- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

Anyone interested in one of these? I've got one that I'd like to trade for something interesting. Ideally, I'm interested in a keyboard and mouse for a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine. The AS/400 is in southern NH and I'd rather not have to pack it up for shipping. Come by and pick it up if you want it. Also, as I don't have a twinax terminal controller or terminal, I have no way of testing this machine. The people who gave it to me say it worked the last time they used it but I have no way of verifying that.

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by vze2mnvr＠verizon.net

Hello Eric, > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? >From the sound of this, it might be like the power cords needed for our DEC Alpha AXP 3000 -500 and -800 They also needed a standard ISO computer power cord BUT with a notch or groove in it, that isn't in the standard ISO computer power cord, for the connection in the back of the machine. Luckily though, with the Alphas, underneath in front of the machine, where the power came from the back of the machine to where it actually plugs into the power supply, a non-notched cord could be plugged in. Then eventually we finally came up with one of the notched cords. But, before you ask, we can't spare our one and only. Jan

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Geek Button Sayings

by foxnhare＠jps.net

If you had the opportunity to write a classic computer related phrase (or whatever will work) on a 2.25" diameter button, what would you like to wear? Of course some of the classics are: //////////// BYTE ME! //////////// DANCE ALGORITHM 1.0 0A ASL ;SHIFT TO THE LEFT! 4A LSR ;SHIFT TO THE RIGHT! 48 PHA ;PUSH A! 68 PLA ;PULL A! EA NOP ;BYTE! EA NOP ;BYTE! EA NOP ;BYTE! //////////// 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 (this one is a bit harsh, I'd prefer to use a different phrase) ////////////// My other computer is an Apple I ////////////// My computer takes up half a room draws 500 watts, has 4k of RAM, and runs at only 500khz... Beat That! //////////////// reason: I have a bag of old buttons I am relabling (sticking new labels over the previous 1996 dated event designs) to give away at VCF 5.0, besides the Commodore related ones (of course) and those above, I am open to do other designs (I have already did a nice "I'd rather be playing Spacewar" in button form). Just let me know, I have about 60-100 buttons I'm doing. (color and photos are doable, fonts too if I have em.) -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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UW surplus?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:40 AM 9/5/01 -0500, Paul Thompson wrote: >I find myself in Madison WI for the next couple of days... >I recall someone mentioned the UW surplus shop as a good spot for classic >hardware...does anyone know its hours and location? Open to the public on Fridays and sometimes Saturday: http://www.bussvc.wisc.edu/swap/swap.html Unless you're there at 7:50 AM on Friday, you won't get the stuff that anone else might want. - John

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UW surplus?

by thompson＠mail.athenet.net

I find myself in Madison WI for the next couple of days... I recall someone mentioned the UW surplus shop as a good spot for classic hardware...does anyone know its hours and location? --

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8032-SK repairs again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 5, 1:44, Adrian Vickers wrote: > Anyway, another PET related question: I've got 4 of the things now, and all > of them suffer from wobbly screens to some extent; the oldest (PET 2001) is > the least affected somehow.... > Each PET has a huge electrolytic next to the transformer marked "23000mF". > Even given the can size, I assume they mean micro-F as opposed to milli-F; > but 23000uF seems to be impossible to get, should I replace with a 22000uF > or a 33000uF, both of which are readily available? Given that the tolerance on electrolytics is often -20% +50%, I'd say the 22000?F should be fine. It's a reservoir/smoothing capacitor, so 33000?F would also be good. > Also, do other non-electrolytic caps degrade - if so, would it be worth > replacing *all* the caps on old kit like this? The others won't fail the way electrolytics do. As to the electrolytics, many are probably OK and I'd not replace any apart than the ones I thought were faulty. I might replace a whole batch in an old switch-mode PSU if one was failing, because experience suggests that in tightly-packed units, with several caps clustered together, more than one starts to go at around the same time. Especially in SMPSUs that get hot. > And finally: I bought a "Tip tinner/cleaner" block, and now my soldering > iron works a treat! One of those little round BIB cleaners? Great! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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FS: (not by me) brand new Olicom 10/100 MCA NICs

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

A person I know, from which I've gotten 2 of these and others on the have gotten up to 2 dozen each, has 2 left. You have to contact him ASAP and he can tell you pricing and postage. His name is Chris Grenier and his email address is: wiseash2000(a)yahoo.com Contact him DIRECT as he does NOT do newsgroups or mailing lists

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OpenVMS powered search engine!

by fernande＠internet1.net

Have any of you seen Northernlight.com? It's Alpha/OpenVMS powered :-) http://www.northernlight.com/ Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Yet Another Board Cleaning Thread

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> >First, let's talk about fluids. It's been a while since I took a >chemistry class. Questions: > >* Is there no difference between 'isopropanol', 'isopropyl alcohol', and > 'propan-2-ol'? I supect local naming conventions for Isopropanol Alcohol. >* Are there any better fluids (methanol?) for certain situations? Methanol is to be avoided, very flamable. >* Can I find these at a hardware store? Yes. >* Is there anything I should look out for when using those fluids? That > is, is there anything (glue?) they can damage? Yes!!! Glues vary is solvency and solvents used so any one can be problmatic. MOST ALL are FLAMABLE. Many of the older (gray silicon plastic packages) are more liable to damage by agressive solvents. Water is the safest, generally. >My most important question deals with core stacks. Most of the board ....... >(0) Leave the two board assembleds; disassembly would likely cause > breakage. Should not if done with care. >(1) Blow canned air over the assembly and through the inter-board space. NO! the pressure could beak those fragile wires. >(2) Dip and swish the assembly in isopropyl alcohol. Likely ok, with great care to avoid putting mechanical forces on the core wires. >(3) Blow air over the boards with an unheated hair dryer or more canned > air. NO.. NO, NOOOOOOOO! canned air can be high pressure and Blowdryer is a risk for FIRE. Isopropanol is flammable and both the motor(brushes) and the heater are risk for sparks. Cleaning core is difficult due to the great fragility and the problem that the solder points for the wires can be weaker than the wire due to corrosion {possible environmental} and the stripping methods that may have been used to remove the insulating coating. More often than not the actual core mat is a cleaner location with plastic covers and the like. The latter suggests disassembly of the core stack to observe the condition and cleanliness as compared to the external boards (drivers and sense amps). Use care. Allison

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HP & Compaq

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 02:44 PM 9/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Carlos Murillo wrote: > >> HP needed better production technology than what they had in >> order for their new chip design to stick. The choices were DEC, >> Intel and IBM. Guess what happened. > >IBM is doing the multi-layer ceramic interconnect packaging for the >Itanium. IBM was a latecomer in the alliance. At the time this was agreed, DEC's Alpha outclocked all other mass-production cpus, but Intel was outspending everyone in production technology research. IA64 is the result of a chain of decisions that started a long time ago. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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ZX81 kit (was Re: Keep or assemble???)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Cini, Richard <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> > I'm wondering, without creating flame bait, the pros and cons of > keeping a computer kit versus assembling it? > > I have an unbuilt Sinclair ZX81 kit that I'm toying with assembling. Build the ZX81 kit! I've done three of them and they're easy and fun (if your soldering skills are good). If you're planning on using the ZX81, remember: you don't *have* to build it into its case (with its "unique" keyboard) and you can also leave the RF modulator out and make an easy modification to provide high-quality video to a modern TV with composite video in. It's also easy to increase the onboard RAM from 1KB to 32KB. You wind up with a pretty fair Z80 system with a decent BASIC, crisp video, access to the Z80 via the expansion port, and adequate memory. Let us know what you do! Glen 0/0

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >The last time I remember DEC inventing anything fairly current was when they >came up with the VAX. That was 25 years ago. Everything they sold was the >OLDEST technology they could get and still foist of on the unwary buyer. They'd >NEVER have used anything as up-to-date as what Intel pushes, not that it's the >latest-greatest. By time it's available for hobbiests maybe. Most of the stable products were ahead of the pack, they had to be the pack was hungry and chasing! Lessee, Alpha, remember the 64 bit cpu that was what 10 years ahead of Itainium and the slow parts were maybe 2 times the speed of the fastest intel part running intel emulation. DLT quantums flagship tape backup... formally a DEC patent and was the TK50 back in the mid 80s when the competition was DC600 and 9080 carts. The RZ series of 3.5" drives were connor electonics but the HDA were DEC technology and design. Those SCSI drives were right on the front edge of SCSI standards that were still emerging. Oh and they were fast as well for their time. Beware the comment that sounds like allways and never, rarely are things really that way. DEC was one of the leaders, while they were selling PDP-8s in the form of DECmates and PDP-11s to people that didnt want or need VAXen. Even those "old" systems were sometimes more modern than the PCs of the moment. If anything else they were more likely to be to be found in use or at least working in the early 21st century. Allison

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

After swallowing DEC, I'm glad to see COMPAQ get swallowed. But my opinion of Hewlett-Backward isn't what it used to be, and I don't think we'll be buying anymore DeskJam printers or DesignJam plotters, as they are no longer honoring the terms of the service contracts they sold us. Any escalating replies should be mailed to me privately... Regards, -dq > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:35 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: HP & Compaq > > > So what's everyone think about the newest merger, between HP > and Compaq? > > Jeff > -- > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > http://www.cchaven.com > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 >

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> Which technology was that??? > > The last time I remember DEC inventing anything fairly current was when they > came up with the VAX. That was 25 years ago. Everything they sold was the > OLDEST technology they could get and still foist of on the unwary buyer. They'd > NEVER have used anything as up-to-date as what Intel pushes, not that it's the > latest-greatest. The Alpha is still superior to the IA64. What other operating system has the same clustering capabilities as OpenVMS (or better)? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Richard Erlacher wrote: > The last time I remember DEC inventing anything fairly current was when they > came up with the VAX. That was 25 years ago. Everything they sold was the > OLDEST technology they could get and still foist of on the unwary buyer. They'd > NEVER have used anything as up-to-date as what Intel pushes, not that it's the > latest-greatest. Troll alert. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> It's IEC 320, which is in several parts; you probably want Sheets C13, C14, > C19 and C20. >...(much useful information deleted)... Thanks, Pete. With this information I can get the proper cable. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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terminal inventiveness (was Re: an odd question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Fairly early examples are: > > 2/70 TEC inc. model 410/415, 420/425, 430/435 > > 4/70 Applied Digital Data Systems (ADDS) Consul 920 My old friend Ray Borrill's first company... > 5/70 Univac Uniscope 100 > > 10/70 Hazeltine 2000 Ah, one of my favorites, used magnetic core for the memory; however, it would usually lose a byte or two on either powering down or back on again... -dq

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Nixdorf PC 05 / 8150.00

by pricomu＠compuserve.de

Is there anyone out there - who has a manual for that maschine or - who knows how to connect this maschine to an IBM- compatible XT or AT with the cable which was supplied with the PC 05 as there is no possibility to run other programs than those on the integrated modules (my provide HHC_BASIC vsn 1.3; CALCULATOR and CLOCK) or - who has any other information concerning the maschine? Tom

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 4, 17:17, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > > > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > > > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > > > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > > > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? > > > Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote: > > Here is a copy of a message I sent on 7/22/2001 about this: > > > > They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined > > by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current > > version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX > > chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think > > but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement > > but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're > > found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI > > Challenge-L systems for example. > > Dave, do you happen to have the IEC spec number? It's IEC 320, which is in several parts; you probably want Sheets C13, C14, C19 and C20. I should point out that the current ratings used in the United States are different for those used in Europe. Also that the current rating depends on the type of cable, not just the connector. Many of the power cords built to the spec are rated at 5A or 6A (6A was the original spec for the common IEC 320 *connector* but it was uprated a few years ago) because the *cable* in them is only rated for that much. The ordinary connectors are rated for use at temperatures up to 65 Celcius, and are sometimes called "cold condition" connectors. The version with the notch (keyway) is called a "hot condition" connector, and in Europe it's still only rated for 10A. However, hot condition connectors are made of materials able to stand a higher temperature and are used for things like electric kettles. They're rated for operation at up to 120 Celcius. In the States the connector is rated for 16A (again, assuming the cable itself is rated that high). The original intent was not to provide a higher current rating but a higher operating temperature. It just so happens that things that get hot (kettles) tend to use a lot of current to do so :-) The third version has the three pins all parallel in the same horizontal plane (ie, 90 degrees around from the others), and is slightly larger. It's rated at 16A in Europe (and for 20A in the States, I believe) but only up to 65 Celcius. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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CoCo Xpndr1 (was: RE: Keep or assemble???

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > It sounds like you would get more enjoyment out of building & using >it, rather that letting it sit and collect dust. If you're toying with >building it, I would say go for it, but keep all the packing and paperwork, >too. That helps increase the 'value'. > >I think it all depends on whether you plan on selling it, or keeping it. I >would definitely build & use it. [snippage, fore and aft...] I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the "reproducability" would be decreased once the kit is built... i.e. you can't [easily] scan the boards, or re-design them in AutoCad, etc... With this in mind, I was digging thru an old box of CoCo stuff I have and I came across (2) Xpndr1 expansion cards, 1 of which is virgin. A quick search of Google shows nothing about them... I've started re-designing the card in AutoCad (as if I didn't have *enough* projects ;-) with improvements. Some are minor, like putting the signal names on the top of the card instead of the bottom (so it's easier to see the signal names when I attach a small breadboard to the top of the card...) some are major (or going to be) like the extra room for standoffs so it'll be self-supporting, and also connector ports for both a "PC hard drive power port" and a "PC floppy drive power port" so you can power the thing from any PC power supply *or* an FD-50x power supply. I also plan on having one that buffers all of the data, address & major signal lines on the board, so that experimenting might be easier without blowing the entire CoCo bus. Which leads to my questions: A) Anybody know anything about the company that marketed these, as I don't want to intentionally break any copyright laws; but with no info on the internet & the extreme possibility of the company no longer existing, does anyone think I'll be in trouble with the law WRT copyright laws? I'm mainly just using the original as a pattern for (1) the signal names & pinouts, and (2) the dimensions of the connectors & pins (I didn't have anything else that had the ground pegs on either side of the connector). B) I can prolly find this out for myself, but there are many others here better than me on the hardware side of things: What would be some of the better [a.k.a more useful] buffer chips I could use to buffer the address & data busses? C) Are there any *real* problems with powering the card from a separate power supply? I'm assuming I need to tie the grounds together, but I wouldn't want the +5 / +12 / -12 volt rails tied at all -- they should be separate, right? [[no, I really don't feel like dissecting my MPI just yet... altho I think it's the *only* piece of computer equipment I've never taken apart! ]] Should I check the voltage levels of the power supply & the CoCo to see how close they are, or as long as they're both within TTL levels is it OK? I'm mainly worried about the PC supply being of a higher voltage than the CoCo, if that'll cause problems. =-=-=-=- The designs (when they get closer to completion) I will have on my website for free, but if I make several cards and someone else is dumb^H^H^H^H bold enough to purchase one I would sell them for a small profit... Anywho, thanks for listening, and double-thanks for any advice that others might be willing to offer... ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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HP & Compaq

by arthur.clark3＠verizon.net

I'll second that. There was a time when I thought HP was a great company making great products. Although they still make some excellent high-end computers, their home and office desktops and laptops are horrible. I have never dealt with a single HP computer that worked right. Their outstanding lead in the printer business is a thing of the past. There are now many companies making printers just as good, for a hell of a lot less money. Occasionally I see Circuit City or another retailer running a contest in which the prize is a HP computer. My remark is always "Second prize is _two_ HP computers." OTOH, all of the Compaq computers that I have dealt with have been trouble free. I think their maintenance HDD partition and peripheral BIOS/peripheral management is great. About the only thing that I don't like is their extremely proprietary design. That's fine on enterprise servers. It's inexcusable on a business desktop that someone actually has to support in a small business environment. Arthur Clark At 11:45 AM 9/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >After swallowing DEC, I'm glad to see COMPAQ get swallowed. > >But my opinion of Hewlett-Backward isn't what it used to be, >and I don't think we'll be buying anymore DeskJam printers >or DesignJam plotters, as they are no longer honoring the >terms of the service contracts they sold us. > >Any escalating replies should be mailed to me privately... > >Regards, >-dq > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:35 AM > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: HP & Compaq > > > > > > So what's everyone think about the newest merger, between HP > > and Compaq? > > > > Jeff > > -- > > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > > http://www.cchaven.com > > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 > >

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HP buying Compaq

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: McManis, Charles <Charles.McManis(a)netapp.com> >Of course Microsoft loses big because their two biggest licensees for Wince are consolidating into one licensee. Sometimes the dragon wins... It's nice to see the black knight's lance being used for a toothpick. ;) Allison

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HP & Compaq

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >The only HP things from which I've ever extracted useful work are my plotters >and printers. The HP CAE system we had when I was in the aerospace industry was Their printers are ok but, I have to go to Agilent for the test gear they were known for. >HP had scavenged from all over the country. I've never seen a DEC/Compaq thing >I liked. I must have observed these companies at the wrong stages in their >respective evolutions. Yep!. Allison

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Zenith

by awc＠dryden.lakeheadu.ca

Hi All, I have a Zenith H-89 based computer control system which needs few ICs. Any body know place to buy these? D765AC C8208 - CPU? C8087-1 WD2123-PL - I guess western digital disk controller. Thanks for any info. anil

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > You might well be mad as well, I can't comment (although I do believe > that many people on classiccmp are at least mildly eccentric :-)) I agree. The diversity of the posters to this list is its best quality, IMHO ;>) > I can't really recomend damaging old hardware... I have qualms about this as well. > Really mad idea.... Take a classic computer, add a 31.25kbpx current loop > serial interface, link it up to all sorts of old hardware (printers, disk > drives, tape drives, etc), and have a device that takes Midi commands and > gets that old hardware to make interesting sounds... Brilliant idea, Tony. I have a classic ISA MIDI board, drivers and software. Together they can control 64 MIDI channels. I wonder if I could control some devices directly with MIDI data? Thanks again for the great suggestions and help. Glen 0/0

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Eric Dittman wrote: > > They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined > > by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current > > version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX > > chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think > > but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement > > but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're > > found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI > > Challenge-L systems for example. > > Dave, do you happen to have the IEC spec number? Nope.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> My SYS$WELCOME doesn't mention any of them. However, I got a kick out of > how the banner on the GUI Login still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|" under V7.2-1H1, > though with 'xdm' from TCPIP 5.1 on other systems you never see it, it's > freaky how it looks like a plain UNIX xdm. With V7.3 it now says "Compaq". -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? > > Here is a copy of a message I sent on 7/22/2001 about this: > > They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined > by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current > version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX > chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think > but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement > but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're > found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI > Challenge-L systems for example. Dave, do you happen to have the IEC spec number? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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HP buying Compaq

by Charles.McManis＠netapp.com

Well I for one found it amusing that HP was trying to get away from the "PC" moniker calling them "access devices for the Internet" (which can also be palmtops etc). You know a really bright chap in corporate would say: "Well we make lots of different kinds of equipment, and we gave all the analog stuff away to the Agilent so we just have the digital stuff. I know, we'll call the combined company the digital equipment company, gee that has a nice ring to it." Of course Microsoft loses big because their two biggest licensees for Wince are consolidating into one licensee. --Chuck

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> So if the power cable has the HP logo then you are way ahead of the > rest of us... I think it's unmarked. > Of course, all my stuff still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|", except for > the distribution CDROMs. My SYS$WELCOME says: > > Compaq may have bought Digital, but I'll > always call it DEC. > > I'll have to update that now. > -- > Eric Dittman My SYS$WELCOME doesn't mention any of them. However, I got a kick out of how the banner on the GUI Login still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|" under V7.2-1H1, though with 'xdm' from TCPIP 5.1 on other systems you never see it, it's freaky how it looks like a plain UNIX xdm. As for saying Compaq, my 7.2 books, and my latest CD's are all that say it. I'm just wondering what this will do to the price of used DS10's! Zane

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Eric Dittman wrote: > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? Here is a copy of a message I sent on 7/22/2001 about this: They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI Challenge-L systems for example. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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old NVRAMs - Sun MAC addresses...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

der Mouse --- I'm passing this message onto the ClassicCmp.org mailing list also, since there has been some mention of SS1 MAC addresses here too. Maybe we (the ClassicCmp list) can provide you with more data, hopefully enough to crack the code finally! BTW, I also have a SparcStation 1 mainboard too, I'll just have to stick that in one of the cases to power it up. Hopefully it still has it's MAC address! der Mouse's original NetBSD/Sparc post about this is at the end... Don't forget to include him in the replies... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: der Mouse [mailto:mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA] ! ! > I'll be inspecting mine tomorrow, to add info to your sample base... ! > Anithing else I should look for and report, besides the barcode ! > numbers and descriptions? ! ! The four pieces of info I'm interested in are ! ! 1) four-character code ! 2) barcode ! 3) MAC address ! 4) hostid ! ! Each subset of more than one of those is of interest; the ! more complete ! a subset, the more interesting. Obviously, I'm particularly ! interested ! in filling in the gaps in the barcode table and in anything that can ! shed light on the contents-versus-label mapping, but anything is ! useful; even just a 4-char-code <-> barcode sample can serve as ! confirmation of what I've got. ! -----Original Message----- ! From: der Mouse [mailto:mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA] ! I've got eight old 48T02 NVRAM chips whose batteries ahve run down. I'd like to reconstruct the MAC address and hostid values corresponding to them; all but one of them still has its barcode sticker (and I don't expect to get anything useful for the one that's lost its sticker :-). Mark Henderson's NVRAM FAQ says that Sun can reconstruct this given the barcode (or, possibly, the four-character code also prinetd on the sticker), but does not say how. Is that algorithm known, or partially known? If not, I'll volunteer to collect data points to try to work it out, if people with still-good NVRAMs will send their barcode and/or four-character codes to me with the Ethernet address and hostid that correspond. (I've got only three live samples in my own collection, not really enough to tell much from.) I'll also be looking at mine to see if there is an obvious correspondence between barcodes and four-character codes. The newer sort, the 48T08 sort, don't need this, since the last three octets of the MAC address are identical to the low three bytes of the hostid, and are printed under the barcode. It's just the old sort I'm interested in here. Any information appreciated.

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Bowing out (temporarily)

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

Just a quickie to say I'm bowing out for a while, I'm being laid off this week (telecoms bubble finally burst here too)... heh heh, plenty of free time to get the PERQ monitor fixed at last. I suppose I ought to attempt to find another job too, every silver lining has it's cloud ;-) Nice to have "met" you all, hopefully I'll be back soon! Cheers Al.

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HP 85 schematic?

by CHoaglin＠aol.com

Hi folks, I have an HP 85, that I believe needs a replacement CPU chip. There was a power supply fault caused by a misaligned flexible cable, which I managed to repair. But, now the machine won't boot, and the CPU chip gets very hot with 2 or 3 seconds of turning it on. I think there may be an internal short, but I really need the schematic to know which leads to take resistance measurements at to verify this. Does anybody have a copy? Also, are there any people still carrying parts for this machine? I'd prefer to buy a replacement CPU if possible rather than cannibalizing another machine. -Chris

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > >the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > >American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > >plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > >the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? > > Mine came off of a modern HP-UX Workstation..... In light of the news the > last couple days, that's rather ironic. So if the power cable has the HP logo then you are way ahead of the rest of us... Of course, all my stuff still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|", except for the distribution CDROMs. My SYS$WELCOME says: Compaq may have bought Digital, but I'll always call it DEC. I'll have to update that now. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Hopefully HP won't say, "Digital? whats that? Oh, that must be legacy > stuff.... we don't handle that anymore" I hope they make alot of stuff > availble online, plus keep VMS going. HP knows quite well that "all the world's not a PeeCee", and they understand...unlike many people...that PeeCees aren't the best tool for every job. Last I heard, they were *still* making and selling HP3000 systems. This gives me some hope. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what happens. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Keep or assemble???

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

You're referring to the thought of 'mint condition' type collectible value, aren't you? Like an original Star Wars action figure being worth more when it's in the original retail packaging? If so, that would depend on the condition of the packaging. How much of it you have, how un-damaged it is, etc. Keep in mind though, value is in the eye of the beholder. It sounds like you would get more enjoyment out of building & using it, rather that letting it sit and collect dust. If you're toying with building it, I would say go for it, but keep all the packing and paperwork, too. That helps increase the 'value'. I think it all depends on whether you plan on selling it, or keeping it. I would definitely build & use it. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:20 PM ! To: 'ClassCompList' ! Subject: Keep or assemble??? ! ! ! Hello, all: ! ! I'm wondering, without creating flame bait, the pros and cons of ! keeping a computer kit versus assembling it? ! ! I have an unbuilt Sinclair ZX81 kit that I'm toying ! with assembling. ! I also have a TV Typewriter-6 kit. I bought the TVT6 for my ! KIM-1 and the ! ZX81 I got in a trade. ! ! Thoughts? ! ! Rich ! ! ========================== ! Richard A. Cini, Jr. ! Congress Financial Corporation ! 1133 Avenue of the Americas ! 30th Floor ! New York, NY 10036 ! (212) 545-4402 ! (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) !

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Keep or assemble???

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Without question, I would keep it as an unbuilt kit. For one, it is much more of a rarity that way. Second, the unassembled parts can more easily be copied for new "reproduction" kits. I believe that someone is now selling IMSAI reproduction kits. Just my opinion, Rob BTW: I retrieved much of my Altair stuff from my parents attic yesterday. I did not see the VDM-1 manual, but I will look again. -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [SMTP:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:20 PM To: 'ClassCompList' Subject: Keep or assemble??? Hello, all: I'm wondering, without creating flame bait, the pros and cons of keeping a computer kit versus assembling it? I have an unbuilt Sinclair ZX81 kit that I'm toying with assembling. I also have a TV Typewriter-6 kit. I bought the TVT6 for my KIM-1 and the ZX81 I got in a trade. Thoughts? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Retired Arete / Arix Manuals

by MMuller＠chrm.com

Looking to purchase retired software and / or installation guides or manuals for both the Unix based software and hardware made by Arete [Arix] in the mid-80's. Please contact Malinda Muller @ 213.689.6418 with information or offers. Los Angeles Librarian Crosby Heafey Roach & May 700 S. Flower St. Ste. 2200 Los Angeles, Ca. 90017 213.689.6418 fax: 213.896.8080

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Geek Button Sayings

by foxnhare＠jps.net

Ok, I took some of your suggestions, added some of my ideas, etc. and instead of working on my exhibit (I have pleeennnttyyy of time!) I designed & printed buttons today. Here is a pic of 20 of the 25 or so designs: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/badges.jpg (I left the jpeg maxed at 312k, just so you can read the small print.) Many of those I have 3 or more, and a few I did one shot ones. These are all saved and they also make great stickers. (=)) comments? I have 10 still to re-do if you have any last requests. Larry -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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HeathKit H-89 boot disks ? (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Hopefully, there is one amongst you that can give this chap a leg up on getting his H-89 going with a boot disk. Regrettably, I am unable to help him. Please contact him directly. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 03:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Sledz <nsledz(a)yahoo.com> To: donm(a)crash.cts.com Cc: nsledz(a)yahoo.com Subject: HeathKit H-89 boot disks ? Dear Mr. Maslin, I am don't know if you deal with the Dina-SIG archive anymore, but perhaps you could forward it to someone who does.... I am attempting to locate a copy of the cp/m boot disks for a HeathKit H-89 (circa 1981) which I recently acquired. It uses hard sector 5 1/4 floppies which is a real pain. I remember seeing a newsgroup post that said you folks had some H-89 stuff in your archive. I may need to write a program to do a serial transfer files onto the H-89 machine. Do you have any programming languages available as well? If you have this available, please let me know the cost, and I'll send a donation. -Thanks for your help! Nick **************************** Nicholas Sledziona 304 Winston Drive Ithaca, NY 14850 Phone: 607-266-0374 email: nsledz(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com

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I've got the PA-RISC Blues . . .

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 09/01/2001 12:27:42, you wrote: > >I recently aquired an HP-9000/735-120, minus the RAM >and (I've just realized) the CPU! Grrrrrr. > >Anyone know of a reasonably-priced source for these >items? > Try Mike Nicewongers site twmaster.com

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This reminds me of Stomp and The Blue Man Group (http://www.blueman.com/)... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] ! Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:23 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: symphony for dot matrix printers ! ! ! On 1 Sep, Glen Goodwin wrote: ! ! > Some useable sounds might be: ! > ! > (printers, of course) ! Don't forget pen plotters hamering the pen down on to the ! paper, sirring ! steppers, ... ! ! > hard drive spinup & chatter ! load and unload of removable media (MOD, ...) ! ! > crt charge & discharge ! > floppy drive stepper motors ! > ps fans ! > cpu cooling fans ! and the pumps of the water cooling... ! ! > tape drives ! Uhhh. I have to record the sound of my 9 track pneumatic autoloader ! (cipher F880): ! klick, KLACK, (tape gets locked...) ! bss, bssss, (and rewound) ! fffffFFFFFFF.... (fan spins up), ! bss-shldl-shldl-shldl-shldl, (tape gets roled off and blown throgh the ! drive mechanics) ! klick-klack, klick-klack, klick-klack (tape gets caught at the other ! spindle) ! bsss, BSSS, BSSSSSSSSBSSSBSSS, (tape gets positioned at BOT) ! ! > ASR 33s ! > PAC readers ! > card readers ! modems and acoustic couplers ! beepers (in terminals) ! typing on a keyboard (with micro switchs) ! power and other switches ! start up sounds (Apple, SGI) ! opening and closing enclosures ! roling enclosures (with wheels) around ! -- ! ! ! ! tschuess, ! Jochen ! ! Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz !

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8" Floppies

by vance＠ikickass.org

For those who asked, I need DSDD 8" Soft-Sectored Disks. Peace... Sridhar

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DEC Design

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 1, Bill Pechter wrote: > Actually, DEC's tape drives were abysmal in design (not counting the > DECtapes which were really reel-to-reel disk drives. Yes, DECtapes are very cool. DLTs are pretty nice too; they FINALLY fixed the TK50 after a few iterations! ;) > The RL0x's were pretty slick and the RK05/6/7's were ok. RM80's needed > the RA81's 400+meg hda to be competitive... The RA81's would've been > nice if the breather glue problem didn't occur. RLs and RKs (especially RK06/7) are wonderful drives. I've used a lot of both and I love 'em. Anybody know if DEC ever made a Qbus RK06/7 controller? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HP 800/F20

by workstations＠poczta.onet.pl

Hello, I have an HP 9000/800 F20 machine that I don't have a video card for, so I cannot just plug a monitor to it. I also don't have a keyboard. The machine powers on and has HP-UX on it. I bought a cable that is supposed to connect my PC to the serial console connector on the F20. When I connect I can see HP-UX booting, but nothing I type seems to be getting through to the F20. I wonder if it is due to some password protection, or is it due to wrong terminal settings? I'd be grateful for any hints. Jacek Artymiak -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ]

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2114 RAM chips

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 3, 20:11, Tom Uban wrote: > Jameco electronics still sells them. > > At 01:12 AM 9/4/01 +0100, Adrian wrote: > >Does anyone have any spare 2114 (or alternative pin compatible 1KBx4) SRAM > >chips hanging about doing nothing useful? > > > >I have a PET 2001 with one blown chip, and neither Farnell nor RS do them > >any more :( Ade, I have a few. Email me your address off-list, and I'll post you one. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP to buy Compaq!?!?!?!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Well, according to the New York Times (as seen on /.) it looks like HP is buying Compaq for 25 Billion dollars!?!? It looks like I've gone from being a DEC collector, to a Compaq collector, to a HP collector. Huh! Zane (who is wondering what this means for OpenVMS) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Looking for VAX Computer systems

by XWingFhtr＠aol.com

I am looking for a VAX computer system, such as the DEC VAX 11/780. I am also looking for its hardware, Monitors, Keyboards, Printers, Disk Drives, Hard drives, Tape drives, etc. Please E-mail me at XwingFhtr(a)aol.com. Thank you.

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DEC Design

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > Actually, DEC's tape drives were abysmal in design (not counting the > > DECtapes which were really reel-to-reel disk drives. > > Yes, DECtapes are very cool. DLTs are pretty nice too; they FINALLY > fixed the TK50 after a few iterations! ;) The TK50 was not so great; the TK70 was much more reliable. I don't have any experience with the TZ30 (although I do have one somewhere). The Tx85, Tx86, Tx87, Tx88, and Tx89 all seem to be exceptionally reliable (along with the equivalent DLTx000 drives). I used to use DAT at home. Now I use a DLT4700 system. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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