- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by vcf＠siconic.com

The lady below would like to receive offers on the systems listed. Please reply directly to her: Reply-to: Norma Shulman <shulman22(a)rcn.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:38:40 -0400 From: Norma Shulman <shulman22(a)rcn.com> Subject: More information needed I have 4 old systems: (1) Atari 800XL system including a disk drive, printer, games, and software. (2) Mac 512 with a Tecmar 5 MB external hard disk. (3) Mac 128K (upgraded with the 512K board from a machine we upgraded to a Plus) original machine (I have the sales receipt) with numeric keypad, external floppy drive, ImageWriter I, padded carrying case, much commercial software, and a complete public domain software library from the Boston Computer Society on 400K floppies. (4) dual-floppy Mac SE with a 40MB hitchhiker hard disk (connects directly to the SCSI port on the back - no cable), Jasmine 20 MB external drive, padded carrying case, ImageWriter II, Apple personal modem. Thank you, Norma Shulman shulman22(a)rcn.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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TOY-11

by taylor＠crystal.nrl.navy.mil

At 03:37 PM 8/18/01 -0400, you wrote: >I have one of the Codar boards... it is part of the 11/73 which >used to run the heating/cooling systems at the DEC mill complex. The TOY-11 has a copyright date of 1983 on the board and the ic's have date codes for 1986. Isn't old good! >If you can check the battery and replace it if needed, put it >in a qbus machine and see how many registers there are after 176600 >(open 176600 and then simply hit <LF> until it complains). I used the MAP function in my 11/23+ boot rom to find the registers, there are two used by the TOY-11. 176670 and 176672. >Keep track of the contents and see if they correlate to the >current date/time... keep in mind the registers may have the >info in BCD... > >In fact... I just found some datasheets for the chip on the web and >can see that the info is in BCD... and it is in successive registers >on the chip... the question is whether the qbus board implements >a direct one-for-one relation to the chip registers or if there is >a control register used as an index (write the register number to >read) and a buffer register which is read to read that chip register >and written to set that chip register. It appears that the TOY-11 implementation is very simple. Address 176670 is write only and sets up the address code on the clock chip. 176672 is read/write and I assume that means if you read you get the current counter setting and if you write you set the counter. At least that is what I have been able to do by writing codes to '670 and then reading '672. >Oh, another thing... it could be that the registers are in successive >*BYTES*, not words. It looks like the contents of 176672 contain a byte of data, 2 BCD digits. >Keep me informed... sounds interesting... I might be able to help >with a program which reads the info and sets the RT system date/time >on bootup... I'm going to look at the software for the Codar board, maybe that can be adapted to work with the TOY-11.

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CBM 8032 SK

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Hi Adrian, >> In order to stimulate conversation: Does anyone have a Commodore 8032 >> mainboard in known working condition that they'd be willing to part with? >> I don't have a mainboard but can probably fix yours for you. Where in the UK are you? I'm in Shropshire but travel a fair bit (if infrequently). >> I've recently acquired an 8032-SK, but the CPU is dead, two ROMs are >> missing, and even adding known working replacements is not enough to breath >> life back into this poor wee beastie. So it's got to be a heart/lung/brain >> transplant for it - for now, at least. > If you have a complete set of known good ROMs for this model it shouldn't be a problem to fix. Would it need to be fixed with NOS components or would you be willing to accept modern replacements for some parts? Cheers, Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Amiga 500 and stuff to good home

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Hi Jim -- > I have an Amiga 500 with monitor, extra floppy drive, 500K memory card > and 4 boxes of software. Also have a Panasonic dot matrix printer - all > vintage 1985 - and all works. I have several of the kernel manuals too. >See the attached photos. Note the original boxes. Where? What photos?!? >I'm about to toss everything into the trash unless there is someone >interested in collecting it, or even using for spare parts. I'll pack >up and split the shipping cost (from Fairfax, VA) with anyone in the US > who wants it. > Please let me know if anyone's interested by September 8th. I'll take it, and put it to good use. Please DO NOT REPLY TO THE ABOVE ADDRESS. Reply to acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net Thanks -- Glen 0/0

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The subject at hand is Classic Computers

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Hey Group -- I'm not entirely innocent when it comes to off topic posts, but I was flamed early and often and decided that the best course of action -- if I wanted to remain a list member -- was to keep 95% of my posts on-topic. 95% OFF-topic seems to be the ideal for some members of this list, which is to the detriment of the list in general. We're here to rag-chew old computers. More below: R.D. Davis wrote: > Hmmm... interesting how criticizing the Cheif Politicrat of the U.S. > triggered this. Surely a highy unlilely thing to happen, but I'll ask > anyway: did g. dubya bushbooger's SS troopers get to someone and > demand that we stop criticizing the pugnacious little prat? > Fortunately I don't have a soundcard in this system so I can't hear > "Hail to the Twit" being played... Dang, I thought algore was the one > who wanted censorship; apparently they're both controlled by the same > puppetmasters. Really, R.D., find yourself a newsgroup to sort this out in. You're sucking up (free!) bandwidth and taking up everyone's time with your OT posts. TANG. Sellam Ismail replied: > YOU ARE AN ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sellam, this may very well be true. I know I am frustrated with the way the list has been shanghied, but even asses have a right to post here AS LONG AS THEY STAY ON TOPIC! BTW I think your ideas -- 4 OT posts and kill the thread, etc. -- are very appropriate considering the gross number of OT posts during the last year. Just my 2 pesos worth -- Glen 0/0

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new find...

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > They're a sweet system, but for those of us that need a more expandable > > system the towers are still the only way to go. OTOH, the rumoured next > > generation iMac is supposed to have a LCD display. Now that sounds > > interesting! Hopefully they make it like the 20th (or was it 25th) > > Anniversary Mac. > > I hope you mean like the 20th Anniversary's case, not the system board > (which sucked serious eggs). Obviously like the case, the system board would be a seriuos step backwards :^) Zane

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Commodore Stuff For Sale

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>>One important note is that this is NOT a "first come, first served" sale. >>In order to have some fairness to the international and digest members of >>the list, if I get more people interested in an item than I have on hand, I >>will throw names into a hat and pick randomly. > >Have one of our distinguished assembly programmers write you a program to >randomly pick names. <grin> > Actually, isn't there some Apple II BASIC program running about that was recently used to pick some obscure contest winner?? :-) :-) Perhaps I could use that?? <heh heh heh ...>

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"hello world program"

by west＠tseinc.com

The "hello world" discussion got me thinking... how short could it be in Assembler... Here's an example in Pick assembler (aka reality/microdata, general automation zebra, adds mentor, Ultimate, etc.).... FRAME 504 SRA R14,MSG LOOP WRITE R14 INC R14 BCU R14,X'FF',LOOP HALT MSG EQU * TEXT C'HELLO WORLD',X'FF' It's been YEARS since I worked with this instruction set, but I believe that the above would turn into 11 words or 22 bytes total. In practice, HALT would be inconsiderate to other users, I seem to recall the gracefull termination back to the TCL-I processor was "ENT MD999" but that's not a primitive and takes more instructions ;) If memory serves, none of the above are macros, they are all actual instructions. Of course, if you're allowed to use system routines, then it can be done in significantly less instructions (in userland at least) with FRAME 504 BSL PRINT MSG EQU * TEXT C'HELLO WORLD',X'FF' HALT Of course, this example isn't indicative of the number of instructions executed because it calls system services to do it's job (like dos's INT 21H I believe it is). Jay West

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new find...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > I want a G4 cube, just can't justify the expense right now....maybe in a > > few months, probably be hard to find then. > > They're a sweet system, but for those of us that need a more expandable > system the towers are still the only way to go. OTOH, the rumoured next > generation iMac is supposed to have a LCD display. Now that sounds > interesting! Hopefully they make it like the 20th (or was it 25th) > Anniversary Mac. 20th. And hopefully it'll be more of a NEW design. The 20th anniversary Mac is mostly Powerbook 5300 hardware. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Room for Collections

by vance＠ikickass.org

Alrighty then. How I define "plenty" in this context is my warehouse space. It has an industrial service, at 416V three-phase. The industrial complex has it's own dedicated tap to a substation transformer. I am not sure how big my service is, but it's *B*I*G*. Of course, I pay an arm and a leg. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, James Rice wrote: > I have two receptacles (duplex) on each of the three walls that have > computers. Each is served by it's own dedicated 20a 120vac circuit. So > I could draw 120 amps at 127v (our transformer is tapped a little high) > in that room. If I needed 240v, I could drop a circuit. My room is > directly over the garage where the breaker panel is located. I was an > electrican for 23 years in my previous life. > > James

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MuMath/MuSimp (was: non HP RPN calculators (was: Re: SemiOT: Mourning for

by dittman＠dittman.net

The first advanced math package I remember using on a microcomputer was MuMath/MuSimp. Whatever happened to it? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net School Zones: Man's attempt to thwart natural selection.

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DECstation 3100 up for grabs in Los Angeles area (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Please reply to original sender. Reply-to: pavlin <pavlin(a)usc.edu> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:03:40 -0700 From: pavlin <pavlin(a)usc.edu> Cc: pavlin(a)aludra.usc.edu Subject: Looking to donate DECstation 3100 Hello, I have a working DECstation 3100. It has a color monitor (17" visual area I think), hard disk, keyboard, mouse, some cables and manuals (I can send you more detailed information if you need it). FYI, I live in Downtown Los Angeles, CA. However, I am not willing to ship the computer. Please let me know if you are interested in it, and if you have someone to pick-it-up >from my place. Thanks, Pavlin Radoslavov pavlin(a)usc.edu -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(

by vcf＠siconic.com

It is with great disappointment that I must announce that VCF 5.0 has been tentatively cancelled due to a lack of interest from participants. Exhibitor and vendor sign-ups have been extremely low, and the impression I get is that interest has waned this year. I made one last push this week to encourage exhibitor and vendor sign-ons to no avail. Granted, the planning for VCF 5.0 was much shorter due to VCF East, but I thought that as soon as I sent out announcements (on July 31st) that there would have been a flood of sign-ups. That didn't happen, leading me to believe that perhaps exhibitors and vendors from past years are too busy this year with the economy being the way it is to consider participating. There are numerous advantages to holding the event on the planned dates, but without any exhibitors or vendors, there wouldn't be much of an event to present. The admission price would have to drop to a level that would not justify the cost of holding the event. However, if the interest is there, but has just not been expressed properly, then I would very much like to find out. If you did plan on attending the VCF this year, either has an exhibitor, a vendor, or just an attendee, please let me know about it. Below are three links to visit to either signup as an exhibitor, a vendor, or to indicate that you will be attending. If the response to this is positive, VCF 5.0 will go on. If not, VCF 5.0 will be cancelled. Exhibitors: http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/exhibit.php Vendors: http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/vendor.php Attendees: http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/survey.php For general comments or feedback, please feel free to e-mail me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. I do hope that there is an overwhelming response to this announcement and that the VCF will go on as planned. However, it's up to you to do your part and let me know. Best regards, Sellam Ismail Producer Vintage Computer Festival Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Apple II+ Keyboard Encoder

by DanielF＠McLean.gov

My Apple II+ Keyboard Encoder card is faulty and I would like to know if it's fixable. I've tried several different keyboards and 2 motherboards so I'm certain it's the encoder. I've ran a keyboard diagnostic and it is acting as if the control key is always pushed but it is not. It does it with 3 different keyboards so it's not a "stuck key" problem. Any ideas or help much appreciated. Thank you.

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NOTICE FROM THE LIST HOST (re: recent political commentary)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, Adrian Vickers wrote: > It's still possible to buy new Z80 CPUs (?2.50 in the UK); They're all over teh place here as well. They won't be going away anytime soon; they're very popular in the embedded systems market. > how many would it take to build a pentium-IV class machine? :) My guess: Raw integer performance: 500+ Reliability: 0.5 Elegance of Quality of design: 0.1 Programming enjoyability: 0.5 Innovativeness: 0.5 -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 04:25 PM 8/21/01 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >I worked for a while with a Physics major who'd learned machine-language > >programming for the IBM PC using DEBUG.COM. He also had no conception of > >source file structure. [..snip..] > Ryo was already an established musician, and still is. See > http://www.google.com/search?q=ryo+kawasaki . However, he > also coded for the C-64 without an assembler. He just used > the debugger. There was no source code. We first figured > this out when we asked him how he did a certain effect, > and he started reciting the hex opcodes. He didn't really > know the mnemonics, he just memorized how to create the > hex to match the opcodes he wanted. it's a nice skill to have in *addition* to knowing how to use the assembler, construct an application, etc. for the system in question, we used SoftIce as the debugger. I'd set up bounds-checking breakpoints to catch the errors of programmer #2 (best friend of #1, the physics major), who simply *refused* to range-check any values... -dq

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new find...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, James Rice wrote: > My cube doesn't have a floppy. I've been considering looking for > another faceplate (for a floppy cube), removing the OD and just haveing > a floppy. I never use the floppy on my slab, I usually use the zip in > the external housing. > > I did notice Rob had the N4000a's. I'm considering getting on as a > spare. Rob doesn't like to ship the 21" monitors, but my wife said she > would go on a road trip to Boulder to pick one up. It's only about > 12-13 hours away from Dallas. I have a bunch of 17" and 21" NeXT color monitors here in the DC area as well, cheap, if anyone is interested. No, I won't ship them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:25 PM 8/21/01 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >I worked for a while with a Physics major who'd learned machine-language >programming for the IBM PC using DEBUG.COM. He also had no conception of >source file structure. In the early 80s I worked at Sight and Sound Music Software, which had titles for the C-64 like Kawasaki Music Synthesizer and Kawasaki Rhythm Rocker. Ryo was already an established musician, and still is. See http://www.google.com/search?q=ryo+kawasaki . However, he also coded for the C-64 without an assembler. He just used the debugger. There was no source code. We first figured this out when we asked him how he did a certain effect, and he started reciting the hex opcodes. He didn't really know the mnemonics, he just memorized how to create the hex to match the opcodes he wanted. - John

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Amiga 500 and stuff to good home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Please respond directly to the original sender. Reply-to: Jim Fraser <jcfraser(a)att.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:20:12 -0400 From: Jim Fraser <jcfraser(a)att.net> Subject: Amiga 500 and stuff Hi, I have an Amiga 500 with monitor, extra floppy drive, 500K memory card and 4 boxes of software. Also have a Panasonic dot matrix printer - all vintage 1985 - and all works. I have several of the kernel manuals too. See the attached photos. Note the original boxes. I'm about to toss everything into the trash unless there is someone interested in collecting it, or even using for spare parts. I'll pack up and split the shipping cost (from Fairfax, VA) with anyone in the US who wants it. Please let me know if anyone's interested by September 8th. Best regards, Jim Fraser jcfrase(a)att.net -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I confronted one of the profs there, and asked him why they didn't at > least teach their students about compilers. His response: "that's for > TECHNICIANS and OPERATORS. Computer scientists don't need to know that > petty stuff." I worked for a while with a Physics major who'd learned machine-language programming for the IBM PC using DEBUG.COM. He also had no conception of source file structure. After we hired him, he was assigned some programming tasks, and sent off to do his thing. A few days later, he asked me how to include his code into the system. I asked him for the file name, and just included his module in our batch files that did the system build. Kept getting errors on his module, so I asked him to assemble it and go through the listing and correct his errors (I hadn't even looked at it). "What's an assembler?" He was keeping multiple, un-related subprograms in a single monolithic source file, with none of the assembler directives that were needed to define the program's memory model and segment use. Also, no TITLE, etc stuff to make it pretty. I took the one subprogram whoes operation I could fathom, rewrote it to comply with the memory model, added some other directives, then shot it back to him and told him to either make each subprogram a separate module or figure out which *should* be together in the same module (based on data defs, etc). He wouldn't do it, and instead kept everything together. Then, he'd go through the extra work of extracting the subprograms, and placing them in separate source modules... but he'd do this extraction *every* time he made a set of changes to his huge monolithic source. I left there in 1990; on a visit back in 1995, I found he was no longer writing code, but was confined to performing installations. Thank God! -dq

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Room for Collections

by vance＠ikickass.org

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, William Donzelli wrote: > [collecting mainframes] > > > I do! > > What do you have, other than the S/390 G5? I have two P/390s, one P/390E, an S/390 G1, and an old non-working ES/9000 that I want to get working soon. > I try to get old IBM mainframe stuff when I can, but so far I have been > pretty unlucky getting any processors. What kind of stuff do you have? Peace... Sridhar > William Donzelli > aw288(a)osfn.org >

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Room for Collections

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On another list, there has been a long thread about SO's and room for > the hobby. Does anyone else keep their collection set up and > functioning? Does your SO understand? I'm luck in that I have a large > room to set mine up. I currently have up and running: The Prime 2455 is set up and occupying the largest space, but is still non-op. :( One of the three Apollo's (the DN2500) is on the card table that was substituting as the kitchen table... I haven't turned it on since spring, I suppose I should pack it up... The PDP-11/23 is still in the hands of the buddy who rescued it for me (yes, for me, he has enought of them)... The Tandy 2000 is in storage... the Mac IIci is set up and running. The SOL needs dusting and prayers for the tantalum caps... The Objective Design S-100 frame which sat on the SOL in a previous incarnation needs the big electrolytics reconditioned... The Zenith Z-150/151 (I added a newer CPU card) was operational until 1995, and I haven't turned it on since. I moved it from on top of the clothes dryer to a spot next to it. The monitor is still on top of the dryer, tho... However, no SWMBO to provide advise, consent, or alternatives... ;-) -dq

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Who reads their email the most Classically?

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I have my classiccmp mail inscribed on stone tablets by a PDP 11/04 driving a dremel tool and then I read it "offline". Am I the oldest? Note: I just lost my sanity I'm 1 week behind on reading the news digests. Mike

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NOTICE FROM THE LIST HOST (re: recent political commentary)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, Sellam Ismail wrote: > Look, R.D. You are the exact type of fellow I was thinking about the > other day when I talked about socially retarded people. You, as much as I > have been trying to keep myself from saying all this time, are incredibly, > indelibly, without a doubt and with a mandate from GOD himself, a SOCIALLY > RETARDED individual. You have NO fucking manners whatsoever, you take > EVERY opportunity to foist your pointless and tasteless opinions on > everyone else here, with little regard for OUR preferences, showing > absolute disrespect to everyone here. You are a SAD, SAD individual. I'm > sorry you didn't get that pony you always wanted, but we should NOT be > held prisoner by your horrid personality. You are an ASS. An ASSSSSSSSS! I can feel the love on this list. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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thoughts/opinions on computer collecting value

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Every once in a while, someone will email me after seeing my computer collection and want to know how much x computer is worth. I usually reply back with the anecdotal reply 'its worth whatever someone pays for it' or give its real value, usually in the $5-50 range depending on what it is. After I told someone that, he said he was going to hang onto this certain computer for a while (nothing rare), like it will appreciate in value worth more than gold. <sigh> I collect old outboard motors, and people are always surprised to hear that their 50-70 year old johnson outboard is only worth < $100. I've seen both computer and outboard collectors play down the monetary value of collecting these things more than the investment value and wanted to have an essay about it on my website for people to read, but what should it say? I'd like to have something written that would discourage speculative inflated prices for common machines so stupid people dont think an apple //c is worth $100 or similar. what do you say about collecting and value or lack of value thereof? remember, off topic posters will get the molten iron treatment! ACVM www.nothingtodo.org/classiccmp/museum.htm

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VCF East keyboard purchasers

by r.stek＠snet.net

I sold a number of Cherry keyboards and cases at the VCF East, but unfortunately did not bring the bottom portion of the cases. I have already sent out bottoms to two individuals (Curt and Bob), but thought there might be another person or two wondering why he had two case tops but no bottom. So if you are one of those lucky individuals, contact me privately at r.stek(a)snet.net. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Sunlight damage and electronics

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm curious about what people think about the following. I was supposed to be buying a Neo Geo Arcade cartridge from a dealer I trust. Unfortuantly just before we finalized the deal the cart quite working on him. The only thing he can think of is that he was gone for a week with the blinds open and the California sun shinning down on the cart. A Neo Geo MVS cart is typically two circuit boards in a large black plastic case (larger than a VHS tape). What I'm wondering is did the heat melt the solder, or could it have baked some components. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CF Computer Junk Fest Update

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Today I was informed by Joe Rigdon (who is still offline) that the Melbourne Ham Fest is happening the weekend of the 8th, so we've moved the Fest to the following Saturday (15th). Anyone else interested in attending? Don't miss the fun! Drop me a note. Later -- Glen 0/0

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CF Computer Junk Fest Update

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

DOH! My vacation ends on the 9th so, I may not be able to attend. SteveRob >From: Glenatacme(a)aol.com >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: CF Computer Junk Fest Update >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:15:43 EDT > >Today I was informed by Joe Rigdon (who is still offline) that the >Melbourne >Ham Fest is happening the weekend of the 8th, so we've moved the Fest to >the >following Saturday (15th). > >Anyone else interested in attending? Don't miss the fun! Drop me a note. > >Later -- > >Glen >0/0 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/20/2001 3:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: > The Pres. does have quite a bit of influence on the market, and the market is > the reason the economy is in the toilet at the moment. This particular > president seems to be tailoring his actions to the fact he's going to take > after > his old-man and serve only a single term. In the meantime, he's routing as > much > cash to Texas as he can. I'm surprised the media haven't picked up on this. > > Nobody should have been surprised that the high-tech market tanked once > saturation of the hardware market was reached, and once the market geniuses > who > pumped up the "DOT-COM" stocks finally figured out they'd been fooling > themselves. The Clinton administration was able to forestall the > correction yet > to come, however, and the market, in several sectors, is WAY overvalued. I > don't have much in stocks any more, having moved to greener pastures. I'd > not > be surprised to see a more general correction on the order of 75% downward > in > many market sectors, and unemployment figures into 20%+ for a decade or so. > If > you're into trading, I'd say look for issues that you can sell short. > > You're right in that the Pres can't FIX the economy overnight, but he can > surely > wreck it in a day or so. > > Dick > > perhaps we should start heating up some molten iron for him?

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Some of the List Made the Mag.

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Just picked up the Sept 4th issue of PC mag and several of the list members are listed in the articles on web sites to visit to study the history of computers. They call it a 'special collector's issue' because of the many articles covering the last 20 years and the next 20. I found a few nice bits of information and liked The Bad, the Ugly, and the Just Plain Dumb article by John C. Dvorah. Check it out.

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Date Reminder, Electronics Garage Sale

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Based on at least one response I've gotten so far, it appears that there may have been some confusion about the date of my upcoming sale. I've scheduled it for SEPTEMBER 15th (Saturday) from 10:00 to 17:00 PDT. Location: 12641 SE 277th Pl. Any Thomas Guide, GPS, or web-based mapper should be able to provide you with directions. I hope this clears up any confusion. Thanks again for putting up with the bulletins. -- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77. "Plut? Ahh, Gribble Snort!"

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VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 20, Chad Fernandez wrote: > George Bush doesn't have anything to do with the economy being down. > The Economy started downwards before he was even in office. He didn't > ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the > economy over night. But perhaps the economy can change the presidency. If someone else becomes rich enough, they can buy the presidency from Bush. I suppose he'd probably be happy if he were to sell it for more than he bought it for. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Looking for article in @Biz

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Does anyone know the web site for @Biz, I tried yahoo and google with no luck ? The Wizard sent out the email earlier talking about the article on collecting old computers.

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Acorn Atom Econet

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've had some private email from an enthusiastin Germany who has an Econet board for an Acorn Atom, but has no firmware ROM for it. Does anyone have a ROM or an image that could be burned? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Paging Eric Smith or Al Kossow

by west＠tseinc.com

Sorry to use the bandwidth folks.... I've been trying to contact either Al Kossow or Eric Smith for many months now, no responses to email. Anyone know if they are still around or maybe just have a different email address? Thanks! Jay West

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seeking junked VAXstation 4000-series

by red＠bears.org

Hi. I picked up a VAXstation 4000/90 for a song at a recyclers the other day, but it's missing some chassis parts. Does anybody have a junked VAXstation 4000 that still has its internal disk mounting hardware and SCSI cable intact? Those are the parts I need. Or perhaps even the little flap that goes over the diag LEDs in front. Will pay money. ok r.

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classiccmp-digest V1 #694

by mtapley＠swri.edu

R. D. Davis said: >Why not just start out with Modula-2? Of course, Forth, Perl, C, VAX >Macro, etc. could all be learned by beginners if they had good >instructors to teach them I'm still in the process of rewriting a bunch of horrible Perl code to run on my NeXT (and off-topic machines) to do a weekly batch text processing job. I would postulate that Perl, if allowed to be used without "use strict" and the -w switch, actually *could* forever ruin the mind of a potential programmer. (Much more so than BASIC ever could. Is that the number 9 or the character string "9"? Who knows? Who cares? Eek!) Even with those safeguards, the regular expressions could do some long-lasting damage. I dunno if this counts as a useful suggestion, but Mathematica's programming language can be used to write programs in any of the usual styles (procedural, functional, list-oriented, object-oriented). I don't know that I'd want to spring it on a beginner, though. I agree that a good instructor is key, no matter what "syntactical sugar" is chosen first. - Mark

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OT: 3 foot steel 19" rack...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Please pardon the non-member (for now!) off-topic post, but... I have a 19" equipment rack, it's about 2 1/2 - 3 feet tall, dark grey, all steel. There is one guy who might take it (doubt it), otherwise it's free to first person who can come to New Haven, CT to get it... As always, reply off -list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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ZNR Varistor markings

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

Hi all, (And Tony Duell :^) Have a friends Decstation 5000 power supply with a violently blown fuse. (8A/250V) He is a developer of VMS Freeware (in fact the WASD web server) and has asked me to help. Culprit is 2 x ZNR 14K241U devices, which I believe are Metal Film Varistors Surge Absorbers. The numbering system seems to be obsolete as current ZNR Surge Absorbers use a quite different system, or I've guessed wrong and they are something else entirely, but I don't think so. These two gadgets are wired in series with each other, then connected across the output of the mains rectifier. 240vac in, so they are across around 300+ vdc. I could just leave them out and the supply will run, but would much rather replace them to keep the protection they offer. Their appear to be no other faults and the history of the incident is consistent with a switch on surge after an extended holiday (3 weeks) following daily useage of the machine, so it's possible the reservoir caps may be just a little leaky or the varistor was just getting tired. Anyone make sense of the device id so I can figure out what rating to replace them with. Device looks rather like a round ceramic capacitor, but gloss black in colour, marked with white lettering A Logo consisting of a small square box in top left with a capital M inside and ZNR in caps next to it then under it is 14K241U (or the 1's could be ell or i, hard to say). underneath at bottom left is an reversed italic capital R with a reversed italic capital L joined to the back main bar of the R. To the right of this is a small letter s raised above the baseline with the number 20 after it. Any help appreciated. Cheers Geoff in Oz

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3 foot steel 19" rack...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I now have a taker for this... (Wow, that was quick!) And I signed up for the mailing list too :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Woyciesjes ! Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:10 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: OT: 3 foot steel 19" rack... ! ! ! Please pardon the non-member (for now!) off-topic post, but... ! ! I have a 19" equipment rack, it's about 2 1/2 - 3 feet ! tall, dark grey, all steel. There is one guy who might take ! it (doubt it), otherwise it's free to first person who can ! come to New Haven, CT to get it... ! As always, reply off -list... ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! --- C & IS Support Specialist ! --- Yale University Press ! --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! --- (203) 432-0953 ! --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Granted, if you want to become an engineer, or in the very least a > "professional", you have to evolve beyond trial and error. But as I said, > you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. I would never start > a student off in a rigorous, structured environment. What a perfect way > to turn them off. If it had ever been true that there existed a real programming labor shortage, I'd agree, we'd want to mainstream people into the field, not scare them away from it. However, from a strictly economic point of view, I don't beleive I benefit from the expansion of the programming labor pool. And I was of this mind when I was a student consultant in college, and yes indeed, I did everything I could to scare off or alienate anyone >from pursuing programming as a career. One such individual was a friend of my nephew, and once I caught him digging my program listings out of the recycle bin, I was convinced the field would be better off without him. Today, he doesn't code, he's a consultant... Reards, -dq

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PDP-11/23 question

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 19, Chuck McManis wrote: > Would I be correct in assuming that a MXV11 and a KDF11 would be the > minimum PDP-11/23 that will talk "ODT" ? I would say yes. A quad-width 11/23 board (KDF11-B) comes to mind with its onboard console SLU, but then you'e need a memory board, so...still two boards. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'm talking mainly about kids, but anyone who is ready to be a programmer > can be taught. But not everyone is a programmer. Those that get it are > programmers. Those that don't are users, and should remain that. ^^^^^ More like lusers.... ;-) -dq

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Who reads their email the most Classically?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Master of all that Sucks skrev: > > >Actually Iggy, your preferences are more irrelevant to me. Chuck's always > >been polite to me, and I respect that. Chuck *is* a righteous dude... > It amazes me how people who work with computers for a living have failed to > grasp the most basic concepts of netiquette. I'm with you, Iggy, as to a preferred quoting mode. But while I used to think of it as an netiquette issue, I now see it as a Ford vs. Chevy, Coke vs. Pepsi, Poached vs. Sunny-Side-Up... type of thing. Me, I drive Audis, drink iced tea, and eschew eggs except when disguised as cakes, Mayonaisse, etc. -dq

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tape drive question

by fmc＠reanimators.org

jarkko.teppo(a)er-grp.com wrote: > Hmm, first time I read about a 7976, care to tell more :-)? Back about 1981, HP was complacent about half-inch tape drives -- they had their 7970E design and it was a real workhorse. But it was at best a 9-track 1600 bpi drive, and customers' data storage and backup needs were getting a bit large for that -- the site I worked at back then was dealing with a 20-tape full backup, and at 13 minutes to write each tape that meant over four hours of downtime. (And this was in the days when one bad tape would make STORE give up, and we had plenty of Memorex MRX IV tapes.) So HP did a deal with Storage Technology Corporation (STC) to get an HP-IB-attached 6250 BPI tape drive to market quickly, and this device was sold as the HP 7976 starting in about 1983. We bought one back then. Every six weeks it would blow a transistor on its servo board, we would place a service call, and some lucky HP CE would come out, replace the servo board, and stand there for a couple hours with the drive open and a tape loop mounted, twiddling some adjustments in the drive while watching a scope on the floor. The first guy who did this was on the tall side and was out of the office the next day with back trouble. The second time around they sent the new guy who found he was the right height to do this standing upright. We saw him every time thereafter. Being an STC drive, it has vacuum columns. Part of the CE toolkit for the thing was a vacuum gauge which was referred to by one of the CEs as a "suck and blow meter", in a way which made it clear that from his point of view these were *the* two operational modes of the drive. The vacuum columns are lined with little glass beads that are glued to the sides of the columns. Alcohol is a solvent for this glue, so make sure you use Freon TF to clean the drive! There's a small board set in its own cage under the drive. This is the part that provides the HP-IB interface. Some numb-nuts spec'd the cage to be a little bit too small, so another tool in the CE toolkit is a hammer to force the boards into place. It was picky about tapes too (especially compared to the 7970Es). HP recommended their own tapes, which I think were re-badged Graham Epoch 480s. We wanted 3M Black Watch. Our purchasing department was of the opinion that tape was tape, which is how we got Memorex MRX IV tapes, and later they got us a box of BASF Endura tapes that really made us think the Memorex tapes were good. Anyway, we continued to have problems, and there was a finger-pointing exercise in which HP told us many of our tapes (by this point we had got the purchasing folks to get us Black Watch) had been scored. We pointed out that these tapes (being for system backups) were used exclusively on one drive, the 7976. HP countered by saying we must not be cleaning the drive properly. There was some acrimony which ended up with HP replacing our tapes and us buying a 7978 to replace the 7976. Believe it or not, this made everyone happy: things started working for us, and HP didn't need to make near as many service calls out to our site. So my take on the 7976 is that somebody should save one, that others may learn from its mistakes. -Frank McConnell

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tape drive question

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ojw(a)dircon.co.uk wrote: > Hi. Having recently been the happy recipient of an HP 7978 tape drive I have > set about the task of finding new blank tapes for it. Not too difficult > until faced with the embarrassing question of whether my tapes need to be > Wright Line seal or Easy Load (Auto Load ?). The 7978 doesn't do anything with the autoload seals so you will have to remove and replace them manually. Wright Line or similar seal is probably easier to handle manually and somewhat less brittle plastic too. The 7976 can handle autoload seals if present, but this doesn't really make up for the rest of the drive. -Frank McConnell

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FREE: two RX01 dual floppy drive units

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got two RX01s, free for pickup in Austin, TX. Email if interested. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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SPARCStations anyone?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Is anyone on the list interested in SPARCStation 1's ? --Chuck

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PDP-11/23 question

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Would I be correct in assuming that a MXV11 and a KDF11 would be the minimum PDP-11/23 that will talk "ODT" ? --Chuck

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