- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Just got an HP 5381A frequency counter, and although it's basically straightforward and simple, I was curious if anyone had a manual that they could copy, scan, etc so I had it for future reference, or knew of somewhere on the web that it might be stored in scanned or PDF format.

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A/UX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> >You forgot A/UX. > >> > >> Funny you should mention A/UX, I have my notebook full of original floppies > >> sitting here by my desk waiting to have them all imaged and put on a CDR. > >> Assuming all the floppies can be read, I plan to make a few extra CDRs. > > > >All my copies of A/UX came on CD. In fact, A/UX led me to buy my first > >CDROM drive. > > This one says version 1.1. Its part of my insane buying period, where > anything remotely like it I bought and hoarded, but didn't have time to > play with. Now my plan is buy VERY little, play a lot more. I went that same route. When I started collecting I went for diversity, but I found I never have enough time, so now I concentrate on a small range of systems I'm interested in, and even now I still wish I had more time to play with what i've got. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 28, Phil Schilling wrote: > I think Bill's got this one on the nose. A re-incarnation of Next. Maybe > the > industry is more ready for it this time around :>) NeXT shipped *A LOT* of machines, man. Now, granted, nearly none of them went into households, but they installed (by practically giving them away) huge numbers of them in american colleges, and a large nameless US Gov't agency bought a VERY LARGE number of them. I'm definitely not trying to be a NeXT-tribesman here...but NeXT's products, and their relative success & failure, are some of the most misunderstood things in the workstation industry. -Dave McGuire

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > > > just how much has been lost to time in the onslaught of Microsoft and > > > > Unix > > > > What I'd like to see is a community effort to make a new OS that does what > > needs to be done without worrying about being compatible with something that > > currently exists.... Sure, it may not have a lot of software available... > > Two examples of the results of that... AmigaDOS, BeOS. There are others. AmigaDOS is different, but I don't know if it has all the features I'd like. As far as I know, BeOS tries to be somewhat Unix compatible. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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A great day!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 27 Jul 2001, at 22:30, Frank McConnell wrote: > > You want to inquire about software too. The hardware is mostly > > HP2100-family stuff. The software is what makes it a time-shared > > BASIC system, and turning that up would be a Really Good Thing. > > Oh I will. I'm told they "have all sorts of software" for them. We'll > see. Many of us are looking forward to a copy of 2000 Access... -dq

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AU/X

by ken＠seefried.com

> Was the version you were running a C2 version? I was running A/UX 2.0/C2, > it was painful. Please. Try running the A/UX CMW version. Validated B1(+) level system. Also had a secure X Window system (no cut-and-paste between windows with different security labels, etc.). My first "real" job was with SecureWare, the company that wrote it (and similar systems for HP, DEC, Tektronix, etc.). And, yes, we wrote the C2 subsystem for SCO Unix. People who want to run C2 & B-level systems almost never know what they are getting into. Ken Seefried, CISSP

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parts of the PDP-1

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257805883> There was a story about the Computer Museum being donated a PDP-1 or a PDP-6 or some such and then being dismantled and sold off as parts in the gift shop. Now I've never heard the official story from someone who really knows, but this item on Ebay sounds like it might be the evidence. --Chuck

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by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I think Bill's got this one on the nose. A re-incarnation of Next. Maybe the industry is more ready for it this time around :>) Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Personally, I think there's too much UNIX in OSX. They not only took the > kernel, but the entire environment as well. > Otherwise, (this wioll keep us within the ten-year rule), it reminds me of > MiNT/MultiTOS. Incompetent OS programmers who can't make a functioning, full- > featured system of their own just take a kernel off the rack and add some > glue. Granted, OSX is an entirely new system of its own whereas MiNT retained > TOS capability. But it's a tried and old concept. Actually, as far as I can tell, OS X is a revamped NeXTStep. Didnt anybody else laugh with glee (to themselves) when Apple releasd the G4 cube? "Wait a minute, i've seen this before.." Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Extra copy of "Apollo Computer" book by Hall

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: For those interested, I seem to have found at home another copy of the history of the Apollo guidance computer book by Eldon Hall, speaker at VCFE. I purchased a signed copy from him today because I thought that I didn't have a copy at home. Surprise! So if anyone is interested in the *unsigned* copy, I'll let it go for $35 including shipping. I paid $45 for the signed copy and bought my first copy on Amazon for about $55. Again, interested parties please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Sun 3/110 is alive!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 28, Anthony Clifton - Retrocomputing.com wrote: > I booted the 3/110 that I got from Tom Uban and it comes up, runs SunOS 4.1.1 > and also runs xwindows. Cool! > > All on a spiffy 19" monitor. I think I'm going to like this machine. =) Kick ass! The 3/110 is a fairly unusual machine. And a significant departure from the [otherwise reasonably consistent] Sun numbering scheme. A darn good design, in my opinion. -Dave McGuire

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OT: Humor Moving to Florida -- VERY FUNNY!!!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 28, Gene Ehrich wrote: > > For any of you that wanted to know what's it's like to live in Florida! > > I disagree entirely. The record high temperature in the history of the > Tampa Bay weather bureau is 97. It has never been any higher. We have never > had a 100 degree day. The hottest days in NJ are much hotter than the > hottest days here. We have more days above 90. The temperature here is 89, > 90 or 91 every day. Every summer NJ has many days that are higher than the > record highs here. Though the original message was intended to be humorous, I have to agree with you here. Though I've lived in the Washington DC area now for about nine years, I've lived in Tampa for a while, and I have a house (a rental property) in Treasure Island...Every day of the Washington DC summer that I sweat and choke through leaves me longing for Tampa Bay weather. Nowhere near this hot in the summer, nowhere near this cold in the winter, and a certain lack of bullets flying overhead makes it so much more...relaxing. -Dave McGuire

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Booting A PDP-11/23

by univac2＠earthlink.net

I recently found a PDP-11/23 (Model 11C23-FE) at Goodwill. It is in a tall slim tower style enclosure, has a dual 5.25" floppy disk drive, a hard disk, and 1024KB. It passes the memory test, and trys to boot from "DU0". The light on the hard disk comes on for a few seconds, and then I get the message ERROR UNIT DU0 ERR 13 DRIVE NOT READY WISH TO REBOOT [Y,(N)]? So is something broken, or am I just doing something wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Owen

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Booting A PDP-11/23

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> I recently found a PDP-11/23 (Model 11C23-FE) at Goodwill. It is in a tall >> slim tower style enclosure, has a dual 5.25" floppy disk drive, a hard disk, >> and 1024KB. It passes the memory test, and trys to boot from "DU0". The >> light on the hard disk comes on for a few seconds, and then I get the >> message >> >> ERROR UNIT DU0 >> ERR 13 DRIVE NOT READY >> WISH TO REBOOT [Y,(N)]? >> >> So is something broken, or am I just doing something wrong? Any help is >> greatly appreciated. First is there a hard disk drive there???? If there is start with Tony's suggestion of checking the enable and ready. IF not, you'll need a drive maybe. Do either of the floppies or their lights become active???? If they are it's looking for bootable media and there is none. The other possibility is the drive(s) is/are disconnected or maybe plain DOA. Allison

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cipher f880 dosc

by wrking＠dadaboom.com

Does anyone know where an online copy of the cipher f880 docs might be found? What I really need is the definitions of the switch settings internal to the drive (which one controls parity?). Thanks, Bill

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Free in DC area: Fuji SMD drives

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I've got 5 Fuji 8" SMD drives (M233x and similar) just inside the DC beltway (I-495) available immediately. You pick up only; I will not ship these (weight with power supplies is 35-45 lbs each). They all worked about three years ago, the last time I fired them up. Anyone hauling them away also gets my collection of Emulex SMD controllers and Fuji SMD manuals, and the rack mount slides/trays, and whatever else I feel like making you take. Also available are some 8" Pertec voice-coil floppy drives, in "parts only" condition. Manuals and some Pertec-specific test equipment are available too. Again, you-haul. Email if interested; first-come, first-served. Tim. (shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com)

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Free in Austin, TX: PDP-11 equipment

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got the following PDP-11 equipment free for pickup in Austin, Texas. David Williams from Houston has first shot since he is coming to pick up some uVAX-IIs, but anything else left is fair game. If you come get something (email me first!), you have to promise that it wont be scrapped or the front panels sold on eBay for some rich CEO's wall collection. I'd like it to all go to good homes where it will be appreciated. (god, I sound like an animal shelter) - PDP-11/60 and UNIBUS expansion cage (and some maintenance printsets) - two RX01's - one RK05J If anyone is interested, please email me. This stuff CAN NOT and WILL NOT be shipped - i cant even get some of it out of the crate I got it in. 8-( Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> Don't you think it strange the bidding went from $50 to $600 in one bid? > When $50 seemed to high? > I smell a wumpus, or a rat! I've seen this happen a couple of times. Someone that really wants something will put a very high bid in, knowing that no matter what happens the eBay bidding mechanism will automatically up their bid. Someone else that really wants the same thing will then come along and put in a very high bid. This causes the bid to automatically shoot up to the lowest of the high bids. Fortunately I don't bid this way. I only bid what I'm willing to pay and that's it. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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A great day! 2000 Access

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> oh? people are looking for a copy of 2000 Access? > > I have two copies on mag tape. One tape is 2000 Access for the 2100A/S and > the other is for the 21MX family. I didn't know people were still searching > for that, I thought everyone knew I had copies of it. So if people need a > copy of the tape, just let me know. Not a tape, but perhaps a .TAP or .TPC image of the tape.... ...the simulator doesn't have a real tape drive, you know... Regards, -doug q

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dittman＠dittman.net

> MacOS X. I'm a believer. First Unix that manages to avoid looking like Unix > (except if you want it to). I've never seen an X windows manager that did > any good other than making the Unix metaphor just pretty, not less complicated. > OS X, on the other hand, does an excellent job at hiding it away from the > casual user, but not making it ridiculously difficult for people to get > their hands dirty if they want. You forgot A/UX. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know the font used in the d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo, and on the old pdp logos and rack header plates? Thanks. bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Free in DC area: Fuji SMD drives

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > You mean Pertec, or PerSci? I've got a few PerSci drives, but I wasn't aware > that anyone else made voice-coil actuated FDD's. Yes, I really meant PerSci. If nobody here takes the drives, they'll go to a local metalworking enthusiast who melts down the castings... Tim.

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need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive...

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Wed, 25 Jul 2001; "Daniel A. Segel" <Daniel.Segel(a)wcom.com> wrote: > I have a circa 1982 IBM PC that has a Seagate ST-251 in it attached to a Data > Technology Corp. DTC-5150CI controller with a BIOS on it. Everything works fine > and the PC will boot up (it's running PC-DOS 3.3) and I can navigate around and > look at all the files, etc. > The problem is that I want to pull the files off of this drive, and the 360K > floppy doesn't appeal to me a method of transfer (the hard drive is almost full.) > There are three ways I can imagine doing this: > 1. Get an 8-bit ethernet card working under DOS 3.3 and somehow connect it to > my home network, > 2. Install a second HD in the PC that's running off a more modern controller (IDE?), > 3. Install the ST-251 into a more modern PC. > Any tips? Any other ideas about how to get the data off of this drive? And joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> suggested: > How about LapLink or FastLynx? I've used both of them A LOT and they > work great for situations like this. Another suggestion would be Brooklyn Bridge. You can transfer files using a cable connecting the two parallel ports together. Also will work with the serial ports Mike

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OS/400 anyone?

by optimus＠canit.se

While at the junkyard yesterday, someone had dumped a bloody lot of QIC tapes. The original labels said "AS/400 SYSTEM SOFTWARE" and such things. Great, right? But then there were additional labels saying such things as "H:\ NT BACKUP". Arrrrgh! They're reusing OS/400 tapes for such things? Bastards! -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.

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Pocket protectors Was: RE: Fun "events" for VCF

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> said: > > > > > > Vintage geek clothing contest. > > > > heh. the winner should be someone who manages to find a way > > to wear both a t-sheet and a pocket protector... > > And how many here have wore a pocket protector on a regular > basis in the past? I used to collect them (still have them), but never used them... But from time to time, I'd meet someone who should... especially when fountain pens were a bit more common than today. -dq

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Importance of Grounded Power?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I recently got an old AlphaServer 4/275, and it worked for a while, and > then after I moved into another room, and it stopped working. I only have > one or two grounded outlets in my apartment, so I had to hook it to a > non-grounded one (via a surge protector, plugged in with a grounding > adaptor). The only stuff I run that way would be PCs... for the Prime, I made a custom 50-foot 30-amp grounded extension cord, and run it all the way from the grounded outlet in the basement upstairs to where the computer is. regards, -dq

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Importance of Grounded Power?

by tsmurphy＠addr8.addr.com

I recently got an old AlphaServer 4/275, and it worked for a while, and then after I moved into another room, and it stopped working. I only have one or two grounded outlets in my apartment, so I had to hook it to a non-grounded one (via a surge protector, plugged in with a grounding adaptor). I'm not sure if it's coincidence, but that appeared to kill the AlphaServer (the power supply, to be precise). Is it technically possible for non-grounded power to be able to kill a system? In general, what type of hardware will require real grounded power to function? I have a whole slew of PC's, for example, using non-grounded power outlets without a hitch, so is this only going to be a problem for industrial equipment, like AlphaServers? Also does anyone know where I could get an AlphaServer 4/275 power supply for cheap? Thanks, Terry

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 28, 1:00, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 12:35:04AM -0500, Eric Dittman wrote: > > You forgot A/UX. > > Forgetting about A/UX is a GOOD THING. :-) Agreed! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Ethernet -- thicknet and thinnet before 10BaseT

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 26, 19:31, Bill Pechter wrote: > > Several transceivers connected to the same cable allow several machines > > to communicate. In a sense, the transceivers together with the coax cable > > form the hub. > > > > The T-pieces are, indeed passive (all 3 connectors connected in parallel > > in the obvious way), but they're not really the hub. > > > > -tony > > It's really that the hub doesn't exist on a bus network like 10Base2 > or 10Base5... all the Tee connectors are doing is replacing > the vampire tap on thicknet... > The thinnet "Transceiver" is really built on to the card on > most PC's and is the same (basically) as the old thicknet > transceiver attached to my Sun my Unix boxes -- they can go from > Thinnet to Thicknet by swapping the N-Connector top to the > BNC connector top. And thinnet can go to thicknet with just an N to BNC > adapter -- but the max length and specs drop to thinnet specs. > > Hubs really distort the logical ethernet bus topology. Not really. Logically, the innards of the hub are the bus. The ports are the taps. Then, since the stations connected are typically some distance away, you use an appropriate technology to get the cable to them, and that's why there are additional transceivers (one on the host card, one on the hub port) to drive the signal over a resonable distance. It certainly changes the physical layout of course (short bus long drops instead of a long bus with short drops). > Now 10/100 switches really screw with it. Those switches are just bridges, which have been around for decades (albeit with fewer ports). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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VAX 11/750 info

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Uhhhh, my 11/750 has a standard normal-looking 3 prong standard-outlet fitting plug.. It never has had a 30A twist-n-lock connector in all the time I've owned it... Is this a bad thing? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Apple ][ boards -- what have I found?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 27, 23:15, Tony Duell wrote: > > On Jul 26, 18:38, Tony Duell wrote: > > > There seems to be a 6522 (on the BBC side) with the ports connected to > > > the ports of the 8255. That seems to be on the Z80 bus. > > > > I've not looked at one for a while, but that makes more sense. Presumably > > the 6522 is mapped into the Beeb's 1MHz bus space. > > Don't you mean _Tube_ address space ? :-) Er, yes, that was a typo, induced by trying to type 15 minutes of email in a 5-minute slot :-) In fact, part of the reason the Torch board causes Beebs to misbehave if Torch's own code doesn't grab it and hide it, is that the 6522 is seen by Acorn's Tube code (in the DNFS ROM) and Acorn's code will try to initialise it (and gets it wrong, of course). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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A/UX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >You forgot A/UX. > > Funny you should mention A/UX, I have my notebook full of original floppies > sitting here by my desk waiting to have them all imaged and put on a CDR. > Assuming all the floppies can be read, I plan to make a few extra CDRs. All my copies of A/UX came on CD. In fact, A/UX led me to buy my first CDROM drive. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> >I used to run A/UX on a II (later IIfx) and I liked it. I > >didn't find it all that much slower than running the MacOS > >straight. I can even remember playing Hellcats (I think > >that was the name; it was a WWII flight simulator) under > >A/UX and it was pretty smooth. > > Was the version you were running a C2 version? I was running A/UX 2.0/C2, > it was painful. No, I ran the standard version. Also, things greatly improved with 3.0. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> >You forgot A/UX. > > That's where I first touched both UNIX and a Macintosh, trust me, it's best > forgotten. Once that WIS Workstation was loaded with MacOS 7, it flew! > Before that it was a dog, despite being based around a Mac IIfx. I used to run A/UX on a II (later IIfx) and I liked it. I didn't find it all that much slower than running the MacOS straight. I can even remember playing Hellcats (I think that was the name; it was a WWII flight simulator) under A/UX and it was pretty smooth. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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A great day!

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"David Williams" <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> wrote: > that he has a ton of HP2000 manuals and a friend who has HP2000 > hardware he may be interested in parting with. I've wanted to work > with some HP2000 stuff again since I left high school. All in all a > good day. :-) You want to inquire about software too. The hardware is mostly HP2100-family stuff. The software is what makes it a time-shared BASIC system, and turning that up would be a Really Good Thing. -Frank McConnell

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A great day!

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

This has been a great day. First the Atari Portfolio and the BeBox. Then I'm picking up a bunch of DEC stuff from Bill here on the list but the thing that got me really excited is a co-work just told me that he has a ton of HP2000 manuals and a friend who has HP2000 hardware he may be interested in parting with. I've wanted to work with some HP2000 stuff again since I left high school. All in all a good day. :-) ----- "What is, is what?" "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited

by vcf＠siconic.com

I must say I was a bit surprised at how well done the show was. It wasn't over-sensationalized at all. On the contrary, I thought it was very well researched and did a good job of telling the stories and explaining the technical stuff. I was glad that they had more quotes from Jonathan Littman than from John Markoff. Littman told Mitnick's story closer to what really was going on, while Markoff stuck to his agenda of vilifying Mitnick, which he's spent the better part of the last five years of his career doing. Markoff is the kind of reporter I despise; one who attempts to make the news or mold it in his view rather than simply report it. But I don't think Mitnick's story is as rosy as he paints it either, and I think he's spinning some revisionism on it. He's certainly got some skeletons in his past that he's not owning up to. Anyhoo, Draper's story is pretty much how I've heard it told before. He really was just an unfortunate fall guy of sorts. The warehouse where they filmed Draper is where my computers used to be stored (well, a few still are, I'm not quite done moving yet :) There were some shots of me typing on an Apple ][ (you may have noticed the "CALL -151" on the screen at one point :) but you couldn't tell who it was, just hands. The display of 1's and 0's that showed periodically was generated on an Apple ][ as well (that is, by far, the acme of my career). There was also some other stuff, like 6502 assembler scrolling by, and of course the computers they showed rotating were all mine ;) Well, that was fun. One to the next show: I'm providing some Altair footage for a National Geographic special on computer history. I'm also in the process of developing a documentary on the F14 flight control computer, but that's a slow-going affair. Once the VCF's are over for the year then I hope to kick that up into full gear. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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ID these boards (pictures)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 27, Bill Bradford wrote: > Check out http://content.sunhelp.org/boards/ > > Anybody know what these might be out of? Definitely not DEC boards. Vaguely NCR-ish, but I'm really not sure. Can you put up a closeup of the backplane-side card-edge connectors? -Dave McGuire

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> In a sense, yes. I can't justify the cost of ownership (which is a lot > higher than the value of the machine) for such a machine. I'd rather spend > the money on something useful. I've got better things to put in the > space. I've got more interesting things to learn to fix than a PC where > half the components are probably unobtainable anyway. > > And I can assure you there's nothing that I want to do that I can't do on > my existing computers. OK, I'm curious, what hardware/Operating System do you use to get on the net? You've obviously got email access, do you have web, etc.? Zane

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FREE (for shipping) - a bunch of ISA and MCA token ring cards

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I have - ready for the dumpster- a bunch of token ringers. None are tested but came from working mo-chines. Heres' a rough breakdown of the 15 cards: 3 ea - NCR long MCA 16/4 cards, pn 770-00238 (2 B's, 1 A) RJ45 and 9 d-sub 1 ea - IBM short "Auto 16/4" FRU 92G7690 RJ45 only 4 ea - IBM short 16/4 FRU 74F9515 9 d-sub only 5 ea - IBM short 16/4 FRU 74F9321 9 d-sub only 1 ea - Thomas Conrad long ISA 16 bit w/ Tropic 500-4043-001 Rev A, 9 d-sub only 1 ea - 3Com TokenLink Velocity ISA 3C319 short 16 bit w/RJ45 and 9 d-sub Shipping by USPS, approx 10 lbs (might vary when packed but this is close). If not spoken for by Monday they get chucked. Postage would be from zip 42726

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need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive...

by lance＠costanzo.net

A parallel port ZIP drive is very handy for this sort of thing. Easy to setup; in your case I'd format a disk in the old PC (360K), take it to a newer PC, SYS it with 6.22, put the files on it for the ZIP drive, and boot it on the old PC. The parallel ZIP only needs a 1/2 dozen or so control files to work. a:guest (assigns ZIP to drive D) xcopy c:*.* d: /s /e (put it on the floppy when you sys it) It make take awhile. Go have lunch. Lance. At 12:37 PM 7/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >Here's the deal: > >I have a circa 1982 IBM PC that has a Seagate ST-251 in it attached to a Data Technology Corp. DTC-5150CI controller with a BIOS on it. Everything works fine and the PC will boot up (it's running PC-DOS 3.3) and I can navigate around and look at all the files, etc. > >The problem is that I want to pull the files off of this drive, and the 360K floppy doesn't appeal to me a method of transfer (the hard drive is almost full.) > >There are three ways I can imagine doing this: > >1. Get an 8-bit ethernet card working under DOS 3.3 and somehow connect it to my home network, >2. Install a second HD in the PC that's running off a more modern controller (IDE?), >3. Install the ST-251 into a more modern PC. > >I've been trying to get option 3 to work for a week now, but I'm not having any luck. Any tips? I'm currently trying to get the DTC controller to work in an old EISA 486 with a 1992 AMI BIOS, but I keep getting a "HDD Controller failure" message. I've tried it both with the controllers BIOS enabled and disabled. If the BIOS is enabled, it puts up a message saying "1 hard disk" right before the other error - this is the same message I see on the PC right before it starts booting. > >So I know the controller itself is "working", but it's not being recognized by the BIOS. I'm not sure what's going on. > >Any tips? Any other ideas about how to get the data off of this drive? Should I try another MFM controller? > >Daniel >-- >Daniel A. Segel >WorldCom >Employee Systems User Support >Phone: 916-373-4810; Vnet: 653-4810; Pager: 888-783-5951; AIM: DanSegel > > >

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QNX hosts

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 6:34 PM > Subject: QNX (was Re: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home) > > > > > > --- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > > > > QNX is a very cool operating system, which unfortunately (from my > > > >perspective) runs only on the Intel platform... > > > > > > Do some research, QNX runs on a *LOT* more than IA, and yes, it seems to > be > > > pretty cool. > > > > Agreed. I heard of QNX _years_ ago on the mc68k platform, long before > > I saw it for the first time (on a 486, running the air handlers and > > environmental controls at the science lab at McMurdo; they also use it > > on the research boats for data collection as well as environmental > > monitoring and control). > > > > -ethan > I think you must be mistaken. Perhaps you're thinking of another system? > I was in high school hanging out at the University of Waterloo when > Danny Dodge (??)came to pick up his lineprinter listings I happened to > be reading. It was the source code to what became QNX. He was > part of a 3 member team writing a real time kernel as an assigment > for a 3rd or 4th year real-time programming course. At the time > the target was a generic intel 80186 box. Most interesting was that > the cross development was done on a Honeywell Gecos mainframe... > > I later acquired QNX 1.0 for the 8088 IBM PC, Nabu 1600 (8086) and > Cemcorp Icon (80186 bionic beaver, a machine put into every Ontario school) > I still have all these machines - QNX was a perfect match for <512K > mmu-less memory systems. The Nabu also has an add-on discrete mmu > which allowed it to run Xenix in 512 K... amazing for the time as it benched > close to the speed of a VAX even with miserably slow WD MFM drives. > > Could you be thinking of OS-9 ? for the 6809 or OS-9000 ? > > Regards, Heinz He's not mistaken, while the latest version(s) don't look to still support 68k processors, it does support a LOT of different CPU's. http://qdn.qnx.com/support/hardware/platform/processors.html Zane

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The new VAX is alive!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Has anyone here successfully done this? I have the VAXen, I have a ROM > burner, I have the patches and I have a complete 32-bit file with the I've no idea, but I think people have done this successfully. I've only got one VAXstation 2000, and it's got bad RAM, so the only thing it's good for is a disk formatter (but then that was all I wanted it for in the first place). Zane

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ID these boards (pictures)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Check out http://content.sunhelp.org/boards/ Anybody know what these might be out of? No company name/markings that I can find. About the size of a modern PC motherboard, maybe a little smaller. They DONT look like DEC boards to me, but I may be wrong. The "levers" on each board to remove them are two different colors - one white with a label, one colored (I guess to color-code installing the boards). Each board has two card-edge connectors to plug into a backplane, and some have top-edge connectors (cables, etc, I would guess). Here's what they are so far: White Handle Other Part # ? -------------------------------------------------------- MICA green 176P1346-2-0 MICB green 170A113670-D DECODE green 176P1239-A DRIVER green 176P1238-B DMEM green/black? 176P1240-1-A FMEM yellow 176P1267-C MCS yellow 176P001282-C TERMINAL white 176A109450-A KBINT blue 176A116980-0 -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> When there get to be enough thieves that those law abiding citizens who get > robbed become tired of it, the law may change to the extent that your property > becomes worth more than the fleas that choose to steal it. In the meantime, > we'll just have to make stew out of their flesh, cat food from their innards, > and fertilizer from their bones ... <sigh> at least that way they serve SOME > useful purpose. Is it really worth the effort? Yup. Time to install that lime pit.... (BTW, I have instructions on how to make your own lime >from limestone, if anyone needs it). -dq

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need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive...

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

Well... If it were me, I'd just hook the things together modem to modem (or serial port to serial port as the case may be) and send everything over using terminal software. Procomm was what I used on my olde '286 and XT; Hyperterminal for my Pentium machine. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Segel <Daniel.Segel(a)wcom.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: need help with an old ST-251 MFM drive... >Here's the deal: > >I have a circa 1982 IBM PC that has a Seagate ST-251 in it attached to a Data Technology Corp. DTC-5150CI controller with a BIOS on it. Everything works fine and the PC will boot up (it's running PC-DOS 3.3) and I can navigate around and look at all the files, etc. > >The problem is that I want to pull the files off of this drive, and the 360K floppy doesn't appeal to me a method of transfer (the hard drive is almost full.) > >There are three ways I can imagine doing this: > >1. Get an 8-bit ethernet card working under DOS 3.3 and somehow connect it to my home network, >2. Install a second HD in the PC that's running off a more modern controller (IDE?), >3. Install the ST-251 into a more modern PC. > >I've been trying to get option 3 to work for a week now, but I'm not having any luck. Any tips? I'm currently trying to get the DTC controller to work in an old EISA 486 with a 1992 AMI BIOS, but I keep getting a "HDD Controller failure" message. I've tried it both with the controllers BIOS enabled and disabled. If the BIOS is enabled, it puts up a message saying "1 hard disk" right before the other error - this is the same message I see on the PC right before it starts booting. > >So I know the controller itself is "working", but it's not being recognized by the BIOS. I'm not sure what's going on. > >Any tips? Any other ideas about how to get the data off of this drive? Should I try another MFM controller? > >Daniel >-- >Daniel A. Segel >WorldCom >Employee Systems User Support >Phone: 916-373-4810; Vnet: 653-4810; Pager: 888-783-5951; AIM: DanSegel > >

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Imagine different front panels depending on which PDP11 you software > > > configure... > > > > And none of them have the feel of the real thing... > > > > -tony > > Only if you miss the fan noise... You would mention that... I've got a Dell PowerEdge 2400 sitting three feet away that's slowly robbing me of my hearing... it has a "slow mode" but since airflow around the unit is a problem, I don't feel safe using it... so it stays set on "hurricane"... -dq

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building a PDP11 from the things you find at home

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Tony- > > > > I'm running SIMH on a 233MHz Pentium-1 with rather good response. At > > I stand by my statement. I don;t have a Pentium 1, I don't have any sort > of Pentium, and I don't have anything with a 233MHz master clock. This, then, by choice, I take it? > > least, TOPS-10 seems as fast as it was at university loaded with > > students... > > Hmm... I think I'd rather have a go at making a real > PDP10.... That could be an 'interesting' project.... I'm not sure what would qualify as "real" to you... would it have to be a machine built from the original schematic prints? Or would a re-implementation using modern devices (e.g. FPGA) qualify as "real"...? -dq

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Apple ][ boards -- what have I found?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 26, 18:38, Tony Duell wrote: > There seems to be a 6522 (on the BBC side) with the ports connected to > the ports of the 8255. That seems to be on the Z80 bus. I've not looked at one for a while, but that makes more sense. Presumably the 6522 is mapped into the Beeb's 1MHz bus space. > I've found a part-populated board marked 'Torch Computers 68000' which I > believe to be from a Unicorn (it's not from a XXX or anything later). It > has a 40 pin connector on it, which suggests it connects to the Tube as > well. Oh, then I stand corrected. The Tube is the only 40-pin connector on a Beeb. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Vintage Mac TOPS Flashbox

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

John: You wrote: "People who can help Fred should reply to his address.", but I can't figure out this address. Anyway, I noticed that one of the big electronic surplus places had tons of TOPS network stuff ~5 years ago. I think it was Alltronics in San Jose, but I am not sure. -Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: +ACI-Frederick Scholl+ACI- +ADw-freds+AEA-monarch-info.com+AD4- Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Vintage equipt Dear John, I am trying to find vintage mac networking equipment, specifically TOPS Flashbox and TOPS Flashcard. They were used for interconnecting Macs and PCs around 1991. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Fred Scholl ----- Original Message ----- John A.

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IBM-PC keyboards

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

I picked up an IBM keyboard at the Village des valeurs on saturday. It has nice tactile feedback, no vanity keys and takes up less desk space then my aged Keytronics. Cool. However, it "doesn't work". When I plug it in and start the computer, all 3 leds go on, then NumLock goes off and nothing responds as I would expect (caps, scroll, del to get into bios, ctrl-a for adaptec scsi monitor) I was under the impression that there were 2 types of keyboards for clones: PC/XT and AT keyboards. This keyboard has a PS/2 style miniDIN-6 connector (though I now notice it doesn't have the rectangular plug in the middlish that my other keyboards do), so I assumed it would be AT and therefore compatible with modern motherboards. No luck :( Looking on the bottom I see : Part No : 1395300 IBM ID No : 2117313 Date : 12-05-1992 (C) IBM Corp. 1984 Plt. No. : WP1 Model : M2 Made in USA [bar code] 1395300112117313 So, do I have a defective keyboard? Or is this not even a PC keyboard but for some other piece of equipement? -Philip

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