For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4.
Very recent NetBSD will run nicely on that machine as well.
-Dave McGuire
I've never heard of 4.1.4_U1, so if anyone has that,
I would like to see it.
Sun put out a 4.1.3_U1, and then 4.1.4. The
companies I have worked at all had software support,
so I believe I would have seen a _U1, but you never know.
Kelly
Hi Dave McGuire, you wrote on 7/9/01 4:37:48 PM:
>
> I thought it was 4.0.3, but it may be 4.0.2..
>
> -Dave McGuire
>
>On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>
> And 4.0.2 was the last for Roadrunners, right?
>
> Peace... Sridhar
>
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> > On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
> > > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4.
> > > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3
only?
> >
> > 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3
> > 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC
> >
> > -Dave McGuire
> >
> Douglas,
>
> It should be CDC, several guys from CDC left and came to Atari at one
> point to work in the Home Computer Division (1982-1984) and among their
> projects were computers with built in modems for communications and also the
> Plato Terminal Cartridge for the Atari 8bit computer systems. When the
> service was running I used to logon, it was amazing to see the color
> graphics and animation, all well before the advent of Mosiac and "the web"
While CDC provided the mainframe hardware support, Donald Bitzer at the
University of Illinois created PLATO. Around 1981, UofI and CDC parted
ways, with both retaining ownership of PLATO.
But every piece of CDC equipment I've ever said had the distinctive
style of CDC equipment design, and the PLATO plasma display terminal
didn't have the CDC look. Seems I vaguely recall being told 25 years
ago that they were indeed made by Magnavox.
PLATO still lives, you know, at least the UofI version does, as
NovaNET. I've been granted access to NovaNET as a "distinguished
visiting scholar".
I've put a gallery of PLATO scren shots at:
http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/post-login.jpghttp://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/llist-index.jpghttp://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/recreation.jpghttp://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/choose.jpg
and then a more complete gallery at:
http://members.iglou.com/dougq/plato_index.html
that brings you to a page that has thumbnails of the entire
gallery. If you're on a slow link, you may want to jump
straight to the first frame:
http://members.iglou.com/dougq/plato/html/PlatoIV-00.html
then you can "press" "Next" each frame to advance to the next.
This way, it plays back a little bit like it looked on screen,
except the tiny amount of animation the lesson provides can't
be seen on these pages.
I have a second gallery, showing the multi-user game EMPIRE,
but right now I'm shy of space to upload it.
Regards,
-doug quebbeman
Found this a while back, and it's been sitting here ever since. Anyone
interested in it, for trade or something maybe? Part number F5058-00 A (I
think), serial number 47y791. I hate to let this kind of stuff just lay
around, when someone could be using it! Contact me off-list, I'm not
subscribed.
Bob
rschaefe(a)gcfn.org
> There's a wide range of what folks perceive as reality.
Yeah, my take on it all is that the sunspots have got to a few people on
this list too. Oldham, Bradford, ClassicCmp.. "has the world gone mad or is
it me?" :-)
Now then, the real reason for my post: does anyone have a tool for
formatting floppies in Xerox "Pilot" format, for use with GVWin? If not,
does anyone have any docs relating to the Pilot format so that I could write
my own formatter tool?
Thanks in advance!
Al
I'm currently running a survey for guaging the potential for a VCF in
Australia.
If you are interested in taking the survey and getting your vote in for a
possible location, go to:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/oz/survey.php
G'day! :)~
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
As always, reply to original sender.
Reply-To: <John.Flaherty(a)intermec.com>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:53:31 -0700
From: John.Flaherty(a)intermec.com
Subject: Tandy TRS 80 model-3
I am the owner of a Tandy TRS-80, model 3 which is looking for a home
(presumably a collector)
It is "pristine"
* dust cover
* dual disk drive
* vintage '82
* 48K RAM
* operator's manual
* TRS-DOS manual
* other stuff
* a few disks probably including SuperScriptsit (word processor)
* all original packing materials, includes box and padding (but these
are not quite so "pristine")
As far as I know it is in perfect working order, at least it was when put
into storage (has not been powered-up since)
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Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Thanks to all and sundry for the help... I have a TU-58 drive from a VAX-11/730
sitting on top of my old PC, new rubber (tygon) rollers, a custom power cable,
parts from a DataRAM chassis for a serial adapter, and PUTR from www.dbit.com
all rolled together.
I tested the rig by slurping up a three-tape set of Ultrix 2.2 standalone
boot. Running "strings" on the first image reveals all the sorts of
messages one would expect in a VAX boot program. In a few minutes, I
hope to be looking at something similar for VMS 3.2.
Got lots of tapes to read in. The process seems to run about 4 tapes per
hour with all the seek time (the media is 4:1 interleaved which is supposed
to improve performance on file access, but for a physical backup, it sucks).
By tomorrow I should have something interesting. I wonder if any of the
VAX emulators support console media?
-ethan
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On July 9, Chuck McManis wrote:
> Ok, here is a stump the audience question.
>
> I've got a board that I found that was made by SMS. Its dual width, has a
> 50 pin header that is terminated like a SCSI connection. A boatload of
> chips one big one marked
>
> N8X305N A
Not that this will help much, but the 8X305 is a zippy little
microcontroller that was the predecessor of today's PIC family.
-Dave McGuire
Hi all
Some of you probably have seen some of my posts.
I have given away a lot of computer stuff vintage and semi-vintage and
traded a lot. I have trashed a lot lately.
I recent years, I have accumulated way too much computer stuff (mostly
vintage and semi-vintage) in my basement...I can only trade so much and
trades arent really helping with the "space issue"...
I dont wanna junk it and can see most of it can be used...I have paid some
money for most of this...
I have always "boycotted" ebay as both a seller and a buyer...now online
auctions look like the only way to unload quickly the tons of stuff I
have... Ill have to pack and ship but I was ready to give it a
shot....rather then junk tons of working computers...and related equip...
I have now gotten "cold feet" from signing up as a seller on US ebay (with
good reason!) since now they ask for both credit card and complete checking
bank account info!!! (how bout my fingerprints and social security no...?)
Thats way too much info too have "floating around on the net" for me...even
just giving my credit card is "unconfortable" for me...
I can only imagine the ebay seller sign-ups going way down now...I know
there is a lotta fraud on ebay but this is not a good idea for ebay IMO...
I have also heard horror stories like paypal fetching funds from sellers
bank accounts when stuff was undelivered or problems happened...gee...
I could sign up for ebay canada, they only ask for credit card info (weird
hey?) but would not be able to have the stuff listed on the US ebay....I
have to open up a new account and given the bank account info to be on US
ebay....
So anybody with any good alternatives to ebay?
Claude
http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector
On July 9, Gunther Schadow wrote:
> > Ordinarily I would be willing to do this, but my life is all but
> > falling apart at the seams right now and I'm afraid I just don't have
> > the cycles. I'm sorry, man..
>
> sheesh, sounds quite bad, I hope you'll recover. Forget about the '
> drives and get your life back together!
Thanks man, workin' on it...not much else to do but that...
-Dave McGuire
I acquired some NeXT stuff. At this point it does not looking too
promising mostly due to the monitors (all mono). The ones I have
fired up are very dim and require a flashlight to be able to read
the screen. Some questions for the list:
I have adjusted the screen control on terminals like the VT320, so
I was wondering is there a comparable control in the NeXT N4000
monitor?
Depending on the monitor situation, I may have some spares with regards
to keyboards, mice, cables, etc. I was wondering if the keyboards and
mice are hot swappable. Can I boot a machine and test several keyboards
or mice without a reboot for each?
Next I would like to know if there are any current owners that are looking
for a specific item to get their machine up and running. Granted we all
know that there are plenty of list members wanting to acquire the first NeXT,
But at this point I don't know if I am going to have even one good complete
machine out of the mess. Therefore I would like to hear from those
that just need an item or two. I am not offering at this time, just
trying to get some direction as I tackle the job of discovering what
I have and what works. If and when I figure that out, I will post
what is available.
Thanks,
Mike Thompson
Ordinarily I would be willing to do this, but my life is all but
falling apart at the seams right now and I'm afraid I just don't have
the cycles. I'm sorry, man..
-Dave McGuire
On July 9, Gunther Schadow wrote:
> Just in case people haven't run in your door yet, would you consider
> shipping me one or two of your RA90s? The shipping with UPS or USPS
> should only be about $12 and I'm happy to pay for the required packaging.
>
> Thanks,
> -Gunther
>
> Dave McGuire wrote:
> >
> > Anyone interested in some RA90s? I have eight available for pickup
> > in Laurel, MD. I also have a pair of RA81s in a short rack. Email me
> > off-list to arrange pickup. First come (well, first email), first
> > served.
> >
> > -Dave McGuire
>
> --
> Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org
> Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
> Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
> tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
Anyone interested in some RA90s? I have eight available for pickup
in Laurel, MD. I also have a pair of RA81s in a short rack. Email me
off-list to arrange pickup. First come (well, first email), first
served.
-Dave McGuire
On July 9, Kelly Fergason wrote:
> I've never heard of 4.1.4_U1, so if anyone has that,
> I would like to see it.
>
> Sun put out a 4.1.3_U1, and then 4.1.4. The
> companies I have worked at all had software support,
> so I believe I would have seen a _U1, but you never know.
It does indeed exist. I don't have it here, but I have run it.
A thorough knowledge of C and friends willing to give you stolen
copies of the source code is far better than any support Sun has ever
offered. ;)
-Dave McGuire
A local auction has a 4000 DPI drum scanner. Good enough to
scan uFiche? By my calculations that would give 100-150 DPI,
probably good enough for text, but a little weak for graphics....
Comments?
Clint
PS I'm going to bid on the fiche set on Ebay ;)
I hadn't been to the Indy hamfest since the late 80's, so went
Saturday to see what's new. In some ways, not much. There
were still some of the same private vendors as years ago still
selling the same stuff.
As expected there was more computers and less radio stuff, but that's
ok. I did notice that there were around 25-30 various Mac's for sale
by individuals. Don't recall prices on these.
I did notice that some things were not bargins. One vendor wanted more
for current memory (128mb, 168 pin DIMM) than what I paid recently
at Office Max. Another wanted $20 for a spindle of CD blanks, got
the same thing recently for $5, again at Office Max. I guess it
pays to stay current on local prices.
There was one commercial vendor who had apparently bought out a mess
of stuff from a store going out buisness or some such. Most of it
was like the stuff you would find in a Kmart electronics department.
All of this stuff was in blister packs, in boxes on several tables,
every item for 50 cents. Among the goodies I found were a couple
of IBM PC printer cables & an IBM PC keyboard extension cable. The
rest was more general like stereo cables & adapters and cable TV stuff.
Rummaged through a large bin of CD-ROMs and came away with Microsoft
Office 97 Pro and the SR-2 Patch for it, both CD-ROMs for a $1 each.
Found a book on FileMaker Pro 2.1 for 20 cents, then later bought the
entire software package (still shrink-wrapped) for $1.
All in all, a good days haul, and saw some old friends from the days
I was more active in amatuer radio. May have to make an effort to
visit more hamfests in the future.
Mike Thompson
At 10:58 AM 7/6/01 -0400, joe wrote:
> I can see it now, Ganja beer!
Cannabis and the hop plant are so closely related, you can
graft the roots of one to the stem of the other.
- John
on 09-Jul-01 03:48:59 Iggy Drougge wrote
>Then we found a program called COPY 190 on one of the tapes. It looked very
>promising, presenting the user with a menu allowing for transfers between
>tapes and disks in any direction. Only it seemed to have one serious bug: it
>didn't handle file names with spaces, and just about every file on the tapes
>had spaces in them. Has anyone got any experience with this program or any
>tips?
You can use a wildcard "Army*" then it will find anything starting with
army and it will ask if you want to load it.
Or if your know the where the program starts on the tape, you can just forward
to that place and instead of writing the name simply type * , then will
load the first program it finds and afterwards it will prompt for what name
to save it under. Remember if you runs copy190 with ABC turbo drive 8 will become
unit 9 instead.
regards Jacob Dahl Pind
--------------------------------------------------
= IF this computer is with us now... =
=...It must have been meant to come live with us.=
= (Belldandy - Goddess First class) =
--------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:40:53 -0700
>From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: How much is a partial Lisa worth?
>
>>>No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most
>>>of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
>>>asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
>>>adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
>>>only, $5.
>>>
>>Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for
>>a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
>>
>
>They aren't rare, I am sure you had one in your hand last time you were
>here. Asante EN SC, but I wouldn't use one for a SE/30 unless there was a
>good reason why I couldn't use an internal card.
>
Mike, you've seen more than I have, but based on my experience, I'd say
the the most common ones are the Dayna and the Asante ones. The rarest
would seem to be the Cabletron (the only one only one with a publised
API) and the Kinetics.
Personally, I'd love to find a Kinetics one just to test a theory that
it is command compatible with the Cabletron.
As for why not use an internal SE/30 card? Probably the best reason is
if you've already got the Xceed video card. :-)
<<<john>>>
Well, depending on the configuration, the Indigo2 (which I'm assuming
you're
talking about) can be worth a little or a lot, as someone indicated
earlier,
which means around $100 to $1000 on eBay, and around $250 to $1500 from
a
reseller.
The system was available with a myriad of processor options (R4x00,
R8000,
R10000) and video cards (XL,XZ,Elan,Extreme,SI,HI,MI), which are the two
factors that primarily affect the price of the computer.
Things that increase price:
* High-clocked R4400 (200, 250 MHz) or R10000 processor.
* IMPACT-ready (purple chassis with SolidImpact, HighImpact, or
MaxImpact)
* TRAM upgrade installed if system is IMPACT-ready
* Internal CD-ROM installed on sled
* Large drives and lots of RAM
Things that tend to be cheaper:
* Lower-clocked R4000, R4600 (100, 133, 150 MHz)
* R8000 chip (I think it's a diamond in the rough, 75 MHz)
* Non-IMPACT systems (teal chassis with XL, XZ, Elan, or Extreme)
* Stripped of RAM and hard disk, no sleds.
* Damaged plastics (expensive to replace!)
I've got two Indigo2 machines, personally, an R8000/75 and an R4400/250,
both
with Extreme graphics, and they run wonderfully with IRIX 6.2 and are
more than
capable of doing anything that I need them to do. They do tend to have a
little bit higher resale value than, say, a Sun or a DEC, but, IMHO, a
SGI of a given vintage tends to be a little bit more usable as a
WORKSTATION than a Sun or a
DEC of similar vintage (no flames, please!) :) That said, I'd take a DEC
or a
Sun as a SERVER over a SGI in most cases.
Best of luck with it!
--Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net
I thought it was 4.0.3, but it may be 4.0.2..
-Dave McGuire
On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>
> And 4.0.2 was the last for Roadrunners, right?
>
> Peace... Sridhar
>
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> > On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
> > > > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4.
> > > I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only?
> >
> > 4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3
> > 4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC
> >
> > -Dave McGuire
> >
On July 9, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
> > For SunOS, I'd suggest 4.1.4.
> I thought 4.1.3 was the end of the flagstaff? Or was that Sun3 only?
4.1.1_U1 was the last for the Sun3
4.1.4_U1 was the last for SPARC
-Dave McGuire
Tom Owad <owad(a)applefritter.com> wrote:
> What's the proper way of removing cards from a Sparcserver 470? I
> thought you just pushed out on those plastic tabs and the card would
> disconnect and could then be pulled out.
Undo the two hex-head screws at the narrow edges of the card's back
plate, then push on the plastic tabs (which are card lifters). Just
like any other VME Sun.
I'm thinking you want to push the tabs away from the center of the
card, but it's been a while.
-Frank McConnell
On July 9, Frank McConnell wrote:
> though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal
> housing a couple of IPI disk drives.
There's also a SCSI chassis of the same form factor.
-Dave McGuire
More correctly, a 4/400 processor in an 80-series rackmount chassis
is a 4/480.
-Dave McGuire
On July 9, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>
> I think the rackmount version of the 4/470 was called the 4/480.
>
> Peace... Sridhar
>
> On 9 Jul 2001, Frank McConnell wrote:
>
> > Sridhar Ayengar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote:
> > > I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a
> > > 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon.
> >
> > 4/470 is a wide deskside pedestal housing VME chassis, power supply,
> > and a couple 5.25" full-height bays. At least the one I used to use
> > was; I can imagine the guts being repackaged to fit in a 19" rack
> > though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal
> > housing a couple of IPI disk drives.
> >
> > -Frank McConnell
> >
Sridhar Ayengar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote:
> I hope you meant 30" wide rather than 30' wide. Anyone know how big a
> 4/470 is? I am going to be getting a 4/670-714 soon.
4/470 is a wide deskside pedestal housing VME chassis, power supply,
and a couple 5.25" full-height bays. At least the one I used to use
was; I can imagine the guts being repackaged to fit in a 19" rack
though. The one I used had another similarly-styled deskside pedestal
housing a couple of IPI disk drives.
-Frank McConnell
---- On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Zane H. Healy (healyzh(a)aracnet.com)
wrote:
> I was just poking around on the net, killing some time while
watching
> something I've got running at work, so I decided to see what I
could dig
> up
> on VMS. Anyway I just found a *very* interesting page.
>
> http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hist.html
>
> It has release dates and major feature changes from V1 -
V7.2. BTW,
> for
> those that don't know V7.3 was released a couple months ago.
Anyway
> it's
> an interesting page.
>
> It looks like http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/ might be worth
looking
> through also. Such as
http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hw.html
> which
> lists minimum OS versions for the various systems.
>
> Anyway I don't know who dug all this info up and created these
pages,
> but
> they look to have a bunch of info I've been looking for, for a
long
> time.
>
> Zane
> --
> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems
Administrator |
> | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS
Enthusiast |
> | | Classic Computer
Collector |
Are you sure they're correct... I thought VAX/VMS had edt in
v2.0 or 2.2 at the latest.
Is he thinking of the port of EDT to native mode?
I thought EVE TPU stuff came out in 3.x...
Bill
--
Bill Pechter
Systems Administrator
>Bad solder joint on the crt or power supply.
>
>JAG
>>The display exhibits multiple problems;
>> A nasty moire type pattern
>> Crackling, shorting type sounds
>> Display collapses with each crack, which occur several per second.
>>
>>So far I have booted the unit a couple times to be sure it wasn't some
>>temporary condition, and tonight I swapped out the analog board with no
>>change.
>>
>>Any ideas? I am thinking maybe the tube is hosed, but I am unfamiliar with
>>this type of failure. Fortunately I have no shortage of 57x donor machines,
>>but I don't want to swap the tube if it isn't a likely fix.
It sure feels, smells more like a short than an open, but I will take
another look. Plus I did swap the entire analog board including the tin can
on the back of the CRT. What I may do next is pop off the back and power
the unit up in a dark room tonight.
BTW what do you mean exactly by bad solder joint on the CRT?
*** update
I took off the back and booted the system in a dark room just now, and the
light show is all from the inside of the neck of the CRT. With the power
off I don't "see" any damaged areas, but it sure was active with the power
on, flashes, glowing areas that looked almost like embers, very sci fi.
This must mean the CRT is toast right? or could something else cause
this?(given the whole analog board was swapped out with no change).
What's the proper way of removing cards from a Sparcserver 470? I
thought you just pushed out on those plastic tabs and the card would
disconnect and could then be pulled out.
They're not budging and I even broke one of those plastic tabs trying to
get them out. Am I doing something wrong? Any other way to get the
things out of there?
Tom
Applefritter
www.applefritter.com
<< From: Jim Davis <jimdavis(a)gorge.net>
Subject: Re: Off Topic Crap - Stop It Now!
Bwahahaha, This from someone who rips apart computers for wall hangings and
office trophies, then spams his "products" on multiple newsgroups.
Piss off AOL boy. >>
Everyone, just to clarify, I have never torn apart any computer. I have about
a dozen and a half original Mac logic boards which I have sourced over the
years from smalltime and major Apple dealers. All were sold to me as
specifically inoperable or in an unknown operational condition. So far, I
have only framed a few of them and sold them as historical computer art. The
original Mac logic board is a nice example of an integrated board which
contains all of the main components of the personal computer - cpu, RAM, ROM,
disk controllers, other I/O, etc. I will be selling a few of these at the VCF
East and they may or may not go over. I see no problem with this, some of you
may. But, either way, I have more respect for older computers than to destroy
them.
I use AOL. But, let's say I also choose to be a Catholic. Let's say I choose
to drive a Ford. Let's say I like the Washington Redskins. For anyone who
thought that Jim's comments were appropriate, I'll help you out:
Piss off Catholic boy!
Piss off Ford boy!
Piss off Redskin's boy!
This kind of prejudice is not funny. And, prejudice is prejudice, even if
directed at personal choices versus attributes born with. Thank you, David
Hi fellow collectors,
Does anybody have a SCSI 9-track tape unit they would be willing to part with ?
I prefer as close to The Netherlands as possible but any offers are welcome.
Thanks.
Stefan Mansier.
> That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is needed
> to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would
> be rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil.
To Chad and others, yes this is the same oil used to fry french fries at
McDonalds etc. And yes you can run your diesel engine on it. Diesels will
burn most anything that can be flowed through them. A friend of mine did
this (put a combination of vegetable oil and a thinner) into his car when
he went in for his California emissions check. Since vegetable oil breaks
down into slightly different components he really confused the guys but he
passed! Building a methanol digester is probably the best.
--Chuck
Hi,
I'm interested in finding someone who might have experience in downloading data from an old NEC APC to a current Pentium machine.
Alan Mauger
mauger(a)senet.com.au
On Jul 8, 18:59, geoffr wrote:
> Wht is one worth? (roughly)
A lot, because it would be unique.
I think you mean an Indigo2 :-) There are Indigos, Indigo2s, and Indys,
but no Indy2.
The value will depend on the graphics option(s), the processor, and to a
lesser extent on the memory and the disks. I bought a low-spec one a few
months ago for ?50, without keyboard, disk, or drive sled. One with the
fanciest graphics and a fast processor could outperform most PCs for some
types of 3D work, and would be worth 5-10 times as much as mine.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
As someone probably noticed already, the HP/Convex Exemplar series of
machines
were actually SMP, rather than MPP, supercomputers. My apologies!
Another aside, if anyone was curious, the name of that proprietary UNIX
that
they ran was SPP-UX.
--Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net
very true, fossil oil will remain the dominant fuel for the forseeable
( until the end of my lifetime anyway ) future. However, if you've got
a couple of acres ( not yet ) or live in the middle of a couple of chip
fat users ( I do ) it is possible to
a - actually do something for the environment whilst still
having a life with the outside world.
b - live a damn site more cheaply than previously ( we're also
looking into oil fired heating/cooking ).
c - stuff the UK government for the tax ( which is pretty bad
over here in the UK ).
You're also right about it not being viable to demand every car to run
on old chip fat. Granted and very true. I'm just lucky enough to have
stumbled accross the receipe, be dumb enough to give it a bash ( wife
wondered for around a week what the smell was before I told her ) and
have some local shops be prepared to let me have their 'waste'. It's
also helping them reduce their costs ( they don't have to pay for the
oil to be taken away ).
Finally, and I don't want this to turn into a great big 'green' rave (
this *is* classic computing after all ), I can't see any issue with
using bioD is any form. If it drives up the demand for oil based plants
( and I guess this goes the same for wood and ethanol ( right one ? )
), then more places will grow it. If more places grow it there will be
more of the carbon sinks the US are so fond of touting as their reason
not to ratify the Kyoto thingie ( falme war ahead, beware ). As someone
who is now quite happily self suff. in transport fuel and hopefully
domestic fuel shortly, it doesn't bother me whether other people take
up bioD. I wish they would as I think it would be a better idea than
drilling more holes in the only place we've got.
Mmmm, said too much already, I can hear the white coats being unrapped
as we speak ;-)
Anyway, about this VAX I've got ......
Have fun
D
-----Original Message-----
From: rigdonj
Sent: 09 July 2001 16:00
To: classiccmp
Cc: rigdonj
Subject: RE: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be
off ensive, possible humor)
At 02:57 PM 7/9/01 +0100, David wrote:
>bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on
>biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently
>running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the
>local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an
>'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come
>along a offer to take it away for free ).
That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is
needed
to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would
be
rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil. There simply
isn't
enough of it around. That's the same problem with alcohol, there isn't
enough for it to be a viable fuel source. Yes, we could make more but
at
what price and with what kind of sacrifices? (more grain used to
produce
alcohol = less grain for food producton = higher food prices). Like it
or
not, gasoline will remain the major fuel source for the forseeable
future.
Joe
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The Exemplar was a MPP supercomputer based upon the PA-RISC chip
produced by Convex,
which is now owned by HP. It ran a proprietary version of UNIX.
It's probably not the rarest thing in the world, but I wouldn't mind
having one
around. How often do you get the chance to have a supercomputer around
the house? :)
--Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net
What model George? Your description fits many of the Tek monsters, but I
think the earliest is the 4010 IIRC. This would be a great terminal to save,
there are few now.
Most all Tek terminals used a serial port and 4010 graphics I think.
My books are still packed away from the move.
Paxton
Astoria, Oregon
bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on
biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently
running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the
local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an
'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come
along a offer to take it away for free ).
Cheers
D
-----Original Message-----
From: rigdonj
Sent: 09 July 2001 14:25
To: classiccmp
Cc: rigdonj
Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be
offensive, possible humor)
Sorry for continuing this thread but I couldn't let this one pass!
At 03:00 PM 7/8/01 -0400, Chad wrote:
>Joe,
>
>I originally meant to send this a few days ago. I wrote it off-line
and
>it has been sitting in my out-box, but here goes :-)
>
>I don't think "crisis" is quite accurate. The oil industry has had
>several refineries burn, and who knows, maybe some of them are old or
>undersize.
I think you need to do your home work. The oil companies have been
shutting down refineries. They've shutdown almost 30% of the
refineries in
this country in the last ten years.
> They may need to build more. or rebuild burned ones. The
>electricity problems comes from growing and growing use, without
>appropriate updates on the power system.
That's very true but the problems with the electrical power
industry
are due to a shortage of generating stations (particularly in
California)
and has NOTHING to do with oil refinery capacity or any supposed oil
shortage.
>Drilling in new locations isn't supposed to increase refinery capacity.
>It is part of a longer range solution.
Horseshit! They're closing down wells everyday and have been for
years! Take a drive through Lousianna sometime! I was in Alaska a
couple
of years ago and toured nearly the full length of the Alaskan pipeline.
Even it's only running at about 40% of it's capacity. The only reason
that
they want to drill in ANWAR and GOM is because the oil companies want a
CHEAPER source of oil so they can increase their already record
profits!
That's the same reason that the US continues to import oil from the
middle
east. Even with their price increases it's still cheaper to buy their
oil
than it is to produce our own.
If the government is serious about a "long range solutions" then
they
should mandate that ALL cars achive 30mpg by say 2006, then raise it to
35mpg by 2011, then 40 mpg by 2016, etc until we achive the best
practicle
mileage. 50 mpg is very possible, a number of standard production
cars
have already achived it. That's only one step, there are hundreds if
not
thousands of other practicle solutions. Another solution would be to
mandate solar hot water heaters in all homes. I have one in my home and
it's been my only source of hot water for over 15 years and I've never
run
out of hot water.
> Drilling in new locations is
>something a lot of countries are doing.
Sure, because they all want to be independent of foreign sources
and
because it's a huge source of revenue.
> Drilling in the North Sea is
>being done now, or maybe deeper water than normal..... I don't recall.
>I have seen a show on Discovery or TLC about the building of the
>platform. It was a huge engineering feat the way they built it.
Yes, the engineering is impressive but again that has nothing to do
with
the "nessesicity" for drilling in ANWAR or GOM.
>Personally, I'd like to see a move away from oil, not totally, but
maybe
>a diversification. I'd like to see cars powered by grain alcohol,
>although I admit, I don't really know any specifics.
I know a good bit about alcohol powered vehicles, I've been
experimenting with them since the late 60s. Alcohol is not nearly as
powerfull, cost effective or as efficient as gasoline. Alcohol also
has
major incompatibilities with the components of automotive fuel systems.
A
number of companies have tried selling gasoline with alcohol added
but AFIK they're all dropped it due to the cost, performance and other
problems.
> Something might
>have to be done about people drinking the contents of ones gas tank :-)
That would cure the population problem! Nearly all of the
alcohol
sold in this country, including that used in fuel, is either nearly
pure
methyl alcohol or has methyl alcohol, formaldahyde or other poisons
added
to it to "de-nature" it. "De-natured" is a polite way of saying that
it's
poisonous! The government requires that expressly so that people
won't be
able to drink it. Let's burn gasoline in our cars (at least till
something
better comes along) and save the grain alcohol for drinking!
Joe
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Um, I guess that depends on if you like supercomputers or not... So
personally, I'd say you missed out..
Will J
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Sellam wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Sellam wrote:
OK it's time to stop this pointless bickering. Here's something else to
think about.
I particularly like the one at the end of the lesson.
Joe
>Lesson Number One
>A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small rabbit saw
>the crow, and asked him, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing all day
>long?" The crow answered: "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground
>below the crow, and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the
>rabbit and ate it.
>Management Lesson: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting
>very, very high up.
>
>Lesson Number Two
>A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the
>top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well,
>why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're
>packed with Nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that
>it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree.
>The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch.
>Finally after a fourth night, there he was proudly perched at the top of the
>Tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of
>the tree.
>Management Lesson: Bull crap might get you to the top, but it won't keep
>you there.
>
>Lesson Number Three
>When the body was first made, all the parts wanted to be Boss. The brain
>said, "I should be Boss because I control the whole body's responses and
>functions." The feet said, "We should be Boss as we carry the brain about
>and get him to where he wants to go." The hands said, "We should be the Boss
>because we do all the work and earn all the money." And so it went on and
>on with the heart, the lungs and the eyes until finally the asshole spoke
>up. All the parts laughed at the idea of the asshole being the Boss. So the
>asshole went on strike, blocked itself up and refused to work. Within a
>short time the eyes became crossed, the hands clenched, the feet twitched,
>the heart and lungs began to panic and the brain fevered. Eventually they
>all decided that the asshole should be the Boss, so the motion was passed.
>All the other parts did all the work while the Boss just sat and passed out
>the crap!
>Management Lesson: You don't need brains to be a Boss - any asshole will
>do.
>
>Lesson Number Four
>A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird
>froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a
>cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in
>the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was
>actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to
>sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to
>investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the
>pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!
>Management Lesson:
>1) Not everyone who craps on you is your enemy.
>2) Not everyone who gets you out of crap is your friend.
>3) And when you're in deep doodoo, keep your mouth shut!
>
>END OF LESSON!
>
>Sometimes a majority means that all the fools are on one side.