- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >Rich --- > Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take >about an hour and a half... [snip] I've not seen lags anywhere near that -- mebbe 5-10 minutes at most. My Eudora checks mail every 4 minutes, and it's usually 2 checks & it's there. Methinks it might be something on your end... Have you called your ISP? I'll time this one and see what I end up with... HTH, "Merch" -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> What really puts me off emulators is that they're so awfully lame. How can an > emulator be lame? Well, it's not as much the emulators as the crowd > surrounding them. They're usually Win#? kids who know nothing about old > computers, really don't care, and just want games, games, games, all for free. Apples and oranges, Iggy. That's a totally different emulator world than the one I'm talking about. In the world I'm talking about, I don't think anyone creating emulators is under 40 years of age (well, Daniel Seagraves is under 40, I think). However, MAME32 which I assume is one of the game emulators to which you're referring, is well-constructed. And since the mainframe that I'm working to emulate had a vector graphics display as its system console, rather than reinvent the wheel, I intend on using the MAME32 codebase to build the CDC 6602/6612 display console emulator. This is a serious project that will be able to run all the operating systems and product set software that the real iron was running in 1976. Eventually, it will even have emulated card readers and punches; a web page will provide the user the ability to create what appear to be perfect IBM unit-records (punch cards), in the form of an image, then the punched card will go into a visually-represented deck. Then, you'll be able to grab the deck with the mouse, with the pointer changing into a hand, as you drop the deck into the image of a card reader. The job will then be read by the emulated mainframe, and processed until completion. Simulated lineprinters will be constructed using captured images of the actual "fonts" used by the printer (chain, band, etc). I may even include an option for greenbar paper. But ultimately, my underlying motivation is the same as the "game-kiddi3s" to which you refer: they can't afford the real thing, and neither can I. If I owned the mainframe of my choice, running it for a single week could consume my entire year's salary. Now, I don't want to dissuade you from your opinion. But I think perhaps you hadn't thought about emulators in the broader context to which I'm referring... Regards, -dq

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth > >> poop. > > > >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > >keyboard. > > > Thats one solution. The other is a real VT{100|125|330|340} or H19 since > I do have them and prefer the feel of the keyboards and their respective > layouts. The LK461 has the same feel and layout as the LK201 used on the VT-330 and VT-340. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >Properly known as the 'Macintosh SE FDHD'. Yep, I got one of ! >these, running ! >OS 6.0.7, 50MB HDD, and 4MB RAM... ! ! I've got both kinds, one of which which is equipped with a ! 3Com Ethernet card. ! Unfortunately, 3Com seem to have forgotten all about making ! such a beast, and ! have even managed to reuse its model number on some PCMCIA card. =/ 3Com? I didn't know that they believed in Macintosh! ! >Yeah, the SE/30 is a 68030, 16MHz; with 68882 FPU and 0.5K ! >of L1 cache! Have ! >two of these, OS 7.1 and 7.0.1... ! ! Me too, but shouldn't that be a 68881? My info is taken from the Apple Spec Database, and that's what they wrote... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> wrote: > Can you tell me anything about the HP3000/48? Physically, it's the size and almost the shape of a desk, meaning there's a woodgrain top and it can double as the console table. However, what's under the desk is the processor, memory, I/O interface cards, and power supply, which makes the whole lot kind of heavy. Oh yes, and if you use it as the console table, look down by your right knee for a power switch. Think about "right knee" and "power switch" a bit, and then go find something to keep them safe from each other. This will be faithful to contemporary practice; I've seen cardboard taped over the switch, and also seen those magnetic covers used by telco guys to cover mated 50-pin jacks (and stick them to a nearby steel desk, cabinet, or radiator) in office settings. -Frank McConnell

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DEC Keyboards (was: Re: Classic Computers vs. Classic)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I wonder if the mushiness of the LK201 was a response to complaints that > the VT100 keyboard was a little too heavy at times. As a VT100 keyboard > aged the keys seem to develop little "catches" that made some keys more > difficult to depress. I'm guessing it's more the type keyswitches they bought, or did they outsource the entire keyboard? > A VT2x0/VT3x0/VT4x0/VT5xx can emulate a VT100, so use an emulated VT100 > with an emulated PDP-10. :-) I'm already doing that with a VT420 :^) Zane

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 14, 8:18, Jonathan Engdahl wrote: > An idea that I've been thinking about is the re-implementation of a classic > architecture (for me, probably a PDP-11) using entirely modern hardware. [...] > Another approach would be to view a Wintel > PC as a microcoded platform, and reimplement the PDP-11 on that hardware. > The microcode would be written in tightly crafted Pentium code. The machine > would bootstrap itself by loading the microcode from a special partition on > the hard drive. Why not burn it into (EP)ROM? 64K for the opcode jump table fits in a 27512, you maybe want about the same again for the code, and that would fit in some devices used for BIOS ROMs these days. Or put it on a SIMM or DIMM. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I'd have to see the schematics but I'd bet a timing difference or a conflict on a bus line usage. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <bills(a)adrenaline.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel >I brought this up some time ago, but never >got a satisfactory answer... > >When I use the above combination (regardless >of CPU board), while the system in general >works fine, the deposit/examine functionality >of the front panel stops working. Somebody >said they knew of a fix, but then never posted >anything else. I've looked at the schematics >(I have them for both items) and can't for the >life of me see anything that would conflict. > >Any help greatly appreciated. >

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Why is this so slow?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:06 AM >Subject: Why is this so slow? > > >> Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes >> (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get sent back out? Fire your ISP or find out why they use a string for a link. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric J. Korpela <korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu> >In the case of CP/M machines, running an emulator on a modern machine with >a decent OS greatly improves the development environment. I find myself >developing software on my PIII in a native editor, compiling/assembling with >MyZ80, and transfering it to the CP/M machines for use there. (Not that I do >a lot of CP/M development.) I like to and MyZ80 allows it to be more portable than my S100 crate or the Kaypro. Then again, my AmproLB system with 45mb disk is far smaller than most PCs. Allison

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[Donna.Deleon@COMPAQ.com: Urgent Vax 7800]

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

Maybe the Pentagon is going to use VAX 7800's in their retaliatory strike for the WTC attacks. They are certainly as heavy as DU rounds :) Seriously though, a couple of things have come to light in the aftermath of this event: 1) VAXen are so reliable that several people keep them in production envirionments even today. 2) When you destroy a facility at large as the WTC and Pentagon off site backups don't help if they only system of capable of running your backups gets destroyed as well. Only the very serious disaster recovery plans consider the case that the entire datacenter is destroyed. At 01:50 PM 1/6/80, you wrote: >Area code 719? THAT'S NEWFOUNDLAND! SOMETHING IS UP!

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! ...In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the ! emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His ! reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective, ! it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be ! separated from the experiencing of the computer.... ! ! ...I'm not sure how many of you have ever thought about this; but ! now that I've broached the subject, whaddy'all think? I dunno about splitting the list. Even my interest is in the hardware side, like Tony, I'm sure there are many here that go both ways. And there will be new guys, that are unsure about thier preference, and seeing discussions about both sides in one place here, will definitely be helpful to them... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Wanted: QBus ESDI controller

by matt＠knm.yi.org

Hi, Before I get swamped with "Hey, why not get a SCSI controller instead" replies - I have a few unused fullheight ESDI drives, and I figure the best box I have to put them in is my MV3300. Sooo... poor little me sat here in Manchester, UK has a MV3300 just waiting for an ESDI controller, and I figured someone out there in vaxenland might have one going spare for the cost of postage, and maybe a contribution of some sort (but not too much cause I am but a poor student). So - anyone out there think they can help? :&) -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.yi.org/ http://pkl.net/~matt/ PGP Key fingerprint = 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5 D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8D7F PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html

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Paging Bill Bradford

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 13, 13:05, Bill Bradford wrote: > bash-2.03$ nslookup subatomix.com > Server: localhost > Address: 127.0.0.1 > > Name: subatomix.com > Address: 24.94.226.65 > > bash-2.03$ nslookup 24.94.226.95 > Server: localhost > Address: 127.0.0.1 > > Name: okc-94-226-95.mmcable.com > Address: 24.94.226.95 > > DNS be brokie. I guess I"ll have to turn off the reject-mailhosts-with-bad-dns > requirement.. Um, not necessarily. You mis-typed the IP address on the second lookup. subatomix.com is indeed a valid domain name, registered by Tierranet whose nameserver (ns1.domaindiscover.com) will give you the A record and MX record for subatomix (both point to 24.94.226.65). However, there's no necessary correspondence between the domain name registrar, DNS provider for forward lookups, and ISP who provides the actual connection and address (usually also the DNS provider for reverse lookups). The reverse lookup for 24.94.226.65 comes out as okc-94-226-65.mmcable.com which isn't surprising. The reverse lookup is done by the mmcable servers, since they own the address space. If you look at Jeffrey's home page, it's URL is http://home.mmcable.com/xoraxax/, so that fits. Whether your mailserver will accept mail directly from Jeffrey's machine probably depends on what his machine is calling itself in the HELO and whether your mailserver does a reverse and forward lookup to check (as you've implied). If so, possible solutions are (1) turn off the double check, (2) have Jeffrey's machine give its mmcable.com name when sending mail, (3) have Jeffrey's machine relay mail through mmcable's server (assuming mmcable really is his ISP), or (4) persuade mmcable (again, assuming they're his ISP) to include his properly registered domain name in their DNS. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] ! ! I suspect that this delay is provided so that one can figure ! out how to word an ! apology for having made an inane comment in the midst of an ! OT thread. It's ! seldom used, though. Rich --- Was that a poke at me? :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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DEC Keyboards (was: Re: Classic Computers vs. Classic)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Okay, this lead me to pull an LK201 out of the closet. You're right, the > >LK401 > >is not as mushy as the LK201. > > That's only part of it, the angle of the keys are slightly different, and > (and this is the part that is really hard to explain) somehow the LK201 > seems to have sharper corners to me, with the LK401 seeming to be a more > polished feel to it. A big difference is the LK201 uses those easily-lost black plastic posts to raise the back of the keyboard to a decent height. The LK401 does have a more polished look and feel. The LK201 keyboard always looked to me like the case was a temporary prototype. The old flip-top version of the LK201 struck me as too much for what it does. The simpler slot for the strip in the later version was simpler and less trouble. > BTW, I just checked and it's a pair of LK450's I got recently, though I > think I've got a LK461 up in storage. The LK450 is almost identical to > LK401, except it's got the PS/2 interface, and the keyboard is about as > mushy as the LK201. I wonder if the mushiness of the LK201 was a response to complaints that the VT100 keyboard was a little too heavy at times. As a VT100 keyboard aged the keys seem to develop little "catches" that made some keys more difficult to depress. > Of course for the people that prefer a VT100, none of these keyboards are a > substitute, but for those that want a proper keyboard for VMS, they're > great. I personally don't really care for the VT100 keyboard, though I am > trying to figure out where in here I can set one up as I want to use it to > access the PDP-10 emulators. A VT2x0/VT3x0/VT4x0/VT5xx can emulate a VT100, so use an emulated VT100 with an emulated PDP-10. :-) -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Rich --- Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take about an hour and a half... And the speed some discussions go at sometimes, it is almost like a chatroom. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:18 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! I'm curious why it's important that it be quick? This is a ! mailing list, not a ! chat room. ! ! Dick ! ! ----- Original Message ----- ! From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> ! To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:06 AM ! Subject: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! > Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes ! > (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to ! get sent back out? ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 ! > ! > !

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > >keyboard. > > What makes the LK461 special? The LK461 (and related keyboards, like the LK46W) have the same layout as the LK401, including all the keys. I use a couple on my Alphas and VT525. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay --- Actually, the messages I sent in this thread, I've been checking the time, and they're taking 1.5 hours to come around... Is that normal? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Jay West [mailto:west@tseinc.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:31 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Yes, I know exactly why it takes 15-20 minutes for postings ! to be echoed to ! the list. ! ! How is this a problem? There's several reasons why it is set ! this way, but ! if it's a problem for folks that classiccmp reflections take ! 30 mins to go ! out, just let me know. ! ! Jay West ! ! ! ----- Original Message ----- ! From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> ! To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:06 AM ! Subject: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! > Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes ! > (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to ! get sent back ! out? ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 ! > !

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The LK461 has the same feel and layout as the LK201 used on the VT-330 and > >VT-340. > > Oh, I'm going to have to disagree there! The LK201 has the same layout, > but the LK401 has a better look and feel! The only advantage the LK201 has > is the place to stick something that tells what the function keys are > mapped to. In fact the LK401 feels about as good as my Apple Extended II > Keyboard! Okay, this lead me to pull an LK201 out of the closet. You're right, the LK401 is not as mushy as the LK201. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel

by bills＠adrenaline.com

I brought this up some time ago, but never got a satisfactory answer... When I use the above combination (regardless of CPU board), while the system in general works fine, the deposit/examine functionality of the front panel stops working. Somebody said they knew of a fix, but then never posted anything else. I've looked at the schematics (I have them for both items) and can't for the life of me see anything that would conflict. Any help greatly appreciated.

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Solomon Splitting the list... (was: Classic Computers vs. Cl assic Computing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > Now, if anyone's ever *heard* of a SPDT DIPswitch bank, let ! >alone where I ! > could find some... otherwise I'll be stuck with jumpers ! >(which is O.K., but ! > dip switches would look nicer & be harder to lose from the finished ! > project...) So far, Jameco, JDR Microdevices & B.G. Micro ! >don't list them... ! > ! > == I'm sure I haven't said this enough, so: "Thanks, Tony!" == ! > ! > "Merch" ! > -- ! > Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers ! > Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. ! ! I've never seen SPDT dipswitches in computers. ! ! The closest thing I've seen, I believe, are the dip switches ! in Sears Garage Door Openers and the handheld clicker for them. ! ! They've got two positions + and - but a central neutral ! position IIRC which makes them kind of SPDT with a neutral position. ! ! Hope this is some help. ! ! Bill Well, you could always take a DPDT switch, and wire up only one half of it.... Try Radio Shack? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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essential CP/M files

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

It would be great if you could do WordMaster, the precursor to WordStar. It was a very useful editor for programming and its pattern of control-keys for cursor movement and editing was used by many other programs. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Battle [mailto:frustum@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:34 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: essential CP/M files Allison wrote: <snip> >How about a decent editor? I used CP/M just a bit back in the day, and I'm only now learning a bit more about it. Do you have any recommendations? I've seen TED in one of the CP/M archives, but I haven't gotten far enough along to see if I can get it to run on a Sol. <snip>

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Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) Starter Kit Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Of course, you'll need Bob's simulator; you can check out > > Zane Healy's emulators page, or pick up a copy at: > > For those that don't know my page is at: > http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html > and Bob's pages are at: > http://www.tiac.net/users/mps/retro/ > > I've got links to all the ITS related materials on the net that I'm aware > of. If anyone knows of any documenation of any sort on the net besides what > is at Mirian's site, or the ITS reference manual, version 1.5 from MIT, I'd > appreciate knowing about it. The same goes for any other documenation for > TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 that isn't already listed on my site. On your ITS page, the last link: http://bony.umtec.com/pdp10.html appears to be stale... might just be down at the moment, but the sources for ITS can also be found on John Wilson's FTP site. He requests that downloads take place after hours or on weekends. -dq

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essential CP/M files

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>If you were stuck on an island with a solar-powered CP/M machine and only one floppy disk in CP/M 2.2 format, which programs and utilities would you want on that disk? I'd have two floppies. Any opinions of what I should distribute with the emulator? Here is what I am planning on so far: STAT PIP ASM MAC DDT ED DUMP LOAD SUBMIT XSUB How about a decent editor? >Unfortunately, I don't have FORMAT, MOVCPM, PUTSYS, GETSYS, or SYSGEN since None of those are very meaningful for an emulator. >Although there are lots of replacement programs for those listed above that are undoubtedly better than the stock CP/M 2.2 programs, I am going to use the originals from D.R. and leave it up to any user who cares enough to customize it as they see fit. Why? will the emulator provide a way to create a new disk drive? Allison

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Solomon Splitting the list... (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 14, 11:02, Roger Merchberger wrote: > Now, if anyone's ever *heard* of a SPDT DIPswitch bank, let alone where I > could find some... otherwise I'll be stuck with jumpers (which is O.K., but > dip switches would look nicer & be harder to lose from the finished > project...) So far, Jameco, JDR Microdevices & B.G. Micro don't list them... You certainly can get them. I have some in my junk box and they're listed in the Farnell catalogue over here (http://www.farnell.co.uk/). Farnell, incidentally, have outlets in the US. Depending on exactly what you want to do there are various options. Tyco make a "subminature washable PCB mounting" SPDT switch with pins on a 0.1" pitch which are side-stackable (part number SE1DGPCFN). EAO make one that's explicitly listed as stackable, 0.1" pitch, SPDT is part no 09-03290-01. ERG make SPDT (and others) as part of their 014 DIL switch series (the ones with colour-coded sliders), SDC1014, SDC2014 and SDC4014 are 1, 2, and 4-section respectively. They also do a recessed SPDT (SCD1 023 to SCD5 023 for 2/4/6/8 pole), slide switches in similar style which are 1-pole/8-way, 2-pole/4-way, and 4-pole/2-way (DS16C18, DS16C24, DS16C42). Enough? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Olivetti ETX II

by sstratford＠mbbc.edu

Can anyone point me in the right direction to someone who might have information about an old CP/M machine and/or parts (specifically, keyboard): Olivetti ETX II. Thanks. --Steve

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Why is this so slow?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes > (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get > sent back out? Echelon? -dq

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Emulators (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Unfortunately, last year, one of our administrators hauled off all of our > > > file cabinets of punched cards, and I don't know where else to find a > > > copy. > > > > Is he a preservationist? Or was he just cleaning shop? > > He filled several dumpsters with irreplaceable classic computer stuff, > without asking whether we wanted to part with any of it, and on a weekend, > so that we didn't know about it until it was gone. Molten iron would be > too gentle. Epithelial vaporization by carbon-dioxide laser over a 10-year period? -dq

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[Donna.Deleon@COMPAQ.com: Urgent Vax 7800]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Some people in the Pentagon have a need for CPU and RAM for a VAX 7800.. Please contact Donna if you can help. Bill ----- Forwarded message from "Deleon, Donna" <Donna.Deleon(a)COMPAQ.com> ----- From: "Deleon, Donna" <Donna.Deleon(a)COMPAQ.com> To: "'mrbill(a)decdocs.org'" <mrbill(a)decdocs.org> Subject: Urgent Vax 7800 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:42:28 -0500 Good afternoon Bill, I am a Compaq employee and participated on a North America conference call. During the call many things were mentioned re: the devastation that we all faced here in America. During the call it was asked that if there were any contacts that could be provided in search of as many as 70, 7800 Vax system that are needed at the Pentagon with deep urgency. Do you have any that you are willing to loan/donate etc.....or know of anybody that would be able to provide the same? Please feel free to contact me @ 719 592-6767 with any additional questions or leads that I can follow up on. Your help is greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Donna L. DeLeon ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Need Electronic Soldering help....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

***This is sent to the whole ClaasicCmp list, since others may/will have 166Alpha Multias too...*** Pat --- Well, the Multia Heat Death Syndrome (MHDS) is mentioned here... http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html#heat-death ...it seems to affect only Multias with the 166MHz Alpha processor. It is on the underside of the board, at the edge closest to the power supply, label E215. One of my Multias just froze, and won't boot up since. Probably MHDS... Common recommendations for Multias is to replace that chip right away. Forgot to do that myself :-/ Doh! Second is to remove the red thermal resistor from the cooling fan (2 yellow wires), which then allows the fan to run at full speed all the time. Or just replace the fan with something that has more cfm output. Once you've got that covered, you should be all set. ---If you put a 2.5" IDE laptop HDD in it, remember that SRM console cannot see it, and therefore cannot boot a kernel off it. You have to either boot from a SCSI HDD, or load the kernel off the floppy, which then can see the IDE HDD and use it. ARC console can boot from either SCSI or IDE. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Pat Barron [mailto:pat@transarc.ibm.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:06 PM ! To: David Woyciesjes ! Subject: Re: Need Electronic Soldering help.... ! ! ! David, ! ! I wish I could help you (if I was closer, I'd be happy to). But, your ! message caught my attention - could you explain what you mean ! by the "heat ! death chip"? I am guessing you are referring to a chip that ! has a history ! of failure due to overheat, but which one is it? I have a ! Multia that I ! have not done much with just yet; wondering what sorts of ! problems I can ! expect .... ! ! Thanks, ! --Pat. ! !

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Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts@verizon.net)?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Bennet's okay. He was just busy with other stuff, because of Tuesday. He sent this message to me... "...A lot of things went on hold due to the WTC attack... ...My brother-in-law was our only person in NYC, and while close enough to see the WTC, he was far enough away to have been in no immediate danger, though he had a time getting out of the city and home that day. I checked into taking my 10,000 lb. GVWR Ford Dually and 12,000 lb. GVWR 16' Beavertail Flatbed up to NYC for vehicle and debris removal, but alas, we don't have the funding to support that operation, and would have required corporate sponsorship. So it probably can't happen. Sincerely, Bennett --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Eric Dittman [mailto:dittman@dittman.net] ! Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:18 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? ! ! ! > Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? ! ! The last email I had from him was just before 8:00AM on Tuesday. ! -- ! Eric Dittman ! dittman(a)dittman.net ! Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ !

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Need Electronic Soldering help....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Is there anyone in the CT area (I'm in New Haven) who is good at replacing the soldered chips? I have 3 (or is it 4?) DEC Multias, with the infamous Heat Death chip. I can pay/barter for the parts and labor... Replies should pobably be direct to me, off list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, the message below took over an hour. I sent it at 11:00, and now it's 12:26 when I got it back... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:06 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) ! Subject: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes ! (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get ! sent back out? ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! --- C & IS Support Specialist ! --- Yale University Press ! --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! --- (203) 432-0953 ! --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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Emulators (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > For example, the IBM 1620 emulator, written in Java, is > > very nice graphically; the 1620 had a great front panel. > > About 35 years ago, I was using a 1620. The two main programs we were > using were a PDQ FORTRAN compiler, and ... > > a 1401 EMULATOR! > > I wonder if the 1401 emulator that ran on the 1620 would run on the 1620 > emulator? > > Unfortunately, last year, one of our administrators hauled off all of our > file cabinets of punched cards, and I don't know where else to find a > copy. Is he a preservationist? Or was he just cleaning shop? -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Apples and oranges, Iggy. That's a totally different emulator world > > than the one I'm talking about. In the world I'm talking about, I > > don't think anyone creating emulators is under 40 years of age > > (well, Daniel Seagraves is under 40, I think). > > Why did you put this limit on 40 ? > ;-) > Most people I know working on emulations are just few years around the > 40 ... Precisely what I said. -dq

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VCF 5.0 Postponed

by vcf＠vintage.org

An Important Message About VCF 5.0: Due to the recent events that have affected all Americans this week, it has been decided to postpone the fifth annual Vintage Computer Festival until further notice. We regret this decision, but in light of the problems being faced by out of town travelers, not to mention the trauma that we have all experienced as a result of the terrible events in New York and Washington, D.C., we felt that this was the right decision to make. We regret any inconvenience this may cause to those who had made arrangements to attend the event this weekend. The VCF wishes to express its sorrow to everyone who has been touched by this tragedy. We encourage everyone to do what they can in the coming days to help those who are in need, including donating blood at your local Red Cross. Please be aware that the California Extreme event will still be taking place this Saturday and Sunday, September 15-16, at Parkside Hall in San Jose, California. Please continue to check the VCF website at http://www.vintage.org/ for updates on when VCF 5.0 will be re-scheduled. We hope and pray for peace to prevail in the comings weeks and months, and we hope you will do the same. Best regards, Sellam Ismail Producer Vintage Computer Festival Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Jerome Fine wrote: > I could probably use the TU58 manuals, however, I would > rather see them > sent to someone who will scan them and make them available to > everyone. I've already scanned the TU58 user manual and if it's not already on its way to DFWCUG it soon will be (for some suitable value of "soon"). > Since I have only RT-11/PDP-11 hardware stuff, what might help? What > about a set of out of print RT-11 DOCs? As far as I know, these are > allowed to be reproduced since they are no longer available? I know someone was trying to get Mentec to give permission for certain manuals to be made available. If this has already been done, then point me to something >from Mentec that says it's OK and your wish may be granted. > Can these be > scanned as well? They can certainly be scanned. Can they legally be made available? > Also, I hope to soon receive an 11/73 manual? Could this > also be scanned? Easily! In fact, as long as it's not available from COMPAQ, years ago DEC gave (almost) blanket permission for anything pre-1985(?) to be made available. > I realize that it is great to have our own copies of these > manuals, but I am > now hoping that they can all be scanned and thereby preserved > before that > is no longer possible. You do know about the DFWCUG scanning project? Pointers to them (and a bunch of other individuals doing the same sort of thing) can be found at http://www.decdocs.org . Antonio

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > But it has no facilities to load/save programs to/from disk. > > It will have when it's done. It's still a work-in-progress. Our plan is > to have console typewriter, paper tape reader/punch and card reader/punch > done graphically like the front panel. Dave- The one I've been laying with is from Richard Jowsey... are you working with him, or is yours a separate project? -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I diagree. > > We need both the emulation-simulation fans, AND the hardware fans. I keep reading my original post to see where it is that I suggest a split; I don't. But you're not alone in having mis-read my post. I've felt that discussions about emulators and simulators weren't quite welcome here. I want to see them included. [..snip..] > As for the computing experiuance being computing, I also disagree. Again, a misunderstanding... I consider the term "Classic Computing" to be more inclusive than "Classic Computers". The latter implies (to me) a hardware focus; the former is more inclusive, describing both hardware and software. > Building devices and interfacing them to the hardware has always been > a major attraction to computing, and this is nearly all the original > personal computers were able to do. Hell, I know a guy that did this with mainframes as well. I'm glad to have stimulated conversation; sorry so many are misreading my intentions. Regards, -dq

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OT: World Trade crash...

by marino13＠btopenworld.com

I have to say that I agree with the original part of this - I have been discussing this with my colleagues and I know for a FACT (and yeah its a lot easier to say this when you're not involved) that I would definately take the risk... the chances are you're gonna die anyway. If the plane was on the ground or part of a "hostage scenario" thats different but I am surprised not one person would have tried anything. But who knows... perhaps they did. Just my thoughts. > Unfortunately, I think you're mistaken here, Bill. The typical American of > today hasn't the courage to risk his life as an individual, even if it means > being slaughtered as part of a group. That same American hasn't the courage to > call the cops if he sees someone breaking into his neighbor's house or car, > because he fears being singled out as an honest individual, rather than part of > the corrupt masses. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: OT: World Trade crash... > > > > > > Mike Ford [mikeford(a)socal.rr.com] wrote: > > > > > Very sadly I suspect this type of attack to be > > > repeated soon. It was simply too easy and too > > > effective, for other organizations not to try > > > it again. > > > > I doubt that. As a matter of fact, I think that > > most airline hijacking will cease to be effective. > > I think that, after this, any able bodied person > > on a hijacked plane will resist with their life. > > I know that I would, rather than die as part of > > an instrument used to kill many more. > > > > >

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OT: World Trade crash...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

Mike Ford [mikeford(a)socal.rr.com] wrote: > Very sadly I suspect this type of attack to be > repeated soon. It was simply too easy and too > effective, for other organizations not to try > it again. I doubt that. As a matter of fact, I think that most airline hijacking will cease to be effective. I think that, after this, any able bodied person on a hijacked plane will resist with their life. I know that I would, rather than die as part of an instrument used to kill many more.

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Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts@verizon.net)?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OT: World Trade crash...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I take it you all heard about the two 737s (?) hitting the world trade buildings... one was possibly a hijacked airliner... each hit a seperate tower, I believe... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Isn't the SE an 030 Mac? The Plus is only a 68000. No, the SE was an 8mhz 68000 just like the plus. The SE was basically a newer plus (it had a built in HD or 2 800k floppies, ADB, an expansion slot, and a newer ROM). Later the SE was upgraded to having the SuperDrive (not the NEW superdrive that apple has recycled the name for, but rather the original 1.4mb drive that could read MFS, HFS, DOS, and ProDOS) There WAS an SE/30 that was a 16mhz (33mhz?) 68030... it was basically an SE, but with the faster processor and 8 simm slots rather than 4... I think THAT is the Mac you are thinking of. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> >> PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth >> poop. > >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 >keyboard. Thats one solution. The other is a real VT{100|125|330|340} or H19 since I do have them and prefer the feel of the keyboards and their respective layouts. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth > > poop. > > The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > keyboard. Also there is a shell script available that will turn an xterm vt100, I've got a copy on my ftp site if anyone wants to try it ftp://zane.brouhaha.com/pub just look for vt100.sh (I think it's in the VMS section). I use it all the time for telneting into my VMS systems. I've got to admit I like the LK461 idea, and just might have to give that a try. Zane

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> > Being a musician, this conjures up all sorts of ideas for using computer > > sounds to make music. I have a recording studio hung off my main > > non-classic box, so I can add this to my List of Unfinished Projects. Some > > useable sounds might be: > > > > (printers, of course) > > hard drive spinup & chatter > > Head crashes :-) I considered that but don't know of any way to consistently get heads to crash in such a controlled manner as to be useable musically (i.e., makes pretty much the same sound every time). Do you? (Is this subject OT if I'm using > 10 year old gear? And if I'm deliberately causing classic hard drive heads to destroy themselves, hmm . . . is it okay if I only use ST-225s??? ;>) Glen 0/0

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Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts@verizon.net)?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? The last email I had from him was just before 8:00AM on Tuesday. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well then ther are those like me... I use MyZ80 as a platform to test z80 and cp/m software at the application level and a real (pat pending ;)) Z80 system with real VT100/125/340 to run it in reality. It's not an Emulator is better or worse thing for me. I cant yet buy a z80 that runs faster than MyZ80 on a PIII/550. At the other extreme that said PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth poop. Allison

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