- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

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EIA / telco "standards" for switch/datacenters?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Can anybody point me to a "standards" document for things such as telco/datacenter wiring 'best practices', EIA standards, etc? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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VMS Setup

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

Thanks for all the replies re the desktop VMS setup. Sounds like I need some type of VAXstation 4000, I haven't seen any pop up on the UK Ebay site but no doubt a bit of resourceful googling will turn something up :-) Thanks again! Al

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vaxstation video connector

by rdd＠smart.net

Something I forgot to ask... is the db-15 connector on the VAXstation 2000 the same pinout as that of the DECstation 3100? I'm just wondering if the same type of cable/monitor used with the DECstation can be used with the VAXstation. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:18:28 -0700 "Chris Kennedy" <chris(a)mainecoon.com> writes: > > > over either the bus or the half bus/half truck (I forget what they were > > > called). > > > > CREWCAB!!! > > Now that I stop to think about it, wasn't that the "Combi"? Hmm, interesting-- I always thought the 'Kombi' was a windowless Bus-- you know, kinda like a panel truck. So, what *do* you call the four door VW pickup truck? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Hans Franke wrote: > > Well, acording to other sources you may substitute any > > American car brand (at least during the 70s and 80s) and > > you still get the joke goin'. > > Hans, have you ever driven or ridden in a comfortable large American > car from the early to mid 1970's, and seen how solidly it was > constructed, and how it had features missing from today's newer cars? > Back then, one could even choose from a very wide, by today's > standards, variety of carpet styles/textures and colors as well as the > types of seat coverings, styles of seats, etc. Yeah, I saw *six* Chevy Vega models this weekend... at least, I think *one* of them was a Cosworth... -dq

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Free: Tandy 1000 TX

by jss＠subatomix.com

Hey, I'm not sure how desirable this, but I figure someone on the list might have fun with it. I've got: Tandy 1000 Personal Computer TX w/keyboard Tandy High Resolution Color Monitor CM-11 Tandy Dot Matrix Printer DMP-132 It is available for pickup in Norman, Oklahoma, or it can be shipped (taker pays for shipping). If no one wants it here, it will be put up for auction on eBay. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:55:39 -0700 (PDT) "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> writes: > It lasted 50K +/- 5K miles beautifully. Then it wore through the > coating of the cylinder walls, and in the space of another few feet of > driving, the pistons ate the aluminum block. Hey! I seen that happen once! A vega engine running on only *three* intact pistons definitely exemplifies the term 'klunker'. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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PDP-11/34 Available In DFW Area

by univac2＠earthlink.net

Well, since I got a nice rack mounted 11/34 with RL01 drives, I'm getting rid of my original 11/34. If you want it, you have to pick it up about 25 miles north of Fort Worth, Texas. It includes: PDP-11/34A CPU (2) RK05J Drives (I never tested these) Several Packs (These probably are bad, some of them are marked "BAD") Cables Power Control Unit The packs are marked RSTS/E, but I seriously doubt that they work anymore. As far as I know, the CPU should work, although I never did get the register printout. If you're interested, email me, and I'll give you more information, then you can make me an offer. Thanks, Owen

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Whats you oldest computer

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 12:36 AM 7/30/01 -0400, you wrote: > I was just curious to know what was the oldest computer any of you >own. PDP-5, Digital 1963.

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Pocket protectors Was: RE: Fun "events" for VCF

by mranalog＠home.com

Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> said: > > > > Vintage geek clothing contest. > > > > heh. the winner should be someone who manages to find a way > to wear both a t-sheet and a pocket protector... This just got me to thinking.... How did pocket protectors become associated with 'computer enthusiasts'? And how many here have wore a pocket protector on a regular basis in the past? I remember there was a time in school when I always wore my metal Pickett in it's leather scabbard hanging from my belt, but I never wore a pocket protector. I carried my pens in my pants pockets. My father wore a pocket protector all the time even when he was not in uniform. In the 60's he managed gas stations. Uniform shirts were expensive and the pocket protectors were handed out for free by parts, tool, and oil distributors. In the pocket protector he always carried - a tire gauge, two pens (for filling out credit card slips), and a small screwdriver. I just never associated pocket protectors with anything high tech. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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vaxstation video connector

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On 28 Jul, R. D. Davis wrote: > Something I forgot to ask... is the db-15 connector on the VAXstation > 2000 the same pinout as that of the DECstation 3100? DECstation 3100 cable, or rather the cable BC23J 1 - red 2 - ground 10 - green 11 - blue VAXstation 2000, or rather the cable BC18P The following taken from ringing out a cable some time back. At the time I did not know the actual pin numbers of the connectors, so I just assigned them myself. Keyboard connector: _______ | | | o o o o | ----------- k 1 2 3 4 Mouse connector: v m 7 6 5 o o o m 1 o --- o 4 > o o < m 2 3 1 - nc 2 - nc 3 - BNC shell 4 - m5 5 - m2 6 - m3 7 - k3 8 - k2 9 - video 10 - nc 11 - nc 12 - m1 13 - m4 14 - k1 15 - k4 And I think that somewhere around here is a couple spare BC18P cables. Mike

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Whats you oldest computer

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> I was just curious to know what was the oldest computer any of you >> own. The oldest one I actually own is an apple II+ (1978?) and the oldest PDP-8/f manufacture date 1973 Other include an Altair, TRS80 (rev-A board) Allison

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California Computer Systems (S-100)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Assuming the machine is complete it should be operable as I had two (gave one away) and the one I still have still works quite fine. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Scott Glassburn <sglassburn(a)worldnet.att.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: California Computer Systems (S-100) >I am a novice to this class of computer. I have been given a near mint >condition business CCS system with dual eight inch floppies. I am looking >for some vintage references to help me learn the basics and schematics of >these vintage bus types... > >I am well aware of the historical significance of these systems, but never >have seen or used one before... > >I am a certified PC technician, and have had much experience with PC's and >mainframes... > >I am excited to get this machine and would like to preserve it. This system >includes manuals and schematics -- but I need an "S-100 for Dummies" type of >reference to help me get started. >I'd be glad to forward specifics if anyone has interest and patience.... > >Any replies would be appreciated... > >Very Kindly, >Scott Glassburn >(304)984-0559 >sglassburn(a)att.net >

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VMS setup

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >I'm going to have to disagree with Allison on this one. I strongly believe >that a VAXstation/MicroVAX 2000 is not a good system in this case. There >are two major problems that I see, both related to the disk interface. >You're stuck with a MFM disk, all of which are getting very old, and you >can't connect a CD-ROM. If you're only going to have one OpenVMS system, do >yourself a favor and get one with real SCSI! I just put it out there. A 3100 is a better choice for more moden disks and also a faster machine but it's possible to set up a MV2000 easily enough. There is a scsi interface on it and there are port patches and even rom patches out there for it. What makes the MV2000 appealing is they are often found for free! >Also, why V5.4? The preferred landing zone for V5.x is V5.5-2. Why 5.4... smaller footprint and a tiny bit more legacy support left in it. Though, V5.5 is a good version too, that one was simply overlooked. Allison

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PDP-11/34 Available In DFW Area

by univac2＠earthlink.net

Just to let you know - the system has been taken by the first person to respond.

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> My 944 gets left at the stoplight all of the time by Detroit iron. But > I'll catch them and pass them in any corner. That's because your 944 is really an Audi... If you don't believe that, I'll bet you it was built in Ingolstadt... -dq

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NVRAM battery replacement (was Re: Thick Net Cable Terminator in Sydney Australia)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>was thinking about recycling one for a clock project (PIC or 8051 or mc68k >based, depending on which way I jump). Are there any components other than >the battery in the potted lid? i.e., can I just remove it entirely or >do I have to perform delicate surgery to seperate the front leads and solder >wires onto the front of the I.C. where the lid used to connect? Yes there are but finding the battery is easy with a small magnet as it's steel cased. then grind off the plastic in that area till you hit it. pry it out and add wires to another and your all set. I can do them in my sleep. Allison

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 06:49 PM 7/30/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > And where in the US (other than maybe a private track or open desert) > do you > > > do 190 mph? Lats time I bounced my speedo off the 150 peg in my 70 > > ...this country is full of egomaniacal cops who are too lazy, > > scared, or inexperienced to actually [gasp] CATCH CRIMINALS...so they > > bitch about how people drive instead. > >Don't they want to use molten iron for that? Never! They'd elimenate their source of revenue and they'd also run out of victums ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H er,ah offenders and then they'd have to go catch the violent criminals or find another line of work! Joe

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Russ Blakeman wrote: > And where in the US (other than maybe a private track or open desert) do you > do 190 mph? Lats time I bounced my speedo off the 150 peg in my 70 Certain thinly-patrolled stretches of Route 95 between DC and Georgia. However I'll be the first to admit that I don't do that very often...this country is full of egomaniacal cops who are too lazy, scared, or inexperienced to actually [gasp] CATCH CRIMINALS...so they bitch about how people drive instead. > Roadrunner GTX in the way-out secluded desert (about 1978) I got nailed by a > state trooper and the fine kept me from buying gas for a few weeks. He > clocked me at 162 on radar, freshly cal'd. Nice to have that speed but it > really serves no purpose on the highways. "Serves no purpose" is an interesting concept. My grandmother (who was a VERY wise woman) taught me that the only NEEDS in life are to paying taxes and dying. Everything else is optional. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Speech chips again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

A few days ago there was some discussion of speech and sound chips, which prompted me to dig in the spares box and extract a TMS5220 speech processor and the ROM that goes with it, made by Texas Instruments. For those who don't know, this was a rather interesting speech processor: it worked by setting up digital filters to model certain characteristics of the human vocal tract, and then used those filters (dynamically adjusted) to turn white noise (simulating moving air) or other sounds into speech. The ROM didn't store digitised sound at all, instead it stored the information about what type of source to use and what filter parameters to set up. Hence it was not much use for anything except speech, but it did a pretty good job of that and used less memory than, say, a Digitalker did (I have a Digitalker chip set as well). The TMS5220 was most often used with special serial ROMs, and was used as the (optional) speech processor in the BBC Microcomputer -- that's why I have a couple of sets. It was also used in some arcade machines, in one if the Texas home micros (TI99/8?), one of the Coleco machines (I think), and an obscure British 68000-based machine called a uMicro 2000. Texas made a couple of standard vocabulary Phrase ROMs, and custom ones for particular pusposes. The arcade machines and BBC Micro used custom PHROMs, -- TMS6100NLL in the Beeb -- but one I have out of a uMicro 2000 has a generic part number: VM61002NL. I know that the first standard vocabulary ROM was type VM61001NL so I imagine what I have is another standard part. Alas, I can no longer find the data sheets for either the TMS5220 or the PHROMs, and a web search hasn't turned up anything useful. Texas' website no longer has any info on those devices, neither does the company who deal with their obsolete products. Does anyone have any information about these things? I'd like to see (or hear!) what's in the PHROM I've found. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Netscape Archive

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1287.monmouth.com>@classiccmp.org on 07/07/2001 06:52:50 AM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: Re: Ultrix Netscape? > There has been quite a lot of talk on the NetBSD/pmax list about an elusive > version of Netscape for Ultrix. Has anyone ever seen such a beast? All > indications I get from a Google search is that there never was an Ultrix port, > but people on the list claim otherwise. Any Ultrix gurus around here who know? > There probably was one in the Navigator 0.9 - 1.0 days... It appears, though that there's nothing older than 3.04 on the FTP site anymore... I'll have to check my old CD's and see if there was an Ultrix version. Meanwhile... why not compile mozilla? Bill --- Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ ftp://archive.netscape.com/pub/navigator (anonymous) has version 3.0. Last summer I was able to grab 2.x from here too. - M.S.

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US Tour

by Hans.Franke＠mch20.sbs.de

Since I will spend the next 7 weeks in the US, on a cross coutry tour, starting in Baltimore in about a week (sorry, due circumstances I will miss VCF East by 5 days :(), I'd love to hear some hints about places to visit. The rough schedule will touch MD, NY, CT, RI, PA, OH, IN, IL, KA, CO, WY, MT, ID, WA, OR, CA - or so. Any Ham fests, swap meets, etc ? Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Russ Blakeman wrote: > Your Porsche with a 2.0L does that type of flat out speed - me thinks much > of it's abilities are in both the timing and gearing as my Ranger p/u has a > 2.0 and 90 is pretty much it on the open road, but I could probably put your > Porsche on the back and carry it without problem. Of course my Ranger is > basically a Mazda with a different trim and other parts. Actually it's a 3.6L with a LOT of torque. Though I'm no motorhead, I udnerstand that two spark plugs and two ignition coils per cylinder helps quite a bit, as does the very weird tuned-induction system in the intake manifold. I drove a 6.6L FireChicken for several years...this [stock] 911 will blow its doors clean off, above OR below 100MPH. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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VMS setup

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Besides the various 3xxx and 4xxx series machines mentioned a > MicroVax2000 > is also a possible machine and by far one of the smallest. It will run > V5.4 and > if you tailor it V7.2 (disk space is limited to a MFM rd54 of some > 159mb). > > Versions of VMS out there worth considering V5.4, 6.2 and 7.2 are common. I'm going to have to disagree with Allison on this one. I strongly believe that a VAXstation/MicroVAX 2000 is not a good system in this case. There are two major problems that I see, both related to the disk interface. You're stuck with a MFM disk, all of which are getting very old, and you can't connect a CD-ROM. If you're only going to have one OpenVMS system, do yourself a favor and get one with real SCSI! Also, why V5.4? The preferred landing zone for V5.x is V5.5-2. Zane

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Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If I remember correctly, in race ready trim, the Cosworth > engine based on the aluminum Vega engine was good for roughly 300hp. > I forget what the civilized production version in the Cosworth Vega > put out. Around 1980 or so I had one of the automotive magazines > with a big write up on what Cosworth did to it. Pretty interesting > stuff. Based on the Vega's tendancy to self destruct, I'd saw few > were manufctured and far fewer actually remain. I'm pretty sure the Cosworth's used the older iron 4cyl block, not the first-stab-at-the-Alcoa process, which Porsche used quite successfully in the 928... -dq

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Intersil PDP-8 prototyping kit

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The intercept was not the only one offered by intersil. The intercept was an expandable system where the supersampler was a single board thing to play with. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Tony Eros <tony.eros(a)machm.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Intersil PDP-8 prototyping kit >Ahh, I'll have to keep my eye out for one. > >-- Tony > >At 12:03 PM 7/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Tony Eros wrote: >> >> > I saw something a while back on eBay about which I'd like to get more >> > information or possibly track down. It was a set of boards and (I >> > think) a prototyping panel from Intersil based on their PDP8-on-a-chip >> > technology. I don't remember a lot about it, but I think it might >> > even have had a connection for running the whole thing off a set of >> > batteries. I'd really like to learn a little more about this and >> > maybe even snag one. >> >>It's called the Intercil Intercept Jr. I have one in my collection. >> >>Here is a picture: >> >>http://online.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.InterceptJr.html >> >>Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >>International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org >

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Intersil PDP-8 prototyping kit

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Your looking for the intersil "sampler" a 6960 with 256words or ram and 1kw of rom plus a interface chip. CPU is 6100. you need a TTY or tty emulator and also the IO is NOT PDP-8 compatable. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Tony Eros <tony.eros(a)machm.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Intersil PDP-8 prototyping kit >I saw something a while back on eBay about which I'd like to get more >information or possibly track down. It was a set of boards and (I think) a >prototyping panel from Intersil based on their PDP8-on-a-chip >technology. I don't remember a lot about it, but I think it might even >have had a connection for running the whole thing off a set of >batteries. I'd really like to learn a little more about this and maybe >even snag one. > >I know it's not much to go on, but does this ring a bell with anyone? > >Thanks! > >-- Tony >

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > And where in the US (other than maybe a private track or open desert) do you > > do 190 mph? > > Three weeks ago it was one valley to the east, on the way home from Tahoe. > Of course that valley is a large, ancient lakebed, part of which is > technically "high desert", so maybe that fits into one of the categories > you mention above :-) Can't even imagine.... I've had the 5000 Quattro Turbo up to 140mph on a local straight section of interstate.... I think the car had more to give, but my cajones max out at 140... Hail to the chief! -dq

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VMS setup

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Besides the various 3xxx and 4xxx series machines mentioned a MicroVax2000 is also a possible machine and by far one of the smallest. It will run V5.4 and if you tailor it V7.2 (disk space is limited to a MFM rd54 of some 159mb). Versions of VMS out there worth considering V5.4, 6.2 and 7.2 are common. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Alan Pearson <Alan.Pearson(a)cramersystems.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classicmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classicmp.org> Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:34 AM Subject: VMS setup >I'm looking around for a VMS setup at the moment, but space is tight(as >always!). Can anyone offer suggestions for a smallish (desktop/under desk) >machine that's suitable for running VMS on? My only experience with VMS is >10+ years ago, version 4.something I think. It ran on an 11/780 cluster, >kind of out of my league :-) Any suggestions, pointers to websites etc? > >TIA >Al.

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:40:07 -0500 "Russ Blakeman" <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com> writes: > standard Beetles, never a super (didn't like them) and always lusted > over either the bus or the half bus/half truck (I forget what they were > called). CREWCAB!!! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On July 30, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > ...this is why NASCAR is so popular... it's driver vs. driver. > > I thought NASCAR was a food marketing organization. > > At least, nearly every package in all the convenience stores around > here has the NASCAR logo on it. Yeah, but isn't that because Jeff Gordon owns them all? -dq

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, R. D. Davis wrote: > Let's see if I can help to mediate this dispute... I think what Ethan > probably meant to say was that a Porsche is an overpriced Beetle with > a bigger engine and a squished body, which you should be able to > demonstrate to him the next time that he's in your area. :-) However, > I have to agree that a Porsche is overpriced, as I've seen US cars > with even bigger engines and special handling packages, that cost much > less, leave Porsches in the dust at stoplights. The look on the face > of a Porsche owner when an ancient rusting hulk of a US automobile > embarrasses him by leaving him in the dust like that is quite funny to > observe. ROFL!!! Ahh, you've missed the entire point. Porsches aren't muscle cars. There's more to cars than huge raw horsepower...sure a 70's camaro with a 6.6 under the hood will toast my 911 off the line...but he'll have to slow down to 25 to take the sharp turns that I take every day at 60-70. And that very same 6.6-powered camaro will start to shake itself apart at around 120-130, while I can trivially take my 911 clear up to 180 before I only back down because I'm pissing in my pants. I've seen that look of embarrassment on Porsche owners' faces before too...but only the ones who've mistaken their Porsches for muscle cars. I've owned two 911s...Knock 'em all you want, but drive one for a while before you do so. Otherwise, and I mean this respectfully, you frankly have no idea what you're talking about. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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NeXTSTEP Developer available

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I have 3 spare copies of Nextstep Developer ver 3.2. This is the complete package as it came from NeXT still in the original package. That includes: Packing List CDROM in its original case. 'Thank You' letter from NeXT for purchasing. Supplemental Release Notes (5 pages) Installalation Pamphlet License Agreement Customer Satisfaction Survey postcard It does not include any comprehensive documentation on how to 'develop' applications. From what I understand, Developer 3.2 does work with NeXT OS 3.3. Also the CD is clearly marked "...for Intel processores and NeXT computers", so if you have the NeXT OS on an Intel box also then here's your chance. Of the three packages, one has not been opened and another has been opened but the CD case is still sealed. I'm asking $15 + $5 S&H, check, MO or Paypal. Mike

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AY-3-8910

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> The BBC micro doesn't have a AY-3-8910, period. I've just looked at the > schematic. > > You can add a couple of machines to the list, though : > > Vectrex games console > Tatung Einstein. > > Both of those contain AY-3-8910-related chips > Also Oric 1 and Oric Atmos Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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burning ROMs for KDJ11-SD

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I have a KDJ11-SD (M7554-SD from a DECserver 550) that uses 27256 ROMs, and a KDJ11-DA (from a PDP-11/53) that uses 27128 ROMs. Someone emailed me the PDP-11/53 boot ROM hex files. They're numbered 261E5.hex and 262E5.hex. I burned these into a pair of 27128's and plugged them into the -DA board, and it runs great. If I plug these ROMs into the -SD, I get the slow "KDJ11-D/S 1.0" message that means that the powerup selftest can't even get off the starting line. I'm guessing it means a bad ROM checksum. This same board runs RT-11 and 2.11BSD great if I boot from the Andromeda UDC11 disk controller. I tried burning these hex files into 27256 ROMs several different ways, for example: first half second half ---------- ----------- firmware all zeros firmware all ones all ones firmware <- this emulates 27128, A14 replaces PGM all zeros firmware You can plug a 27256 into a 27128 socket if it has been burned like case 3, since a run-mode 27128 socket has PGM/A14 pulled high. The board will not be able to tell the difference. Can anyone tell me the magic key to getting the ROMs burned for the -SD? Maybe there is a jumper that tells the board to use 27128 ROMs, but I haven't figured that out. I've figured out all but three of the jumpers by now. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117, USA Euclid Labs engdahl(a)cle.ab.com 216-266-6409

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:54:50 -0700 Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> writes: > BTW the new beetle sure will hold a LOT of old computers. ^^^^^^^^^ Hah. Yet *another* imposter! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:59:12 -0700 "Chris Kennedy" <chris(a)mainecoon.com> writes: > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > I have a couple later Type IIs, one 1975 and one 1976 Microbus. > >They use the same engine as a Porche 914, but, OTOH, I have heard the 914 > >decried as not a "true" Porche. > > Is that the 356-derived engine rather than the "standard" VW > engine? Mebbe. It seems like the 1.8L+ engines were of Porche origin, while the smaller ones were stock VeeDub units. > It's true, most people don't think of 914's as "real" Porsches, > except in the 2.7 and 916 variants, which used 911 engines. I'm obviously > guilty of that, since I didn't even consider the 914 (or the 924, > for that matter) when I composed my original reply :-( Argh. You *had* to mention the 924, didn't you? Shoot, the damned engine isn't even in the right place. It's just an Audi impersonating (badly) a Porche. > Then again, if it's got liquid cooling in more than its heads I > don't tend to think of it as a "real" Porsche... Yeh, I'll drink to that . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > ...this is why NASCAR is so popular... it's driver vs. driver. I thought NASCAR was a food marketing organization. At least, nearly every package in all the convenience stores around here has the NASCAR logo on it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Graphical WWW browser for MSX(!)

by optimus＠canit.se

Snapped this up from http://www.msx.org/ : ----8<----- Hi, MSXers, For those who dont believe, for those who laugh, for those who become terrified, finally, after a long time, Im announcing: FUDEBROWZER the graphical MSX web-browser Of course, this state-of-the-art piece of code only works with a multitask, multiuser, UNIX-like and TCP/IP capable operating system (in other words, only with UZIX). Say goodbye to "Internet Offline". Now its really "Internet Online". Further information, downloads, screenshots, source-code and explanations you find on UZIX page, section "WWW", at: http://uzix.msx.org See ya, Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Haben Sie schon mal einen Wegweiser gesehen, der selbst den Weg geht, den er weist? --- Ludwig XV (K?nig von Frankreich, 1710-1774)

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Let's see if I can help to mediate this dispute... I think what Ethan > probably meant to say was that a Porsche is an overpriced Beetle with > a bigger engine and a squished body, which you should be able to > demonstrate to him the next time that he's in your area. :-) However, > I have to agree that a Porsche is overpriced, as I've seen US cars > with even bigger engines and special handling packages, that cost much > less, leave Porsches in the dust at stoplights. The look on the face > of a Porsche owner when an ancient rusting hulk of a US automobile > embarrasses him by leaving him in the dust like that is quite funny to > observe. ROFL!!! Both the Porsche (911 Carrera 4) and the Chevy Corvette can pul in excess of one g-force laterally.... however, somebody makes a car that can pull 2.5G! I saw it in a chart, but can't recall which it is... at any rate, few people have the skills to operate a vehicle at one-G-lateral, so the comparison may need to involve drivers with comparable skills... ...this is why NASCAR is so popular... it's driver vs. driver. -dq

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > Hardly... a BMW has that large finny thing in the front that serves no > > > purpose in a Beetle. A Porche is an overpriced Beetle. > > > > About the only things that a Porsche and a VW have in common are > > ancestors that were designed by engineering teams led by the same > > individual. > > I have a couple later Type IIs, one 1975 and one 1976 Microbus. They use > the same engine as a Porche 914, but, OTOH, I have heard the 914 decried > as not a "true" Porche. They're not. They're awfully cute, though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 30, 9:39, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 10:09:10AM -0400, Bill Pechter wrote: > > IIRC -- it's a modified Helvetica... The original was pretty > > much a kind of wood-cut block thing that looked more like > > Futura then Helvetica. Then came the blue helvetica thing with > > the squarish dots on the i's. > > Then they paid big money for the maroon move and rounted i's. > > Anybody know of a *computer* (e.g., Mac or PC, TrueType or such) > version of this font? This was my original reason for asking, and > I would *love* to be able to replace some of the logos on some of > my equipment that is old and peeling off.. Mostly the rounded > pdp11 logos. There won't be a complete computer-based version of the font, because, like most logos, it's been modified from a standard font, and only some of the characters will have been created. The original is Futura, but the ascenders and descenders are modified. If you want to see a PostScript version of some logos, I did some a while back for pdp11.org, and you can find them at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/ as the pdp*.ps files. The one called pdp11_34.ps is an accurate rendition of one from my 11/34, though I can't recall whether I checked it against the panel or one of the manuals (probably the manuals). I should have a d|i|g|i|t|a|l one somewhere, too, but based on the later almost-Helvetica font. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Yeah, I saw *six* Chevy Vega models this weekend... at least, I think > > *one* of them was a Cosworth... > > Wow. the last time I saw a Cosworth Vega was in 1980. It was a > surprising car -- almost as surprising as the Vega I encountered > that someone had wedged a 350 into -- a car which, thanks to the Vega's > corrosion problems, folded in half one day when the owner put her foot > in it coming off the line one afternoon... We had one of those conversions running around town... but the owner claimed it was a 454... he *had* beaten on the fenderwells for some reasons or another... But it had to have Whilly bars.... *way* too much torque! -dq

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Printers used with Altair

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> So, here's the question. If I were a purchaser of an Altair in 1977, > which printer would I have purchased? What control code would it have > interpreted? Were the early printers sophisticated enough to recognize > "bold", "underline" or "italic"? The only certainty I can think of is Control-L (FF) == FormFeed, e.g. top-of-form. In '77, you got underline by backing up the carriage and putting underlines underneath the text you'd just printed... you got boldface by backing up the carriage and reprinting what you'd printed. Italics required an minimum 80 proof software upgrade of the operator... <hic!> -dq

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Whats you oldest computer

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 08:28 AM 7/30/01 -0400, you wrote: >Does it (PDP-5) work, Chuck? Its one of those, "It worked when I turned it off in 1995." Things. I've been getting around to bringing it back to life for a while now. --Chuck

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Thick Net Cable Terminator in Sydney Australia

by terryc＠woa.com.au

I have a 30 metre length of thicknet (10base5) with screw on fittings at each end and a vampire tap in the middle. As the cable gets dragged around from LUG fest to LUG fest, I expect the vampire tap to eventually fail and damage the cable. So, I am looking for someone (preferrably) in Sydney, Australia) who is able to break the cable in half and fit new screw fittings. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> "People without trees are like fish without clean water"

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Wang Computer

by mary＠sys4.com

I was just contacted by a company that is replacing their Wang computer system. They are looking for someone that would be interested in it. However they want to strip the data on it first. I know nothing about the Wang system, so I would have to strip the hard drive. However if it was to be used by another, the operating system would be of value to be left. Do you know anyone that may be interested in the Wang system and that would know how to remove the data without a strip. Thank you Mary Christensen mary(a)sys4.com

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Printers used with Altair

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: Well, I'm bored again and am looking at the Altair emulator code. There's room for enhancement in the line printer support code to support control characters of certain printers. So, here's the question. If I were a purchaser of an Altair in 1977, which printer would I have purchased? What control code would it have interpreted? Were the early printers sophisticated enough to recognize "bold", "underline" or "italic"? Maybe instead of sending the printer output to a text file, I can create an HTML file on the fly that supports the formatting codes with tags. Rich

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Gespac or G-64/G-96 bus specification??

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I've been tinkering with the Digilog computer that I found a while back. I found out that the CPU and memory cards are made by Gespac and that the cards (3U form factor) meet the G-96 bus spcification. Is anyone familar with the Gespac stuff or the G-96 bus spec? (FWIW I also found that the hard drive in the Digilog won't spin up so that means I probably won't be able to recover the OS :-( Joe

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