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Available: DG Eclipse S/140 Programmer's Reference

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

In my latest box of DEC docs came a "Programmer's Reference Series" manual for an Eclipse S/140, circa 1981 or so. useful to anyone? bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Xenix ?

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

SCO had their own flavor of Unix IIRC. At 04:02 PM 11/11/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > > Remember, Xenix was originally a Microsoft product, they then sold it off > > to SCO (for a % ownership in SCO) > > > >I had thought SCO was a spin-off of Microsoft... > >What were they known for prior to XENIX? > >-dq

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Xenix ?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Remember, Xenix was originally a Microsoft product, they then sold it off > to SCO (for a % ownership in SCO) > I had thought SCO was a spin-off of Microsoft... What were they known for prior to XENIX? -dq

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Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I never had problems as you describe, nor have I ever heard of anyone >needing to adjust the alignment of an Apple disk drive. > >As far as I know, there is no procedure in the Disk ][ manual for aligning >a drive, and as far as I know, there is no reason for needing one. I don't know if it was alignment (I think it was speed), but I had a program that you would run, and you would adjust the drive via a small pot IIRC until the program said it was correct (again, I think it was speed). I DO know that as my Drive ][ drives got older, I found I had to do this operation more and more to keep them functioning (when it needed adjustment, it would just fail to read a disk). I also used the Drive ][ primairly stacked next to my Apple ][+, with the monitor on top, or on a shelf just above (when I moved to a color TV with line in as a monitor, as it was just too heavy to safely place on top of the Apple). I never had problems (other than speed issues, or once a game wrote high scores to the disk despite being write protected). My company had a number of Apple II+'s with drive II's stacked on the Apple with the monitor on top of the drives, and non ever had a problem. I used an Apple IIe with a dual drive box that sat on top of the Apple, and the monitor (IIRC, greenscreen Apple branded) sat on top of the drives. Never had a problem with that setup. (and the previous owner only ever used it that way for years, and had no problems). And I am probably a good test of real world abuse to the Apple Drive ][ drives, as I was just a wee child, and I didn't follow any rules that I probably should have. (I always put the disk in the drive, closed it, and turned on the computer... I would pull disks out, and replace them while the drive was reading or writing, I would power off the computer or reset it during read/write, I didn't use dust sleaves, I touched the disk media directly, wrote with ball point pens on the disk labels AFTER putting them on the disk, I used cheap no name brand bulk disks of any kind, and used a hole punch to make them double sided... and at one point, even stapled a peice of paper to a disk... and that staple is the ONLY time I can think of that I screwed up a disk... two holes and a long dent will do that. So I would have to say, the Apple II disk system was pretty freakin' stable and reliable to put up with all my abuse) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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food

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 8, Roger Merchberger wrote: > At the risk of sounding like Homer Simpson... Oooohh... Nutella... > I've had it once, and that is some *fantastic* stuff... > > *Still* trying to get my uncle to send me some from Deutschland. I ask only > rarely (because I forget to "pester" him) and he forgets to bring some back > when he comes (he usually comes back to the states once or twice a > year...). :-( > > Find a way to get me a jar or two, and I'll forgive that "indigenous" remark... Huh? Where do you live, Roger? I just (like two days ago) moved to Florida, but I used to buy it in the Giant supermarket back in Maryland. It never seemed difficult to find. I will look around down here the next time I go to the supermarket. If I can find it here I'd be happy to ship you some. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Thanks Joe..

by techno＠dsuper.net

Hi Joe... Thanks for your message in classiccmp. You have already helped me more than you can know, with that web page of yours. What a great resource to find after I typed in "MDS 225" into a search engine and then found your site. You see I've had this MDS 225 that a friend found in a basement of a house he bought and knowing I was into computers offered it to me. I thought I knew quite a bit about computers until I saw this thing. What was it! I had to know. Thanks for your help and take care. Doug Taylor (Techno) Sysop of the "Dead On Arrival BBS" Telnet://doabbs.dynip.com http://www-mtl.look.ca/~techno techno(a)dsuper.net Doug Taylor (Techno) Sysop of the "Dead On Arrival BBS" Telnet://doabbs.dynip.com http://www-mtl.look.ca/~techno techno(a)dsuper.net

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Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> I also used the Drive ][ primairly stacked next to my Apple ][+, with >> the monitor on top, or on a shelf just above (when I moved to a color >> TV with line in as a monitor, as it was just too heavy to safely place >> on top of the Apple). I never had problems (other than speed issues, >> or once a game wrote high scores to the disk despite being write >> protected). > >You're write protect sensor broke off somehow. This happened to me once, >and occasionally I'll get a drive that has this problem. Relatively easy >to fix. I don't think it broke off, but malfunctioned (or somehow, the software hit a glitch that managed to override it, if that is possible). I had been playing the game for hours, and each time it tried to write the high score, it would think it wrote, but when the high score board was shown, nothing was saved. Then on one occasion, it actually wrote to it (confirmed that it wasn't just stored in memory as I still have the write protected disk to this day with my high score saved on it). The following game rounds it went back to failing to actually write to the disk. That was literally, the ONLY occasion that the drive in question ever pulled that trick, so I doubt anything was "broken" on the drive, just that it malfunctioned the one time. It has been a head scratcher for me ever since. I never knew if it was a sensor malfunction, or if somehow the software overrode the drive's write protect (which for some nagging reason I thought was possible, as I thought I had non writeable disks [one with no notch at all] that could be written to to register software... but I might be wrong on that). My other (and more plausable theory) is that my write protect sticker had enough play in it, that a physical switch sensor might have been right on the verge of writeable (although, I don't know if those drives used a finger as a sensor, or a light beam, or how far a finger has to pass thru the disk to see it as writable) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/8/2001 6:44:58 AM Central Standard Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > The mechanism taken by itself may have been reliable enough, BUT, > > since there was no track-zero sensor, (I think that's the reason) the > > "recal" operation rams the head assembly into the outside stops > > multiple times each time it is performed, and that's going to harm the > > mechanism. Do that enough times and the system loses alignment, which > > makes it prone to failure. As the drive changes in radial alignment, > > the data written with it becomes "off-track" so it will be difficult > > to read when the drive is realigned or when the diskette is put in a > > properly aligned drive. The consequences of poor alignment is not an > > Apple problem, though the Apple way of using the drives causes > > misalignment more quickly than with drives that sense when track zero > > has been reached. > > I never had problems as you describe, nor have I ever heard of anyone > needing to adjust the alignment of an Apple disk drive. > > As far as I know, there is no procedure in the Disk ][ manual for aligning > a drive, and as far as I know, there is no reason for needing one. > > Sellam I would think that the only time an alignment would be required is when disks written from one drive will not work in another drive assuming the rotation speed is the same. I did need to have a drive aligned once in 1987 or so when for some reason, both the drive AND the controller card went bad. Not knowing any better, I tried all my dos3.3 floppies, which hosed the boot track, rendering them unusable. Never have fixed those disks yet. probably are still readable too. Somewhere in my extensive stash of apple goodies, I do have some genuine alignment disks but are useless to anyone unless you have an ocilloscope hooked up and know what you are doing. Anyone can adjust the rotation speed, however. I still say the disk ][ was the best disk subsystem around. fast(er) and reliable and decent storage I think at 143k. clearing the HYPE about bioterrorism www.formatc.org/terrorism.htm

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Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/7/2001 1:00:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << In 1981, the PC was released, and that was the death knell for computers like the Apple. Even so, they hung on for several years. Even devoted Apple][ fans, though, have, for the most part, sobered up enough since the '80's to recognize that the Apple floppy disk subsystem wasn't as solid as one might have hoped. >> ??? whaddya mean not solid? The ONLY problem I've seen is issues related to when one drive is out of alignment and as a result, may or may not be able to read disks from another drive. The disk ][ was simple, clever and RELIABLE. Please quantify your statement!

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Seeking Service Panel Door/Cover for Apollo DN2500

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, If anyone comes across a non-functional Apollo DN2500, I'm looking for the little plastic door that covers up the Service Panel switches & LEDs. Although I generally would be likely to run with the panel open, it just looks naked without the door. If anyone needs a pic to see what I'm talking about, I'll see what I can do. Regards, -doug q

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Judgement Day (is MODERATION)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Since this is an unmoderated list you should think of > off topic posts as taking the time of not One moderator > but that they take up all of OUR time, tossing them. > I Used to pre-read things in case something useful > coming up, now I don't really have the time. I noticed > things getting really bad on Thursday so I evaluated Friday > for off topic... Worse offenders at the top. > Apologize and stop please. I'm sorry, but I really do think you should have sorted that list by numbers of *bytes* posted, bot number of posts... Of course, that way, I'd have sorted down further in the list. Again, sorry... will stop *very soon* now. -dq

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food

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On November 9, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > In addition to being a Hoosier, I'm a Paver, but > > that's a State of Mind. > > A Paver? Wassat? Check out http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.pave.the.earth and please bear in mind two things: the rhetoric aside, this is all tongue-in-cheek... secondly, while the focus is on asphalt, I'm what's known as a Concrete Heretic. Regards, -dq

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Nutella

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Favoured kids breakfast (and school lunch/recess.....) spread in Australia. > > > Now owned by Kraft, a US company. > > > > Kraft is actually part of one of the big tabacco companies now.... but I > > don't recall which one. > > Philip Morris. One wonders how much ash gets incorporated into the stuff > these days. Nothing that falls onto the floor at a Philip Morris facility stays there very long.... <shudder> -dq

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God's Computers (Was: RE: absurdity)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >what the hell is all this bullshit? food and now religion. > get ontopic! > > Ok... what kind of classic computer do you think God used to design the > cosmos... while eating his Nutella? Why, a Plato system connected to a CDC Cyber 76, of course... ;-) -dq

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food

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > Mmm, greens and a juicy steak burned to a crisp. > > > > > > > Poor steak... :( *IMHO*, steak is only good served blue rare... > > > > After the first time I ate a steak rare, I came to understand > > what the creators of steak sauces appear to be trying to re-create... > > the actual taste of meat. > > > > But I want mine cooked enough that it's hot inside... I cut into > > it and detect cold temperature, the steak goes back. > > > Yup! Bring it back up to body temperature. I suppose it would be considered cruelty to animals if we found a way to cook a steak while the heart was still beating... -dq

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absurdity

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >The highest form > >of life in the universe is man. > > Actually, I dispute that, not because of a belief in god, but in the fact > that it is arrogant to think that there is no other intelligent life > ANYWHERE in the universe. Sheer mathematical odds almost demand that > there is at least life similar to human kind SOMEWHERE else in the > universe (discounting freaky but possible Quantum reality theories that > would dictate an infinite number of alternate versions of us). Generally... I have generally held this to be likely. However, noted (and enjoyable) science-fiction writer David Brin (The Postman, The Uplift War) has posited a very plausible theory, namely, that it was necessary to create a universe as large and vast as this one in order to have the combinatorial possibilties tha led to intelligent life on at least *one* planet- this one. And that while the universe may not be teeming with life *now*, it one day *could be*- from us. So, Brin believes contrariwise to Einstein, that not only does God play dice, God plays dice big-time. Regards, -dq

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off-topic discussions and air filters

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 11, Ian Koller wrote: > > has anybody found a good replacement for the air-filter medium > > Try using air-filter medium. How useful. I'm impressed. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Especially if the batteries in the calculator are dead ;) (BTW, my 14-year old son has three slide rules and was quite interested in the giant one up on the wall in a hall at his high school.) -----Original Message----- From: One Without Reason [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:41 PM To: Classic Computers Mailing List Subject: Re: Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers) > > Good point! But doesn't that make it interesting now in 2001? I mean the slide > > rule > > compared to the electronic caluclator makes the slide rule seem like a lousy design. > > > > Aren't slide rules interesting today. I can do a lot of things faster on a slide rule than an electronic calculator. Peace... Sridhar

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Recent Aquisition

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 10, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > The M2322K and family are indeed standard 8" form factor drives. > > They're not called "Eagles" though, as far as I'm aware. > Uuups. Sorry. I thought that Eagle and Super Eagle where names for > product lines, not for two specific drives. > > > I really like those drives. > The (Super) Eagle or the later 8" drives? In the case of the 8" drives > you are the first person that I hear talking nice words about that > drives. The most words I heared about the 8" drives are like: "Reformat > them at least once a year, or you will loose your data." The Eagles more so than the 8" drives. I've used a few of the 8" drives on larger Suns but didn't have great luck. Good performance though, especially on the Xylogics 7053 and 753 controllers. > I know. My first QBus disk system was a QD33 with two 9" D2363 drives > from NEC. Very impressive. The first time I simply puted one drive on > top of the BA123. When the drive begun to move its heads, the machine > (around 100kg with the drive!) begun to shake. A big smile run acros my > face when I noticed that. Not to forget that incredible sound! :-) Oh yes! I used a few NEC D2352H drives. Those were sweet! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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food

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> Adam was made in God's own image, not that of a monkey. My only dispute with Adam and Eve (and if anyone wants to have a theological debate with me, that is fine, but lets do it civilly and OFF LIST, as I can wage arguments for and against the existence of god)... My dispute is, according to the King James bible (I am specifying a version, as there are many, but the King James is the one that seems to have been adopted by the mass of Christianity), God made Adam. Then God made Eve. Then Adam and Eve had two sons, one killed the other and then was banished to a far away land. Now the obvious problem is, where did the rest of humanity come from... the obvious answer, Adam and Eve had additional children that just weren't documented. I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is, Cain returns to Adam and Eve... with a wife and children. But if Adam, Eve, and Cain were the ONLY people on Earth when Cain was sent to a far away land... where did he find a wife to have children with? And of course, God can be "proved" and "disproved" (there is actually no one proof one way or the other that has stood up to all tests as far as I have found) with no interaction with the bible, which was written by man, and thus prone to man's interpretation and man's errors in omission, or embellishments, so the whole story of Adam and Eve has no ultimate bearing on the existence or lack there of of God, and in fact, can safely be disregarded as "folk lore" without damaging the underlying belief structure of God. And that is all I will say on this on list (sorry, but theology debates can get very heated very fast and aren't usually a good topic for open public debate... although they can be a very interesting philosophy topic when rationally discussed in a small open minded civil group.) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Parting out

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/10/01 8:11:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, jhellige(a)earthlink.net writes: > The seller has gone so far as to pull the deflection coil and > flyback transformer from the tube, as well as seperating the cables > and other small items. I don't agree with the destruction of a > functional machine like this but I don't see how the seperate > listings could be justified from the fee versus income of each of the > smaller items. > > I, too, was surprised by how many bits it is in, 34. I plan on following the sale to see what he does get. One of the things I noticed about the sale is that the seller is in Ketchikan Alaska. This is about one of the most expensive places in the US to ship out of. It could be prohibitive in cost to ship an entire Lisa. Most of the parts could be shipped priority mail however, at a fixed cost. >From reading the sellers feedback and reviewing his shipping charges I suspect his handling charges are a significant part of the additional charges. The more pieces he sells the better off he is. I also notice his regular business is concrete and scaffolding. His eBay sales are a sideline. Paxton Astoria, OR

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HP9825 Assembler and Source Code

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Here's something that HP9825 owners may find useful. The HP9825 is covered by US patent US4075679 Feb 21 1978. The patent gives a full description of the HP9825 including schematics, processor description and internal schematic, flow charts, memory maps, data structures etc....and a source listing !!. (600 pages total) Patent is available from http://gb.espacenet.com as scanned images free of charge. I've typed up all of the source and assembled it with no errors. Assembler is based on HP21XX assembler by Jeff Moffatt at http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100. Email me for the HP9825 source and assembler C source. Chris Leyson

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New article on Vintage Computer Festival website

by vcf＠vintage.org

I just posted the paper I gave at an archaeology conference in Vienna, Austria, earlier this week. It's titled, "The Valley of Lost Data: Excavating Hard Drives and Floppy Disks" and was written with Christine Finn, author of _Artifacts: An Archaeologist's Year in Silicon Valley_ (http://www.artifactsthebook.com). You can find it here: http://www.vintage.org/cgi-bin/content.pl?id=004 Abstract: This paper explores some ideas concerning computers as repositories in the sense of archaeological sites containing data - objects, bodies and so on. The authors, who are both involved in computer history (one an archaeologist and writer on the subject, the other a leading collector and curator of vintage computers in the US) will consider the ways in which material in a computer may be accessed in the manner of evidence extracted >from sites in a more orthodox archaeological situation. The paper will look at the type of data stored, the hardware and software implicated, and the ways in which it can be retrieved. They will discuss issues concerning the ethical retrieval of such data and the time-frame involved in the transformation of material to a state of inaccessibility. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Judgement Day (is MODERATION)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/10/2001 10:34:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, allain(a)panix.com writes: << Since this is an unmoderated list you should think of off topic posts as taking the time of not One moderator but that they take up all of OUR time, tossing them. I Used to pre-read things in case something useful coming up, now I don't really have the time. I noticed things getting really bad on Thursday so I evaluated Friday for off topic... Worse offenders at the top. Apologize and stop please. >> will the offenders get the molten iron treatment?

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AT&T Unix for the 3Bx series

by ernestls＠home.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of SP > Sent: Friday, January 04, 1980 2:38 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: AT&T Unix for the 3Bx series > > > Hello. Somebody knows where can be obtained a complete copy > of the Unix System V manuals and software that came with the > AT&T 3Bx series ? I search one (repeat, software and manuals) > for the 3B2/400, or even the 3B1. > > By the way, I should like to know if somebody have for sale/trade > one AT&T 3B1 or another AT&T unix machine with software and > docs. I have complete AT&T 6300+ computer with ATT Unix System 5/Release 2 (?) I believe. It has all the user manuals, and software disks. There are a bunch of them. I would trade or sell this system if you're interested. I'm in Seattle. E.

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Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

General comment, Most 8" systems were expected be and behaved reliably and have at least 250k of space. Most 5.25" systems could be reliable but, often weren't. I'll restrict comments to 5.25" for the later reason. Most of the complaints I've had with disk systems be they Apple or not were often in this order. 1- Drives (SA400 was pure garbage!!!) 2- horribly botched controllers (TRS-80 without mods) 3- software such as disk drivers that would hang if no media or errors 4- floppy drives/controlers that would "bite" the media on power up or down. meaning it would write trash due to no write locks. 5- not enough space The apple-II was plagued with #1 and somewhat with #3 depending on OS and definately #4. Space was a problem for many users(#5) Trash-80 was 1 through 5 example. NS* mostly #4 had to be watched if the drives were seperately powered and earlier units were SA400 (#1 problem). The SD controller while bullet proof was space poor at 90k per drive (#5). CCS used 8" disks and reliable controller. It was however prone to #4. Many S100 system that used 8" drives and the better 5.25 drives fell in this realm of reliability though most with 5.25 were pretty cramped until 360k(DD) or 720->780k(QD aka two sided DD) formats were common. Of the most reliable my AmproLB+, Kaypro 4/84 with Advent turborom,NS* (both SD and DD) and most of the post 1981 systems in the commercial systems space. My expectations of reliable were set by minicomputers long before micros I'd worked with where if the disk didn't work it was something I did wrong. Of all, my opinion is that floppies were ok but the first real improvement was the 3.5" drives(720k and 1.44m generation) with the power fail logic on board. They offered good storage, small size, lower power, good reliability and quieter than the whole lot. Allison

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Stacking Apple ][ stuff

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/8/2001 5:06:19 AM Central Standard Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > > problem either. I know there is some kind of problem relating to the > > duodisk and disks getting trashed (anyone know details?) but nothing > > ever related to the display. > > I used and continue to use a Duodisk on my APple //e system and I can't > recall ever having a disk get mysteriously trashed so I don't know of what > you speak. > I do remember reading something of a faulty/out of spec component inside the duodisk that would cause some issues with the floppy drives but like I said, coming up 404 on it. Think I'll ask in comp.sys..... and find out for sure. clearing the HYPE about bioterrorism www.formatc.org/terrorism.htm

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Windows, std OS in Hell

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 10, 13:35, Carlos Murillo wrote: > At 06:48 PM 11/9/01 GMT, Pete wrote: > >On Nov 9, 9:46, Bill Pechter wrote: > >> ---- On Fri, 09 Nov 2001, Geoff Reed (geoffr(a)zipcon.net) wrote: > >> Most of the third party add on printer servers come with an lpr > >> capability for Win9x and there's a shareware one on Simtel for > >> Windows 3.x with a winsock. > >> > >> Lan Workplace also had one from Novell. > > > >You can also do it from any version of PCNFS. > > If I remember correctly, you need NIS in your > network in order to be able to use PCNFS, right? > I seem to recall that I did not choose PCNFS > because of that several years ago. You need NFS on the server, but not NIS, thank goodness. Anything that can check the password for a username will do (eg /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow). The way printing with PCNFS works is that your print server authenticates with something running pcnfsd, then saves the file to be printed to a spool directory on the server (needn't be the same server), and lastly sends a command to the server to say "please print that". That's somewhat oversimplified, but I think you'll get the gist. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cromemco landmarks

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Carlini, Antonio <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> > > I always wondered what the VUP rating would have > >been were they not emulated. > > Hopefully about the same, othewise they did > a poor job of selecting instructions to subset! > The instructions that they did not implement > were those that were infrequently used and > cost too much chip real-estate. There was substanial analysis to determine the subset and most frequently used. The emulated instructions even had optimizations even though they fell into the infrequently used bin. Allison

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Cromemco landmarks

by mhstein＠usa.net

Speaking of Cromemco, did you know (according to their literature) that aside from naming the S-100 bus, they also developed: -The first Z-80 micro -The first multi-user micro -The first Unix-like OS for a micro (Cromix) -The first micro with a Winchester HD -The first complete system with 16M/50MHD for <$50,000 -The first micro color graphics system -The first micro addressing memory >64K -The first micro with IBM RJE communication -The first intelligent micro I/O interfaces with a CPU on I/O card -The first micro implementation of I/O channel processors -The first micro to boot from ROM without front panel switches -The first self-programming EPROM card -The first micro with error-correcting memory -The first graphics system with hardware stenciling (whatever that is) -The first micro graphics system capable of sync'ing to a TV broadcast -The first micro with integrated floppy disks And that in 1987 an XXU equipped system was almost twice as fast as a VAX 11/780, which cost over four times as much as the largest Cromemco system at the time.

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Cromemco landmarks

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Carlos Murillo wrote: > >Didn't the uVax II implement some of the original VAX instructions >with emulation? Yes, as did the MicroVAX I. But IIRC it was with the MicroVAX II that the architecture was formally subsetted. > I always wondered what the VUP rating would have >been were they not emulated. Hopefully about the same, othewise they did a poor job of selecting instructions to subset! The instructions that they did not implement were those that were infrequently used and cost too much chip real-estate. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 10, Gene Ehrich wrote: > >Wow, you left beautiful Laurel, Maryland for St. Petersburg, FL?! > > I left beautiful Marlton NJ for Spring Hill Florida and it's really tough. > Every afternoon I have to take a nap out on the Lanai in 78 to 80 degree > temperature and freeze at night as it gets down to chilly 60. I never get > to use my heavy winter clothing and have to wear shorts year round. I don't > get to see the beautiful snow, ice, hail and freezing temperatures of NJ. > It's really tough. Wow man, I feel for you. You really have it rough. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 10, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > Huh? 14" and 8" Eagles? Every Eagle I've ever seen has been a 10" > > platter drive. Are there Eagles other than the M2351 and M2361? > Hmm. The Eagles may be 10". I 've not seen that much of the big Eagles > from inside and I never measured them. (Sorry. I am an european and I am > not that used to that wired inch measurement. ;-) ) For the 8" drives: > I know very well that they exist and that they are 8". AFAIK they are > called Eagle too or Super Eagle. M-number? Hmm? M2223K? M2322K? Ahh, you metric folk! ;) The M2322K and family are indeed standard 8" form factor drives. They're not called "Eagles" though, as far as I'm aware. I really like those drives. Take an M2322K (or the larger M2372K/M2382K models), stick it on an Emulex QD32 or QD33 controller, stick it in a QBUS VAX...Nice! :-) An interesting note...The HDA of an Eagle or Super Eagle drive is a big aluminum casting that, to me, very much resembles the engine of a Volkswagen. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 9, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > Yeah It can indeed, but you have to start somewhere right? :-) Anyhow Dave, did you finally get settled down there? I see you're finally getting to your emails again! I'm at my mom's place in Treasure Island at the moment...I've got work to do, and there's connectivity here. My stuff is piled up in boxes at my new place in St. Petersburg about ten minutes away. I go over there for a few hours every day and do more stuff. The next project is to scope out the breaker box and put in two 30A 220V circuits for the APC Matrix5000 UPSes and start putting the computer room together. But for now I have my main desktop machine set up here at my mom's place talking through the NATed network I put together for her. It's working out pretty well so far; at least I can get some work done.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by vax＠knm.yi.org

Hi guys, Just had a MicroVAX II delivered. It's in an intresting configuration - in two 19" racks :&) Anyway, decided to work out what I've got and get things to a point where I can get her up and running. Unfortunatly, she was "decomissioned" using a rather large knife, or bolt cutters, judging from >from the damage to just about every cable protruding from the back (including cables connecting HDD's to CPU). Just to summarise what there is (more complete list to follow when I remember to take a pen and paper with me to the office): o two SMD HDD's - I'll get make/model next time I'm down o a cipher (?) tape drive (9 track I think?) - again, I'll have to get the model number later o two BA23 cases (which I brought home to check out) It looks awfully as if someone else has pulled some cards at some point, but here's what's in the BA23's BA23 number 1: Front bays: a TK70 Backplane: A B C D 1 empty 2 KA630 (Quad Width) 3 DATARAM 40918 rev D Assy 62404 Rev D (Quad Width) 4 Emulex QU3210401 (Double Width) 5 Emulex CU021042 Rev F <-- (Quad Width) 6 Emulex CU021042 Rev F <-- (Quad Width) 7 Emulex CC0910401 TQK70 8 empty empty Looks like there are cab kits for the KA630, and I think there's a board (and a surviving cable for!) the CC0910401. (KA630 cab kit in A, B, C, E & F open, D has a blanking plate) BA23 number 2: Front bays: an RX50 (minus cable - a PC floppy cable shouyld do the job right - so long as it's just straight through 34pin, no twist?) Backplane: A B C D 1 empty 2 M9405 3 empty 4 M9047 M9047 5 Emulex TU0210401 Rev C 6 M7555 M9047 7 empty M9404 8 empty No cab kits. (But slots A, D, E and F have no blanking plate and are open) Now to me, that doesn't look right. The BA23 is QQ/CD for the top 4 slots and QQ/QQ serpentine for the bottom 4 - right? I have an awful lot of half cables where they've just been cut right through the middle - that gives me the feeling it might be tricky to get this working. So basically, any pointers on how this might have been configured (there was one HDD and one BA23 in each rack, with a tape drive in the rack which had BA23 number 2 in it. Along with any pointers on the best way to get things up and running again. I didn't get any media for this (besides the two HDDs). It looks like one of the HDD's (both are SMD) has a 3 phase PSU - I'm not going to be able to provide 3 phase (more info tomorrow when I can get to it) Oh, and what's J6 on the BA23 PSU for? it looked to be hooked up to a cable in BA23 number 2's rack. Oh - and I got a DECserver 90M (which I presume is a terminal server). No PSU for it tho - anyone got any clue how to test that? Any thoughts? :&) Thanks, -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.yi.org/ http://pkl.net/~matt/ PGP Key fingerprint = 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5 D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8D7F PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html

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Computers on TBAA

by jhfine＠idirect.com

I am told that the computers on tonight's episode of TBAA at 8:00 P.M. (CBS? - never could keep them straight) are Apple computers running non-Windows Operating Systems. Since I am a PDP-11 fellow, I need some help. Can anyone identify which hardware and possibly software is being used? I tend to assume that most programs on TV these days don't bother to try and be accurate, so it would be helpful if those who know would identify for us who don't!!!! PLEASE - this question has nothing to do with FOOD or RELIGION or GOD. And since it was suggested that the computers in question might even be more than 10 years old, it may even be ON TOPIC. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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DECserver 700 crap (again)

by vance＠ikickass.org

Apparently there are a lot of commands that aren't documented in the help, and I don't have the command reference. I have the site preparation and maintenance manual, but I can't find the command reference. I would appreciate any help. Thanks. Peace... Sridhar

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absurdity

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Anyhow Dave, did you finally get settled down there? I see !you're finally getting to your emails again! ! !-Linc. (the Troll - I guess?) Linc --- For my sake, don't use Troll as a nickname. The Troll I know is this hot little blonde girl from college... ;-) Sorry, wandering mind again... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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absurdity

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 10, Eric Chomko wrote: > Wow, you left beautiful Laurel, Maryland for St. Petersburg, FL?! Watch out for > Rte. 19 down there, it's as bad as Rte. 1 up here. Uh-huh. ;) Yeah, Route 19 is fun. There are lots of cool pawn shops on 19, though, which often have old HP calculators (another passion of mine) and sometimes neat old computers! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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food

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 9, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > In addition to being a Hoosier, I'm a Paver, but > that's a State of Mind. A Paver? Wassat? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Lots o' stuff that I don't need, it's free too

by alpha＠ka.net

I recently purchased a used HP 7475a plotter and I need an instruction manual. Can you help? If so, you can reach me at 812-207-6502. My mailing address is Paul E. Smith 1109 E. Main Street New Albany, IN 47150 Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Paul E. Smith

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Nutella

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 9, Chris Kennedy wrote: > > What would be the American English translation of "dummies" in this > > context? > > Pacifier. Makes perfect sense if you think about it for a second :-) Ahh, yes it does! :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Windows, std OS in Hell

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 9, 9:46, Bill Pechter wrote: > ---- On Fri, 09 Nov 2001, Geoff Reed (geoffr(a)zipcon.net) wrote: > > Nope, WFW3.11, Win95 and Win98 were designed as "small office > / home > > operating systems" and were never given support for LPR > protocol as you > > weren't expected to see that in a SOHO / Workgroup or Home > setting. > There are lpr drivers available as shareware or commercial > products for Win3.x, Win95 and higher. > > Most of the third party add on printer servers come with an lpr > capability for Win9x and there's a shareware one on Simtel for > Windows 3.x with a winsock. > > Lan Workplace also had one from Novell. You can also do it from any version of PCNFS. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

The way I remember is that the Fujitsu Eagle is the 2351 and the Super eagle is the 2361. Fujitsu did make 8" drives but the were not called Eagles around the Northwest. The 23XX (2316, 2333 etc.)series were nice 8 inch drives. I have also had some 14 inch Fujitsus but I cannot remember the series numbers but they predated the Eagles. Paxton Astoria, OR

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 9, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > First I have seen of this conversation, but like you said - YOUR comments need an answer... I am quite sure that hell will be full of people who agreed that there was no God while they were alive. Unfortunaltely it'll be too late then for them to change their mind. Now you may disagree with me, but I have one question to ask you and you can keep the reply to yourself..... Do you really want to take that chance? It could also be argued that there's something wrong with the idea of believing in God purely to keep oneself out of hell -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 10, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > It looks like one of the HDD's (both are SMD) has a 3 phase PSU - > What drive type? Fujitsu Eagle (14" and 8") where quite common. I have > seen several of them, but never with 3 phase PSU. Huh? 14" and 8" Eagles? Every Eagle I've ever seen has been a 10" platter drive. Are there Eagles other than the M2351 and M2361? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Clearly OT (but what the hell...) (was: food

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Douglas Quebbeman may have mentioned these words: >Worked for a publishing company, and one of the VP's played >the pipes. He'd go up on the roof of the building at lunch >at least once a week to play. > >While returning from an early lunch, I was approaching the >building, enjoying his jamming, when an older women exiting >the building heard the sound, looked up, then looked at me >and said "My, I do *love* the sound of the saxophone"... <snicker> Probably the "oddest" thing I've ever experienced is when I went to Germany back in '91 -- I was stationed in Oerbke <sp?> north of Hannover about 50 clicks, in the "british" sector of what was divvied up Deutschland at the time. I was in a German gasthaus (bar/pub) in Fallingbostel drinking beer (German, of course) & playing cards with my buddy. The cards were given to us by the Brits (nice folks!) but were made in Spain. In comes a Scot in full kilt & uniform with bagpipes, and he played for around an hour -- the last thing he played before he left was "Yankee Doodle" for the visiting Americans... :-) Was most definitely the *most* multiculturally diverse moment in my life... Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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food

by technos＠nerdland.org

While you are right about smke essence, it is probably not applied in the same dose as you are seeing there. Also, I can assure you that no one uses mayo and mustard "mixed" (same bottle?), nor marshmallow "butter"(creme?). Whatever you're eating there is a pure bastardization of what I get here in Detroit or Kansas City or Des Moines. Mmm, greens and a juicy steak burned to a crisp. Jim On Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:39 AM, Iggy Drougge [SMTP:optimus@canit.se] wrote: > Chad Fernandez skrev: > > >Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> Americans have always been somewhat "strange" about their diet, > > >How? I've never seen anything that I thought was strange. We don't eat > >anything that is still alive, or wiggles, or whatever. Our food is > >pretty basic, with the exception maybe of some fancy stuff.... but a lot > >of that is foreign influence. > > I find it somewhat interesting how Americans define "foreign". Doesn't that > require something "indigenous"? =) > I can't say that I know much about American cousine, save for hamburgers, but > there is a shop in Stockholm which specialises in American food, and I must > say that the general impression I've got is that it's absolutely deranged. > Two examples: Mustard and mayonnaise mixed into one bottle. Smoke essence, > added to food in order to get a "grilled" quality. > And everything is very colourful. > Oh, and then there's that marshmallow butter, which I think you're supposed > to > have on your sandwich. Makes Nutella seem like a wholesome product. =) > > -- > En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. > > BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC > Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only > medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least, more > fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution". >

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 10, 9:24, Dave McGuire wrote: > On November 10, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > > It looks like one of the HDD's (both are SMD) has a 3 phase PSU - > > What drive type? Fujitsu Eagle (14" and 8") where quite common. I have > > seen several of them, but never with 3 phase PSU. > > Huh? 14" and 8" Eagles? Every Eagle I've ever seen has been a 10" > platter drive. Are there Eagles other than the M2351 and M2361? Nope, but there are other Fujitsu SMD drives with larger and smaller platters. The Eagle and Super Eagle were two specific models, approximately 1/2GB and 1GB respectively. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT again Re: food

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 10, Carlos Murillo wrote: > I don't believe in God. But I am very aware that I may be missing > something important. I think that people with genuine faith are > lucky. I think it has a lot to do (or maybe everything to do) with personal experience. I don't believe in much of anything unless I see pretty convincing evidence. If you have a personal experience that causes you to believe in something, I think you tend to believe it *much* more strongly than if it was just learned second- or third-hand, or preached at you or something. I think this goes for pretty much anything, not just the current [very much off-topic] conversation. So, to drag us kicking and screaming back to on-topic conversation. As some of you know, I just moved from MD down to FL. My mom lives down here. I'd been here for less than an hour before she presented me with a little housewarming gift...a Commodore 64 with a 1541 disk drive, both in their [beat-up] original boxes, that she'd picked up at a yard sale for two bucks! :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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