- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 19, 12:08, Jarkko Teppo wrote: > Well, NeXT did a few things against unix traditions, NI didn't > probably work out well :-) > but objc, developing environment and the > windowing system certainly did. One really has to try those to see > how badly X11 sucks. I've heard good things about the development environment. I'm not overly impressed with the window manager, but I've seen much worse. And I can think of a few shortcomings of X11 (colour [mis]management for one) > If you end up with a corrupted NI db (badly corrupted) you can reset all > the NI information by booting single-user and > > cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc > cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc/netinfo I did almost exactly that after poking about last week. Nice to know it was the right guess! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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More freebies in Michigan (PC based, mainly)

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello Everyone, I have more free stuff here in Michigan, plus some that I didn't get rid of last time. As of now, everything that I have promised people has been shipped. If I promised you something and you haven't been told a shipping cost and that it is on its way, please email me. I did have one guy that I couldn't seem to get an email through to. I am advertising these items as free, but I ask that you would reimburse me for shipping. Also please reply off list, as this will be going out to 2 or 3 lists. This stuff probably won't interest Rescue very much, but I figured it couldn't hurt to send it anyway. -NEC IDE cd-rom model CDR-272 (4X, I think) -generic serial mouse (9pin) -paperwork for old Hercules Graphics Plus... looks brand new, has floppy disk too. I bought what was supposed to be the Hercules card on Ebay, turned out someone had simply stuck there old card in the Hercules box. Maybe someone with the card might want the manuals? -Sled for Optical drive for IBM 3510 external case, brand new -sound card/modem from Packard Bell computer. I don't know how fast the modem is, but I thought Linux or maybe even Win95 might detect the sound card chip set. Could be a real cheap way to add sound to your computer. I see Aztech and Crystal chips, if that means anything. -Teac 1.2 meg floppy drive, model FD-55GFR, These drives are great if you need to read and write to 360K floppies. I haven't had too much trouble doing that, and I have always attributed it to the quality of the Teac drives I use. -GraphiCard by Practical Peripherals for the Apple // series. I think it is some sort of parallel card. no documentation or cables, just the card. -3.5" 1.44meg floppy by Panasonic (white face, but whole thing could use a cleaning) -Astec PS/2 power supply, 150 watts, This is out of a Packard Bell, but the only thing I have heard these referred to is PS/2 style. I don't know why, as I have never seen real PS/2 use a power supply like this. It has a remote power switch and 4 drive power leads. Looks pretty standard for a newer, but not ATX, clone box. -white power cord -2 IDE cables, 40 pin, one long, one short, pretty generic -floppy cable, controller end is a header type connector as is the last floppy connector. The middle connector is the edge type. -AC adapter for US Robotics Courier modem, output is 20 volts! -external 3.5" drive for Apple //gs or I think Mac. Model# A9M0106 It's clean but a little beat up. -Digital (Yes, as in DEC) "Full Video Elite" 16-bit ISA card for Mpeg Playback practically new, in the original box has all software, manuals, etc. I bought this at a computer show when it was already "obsolete". I tried it out on my hoped up 386, but decided I didn't really want it. It tried about 3 times to sell it on Ebay, but nobody would bid. Then all of a sudden I saw a flood of them on Ebay going for next to nothing if at all. I'm just tired of it sitting around! While using it I did notice some interference in the video, I think the pass-through cable may need shielding or something. -black power cable -baby AT 286 motherboard, has Harris 20mhz chip, uses 30-pin simms, have 4megs installed, 8 ISA slots, AMI bios, PC Chips chip set, will include extra simms but am unsure of condition of extras. Board has never been installed, but I did test it before putting it on Ebay. Didn't sell obviously. I thought about making a little system out of it to use as a terminal for my MicroVax 3400, but decided I don't need another PC. -IBM serial/parallel board from IBM AT, uses 16450N uart chip, 8-bit ISA. This isn't a cheap generic board. It's real IBM hardware. -some sort of IBM memory board, has serial and parallel ports, 16-bit ISA, uses 30-pin simms. I never got it to work, I don't know exactly what kind of simms it uses either. I stuck some simms from a PS/2 Model 60 in it. It might need software too. Real IBM not generic -full height face plate for Seagate ST-225, I think -5.25" DD floppies, almost new or new. Not sure how many I'll let go, maybe 20 to 25. -springy contacts from the back of an Apple //e case, not sure exactly which case... they changed it over the years. It's 10.75 inches long, if that helps. -Microchannel MFM drive controller FRU 6127874B, I think it's the older one. It's from a Model 60 -Microchannel Adaptec 1640, I think this one is fried, I couldn't get it to work, but maybe you want the slot cover or bios chips? -SMC Microchannel Arcnet card -Arco Electronics Microchannel IDE card -2 Suncom Microchannel game cards. I bought these through Ebay, NIB. They don't seem to work with my Reply Corporation Planer, However. They don't use an ADF file either. -Seagate Cabo ST3541A (CFS541A) It's IDE, but some IDE controllers won't see it... don't know why. 540megs -2 Miniscribe Model 8425F RLL I believe. -uSpeed Fast88, I guess this is an accelerator of some sort for an 8088 system. I got it with a clone PC or XT system. Plugs into MB in relay socket. -STB video card, MVP2X, dual head card, Tseng Labs chip sets, 16-bit ISA -ISA IDE and I/O card, almost new, I bought it from Walmart for my first CD-ROM (32x, to give you an idea of it's age). It's in the box and has the instructions, 16-bit ISA. -3 Winchester drive controllers, RLL I think. 2 have floppy ports that can't be disabled, one has no floppy port. Neat cards, I have one in my socket 7 system because I blew the MB floppy controller out :-) 16-bit ISA, and I have an instruction sheet I can make copies of. -Still have the TIPC (Texas Instruments Professional Computer) No monitor, keyboard, or OS. -IBM PS/2 Model 9577, probably about 24megs of ram, 400meg HD, XGA2 card, both floppies, clean. -Adaptec 2742W EISA wide SCSI card, but has no slot cover. I bought a generic one, but it didn't have the hole in the correct spot. I have heard it isn't to hard to make one using a drill press and a file, with a blank cover. Please help me clean up my apartment :-) Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Another Amiga question

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Zane wrote: >There are MP3 players for 68k Amiga's?!?! That's either rather gutsy, or >pathetic, I'm not sure which. What do they do, decode them to another >format and then play them? There is an MP3 player for 68k NeXTs. See http://www.wizards.de/~frank/download.html to get it. The blurb says it runs realtime on Turbo, and 22kHz play on 25 MHz systems. - Mark - Mark

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OT: Virii

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

>How can I write a zero-byte program? How does NAV identify this virus if >it's zero bytes in length? What real threat to my PC is an e-mail-propagated >virus of length zero? Sounds like it patches an existing file. One method of checking for a virus is to scan files for a tell-tale set of bytes, I would guess that's how NAV found this one. I just did a Google search for "Magistr" - a whole load of sites all say the same thing - a month after infection the virus kicks in and nobbles hard disk sectors, then has a go at the BIOS too. It doesn't sound like it's that easy to fix :-( Moral 1: never open an attachment from anyone unless you've confirmed in advance what it is. It's not enough to say "never open attachments from people you don't know" because most of these mail virii are spread by using people's Outlook Address Books... if you're unlucky enough to have a mate who's got you in his address book and s/he opens a virus attachment you're going to get the virus delivered from a friendly source... I used to get some stick from the lads when we go out for beers for never opening the joke GIFs they mail me - one day I wrote a bit of VBA in a Word document and sent it to them - all it did was list the contents of C:\ into the document in the same style as the DIR command, then pop up a dialog saying "Do you want to delete these files?" with only a "Yes" button and the "X" box system button. Either way once the dialog was closed it then put up another dialog saying "Thanks for playing" at the same time as deleting each line in the document (not the actual files, of course!), one a second. The utter panic this caused amongst 4 supposedly experienced programmers was a revelation - 4 "what the **** was that?" phonecalls later was enough to convince me that a) never trust your mates emails, it might not be from them b) don't believe your eyes - Word isn't completely WYSIWYG, thankfully :-) Moral 2: use alternatives to Microsoft, they've lost the plot - as if I needed to say that on this list :-) Moral 3: just because it's technically possible doesn't mean it's particularly desirable. What possible justification can they have for including a programming language in a word processor? What did Chuck Thacker call it? Biggerism? On topic: once I've fixed the PERQ's monitor I'll be hacking clones of elm and lynx together. I'd like to see anyone infect that machine :-) -- al

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 19, 8:52, Jarkko Teppo wrote: [ NeXT documentation ] > If you install the whole shebang (at least on 3.3) you get the documentation > library in (I don't remember) /NextLibrary/something. It doesn't matter > because the bookshelf-files are in /NextLibrary/BookShelves/. Just double > click on SysAdmin.bshlf. Thanks, I'll look tonight. > > > Man-pages on niload and nidump might help too. Honestly, I never > > remember > > > how to do it so I just improvise and create a local NI hierarchy and > > > use DNS for name resolution. > > > > I read them, and realised they didn't tell me enough, mainly because I > > don't understand the rest of it. > > niload is just a helper for loading text-based configuration files into > the NetInfo DB. nidump does the same in reverse. I got that far from the man pages, but I need to know which files they handle and what to turn them into for a single NeXT (in a sea of UNIX varieties). > Misc. link: > http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1060.htmld/1060.html That looks useful. Thanks! > > No, NIS is *never* an option ;-) > > Heh :) I'm sometimes ready to put NI into same category but that's > probably just because I have one (or two, if you count white boxes) > NeXT(s). NI would probably kick ass in an installation with something > like 100 machines. Except that it breaks one of the golden UNIX rules; keep the config information human-readable. > I must admit that NetInfo can be quite confusing and I can screw up a > machine pretty easily with it. I did that too :-) By following the obvious option in the setup and telling the machine it should use the network. I didn't realise what I was telling it to use the network *for* :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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parcel post from U.K. to U.S.A. ?

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> From the UK (ParcelForce): I wouldn't use Parcel Force personally. Much better to use Amtrak, UPS, FedEx, anyone ...! They regularly dump stuff on my doorstep without waiting to see if anyone's in... doesn't matter if it's raining either (it often is!) }:-| I gave up complaining about it ages ago, and now just ask people to use Amtrak instead if possible. If Parcel Farce can't deliver something from Bristol to Bath without it getting damaged there's not much hope of them getting it across the Atlantic... use somebody else and do yourself a favour :-) -- al

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DEC Haul!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Ethan- > > > > Are you telling me you came down here to Louisville, KY and > > grabbed a PDP-8 right out from underneath my nose? > > In 1986, yes, 3rd-party cabinet and all. Oh. Well, ok, in 1986, my consciousness hadn't risen the level it's on today. > > Way to go, dude! But let me have the next one, OK? > > NP Que?

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OT: Virii

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

Yes, but contiguous 0's are special and easy enough to detect, and, it would not be difficult for the assembler to include some initialization code. In the end, this is a difference in philosophy, asm vs. higher level languages. You don't expect an assembler to optimize that sort of thing, but rather, to do exactly as it is told. Now, I remember when g77 would actually include the image of a zero-initialized array within a common block in the executable.... at one point I had a 130MB executable :-) . This is the opposite case, a high-level language not optimizing that sort of thing. Carlos. At 06:37 PM 7/18/01 -0700, you wrote: >On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: >> some_buffer db 4096 dup(0) >> end segment > >That EXPLICITLY calls for 4K of 0's. >Virtually no assembler is clever enough to do a run-length compression. >OTOH, If you wrote > some_buffer db 4096 dup (?) >it would set up 4K of "UNINITIALIZED" space, which it COULD compress out >of the file, particularly if it is at the end. > >> . . . So it would be easy enough for a virus to scan the >> executable for a portion that is nothing but zeros, and hide in there. >It could always make space within the MICROS~1 copyright message. > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Superbrain and Altair

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

Today I have received a hint that there is a Superbrain available for the right price and another mentioning an altair, with modem and manuals. I've seen Altairs on E-bay but not a superbrain, what would be fair offers for these? Also, does anyone know of newer kits similar to the altair or mark-8. I found 1 advertised as a computer kit and it consisted of a mother board, video card, drives, PS and case and you put them together.

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where did you happen to 'pick up' that heathkit Microprocessor training kit?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 18, Richard Erlacher wrote: > For about a year there was one sitting in the back room (surplus) at the Denver > Gateway Electronics store, overpriced at $40. Overpriced at $40? I had two, sold one on eBay for $200.00 a year or so ago. I'd pay $40 for one quite readily even if they didn't have such a high resale value...they're just *cool*. :-) > They show up from time to time. There's a Heathkit Logic Analyzer there now, > IIRC, not to mention an old HP model. Really? What models might they be? -Dave McGuire

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OT: Virii

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

OT, yes (maybe some virii are >10 years old??) but related to programming in general. Plus, if no one on this list knows the answer, then there probably *isn't* an answer ;>) I received a virus in an e-mail attachment a few minutes ago. The sender is a wholesale supplier I'm acquainted with. NAV spotted the "W32.Magistr.corrupt" virus, could not repair the infected item, and asked for permission to delete the item, which I granted. I looked this virus up in the list of 50K+ virii that NAV currently claims to cover. No information was available, except that this virus is rare, it infects .exe files, and it is zero bytes in length. Now, I've cranked out a couple of boatloads of code over the last 19 years, and the smallest useful program I ever wrote was 3 bytes in length. It's easy enough to create a zero byte file, but as far as I can tell such a file can't *do* anything. How can I write a zero-byte program? How does NAV identify this virus if it's zero bytes in length? What real threat to my PC is an e-mail-propagated virus of length zero? WTF??? TIA, Glen 0/0

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parcel post from U.K. to U.S.A. ?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>I would very much appreciate the help of a U.K. resident in >calculating postage to ship an approx. fifteen pound box of >manuals (and floppies) from England to the U.S. We need to >do this without mortgaging the farm, so a slow boat across >the pond is preferred. The originating location is: The originating location is (I think) irrelevant as long as it is within the UK mainland (which yours is, unless Cheshire has been badly flooded lately ...). If noone else chips in first, I'll have a play on the scales tomorrow. That would give a price via Parcelforce (or whoever the Royal Mail use). I don't have much experience with shipping in either direction but I'll ask to see if anyone in the office can find out how DHL or UPS calculate their charges. As a very rough estimate, work out how much the reverse route (i.e. US->UK) would set you back. I would be surprised if there is more than a factor of two (but I bet UK->US costs more !) A 2kg manual cost about $20 US->UK about a year ago. Antonio

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Seeking Mark Gregory???

by claudew＠videotron.ca

I sent Mark Gregory a large quantity of Amiga Worlds about a month ago and he was to send me a Amiga 1200 for my collection. No news I a long while. He also offered some books on here IIRC. Anybody talked to this person recently? Thanks Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 18, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > The chapter did mention NIS (yp) so that *might* be an option. > > No, NIS is *never* an option ;-) BRAVO!! -Dave McGuire

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where did you happen to 'pick up' that heathkit Microprocessor tr aining kit?

by ML_WOOD＠ColoradoCollege.edu

I'm interested, where did you happen to 'pick up' that heathkit Microprocessor training kit? Thanks if you can reply!

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HP1000/A600 worth saving ?

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

The above might be avaliable ( with some peripherals ) : it is worth saving ? I could not find too much info in the net . Around 1980's I assume. I don't even know if it is a mini or if it is microprocessr based... Any comments ? ( BTW location Zurich, Switzerland ) Regards, Jos Dreesen

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Grey Wall in NYC

by allain＠panix.com

I have a lead on a DEC "Grey Wall" in NYC. Contact me off list if you're interested. There are about 20 vols on VMS and 8 vols on VAX-GKS. The owners will likely toss in one or more vt320's too if you want 'em. The owner has enough conscience not to just throw stuff out; I got him to wait another week or three. My cup runneth over. John A.

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Keyboard Cleaning Question

by vance＠ikickass.org

Anyone know a good way to thoroughly clean an IBM buckling-spring "clickety" keyboard? Peace... Sridhar

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 18, 13:24, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > What's special about the RAM for a Sparcstation 5 ? > > They're 5 volt, buffered, parity DIMMs. The only popular system that used > 5 volt buffered DIMMs were the old PowerMacs, which don't use parity. > > Even beyond that, there's something else about them. I tried using > SPARCstation 5 DIMMs in my Apple Network Server (also wanting 5 volt > buffered parity DIMMs) and the ANS completely refused to see them. That > was disappointing since SS5 RAM is infinitely more abundant, but oh well. > I haven't tried the reverse test yet (whether ANS RAM will work in the > SS5). Ah, I see. I had assumed they were SIMMS, but I'd never opened up a SS5. How many pins on the DIMMs? And I see there was some prolonged discussion about the right DIMMs to use in Sunblades, on the Sun newsgroups recently. They seem to be a bit of a minefield. I know the ones SGI use in, eg O2s, are "odd" as well. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Osborne One -- No video

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

{sorry for the delays in replying, but I only get the digest} Ok... I broke out the meter, and did a few checks.... Tony Duell suggested: >That's a nice, simple, circuit to start with. Carefully pull the >connector off the base of the CRT and check the heater continuity. If it >is a 7 pin CRT, it's a fair bet the heater pins are numbers 3 and 4. Well, it was a 7-pin connector, and I put an ohmmeter across pins 3 and 4. It measured 31.7 ohms. Is that reasonable? Robert Feldman suggested: >First thing to check is to make sure that you are getting +12V on contac1 14 >of the circuit board and pin 7 of the inline connector. I am getting +12V at both of these points (And by the way, thanks for the pinouts and other information!!)... Also, I suspect what I am referring to as a composite video output may not be that at all... It is an RCA jack that is attached to the front of the case, and is located just to the right of the connector marked "Battery". It has two wires attached, which go to a 2-pin plug on an "L" shaped circuit board. The "L" shaped board also contains the Z-80, some 6116 chips, and other stuff. It also contains the inline connector that Robert gave the pinout for (and in fact, the 2-pin plug is in very close physical proximity to the inline connector). I have seen several pictures of Osbornes, and now that I review them, none have this connector. It does not seem to be a hacked on modification, since the plug on the "L" shaped board was very obviously factory done. I will take Tony's advice and trace back to see if and where the 12V fails. Thanks! Rich B.

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Light Pens ...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 17, 20:22, Richard Erlacher wrote: > If the refresh memory is to support text and graphics, the pipeline must be > two-forked. Not necessarily. In a BBC Micro, for example, the 6845 is essentially generating a stream of pixel addresses, since what's stored in the screen memory is the bitmap of the character, not the character code. That's how you mix text and graphics on the same screen. When text is written to the screen, the OS looks up the bitmap(s) of the character(s) and writes the individual pixels to screen RAM. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Light Pens ...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 18, 0:45, Tony Duell wrote: > > Yes, but the schmitt-triggered one has a different problem -- it's too > > slow! It's a long time ago, and the articles and my notes are buried near > > Right... It's generally recomend for BBC lightpens (See, for example, > the Advanced User Guide page 369). Are you saying none of these designs > work properly? Well, mine ended up having more in it than the one on p.369 (which has just a Sweet Spot phototransistor mounted in the barrel) - it had a transistor and bias resistor in there too, along with a CMOS chip to make a touch-sensitive switch. I can't remember what the Sweet Spot part number in the AUG is (schmitt or plain) so I can't tell you if that's the one I used. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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swordfish

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Saw this movie last night, and personally I found the use of "real" jargon to describe what they were doing jarring because it didn't work right. Much better to have the 'trek like' mishmash of terms that don't make any sense but sound good. The "mega system" that was supposed to be the wet dream of hackers everywhere was this thing with about 8 LCD screens set up in some sort of technotica holding unit. I thought about this and decided it doesn't work on a number of levels, not the least of which is that you can't read stuff on the top displays and you cant use them in parallel. Much cleaner to build somthing like a jumbotron with 9 screens to give you a 56" monitor with effectively 4K x 3K resolution. Then you could move things around and even if they spanned monitors they would be readable. In terms of classic hardware the multiheaded-ness of my SPARCStation was useful in that regard, and I do this on my laptop as well (when its docked). Clearly the BLIT kind of had the idea (Bell Labs Intelligent Terminal) and the VT340 is nice (like the VT420) in that you can swap screens easily. I _really_ like the idea of the VT525 on a big screen. I'm definitely going to have to try that. There was also an early hack done on Amigas that slaved three of them running 'Jet' to give you three views and thus a wraparound screen effect. So what is the ideal visual machine? Opinions? --Chuck

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Light Pens ...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 17, 16:54, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Viewed from the 6845, is the block 1 scan line high? Yes. > Getting the horizontal location right, as you'd have to in order to do precise > drawing, might be a bit more complicated, don't you think? an 8-pixel extent of > uncertainty is quite a bit on a 640-pixel display. But it's usually less than 8 bits. For example, the pen I built (which had assorted other problems as per my other responses) was mostly used on a 4-bit-per-pixel display (16 colours) or a 2bpp (4 colour) display, so the resolution was usually 2 pixels or, at worst, 4. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ZNR Varistor markings, Take 2.

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

Hi all, (And Tony Duell :^) Repost of a previous msg, as for some wierd reason, I stopped getting list traffic for a couple of days. Investigations at our mail server are inconclusive, but it may be related to the fact we were using the ORBS database to aid spam control and this has been suddenly shut down. Or not. Anyway, I've missed a couple days traffic and probably some responses to this. Have a friends Decstation 5000 power supply with a violently blown fuse. (8A/250V) He is a developer of VMS Freeware (in fact the WASD web server) and has asked me to help. Culprit is 2 x ZNR 14K241U devices, which I believe are Metal Film Varistors Surge Absorbers. The numbering system seems to be obsolete as current ZNR Surge Absorbers use a quite different system, or I've guessed wrong and they are something else entirely, but I don't think so. These two gadgets are wired in series with each other, then connected across the output of the mains rectifier. 240vac in, so they are across around 300+ vdc. I could just leave them out and the supply will run, but would much rather replace them to keep the protection they offer. Their appear to be no other faults and the history of the incident is consistent with a switch on surge after an extended holiday (3 weeks) following daily useage of the machine, so it's possible the reservoir caps may be just a little leaky or the varistor was just getting tired. Anyone make sense of the device id so I can figure out what rating to replace them with. Device looks rather like a round ceramic capacitor, but gloss black in colour, marked with white lettering A Logo consisting of a small square box in top left with a capital M inside and ZNR in caps next to it then under it is 14K241U (or the 1's could be ell or i, hard to say). underneath at bottom left is an reversed italic capital R with a reversed italic capital L joined to the back main bar of the R. To the right of this is a small letter s raised above the baseline with the number 20 after it. Any help appreciated. Cheers Geoff in Oz

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DEC Haul!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Me, too. My furthest haul was Columbus to Louisville for a PDP-8/L with > high-speed punch/reader, ASR-33 and BM-08. It's what I show > off to visitors. Ethan- Are you telling me you came down here to Louisville, KY and grabbed a PDP-8 right out from underneath my nose? Way to go, dude! But let me have the next one, OK? ;-) -dq

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 17, 22:12, James L. Rice wrote: > Thanks to eBay and a couple of list members, I now have my Indy up and > running and on the 'net using my ISDN router as the gateway. I can also > ping my office network through the other router. I'm currently running > IRIX 6.5. It has a R4400SC 150mhz cpu, 192mb ram, a 24bit graphics > card, Granite kb, mouse and 20" Trinitron monitor, a 2gb hard drive and > an Indycam. I'm building an external SCSI box to house a DAT drive, the > CD-ROM, a CD-R drive and a 2gb option drive. Now I need to find a > Presenter, a Cosmo board, a 10/100 GIO ethernet card, the XZ graphics > board and floptical drive to have a fairly complete system. Good luck finding a Presenter and 10/100 GIO at reasonable prices! > It looks > good sitting on my desk next to the NeXT TC slab. On the subject of NeXTs, how do you get a NeXT to use standard files (/etc/hosts, et al) instead of the netinfo stuff? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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S-box KDA50 Panel

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone know the part number for the KDA50 distribution panel that mounts on the S-box (the one that is a two-wide or three-wide cover plate) with the four SDI sockets? Does anyone have a spare they'd sell? I lucked into a set of four RA73 drives in the cage with the cable. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Rare Storageworks Find

by dittman＠dittman.net

I saw an odd-looking Storageworks shelf on eBay. The opening bid was $19.95, so I figured why not give it a try and see. The auction closed without any other bids, so I got the box. After it arrived I took it apart to see what I could find. It turns out this is an engineering evaluation shelf for the the next generation Storageworks product. The design was cancelled when Compaq bought Digital and they went with a completely new design (the "universal" shelf). This shelf is a copper FC storage cabinet with room for eight FC drives. There's a controller unit and two 8x4 FC switches. I'm now in the process of getting an FC controller. This should be interesting. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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The NeXT best thing...

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Before I start, I suspect that I will catch some flak from some list members over this. If that be the case, then so be it. With that said, an earlier haul consisted of 115 NeXT machines, all mono, with roughly 90 slabs and the rest cubes. Also included some 80 monitors, and about a dozen laser printers. And that of course included keyboards, mice, cables, and boxes of other flotsam. These were literally days away from being put in the dumpster, so it was a big task just to rescue them before that happened. Then it took weeks just to get a decent inventory. From that I realized it would take months to test eveything. That made me realize that I am a hobbyist and have no desire to become a NeXT dealer. With the exception of a couple machines and some other stuff, I sent the inventory list to Rob at Blackhole. The machines are now in his capable hands. Back on 7/9 and under the title "Attention NeXT Owners", I asked if there were any list members in need of specific items to 'complete' their machines. I held back enough to probably fill most of those requests. After I have tested those items to make sure they work, I will contact those who responded then. After that, I will make available to the list anything that might still be available. So under the heading "Recent addition", I can now say that I have two complete working mono turbo slabs. Needless to say I maxed them out with the largest hard drives and the most memory I could find. It was not until I finished with the two machines did I realize somthing. So I will ask: Q: What is the the NeXT best thing to having a NeXT machine? A: Having two NEXT machines & WITH consecutive serial numbers. As I said, there are probably those that will give me some flak for 'selling out'. The machines had to be rescued, but I had no desire to test, pack, and ship that many machines. If you want to give me hell, go ahead. I use to say that I considered the day a total loss unless I caught hell from someone. The line "Make My Day" comes to mind at this point. On a good note. During my last phone call with Rob, he indicated he was contemplating a mono slab special. He mentioned the price of $99. All of this was in a 10x20 rental storage locker. Although the NeXT is gone (and I forgot to take pictures), there is still some other machines there. I will probably post a list of that and some other stuff shortly. Most of it will be free for the taking. Mike

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DEC Haul!

by jss＠subatomix.com

Well, I've done it again. This time, I went all ~1400 miles to San Diego. I've been saving my money for this one, and it paid off nicely. I picked up: * PDP-11/20 -- According to the owner, this one worked last time it was booted (no idea when that was), and I should expect the monitor to still be loaded in the core. * PDP-11/20 -- Not known to be in working condition. Missing a few switches up front and maybe a few boards inside. Basicaly, a spares machine. The faceplate is the older one that just says "PDP11" instead of "PDP11/20", and I'll probably transplant it to the working machine for that reason. * PDP-11/05 chassis -- In great condition, but with no boards. Anybody have a set up for trade? * TU56 -- Looks to be in great condition. * TC11 -- Looks to be in great condition. * DECtapes -- About 100 of them. I think there's an operating system and a fortran compiler in there somewhere. * A few printsets. I'd like to find a couple of RK05 drives, maybe a PCxx paper tape reader/punch, and their controllers to round out this system. Anybody have any of these up for trade? Considering that all this was free to a good home and that it fit in the back of the Suburban I borrowed from my parents, this has turned out to the be least expensive haul this summer. All in all, I'd say that this summer has been very successful. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 17, 20:47, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Um, I hope you got RAM with those systems. If not unless they're 5/110's or > 5/170's you're probably better off sticking them on eBay and putting the > money towards a Sparc 10 or 20. Simply put Sparc 5 RAM costs and arm and a > leg unless you get lucky! Only RAM I've found that's worse is > AlphaStation 500/333 RAM (I've got both a Sparc 5/70, and a AS500/333). What's special about the RAM for a Sparcstation 5 ? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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MicroVAX equipment

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Jeffrey S. Sharp WROTE: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > In some ways he should be paying you to remove the RA81's! > > They're *that* common? Ticking time bomb. Someone decided to use a(n allegedly) cheaper glue even though the spec more or less said "do not substitute". The result was that a fair number of RA81s failed early in service. They have a bad reputation. Antonio

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Mountaingate RDR

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I found this on a web page from 1996. http://www.3dsite.com/3dsite/cgi/publications/daily-spectrum/issue226.html#M ountainGate MountainGate will manufacture, market and distribute the RCI line of Video Disk Recorders (VDR) and Real-time Disk Recorders (RDR) which provide large-capacity uncompressed storage solutions. Looks like MountainGate RDR is a real time video recorder. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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OT: DSL Woes (was RE: Plato terminal)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Or you can sign up for DSL service, wait 5 months to get the line brought into your house, during which time you have to be home for half a dozen service calls, then the Telco will run the test and tell you that you are too far away. That was my experience with Telocity and Ameritech in Chicago. :( -----Original Message----- From: McFadden, Mike [mailto:mmcfadden@cmh.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:53 PM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: Plato terminal I think you call up the telco and ask them the question and then they run some test and report back to you. >How do you find out the exact number of feet you're out from the CO? > >Peace.. Sridhar Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Virii

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

This virus is about 30KB of _assembler_ code: http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/magistr.shtml -----Original Message----- From: Glenatacme(a)aol.com [mailto:Glenatacme@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:36 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Virii OT, yes (maybe some virii are >10 years old??) but related to programming in general. Plus, if no one on this list knows the answer, then there probably *isn't* an answer ;>) I received a virus in an e-mail attachment a few minutes ago. The sender is a wholesale supplier I'm acquainted with. NAV spotted the "W32.Magistr.corrupt" virus, could not repair the infected item, and asked for permission to delete the item, which I granted. I looked this virus up in the list of 50K+ virii that NAV currently claims to cover. No information was available, except that this virus is rare, it infects .exe files, and it is zero bytes in length. Now, I've cranked out a couple of boatloads of code over the last 19 years, and the smallest useful program I ever wrote was 3 bytes in length. It's easy enough to create a zero byte file, but as far as I can tell such a file can't *do* anything. How can I write a zero-byte program? How does NAV identify this virus if it's zero bytes in length? What real threat to my PC is an e-mail-propagated virus of length zero? WTF??? TIA, Glen 0/0

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Osborne One -- No video.

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Charles E. Fox wrote: > I would very much like to get a copy of the Osborne > 1 manual. I > have been searching the web, but haven't located anything so > far. If you > want to scan yours and post it, you would be doing a great service. Scanning is no problem - I can scan the user guide (or whatever the correct title is), always assuming the sheet feeder does not eat the bog roll it seems to be printed on :-) I doubt I could post more than a CD since previous experience leads me to believe that the FS manual will end up in the region of 50-100MB and the UG could easily top 200MB. I'll leave it up to some genereous hoster to make them generally available (and possibly split them up for those with narrow straws between them and the net). I have other commitments that mean this probably won't happen until mid-August. Give or take six months :-) Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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Osborne One -- No video.

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, To answer the replies so far.... 1) There is a small black connector labeled "Do no remove when power is on" or something to that effect. I does indeed cover a card-edge style connector. I did remove it, power OFF, and I didn't recall it had anything conductive inside. It just looked like a plastic plug. I'll have to look again, when I go home this evening... 2) I did try the composite video output. Nothing there, either. 3) As I stated before, there was no light from the CRT at all, after taking the cover off and powering up. I will perform the ohmmeter test suggested by Dave McGuire tonight. - As for the composite video connector... Does anyone know if there is any magic keystroke or other setting to enable this? Perhaps if the internal monitor is dead, I can still use an external one...

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Osborne One -- No video.

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Feldman, Robert wrote: > >I have an Osborne I Technical Reference manual, ut it is a bit skimpy on the >video (no circuit diagrams, for example). It does provide a pinout for the My Osborne came with a folder (hand-)labelled "Field Service Manual" full of odds and ends ... including a bunch of schematics. At least two of the schematics have traces labelled VIDEO so I assume that for once I'm lucky and I actually have a reasonable amount of info about one of my machines :-) I can scan the schematics assuming a) someone wants them and b) someone has somewhere I can ftp them two. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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UCI microscope

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 18, Mike Ford wrote: > An electron microscope, or sad to say all the bits for one, just showed up > at the UC Irvine (calif) salvage yard. What a mess. Any vacuum pumps intact? -Dave McGuire

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European Postal Information (was Re: parcel post from U.K. to U.S.A. ?)

by AlistairMacDonald＠economist.com

=== michael.grigoni(a)cybertheque.org 17/07/2001 22:28:18 === >Thanks to those who replied; finding foreign postal information >on the 'net is not easy. >From the UK (ParcelForce): http://afis.postoffice.co.uk/Parcelforce/Internet/CustServGuide/calculator.… >From Europe (General Parcel - national carriers cooperative): http://www.generalparcel.com/moving/atyour.html (However, you might need to be able to read the local language)

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Trying to find correct 8" disk drive

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can someone tell me the specs on this 8" drive? Magnetic Peripherals Inc. (a subsidiary of Control Data Corp., CDC) Equipment Identification Number: BR8A5R Part Number: 75744087 Series Code: 09 Ideally, I need to know what its equivalents are. I'm sure it's a pretty standard DSDD 8" drive but I need to know for sure before I go off on a wild goose chase. Thanks!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Thanks to eBay and a couple of list members, I now have my Indy up and > running and on the 'net using my ISDN router as the gateway. I can also > ping my office network through the other router. I'm currently running > IRIX 6.5. It has a R4400SC 150mhz cpu, 192mb ram, a 24bit graphics > card, Granite kb, mouse and 20" Trinitron monitor, a 2gb hard drive and > an Indycam. I'm building an external SCSI box to house a DAT drive, the > CD-ROM, a CD-R drive and a 2gb option drive. Now I need to find a > Presenter, a Cosmo board, a 10/100 GIO ethernet card, the XZ graphics > board and floptical drive to have a fairly complete system. It looks > good sitting on my desk next to the NeXT TC slab. I'm more than a little green with envy! > Now for my next project, to get the Sparc Station 5's I bought the other > day up and running! Um, I hope you got RAM with those systems. If not unless they're 5/110's or 5/170's you're probably better off sticking them on eBay and putting the money towards a Sparc 10 or 20. Simply put Sparc 5 RAM costs and arm and a leg unless you get lucky! Only RAM I've found that's worse is AlphaStation 500/333 RAM (I've got both a Sparc 5/70, and a AS500/333). Zane

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[win2x@hotmail.com: Vax 11/780 - Sun 3/470 w/ Mass storage]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

A 11/780 and a Sun 3/470 up for grabs near Dallas. Bill ----- Forwarded message from Roger Garcia <win2x(a)hotmail.com> ----- From: "Roger Garcia" <win2x(a)hotmail.com> To: mrbill(a)decvax.org Subject: Vax 11/780 - Sun 3/470 w/ Mass storage Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:38:19 -0500 Bill, Hello, I emailed you previously about a rescue for a Sun 3/470 w/ Mass Storage. There is a Vax 11/780 in need of rescue in Richardson,Tx 75081. Very large but could be a "vaxbar project for someone", I saw on ebay where some boards from a 11/785 went for $100.00 we would like to recover some of our costs for picking it up,if possible. I also still have the 3/470 with mass storage unit still available. If you know anyone interested in these units please have them email me for contact information. Sincerely, Roger Garcia win2x inc. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Light Pens ...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 18, 0:45, Tony Duell wrote: > > Yes, but the schmitt-triggered one has a different problem -- it's too > > slow! It's a long time ago, and the articles and my notes are buried near > > Right... It's generally recomend for BBC lightpens (See, for example, > the Advanced User Guide page 369). Are you saying none of these designs > work properly? Well, mine ended up having more in it than the one on p.369 (which has just a Sweet Spot phototransistor mounted in the barrel) - it had a transistor and bias resistor in there too, along with a CMOS chip to make a touch-sensitive switch. I can't remember what the Sweet Spot part number in the AUG is (schmitt or plain) so I can't tell you if that's the one I used. I bought both types, and one other photodiode (or phototransistor?) >from the RS cat. I see that page also refers to a fudge factor to be subtracted from the register contents -- I remember having to do that too. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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THE COOLEST *MINI-BIKE'S* PRICE HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN !! :)

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PDF file of Canon CAT instructions....

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:05:31 -0400 > From: "Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atari-history.com> > Subject: PDF file of Canon CAT instructions.... > > I know I'm a bit slow, but here is the link to the Adobe PDF file > of the handwritten instructions for using the Canon CAT, enjoy. > > http://www.atari-history.com/archives/pdf/misc/canon_cat.pdf Handwritten instructions for a word processor. Hmmm... Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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thunderstorm damages!

by chomko＠greenbelt.com

I've been accumulating the damages from a recent thunderstorm. Wow! Originally I thought it was just a GFI breaker and the phones. But it turns out that a computer got hit (just a PC), and the cable box as well as a TV. I'm making a list (8 entries so far). Thank God my bro-in-law here in Maryland gave me a surge supressor that I put on my SWTPC. Makes me think I need more of those things. Anyone else have such an event happen? Also, take this as a warning to protect you most valuable possessions. I intend to get a few more surge suppressors to protect stuff. This is the one and only time that this has happened to me, and I'm felling lucky. Eric

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new scans

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. I finally found some time to continue scanning doc. So far I scanned (at 600 dpi) the following manuals. Each chapter is a separate TIFF file. - PDP-11/34 system user manual - PDP-11/34 maintenance manual - PDP-11/34A power system description - KY11-LB SLU/RTC programmers console/interface operation & maintenance manual - DL11-W SLU/RTC operators manual Also the following Field Maintenance Print Sets (FMPS) and Engineering Drawings (ED) are scanned at 600 dpi. They are broken into several parts, though the files are still quite big. - 11/03 Engineering Drawings MP00049 & MP00050 KD11 MP00051 MMV11-A G653, H223 MP00052 EIS & FIS, backplane, power assy, H780 MP00055 DLV11 BA11-M, H9270-A, H780 - FMPS DD11-A - ED DD11-D - FMPS DRV11 MP00054 (M7941) - FMPS LA38 MP00754 - FMPS LA8 MP00075 - FMPS LAX35-CL MP00714 (20 mA current loop), MP00738 - FMPS LAxx MP00248 serial interface - FMPS MXV11-A MP00730 (M8047) The list above is 300 Mb. So still some 340 Mb to go to fill an other CD-ROM. Next I will scan the 11/34 FP processor and the cache, after that I will start on the 11/35 and core (MF11). Anyway, is there interest in these high quality (I think) scans? happy holidays, Henk.

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(OT) Sgi Indy

by jrice＠texoma.net

Thanks to eBay and a couple of list members, I now have my Indy up and running and on the 'net using my ISDN router as the gateway. I can also ping my office network through the other router. I'm currently running IRIX 6.5. It has a R4400SC 150mhz cpu, 192mb ram, a 24bit graphics card, Granite kb, mouse and 20" Trinitron monitor, a 2gb hard drive and an Indycam. I'm building an external SCSI box to house a DAT drive, the CD-ROM, a CD-R drive and a 2gb option drive. Now I need to find a Presenter, a Cosmo board, a 10/100 GIO ethernet card, the XZ graphics board and floptical drive to have a fairly complete system. It looks good sitting on my desk next to the NeXT TC slab. Now for my next project, to get the Sparc Station 5's I bought the other day up and running!

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