- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by daveb＠cup.hp.com

> > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Douglas Quebbeman > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:01 PM > > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > > Subject: RE: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing > > > > > > > Doesn't it seem a little odd to be debating whether emulators and > > > simulators are on-topic when the bulk of the list traffic is about > > > politics, and even the list owner can't get full cooperation in > > an attempt > > > to end threads that have absolutely NO connection with computers nor > > > computing? > > > > Ah, you've seen right through me... > > > > We need to get our minds off it for a while, now, I think... > > > > However, I'd actually hoped the discussion would quickly > > leave the real vs. virtual iron and stimulate some interest > > in the simulators and their range of capabilities. > > > > For example, the IBM 1620 emulator, written in Java, is > > very nice graphically; the 1620 had a great front panel. > > You can toggle in a program and run it; additionally, > > it comes with a memory test (or somesuch) already "loaded". > > > > But it has no facilities to load/save programs to/from disk. It will have when it's done. It's still a work-in-progress. Our plan is to have console typewriter, paper tape reader/punch and card reader/punch done graphically like the front panel. The IBM 1620 History project (of which the emulator is one part) has been on hold for almost a year but is being restarted. > > OTOH, Doug Jones' PDP/8E emulator provides those capabillites, > > and if you haven't seen Bernhard Baehr's PDP8/E emulator for > > the Mac, you should, assuming you have a Mac on which to run it. > > > > Hands down, though, the DEC-10 emulators are most excellent! > > They are able to provide me with a nearly exact duplicate of > > one of the computing environments I grew up with and miss. > > The few differences are: I'm the only user (something we used > > to live for), and the machine name doesn't say I U P U I in > > it. But I can change *that*... > > > > I can also get other users online, but that's another story... > > > > Regards, > > -dq Thanks, DaveB

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Doesn't it seem a little odd to be debating whether emulators and > simulators are on-topic when the bulk of the list traffic is about > politics, and even the list owner can't get full cooperation in an attempt > to end threads that have absolutely NO connection with computers nor > computing? Ah, you've seen right through me... We need to get our minds off it for a while, now, I think... However, I'd actually hoped the discussion would quickly leave the real vs. virtual iron and stimulate some interest in the simulators and their range of capabilities. For example, the IBM 1620 emulator, written in Java, is very nice graphically; the 1620 had a great front panel. You can toggle in a program and run it; additionally, it comes with a memory test (or somesuch) already "loaded". But it has no facilities to load/save programs to/from disk. OTOH, Doug Jones' PDP/8E emulator provides those capabillites, and if you haven't seen Bernhard Baehr's PDP8/E emulator for the Mac, you should, assuming you have a Mac on which to run it. Hands down, though, the DEC-10 emulators are most excellent! They are able to provide me with a nearly exact duplicate of one of the computing environments I grew up with and miss. The few differences are: I'm the only user (something we used to live for), and the machine name doesn't say I U P U I in it. But I can change *that*... I can also get other users online, but that's another story... Regards, -dq

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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> and if you haven't seen Bernhard Baehr's PDP8/E emulator for > the Mac, you should, assuming you have a Mac on which to run it. If you haven't seen it you should find a Mac and borrow it long enough to try it. I know of one list member that bought a Mac to run it (OK, granted it was a very old cheap one). When I got my PDP-8/m and was trying to get it running I used the emulator as a diagnostic aid, so I could see what I should be seeing on the real hardware and better understand what I was doing. Zane

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Introductory Electronics Book?

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill He will have to read it a couple of times but damn if it isn't the best one. --Chuck At 06:44 AM 9/10/01, you wrote: >I'd like to get some recommendations from the list for a good introductory >electronics book for my 14 year-old son. He's interested in building an >intercom system (and other circuits) that he got off the Web, and I would >like something for him to read that will give him a good understanding of >how the circuit works. (For example, it uses the primary windings of a >120V:12V transformer as a coil.) TIA.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I'm not favoring splitting the list... just hoping to avoid barbs > > for discussing stuff that isn't 10 years old (the sims themselves). > > I hadn't noticed those barbs. Were they because there wasn't an > obligatory mention of WTC? I've been as guilty as others about maintaining OT threads, the recent one about carburetors comes to mind... no one's ever flamed me for it (which is great), but given that many listers want to avoid too much OT stuff, it seemed worth bringing up. Actually, it never really gets very heated here... you should check out alt.sysadmin.recovery, they drummed me right out of there recently for not having a proper sigdash in my posts. For the record, I *do* have a proper sigdash in my posts (but not here); Outlook Express strips the trailing space, and, well, I'm spinning off-topic again... ;-) -dq

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Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) Starter Kit Available

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Of course, you'll need Bob's simulator; you can check out > Zane Healy's emulators page, or pick up a copy at: For those that don't know my page is at: http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html and Bob's pages are at: http://www.tiac.net/users/mps/retro/ I've got links to all the ITS related materials on the net that I'm aware of. If anyone knows of any documenation of any sort on the net besides what is at Mirian's site, or the ITS reference manual, version 1.5 from MIT, I'd appreciate knowing about it. The same goes for any other documenation for TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 that isn't already listed on my site. Zane

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Perhaps I've been a little strong with my comments (about emulators, say) in > the past. If so, I apologise. I wasn't intending to flame anybody... Nope... didn't take it that way, anyway.... I don't recall when the list was founded ('97?), though I'm a latecomer ('00)... but I still consider a certain portion of the discussions here amount to each of us "feeling each other's callouses"... to abuse banker- talk... Regards, -dq

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! They refused to swap my machine... and you can't tell me that ! they didn't ! already have the new ones on order if they were there 2 days ! later... the ! bastard was just trying to clear out inventory and take ! advantage of a ! young teenager. Ouch... That hurts! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! ...I'm not sure how many of you have ever thought about this; but > ! now that I've broached the subject, whaddy'all think? > > I dunno about splitting the list. Even my interest is in the > hardware side, like Tony, I'm sure there are many here that go both ways. > And there will be new guys, that are unsure about thier preference, and > seeing discussions about both sides in one place here, will definitely be > helpful to them... I'm not favoring splitting the list... just hoping to avoid barbs for discussing stuff that isn't 10 years old (the sims themselves). -dq

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by cisin＠xenosoft.com

Doesn't it seem a little odd to be debating whether emulators and simulators are on-topic when the bulk of the list traffic is about politics, and even the list owner can't get full cooperation in an attempt to end threads that have absolutely NO connection with computers nor computing? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred

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Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) Starter Kit Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Calling all ten-heads... Thanks to the efforts of many people for preserving the ITS operating system, and to the more recent efforts by Mirian Crzig Lennox in creating an ITS starter kit, interested parties can now run ITS on Bob Supnik's SIMH PDP-10 sim. You'll find Mirian's ITS starter kit at: http://www.cosmic.com/u/mirian/its Of course, you'll need Bob's simulator; you can check out Zane Healy's emulators page, or pick up a copy at: http://www.cosmic.com/u/mirian/its/files/simh26b.zip Additionally, Mirian has also created a mailing list: "To subscribe, send an empty e-mail with "subscribe" in the subject to <its-hackers-request(a)cosmic.com>. The list address itself is <its-hackers(a)cosmic.com>. You must be subscribed to the list in order to post, to prevent spam (but the list is not archived on the web, so you don't need to worry about spam-bots. If I ever do archive the list on-line, I will munge all e-mail addresses to thwart the spam-bots.)" Mirian is providing only the OS for now, but expects to have MIDAS (the ITS assembler), TECO, and of course, EMACS up soon. Everyone is asking about MACLISP; anyone have a copy? Regards, -doug quebbeman

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Properly known as the 'Macintosh SE FDHD'. Yep, I got one of these, running >OS 6.0.7, 50MB HDD, and 4MB RAM... Yeah, I got screwed out of mine... I bought my SE and had heard rumor about them going to FDHDs, and I SPECIFICALLY asked the Computer Factory salesman if they were going to switch. He told me no, that the rumor was false, so I shelled out my $2500 for the SE. Two days later, I was in the Computer Factory, and what did they have... big signs talking about the just arrived SE FDHDs!!! Same price, newer drives! They refused to swap my machine... and you can't tell me that they didn't already have the new ones on order if they were there 2 days later... the bastard was just trying to clear out inventory and take advantage of a young teenager. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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IBM System 23

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Does anyone know what current options there are for using IBM System 23 software? This can include emulators, compatible machines or OSes, pretty much anything that is more current than a true 23 and will run the 23 software. I have ONE program that I can't convince the boss to upgrade, and it currently runs on the System 23... the problem is, I am down to my last working machine, and I fear it too will die soon. So I am looking for a way to move the software to a more current computer. I was thinking of a System 23 emulator running on a current Mac or PC, but I have not been successful in finding such (nor do I have any idea how I would transfer the software, but one step at a time) Anyone have any advice? (other than, stop using the software, or upgrade it to a new application... as both ideas have fallen on deaf ears for the last 4 years) Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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classiccmp-digest V1 #716

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> What kind of security is going to protect against that kind of attack? I > have a knife like object I use to open my mail, its called a CIA Letter > opener, made of glass reinforced nylon it has no xray image, yet is strong > enough to be pounded thru 5/8" plywood without breaking. Three things leap to mind: 1. ban all hand luggage 2. perform security checks right before boarding the plane as well as at the gate and departures entrance 3. have at least three armed counter-terrorist specialists on every flight to cover front, middle & rear sections of the plane. Maybe even six. One thing's for sure - until airlines/governments implement these kind of measures there's *no way* I'm getting on another plane. No way. -al

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Paging Bill Bradford

by jss＠subatomix.com

My e-mail is not getting through to Bill Bradford: jss@lepton$ mailq /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) ----Q-ID---- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------ f88GZoL28038 999 Sat Sep 8 11:35 <jss(a)subatomix.com> (Deferred: 450 <lepton.subatomix.com>: Helo command rejected:) <mrbill(a)mrbill.net> Bill, if you're listening, could you check this out? Thanks! -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Spliting a DEC BA350

by dittman＠dittman.net

> A BA350 is a StorageWorks shelf. It has a total of 8 slots, one of which > MUST be used for a power SBB (System Building Block), and a second that can > be used for one. The second power slot and the remaining 6 slots can be > used for drive SBB's, which are typically one slot Hard Drives, but can > also be CD-ROM's and DLT drives (both 3 slot I believe, and I don't think > there is a 8mm tape option), or a 1 slot 4mm tape drive. Unfortunatly all > I've got are disks. The BA350 shelf is Narrow SCSI, there is also a BA356 > which is wide SCSI and has an additional model where the cables plug in > that takes a 'personality model', this dictates if the shelf is Narrow or > Wide. The BA356 is a wide shelf even if the 8-bit personality module is installed. The 8-bit personality module just lets you use wide shelves/drives with narrow controllers. A wide drive will not work in a narrow shelf. > That's just the single shelf config's. There are also shelves that take > things such as a HSZ50 which plugs into a SCSI DIFF card and can do RAID > and stuff, or another HSsomething that plugs into a DSSI bus. The HSZxx are differential SCSI, the HSDxx are DSSI, the HSJxx are CI, and the HSGxx are fibre channel. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Mike Kopplin had an HP 200LX palmtop (i80186, 2MB Ram, MS-DOS 5.0, powered by AC wall wart or 2 AA batteries; not entirely OT, since the 200LX model didn't come out until 1994, but the LX line started in 1991) running as a web server for 16 months between April 16, 1999 and September 4, 2000. For more information see: http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/welcome.html

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Spliting a DEC BA350

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm finding myself trying to bring another system online, needing more space on an existing system and running short of space in my server rack. I seem to recall that it is possible to split a BA350 in half by pulling something out. Am I correct in assuming that this lets you plug the shelf into two seperate systems (in this case one Alpha/UNIX, and the other VAX/VMS). Anyone have any experience with this? Zane

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*sigh*

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay --- Thanks for the smack, honestly, really. I do owe you a big apology for my rash message. I forgot to count to 5 (and think) before hitting the Send button. I know this is no excuse, but I replied rashly, in the heat of the moment, and out of anger. I also didn't realize exactly who you were either, in relation to this list. Again, big apologies to you, Jay. My bad. ! ... And before ! you go and accuse me of insensitivity, you might consider that the WTC ! tragedy has affected me very personally and directly in a ! manner that I will ! not discuss here. I'm not gonna ask, don't want to know, but my prayers go to you and yours, along with everyone else affected by this... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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errata

by west＠tseinc.com

oops... it was a typo, I meant 100, not 101 *GRIN* Is *THAT* what none of the programs I enter from the front panel work :) Jay

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*sigh*

by west＠tseinc.com

David and Jeffrey: (The few places where I'm being sarcastic are explicitly noted in a manner I hope Jeffrey will find amusing) David said.... ----------------- They were then able to take care of necessary business in due time. If I upset someone by posting an OT message to one of my mailing lists, and helping someone in the process, I say too bad. Suck it up. There are a few times when an OT post is accepted. Yesterday was one of them. But, yes, now is the time to kill this thread from the list, now that everything has calmed down some... ----------------- "They were then able..." I agree. You're (and others) first few OT posts were no problem. I think it was intended as a service, and I (as well as others I'm sure) appreciated it. "suck it up"? <sarcasm>Your sentiment is duly noted. Thanks. I appreciate it.</sarcasm> "There are a few times when an OT post..." Yup, you're absolutely correct. I agree. That is why I didn't say a single word for the first 100 or so posts. Matter of fact, it wasn't the fact there were 100 posts about the subject that set me off, it was two things: 1) when the last few in the thread started to become extremely inflamatory political rhetoric, and 2) when the discussion branched into a discussion of the skillset necessary to fly a 767 (and I'm a pilot, so I'm not unappreciative of the content of the discussion). Case closed - I'm not going to revisit that, it was hashed over excessively a month ago. "But yes, now is the time to kill this thread..." <sarcasm>Why thank you for your decision.</sarcasm> Jeffrey said... -------------------- However, I think some sensitiviy and leverage may be appropriate given the circumstances. The US has faced inarguably, the worst tragedy whithin it's history and thousands of lives we're lost yesterday. -------------------- "...sensitivity and leverage..." I couldn't agree more. As a point of reference, you might want to be aware that the majority of private messages I got about the last political discussion asked for the "reasonable limit of posts in an OT thread" to be FOUR. Or did they really mean 101 (geek humor, do the math). I have no intentions whatsoever to be a censor (or even a moderator as Sellam suggests). I had no problem with the sensitivity and leverage of allowing the thread to go on as long as it was. I ONLY stepped in when the thread starting branching out to other OT threads, AND the political rhetoric started becoming exceptionally inflamatory. And before you go and accuse me of insensitivity, you might consider that the WTC tragedy has affected me very personally and directly in a manner that I will not discuss here. Regards Jay West

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Tim Olmstead passed away

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

I saw a note over on comp.os.cpm this morning saying that Tim Olmstead has succumbed to his cancer and passed away. Since the Caldera license to distribute CP/M was in his name, this will affect the free distribution of CP/M until someone can pry a new license out of Caldera. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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A great loss, on topic...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Today Tim Olmstead passed away from a battle with cancer. A great loss. For those less familiar with his efforts for the classic computer community the _Unofficial CP/M Web_ site is his effort. For me I lost a friend and someone that shared the love of a system he could totally understand to the very hardware and bits that made it run. Allison

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World Trade crash...

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/01 10:19:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: > Yes ... Dubya must have REALLY pissed someone off! Reports are that these > were > specific attacks, and that there was also an apparently intentional crash on > a > helipad near the Pentagon ... <sigh> You'd think they'd get closer than > that > ... > > Dick For those of you with friends and loved ones in these areas my heart and prayers are with you. At 10:40am here on the east coast there have been 4 attacks so far. The world trade center twice, the pentagon, and the state dept bldg in washington. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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ENOUGH ALREADY

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

-----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:west@tseinc.com] I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected. HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose. What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here. Regards, Jay West Jay --- Thank you for your sympathy... What possesed us to post updates here? Since I was the first to mention it (IIRC, I might be wrong), I'll answer... Simple. Many people here were stuck at work, without any source of news, to find out what was happening. Major news websites were useless, since they were all swamped yesterday. I know of a couple people, who didn't know a thing about it, until I sent a message. They were then able to take care of necessary business in due time. If I upset someone by posting an OT message to one of my mailing lists, and helping someone in the process, I say too bad. Suck it up. There are a few times when an OT post is accepted. Yesterday was one of them. But, yes, now is the time to kill this thread from the list, now that everything has calmed down some... It's time to help your neighbors. Call your local Red Cross, and make an app't to donate blood. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu <mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu> --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Where are the Anti-OT measures?

by celigne＠tinyworld.co.uk

I'm not disputing the importance of this issue, but this isn't the place.

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essential CP/M files

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Since somebody brought up the issue of CP/M, I have a question for the old CP/M hands out there in classiccmp-land. Short version: If you were stuck on an island with a solar-powered CP/M machine and only one floppy disk in CP/M 2.2 format, which programs and utilities would you want on that disk? Longer version: I've been (slowly) adding support for emulating a double-density (dual density, actually) northstar disk controller in my Sol emulator, Solace. When I release this version of the emulator, I was wondering what disk images to present with it. I know full well that I might be the only person who will really use this, and a few dozen people may fire it up, mess with it a bit, and that's all. Still, having spent so much time developing it, I'd like to present a polished package. There is, fortunately, a wealth of CP/M files still out there on the net, but my goal isn't to collect them all and put them on my site. What I want is to have some essential/useful general CP/M programs, then collect just those that are specific to the Sol version of CP/M (or another S-100 machine using a VDM). Any opinions of what I should distribute with the emulator? Here is what I am planning on so far: STAT PIP ASM MAC DDT ED DUMP LOAD SUBMIT XSUB This list was chosen simply because these are the standard programs/utilities that D.R. shipped with CP/M 2.2 and are described in their user's manual. Unfortunately, I don't have FORMAT, MOVCPM, PUTSYS, GETSYS, or SYSGEN since all this has been bootstrapped up off of the single floppy that was in my machine when I got it, and that disk didn't include much of anything other than the boot tracks. I could recreate them, but it would take some time and it is time I'd rather spend in other ways. It probably doesn't matter anyway since there is no good reason to SYSGEN as the emulator has only one memory size. Although there are lots of replacement programs for those listed above that are undoubtedly better than the stock CP/M 2.2 programs, I am going to use the originals from D.R. and leave it up to any user who cares enough to customize it as they see fit. I plan on adding one disk utility to allow making a sector-by-sector copy of virtual disks so that new boot disks can be created. NSCOPY is the one I use on my real Sol, so it is probably the one I will distribute with Solace. As a reminder, the Sol uses an 8080, so I can't use a lot of the fancy Z80-ified programs that are out there. Thanks for any opinions you can share. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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OT: Some new WTC pics...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I got a couple more pictures of the World Trade Towers... http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/updates.html --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Please, more computers...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY >volume lists than this one! I for one would like to read something about >classic computers, as I'm feeling the need for a refuge from the madness! Please, radio, TV and whatnot is saturated with the news. I need a break >from it. Right now I need something else even if off topic just not that one. Allison

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New scores!

by west＠tseinc.com

Just unpacked a truely rare and valuable item.... A CE alignment disc cartridge for an HP 7900A disc drive! woohoo! (also about five 7900A disc cartridges) Also just obtained three 7906D disc drives, three 13037 disc controller subsystems, three 13037 disc interface cards, about ten 7906 disc cartridges, and all associated cables! Of course, I am truely not worthy to own such gear, since I seem to think FOUR is 101 *GRIN* Jay West

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ENOUGH ALREADY

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I couldn't agree more! I'm down to three mailing lists anymore, and this list is the only one I activelly read. I'm also noticing that it has more posts about this than the other two put together, and they're BOTH higher volume lists than this one! I for one would like to read something about classic computers, as I'm feeling the need for a refuge from the madness! Zane > Well, I'll second Jay's opinion. I hope others who feel likewise will > do the same. > > I understand your need to discuss these events. I suggest you do so > with your family, friends, and co-workers. > > Respectfully, > > John > > Jeffrey Ingber wrote: > > > > Thanks for the HTML. > > > > Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people > > seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers. > > > > Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com) > > > > On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 16:21, Jay West wrote: > > > I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected. > > > > > > HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose. > > > > > > What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jay West > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature >

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Fwd: gulovsen@law.uiuc.edu: Wang disk conversion referral

by dtwright＠uiuc.edu

Hey all, If anyone can help this guy out, it'd be greatly appreciated... if you can help, please contact him directly. It sounds like they're willing to pay for the help too. Thanks... ----- Forwarded message from "Gulovsen, Grant" <gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu> ----- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:20:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Gulovsen, Grant" <gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu> From: "Gulovsen, Grant" <gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu> Subject: Wang disk conversion referral To: CCSP(a)LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU X-Loop: dtwright(a)uiuc.edu Despite asking all College of Law faculty members to convert their WANG-based documents to WordPerfect/Word many (many, many) years ago, we have a faculty member who now needs to pull an old article off of two 8" WANG disks (ugh). Does anyone out there know anyone who is capable of performing this onerous task? Obviously we would prefer to find something reasonably priced on campus, but he is willing to pay for a commercial service. Thanks (and he promises to convert all of his old WANG disks as part of this process). Sincerely, Grant Robert Gulovsen Director of Information Services University of Illinois College of Law 203A Law Building, MC-594 504 East Pennsylvania Avenue Champaign, IL 61820 phone: 217.244.0157 fax: 217.244.1478 email: gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu url: http://www.law.uiuc.edu ----- End forwarded message ----- - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

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Tim Olmstead passed away

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > >Why can't someone simply inherit Tim's license and pass it on to someone >else who is willing to take over? Is it non-transferrable? There is no license, it was a handshake between people in Caldara and Tim. Allison

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We're saved!

by foo＠siconic.com

I just heard on the news: no steak knives in First Class anymore. That'll thwart those pesky terrorists!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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still more OT

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Now CNN is reporting some people arrested on the George Washington Bridge driving a van full of explosives. It isn't "over" yet, --Chuck

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ebay: Intel SnapIn 386 upgrade for IBM 5160 AT or IBM PS/2 models 50 or 60

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Just posted it - 286 to 386 upgrade in box. Item 1273362665 for non-html readers. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1273362665

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August was the month for the Hayes Chronograph

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

Apparently, I shouldn't have left town. Someone here mentioned the Chronograph that went for $39 on eBay during the third week of August. Shortly thereafter, from St. Louis, another one went, with box, for $10.50 after two bids. :-( Foo! -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com

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Hayes Chronograph on eBay

by rcini＠optonline.net

No bids as of 9pm EST. Item 1266277281. $9.00 I'm not connected to the auction in any way. I was just browsing and throught I'd let everyone know. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Since you don't know what to do with either, here is a little warning, >they're big. I'm going to guess the 11/730 is a 19" rack, and the 11/750 >will be bigger. YIKES... humm... then maybe I don't want them (although, still, if they are going to the dumpster, I would probably play with them for a while before returning them to the dumpster, or passing them on to someone else) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2001 10:15:10 AM Central Daylight Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: > How big is a 737? I didn't think an airplane would do that much > damage. The Empire State building has been hit before, by accident, > although, it prpbably wasn't a direct hit. > > I see it on TV, However. I'm stunned, really. > > looks like it hit sideways on edge, taking out that side of the building. a B24 hit the ESB, not that much damage.

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anyone have a wire disc cartridge rack?

by west＠tseinc.com

Since I've finally gotten my 2000Access system up AND obtained a fair number of 7900/7906 cartridges for it, I was looking for a cartridge rack. The style I'm thinking of is simply thick metal wire/rods, formed into a long tripod affair. This type was typically put on top of the computer rack or on a table, and 7900/7906 media (think RK05 or IBM 2313 cartridges) just got set in each slot on their side. This rack just held the media until use, very much like the wire tabletop mag tape racks. I'm looking for one that holds about 7-10 cartridges or so. If anyone has one of these to part with (or is willing to cut a long one in half and give up half) let me know. Thanks! Jay West

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Introductory Electronics Book?

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> Chuck McManis wrote: > > > The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill > > > > Great book, but definitely NOT as an introductory book. I'm not sure that it falls into either category... I bought it recently - it does start off assuming no prior knowledge, so from that point of view it's suitable for beginners. It does however get very "involved" quite early on... to me though this is a good thing, and I wouldn't hesistate in recommending the book to other beginners like myself as long as you're genuinely motiviated enough to want to learn - I had to re-read some sections several times before the mental light clicked on :-) The "eureka" moment in the bath when I finally understood how the NAND transistor circuit worked was too cool for words ;-) The writing style is very clear, they give "real world" examples, sample circuits (both good and bad, to illustrate common gotchas), and cover a huge range of topics. It's a MUST HAVE in my opinion. --al

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OT: World Trade crash...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Like I said, this is a reckoning. > > > It is only a reckoning in the eyes of a select few -- such > as those firing guns in the air in celebration of the many > dead. There is no way that the taking of thousands of > "innocent" lives balances out anything. Just as nothing > will be resolved when we inevitably do the same in > retaliation. I think the point he was trying to make regarding reckoning is that America's foreign policy doesn't take into account (or does a poor job of doing so) the reactions of various peoples who think of themselves as disaffected. So, our nation throws it weight around long enough, and eventually, push comes to shove. I had expected something like this for a long time; the recent economic good-times had lulled me into a false sense of security (things are great all over, no?)... It's not about whether they are justfied (in reality) or not, but how they feel about their situation. They feel put-upon, and they hold us partly (w/r/t Palestinians) or totally (Iraq) to blame. Should we therefore have a foreign policy that is doomed to forever "walk on eggshells"? No; but status quo clearly isn't working. -dq

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OT- Re: World Trade Crash and a bit about computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Keep in mind, Arthur, that you can't have it both ways. You've got to choose > between security and freedom. I think what Sellam is driving at is that every > externally imposed effort to ensure your security impairs someone's freedoms. > Perhaps we don't all see it that way, but it could be argued. Nonetheless, I > don't feel that letting someone look in my carry-on luggage to make sure I don't > have guns, knives, bombs, etc. is a reasonable infringement, partiticularly > since I've effectively agreed to allow this invasion of my privacy as part of > the contract associated with air travel. This will certainly lead to fewer men packing women's underwear in their suitcases, not to mention various flesh-tone plastic toys... Should anyone else care to enumerate the "legal things I'd hate to get caught with in my suitcase", please reply privately... -dq

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OT: World Trade crash updates...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

All my prayers go out to all the victims... Some updates & summary from various sources... Two planes have flown into both towers of the World Trade Center, one plane (an American Airlines 767) is known to have been hijacked from an airport in Boston. The towers have been evacuated. Uh oh, some are still in the towers, two people just jumped. Part of the World Trade tower has collapsed All traffic in and out of NY has been stopped, no one in, no one out. All airports in US have been shut down. No flights in, no flights out. 1-800 phone calls apparently not working... A commercial airplane has flown into the Pentagon, Pentagon has been evacuated too. UNCONFIRMED reports of several more (possibly hi-jacked) planes still in the air. All other planes have been ordered to land. A fire has started in front of the White House (they are calling it the Mall of the White House) and the White House has been evacuated too. Capitol, treasury, White House, and State Department have been evacuated. Boston and many other major cities are evacuating all potential taget sites/buildings also... As the White House was being evacuated, a threat came in, a credible threat, and the evacuation process went even fast, at first they were evacuating in an orderly fashion. Supposedly the president was supposed to be heading back from Florida. I'm sure that's going to be detoured somewhere else. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Asunto: Re: World Trade crash...

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

$20 worth of flight sim should be enough for the job. -----Original Message----- From: jss Sent: 12 September 2001 14:58 To: classiccmp Cc: jss Subject: Re: Asunto: Re: World Trade crash... On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Chuck McManis wrote: > Don, you forget [...] training I bet this was the biggest cost; you just don't learn how to fly a big commercial jet overnight. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2001 11:37:26 AM Central Daylight Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: > Richard Erlacher wrote: > > The networks are issuing conflicting reports about that, but it's clear it > > wasn't a helipad on a nearby building. The Pentagon is apparently > severely > > damaged and there's been considerable loss of life. Of course that's > nothing as > > compared with the WTC disaster, now that both towers have collapsed. > > Doesn't the pentagon hold many many people as well? > > > The heart of Washington D.C. OTOH is apparently being (relatively) quitely > > evacuated. I don't know how the key government agencies can function if > they're > > not going to work, however. They've shut down the CIA, the NSA, and other > > security-related agencies. You (Jeff) can probably provide more detail, > since > > you're there. > > I'm sure the core parts of the agencies are working very hard right > now. They'll be in the field and in other lesser known offices. If > another plane hit the main offices of our security agencies, with our > people inside, then we would be in a lot more trouble. It's better to > have them in other places. > > > > > I note that Dubya is on the tube. I wonder where they set him down. He > was in > > the air when this happened. Likewise, Colin Powell apparently turned > around > > from his trip to Columbia, or wherever he was going. > > I haven't seen him yet. I did just see Arafat. He looked shocked, > althoughm he might be a good actor too? Don't know, just speculating. > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > my brother says AF1 came in andrews AFB with fighter escort and it's locked up there better than alcratraz. Im sure there's plenty going on in DC as theres lots of information that doesnt get fed to the general populace.

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World Trade crash...

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I work in midtown Manhattan...both buildings have collapsed. There is nothing but blue sky where the Twin Towers once stood. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:23 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) Subject: OT: World Trade crash... Importance: High I take it you all heard about the two 737s (?) hitting the world trade buildings... one was possibly a hijacked airliner... each hit a seperate tower, I believe... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Tandy 1400 LT

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

Mike, There were a few before the 1400. The 100/102/200 for sure. There are many 100's and 102's still in use. I know a few journalists locally using them. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Mike Ford Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:13 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Tandy 1400 LT I bought a Tandy 1400 portable today. Not bad shape, a bit of plastic damage in a couple places on the case, but it lights up and asks for a floppy and the battery doesn't even appear totally totally dead (only mostly dead). Is this the first Tandy laptop? Anybody interested before eBay? NEC 8088 4.77/7.00 MHz CPU (V-20) LCD Backlit CGA Display Panel Dual 3.5" 720k Disk Drives 640k RAM Serial/Parallel/CGA/TV Connectors

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A great loss, on topic...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 11, 21:42, ajp166 wrote: > Today Tim Olmstead passed away from a battle with cancer. > A great loss. I'm very sorry to hear that. He was a nice guy and made a significant contribution to our hobby. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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