- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I posted some Commodore stuff to my website, for sale. 99% of the items are $2.00 or $5.00, so no outrageous pricing (you also pay shipping, of course). http://members.tripod.com/glhturbo/commo.html (Apologies for the annoying Tripod banner). All the details are there... One important note is that this is NOT a "first come, first served" sale. In order to have some fairness to the international and digest members of the list, if I get more people interested in an item than I have on hand, I will throw names into a hat and pick randomly. Thanks! Rich B.

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What's your coolest ISA card?( was Re: IBM 5150 PC)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > how about SILLIEST?? IBM professional debug facility. An entire half > > > > length card for the sole purpose of bringing two pins of the ISA bus to a > > > > pushbutton. It made the front cover of PC Tech Journal. > > That sounds a LOT like the Periscope debugger board. Is it? > > NO! > > Periscope (by Brett Salter) had several different versions, ranging from > little clips to go into an ISA slot alongside a board, to a full lenghth > board with "write-protectable RAM" that the debugger could be loaded into. Did anyone here ever get to use an ATRON debugger board? This was a full-length card that, as best as I can determine from my poor recollection, contained a discrete-IC implemnetation of the 8088 processor, which gave the debugger software the ability to get to signals that would otherwise have required a "bond-out" version of the 8088 (which I have no idea whether such beats existed or not). The software let you step though a program cycle-by-cycle, so you could *really* watch as a low level. It was essential in my work at the time, developing process control software for warehouses and distribution centers, all done the the Zenith Z-151 that now resides at home in the collection. Regards, -dq

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Service does still exist....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Agreed... System 7.5.5 runs fairly fast on it, but 8.0 is a bit > >of a dog... too much emulated code remaining? > > I've got 8.1 on mine and it seems more stable than 7.5.X. > There was quite a bit of 68k emulation still going on with those > releases though. It certainly would've helped if they had put a > cache on the 603. I have 8.1, so I'll have to give it a whirl on the 5300... -dq

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > For me, it should be a date to *mourn*, not to celebrate. > > I have to disagree, Doug. The historic events you so despise are the very > ones that have made my life *possible*. I grew up as a computer nerd in > rural Oklahoma -- not exactly the point of deepest or quickest penetration "When I was a young man, barely seventeen... went out to Hollywood to change my dream... Dusty Oklahoma was all I'd ever seen... ...and I was getting older..." Yeah, Louisville ain't a techno hotbed, either... Neither of us would have been any worse off if we'd never been involved with computers. I was going to major in choral music direction... took one required course in music theory and Computer Programming 101... and never looked back, that is, until recently... > Also, not every programmer produced from personal computing is a bad > programmer. I've seen quite a number of such people that should be > forbidden from ever invoking a text editor, but we're not all > that way. Agreed; and some would say it's worth filtering every grain of sand in the ocean just to get at the few grains of gold contained therein... > I may not have a lot of field experience (I'm not even out of college > yet), but I'm a damn good programmer. I'd say if you a damned good programmer, it's because you've developed expertise, regardless of how you got it. But I know lots of stories about PFYs getting their start in mainframe environments... Regards, -dq

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing (Was: RE: PeeCee turns 20) [longish]

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

At 05:16 pm 13/08/2001 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >For me, it should be a date to *mourn*, not to celebrate. Hmm, I'm going to have to disagree with you now... <snip> > >But I digress. While he was doing this, I was looking >around the store, and saw the Doom of Computing in the >form of a computer that didn't require a soldering iron >to build and use- namely, an Apple II. I think all of us have our own personal view on "when computing had it's golden age". For me, 1984 and the Sinclair QL was the peak of the microcomputer (as opposed to the IBM PC & clones). For you, it must have been around 197<mumble>. >The beginning of the end. I knew it then, and I was >proved right. I dispute that: Computers and computing go from strength to strength. There's more than just PCs out there; the mighty mainframe still rules the roost in many places, there's Apple Macs, VAX minis, Crays, and probably many others I can't even think of. And, for the soldering-iron fans, embedded computing is probably stronger than it ever was - *everything's* got a computer or three in it... >Again, it's nice to have fast, cheap >computers, but I for one would have been just as >happy for the next 20 years having fast, cheap TERMINALS >to hook to the mainframes. And the continued high cost of >entry would have kept from coming into existence an entire >generation of self-taught (and poorly so) programmers who >have and continue to crank out some of the worst software >imaginable. In the halcyon days, most of the bad code was >writtwn by the lusers themselves... That's a bit elitist, isn't it? Besides, most of the self-taught programmers of whom you speak are not really programmers; they're merely users with enough knowledge to be dangerous. Besides, if it wasn't for the microprocessor and all that it begat, this list wouldn't even be here... >Easy access to fast, cheap computers drove the genesis of >an entire generation of self-taught programmers who didn't >give a whit for structured programming or anything else that >resembles a methodology, and who single-handedly changed the >expectations that managers have about how quickly things >get done. Sure RAD helped speed programming along, but not >nearly as much just cutting corners... which the PC made >easier... damn, I feel a song coming on again: It wasn't the PC that made cutting corners easy; it was the near-universal use of BASIC - a fundamentally unstructured language - that is responsible for the bulk of the "bad programmers"; and I say that as a professional programmer who uses BASIC....! Maybe if PASCAL had been the language de jour, today's self-taught programmers would be better at it... >No, not only will I not celebrate it, but I need to >find a black armband to wear the rest of the month. IMHO, no. The PC had to happen; it was just a case of who got lucky (or had the best marketing). At the end of the day, the PC offered unrivalled expansion possibilities, a comparatively friendly OS (Gates did well to poach DOS), and good flexibility thanks to the lack of built in anything. Personally, I'd have liked to have seen a MC68000 based machine become today's PC (mainly because I'd already learned assembler on the QL). No doubt Commodore fans would have preferred the C128 or Amiga to "grow up" into the PC. Well, I'm off to dabble with my CBM PET, or maybe the MZ-80K. They're fun, but I wouldn't like to have to use them every day, day in day out... Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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Service does still exist....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >We had this service done on the boss' 5300ce back in '96... it's been > >a trouper ever since. it's plugged into the Prime acting as a serial > >console (even though the Prime is still down...). > > Gee Doug, what's the use of it being used as a terminal for a > system that isn't functioning at the moment? <g> it's called -Hope-.... oops, it's dashed now... > The CE has a great > screen...higher res. than the 5300c. Still the 5300c and it's active > matrix screen is nicer than the 5300cs. The 5300 may be a bit slow, > but it feels real solid now and with the various expansion bay drives > and the internal ethernet/video upgrade, it'll do me for a while. Agreed... System 7.5.5 runs fairly fast on it, but 8.0 is a bit of a dog... too much emulated code remaining? -dq

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Hazeltine 1500 Technical Info.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Hi used to know that beast like the back of my hand. Try this, pull the keyboard encoder (ay3-3500, 25 year memory test!) and see of the problem goes away. Those encoders somtimes get static blasted. I may even have an encoder (still!) for that one. Also try removing and banging the board to shake out loose junk on it. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Messick, Gary <Gary.Messick(a)itt.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Hazeltine 1500 Technical Info. >Does anyone have any technical documentation for a Hazeltine 1500? I just >plugged mine in, and it seems that I have some problems. I'm getting cap. >O's in the top half of the display, and overtyping does not always produce >the proper character. Everything's fine on the bottom half of the screen. >I'm thinking I have a bad RAM chip. Looking at the board, it's an 8080 with >IIRC 21L02's for RAM. I don't own a logic analyzer, and haven't correlated >the ASCII codes to see what bit's are stuck. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Gary

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PeeCee turns 20

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Iggy: >>Celebrate?? Well, "celebrate" in the broadest sense of the word. The PC may not be perfect, but warts and all, it's about the best thing that could have happened to my stock portfolio :-) Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Iggy Drougge [mailto:optimus@canit.se] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:00 PM To: Cini, Richard Subject: Re: PeeCee turns 20 Cini, Richard skrev: > It's tough going through August without a holiday, so I'm looking >for something to celebrate :-) Celebrate??? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Menyn ?r inte lika sexig som telnet, det ?r h?rt men sant. Petri Oksanen #38 p? SUGA BBS

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PDP 11/84's - any interest?

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Jerome, I converted an 11/84 to an 11/83 myself. The memory works fine on a Q-bus. It is connected to the CPU board via overhead flatcable. I converted an 11/84 to an 11/83 myself. Wim ---------- > From: Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> > Jerome Fine replies: > > While the power supply and backplane are heavy (if I remember), the > actual boards are probably worth saving. The CPU itself is a Qbus > board, but the memory is NOT Qbus compatible. And the rest > of the boards will be Unibus. > > I see that there was a deadline. Did anything get saved? > > Sincerely yours, > > Jerome Fine >

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Service does still exist....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've just had an example of truly excellent service and > thought I'd pass it on. For those that don't know, the Apple > Powerbook 5300 series is under a 7 year extended repair period due to > the type of plastic used in it's casing. Basically, up until > sometime next year, if there's a problem on a PB5300 series machine > that is attributable to the case, Apple will repair it. Last week, > the right hinge mounting block on my PB 5300c broke so I called Apple > on Monday. On Tuesday, Airborne Express delivered a box for me to > ship the machine back to Apple, on Wed. Airborne picked it back up. > It was delievered to Apple on Thursday and it was repaired and given > back to Airborne on Friday. Airborne dropped it off at my home just > about an hour ago. The machine looks like new and now has been put > through the full REA to repair the known problems covered, at no cost > to me. I'm not even the original owner of the machine. We had this service done on the boss' 5300ce back in '96... it's been a trouper ever since. it's plugged into the Prime acting as a serial console (even though the Prime is still down...). -dq

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Xerox Viewpoint on 5 1/4" disks Availaible, Astoria, OR

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have a factory carton with a set of Viewpoint 2.0 Software for the Xerox 6085 Star. It is on 5 1/4 inch diskettes. I would like to offer it to list members first before posting it on eBay. I believe it is complete, new and unused. I can provide more information to those interested. Unfortunately I am not open to trading since I need cash to go to the dentist. Please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com Paxton Astoria, OR

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Hazeltine 1500 Technical Info.

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

Does anyone have any technical documentation for a Hazeltine 1500? I just plugged mine in, and it seems that I have some problems. I'm getting cap. O's in the top half of the display, and overtyping does not always produce the proper character. Everything's fine on the bottom half of the screen. I'm thinking I have a bad RAM chip. Looking at the board, it's an 8080 with IIRC 21L02's for RAM. I don't own a logic analyzer, and haven't correlated the ASCII codes to see what bit's are stuck. Any help would be appreciated. Gary

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WE32100 (was: Re: What's your coolest ISA card?)

by ken＠seefried.com

From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> > What a shame, I can't find the 32100 in the otherwise great "Great > microprocessors of the past and present" > How about an introduction? Orginally, the We32000, but pretty qucikly moved to the We32100. This is actually the CPU; there was a complete set of support chips. 10MHz, with a later upgrade to 18MHz (still not very fast). Used in the AT&T 3B2, 3B5 & 3B20 machines, and also shows up in a number of other odd places (some AT&T PBXs, 5ESS switch, etc.). CISC architecture, designed (supposedly) to efficiently support C language compliation. There was a followon We32200 chip that I recall showed up in the 3B2/1000. I've got the We32100 reference manual at home, if any has specific questions. AT&T carpet-bombed Georgia Tech with 3b2s when I was there (~1985), so I used them quite a bit at the time. Actually really nice when used with the 5620 BLIT graphics terminals. I'd love to have one of those. Ken

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National Semi 32000 ICs available

by nielsph＠worldonline.dk

Hello Ken Seefried Ive just read the following at http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/2001-04/3528.html > Start I've recently come into a cache of National Semiconductor 32000 series ICs that I would be willing to part with for someone who is repairing something vintage that uses them. Contact me with what you can use and what you will use it for. The part #s are: ns32301 ns32302 ns32303 ns32081 ns16032 ns32008 ns16082 ns32082 ns32332 ns32382 > End Im currently searching for an NS32081N-15 FPU for repairing a Canon LBP4 laser printer. Im very interested to hear if you have the above mentioned device and what it costs. I live in Denmark, but I hope thats not a problem. Looking forward to hear from you. Best regards Niels Pauli Hansen

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Terminals

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> AT&T carpet-bombed Georgia Tech with 3b2s when I was there (~1985), so I > used them quite a bit at the time. Actually really nice when used with the > 5620 BLIT graphics terminals. I'd love to have one of those. I remember the shock I got when I was first introduced to the 5620, having just moved to AT&T from Xerox :-) My new boss was surprised to see my lack of enthusiasm, since I was "one of the lucky ones" to have a 5620 instead of the HP terminals (2620?) everyone else was using.. I'd just come from an environment where all development was done on D-machines with 21" monitors, suddenly I'm looking at a strange A4ish sized terminal which was hooked up to an Amdahl mainframe along with the rest of the site... whoa, culture shock! The mouse was the oddest thing I ever saw, a huge red half-globe thing with three huge clicky switches right on the rim, very uncomfortable to use. I was sad to see it go when a year or so later they upgraded a bunch of terminals to 630s with orange screens... orange on black never really worked for me :-) By the time I left AT&T they'd belatedly joined the desktop revolution and had equipped everyone with Sun IPXs, but the old centralised mainframe mentality never quite went away... all our home directories were remote mounted from a central server :-) Happy daze! -al

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New stuff

by jarkko.teppo＠er-grp.com

A reasonable weekend: - HP 9000/834 + 7959 disk with HP-UX 8.x. Another one of those "don't know root password, must play evil [cr][h]acker". My first ever PA-RISC :-) - HP 3000 Micro GX. I don't know anything about MPE and I don't know the manager (?) password. Must learn more. My first ever 3k :-) - HP 700-RX. Beats the pants of my old(er) 700-X. This one is usable for xpilot. - DEC VT-1200. A reasonable compliment to the pile of VXT-2000's. - Random junk. And as nearly always, no documents at all. Interestingly the 834 case is the same as the 9000/550 case. Does anyone have any pointers to easy MPE documentation ? -- jht

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^X (was: an odd question

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> Am I the only person here who instinctively uses ^S to halt screen output > and ^Q to restart it? Nope, I still find ^S/^Q useful for suspending/resuming Java apps when they output an appropriate debug string :-) -al

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classiccmp-digest V1 #683

by foxnhare＠jps.net

> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > Subject: Re: Finds in Houston > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote: > > Not exactly. Certain people are still buying monitors working or > not. One > > of my friends just brokered a deal on 3,000 old apple monitors. Not nice > > big ones either, but old 14" monitors. > > You have unusual friends. Or one friend who is REALLY strange. > Hmmmm. Why would a spammer want thousands of old monitors,. . . > Maybe for the viseogame market, if they are 14" composite color monitors, the apple ones have really good picture tubes... If they are VGA, they also have good picture tubes and possibly are also for the video games matket or maybe for a cheap all-in one internet appliance. As a Commodore fan it can be hard to get Commodore composite monitors because most other classic computerists/gamers know how good some of them are. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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^X (was: an odd question

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Control G is Bell. Some older electronic keyboards, including the one on > the Apple ][ have the word 'Bell' on the 'G' key. Actually, ^G is BEL (just three characters). In order: NUL, SOH, STX, ETX, EOT, ENQ, ACK, BEL, BS, HT, LF, VT, FF, CR, SO, SI, DLE, DC1, DC2, DC3, DC4, NAK, SYN, ETB, CAN, EM, SUB, ESC, FS, GS, RS, US, SP, and DEL. Eight-bit ASCII (at least DEC's implementation) added: IND, NEL, SSA, ESA, HTS, HTJ, VTS, PLD, PLU, RI, SS2, SS3, DCS, PU1, PU2, STS, CCH, MW, SPA, EPA, CSI, ST, OSC, PM, and APC. > ^Q (Xon), ^R (Yon), ^S (Xoff), ^T (Yoff). > > Am I the only person here who instinctively uses ^S to halt screen output > and ^Q to restart it? I rarely ever use anything other than ^S/^Q, except on a VTxxx terminal, where I will in the odd instance use the "Hold Screen" key. I'll also often use ^[ for ESC. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net School Zones: Man's attempt to thwart natural selection.

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

How could you not know what its worth? If its yours then you know how much its worth to "keep it" and thus anything more than that is a what its worth for someone to take it off your hands. Now I can understand if you're struggling with the issue of wanting to keep it but external forces such as spouses, storage requirements etc, are forcing you to part with it. Then the question of how much would it take before I would part with this jewel becomes more difficult to answer. If the question was actually, "However, I don't know what the maximum amount of money a single individual would pay for this system in this condition." Then the _only_ way to answer that question is to put it on Ebay which has a reasonably large sample size of people who might be interested in that system and are prepared to pay for it. Finally, the meta-issue is, if you're actually asking the second question then you shouldn't take it to a group of like minded individuals swapping "junk." You'll never get the "Ebay price" at a hamfest or a boot sale or junkfest, the market segment is large enough and there is generally no mechanism for adjusting the price dynamically. --Chuck At 08:12 AM 8/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > I have computer that's mounted in box that's slightly larger than a > shoebox that contains a PDP-11/23 CPU, 8" floppy drive, hard drive along > with RAM, I/O etc. It has RSX-11M installed. I'm debating bringing it to > the junk fest. However I have no idea what it's worth. > Joe

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CF Computer Junk Fest

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Greetings: I've volunteered to have the Junk Fest on the property where my computer shop is. I'm looking forward to it and hope that it's successful enough to happen again on a regular basis (either at my place or somewhere else). Central Florida needs more of this kind of action, IMHO, and I'm glad to be able to help. For those who aren't aware, this event will take place on Saturday, Sept. 8, starting at 9 AM. I'd like to ask everyone who's planning on bringing stuff for sale, trade, etc. to email me ASAP so that I have some idea how many of you there are. DO NOT email to my return address, but to acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net. Upon receipt of your email I'll drop you a note including exact directions to the shop. I'd also like to ask that everyone keep the PC-related items to a minimum: please don't bring a van full of 386s (and if you do, please don't abandon them -- or anything else --in my parking lot after the event is over). Also, DON'T arrive expecting to sell brand-new PC items, since this is what I sell in my store and I don't need the competition ;>) Hopefully we'll have a nice crowd and a lot of fun. Please send your comments, suggestions, gripes, etc., to my bellsouth.net address. Regards, Glen 0/0

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VCF 5.0 Exhibitors Wanted!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Are you exhibiting at VCF 5.0? http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/exhibit.php Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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PDP11/84 up for grabs

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a PDP11/84 (H7204) chassis available with the following boards: M8190 - no cpu M8191 N8637 M7556 M7547 M7860 M7860 M3105 M8789 M9202 M8648 M9302 M9049 unlabeled board The chassis has the power supply, no cables. The front PDP panel has some scratches and cracks. Operational condition is unknown, but the boards and chassis look to be in great shape. Please contact me DIRECTLY with your offer. Buyer pays shipping from postal code 99352 at around 100 lbs. Thanks Norm Anheier anheier(a)owt.com

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^X (was: an odd question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The ^mumble predates micros. I remember using ^O, ^S and ^X for PDP-8 in '69 and the notation was existant then. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: ^X (was: an odd question >On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Master of all that Sucks wrote: >> Well, MS-DOS 1.0 was doing it long before WordStar. > >"Everybody" was doing it long before EITHER. > >But, ... how could MS-DOS 1.00 (August 4 or 11, 1981) do it "long before" >Wordstar, which was running under CP/M for many years before the existence >of MS-DOS? > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com > > >

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PDP 11/84's - any interest?

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

A local computer scrapper has invited me out to look at some stuff he's got before he strips it and ships it out this weekend. He described it as a "rack full of PDP/84's with tape backups". He thinks there are three systems in the rack, and he mentioned that it was used for some sort of telephone switching system. Does anybody have any interest in saving this stuff? Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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HP-85A problems..dead CPU?

by Chris＠omtsalvage.com

I put my 85A back together today after fixing the power supply..Now it seems to be DOA from a short circuit caused by a misaligned flexprint strip connecting the PSU to the CPU board. The symptoms are: The CRT works, but no characters are displayed. Typing on the keyboard does not produce text either. The chip on the left rear of the CPU board, just in front of the two flexprint cables leading to the ROM drawer, gets rather hot almost immediately. None of the other chips exhibit this heat problem. This chip is marked "IMA8 0101 82055 SINGAPORE", and I believe it is the CPU because of the connection to the ROM drawer. One of the pins on this chip is connected to one of the traces on the flexprint involved in the short. Questions: Does anybody have a schematic for the 85? If this is the CPU, what pins should I be looking at for the clock? If the chip is shot, is there any way to get a replacement, or do I have to cannibalize another 85? mailto:Chris@omtsalvage.com

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LISP for VAX/VMS?

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

Does anyone know where I can find LISP for VAX/VMS? I want LISP on my 4000/60....

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Badly Warped Boards

by jss＠subatomix.com

I've come across a UNIBUS board that is seriously warped -- so badly warped that some of the components directly on the curve have snapped in half. I've seen others like it during various scrapyard excursions. What causes this deformation? Can it be repaired? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/11/01 11:00:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdp11(a)bellsouth.net writes: << I'm in Sanford (just north of Orlado), Sounds like a personal problem to me ;>) << so this sounds cool. Come on down! << It would be nice if somebody other than me showed up with some DEC PDP stuff :) I hope so too. << I am sure I have some PC bits and maybe a few Sun bits to get rid of. Look for my post on ccmp regarding the PC stuff. << BTW: glenatacme? Which Acme are you at? >> We are: ACME Discount Computers 5511 W. Colonial Drive Orlando, FL 32808 (407) 296-2333 Serving you since '92.

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any Onyx Z8000s out there?

by h.wolter＠sympatico.ca

I remember from my highschool days, the local Computerland (remember those?) had a lovely Onyx Z8000 machine that ran some flavor of unix. I seem to recall it had most of the unix commands available on the local university's PDP11/45 running v7, and that the architecture somewhat resembled a PDP11... Anyone have this machine? It was strictly a business box - serial ports, no bitmapped video, no video at all. It must have been in the early 80's when Apple II's were in vogue (and cost $CDN3000) and the Onyx was $CDN30K.. I could only find this blurb on a google search: a.. 1980:Onyx introduces the Onyx C8002 microcomputer. It features a Zilog Z8000 microprocessor, 256KB RAM, tape backup, hard disk, serial ports for eight users, and running Unix, for US$20,000. It is the first microcomputer featuring an implementation of Unix. cheers, Heinz

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recent additions

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I recently filled the car with these: Apollo DOMAIN Series 3500 Domain series 3000 model 3010 HP/Apollo series 400 (2) Sun 3/60 + tape drive and tapes Sun 3/50 Apple lisa 2 (2) apple II Ci Mac SE/30 with radius monitor Mac color classic Quadra 610 Quadra 800 Quadra 860 power mac 7200/90 Also available was a volker Craig terminal, and a copy apple's unix I also have "quite a pile of HP 712/715/725s in various condition" for me to pick up when I get some space cleared. IKEA has said that the missing piece to complete the shelving will be delayed another 3 weeks, and my wife says no more machines until the shelves are up!

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QBUS SCSI - Alpha Trade?

by dittman＠dittman.net

Is anyone with a good spare QBUS SCSI controller interested in trading for a low-end Alpha? I'd also be interested in a DSSI-SCSI converter. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net DEC Enthusiasts Club: http://www.dittman.net/

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overwhelmed with paper tapes

by mranalog＠home.com

Bill said: > Anybody out there have a paper tape reader, and would be willing to > run these through and produce some kind of binary file that would be > usable with various software emulators (or useful to someone who > wanted to punch their own copies of these tapes)? I dont want them > to languish around in my garage when someone somewhere could be putting > them to use. > Bill I can also read paper tapes into my PC. The files would be raw dumps of the tapes, handy for punching copies. One of these days I'm going to sit down and write a converter that detects the file format and extracts the data, but I'm not there yet. My setup is a DATA I/O paper tape reader (fairly new compared to most paper tape readers), a DATA I/O Series 22 PROM Programmer, and the PC. Normally, using the paper tape reader with the prom programmer you have to tell the programmer what format the tape is in before it can read it into memory. I made a special 'Y' cable so that the paper tape reader can get the 24 volts it needs from the prom programmer, but the serial lines from reader goto the PC. If the tape is fan folded (and it sounds like it is) I like to stretch it out down the hallway making sure it flat before it zips through the reader, just in case.... Let me know if I can help. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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What's your coolest ISA card?( was Re: IBM 5150 PC)

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

Does anyone know where I could find software for the Periscope card? Arlen Michaels > -----Original Message----- Fred Cisin wrote: > Periscope (by Brett Salter) had several different versions, ranging from > little clips to go into an ISA slot alongside a board, to a full lenghth > board with "write-protectable RAM" that the debugger could be loaded into. > >

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Steve Robertson said "Why don't you send out an invitation to the "Central Florida Computer Junk Fest". OK. How many of you live within driving distance of central Florida? Steve and I want to have a junk fest and clear out some of our unused junk ^H^H^H^H er, ah, hidden treasures. Steve suggested that we have it on Sept 8th. Interested? Joe >See ya, SteveRob X-Originating-IP: [63.68.245.221] From: "Steve Robertson" <steven_j_robertson(a)hotmail.com> To: rigdonj(a)intellistar.net Bcc: Subject: Re: Hey Dude! Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:46:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F89i67EKRuYDlrjbudz0000104e(a)hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 20:46:56.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[18828120:01C11F82] Joe, > Let me know what you're getting rid of. You may have something that I > can't live without! > Don't pitch the Kaypros. I gave away all the ones that I had but now > I've picked up a Kaypro 2 and I'm sort of attached to it. Do >you have > any docs or anything for them? Actually the KPs are pretty neat little boxes and I really didn't want to toss them. Just want to get some of them outta my way. I do have some of the original DOCs. Nothing technical though. Basic operators manuals, wordstar manuals, CPM manuals, Cbasic manuals, etc... I'll throw 'em in the truck when I come up. I've got some software here... Somewhere... It may take me a while to drag up it up. I'm sure if nothing else, Don Maslin or someone else on the CC list could provide a boot disk. Everything else can be downloaded from the CC archives. >Mike, Bob or Glen might want it, Bob and Glen are here in town. Hmm. I >was just thinking, we should try to get everyone together and >have a mini-swap meet. Besides you and me, Bob and Glen live here in town >and Mike lives in S. Georgia and Phil lives near Naples and I think >there's at least one other guy that lives near Tampa. I think that would be great. Maybe we could do it on Saturday Sept 8th. Everyone can throw their junk in their vehicles and we'll fight over it. Anything that doesn't get claimed, can live with you :-) > Can you tell me more about the 6800 box? > >Well... Put it this way... It's got Dual 8" floppies and total of 4K RAM. >The OS is just a "monitor" program. I also have a complete accounting >package with it but never really tried to make it do anything... It was >interfaced to antique DIABLO keyboard / printer. Let me tell you, this SOB >is primitive! It's probably worth something. I'm just tired of tripping >over it. > >I could also bring a couple of ATT UNIX boxes (wonder where they came >from) with all the docs, an ATT 6300, and some other stuff. > >Why don't you send out an invitation to the "Central Florida Computer Junk >Fest". > >See ya, SteveRob

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VAX 8700 in Madison, WI

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>If I guess right this machine used to be named "speedy". (Or was >speedy an 8600?) Anyone know how many VAX MIPS this guy cranked? A VAX 8700 was rated at 6 VUPS. A VAX 8800 (dual processor variant) came in at 12 VUPs. (I just quote 'em, I don't write 'em!) A VAX 8600 came in at about 4 VUPs. The follow on VAX 8650 came in at 6 VUPs. These are all physically large machines. There is also a VAX 8650 available on ebay at the moment (in Memphis IIRC) Antonio

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PeeCee turns 20

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I know that the PC turns 20 this month, but does anyone know the actual date of introduction? It's tough going through August without a holiday, so I'm looking for something to celebrate :-) Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Now *this* is cool

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

http://surfin.spies.com/~dgc/pdp8x/ I just wish someone had a project like this that could be produced in quantity. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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[80sBBS] Another Sub-Site, Another Plea for Assistance (fwd)

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

Thought I'd pass along this request for a worthy cause. How is the UUCP revival project progressing, by the way? This might be a good way to get the word out about it. If that's desired right now. The full url is http://www.textfiles.com, which is a Wiretap type archive, except more specifically BBS oriented. Scott's email is jason(a)textfiles.com jbdigriz ********************************************************************** I've started work on the other vital site needed for the documentary: A complete and total list of every BBS software package ever made for any computer. I'm already aware this task is impossible; but the least I can do is take a good shot at it so I can look at different sets of packages for a computer and do the Right Things. The Right Things, in this case, are to try and contact the original authors of the software, and reach out to any underlying communities still using the software. I'd like it if people could start taking a look at the list and let me know about gaps, or point me to locations where there's more information about the software. No sense plugging up this mailing list with those; just mail them to me. "0A- Jason Scott TEXTFILES.COM

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Unix Quote (was: Re: building a PDP11 from the things you

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 9, Carlos Murillo wrote: > >DCL is a very complete command language. There's a lot that can be > >done directly that require external programs in Unix shells. ... > By the way, I think that requiring external programs in Unix isn't > necessarily a disadvantage, as long as such programs are standard in > every U'x. And many are, thanks to POSIX. You're not familiar with the overhead associated with fork()/vfork(), are you Carlos. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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^X (was: an odd question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 10, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > ^Q (Xon), ^R (Yon), ^S (Xoff), ^T (Yoff). > > Am I the only person here who instinctively uses ^S to halt screen output > and ^Q to restart it? Certainly not: I do it all the time :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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osborne display driver

by mcgazza7＠bigpond.com

i have recently aquired an osborne monitor. when win 95 boots up, the win95 logo with the clouds looks like it is in at least 16 bit colour mode, but after that, the screen resets back to 16 colour mode. i can't change the colour mode to more than 16 colours when using the standard display driver that comes with win 95, and i can't find an osborne display driver on the net. Does anyone know where i can find an osborne driver or what other drivers would be compatible with osborne.

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an odd question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 10, 8:32, Dan Wright wrote: > Kent Borg said: > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:34:24AM +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > ^ as a pipe still works in 'sh' (Bourne shell) but not in 'ksh' (Korn > > > shell). I don't know about 'bash'. > > > > Cool! ...but it doesn't work for me on a Red Hat 7.0 machine: > > That's 'cause linux systems (well, most; I know redhat does for sure) use > "bash" as "sh". > > However, it doesn't work on IRIX 6.5.10 either... though it DOES work on > solaris 8. huh... >From IRIX 6.5, 'sh' is actually 'ksh' so it's not Bourne shell either. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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^X (was: an odd question

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Eric Dittman wrote: > I rarely ever use anything other than ^S/^Q, except on a VTxxx terminal, > where I will in the odd instance use the "Hold Screen" key. I'll also > often use ^[ for ESC. ^[ doesn't work on Televideo terminals. Some bright soul writing the firmware seems to have decided that, since the terminal has a perfectly good ESCape key, no one would _ever_ want to use ^[. When you hit ^[ on a Televideo, you get ^] ([ and ] are on the same key; you should have had to hit SHIFT to get ^]). This was really annoying to me when I was moving between keyboards a lot and picked up the habit of hitting ^[ in vi because I couldn't depend on the location of the ESCape key (or even it's existence; I used a lot of VT220s and other DEC systems which used the LK201 keyboard). Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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an odd question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 9, 18:33, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > The ^ was used on early shells as an alternative to the | character (and > this works under Xenix on the Tandy-6000). I don't think it's supported > anymore (much like @ to erase a line is no longer used). ^ as a pipe still works in 'sh' (Bourne shell) but not in 'ksh' (Korn shell). I don't know about 'bash'. @ to erase a line is a different issue; that's a function of stty (the norm these days is ctrl-U), like DEL vs ctrl-C. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC 3000 trouble

by owad＠applefritter.com

This is likely off-topic - I have no idea how old the DEC 3000 is - but I'm hoping it will fall cool hardware exception. I think its either a model 600 or 700. At any rate, its very large and is a tower design. I have not yet used the system and am trying to get it to boot. I do not have a keyboard, mouse, or monitor for it, so I need to connect via terminal, but am having som trouble. For a terminal, I am using an Apple Powerbook G4 with ZTerm set to 9600, 8, n, 1. I'm using a Keyspan USB-Serial adapter and a null modem adapter. I've connected my "terminal" to the 25 pin printer serial port on the DEC 3000. I power up the DEC, it does its whirling and spinning up, but I never get anything at all on my terminal. I've tried booting with the S3 switch (whicdh I understand is supposed to change from kb/ mouse/monitor to console mode) in both directions, but to no avail. The LED on the front reads "FD". It's possible that the RAM I have installed (which I got from another DEC 3000) is not appropriate for the system. Any suggestions on what I need to do to get this to work are very much appreciated. This is completely out of my area of expertise and I hate to keep power cycling the DEC while I experiment. Thanks! Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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an odd question

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

would be this bunch... where did the convention of using "^x" to represent "Ctrl-x" come from? I wonder because you see that convention everywhere, but I don't know where it started but when I was in school, a while ago now, we had a teletype and a dial up to the local university to, I think, a PDP11. Anyway backspace was always echoed as ^h and break as ^c. I don't recall ever seeing any other control codes printed and some weren't. Control G would ring the bell, a real one - not a bleep, for instance. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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VAX 8700 in Madison, WI

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I saw an "offer to sell" on the wall at UW-Madison Surplus that's selling a VAX 8700. See: http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/archive/vax8700.html http://www.bussvc.wisc.edu/swap/ots023759.html It says "VAX 8700 Computer, Approx 9' 8" X 5' 1" X 2' 6" . Model H9652-EA, H9CAB-BA, 87XBA-XA Single. Manufacturer's Serial Number's, ASQ1064, CX70905010, NI70600771. This computer takes up an entire room, but is disassemblable. NOT ON WHEELS High bid gets it on August 15. See wisc.edu link above; I'm not selling it. - John

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PDP 11/84's - any interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > A local computer scrapper has invited me out to look at some stuff > > he's got before he strips it and ships it out this weekend. He > > described it as a "rack full of PDP/84's with tape backups". He > > thinks there are three systems in the rack, and he mentioned that it > > was used for some sort of telephone switching system. Does anybody > > have any interest in saving this stuff? > > > > Bill Richman > > bill_r(a)inetnebr.com > > http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r > > > > Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological > > oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf > > computer simulator! > > > > Hell... yes. Where's the stuff out? If it's local to the poster, Nebraska... -dq

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OC71 - crystal set

by gm0kma＠yahoo.co.uk

Hello folks .. apologies for the 'sporadic' inquiry - I pulled the text below ## off a search ... crystal set / OC71 amp ..... Have searched FAR WIDE and ENDLESSLY for this circuit (and the book containing it which I borrowed from a library, ca. 1968) and dutifully returned. If you have any pointers these would be most gratefully received !! I have located a *similar* circuit at http://home.t-online.de/home/gollum/dt.htm mine had one output transformer, 2 OC71s (well, lots were burned in the process) and was constructed on a terminal block .... ah ! the nostalgia ! I shall attempt to mail this message also into discussion group cheers Glenn, GM0KMA Scotland ########### Subject: radio kits From: Adrian Graham (agraham(a)ccat.co.uk) Date: 12/13/00-05:35:01 AM Z > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT) > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Fw: Professors worry that engineering students > don't tinker > > involved). You started out making a crystal set, then added a single > audio stage (OC71), then a second stage (another OC71), then added a > loudspeaker (using an LT700 output transformer). And finally > you replaced > the crystal detector with the OC45 regenerative stage. > > I think the book is still around, even if the transistors are hard to > find now. I remember the son of a technician at a place I was > working a > few years back was building one -- I managed to find him some OC71s. > > I thought just about all UK hobbyists built this at one time > or another... Nope - I had (and still have) my Radio Shack crystal radio kit to tinker with, followed by one of the Science Fair electronics kits where you had loads of spring terminals and small jumper wires to build circuits with......I found it the other day and it was dated 1973 :) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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