- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by bob＠jfcl.com

We have several (about six or so) full boxes of fanfold, tractor feed, printer paper, both 8.5 x 11 and 11 x 14 sizes, that are free to anybody who wants to pick them up in Milpitas. We have lots (a couple dozen at least - I'm too lazy to count them) "data binders" for 11 x 14 printouts. These are the nice, heavy covers that fit printouts on tractor feed paper and keep them clean and pristine. Also free, in Milpitas. We have have a printer stand for a 11 x 14 tractor feed printer, complete with a sound proof enclosure and fan. No printer, I'm afraid, but still free. Contact me if you want any or all of them. Bob Armstrong bob(a)jfcl.com

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Brown <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> wrote: > The one I heard about was called a 'micro 3000' and was described as > desktop sized...(I thought this was diffeent from the model 48 that was > also being described).... Oops, sorry about that! I was thinking about the series 48 that had been mentioned in this thread. Yes, a Micro 3000 is more "desktop sized", or at least the processor is. Peripherals like disc and tape drives are in separate boxes so it's easy to end up with a system comprising several small boxes (e.g. a Micro 3000, a 9144 cartridge tape, and a couple of 79[45][1-9] disc drives), and once you've got all that they can be stacked inside a desk-side cabinet that HP used to sell for the purpose. If you look at the cover of the September 1985 HP Journal you will see a 3000 series 37 in this sort of cabinet. Note there are also "Micro GX", "Micro RX", and "Micro LX" models that are usually mounted in desk-side tower cabinets that have room for a 9144-like cartridge tape drive in the top and two disc drives in the base, and also keep the ATP/M mux panels (serial connectors) inside the cabinet. They weigh about 70 pounds and can be moved by a single person reasonably easily. -Frank McConnell

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #714

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #714 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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scosug-talk: funny thread from other list

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! rm -rf /bin/laden = force the recursive removal of bin laden. > ! This would include himself, as well as all of his subordinates There is actually already in production a line of t-shirts, sweatshirts, and a coffee mug with this on it. > ! chmod a+x /bin/laden = allow anyone the permission to execute > ! bin laden heh... hadn't seen this one. -dq

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Sync on Green Monitors and Others

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 17, 10:05, Dan Wright wrote: > Info from LSI said: > > > > my multisync Sony's have worked with just about every type system > > I have ever tried them on except my SGI Indy's, and that might be > > because the SGI's 13W3 pin-out might not be compatible with the > > 13W3 to HD15 adapter I use with the Sun's? It's been very > > That's correct, the SGIs actually so SOG over the 13W3 connector. I don't > know what the pinout is, but I DO know that the 13W3 to HD15 adapters sold for > Suns don't work with the SGIs. Some SGIs do put out a separate sync signal; some Suns do as well. However, SGIs tend to provide separate hsync and vsync while Suns mostly do composite sync. Moreover, they use different pins for the sync and monitor type sense. I'm sure I posted the two pinouts to the list a while ago. But I've found almost all my multisync Sonys work with mu Indys and Indigos, providing I have the relevant 13W3-3xBNC or whatever cable. I think the only exception I've found was a Sun-badged Sony that wanted composite sync. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Brown <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> wrote: > What happened regarding the desktop hp3000 that was being discussed? "desk-sized", not "desktop". It looks sort of like one and takes up about that much floor space, which is handy to know when one is figuring out how to lay out one's computer room. Speaking from personal experience, you may have to un-bolt the top (the woodgrain bit) to get a /44, /48, or /58 to fit around corners and through doors. -Frank McConnell

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FW: scosug-talk: funny thread from other list

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! Subject: Re: unix ! From: "Brad Brown" <brad.brown(a)openwave.com> ! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:48:55 -0700 ! X-Message-Number: 10 ! ! rm -rf /bin/laden = force the recursive removal of bin laden. ! This would include himself, as well as all of his subordinates ! ! chmod a+x /bin/laden = allow anyone the permission to execute ! bin laden --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >Modified Modular Jack. It's DEC connector, a bit like a ! >telephone plug ! >with the locking clip offset from the middle... ! ! Can someone get me a pinout of that? I suppose it shouldn't be too ! hard to change out for a normal jack. Pins: 1 - DSR 2 - RX+ 3 - RX- 4 - TX- 5 - TX+ 6 - DTR As seen here... http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#WIRES1 --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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IBM PowerStation 530

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Roger Merchberger replied to Blair Miller... >>now, so I've never seen the monitor hook-up either... it's mini-coax and >>looks like the diagram below: >> >>(o)(o)(o) >> >>I'm assuming that's RGB... > >Yep... As the ascii graphic (while pretty) is not completely informative, >if it's three mini-coax in IIRC a DB shell, it could be the same cable as >is used on some DEC machines, notably some of the older RISC boxen & the >DEC 3000/300 (which I have)... A cable meeting a similar description (dunno if it's identical?) to go from my VAX 4000 VLC to its VRC-16HA monitor carries the label: BC29G-09. When I google-searched for it, I found it available for prices ranging from around $15 to around $120 (!) on the net. This was several months ago. - Mark

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Recall that Jonathan Engdahl recently announced his development of MSCP device drivers for 2.9 BSD. That work was made possible by the availability of a reliable simulation environment. For this reason alone, simulators are indispensible to the real-hardware camp, as tools for supporting the maintenance and development of operating systems. Furthermore, I think simulators can play a big role in encouraging the long-term collection, retention and dissemination of legacy software to run on either real or emulated hardware. Norm Aleks and I just acquired an IBM 1130, and as far as I can see, there is NO software archived out there anywhere. It's very discouraging. You can bet that we're going to post whatever we can get our hands on, along with the simh-based simulator I'm 75% done with, to hopefully reawaken interest in the 1130. That's my .4 bits worth. Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel / Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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Sync on Green Monitors and Others

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello Blair, It seems from your description of your video connector that it may in fact be the 3W3 video connector as used on some DEC systems. One list member indicated ... > to 3 BNCs to hook up to a decent monitor that does sync on green If you try to use a fixed frequency monitor, you must use one that is a sync on green model monitor and that syncs at the correct horizontal and vertical frequencies. If you can determine which model monitor originally went to that system, you might be able to research a DEC or HP model that syncs at the same frequencies at ... http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/dec/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/hp/ > Find yerself a DEChead or two, and they may have a cable to fit... While I don't have any spares myself, I recently bought a cable >from Barry's Supply. He has one currently available at ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275561813 > some older multisync Mac monitors with the 3-BNC input might work ^^^^^^^^^....... NOT .......... ^^^^^ Sony made monitors for DEC, HP, IBM, SGI, Sun, RasterOps, Radius, and possibly others. If a monitor has only 3-BNC inputs, it is most probably a sync on green fixed frequency model. If it has 4-BNC inputs, it is most probably a composite sync model ( the only exception I know of to that is a NEC model which also has a HD15 connector in addition to the 4-BNC's ). Any other monitor I have ever seen, other than those NEC models, that is a multisync had 5-BNC inputs. Note however that some 5-BNC input models are fixed frequency ( GDM-1950 and GDM-1952 come to mind ). Generally I have found that the Sony models that have 5-BNC inputs and rotary controls are the fixed frequency type. The models that have 5-BNC inputs and have push button controls ( digital ) have been multisyncs ( GDM-1971 and 2075RO come to mind ). http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/radius/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/radius/0322precisioncolor20.html http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/rasterops/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/rasterops/2075ro20colorgraphicsdisplay… Those monitors that are considered multisyncs should be able to sync up on a horizontal scan frequency as low as, or slightly lower than, DOS's 31.5 kHz. The really nice thing about the 5-BNC Sony models, both fixed frequency and multisyncs, is that they auto-sense, and auto-switch sync types. So even though the monitor has 5 BNC inputs, you can still hook up to just 3 of them if your graphics outputs a sync on green signal, or 4 of them if your graphics outputs a composite ( H and V on the same line, but a separate line than R, G, or B ) sync signal. And of course if your graphics outputs a separate sync signal ( H, V, R, G, and B all on separate lines ) you would connect to all 5-BNC inputs. I use my Sony multisyncs to hook up to and test my DEC Alpha's (SOG), VAXstation 4000/60's (SOG), HP PA-RISC (SOG), Sun's (CS), Macintosh's (CS), and of course, PC's (SS). In fact, my multisync Sony's have worked with just about every type system I have ever tried them on except my SGI Indy's, and that might be because the SGI's 13W3 pin-out might not be compatible with the 13W3 to HD15 adapter I use with the Sun's? It's been very convenient, space wise, to use one monitor to test all those type systems, rather than have to store a different monitor for each one. Bennett Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:40:00 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 Emanual - Hrm... I guess if I'd have known from the beginning that the computer would be a '7013 model 530' I'd have been a lot better off. I didn't find the exact manual, but rather one for the '500' series, and though it was published in 1996 (this computer is from 1990 or so) most of the physical stuff still seems to apply. Thanks for the heads up... - Blair > Try www.ibm.com ;-) > Anyway, check the real product number of this machine. Should be > something like "7013 model 530" (?) Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:45:29 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 > Yup, it's RGB, sync on green. You need to get a cable to break that out > to 3 BNCs to hook it up to a decent monitor that does sync on green... Unfortunately, the monitor that may have been hooked up to the machine was nowhere to be found... and this being my first classic computer, I don't have such a thing lying around either. :o( I read something about hooking a serial terminal up to the machine directly... Forgive me for dumb questions, but I'm assuming a serial terminal is one of those boxes that I keep seeing that has hookups for mice, keyboards, SVGA monitors, and the like? Also called a 'Terminal Station' I believe... Will this work? I don't even know if I'm asking the right question here, and I could be horribly, stupidly, wrong. :o) This thing comes from 'way back in the day' for me, before I was even interested in computers, so I don't know a whole heck of a lot right now. More research I guess... Thanks again. Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:49:01 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 > Without looking at your email address, it took me a moment to figure out > where you were... I'm up in Sault Ste. Marie, MI right on the Canadian I've been there once or twice... I believe I also have relatives living there, though that could just be my imagination. > Find yerself a DEChead or two, and they may have a cable to fit... and some > older multisync Mac monitors with the 3-BNC input might work with it as > well... Where would I find something like this... I've no problems driving around Michigan (I think of driving as a way to calm down, and I end up doing it a lot, especially when dealing with foreign territory in the world of computers) to get my hands on one, but I'm not sure where to look. I suppose another trip to property disposition is in order. :o) Thanks for the tips. Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:50:36 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 > If you decide not to keep the 530 let me know Will do. You close to Ann Arbor? Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:53:16 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 > You should be able to get it to use a serial console. Having the key to > get it into service mode is extra helpful. Fortunately, I've got the key. Unfortunately, I'm a newbie to ALL of this, and I'm not sure what a serial console is... can you elaborate? > Making sure the RAM hasn't been removed is important. The amount would > matter if you were going to try to move to recent versions of AIX. I doubt it has. It was just sitting there, and it doesn't appear that anyone has opened it in a LONG LONG time. As for AIX, I'll figure that out when I can actually use the system. I also read something very brief that this machine would run LinuxPPC or YellowDog (forget which). Any idea if that's true? Thanks for your help. Blair

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I asked this, just in case there was a problem somewhere. Every other mailing list I'm on does not have a delay this bad. I'm not worried about a delay, but with it being 1.5 hours, it seems like there's a problem somewhere. We're using Exchange here at work, so that might be it. If anyone has any hints of stuff for me to check out here at this end, let me knwo, off-list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:22 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: RE: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: ! >Rich --- ! > Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take ! >about an hour and a half... ! ! [snip] ! ! I've not seen lags anywhere near that -- mebbe 5-10 minutes ! at most. My ! Eudora checks mail every 4 minutes, and it's usually 2 checks ! & it's there. ! ! Methinks it might be something on your end... Have you called ! your ISP? ! ! I'll time this one and see what I end up with... ! ! HTH, ! "Merch" ! -- ! Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers ! Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. ! ! If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead ! disarmament should *not* be your first career choice. !

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IBM Keys was: IBM PowerStation 530

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I'm missing a key for one of my AS400's Does anyone know about >getting keys made or picking the lock? I don't know what key is on the AS400, if it is a round key, just call a locksmith, if it is a regular straight key, it may be like the ones on the PS/2's I have, which are single tumblers, and can be picked with a paperclip in about 10 seconds (take a small paper clip, straighten it, and then bend into a U... insert points first into the lock, and jiggle while turning it, you should be able to hit the right spot in a few soconds). The more tumblers, the harder it is to pick, but generally, anything 3 and under can be done with a paper clip, over that, you might want to call a locksmith or get a lock pick kit. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #712

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #712 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I have a contact who needs to get rid of a VAX 11/750 and an 11/730 real soon and they are in Sommerset County, New Jersey. A picker-upper would be preferred. There is also an HP 3000/48. Let me know who wants them and can pick up. If there is contention, I think one should try sharing, so let me know which one you really really badly want if you have to choose. Thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #715

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #715 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #713

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #713 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get sent back out? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I got a great bunch of artifacts recently from an ex-Digit (DEC Employee) who was finally not going to use his VAX for anything else any more. These included: A set a PAKs that rivals the Hobbyist offering and exceeds it in that it has a PL/I and APL PAK. Several RRD40 caddys and a couple of the SCSI version of the RRD40 (I'm on the look out for the non-SCSI version, will trade one for one!) A VAXServer 3100/M48 (yet another one I didn't have yet.) with all the option cards (multi-serial, DMF32, etc) A bunch of manuals, including the VT103 users guide and a bunch of VAX 11/730 manuals (including the CPU technical manual!) An Ultrix-32 Condist for VAX (v3.0) Three VMS Condists (5.2, 6.0, and 6.1) Cables for various things. Some RTL replacement parts for the PDP-5 !!!! Bits of ephemera from the DEC hey day (VAX brochures, DECUS disks, etc) Some more docs Available for trade: TU58 Technical Manual TU58 User's Guide RL02 User's Guide RL01/RL02 manual Some DECConnect stuff and a crimping tool with about 20 MMJ "heads" Lots of little detail parts that are so hard to come by when you need them. --Chuck

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scanned DEC manuals

by lipo.ml＠gmx.at

Hi, recently somebody (Chuck?) posted an URL for scanned DEC manuals <http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm>. Today I've seen that a lot of manuals are no more available. Does anybody know something about this or about other sites where the manuals are still available? Regards, Lipo -- Roland E. Lipovits Vienna, Austria

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Practical Electronics and D. Bollen

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 16, 13:07, Doug Coward wrote: > Does anyone have a near complete collection of > Everyday Practical Electronics (EPE) Magazine? Maybe > the magazine has an author's index. Can anyone think > of the name another similar magaazine that fits this > description? That used to be two separate magazines, "Practical Electronics" which was been around for, well, forever (mid '60s); and "Everyday Electronics" which was more recent (mid '70s, aimed at beginners). EPE is the result of a merger. I bet some of the current staff have been around long enough to know what you're looking for. Try http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/ -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Need IBM PC Server 320 bay filler plates (6)

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

In search of 6 of the vented original 5.25" half height filler plates for my new Server 320 - just mainly for looks. I have all the bays full of hard drives so that's why I need to fill all 6 bays. I understand that Server 325 hot swap trays fit the 320 so maybe the 325 filler plates work as well. Will pay up to $1 each for them (plus mailing of course) and would love it if one person has all of t hem but can get one or two from each person until I get what I need. OR I have some excess SCSI controllers and memory cards (no ram) for microchannel 286 and 386 level machines I can trade if possible, as well as various ESDI hard drives from PS/2 55SX and 70 machines.Drop me a note direct if you have these plates to spare. I'm in the middle of the US (KY) so postage isn't much from any part of the US or Canada.

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DEC SBB boxes, what drive?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The later SBBs used SCA drives, which makes things much easier. > > Wouldn't that be on the wide drives for BA356's though? Or did they use > them for Narrow SBB's? That would be the wide drives for BA356's. Do they still make the narrow SBBs? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ For the Afghanistan weather forecast, see http://www.dittman.net/weather.html

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DEC SBB boxes, what drive?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The problem is, which drive, depends on which ribbon is in the SBB. > > Sigh, I was afraid of that. The one in at least one of them is 17-03503-01. The later SBBs used SCA drives, which makes things much easier. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ For the Afghanistan weather forecast, see http://www.dittman.net/weather.html

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Next Megapixel display

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I'm gradually getting my collection esconced in my new home in the boonies of central Manitoba. In trying to set up my beloved Next Color slab I'm dismayed that the 17" Megapixel isn't functioning. Before, the monitor was a bit flakey and would go to sleep on me occasionally. I've tried to find specs but the only useful one I've found is in the Peanuts FAQ archive. Unfortunately it gives no descriptions of the external controls. On the lower left side of the display is a button with a screen and vertical line symbol which doesn't appear to be working. What is it's function ? I had imagined it was a screen blanker. Also since I get static discharge on the screen when I depress the on-off in either position what is the ON position of the switch. In to the cabinet or protruding from the face. I've forgotten. I've been avoiding opening up since there's so many other pressing things to be done and you can't see thru the air-vents to see any life. Thanks for any help. Lawrence appear to be working. Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

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DEC SBB boxes, what drive?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello Everyone, I've got some DEC SBB (Storage Works disk cartridges) boxes that the previous owner "liberated" the SCSI drives from. I thought I might put some drives that I have in them however they are clearly set up so that one "backplane" was used for each particular drive. So to use these I'd need to replace their innards with 4.3GB drives. I would like to know which 4.3 gb SE SCSI drive DEC/Compaq/HP :-) used in these so that when I find one or two I can replace them. Conversely, if someone needs/wants an empty SBB box let me know. --Chuck

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Nec Multisync II monitor

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:14 PM, Mike Ford [SMTP:mikeford@socal.rr.com] wrote: > >>I have a pretty rough looking Nec Multisync II monitor in my car, > >>hope it > >>works, but more so hope its one of the "good" monitors to have the > >>list has > >>talked about in the past, is it? > > > >It certainly is. It's a multisync which will sync down to 15KHz (same > >as TV > >modes and "RGB" monitors) analogue as well as digital. > >Watch out for its big brother, the 3D. > > Thats what one of my other friends said, NEC II good, 3D better. I > haven't > even tested this one for working yet, and it is ROUGH from poor > handling > (ie gash in the case side). Still if it works I'll keep it for bench > use, > or wait til I find a dead one in a nicer case. > I'm sorry to say I sent two dozen 3D to a scrap company six months ago.. Jim

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by dittman＠dittman.net

> It's not an Emulator is better or worse thing for me. I cant yet buy a > z80 > that runs faster than MyZ80 on a PIII/550. At the other extreme that > said > PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth > poop. The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 keyboard. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! ...and two RJ-style(6 pins, and an offset clip) COM ! ports.... Those would be DEC MMJ ports... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Zap-a-pal

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have a zap-a-pal PAL programmer card, but just the bare card, no programming pods or docs, not sure if I found software or not. Does anyone know anything about this? If someone knows the pod pinouts I assume I could rig one up myself. Gordon Zaft zaft(a)azstarnet.com

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> > >My AmproLB doesn't have the SCSI daughterboard so I prefer an emulator. Mine is the later LB+ that has the SCSI chip {5380} on board. My box is one I got at DEC that is exactly the same size as a BA11-VA with same openings but from a proto so it's light grey {DEC 68} and aluminum and compact. It has: Fujitsu 45mb 3.5" SCSI Two 3.5" floppies (720/781kb) I use it with VT240 or 330. Allison

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VAX 7800 CPU and Memory Modules

by dittman＠dittman.net

> That must be why I repeatedly get out bid by the same guys over and over > again. Sometimes I don' even bother because I know they'll outbid me. Yes, I know of at least three bidders that are businesses. I also know that they can always outbid me, and at least two of them use some kind of automated sniping tool. > While bidding on a DSSI drive, I actually won the auction, then the > seller "elobby" went awol.... he's no longer registered, and I had > already paid him. It's odd, he has nothing but glowing feedback. It's > not due to the WTC either, it was before that. I bought a DSSI drive from elobby, and it did arrive. I see their last feedback entry was on Sep. 7, and you are right, elobby is now unregistered. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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VAX 7800 CPU and Memory Modules

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hi Gang, With our contacts to 1200 companies, in 100 countries, on 6 continents, my company is going to try to source these parts. It's doubtful they would buy directly from private individuals in single quantities, but we will. If any of you have CPU and Memory modules for VAX 7800's that you would like to sell, email back the module numbers and your asking prices immediately. Sincerely, Bennett

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I like to and MyZ80 allows it to be more portable than my S100 crate or > the Kaypro. > Then again, my AmproLB system with 45mb disk is far smaller than most > PCs. My AmproLB doesn't have the SCSI daughterboard so I prefer an emulator. I used to have the LB stuck in a full-size tower with my Wintel system along with a couple of 5.25" floppies. The primary serial port went back to one of the Wintel system's serial ports and the light and reset button went on another 5.25" cover plate. Unfortunately an emulator was more convenient. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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L@@K and L@UGH!

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Well if its a KA694 then that wouldn't be a horrible price. I don't > have my > >KA670 out of the machine so that I could check against that one. It > > >definitely doesn't look like the KA692. > > The REX520 screams Rigel to me: KA670. > I don't have one handy to visually > inspect though. > > Look at the AlphaServer 2100 memory auction too: same price! The specs (28ns) are definitely KA670, plus it looks like the KA670 I sold just this past week. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

You, sir, are a freak. ;) -Dave On September 15, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Well, Okay, which one of you is the Queen? :-) > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > > Brian Hechinger wrote: > > > in most cases i speak for dave and myself. we're a collective. :) -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Solomon Splitting the list... (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> > I've never seen SPDT dipswitches in computers. I have some. Also I have some S100 boards that used them for address selection. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, We all need a topic to take our minds of the WTC attack. Here's one I've been meaning to bring up, surely it will generate a lot of discussion. In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective, it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be separated from the experiencing of the computer. My reading of this mailinglist's charter leads me to conclude that the group is here for the benefit of the Tonys (BTW, Tony, I'm *not* picking on you) in the world, those for whom the hardware *is* the end-all be-all of the Classic _Computer_ experience. I confess I don't like that- the Classic Computers for which I lust the most will forever remain inaccessible (and few examples will even continue to exist). However, as both an RJE operator and as a mainframe user, I found the experience to be more about the _computing_ and less about the _computer_. Exceptions included (back in the 70s) of building an IMSAI, a SOL, hacking a KIM-1, etc. But after we got the hardware running, the fun part was in creating the _computing environment_. So, I think the formal name and the charter of this group should change to reflect an interest in Class Computing. The only real change would be that discussions about the eumlators and simulators would no longer be OT unless they drift into details of programming the emu/simulators themselves. Additionally, more detailed discussions of the Classic Operating Systems would be similarly on-topic. I'm not sure how many of you have ever thought about this; but now that I've broached the subject, whaddy'all think? Regards, -doug quebbeman

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > For a monitor, I followed Lancaster's instructions on how to take > > an old B&W TV set and pull the unneeded circuitry (except for the > > tubes; they stayed in, heaters wired in series). The mods all helped > > In the UK, most series-string valve TV sets had a hot chassis (directly > connected to one side of the mains). Actually, a number of transistorised > sets did as well. [..snip..] > Did US TVs have proper isolating mains transformers, even though they had > series-string heaters? No; I bought an isolation transformer, a stand-alone unit. > > And I think I even got to like the smell of solder.. especially > > the Ersin Multicore stuff made in the U.K... why, there's some > > Nice, isn't it :-) Yup! > > yes, I've used all kinds of techniques to repair such damage. > > As have I. It gets more fun when it's an SMD-built board, with tracks > very close together :-) Haven't ever had to *fix* a multilayer board, but did hack on one (early Mac). > > > > But you can't damage software... which is one of the things that > > Hmmm... If you don't have backups you can :-) Oh, I got the backup religion long, long ago... > Actually, one thing I tend to worry about it misconfiguring a piece of > software and not being able to go back to the original configuration that > worked at least partially. Doing the same with hardware never bothers me. On the tricky stuff, I try to save the configurations, either in files, or on paper. > I gurss it comes down to experience. I know enough about hardware to see > what I've done and put it right. The same is not true of software... I've also done some embedded systems hardware development. But it tended to be taking the evaluation design from the databooks and massaging it into a working design, so I can't take too much credit. > > resisters, capacitors, transistors, and 7400-series chips. It > > How good will that emulation be? If I accidentally connect a pin on the > TTL chip to the -15V rail, what happens? Does the chip fail in the same > way that a real one does? Are you going to be able to emulate every > possible circuit (hint : No CAD system's simulator has ever maanged to > 'pass' my tests (namely a dozen or so nasty circuits). Would you settle for a graphic rendering of the magic smoke escaping? ;-) > > could also have an emulated soldering iron & solder. Ever wish > > I suppose you're going to add a little heater element and some flux so as > to give the right smells (a bit like those smoke generators the model > railway crowd use). And a device that burns my fingers from time to time. That might have to wait for the development of tactile interfaces, but rest assured, that's well underway... > I suppose next you'll be suggesting the floor of the emulated machine > room does not magically transport small components dropped on it into > another room.... So, your shop has funky space-time problems, too? ;-) -dq

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On the real machine you can solder up a few TTL chips, wire them to the > bus connector and add another peripheral. You can't easilly do that on an > emulator. Or you can solder wires onto the chips on the CPU board of a > mini, clip a logic analyser to them, and watch the data flow through the > ALU and registers. > > Yes, you can do _similar_ things with emulators, but not quite the same. > No flames intended, but I'll stick to the real machines ;-) BTW, if it wasn't implicit (it is to me), I wouldn't have much of a need for an emulator for a machine that's readily available, or if rare, easy on the pocketbook to keep running (parts, electricity, etc). We can't all be Megan Gentry, Eric Smith, or Daniel Seagraves (owners of DEC-10&20s who come immediately to mind)... Now, Jim Battle's doing a SOL emulator. Great idea, I might want to play with a SOL at work. But my SOL was the machine I did exactly the kinds of things you describe. Unlike many, I didn't buy even the complete SOL kit. I bought only the motherboard and a folder of schematics and instructions for component assembly. By December 1976, all it could do was display a test pattern consisting of essentially a dump of the character generator ROM. As time went by, I continued buying components. It was getting close to being finished, but I needed a keyboard. I bought one surplus, taken from a TI Silent 700. However, the strobe was inverted and either too long or too short (can't recall). So I fingered through Don Lancaster's TTL Cookbook until I came across the 74121, which I hadn't used yet. I used it to change the strobe width, and one gate in a NAND wired as an inverter to flip the logic direction. Next, I needed some kind of key-repeat. Like many early terminals, there was no auto-repeat, but instead, the keyboard included a REPEAT key. A couple of 555s and some more gates from the NAND, and I was almost done. I ended up adding a lightpen interface to the design, then built it up permanently using a Rat Shack proto board. Stuck that inside a generic keyboard enclosure along with the TI keyboard, and I could now talk to my SOL. For a monitor, I followed Lancaster's instructions on how to take an old B&W TV set and pull the unneeded circuitry (except for the tubes; they stayed in, heaters wired in series). The mods all helped boost the bandwidth of the monitor a bit. The image quality ended up being quite good, and I sold it to another guy who'd bought a complete SOL kit sans monitor (I'd bought an actual monitor by this time). I enjoyed every minute of the 18 months it took me to make that forty-dollar naked PC board into a usable computer. Or termninal, actually... its raison d'etre was to hook up to my beloved and much missed CDC 6600 & DEC-10! And I think I even got to like the smell of solder.. especially the Ersin Multicore stuff made in the U.K... why, there's some now, and no iron in sight... But as much as I enjoyed fooling with hardware, the software had an even stronger draw. Just as you can only erase a piece of paper so many times before it disintegrates, you can only re- solder a PC board so many times before you've fried it. And yes, I've used all kinds of techniques to repair such damage. But you can't damage software... which is one of the things that I find attractive about it. Emulators represent the ultimate convergence of hardware and software... Hey, I just had an idea... how about an emulator that goes all the way down to the component level? One which actually emulates resisters, capacitors, transistors, and 7400-series chips. It could also have an emulated soldering iron & solder. Ever wish you had three hands for a difficult assembly? No problem in this proposed emulator! We'll just add an emulated hand... or two... or... ;-) -dq

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Q. Who remembers the "see" editor for the ibm pc?

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

I just realized that every now and then I still use the first editor that I learned for the ibm pc, whenever I'm too lazy or don't need the power of vi (and the file that I want to edit is less than 64K in size). It is called see.exe and it is 32768 bytes long. The version string reads SEE: Screen Editor V2.0: (c) 1982,83,84 Michael Ouye The file date is 3-16-84. For its size, it is actually pretty useful and you can even record and replay macros. It is one of the first programs that I copy to any pc-compatible even if it (the pc) has been winblowsized. Is anybody acquainted with this program? carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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VAXEN

by donm＠cts.com

Looks as though there is a growing demand for them. - don -------- Path: nntp.cts.com!galanthis.cts.com!newspeer.cts.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA123E5.CCB1F35C(a)iu.net> From: Bob C <bc(a)iu.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: VAX 7800 Systems or CPUs needed ASAP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:28:22 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-JMoUAGiispUQRU0wjhKYuMTuQMXLo3hljdoJWqTau+DeJJ1pFvbWSWDRk+pkOKwIVY/GNjelq2JqzY3!5//51v4yYd2SKBszu/VredTz1sjnRL367Ttr614cxdfTn0ewLiOGSGhQ9wM= X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:28:22 GMT Xref: nntp.cts.com comp.os.vms:104521 One of our customers lost a lot of VAXes in the WTC attack. If you have any excess VAX 7800 let me know and I'll connect you with the right resources. Thanks Bob Comarow -- end of forwarded message --

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L@@K and L@UGH!

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Chuck McManis wrote: >Well if its a KA694 then that wouldn't be a horrible price. I don't have my >KA670 out of the machine so that I could check against that one. It >definitely doesn't look like the KA692. The REX520 screams Rigel to me: KA670. I don't have one handy to visually inspect though. Look at the AlphaServer 2100 memory auction too: same price! Antonio

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 14, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Here are the "winners" according to my notes: > > VAX 11/730 - John Allain > VAX 11/750 - Sridhar, Vance, Master of all that Sucks, Absurdly Obtuse > HP 3000 - Lee or Bob Uhhhh...Crap, I thought those VAXen were ours, Brian...whaddup wit dat? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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RT11 basic commands

by mirko.pikalo＠guest.arnes.si

Please, somebody helps me with RT11 basic commands. Where I can find them on the net? Mirko

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ENOUGH ALREADY

by west＠tseinc.com

I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected. HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose. What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here. Regards, Jay West

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L@@K and L@UGH!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, see this http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1274886271 he's trying to sell a VAX 4000 CPU for $999.0 and no, it's not a typo, BuyItNow says $2000 something. cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Free: Sony CPD-1320 VGA monitor

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This is one monitor I can no longer justify owning. It is a nice trinitron VGA monitor with few hours on it, however it is a fixed frequency 31.25Khz/60Hz monitor. It makes an excellent "spare" monitor for a laptop with a damaged screen or a rack mounted system, etc, etc. At 13" it doesn't take up too much space and its easily lifted by one person. Its in Sunnyvale, CA. If you're willing to pay the packing and shipping (I do not have the original packing material so I would have to take it to be packed) I can mail it to you. Fortunately, it looks like tomorrow I'm going to finally get my mailings done for those of you who are patiently waiting. --Chuck

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Qualstar 1260 9-track tape drive manual anyone?

by djenner＠earthlink.net

Perchance does anyone have an operations and/or maintenance manual for the Qualstar Model 1260 9-track tape drive? This was a popular drive in the late '80s and early '90s, especially for use with PCs. It's very compact, works in vertical or horizontal attitude, and is basically reel-to-reel without any tensioning mechanism. It was sold by Qualstar and in systems by other vendors such as Overland Data and Chi Corporation. Thanks. -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the > > emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His > > True. But let me say a couple of things here... Ok... > > reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective, > > it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be > > separated from the experiencing of the computer. > > That much is also true. As I've said a few times before, I am an > electronics hacker primarily. My interest in computers is to consider > them as (fairly) complex electronic circuits to be investigated, hacked, > modified, repaired, etc. This is (I know) somewhat unconventional, but.... No so unconventional... I started with hardware (hacking the family TV, stereo, and phones)... > Since you can't (usefully) take a soldering iron to an emulator, it > explains why I am not interested in them. Isn't rosin (ersin) carcinogenic? Just kidding! > > I confess I don't like that- the Classic Computers for which I > > lust the most will forever remain inaccessible (and few examples > > You can probably gather from the above that I don't like it either! Sure, > _I_ am interested in the hardware, but this list would be very boring if > all memeber were like me. I feel that this list should cover other > aspects of classic _computing_. Yes, keep the hardware repair and > preservation (the bits I am interested in), but also include stuff on > emulators, programming techniques for the older machines, software > preservation, and everything else related to _computing_ 10 years or more > ago. Again, I didn't want you to feel picked-upon. However, for each of us who posts, I'd bet there are ten who don't. Of those of us who do post, each of us appears to represent yet a different facet of this interest area. You post a lot, and I believe, whether you realize it or not, that you represent a viewpoint held by many subscribers. In siezing upon your words, I was really trying to focus on one particular viewpoint, in order to place it in comparison and contrast with a different viewpoint. > > So, I think the formal name and the charter of this group should > > change to reflect an interest in Class Computing. The only real > > I am assumeing that's a typo for 'Classic Computing'. In which case you > have my vote... @*#$^@*#& Where's that damned DWIM keyboard when I need it??? ;-) > > change would be that discussions about the eumlators and simulators > > would no longer be OT unless they drift into details of programming > > the emu/simulators themselves. Additionally, more detailed discussions > > Why the last exclusion? I've never heard of a discussion on how to > diagnose hardware faults using modern test equipment being branded as > off-topic. Nor using modern parts to repair old machines. Nor using > modern machines as an aid to restoring/preserving old hardware. Why > should writing emulators be any different. It can quickly degenerate into "this version of GCC does <x> but doesn't do <yz>"... most of the sims are relying on GCC for portability. Or, do we build it as one huge monolithic source, or modularize the source? Separate execution modules running as native processes, or one big carefully-coded "superloop" that polls everything? For that level of discussion, it may prove beneficial to have a mailinglist dedicated to emulator/simulator theory. But if there is insufficient interest to mandate a separate list, ok, this is as fine a place as any for the discussions. > I don't particularly want to see complete listings for emulators (many > megabytes of C source) posted here, but certainly techniques for writing > them could be classed as on-topic, I think. Agreed... -dq

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