- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 15, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > > > I strongly recommend doing so if you plan on working on pre-PC era > > > machines. They do break. But repairing them can actually be quite > > > > I strongly recomend you learn electronics no matter what sort of > > machine you work on. > > Well, that does it. I'm going to stay an extra few years at college and > get a second degree: Electrical & Computer Engineering. Now, look what > you've done, you bastards! :-) Of course that won't necessarily mean you'll come out knowing anything about electrical & computer engineering. Oh wait, you didn't say "computer science". Nevermind. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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HP 3000 No More

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 15, Iggy Drougge wrote: > >Just announced on /., the venerable HP3000 line will join HP calculators > >in HP's new "we don't want to do cool stuff anymore" business model. > > You're forgetting that PA-RISC is also in the same position. It's called > "legacy", isn't it? Of course. Anything non-Intel non-Windows is automatically "legacy", remember? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Cromemco + DIAB

by optimus＠canit.se

There's been some talk about Cromemco recently, and in one single Usenet post, I read something about a Cromemco UNIX box actually being a DIAB design. Presumably, this would be a 680[23]0 design. Do you have any ideas? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods

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New acquisitions: Suns, room

by jss＠subatomix.com

I just acquired my first two Sun workstations. One is a 3/50, which came >from a list member (thanks, and don't feel so bad about destroying my cell phone :-) :-) ), and the other is a 3/60, which came from elsewhere. A few monitors, keyboards, and drives made it in there somewhere, also. I still have a Sparcserver 490 in my, um, "storage facility" (read: parents' garage) that was a stowaway from a trip earlier this year. The Sun collection has started. Another list member graciously donated two RX01 units, which will eventually make their way into some sort of PDP-11. So far, I'm met 4 list members IRL. I hope to see more of you soon. The biggest news is that I'm getting some more room. A LOT more room. Of course, another way of looking at it is that my wife has decided she's a lesbian, wants a divorce, and is moving in with her new girlfriend. Either way you see it, I'm going to be making some changes around my house. First, all of the traditional living space and sleeping space will be compressed into one room. The bathroom, kitchen, and utility room will retain their functions. The rest of the house will become my retrocomputing playpen. The detached garage, now devoid of her car, will make a great storage area for stuff I'm not actively playing with. I don't have a large house, but all in all, I estimate I'm getting about 500 to 750 additional square feet to do stuff in. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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In need of external SCSI enclosure...

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Anyone out there have a HD50, 4 bay external SCSI enclosure they are >willing to part with (trade/money/etc.)? I've noticed that I've accumulated >a small pile of old IDC50 1gig SCSI drives and I have decided to actually >use them instead of allow them to keep my computer room door propped open. >I've verified that they work, etc, but my little case cannot fit more than >2 drives (yes, a sucky mid-tower) and logically, an external would suit my >needs. Finding them on ebay is like looking to pay porshe prices for a >yugo. I last saw one (actually a 2 bay HD50) go for about $130 US, USED >without power supply! Is there anyone out there willing to help spare my >sanity for my SCSI obscession? Maybe it will give me room to play with my >2X SCSI CD-ROM drive and 250Meg Tape Drive... I "built" one of these a while back. I bought a cable from MCM Electronics (Cent on each end, and 4 IDC in the middle). I think the cable was about $40. I then stuck my drives (a CD burner and an HD, with 2 spaces to spare), into a spare PC computer case (I paid $20 on the case with a 250 watt PS included). The case gave me access to 4 5.25 1/2 height bays, and 2 3.5 bays (all bays are external, no additional internal, however, since there was no logic board, I could mount things on their side using that space if I had wanted to). For heat venting, I placed an extra case fan (I used one of those slot mount ones since I had it on hand). I also scrounged up some old slot plates that fit the centronics connectors on the back (don't remember where I got them, but I had them from something... I think you can buy them for a buck or two). It worked very well for about a year, then I needed the case for a PC, and I had upgraded my internal HD so I no longer needed the extra SCSI drive. Now the CD burner sits on top of an old external Jasmine HD case so I can use the PS and IDC to Cent cable from it (since the Jasmine drive is LONG since dead anyway). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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(fwd) Ataris @ The Alternative Party

by optimus＠canit.se

-- forwarded message -- Path: dos.canit.se!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!sunsite.dk!sonofon.dk!neo.defero.net!news.defero.net!news.bbnetworks.net!not-for-mail From: Kristoffer Lawson <setok(a)fishpool.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Ataris @ The Alternative Party Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Fishpool Creations Ltd Lines: 27 Sender: Kristoffer Lawson <setok(a)oksidi.fishpool.fi> Message-ID: <9subvh$1jhg$1(a)news.bbnetworks.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: oksidi.fishpool.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.bbnetworks.net 1005761329 52784 212.16.100.71 (14 Nov 2001 18:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet(a)news.bbnetworks.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:08:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971106 (UNIX) (IRIX/6.3 (IP32)) Xref: dos.canit.se comp.sys.atari.st:117781 Just a quick note about the rather neat computer party we're organising: The Alternative Party is basically about collecting a wide variety of alternative demo platforms together into an event for people who love machines with personality, and who are trying to create demos with them. Previously we've seen Falcons, Amigas, C64s, a Vectrex, a Commodore PET, a Telmac, Spectrums, UNIX workstations etc. etc. We are also combining all of this with experimental and alternative art. Some artists who will be playing live at the 3-day event: Pnmf!, Tero M?yr?nen (plays live music with synths and a C64), Telamurska, Happo, Analogia, No I Aint. It will take place in Helsinki, Finland from the 11th of January to the 13th. For more information contact me or visit the website, http://www.altparty.org/ (check the archive for an invitro from Wildfire for the Falcon!). In addition, we've set up an area for collecting together information about cool machines and interesting art, or the "Alternative Wiki". Absolutely anybody can contribute information to it by clicking "Edit Text" at the bottom of any page, and add new pages freely. If there are people here who would like to contribute, please do! The Alternative Wiki can be found at http://www.altparty.org/wiki/. Hope to see some of you there. -- Kristoffer Lawson | Setok / Aggression | Main Alternative Party organiser -- end of forwarded message -- -- Vi m?ste vara r?dda om varandra - det ?r det enda reciproka pronomen vi har.

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8" Diskettes

by jhingber＠ix.netcom.com

There was a thread awhile back inquiring about vendors of 8" diskettes. It seems IBM still carries some 8" disks: http://www.storage.ibm.com/media/products.html Number Description 2305830 8"SS/SD- 26 sector 128 byte/sector (246/272 byte capacity) - 10pk box 2736700 8" SS/SD - DP- 10pk box 1669959 8" 1 -OS/6, (260.000 characters)- 10pk box 1669045 8" DS/DD - 8 sector, 1024 byte/sector (1212/416 byte capacity) -10pk box 1669044 8" DS/DD - 15 sector, 512 byte/sector (1136/640 byte capacity) - 10pk box 1766872 8" DS/DD - 26 sector, 256 byte/sector (985/008 byte capacity) - 10pk box Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)

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Xenix ?

by mhstein＠usa.net

-----------Original Message---------- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700 From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Xenix ? Don Maslin wrote: > Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a Z-80 version of Xenix > and, if not, then there was none for the Model II. The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the 6809 and <snip> ---------------------------------------------------------- Don't forget Z80 Cromix... mike

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More Finds for the musuem

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Over the last few weeks I have found a few items, slim pickings right now. - IBM 3174 1L controller with 2 terminals and keyboards - Tandy color computer ext floppy disk drive model FD501 - 20+ cartridges for Atari 2600, Jaguar, and Game Gear - A Nintendo R. O. B. just the robot missing battery cover. It was $2 so I got it as a spare. - a Microline model 701-A 5V power supply, not sure what it goes with - 20+ mousepads - New in the box 2 TI joysticks for the TI99/4A - Apple III diskware program System Demonstration - digital VT100-AA terminal - Several books and manuals were also added to the collection The rest of the items are not old enough to list.

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > > > http://www.siconic.com/crap/John%20Zabolitzky%20Demonstraing%2 > > > > > 0Cyber%20960%204.jpg > > > > > > > > Sellam, you're the most prominent fixture in the picture! > > > > > > Actually, that's John Zabolitzky at the console. My hair is > > > not nearly that gray (yet, in spite of it all ;) > > > > But aren't you the guy on the left? I was talking in terms > > of the photo's area... > > If that was me on the left, that would have been some pretty slick picture > taking, since I'm the one who shot it. heh... hey, I've heard that they have cameras like that out in California... -dq

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On November 14, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's? > > > > > > Early 1980s. > > > > > > > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)? > > > > > > No. Just a mainframe. > > > > Yup. Though, it's great-grampa was a supercomputer. The > > first, in fact. > > I assume you mean the 6600. *sigh* *drool* A friend has a core stack from the one we used to have in Bloomington, IN... as well as a platter from one of the Bryant drives. I have a roll of black, blank, oiled (pretty dry now) paper tape from the CDC's high-speed punch/reader. And my manuals, still... and the emulator, under construction, *slowly* under construction... Oh, I found an *EOI* (end-of-information) card the other day, that was a 6/7/8/9 punch in column 1... -dq

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Altair 8K BASIC configuration

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

While trying to get the 8K BASIC to work with the Altair emulator, I've figured-out that there must be some way for the user to define, using the sense switches, which I/O ports could be used for the console. Does anyone have the manual for 8K BASIC or handwritten notes on the topic? I need to find the definition of the switches at startup because I'm losing console input on the emulator when using 8K BASIC. Thanks. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Altair 8K BASIC configuration

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Rich- I'll check the manual tonight. -dq > -----Original Message----- > From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:31 PM > To: 'ClassCompList' > Subject: Altair 8K BASIC configuration > > > While trying to get the 8K BASIC to work with the Altair > emulator, I've > figured-out that there must be some way for the user to > define, using the > sense switches, which I/O ports could be used for the console. > > Does anyone have the manual for 8K BASIC or handwritten notes > on the topic? > I need to find the definition of the switches at startup > because I'm losing > console input on the emulator when using 8K BASIC. > > Thanks. > > ========================== > Richard A. Cini, Jr. > Congress Financial Corporation > 1133 Avenue of the Americas > 30th Floor > New York, NY 10036 > (212) 545-4402 > (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) >

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 14, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's? > > > > Early 1980s. > > > > > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)? > > > > No. Just a mainframe. > > Yup. Though, it's great-grampa was a supercomputer. The > first, in fact. I assume you mean the 6600. *sigh* *drool* -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > http://www.siconic.com/crap/John%20Zabolitzky%20Demonstraing%2 > > > 0Cyber%20960%204.jpg > > > > Sellam, you're the most prominent fixture in the picture! > > Actually, that's John Zabolitzky at the console. My hair is > not nearly that gray (yet, in spite of it all ;) But aren't you the guy on the left? I was talking in terms of the photo's area... > I would consider it historical if just because it's not manufactured > anymore, and I'm sure they would too. At any rate, ten years from now it > will be sorely missed if no one takes the initiative to rescue it now. Agreed! -dq

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's? > > Early 1980s. > > > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)? > > No. Just a mainframe. Yup. Though, it's great-grampa was a supercomputer. The first, in fact. -dq

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Anyone have any architectural or performance info for this machine? > > Good info at: > > http://www.tno.nl/instit/fel/museum/computer/en/cdcsystE.html > > > I assume it's a memory-to-memory vector machine like the earlier Cybers? > > I do not think the 180s were vector machines. They may have had some > vector capabilities, but they were never number crunchers. I have heard > some people say (may be in jest) that the 180s I/O processors were faster > than the main processor. The Cyber 960 was not in the same model line as the Cyber 205, which was the successor (or one of the successors) to the CDC STAR, the vector-processor line to which you refer. Regards, -dq

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's? > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)? Its primary architecture dates from the early 1960s. That was the 60-bit architecture designed by Seymour Cray. But this model also implements a virtual-mode in which the CPU operates in 64-bit mode. The 960 was a machine of mid-1980s manufacture; they were being sold through the early 1990s. Tidbit: "The Cyber 960 and all its peripherals took up approximately 1,800 square feet of space and required over 20 tons of air conditioning to keep cool." -http://www.csustan.edu/oit/banner/cyber.html The Georgia machine: http://www.usg.edu/oiit/pubs/update/spring2000/article5.html GIT was still running PLATO as recently as 1990, but was considering migration to NovaNET.

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blinkenlights for everybody - status update (2)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. Things are progressing nicely. The core board is tested and works. I get the monitor prompt on the VT220 terminal connected to the RS-232 interface. That means there is also software for it. Go to the updated page http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/homebrew/startframe.html Next steps are: 1) adjust monitor software so it runs without the RAM 5565 chip 2) build the I/O ports interface board 3) write the "low-level" in- and output routines 4) write the "stand-alone" pattern SW (the Cylon-eye on the DATA LEDs) 5) the real work: interface with Ersatz-11 (..John?) The monitor software (e11-6802.zip) already contains some SW but that has not yet ran; it just assembles without errors ... - Henk.

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Altair 8K BASIC configuration

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I have the manual somewhere that explains this. I add a patch that makes the console output appear on the VDM-1. Other choices are teletype, etc. Unfortunately, I have temporarily misplaced this all. I have no idea when I will find it. If anyone else can help, please do so. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [SMTP:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:31 PM To: 'ClassCompList' Subject: Altair 8K BASIC configuration While trying to get the 8K BASIC to work with the Altair emulator, I've figured-out that there must be some way for the user to define, using the sense switches, which I/O ports could be used for the console. Does anyone have the manual for 8K BASIC or handwritten notes on the topic? I need to find the definition of the switches at startup because I'm losing console input on the emulator when using 8K BASIC. Thanks. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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The TECO manuals

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Finally dug again and found the TECO manuals I talked about a few weeks ago. Two books: The bigger one: (1/2" thick or so) --------------- cover: "decsystem10 TECO" first page: document number: DEC-10-ETEE-D "decsystem 10 TECO TEXT EDITOR AND CORRECTOR PROGRAM PROGRAMMER'S REFERENCE MANUAL This manual reflects the software as of version 23 of TECO" copyright: 1968,69,70,71,72 The smaller one: (1/8" thick or so) --------------- cover: "decsystem 10 INTRODUCTION TO TECO (TEXT EDITOR AND CORRECTOR) first page: document number: DEC-10-UTECA-A-D "This document reflects the software as of version 23 of TECO" copyright: 1971,72,73,74,75 (third printing, june 1975) If there's enough interest, and nobody else has already put these online somewhere, I'll get these scanned to JPG, TIF, or PDF this weekend. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 14, Chandra Bajpai wrote: > >From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's? > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)? This would be a mid-80's system I believe. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Forwarded from COMP.SYS.CDC; please direct replies to the original poster... -doug q "James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> wrote in message news:<9spg2t$qia$1(a)ns2.i16.net>... > A source tells me the current plan is to sell the UGA Cyber 960 being > decommissioned in Athens, for scrap. Anybody here interested in trying to > save it? Hate to see it scrapped. There can't be that many of them left. > > The University System doesn't dispose of surplus property itself in the > State of Georgia. This is handled by the Department of Administrative > Services. Normally, if no qualifying org. or local govt. puts in for it, > it goes to periodic auctions in Atlanta, Albany ( I think), and > Swainsboro. The last is about an hour's drive from me. > > A non-profit museum, educational org, or research inst. stands the only > realistic chance of getting hold of this kind of stuff before it's > dismembered, manuals and software lost, and scattered out to scrap > auctions. It's highly doubtful it'd be sold as a complete system, but I > could be wrong, so I'm looking into the possibility of setting something > up, or finding an existing party which qualifies, preferably in the state, > or at least the Southeast. Let me know if you're interested in putting > heads together on this. > > Thanks, > jbdigriz

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg Anyone have any architectural or performance info for this machine? I assume it's a memory-to-memory vector machine like the earlier Cybers? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Corvus Floppy Drive?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atari-history.com> wrote: > Thanks for the info. If you happen by a Corvus floppy in the future, > keep me in mind, I'd be interested in it. Now if I can find some spec's > on the 4 bus slots it would be fun to try and build a controller. I did a Did you get any disks? The bus slots are similar to Apple ][ slots. In fact I think the Concept hard disk controller is really the Apple ][ Corvus parallel-interface hard disk controller. You probably want to webulate to <http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/corvus/> where you will find several scanned manuals including: ConceptHWRef.pdf - the Concept Hardware Reference ConceptServiceMan.pdf - the Concept service manual Somewhere I have a (photocopied) schematic of the 8" floppy disk controller too. I'll see if I can dig that out and scan it. -Frank McConnell

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IRC channel?

by jss＠subatomix.com

Is there an IRC channel frequented by retrocomputing types? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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SMD Hard Disks

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 13, 15:12, Jochen Kunz wrote: > You need a 60 pin flat ribbon cable that goes to the drives in a bus topology > with the last dive terminated. (Much like SCSI) Then you need a separate > 24 (26?) pin flat ribbon cable per drive from the controller to each drive. > Should be easy to get the components and crimp the cables. You might get away with ordinary ribbon cable, which usually has a characteristic impedance around 100-120 ohms, for short distances, but the A cable is really supposed to be 30 twisted pair ribbon cable (one trade name is Twist-n-Flat), characteristic impedance 100 ohms. It's wired pin 1 to pin 1 ... pin 60 to pin 60. The B cable is supposed to be 26-pin flat shielded cable, with a drain wire, characteristic impedance 130 ohms. It's also wired pin-to-pin. The lengths don't matter, as long as they're within the limits: 35 feet for the A cable and 50 feet for the B cables. How useful it is to have the daisy-chain cable shorter than the radial cables, I don't know :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cromemco (was: Xenix ?)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> Subject: Re: Xenix ? On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, M H Stein wrote: > -----------Original Message---------- --------------Original Message------------------ > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > Subject: Re: Xenix ? > > Don Maslin wrote: > > Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a Z-80 version of Xenix > > and, if not, then there was none for the Model II. > > The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the > 6809 and > <snip> > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Don't forget Z80 Cromix... > > mike And Minix, but none of them are really Xenix. - don -------------------------------------------------------- I was just responding to the "only OS... was OS/9" (not suggesting it was Xenix (or Unix)), since a lot of misinformation on the 'Net erroneously states that Cromix was for the 68000 (for which it was indeed later adapted). Some pictures and background info on Cromemco & Cromix at http://www-db.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/3-5-CROMEMCO.html And a list of Unix derivatives: http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~jdm/classes/cs258/OScat/unix.html And how to become an author: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/show-interview/s-m-obellarkg/104-6433823-… mike

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > > Here's a picture of John at the console demonstrating the machine to a > > group of us at the last VCF Europa: > > How big is it in total? This photo might yield up a clue: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg -dq

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Eight-inch

by optimus＠canit.se

I visited a shop in "Siberia" which I hadn't visited in a long time today. they had redecorated, and in the inner-most room, they had a "50% off" shelf. They had several sealed packs of eight-inch floppies, BASF-made. Their price? Five crowns! And then fifty percent off that, that's 2,50, or 25 US cents. I got two to begin with (I only had some change, and wans't aware that the discount was referring to the 5 kr merchandise. I also got some Token Ring NICs, a TR cable and a sealed case of 5?" DD floppies at the same price. Some things I did't get: A lot of WANG things; several ISA cards with BNC and TNC connectors, printer adaptors (boxes with BNC and Centronics connectors), baluns. Original Novell NE2000 cards. Bad cards, but nice to some collectors, I suppose, and useful for programmers. Odd PhoneNet concentrators. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. IRAQ, 10984 GHz, V Getting TV from Iraq at all is kinda cool - you can get propaganda in English at 1900 BST, and see the guy with the moustache almost any time. When they show anime it's even cooler... Geoff Cowie

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Pyramid 90x

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I received an offer of this machine I no longer have space. If someone is interested in picking this up in Ottawa let me know. If you're making a trip I may even throw in a PDP 11/34 ! > >I have an old Pyramid 90x (about equivalent to a VAX 11-780 and the size >of two refrigerators) gathering dust in my garage. It might never run >again and the OS tapes, etc. as well as a few cables are long gone. But >if you're interested you're welcome to it. > Collector of Vintage Computers (www.ncf.ca/~ba600)

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by tony.eros＠machm.org

Hmm... Any chance that it runs PLATO? I'd be happy to help with a coordinated rescue. I live in Delaware, but have been doing some weekly travel to Atlanta to work on a project. - Tony At 09:49 AM 11/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Forwarded from COMP.SYS.CDC; please direct replies to the >original poster... -doug q > >"James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> wrote in message >news:<9spg2t$qia$1(a)ns2.i16.net>... > > A source tells me the current plan is to sell the UGA Cyber 960 being > > decommissioned in Athens, for scrap. Anybody here interested in trying to > > save it? Hate to see it scrapped. There can't be that many of them left. > > > > The University System doesn't dispose of surplus property itself in the > > State of Georgia. This is handled by the Department of Administrative > > Services. Normally, if no qualifying org. or local govt. puts in for it, > > it goes to periodic auctions in Atlanta, Albany ( I think), and > > Swainsboro. The last is about an hour's drive from me. > > > > A non-profit museum, educational org, or research inst. stands the only > > realistic chance of getting hold of this kind of stuff before it's > > dismembered, manuals and software lost, and scattered out to scrap > > auctions. It's highly doubtful it'd be sold as a complete system, but I > > could be wrong, so I'm looking into the possibility of setting something > > up, or finding an existing party which qualifies, preferably in the state, > > or at least the Southeast. Let me know if you're interested in putting > > heads together on this. > > > > Thanks, > > jbdigriz

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Corvus Floppy Drive?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atari-history.com> wrote: > My quest for the elusive Corvus Concept finally ended as I was able to > obtain one of the beastie's in excellent shape. There is mention of a disk > drive for the system, I'm wondering if there are any other Concept owners > out there who have explored the inner workings of the unit. Congratulations! Corvus made 8" and 5.25" floppy drives for the Concept, and matching controller(s) that fit in one of the Concept's slots. The controller(s) are based on the WD1793 FDC. The 8" disk drive is a Tandon half-height 8" (848?) in a box with power supply. Nothing special except it says "Corvus Systems" on the box. The 5.25" disk drive...well, I can't remember: (a) whether it used the same controller as the 8" (b) if so, what they did to get from the 50-pin connector on the controller to the 34-pin connector on the drive Most Concept floppies that I've seen have been 8", and I've only seen one of the 5.25" drives. -Frank McConnell

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yet another NeXT question

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>I've never used my OD. ... >....Since it would be useless when I get a >33mhz motherboard, why bother? Well, you *could* make it useful. Do the hack to install your old 25 MHz mainboard in one of the alternate slots. Put the new 33 MHz mainboard in the traditional slot. Connect both to your ethernetwork. Have the 25 MHz net-boot from the 33 MHz, or boot it off its own optical (but I'd have it net-boot, so you can use the optical for backups or whatever). I dunno what your power supply would think of all this, particularly if that's the same system you have the Dimension in, so I recommend some caution, but if it works it'll be pretty cool. You'd still be able to access the OD, via the 25 MHz board (which you could also set up as a print server), but all your console programs would get the benefit of the 33 MHz board. - Mark

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Lifting stuff into racks

by beesley＠mandrake.demon.co.uk

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: Lifting stuff into racks On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 Sellam Ismail wrote: > I think we could learn a lot from the Egyptians in this matter. Too bad > they didn't leave behind a reference guide. Allegedly, they left a guide but it's in an unreadable format. The archaeologists are still arguing whether to blame Sellam's drives or Dick's disks ;-) Phil ----- Mac OS X: It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it...

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9-Track Tapes available

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, My division of SwRI is getting rid of a large pile (appx. 1000) 9-track tapes. They are 8 inch and 10 inch sized reels, 1600 to 6250 bpi, Scotch Black Watch 777 brand (for the most part). I'm going to collect all the ones headed for the trash, stack them in my office, and either put them in the right hands or transfer them to the dumpster a few at a time if no-one is interested. Please contact me off-line (mtapley(a)swri.edu) if you are willing to pay shipping in order to have some of these show up at your door. I'm in San Antonio, Texas, USA, zip code 78238, for purposes of calculating postage. Data on the tapes is probably NASA satellite data; it need not and will not be erased, so you can peruse it or erase the tape at your convenience. - Mark

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Forwarded from COMP.SYS.CDC; please direct replies to the > > original poster... -doug q > > The only person I know who might truly be interested in acquiring this > beast is John Zabolitzky in Munich, Germany. But he already has one > complete system, UP AND RUNNING even. > > Here's a picture of John at the console demonstrating the machine to a > group of us at the last VCF Europa: > > http://www.siconic.com/crap/John%20Zabolitzky%20Demonstraing%2 > 0Cyber%20960%204.jpg Sellam, you're the most prominent fixture in the picture! > Other than he, the only organization that I know would be capable of > retrieving and storing this machine is the Computer History Museum here in > the Sillycon Valley. They might not consider the 180/960 worth having, it's not a historical machine, well, yes, "last of the line" would be considered historical... at least I *think* this was the last model (in the line that trails back to the 6600).

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Here's a picture of John at the console demonstrating the machine to a > > > group of us at the last VCF Europa: > > > > How big is it in total? > > This photo might yield up a clue: > > http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg Ooooohhhh what a beautiful machine! The Dell box in the foreground really offends my sensibilities, though. I wonder what it would take for me (someone with NO spending money right now) to get that machine... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Xenix ?

by pechter＠ureach.com

---- On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Eric J. Korpela (korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu) wrote: > > Actually Xenix was never a Microsoft branded product. > > Maybe true, but it was certainly plastered with Microsoft copyrights. > All the > scripts and headers in the Tandy 16/6000 version were copyright > Microsoft. > > > Then again Xenix was the clear proof that M$ can not even compy a > great OS > > correctly. I remember using a version of Xenix that only allowed 8.3 > > naming of files (like M$-DOS)! Typical M$ "innovation"... pheb! > > I doubt it. I think early versions of Xenix had the v7 filename > limits. > I've never seen one that recognized extensions as anything special. > > Eric > > > I've never seen the 8.3 in Xenix... IIRC Microsoft had the SysV standard 13 character file names in Xenix like SysIII (and IIRC v7). It was BSD which did symbolic links and IIRC 255 character file names in the 4.2 BSD Fast File System... SysV got this in SVR4 (about 1989 or so)... Research had this in Edition 10... Bill

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microvax 3 info: ka650-ba is single user?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > Looking to upgrade one of my Mv2's and came across > > an auction item with a ka650-ba with 2 16 meg mem > > cards. The price is right - but it goes on to explain that > > the -ba is a single user cpu - which seems silly to me. > > Is there some special thing about this cpu that will only let > > it run single license VMs or Ultrix? I can't see how they > > limit that. Is the this bullsh*t? I can't find any google refs > > that will support the single user claim.. > > The -BA was the VAXserver model, which has a different license > from the -AA. The only difference is the ROMs. Hmm...I think I have a KA650-AA; if the difference is just the ROMs I'd be happy to burn a set for you, Heinz... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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microvax 3 info: ka650-ba is single user?

by h.wolter＠sympatico.ca

Looking to upgrade one of my Mv2's and came across an auction item with a ka650-ba with 2 16 meg mem cards. The price is right - but it goes on to explain that the -ba is a single user cpu - which seems silly to me. Is there some special thing about this cpu that will only let it run single license VMs or Ultrix? I can't see how they limit that. Is the this bullsh*t? I can't find any google refs that will support the single user claim.. regards, Heinz

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hmm... Any chance that it runs PLATO? I'd be happy to help with a > coordinated rescue. I live in Delaware, but have been doing some weekly > travel to Atlanta to work on a project. ISTR that they were a PLATO site, but I've no idea whether this system was running it or not. Yes, it should run, given the proper peripheral equipment (again ISTR PLATO had unique site hardware requirements). Bear in mind that PLATO is a commercial product still marketed as NovaNET (I believe it's getting yet another name at this moment), so you'd be hard pressed to get legal permission to run it. I suppose you've seen my gallery of PLATO (NovaNET) screen shots; I need to get them moved to the site Jay West said he'd make available so I can add the second gallery. -dq

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Xenix ?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu, > > > > No, the 8086 is a 16-bit cpu with a 16-bit data path; the 8088 > > otoh is a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit datapath (or a 16-bit multiplexed > > data path, if you prefer). > > You have not tried to program it have you? There are too many limitations that > catch you off guard. The 6809 is a better 16 bit processor than the intel product. > Just what a 16 bit cpu is a gray area other than 8080,6502,1802 are 8 bits and the > PDP-11 is 16 bit cpu. I'm not gonna get in a snow-marking match on hours spent under the hood... however you are correct in that it's not a very orthogonal processor, and non-orthanogoanl machines are indeed full of "gotcha"s. Having started with orthogonal machines like the CDC-6600 and IBM 370/158, I found even the 8-bit 8080 a pain to work with, and wrote macros to do all the really important work. I carried that forward to my 8086/8 days, and thus didn't have much in the way of difficulty. I had arithmetic macros for 8, 16, and 32-bit operations, and macros to do conversions between them. I worked briefly with the 6800, and more recently, the 6802, and they are certainly a bit more orthogonal, but still too primitive for my tastes. A Coco running OS/9 might be in my future but I wouldn't spend anything for one, it'd have to be free. As to the distinction, I bow to Allison's better wording. Regards, -dq

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Xenix ?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu, No, the 8086 is a 16-bit cpu with a 16-bit data path; the 8088 otoh is a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit datapath (or a 16-bit multiplexed data path, if you prefer). Regards, -dq

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Xenix ?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> >> While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu, > >No, the 8086 is a 16-bit cpu with a 16-bit data path; the 8088 >otoh is a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit datapath (or a 16-bit multiplexed >data path, if you prefer). I'd rephrase the latter as: The 8088 has the same 16-bit core CPU as 8086 with an 8-bit wide _external_ datapath. Whats important about the 8088 is it was the first(or one of the first) to seperate the CPU core (control, alu and registers) from the bus interface. Then again you have Z280, an 8bit cpu with an 16bit wide external data path. Hows that for a switch? Allison

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FORTH for TRS Model 100

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Paul R. Santa-Maria may have mentioned these words: >I have AMPI (Amerifcan Micro Products, Inc.) FORTH with plastic case, >manual, and cassette tape (condition unknown) for the TRS Model 100. >Can anyone use this? > >Paul R. Santa-Maria >Monroe, Michigan USA Do you have any way of making a copy of this - for archival purposes? Rick Hanson of Club 100 might be intersted in archiving this for history's sake - he's been in the business of selling/supporting/refurbishing Model 100/102/200's since 1983. He can be contacted at rick(a)the-dock.com, and his website is: http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html -- and coming soon: http://www.club100.org/ Thanks! Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Xenix ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 11, Richard.Sandwell(a)roebry.co.uk wrote: > I have an Apricot Xen 'mainframe' which is a 286 based msdos generic from > 1986. Its not ibm compatible. Comically, it does have a copy of Windows V1 > on its disk which runs, well, like all versions of windows ;-) > Its role was a fileserver for an ms-net network, hence the awful > 'mainframe' name. I've always been intrigued that there was a port of > xenix available for this machine - anyone know anything about that, or > about xenix on a 286 based system in general? I ran SCO Xenix 286 on a few 286 systems back in 1988 or so. It was abyssmal. I don't remember much about it...I think I blocked it out. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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la120 (decwriter iii) spares (uk)

by james＠cs.york.ac.uk

we've recently decommisioned a couple of la120's at work. unfortunately, the drive mechanics and motors have been pinched for a robotics project, but the rest is sitting in a corridor waiting for a skip to pass. does anyone have any use for the remaining bits? both units were in working order, so the power supplies and logic boards should be fine. -- J.F.Carter http://www.jfc.org.uk/

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Money order for the SE/30?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 13, John Lawson wrote: > > Did you ever receive my money order for the Macintosh SE/30? > > No, and I really could use that $5,000.00 right now... holidays coming > up, y'know. > > Remember that I'll throw in the original CRT *and* the actual HD out of > it, all for just another $3,500.00. > > E-mail me off-list and I'll give you my bank info for wire transfer. > > You still interested in the Lisa manual for $800??? > > Lemme know. You're a bad, bad man. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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For Sale/Trade... 68K Macs...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, all the Macs are spoken for, just have to nail down some details... ...except the LC-II. Any takers on that? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] ! Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:43 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) ! Subject: For Sale/Trade... 68K Macs... ! ! ! Pardon my Off Topic post, I know this isn't quite the ! right forum, ! but I'd like these to go to someone who'll appreciate them... ! ! - Mac LCII 6 MB RAM, 80 MB HDD, OS 7.6, missing battery (1/2 ! AA, 3.6 volt ! Lithium) ! - Mac SE/30, 8 MB RAM, 70 MB HDD, OS 7.1, Radius 64 KHz Full ! Page Display ! - Mac SE FDHD - Doesn't boot (yet) ! - Mac Classic II, 4 MB RAM, 140 MB HDD, OS 7.5 ! ! - No mice, keyboard or monitors... ! ! I can update the software some, and might have some other Apple ! software to go with them, from the Apple Service Source CD Set... ! Everything must go, ASAP. Moving from apartment to house soon... ! Make reasonable offer. ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! --- C & IS Support Specialist ! --- Yale University Press ! --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! --- (203) 432-0953 ! --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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