On November 15, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
> > > I strongly recommend doing so if you plan on working on pre-PC era
> > > machines. They do break. But repairing them can actually be quite
> >
> > I strongly recomend you learn electronics no matter what sort of
> > machine you work on.
>
> Well, that does it. I'm going to stay an extra few years at college and
> get a second degree: Electrical & Computer Engineering. Now, look what
> you've done, you bastards! :-)
Of course that won't necessarily mean you'll come out knowing
anything about electrical & computer engineering.
Oh wait, you didn't say "computer science". Nevermind.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On November 15, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> >Just announced on /., the venerable HP3000 line will join HP calculators
> >in HP's new "we don't want to do cool stuff anymore" business model.
>
> You're forgetting that PA-RISC is also in the same position. It's called
> "legacy", isn't it?
Of course. Anything non-Intel non-Windows is automatically
"legacy", remember?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
There's been some talk about Cromemco recently, and in one single Usenet post,
I read something about a Cromemco UNIX box actually being a DIAB design.
Presumably, this would be a 680[23]0 design. Do you have any ideas?
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical
reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat
to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods
I just acquired my first two Sun workstations. One is a 3/50, which came
>from a list member (thanks, and don't feel so bad about destroying my cell
phone :-) :-) ), and the other is a 3/60, which came from elsewhere. A
few monitors, keyboards, and drives made it in there somewhere, also. I
still have a Sparcserver 490 in my, um, "storage facility" (read: parents'
garage) that was a stowaway from a trip earlier this year. The Sun
collection has started.
Another list member graciously donated two RX01 units, which will
eventually make their way into some sort of PDP-11.
So far, I'm met 4 list members IRL. I hope to see more of you soon.
The biggest news is that I'm getting some more room. A LOT more room.
Of course, another way of looking at it is that my wife has decided she's
a lesbian, wants a divorce, and is moving in with her new girlfriend.
Either way you see it, I'm going to be making some changes around my
house. First, all of the traditional living space and sleeping space will
be compressed into one room. The bathroom, kitchen, and utility room will
retain their functions. The rest of the house will become my
retrocomputing playpen. The detached garage, now devoid of her car, will
make a great storage area for stuff I'm not actively playing with. I
don't have a large house, but all in all, I estimate I'm getting about 500
to 750 additional square feet to do stuff in.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
>Anyone out there have a HD50, 4 bay external SCSI enclosure they are
>willing to part with (trade/money/etc.)? I've noticed that I've accumulated
>a small pile of old IDC50 1gig SCSI drives and I have decided to actually
>use them instead of allow them to keep my computer room door propped open.
>I've verified that they work, etc, but my little case cannot fit more than
>2 drives (yes, a sucky mid-tower) and logically, an external would suit my
>needs. Finding them on ebay is like looking to pay porshe prices for a
>yugo. I last saw one (actually a 2 bay HD50) go for about $130 US, USED
>without power supply! Is there anyone out there willing to help spare my
>sanity for my SCSI obscession? Maybe it will give me room to play with my
>2X SCSI CD-ROM drive and 250Meg Tape Drive...
I "built" one of these a while back. I bought a cable from MCM
Electronics (Cent on each end, and 4 IDC in the middle). I think the
cable was about $40. I then stuck my drives (a CD burner and an HD, with
2 spaces to spare), into a spare PC computer case (I paid $20 on the case
with a 250 watt PS included). The case gave me access to 4 5.25 1/2
height bays, and 2 3.5 bays (all bays are external, no additional
internal, however, since there was no logic board, I could mount things
on their side using that space if I had wanted to). For heat venting, I
placed an extra case fan (I used one of those slot mount ones since I had
it on hand). I also scrounged up some old slot plates that fit the
centronics connectors on the back (don't remember where I got them, but I
had them from something... I think you can buy them for a buck or two).
It worked very well for about a year, then I needed the case for a PC,
and I had upgraded my internal HD so I no longer needed the extra SCSI
drive. Now the CD burner sits on top of an old external Jasmine HD case
so I can use the PS and IDC to Cent cable from it (since the Jasmine
drive is LONG since dead anyway).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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Just a quick note about the rather neat computer party we're organising:
The Alternative Party is basically about collecting a wide variety
of alternative demo platforms together into an event for people who love
machines with personality, and who are trying to create demos with them.
Previously we've seen Falcons, Amigas, C64s, a Vectrex, a Commodore
PET, a Telmac, Spectrums, UNIX workstations etc. etc. We are also combining
all of this with experimental and alternative art. Some artists who will be
playing live at the 3-day event: Pnmf!, Tero M?yr?nen (plays live music with
synths and a C64), Telamurska, Happo, Analogia, No I Aint.
It will take place in Helsinki, Finland from the 11th of January to the 13th.
For more information contact me or visit the website,
http://www.altparty.org/ (check the archive for an invitro from Wildfire
for the Falcon!).
In addition, we've set up an area for collecting together information about
cool machines and interesting art, or the "Alternative Wiki". Absolutely
anybody can contribute information to it by clicking "Edit Text" at the
bottom of any page, and add new pages freely. If there are people here who
would like to contribute, please do! The Alternative Wiki can be found at
http://www.altparty.org/wiki/.
Hope to see some of you there.
--
Kristoffer Lawson | Setok / Aggression | Main Alternative Party organiser
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-----------Original Message----------
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Xenix ?
Don Maslin wrote:
> Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a Z-80 version of Xenix
> and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
6809 and
<snip>
----------------------------------------------------------
Don't forget Z80 Cromix...
mike
Over the last few weeks I have found a few items, slim pickings right
now.
- IBM 3174 1L controller with 2 terminals and keyboards
- Tandy color computer ext floppy disk drive model FD501
- 20+ cartridges for Atari 2600, Jaguar, and Game Gear
- A Nintendo R. O. B. just the robot missing battery cover. It was $2
so I got it as a spare.
- a Microline model 701-A 5V power supply, not sure what it goes with
- 20+ mousepads
- New in the box 2 TI joysticks for the TI99/4A
- Apple III diskware program System Demonstration
- digital VT100-AA terminal
- Several books and manuals were also added to the collection
The rest of the items are not old enough to list.
> > > > > http://www.siconic.com/crap/John%20Zabolitzky%20Demonstraing%2
> > > > > 0Cyber%20960%204.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Sellam, you're the most prominent fixture in the picture!
> > >
> > > Actually, that's John Zabolitzky at the console. My hair is
> > > not nearly that gray (yet, in spite of it all ;)
> >
> > But aren't you the guy on the left? I was talking in terms
> > of the photo's area...
>
> If that was me on the left, that would have been some pretty slick picture
> taking, since I'm the one who shot it.
heh... hey, I've heard that they have cameras
like that out in California... -dq
> On November 14, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > > > From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's?
> > >
> > > Early 1980s.
> > >
> > > > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)?
> > >
> > > No. Just a mainframe.
> >
> > Yup. Though, it's great-grampa was a supercomputer. The
> > first, in fact.
>
> I assume you mean the 6600. *sigh* *drool*
A friend has a core stack from the one we used to have in Bloomington, IN...
as well as a platter from one of the Bryant drives. I have a roll
of black, blank, oiled (pretty dry now) paper tape from the CDC's
high-speed punch/reader. And my manuals, still... and the emulator,
under construction, *slowly* under construction...
Oh, I found an *EOI* (end-of-information) card the other day,
that was a 6/7/8/9 punch in column 1...
-dq
While trying to get the 8K BASIC to work with the Altair emulator, I've
figured-out that there must be some way for the user to define, using the
sense switches, which I/O ports could be used for the console.
Does anyone have the manual for 8K BASIC or handwritten notes on the topic?
I need to find the definition of the switches at startup because I'm losing
console input on the emulator when using 8K BASIC.
Thanks.
==========================
Richard A. Cini, Jr.
Congress Financial Corporation
1133 Avenue of the Americas
30th Floor
New York, NY 10036
(212) 545-4402
(212) 840-6259 (facsimile)
Rich-
I'll check the manual tonight.
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:31 PM
> To: 'ClassCompList'
> Subject: Altair 8K BASIC configuration
>
>
> While trying to get the 8K BASIC to work with the Altair
> emulator, I've
> figured-out that there must be some way for the user to
> define, using the
> sense switches, which I/O ports could be used for the console.
>
> Does anyone have the manual for 8K BASIC or handwritten notes
> on the topic?
> I need to find the definition of the switches at startup
> because I'm losing
> console input on the emulator when using 8K BASIC.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ==========================
> Richard A. Cini, Jr.
> Congress Financial Corporation
> 1133 Avenue of the Americas
> 30th Floor
> New York, NY 10036
> (212) 545-4402
> (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)
>
On November 14, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > > From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's?
> >
> > Early 1980s.
> >
> > > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)?
> >
> > No. Just a mainframe.
>
> Yup. Though, it's great-grampa was a supercomputer. The
> first, in fact.
I assume you mean the 6600. *sigh* *drool*
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> > > http://www.siconic.com/crap/John%20Zabolitzky%20Demonstraing%2
> > > 0Cyber%20960%204.jpg
> >
> > Sellam, you're the most prominent fixture in the picture!
>
> Actually, that's John Zabolitzky at the console. My hair is
> not nearly that gray (yet, in spite of it all ;)
But aren't you the guy on the left? I was talking in terms
of the photo's area...
> I would consider it historical if just because it's not manufactured
> anymore, and I'm sure they would too. At any rate, ten years from now it
> will be sorely missed if no one takes the initiative to rescue it now.
Agreed!
-dq
> > From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's?
>
> Early 1980s.
>
> > Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)?
>
> No. Just a mainframe.
Yup. Though, it's great-grampa was a supercomputer. The
first, in fact.
-dq
> > Anyone have any architectural or performance info for this machine?
>
> Good info at:
>
> http://www.tno.nl/instit/fel/museum/computer/en/cdcsystE.html
>
> > I assume it's a memory-to-memory vector machine like the earlier Cybers?
>
> I do not think the 180s were vector machines. They may have had some
> vector capabilities, but they were never number crunchers. I have heard
> some people say (may be in jest) that the 180s I/O processors were faster
> than the main processor.
The Cyber 960 was not in the same model line as the Cyber 205,
which was the successor (or one of the successors) to the CDC STAR,
the vector-processor line to which you refer.
Regards,
-dq
> From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's?
> Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)?
Its primary architecture dates from the early 1960s. That
was the 60-bit architecture designed by Seymour Cray. But
this model also implements a virtual-mode in which the CPU
operates in 64-bit mode.
The 960 was a machine of mid-1980s manufacture; they were
being sold through the early 1990s.
Tidbit: "The Cyber 960 and all its peripherals took up approximately
1,800 square feet of space and required over 20 tons of air
conditioning to keep cool."
-http://www.csustan.edu/oit/banner/cyber.html
The Georgia machine:
http://www.usg.edu/oiit/pubs/update/spring2000/article5.html
GIT was still running PLATO as recently as 1990, but was
considering migration to NovaNET.
Hi all.
Things are progressing nicely.
The core board is tested and works. I get the monitor prompt
on the VT220 terminal connected to the RS-232 interface.
That means there is also software for it. Go to the updated page
http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/homebrew/startframe.html
Next steps are:
1) adjust monitor software so it runs without the RAM 5565 chip
2) build the I/O ports interface board
3) write the "low-level" in- and output routines
4) write the "stand-alone" pattern SW (the Cylon-eye on the DATA LEDs)
5) the real work: interface with Ersatz-11 (..John?)
The monitor software (e11-6802.zip) already contains some SW
but that has not yet ran; it just assembles without errors ...
- Henk.
I have the manual somewhere that explains this.
I add a patch that makes the console output appear on the VDM-1.
Other choices are teletype, etc.
Unfortunately, I have temporarily misplaced this all.
I have no idea when I will find it.
If anyone else can help, please do so.
-Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Cini, Richard [SMTP:RCini@congressfinancial.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:31 PM
To: 'ClassCompList'
Subject: Altair 8K BASIC configuration
While trying to get the 8K BASIC to work with the Altair emulator, I've
figured-out that there must be some way for the user to define, using the
sense switches, which I/O ports could be used for the console.
Does anyone have the manual for 8K BASIC or handwritten notes on the topic?
I need to find the definition of the switches at startup because I'm losing
console input on the emulator when using 8K BASIC.
Thanks.
==========================
Richard A. Cini, Jr.
Congress Financial Corporation
1133 Avenue of the Americas
30th Floor
New York, NY 10036
(212) 545-4402
(212) 840-6259 (facsimile)
Finally dug again and found the TECO manuals I talked about a few
weeks ago. Two books:
The bigger one: (1/2" thick or so)
---------------
cover: "decsystem10 TECO"
first page: document number: DEC-10-ETEE-D
"decsystem 10 TECO
TEXT EDITOR AND CORRECTOR PROGRAM
PROGRAMMER'S REFERENCE MANUAL
This manual reflects the software as of version 23
of TECO"
copyright: 1968,69,70,71,72
The smaller one: (1/8" thick or so)
---------------
cover: "decsystem 10 INTRODUCTION TO TECO (TEXT EDITOR AND CORRECTOR)
first page: document number: DEC-10-UTECA-A-D
"This document reflects the software as of version 23
of TECO"
copyright: 1971,72,73,74,75 (third printing, june 1975)
If there's enough interest, and nobody else has already put these
online somewhere, I'll get these scanned to JPG, TIF, or PDF this
weekend.
Bill
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
On November 14, Chandra Bajpai wrote:
> >From what era is the Cyber 960 from? 1960's?
> Is it considered a supercomputer (in it's day)?
This would be a mid-80's system I believe.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
Forwarded from COMP.SYS.CDC; please direct replies to the
original poster... -doug q
"James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> wrote in message
news:<9spg2t$qia$1(a)ns2.i16.net>...
> A source tells me the current plan is to sell the UGA Cyber 960 being
> decommissioned in Athens, for scrap. Anybody here interested in trying to
> save it? Hate to see it scrapped. There can't be that many of them left.
>
> The University System doesn't dispose of surplus property itself in the
> State of Georgia. This is handled by the Department of Administrative
> Services. Normally, if no qualifying org. or local govt. puts in for it,
> it goes to periodic auctions in Atlanta, Albany ( I think), and
> Swainsboro. The last is about an hour's drive from me.
>
> A non-profit museum, educational org, or research inst. stands the only
> realistic chance of getting hold of this kind of stuff before it's
> dismembered, manuals and software lost, and scattered out to scrap
> auctions. It's highly doubtful it'd be sold as a complete system, but I
> could be wrong, so I'm looking into the possibility of setting something
> up, or finding an existing party which qualifies, preferably in the state,
> or at least the Southeast. Let me know if you're interested in putting
> heads together on this.
>
> Thanks,
> jbdigriz
On November 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg
Anyone have any architectural or performance info for this machine?
I assume it's a memory-to-memory vector machine like the earlier Cybers?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
"Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atari-history.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info. If you happen by a Corvus floppy in the future,
> keep me in mind, I'd be interested in it. Now if I can find some spec's
> on the 4 bus slots it would be fun to try and build a controller. I did a
Did you get any disks?
The bus slots are similar to Apple ][ slots. In fact I think
the Concept hard disk controller is really the Apple ][ Corvus
parallel-interface hard disk controller.
You probably want to webulate to
<http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/corvus/> where you will find several
scanned manuals including:
ConceptHWRef.pdf - the Concept Hardware Reference
ConceptServiceMan.pdf - the Concept service manual
Somewhere I have a (photocopied) schematic of the 8" floppy disk
controller too. I'll see if I can dig that out and scan it.
-Frank McConnell
On Nov 13, 15:12, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> You need a 60 pin flat ribbon cable that goes to the drives in a bus
topology
> with the last dive terminated. (Much like SCSI) Then you need a separate
> 24 (26?) pin flat ribbon cable per drive from the controller to each
drive.
> Should be easy to get the components and crimp the cables.
You might get away with ordinary ribbon cable, which usually has a
characteristic impedance around 100-120 ohms, for short distances, but the
A cable is really supposed to be 30 twisted pair ribbon cable (one trade
name
is Twist-n-Flat), characteristic impedance 100 ohms. It's wired pin 1 to
pin 1 ... pin 60 to pin 60. The B cable is supposed to be 26-pin flat
shielded cable, with a drain wire, characteristic impedance 130 ohms. It's
also wired pin-to-pin.
The lengths don't matter, as long as they're within the limits: 35 feet for
the A cable and 50 feet for the B cables. How useful it is to have the
daisy-chain cable shorter than the radial cables, I don't know :-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:42:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
Subject: Re: Xenix ?
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, M H Stein wrote:
> -----------Original Message----------
--------------Original Message------------------
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700
> From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
> Subject: Re: Xenix ?
>
> Don Maslin wrote:
> > Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a Z-80 version of Xenix
> > and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
>
> The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
> 6809 and
> <snip>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Don't forget Z80 Cromix...
>
> mike
And Minix, but none of them are really Xenix.
- don
--------------------------------------------------------
I was just responding to the "only OS... was OS/9" (not suggesting it
was Xenix (or Unix)), since a lot of misinformation on the 'Net
erroneously states that Cromix was for the 68000 (for which it was
indeed later adapted).
Some pictures and background info on Cromemco & Cromix at
http://www-db.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/3-5-CROMEMCO.html
And a list of Unix derivatives:
http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~jdm/classes/cs258/OScat/unix.html
And how to become an author:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/show-interview/s-m-obellarkg/104-6433823-…
mike
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
>
> > Here's a picture of John at the console demonstrating the machine to a
> > group of us at the last VCF Europa:
>
> How big is it in total?
This photo might yield up a clue:
http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg
-dq
I visited a shop in "Siberia" which I hadn't visited in a long time today.
they had redecorated, and in the inner-most room, they had a "50% off" shelf.
They had several sealed packs of eight-inch floppies, BASF-made. Their price?
Five crowns! And then fifty percent off that, that's 2,50, or 25 US cents. I
got two to begin with (I only had some change, and wans't aware that the
discount was referring to the 5 kr merchandise. I also got some Token Ring
NICs, a TR cable and a sealed case of 5?" DD floppies at the same price.
Some things I did't get:
A lot of WANG things; several ISA cards with BNC and TNC connectors, printer
adaptors (boxes with BNC and Centronics connectors), baluns.
Original Novell NE2000 cards. Bad cards, but nice to some collectors, I
suppose, and useful for programmers.
Odd PhoneNet concentrators.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
IRAQ, 10984 GHz, V
Getting TV from Iraq at all is kinda cool - you can get propaganda in English
at 1900 BST, and see the guy with the moustache almost any time. When they
show anime it's even cooler...
Geoff Cowie
I received an offer of this machine I no longer have space. If
someone is interested in picking this up in Ottawa let me know. If
you're making a trip I may even throw in a PDP 11/34 !
>
>I have an old Pyramid 90x (about equivalent to a VAX 11-780 and the
size
>of two refrigerators) gathering dust in my garage. It might never
run
>again and the OS tapes, etc. as well as a few cables are long gone.
But
>if you're interested you're welcome to it.
>
Collector of Vintage Computers (www.ncf.ca/~ba600)
Hmm... Any chance that it runs PLATO? I'd be happy to help with a
coordinated rescue. I live in Delaware, but have been doing some weekly
travel to Atlanta to work on a project.
- Tony
At 09:49 AM 11/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Forwarded from COMP.SYS.CDC; please direct replies to the
>original poster... -doug q
>
>"James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> wrote in message
>news:<9spg2t$qia$1(a)ns2.i16.net>...
> > A source tells me the current plan is to sell the UGA Cyber 960 being
> > decommissioned in Athens, for scrap. Anybody here interested in trying to
> > save it? Hate to see it scrapped. There can't be that many of them left.
> >
> > The University System doesn't dispose of surplus property itself in the
> > State of Georgia. This is handled by the Department of Administrative
> > Services. Normally, if no qualifying org. or local govt. puts in for it,
> > it goes to periodic auctions in Atlanta, Albany ( I think), and
> > Swainsboro. The last is about an hour's drive from me.
> >
> > A non-profit museum, educational org, or research inst. stands the only
> > realistic chance of getting hold of this kind of stuff before it's
> > dismembered, manuals and software lost, and scattered out to scrap
> > auctions. It's highly doubtful it'd be sold as a complete system, but I
> > could be wrong, so I'm looking into the possibility of setting something
> > up, or finding an existing party which qualifies, preferably in the state,
> > or at least the Southeast. Let me know if you're interested in putting
> > heads together on this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > jbdigriz
"Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atari-history.com> wrote:
> My quest for the elusive Corvus Concept finally ended as I was able to
> obtain one of the beastie's in excellent shape. There is mention of a disk
> drive for the system, I'm wondering if there are any other Concept owners
> out there who have explored the inner workings of the unit.
Congratulations!
Corvus made 8" and 5.25" floppy drives for the Concept, and matching
controller(s) that fit in one of the Concept's slots. The
controller(s) are based on the WD1793 FDC.
The 8" disk drive is a Tandon half-height 8" (848?) in a box with
power supply. Nothing special except it says "Corvus Systems" on the
box.
The 5.25" disk drive...well, I can't remember:
(a) whether it used the same controller as the 8"
(b) if so, what they did to get from the 50-pin connector on the
controller to the 34-pin connector on the drive
Most Concept floppies that I've seen have been 8", and I've only seen
one of the 5.25" drives.
-Frank McConnell
>I've never used my OD. ...
>....Since it would be useless when I get a
>33mhz motherboard, why bother?
Well, you *could* make it useful. Do the hack to install your old
25 MHz mainboard in one of the alternate slots. Put the new 33 MHz
mainboard in the traditional slot. Connect both to your ethernetwork. Have
the 25 MHz net-boot from the 33 MHz, or boot it off its own optical (but
I'd have it net-boot, so
you can use the optical for backups or whatever).
I dunno what your power supply would think of all this,
particularly if that's the same system you have the Dimension in, so I
recommend some caution, but if it works it'll be pretty cool. You'd still
be able to access the OD, via the 25 MHz board (which you could also set up
as a print server), but all your console programs would get the benefit of
the 33 MHz board.
- Mark
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:18:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>
Subject: Re: Lifting stuff into racks
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 Sellam Ismail wrote:
> I think we could learn a lot from the Egyptians in this matter. Too
bad
> they didn't leave behind a reference guide.
Allegedly, they left a guide but it's in an unreadable format. The
archaeologists are still arguing whether to blame Sellam's drives or
Dick's disks ;-)
Phil
-----
Mac OS X: It's Unix, Jim, but not as we know it...
All,
My division of SwRI is getting rid of a large pile (appx. 1000)
9-track tapes. They are 8 inch and 10 inch sized reels, 1600 to 6250 bpi,
Scotch Black Watch 777 brand (for the most part).
I'm going to collect all the ones headed for the trash, stack them
in my office, and either put them in the right hands or transfer them to
the dumpster a few at a time if no-one is interested.
Please contact me off-line (mtapley(a)swri.edu) if you are willing to
pay shipping in order to have some of these show up at your door. I'm in
San Antonio, Texas, USA, zip code 78238, for purposes of calculating
postage.
Data on the tapes is probably NASA satellite data; it need not and
will not be erased, so you can peruse it or erase the tape at your
convenience.
- Mark
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>
> > Forwarded from COMP.SYS.CDC; please direct replies to the
> > original poster... -doug q
>
> The only person I know who might truly be interested in acquiring this
> beast is John Zabolitzky in Munich, Germany. But he already has one
> complete system, UP AND RUNNING even.
>
> Here's a picture of John at the console demonstrating the machine to a
> group of us at the last VCF Europa:
>
> http://www.siconic.com/crap/John%20Zabolitzky%20Demonstraing%2
> 0Cyber%20960%204.jpg
Sellam, you're the most prominent fixture in the picture!
> Other than he, the only organization that I know would be capable of
> retrieving and storing this machine is the Computer History Museum here in
> the Sillycon Valley.
They might not consider the 180/960 worth having, it's not a
historical machine, well, yes, "last of the line" would be
considered historical... at least I *think* this was the last
model (in the line that trails back to the 6600).
On November 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > > Here's a picture of John at the console demonstrating the machine to a
> > > group of us at the last VCF Europa:
> >
> > How big is it in total?
>
> This photo might yield up a clue:
>
> http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg
Ooooohhhh what a beautiful machine! The Dell box in the foreground
really offends my sensibilities, though.
I wonder what it would take for me (someone with NO spending money
right now) to get that machine...
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
---- On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Eric J. Korpela
(korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> > Actually Xenix was never a Microsoft
branded product.
>
> Maybe true, but it was certainly plastered
with Microsoft copyrights.
> All the
> scripts and headers in the Tandy 16/6000
version were copyright
> Microsoft.
>
> > Then again Xenix was the clear proof
that M$ can not even compy a
> great OS
> > correctly. I remember using a version of
Xenix that only allowed 8.3
> > naming of files (like M$-DOS)! Typical
M$ "innovation"... pheb!
>
> I doubt it. I think early versions of
Xenix had the v7 filename
> limits.
> I've never seen one that recognized
extensions as anything special.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
I've never seen the 8.3 in Xenix...
IIRC Microsoft had the SysV standard 13
character file names in Xenix like SysIII
(and IIRC v7).
It was BSD which did symbolic links and IIRC
255 character file names in the 4.2 BSD
Fast File System... SysV got this in SVR4
(about 1989 or so)...
Research had this in Edition 10...
Bill
On November 13, Eric Dittman wrote:
> > Looking to upgrade one of my Mv2's and came across
> > an auction item with a ka650-ba with 2 16 meg mem
> > cards. The price is right - but it goes on to explain that
> > the -ba is a single user cpu - which seems silly to me.
> > Is there some special thing about this cpu that will only let
> > it run single license VMs or Ultrix? I can't see how they
> > limit that. Is the this bullsh*t? I can't find any google refs
> > that will support the single user claim..
>
> The -BA was the VAXserver model, which has a different license
> from the -AA. The only difference is the ROMs.
Hmm...I think I have a KA650-AA; if the difference is just the ROMs
I'd be happy to burn a set for you, Heinz...
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
Looking to upgrade one of my Mv2's and came across
an auction item with a ka650-ba with 2 16 meg mem
cards. The price is right - but it goes on to explain that
the -ba is a single user cpu - which seems silly to me.
Is there some special thing about this cpu that will only let
it run single license VMs or Ultrix? I can't see how they
limit that. Is the this bullsh*t? I can't find any google refs
that will support the single user claim..
regards,
Heinz
> Hmm... Any chance that it runs PLATO? I'd be happy to help with a
> coordinated rescue. I live in Delaware, but have been doing some weekly
> travel to Atlanta to work on a project.
ISTR that they were a PLATO site, but I've no idea whether this
system was running it or not. Yes, it should run, given the
proper peripheral equipment (again ISTR PLATO had unique site
hardware requirements).
Bear in mind that PLATO is a commercial product still marketed
as NovaNET (I believe it's getting yet another name at this
moment), so you'd be hard pressed to get legal permission to
run it.
I suppose you've seen my gallery of PLATO (NovaNET) screen
shots; I need to get them moved to the site Jay West said
he'd make available so I can add the second gallery.
-dq
> Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> >
> > > While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu,
> >
> > No, the 8086 is a 16-bit cpu with a 16-bit data path; the 8088
> > otoh is a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit datapath (or a 16-bit multiplexed
> > data path, if you prefer).
>
> You have not tried to program it have you? There are too many limitations
that
> catch you off guard. The 6809 is a better 16 bit processor than the intel
product.
> Just what a 16 bit cpu is a gray area other than 8080,6502,1802 are 8 bits
and the
> PDP-11 is 16 bit cpu.
I'm not gonna get in a snow-marking match on hours spent
under the hood... however you are correct in that it's not
a very orthogonal processor, and non-orthanogoanl machines
are indeed full of "gotcha"s. Having started with orthogonal
machines like the CDC-6600 and IBM 370/158, I found even the
8-bit 8080 a pain to work with, and wrote macros to do all
the really important work. I carried that forward to my 8086/8
days, and thus didn't have much in the way of difficulty. I
had arithmetic macros for 8, 16, and 32-bit operations, and
macros to do conversions between them.
I worked briefly with the 6800, and more recently, the 6802,
and they are certainly a bit more orthogonal, but still too
primitive for my tastes. A Coco running OS/9 might be in my
future but I wouldn't spend anything for one, it'd have to be
free.
As to the distinction, I bow to Allison's better wording.
Regards,
-dq
> While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu,
No, the 8086 is a 16-bit cpu with a 16-bit data path; the 8088
otoh is a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit datapath (or a 16-bit multiplexed
data path, if you prefer).
Regards,
-dq
From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com>
>> While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu,
>
>No, the 8086 is a 16-bit cpu with a 16-bit data path; the 8088
>otoh is a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit datapath (or a 16-bit multiplexed
>data path, if you prefer).
I'd rephrase the latter as:
The 8088 has the same 16-bit core CPU as 8086 with an 8-bit wide
_external_ datapath.
Whats important about the 8088 is it was the first(or one of the first) to
seperate the CPU core (control, alu and registers) from the bus interface.
Then again you have Z280, an 8bit cpu with an 16bit wide external data path.
Hows that for a switch?
Allison
Rumor has it that Paul R. Santa-Maria may have mentioned these words:
>I have AMPI (Amerifcan Micro Products, Inc.) FORTH with plastic case,
>manual, and cassette tape (condition unknown) for the TRS Model 100.
>Can anyone use this?
>
>Paul R. Santa-Maria
>Monroe, Michigan USA
Do you have any way of making a copy of this - for archival purposes? Rick
Hanson of Club 100 might be intersted in archiving this for history's sake
- he's been in the business of selling/supporting/refurbishing Model
100/102/200's since 1983.
He can be contacted at rick(a)the-dock.com, and his website is:
http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html -- and coming soon:
http://www.club100.org/
Thanks!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
On November 11, Richard.Sandwell(a)roebry.co.uk wrote:
> I have an Apricot Xen 'mainframe' which is a 286 based msdos generic from
> 1986. Its not ibm compatible. Comically, it does have a copy of Windows V1
> on its disk which runs, well, like all versions of windows ;-)
> Its role was a fileserver for an ms-net network, hence the awful
> 'mainframe' name. I've always been intrigued that there was a port of
> xenix available for this machine - anyone know anything about that, or
> about xenix on a 286 based system in general?
I ran SCO Xenix 286 on a few 286 systems back in 1988 or so. It was
abyssmal. I don't remember much about it...I think I blocked it
out. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
we've recently decommisioned a couple of la120's at work. unfortunately,
the drive mechanics and motors have been pinched for a robotics project,
but the rest is sitting in a corridor waiting for a skip to pass.
does anyone have any use for the remaining bits? both units were in
working order, so the power supplies and logic boards should be fine.
--
J.F.Carter http://www.jfc.org.uk/
On November 13, John Lawson wrote:
> > Did you ever receive my money order for the Macintosh SE/30?
>
> No, and I really could use that $5,000.00 right now... holidays coming
> up, y'know.
>
> Remember that I'll throw in the original CRT *and* the actual HD out of
> it, all for just another $3,500.00.
>
> E-mail me off-list and I'll give you my bank info for wire transfer.
>
> You still interested in the Lisa manual for $800???
>
> Lemme know.
You're a bad, bad man. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
Well, all the Macs are spoken for, just have to nail down some details...
...except the LC-II. Any takers on that?
--- David A Woyciesjes
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! -----Original Message-----
! From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu]
! Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:43 AM
! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail)
! Subject: For Sale/Trade... 68K Macs...
!
!
! Pardon my Off Topic post, I know this isn't quite the
! right forum,
! but I'd like these to go to someone who'll appreciate them...
!
! - Mac LCII 6 MB RAM, 80 MB HDD, OS 7.6, missing battery (1/2
! AA, 3.6 volt
! Lithium)
! - Mac SE/30, 8 MB RAM, 70 MB HDD, OS 7.1, Radius 64 KHz Full
! Page Display
! - Mac SE FDHD - Doesn't boot (yet)
! - Mac Classic II, 4 MB RAM, 140 MB HDD, OS 7.5
!
! - No mice, keyboard or monitors...
!
! I can update the software some, and might have some other Apple
! software to go with them, from the Apple Service Source CD Set...
! Everything must go, ASAP. Moving from apartment to house soon...
! Make reasonable offer.
!
! --- David A Woyciesjes
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