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EOM Clearance (aka free stuff in Indiana)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

EOM Clearance (aka free stuff in Indiana) Having cleared most of the machines out of my 10x20 rental storage, I have decided to clear it all out and vacate it by the end of the month. Following is a list of what's available, some of it in storage, some here at home. All this is available for free to those that come pick it up. I'm located a few miles south of Terre Haute, Indiana. FREE, FOR PICKUP ONLY: ------------------------------------------------------------ DEC: VAXstation 2000's - There are six of these, one is a recent one and untested. The other five have been test fired using a VR260 and all found to work and complete the self-test OK. None of these machines have a disk drive. Have an LK201 keyboard, hockey puck mouse and the BC18P combination video/kb/mouse cable for most of these machines. MicroVAX 2000 - There is one of these, completely diassembled and in a box. Also have a spare MS400 2mb board and this is unused still in original box. This goes in the 2000. Also have two TK50Z-FA tape boxes. VT220 - Have 4, none have been tested. Includes LK201 kb. VT320 - Have 1, has not been tested. Includes LK201 kb. DS200 Terminal Server - 3 ea DELNI - around 6 ea On the DS200's & DELNI's, don't forget to ask about MMJ and AUI cables, I am sure I can include a cable or two. ------------------------------------------------------------ VME: Motorola Model VME/10 System Contains: 1 ea MVME400 board 1 ea MVME201 boards Micropolis 1304 43mb hard drive, untested Also have a monitor, but no video cable. Believe the keyboard is around here somewhere. Also have a machine around here that is a plain white case with a VME motherboard and several cards. Beyond that I have forgotten and it is too dang hot right now to go pop the hood on it. If you are interested, I will see what I can do to get more info when it cools in the evening. Jupiter Technologies - There used to be a company in Massachusetts that made was commonly referred to a UGC (Universal Gateway Controller). It amounts to a box that can interface to various network protocols and convert them to other protocols using 'softblocks'. I have a few complete units and more spare boards than I can count. I rescued them due to the VME boards only to realize that each processor card contained a Jupiter proprietary 160 pin chip. I doubt what they would be as much use to the hobbyist aside from pulling the CPUs, SIMMs, and Eproms. I list them here in the event you come after some other VME stuff. These might then be of interest. ------------------------------------------------------------ IBM: Model 5182 Personal Computer Color Printer Parallel Interface, dot matrix 132 column This works, but needs a new ribbon ------------------------------------------------------------ Hewlett Packard: Model 2631G 132 column dot matrix printer This has a 24 pin connector, IIRC GPIB interface. Condition unknown. ------------------------------------------------------------ Intel: Have a couple IBM PC/XT's with 5 1/4 full height floppies and 10 mb HDs. No IBM kb's, video cards, or monitors though. Have been tested and do work. Have an IBM AT, IIRC this has been tested and works. Beyond that there is the usual Intel flotsam. Various boxes, 286, 386, and the like. ------------------------------------------------------------ Misc flotsam: Who knows what is here. There are some hard drives, tape drives, keyboards, mice, and the like. There is too much to list separately. If you come and pick up some of the stuff above, we will make a tour of the basement and see what turns up. ---------------------------------------- I feel like I have forgotten some stuff. So we'll start with this and go from here. Mike Thompson

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New Toy - Poly 88

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

Received a new system today, a partially built Poly-88. Came with the mainboard and case, an assembled 8080A CPU board and an unassembled video interface and all the parts to finish it all up. Came with cassette BASIC, Monitor and Assembler and doc too. Great shape! It will be interesting because it will be the first time I've actually assembled a system from the ground up. Need to find some other boards, memory and such still. Now to clear space to work on it. ----- "What is, is what?" "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Available: 4 ISA or MCA swappable DCA ethernet cards

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I have dug out 4 identical NICs - made by DCA and they are flipover style, having an 8 bit ISA connector on one side and microchannel on the other. They only have the ISA backplate and they aren't tested. No docs or software but anyone familiar with them will probably want them. They should be in working order as they came from machines that came right off the network to the pallet lot sale except that the hard drives were wiped (hence no drivers). They are 10baseT and 10base2 having an RJ45 and BNC on the end. I want $5 for ALL FOUR plus whatever applicable shipping would be. I would prefer to keep this to the US and Canada but anyone over the big pond is welcome to inquire and we'll see what shipping might be and if it's worth it. Of course all monies would have to be paid in US funds.

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Winchester Technology (was Re: MicroVAX equipment

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 19, William Donzelli wrote: > > There are two reasons...First, it was developed in Winchester, > > England, and stored 30MB on each of two platter surfaces. Second, the > > model number, 3030, made people think of the Winchester model 3030 > > rifle. > > The model is 3340, not 3030. 3340s (and 3344s) are odd things - the > platters are lubricated with silicone based oil, and the removable disk > packs (3348s) _include_ the heads. When the disk pack is mounted (which > can be done by hand, for maintenance), a rather complicated series of > events connects the heads' wires, the air supply is sealed, and the whole > head assembly is aligned so it floats on a cushion of air. I've seen references to "3030" in many books over the years...I'm nowhere near old enough to have been there though. -Dave McGuire

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Unisys Personal Workstation 2 Stuf & DSDD 5.25" floppies

by terryc＠woa.com.au

Hi folks I have two sets of manuals and one set of software (1 x 5.25" & 1 x 3.5" floppies) for Unisys Personal Workstation2. circa 1990. It is available for postage/shipping to whomever wants it. Weight is 2.6Kg, say 3Kg packed for shipping, from Campbelltow, NSW, Australia, 2560. Dumpster Date is Wed 1st August if no interest shown. Also available are; 20 boxes of 10 Double sided, double density 48tpi 5.25" floppies. DOS brand(?) 18 of these are un opened, 2 opened and 3 other packs. Cost is shipping, say 300grams/box packed for shipping. Dumpster date is Wed 1st August. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> "People without trees are like fish without clean water"

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Kodak Gold CD-R's going bye-bye?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> What makes these Kodak CD-Rs so much better than other CD-R media? Five things: 1. Made by a known manufacturer using a well-tested process. 2. Manufacturer has archival information available. 3. Uses phthalocyanine dye, rather than the much less stable cyanine. 4. Gold reflective layer. Some here have had very bad experiences with aluminum and/or silver reflective area in videodiscs and CD's. 5. Nicely protected top surface. The Kodak "Silver Plus" Ultras have all the above except for #4, so they're not so bad. And even on point #4, I do think Eastman Kodak does have at least a little experience with silver compounds after, what, 100+ years in the photographic industry? And there are other makers of Gold media - Mitsui is a very big name, though availability is less than ideal, and Ricoh seems to be in the business as well. All that said, it is frustrating to see what is widely regarded as one of the most archival media available - made by a huge company with a long history in materials science and information storage - bite the dust in mass availability because it costs a few more cents than the el-cheapo stuff. Tim.

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HP98035 Clock

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Test

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Just testing, hoping that CodeRed didn't silence everyone... -dq

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available....

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Framingham MA, pick up also possible in the Hudson NH area as I work there. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Ernest <ernestls(a)home.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: RE: available.... >...er, where are you at? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ajp166 >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:23 PM >> To: Classic Computers >> Subject: available.... >> >> >> I've decided to thin the herd some so the following is available >> for best offer or trade. >> >> * Visual 1050 system (x2) complete, hard disks, floppies, docs >> and tech manuals. Must pick up as it's two systems and >> fairly large/heavy with docs and all. Both work one prettier than >> the other, many spares. >> >> * S100 backplane for rackmount use. No PS. Nice decent bus. >> Pickup only, heavy and fairly large. >> >> As to trade material: Single board computers, ham gear, >> non computer test gear are of interest. >> >> Allison >>

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H. H. Tiger

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Latest Haul: TRS-80/Apple/Commodore

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, On Saturday, I took a pleasant road trip to Coventry, RI (about 1.25 hours South of me) to a school that was closing down to get some old computers. I knew they had some interesting stuff, but had no idea what awaited.... None of this is rare (as far as I know) or anything, but it was a nice find for me... Also, some more stuff is there, but I will not make it down for another trip before they close on 07/31. I will post more information in a separate message. The haul was: - 1 Apple IIc+ with external 5.25" floppy drive - 1 Apple IIc composite monitor (the small green one on a stand) - 1 Laser 128EX, with monitor, and external 5.25" and 3.5" drives - 1 Apple color composite monitor - Many disks of Apple II software, including DOS 3.3 and ProDOS disks, and the "Introducing the IIc" series of disks - Apple Assembly Language book by Don Lancaster (forgot the name) - Apple IIe SAMS Photofacts - Applesoft manuals - 2 TRS-80 Model 4P (in nice shape, and working condition!) - 7 TRS-80s, mixture of Model III and 4, some with no floppies, some with 1 5.25" and some with 2 5.25". Varying amounts of RAM. All appear to be in working condition, though not great cosmetically - 2 TRS-80 Network 3 Controllers (NO clue what these are... Anybody?) - One device (I forget the name), with a "TRS-80" in the name, that has 16 connectors on the back, 16 LEDs on the front, and a rotary dial on the front to select one of the 16 inputs. NO clue what it does... I'll get the details and post later. - MANY TRS-80 disks, including some original boot disks, SCRIPSIT originals, and others. - Some Nice condition TRS-80 manuals - 13 Commodore 64 "breadbox" computers, many with power supplies and TV switches - 2 MSD "Super Disk" units (one w/ broken latch on one of the drives) - 2 VIC-20s in original boxes (one with a brown computer cover in the box) - Many original C64 and VIC-20 Educational Software disks - C64 and VIC-20 manuals, Programmer's reference guides, books, etc. Some of this stuff will not be staying with me. I rescued it to keep it >from the dumpster. I also told the principal that I would try to sell it, and any monies would go to the school (my incentive for doing it is the stuff I keep, plus I actually think this is fun!). I will post a separate list of available stuff, and anything that doesn't sell will go to eBay.... But I'll give you all first cut at it... The format will be sealed bids, accepted for some number of days, with the stuff going to high bidder. Rich B.

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PDP8a popped up for auction

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 23, Lawrence LeMay wrote: > > As annoying as "*RARE*" has become on eBay, I've seen exactly ONE of > > those front panels...and I've been actively hacking pdp8s for nearly > > twenty years. YMMV. > > Whereas I've only seen 2 8a's in my life, and both had those panels, plus > they are available if you're willing to buy em from resellers... They both did? Wow. I've only seen a couple of 8/a's, and they've all had the BA11SA-style "three switches" panel. An interesting thing...That front panel is very similar to that of the pdp11/34 KY11-LB panel. The KY11-LB is controlled by an i8008 processor. I wonder if the 8/a programmer's panel uses an i8008 as well. Also, the pdp11/60 has a similar front panel. Anyone know? I had a pdp11/60 once, but never dug into the panel. Which brings up a neat memory...a friend and I sold that pdp11/60 and a bunch of VT220s to Pennington Prep School in Pennington, NJ many years ago as a timesharing system for their CompSci classes. It ran RSTS/E v9.4 on a pair of RL02s. That was a nice system...I liked it a lot. Yeah, good point about the 8/a's being available from resellers...I wouldn't want to see those prices, though. -Dave McGuire

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PDP8a popped up for auction

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 23, Bill Pechter wrote: > The 8a at least had separate instruction data and bus address leds. Yeah. > As far as the 11/60 at Pennington... must've been after I left DEC's > Field Service in Princeton... or I would've probably gotten sent there. > I used to go to Mobil in Pennington a lot. Oh DEC would never have been called on this system...My friend and I picked up the pdp11/60 when it was decommissioned from Beaver College; got it for a song...and very *unofficially* (hey, I was 16) sold it to Pennington and did the installation over a weekend. We got the deal because my friend had been a student there. -Dave McGuire

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Stuff Available in Rhode Island

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, There is a school that I recently visited in Coventry, RI that has some computer stuff available. I took quite a bit when I went on Saturday, but more is left, and it wouldn't fit in my truck. I won't have a chance to get to the school before they close on 07/31, and I told them I'd get the word out. If any of you are coming down to VCF East, it would be an ideal time to go. The only catch is it's about an hour from Marlboro by car. The school is St. Xavier's Academy, and the contacts are Maureen O'Gorman (mailto:maureen@maureen.com) and Kathy Siok (ride7158(a)ride.ri.net). Phone number is (401) 826-2130. They are looking for donations, so the stuff is not free, but the donation does not have to be huge $$$. What's left (as of Saturday -- act fast, some of this may be going to the dump soon): - Several TRS-80 printers, ribbons, cables - Zenith luggable, looke like maybe a Z-150?? - Two Macintosh computers -- unsure of the model, I think LC?? Low Profile, one has an external hard drive - A sweet Apple IIe setup, 2 drives, monitor, nice IIe, maybe a CP/M card, as I saw some CP/M disks lying around - About 10-15 old TV sets (13") that were used as monitors for their Commodore computers - Lots of Mac software - A couple of PC monitors (15" i believe) - Some Commodore and TRS-80 Software (mostly educational) There may be more -- that was all I can recall was left. Also, contact Maureen or Kathy for more specific details. My memory stinks, so I'm sure I left out some stuff... Rich B.

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VCFE etiquette

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hi: I have a small "shopping list" and not having been to one of the VCFs before, I wondered it it was worthy posting it here in case someone is willing to trade for cash. Any thoughts? Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Apple ][ boards -- what have I found?

by dsegel＠pacbell.net

Taking a cue from Joe, I looked through a few back issues of Byte. No ads for the ROMWriter directly, but there is a picture of one in a box on the page 19 ad of the June 1982 issue. On the box it says: Programs 2716 EPROMS Frees RAM Memory Space $175 Daniel Segel At 10:41 AM 07/23/2001 -0400, you wrote: >At 11:53 PM 7/22/01 +0100, Tony wrote: > >>Mountain Computers ROMwriter. Clearly an EPROM programmer, with a 24 pin >>ZIF socket. I found 2 of these boards. > Tony, > > Like you, I've never been seriously intersted in Apples but I remember seeing these. I'm not sure exactly what they were intended for but I'll look through my old magazines and see if I can fidn any ads. FWIW I passed up one of these that was NIB at a hamfest about 2 years ago. > > Joe -- "Being humble is why I'm a great person." Daniel A. Segel dsegel(a)pacbell.net

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BOOT ORDER ON AN APPLE//GS

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello People, I have a Rom3 //gs. I also have a 5.25" and a 3.5" floppy drives made by Applied Engineering that I would like to use with it. If I plug only the 3.5" drive into the gs it boots fine, but takes awhile. If I plug the 5.25" drive into the 3.5" drive to dasiy chain them, the computer boots from the 5.25" floppy and the 3.5" drive isn't seen at all. Am I doing something wrong? Did I fry something when I plugged the 3.5" drive into my //e to see if it worked? Does the gs have dip swithes ot jumpers I need to change? I think this is odd behavior. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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PDP8a popped up for auction

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 23, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > For those of you interested, a PDP8a has appeared for sale on eBay. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257927980 > > I notice the seller didn't forget the obligitory "*RARE*" As annoying as "*RARE*" has become on eBay, I've seen exactly ONE of those front panels...and I've been actively hacking pdp8s for nearly twenty years. YMMV. -Dave McGuire

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PDP8a popped up for auction

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 23, Bill Bradford wrote: > > For those of you interested, a PDP8a has appeared for sale on eBay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257927980 > > Jeff > > Interesting. I didnt know they made -8s with the "minimalist" console.. The 8/a was the last of the pdp8 family. There were several versions of it. It's an interesting design. -Dave McGuire

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Kodak Gold CD-R's going bye-bye?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Have you checked americal.com, their web pages still have these listed > so I assum ethey are available. use the product finder, type in "kodak > digital audio gold' and you will find 2 items, a 30 pack for $49.99 and > a 200 pack for $299.99 But those are CD-R's intended for Digital Audio, not Data. I know they can be used for data, but I'd obviously prefer to have the data CD-R's available too. A couple of places still list Kodak Gold Ultima CD-R (data, not audio) as being discontinued but still in stock, including www.cdroutlet.com. It's a shame that such a fine storage media gets displaced by all the el-cheapo-will-probably-deteriorate-in-a-decade-or-so cheap stuff that's everywhere. It's as if folks don't believe that 650 MBytes of data is worth a couple bucks anymore, just because they can store it on 15 cent media for a couple years. They've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less famous is this: "Never confuse the cost of the media with the value of the data". Tim.

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Broken C128

by optimus＠canit.se

One find this week, a C128. These new rules about the electronics manufacturers taking the responsiblity for discarded hardware doesn't seem as bad as it might, since the recycling station now has a dedicated skip for computers, home electronics and CRTs. However, the C128 only starts up with a black screen. The common VIC border is visible, but the screen is entirely black/grey instead of brown, and no text or prompts. What could be up here? Broken kernal (is it spelt with an A on Commodores?), broken BASIC, broken VIC? BTW, there's been a demo party in the building where I live this weekend. Lots of Polish hackers sleeping in the corridors and the garden, lots of C64s, and the things they did with them! Absolutely amazing! Voxel landscapes, fire effects, resolutions which I never thought possible of a VIC... Definitely worth visiting if one comes to your town. This was just a small party, though, mainly C64, instead of the "3000 PC users play Quake 3 Arena" parties common today. They also ran some Game Boy demos, but that's not on topic. =) -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Haben Sie schon mal einen Wegweiser gesehen, der selbst den Weg geht, den er weist? --- Ludwig XV (K?nig von Frankreich, 1710-1774)

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DSL Woes (was RE: Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ISDN > My nightmares have almost subsided from these installations. If you hear > the work ISDN start drinking immediately. The installation crews want to > leave all of the problems to the service crews. Configuring ISDN modems is > a nightmare, SPID=profanity. ISDN == I'm Still Drinking, Ned...

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available....

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I've decided to thin the herd some so the following is available for best offer or trade. * Visual 1050 system (x2) complete, hard disks, floppies, docs and tech manuals. Must pick up as it's two systems and fairly large/heavy with docs and all. Both work one prettier than the other, many spares. * S100 backplane for rackmount use. No PS. Nice decent bus. Pickup only, heavy and fairly large. As to trade material: Single board computers, ham gear, non computer test gear are of interest. Allison

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PDP-8 Papertape software on eBay

by ken＠seefried.com

I saw this, and figured it was probably useful to someone here... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257123318 You are bidding on 2 trays of paper tape softare for a Digital PDP-8E. Included in the 2 trays are: Self Starting Binary Loader, Binary Punch Teletype, Absolute Loader, Binary Loader, Symbolic Editor, PAL III, ODT (low and hi), DDT, Octal Dump, Basic-8, FOCAL, Four User Overlay for FOCAL, Unitlites Overlay for FOCAL, FOCAL 8 and init, DKSE Clocks Diag, DECtape Formatter, DECtape Copy, DECTape Diagnostic, TD8E DECtape Subroutine, Randon Tests, Basic JMP tests, Instruction Test 1, TTY and KL8 tests, Adder tests, DECtape diagnostic, Memory tests, Extended arith tests, 4K Mem test, Ext mem test and more. High bidder pays shipping by preferred method. Payment by International Money Order only.

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Sad experience

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 08:13 AM 7/21/01 -0700, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: >On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, John Foust wrote: >> A number of scenarios went through my mind... hiding the disks, >> claiming they were manuals (although I suspect they can't sell >> the manuals, either) etc., but I just chalked it up to > >NOT "MANUALS"!!! >"BOOKS"! >In many such situations, "Manuals" can not be sold. But "Books" can. Or maybe I could have waved my hand and said "These aren't the droids you're looking for." These folk may be working in the cloaca of the massive State bureaucracy, but they're not stupid. This stuff looked like software - hard case, binder in case, "IBM" on the side, etc. - John

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Strange PSU mains connector

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 22, Matt London wrote: > > - - > > o- - > > - - > > A B > > > > Did DEC have a reason for doing this, other than to be able to extort > > money from people who need replacement power cords, or to sell them > > new systems when they make replacement power corde obsolete? > > It's a standard power connector, it's just rated at 15A and not 10A IIRC, > they're most commonly used here for kettles, hence the name "kettle plug" They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI Challenge-L systems for example. -Dave McGuire

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New toy: VAX with DECVoice

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 22, R. D. Davis wrote: > Anyway, it's now counting down to 3, so, something's working! :-) > ...will know more when I can get a terminal attached. Do all > VAX-4000/200 machines make a loud fan noise when first powered on, and > then get much quieter? Are variable-speed fans being used, and is > that noise a test of high-speed operation? They are variable-speed fans. I'm not sure why they do that on powerup in these machines, but I have seen situations in which variable-speed fans were in use and, due to the control circuitry, they didn't have enough power applied to them when the system was powered up to overcome static friction and get the rotor going. I'm guessing that DEC knew about this and designed the control circuitry to give them a little "kick" at powerup to make sure they're all running, then spin them down to the speed required by the temperature of the machine. -Dave McGuire

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Kodak Gold CD-R's going bye-bye?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

While we largely talk about saving *old* programs and data here, there is an aspect we cannot ignore: making sure any transcriptions are good into the future. All of us who have tried to read some tapes that are just a few years old which gum up in the drive know that it is truly a false economy to buy anything except the best. (And I still swear by 3M Blackwatch, and *at* Memorex MRX IV.) Now that I'm beginning to recover enough from all the events of the past year to get minimal free time devoted to archiving, I find that my favorite CD-R media - Kodak Gold Ultima - is evidently being phased out. Kodak no longer lists gold/gold data media on their web page of "active media", and many of the online distributors have exhausted their warehouse stock. I've only got a few hundred left here. Now those of us who have been involved in darkroom activities for a while know that Kodak products/processes *do* come and go. Sometimes the reasons are environmental, sometimes the reasons are marketing related. In any event, this is one product I had grown to trust and now I'll miss it. (I still miss many of their fiber based papers and ortho films, and some of those disappeared a few decades ago! At least all that Selenium Toner I've absorbed over the years will preserve me for the next couple centuries...) It appears the demise of Kodak Gold Ultima is mostly marketing - they have a web page discussing its current "non-holding-inventory" status: http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/service/faqs/faq1008.shtml I reproduce the FAQ at the bottom. (Note that while they claim *their* cost has risen over the past two years, looking at the invoices *I've* been paying the price has actually dropped from $1.75 in bulk two years ago to just under a dollar each in the last batch I bought.) It looks like while they aren't *officially* discontinuing it, they are rasing the minimum order requirement to 100000 pieces, and it seems that all the distributors I deal with are no longer stocking it. Kodak's suggested replacement media - Kodak Ultima aka "Silver Plus" - is readily available, and looking at the techincal data on it it may be just about as good as the Gold Ultima. As far as I can tell, it's the same Phthalocyanine dye in both the Gold and "Silver Plus". The "Infoguard" topcoating seems to be just as good (if not better, judging by my scratch tests!) on the "Silver Plus". (Note that I put "Silver Plus" in quotes. While the official Kodak marketing material never uses this phrase, all of my Kodak invoices show this as the product's name. Note that the current Kodak pricing on "Silver Plus" is very good - straight from Kodak it's less than $0.30 each in bulk.) The other gold/gold name brand media that I'm aware of is Mitsui. These have never been as regularly distributed here in the states as well as Kodak, but it is possible to get them (even though a quick sample of online retailers show that of those who carry Mitsui CD-R's, only about 20% stock gold/gold.) I don't have as much experience with Mitsui Gold's, but they do have a good reputation in at least the bootlegging community. (Good to know that all those bootlegged Dead concerts will outlive the official record company CD's, huh?) I *did* pick up a pack of 80-minute IBM-labeled gold-colored CD's at the local Staples store and was quite surprised to find that the ATIP info claims the dye is Phthalocyanine and the media actually made by Ricoh. Of course, this doesn't mean that any other pack of IBM-labeled disks will be made by the same company or have the same specifications, and AFAIK Ricoh doesn't offer much in the way of archival properties data the way Mitsui and Kodak do. Tim. Kodak's FAQ 1008 follows: 1.Why has Kodak ceased holding inventory of KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media? The demand for KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media has fallen over the last two years. Due to these lower sales volumes, it is now far more expensive to make. However, the main reason for this change is that KODAK CD-R Ultima media - our unique and patented CD-R that contains a special combination of silver and real gold in its reflective layer - is now performing at levels that are essentially equal to KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media. For standard applications, no other brand beats KODAK CD-R Ultima media for stability. 2.But what if I still want KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media? There remain some commercial applications for which KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media is perfectly suited. To support these applications, Kodak will continue to make, on a custom-order basis, KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media. There are special order conditions that apply - contact your Kodak sales representative, distributor or reseller for full details. If your media needs support the 100,000-piece minimum order requirement, you can still custom order NSP, thermal white, inkjet white or inkjet clear KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media. Custom orders of these products will be packaged in the commercial bulk configuration which consists of 4X100 stacks of discs with a blank substrate at each end for protection, no spindle, shrinkwrapped. All custom order product is barcoded. 3.Is Kodak eventually going to discontinue Kodak Gold Ultima CD-R Media? Kodak currently has no plans to discontinue this product line. 4.How much information can each disc hold? KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima discs have 650 MB / 74 minute capacity. 5.Why wouldn't I switch to another media brand now that Kodak doesn't stock Gold Ultima CD-R media? Kodak still offers the highest performing media on the market in the form of KODAK Ultima CD-R Media. This media is the only disc on the market containing added gold for maximum stability while also offering maximum compatibility and longevity. Through meticulous testing Kodak continues to find that competitors' CD-R discs, which have a reflective layer of pure silver only, degrade quickly over time, resulting in the loss of important information. 6.What recording speeds can I use for CD-R Gold Ultima media? You can record at speeds of 1X to 12X to create discs that comply with the following standards: CD DA, CD ROM, CD-ROM XA, and CD-I. 7.What is the expected data life on KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media? KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media has a projected lifetime of 200 years or more. For more information , see http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/Kodak/html 8.Does KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media have the INFOGUARD Protection System? Yes, KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media has INFOGUARD Protection. The INFOGUARD Protection System is proprietary and includes one of the most stable dye layers available today, along with super-tough overcoat to help protect the surface of the discs from scratches and fingerprints. In addition, the gold reflective layer provides an archival lifetime. 9.Does KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media work in all CD writers and CD readers? Yes. With this product, Kodak continues to provide media that work great in all leading writers and readers. 10.What is the warranty on KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima media? All of our Gold Ultima products that have the INFOGUARD Protection Systemand, therefore, carry a lifetime warranty. If any disc is found to be defective in manufacture or packaging, it will be replaced.

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DEC KA640 connectors question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I've been looking into the B400X chassis, it looks to me like it is straight Q-Bus, however, the DSSI disks look to be a problem. It looks like a male HD50 connector is what connects to them. However, the KA640 CPU has 50-pin connector next to the one for the RAM, I'm guessing this is the DSSI connector. Is this correct? If so, then I'm needing to go from 50-pin ribbon to HD50, I don't suppose I'd be able to use a SCSI cable I've got that would do the trick. I've no idea what the DSSI pinout is, or how much I'd risk blowing something up. Maybe I should just turn the chassis into a PDP-11 w/SCSI disks :^) Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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TERRAHAWKS SERIES 2 VIDEOS FOR SALE !!!

by crewey＠thewho2000.freeserve.co.uk

3 VHS PAL videos containing the completley unavailable series 2 of the Terrahawks, these were never released on video like much of series 1. Recorded from UK T.V in the eighties, TEN COPIES OF THE 3 VIDEO SET AVAILABLE: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1448285396

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Thicknet Transceiver

by rnlion＠its.caltech.edu

Hi, I have a thicknet transceiver here, an Allied CentreCOM 440, that has 4 AUI ports and an attachment to the backbone with a vampire tap. I was wondering if I can use this thing without connecting to a coax back bone at all, and still be able to network between the four computers attached? If I did so, would I need to terminate the would-be coax connection somehow? I have a bunch of computers sitting around here, mostly older SparcStations, that only have AUI connections, and it would be cheaper if I didn't have to convert each one to 10baseT. I was thinking that I might be able to use this box to connect 2 or 3 of those, and then have a Linux box connected to one port bridging it to the rest of the network. Thanks for any relevant (or hell, even irrelevant but interesting) information. Rob Lion -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT/E d- s:- a--- C++(++++) ULS+ P+ L+ E- W++ N+(++) o K w+++ O- M- V- PS+(+++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP t- 5- X+ R- tv b++ DI++ D++ G++ e h+ r- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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ATTN: Michael L. Drew

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

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Game Boy Processor (Was: Re: Broken C128)

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

>>They also ran some Game Boy demos, but that's not on topic. =) > > Why, I've had a Game Boy for over 10 years, and IIRC, it's a 6502 based system. > No, it is a Z80 with some modifications. I don't know any of the details. -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com "Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android

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DECtapes available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 21, Bill Bradford wrote: > I've got the following 7" mag tapes (DECtape-I?) > available. All are original DEC, with orange center labels. They aren't DECtapes...they're standard 600' 9-track magtapes. Just a nit. -Dave McGuire

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Who wants a Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab?

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

Hi all... Buried away in my company's cold storage I some time ago found a Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab. I made one inquiry about this earlier, and got a reply telling me it was an interesting find. Sorry but I don't recall the fellow who sent that email. The 8002A was apparently used to develop software and operating systems for 8080 and 6800 based devices. Our company used it to develop the software for RTU's (Remote Terminal Units), which are commonly used in the oil & gas business at remote sites to control and monitor equipment on the site (such as pumps, valves, pressure transmitters). I've gone back out and made a partial list of everything that's included, which follows. I've also asked the boss what he thinks, and he just wants it GONE - that means FREE! So, have a look below and if this intrigues you let me know. The main problem will be shipping, as the total package probably weighs 200 pounds. The equipment is located in central Alberta (yes that IS Canada), so you might want to think twice about the shipping costs. Hardware: Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab - 2 PROM burner sockets on front panel 2 Tektronix Flexible Disc Units - 2 8" floppy drives each 2 Emulator Processors with probes (external black boxes on ribbon cables, & DIP plug) Manuals: 8080A Emulator Processor 8080A Assembler & Editor User's Manual 6800 Emulator Processor 6800 Assembler & Editor User's Manual 3 TekDOS System Reference Booklets Command Reference Cards for various processors Software: NUMEROUS 8" floppies which seem to include... TekDOS Fortran Pascal RTU Development Disks (many) Depending on interest I may run this notice another time or two, to make sure nobody who might be interested misses it.... Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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AppleII GS software

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

Hi folks, welcome to digest 666 if you're on digest mode :o) Has anyone got a spare copy of either ProDOS or GS/OS on 5 1/4" floppies I can swap/buy/whatever? I've discovered I can use the Disk ][ controller in slot 7 of the GS so my boxed one is about to be disked and fired up. Failing that has anyone got a spare 3 1/2" drive? My external Mac 400 or 800K drives don't work. cheers! adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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DecMate III

by rcini＠optonline.net

I know that they're fairly common, but does anyone need one of these? I'll be at VCFE on Saturday and I'll bring it with me if anyone is interested. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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DECtapes available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 21, Bill Bradford wrote: > > > I've got the following 7" mag tapes (DECtape-I?) > > > available. All are original DEC, with orange center labels. > > They aren't DECtapes...they're standard 600' 9-track magtapes. Just > > a nit. > > My mistake, I've never used/dealt with these before. I'm just trying > to find them a home. 8-) I'm sorry Bill; I didn't mean to sound like I was jumping on you about it. I guess I was distracted when I sent my reply. -Dave McGuire

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Test

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Hi, Testing!

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DECtapes available

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got the following 7" mag tapes (DECtape-I?) available. All are original DEC, with orange center labels. BB-N630A-BE PRO TK V1.0 VMS 16MT9 1982 BY-0061E-C0-0001 PROGRAMMING RSX-11M IN FORTRAN 1983 EY-0060E-CD-0001 (?) PROGRAMMING RSX-11M IN MACRO 1983 I've also got a complete set of FORTRAN-11 manuals to go with the tapes.. If anybody can use these, please let me know. Would like to swap for LSI-11 stuff, but if nothing else will see that these can go somewhere they can be used. I have no hardware to read the tapes. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Proper front panels for LSI-11 PDPs?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody ever thought of building up a LSI-11-based PDP system, but with a proper "blinky" front panel? Would such a thing even be feasible, even with modern LEDs? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Anybody want/need MAINDEC diagnostic listings?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a few (about 10-15 pounds worth) of MAINDEC diagnostic source code listings, for various hardware bits and systems. Anybody want/need these? I certainly dont, and would like to see them go to a good home. I've also got some small magtapes, but will report on those once i'm able to read the labels.. bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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thunderstorm damages!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I'm back, if anyone noticed. DSL and Phone modem cooked on June 30th put me off the air save my 2400 baud pocket modem. FYI: there were 1810 messages all but 9 were from Classiccmp... thats a bit much, no? Allison

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Sad experience

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Today at the UW-Madison surplus sale, a favorite haunt, I found a box containing eight or nine software boxes. Sure enough, it looked like a complete set of all the software from IBM that shipped with the original IBM PC circa 1982: DOS 1.1, 2.0 and the full UCSD p-System, including FORTRAN, the assembler and Pascal. Everything pristine. All disks in place. The shrinkwrap was still around a few of the boxes. No price on the box, so I search for the Pricing Guy. "Sorry, we can't sell software." I knew about this policy - the University destroys all the software it can no longer use. I'm sad that I found the item on the sale floor but can't buy it. He refers me to Boss #1. He says "we can't sell that, how did that get out here? Go talk to Boss #2." Boss #2 says "Three dollars." Back to Pricing Guy. I say, "Boss #2 said three bucks." Boss #1 is still within earshot, he says "Boss #2 can't do that." (So why did you send me to him?) Boss #1 takes the box and heads for the back room, where the disks will be "recycled" and the manuals shredded. - John www.threedee.com/jcm

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thunderstorm damages!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'm back, if anyone noticed. Actually, yes, I'd been wondering why we hadn't heard much from you or from Megan lately... > DSL and Phone modem cooked on June 30th put me off the air save > my 2400 baud pocket modem. > > FYI: there were 1810 messages all but 9 were from Classiccmp... > thats a bit much, no? And most of those OT, no doubt... -dq

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Bad BA123 Power Supply - Fix or Scrap?

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Does anyone want to fix a power supply from a BA123? The box seems OK, but there was probably a short at some point. Local pick up only - in Toronto. If no one replies, out on Wednesday for sure into the garbage!!

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New Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up a Laser PC3 portable computer that works great and has a nice carrying case but no doc's at Goodwill At an auction I got a Vibrac model 350 Flexible Disc Tester and a MTI Accumcasure System 1000. At another Goodwill I got 3 clear IBM Data Processing Magnetic Tape holders (99 cents each). They also had new 8" 3M diskettes in the box for $2.99 each. The rest of the stuff is not yet 10 years old. On the subject of shopping at places of higher ed. I have stopped going to the U of M here because they got to were if you got a item out of the trash they would keep it and give it to 'a person' that would sell it on eBay (the school got none of the funds).

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RSX11M+ v3.0 Distribution

by wrking＠dadaboom.com

Following up on my previous posting, I've been made aware that all of the DECUS RSX Sig tapes are already available on-line. Cool. I thought I was going to have my 15 minutes of fame. I'm going to pursue the possibility that it's legal to post the RSX11M+ v 3.0 distribution on-line. I think I'd like to have a signed agreement with Mentec that this will be okay. I don't want someone to introduce me to the DMCA the hard way :-). Hopefully Mentec will answer my email. I can handle the legal side of this (it's a good thing my father is a retired attorney), but could someone give me some hints as to the technical side of posting the tapes? There are two tapes, one is the distribution, and the other is standalone BRU. Well, I also have DECnet, DECmail and update E tapes as well... I'll keep you posted. Thanks, Bill

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OT: Great idea going wanting

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well, I was planning on having a big party on Sept 1st but now it looks like I'm booked, however, if there are any other numerologists out there, note that this date is an auspicious date for having an EMERGENCY party The date is 9-1-1 and it falls on a SATURDAY Is that cool or what? --Chuck (normally I have my emergency party on the 11th) Please disregard this message if you don't get it. Thanks.

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OT: Great idea going wanting

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 11:57 PM 7/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >Well, I was planning on having a big party on Sept 1st but now it looks >like I'm booked, however, if there are any other numerologists out there, >note that this date is an auspicious date for having an EMERGENCY party > The date is 9-1-1 > and it falls on a SATURDAY >Is that cool or what? And don't forget that there's several more opportunities this year for BINARY day parties: 10/1/1, 11/11/1, etc

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