- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/01 10:55:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, celt(a)chisp.net writes: > Traf-O-Data automatic traffic measuring device - Microsoft's first piece > of hardware > I would like to know more about this? What, When, Why, What happened to it? Paxton Astoria, OR

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Central Point Option Board (earlier non-ASIC version) chips

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > U23 is still a TTL type (a 3-state buffer, not a counter, now), so data > on it is trivial to find. Yes, it was the difference in number that suggested a difference in function and that is why I thought I should bring attention to it. Not being a hardware guy, I don't have that (number, function) map cached in my brain. > I don't recognise U3, though. I guess it was made by UMC. How many pins > does it have? Eight. mark_k (who started this thread) told me it is a data separator. -Frank McConnell

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Atari 4160STE ?!

by walgen＠e-Spirit.de

Hi, I just got an Atari 4160STE (case only) - does anyone know details about the history of this machine? Some sources say that it was a developer version of the Atari 1040STE ... http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=272 BTW: Is there a complete list of all Atari 16Bit computers that were sold? As far as I kown at least these models were sold - because I own them :) I own: Atari 260 ST Atari 520 ST Atari 520 STM (boxed) Atari 520+ ST Atari 520 STFM Atari 1040 STF Atari 1040 STFM Atari Mega ST-1 Atari Mega ST-2 Atari 520 STE Atari 1040 STE Atari MEGA STE Atari Falcon 030 Atari ATW 800 Atari ST Book I know but don't own: Atari Stacy Atari TT Atari Mega ST-4 Stefan. www.HomeComputer.de

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Central Point Option Board (earlier non-ASIC version) chips

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > Okay, starting at top-left hand and reading horizontally, they are as > follow: > > HD74LS112P HD74LS11P HD74LS153P DM74LS163AN > SN74SO4N SN74LS393N SN74LS174 SN74LS163AN > SN74LS174N HD74LS86P HD74LS163P > SN7433N SN74LS174N HD74LS273P > HD74LS14P HD74LS367AP HD74LS194AP HD74LS374P > SN74LS133N HD74LS32P HD74LS194AP HD74LS374P Hmm, mine looks like this. * marks what I take to be significant differences. (U5) HD74LS112P (U11) HD74LS11P (U17) HD74LS153P (U23) HD74LS125AP * (U4) 74S404PC (U10) SN74LS393N (U16) SN74LS174N (U22) SN74LS163AN (U3) UM8326 * (U9) SN74LS174N (U15) HD74LS86P (U21) DM74LS163AN (U8) SN7433N (U14) SN74LS174N (U20) HD74LS273P (U2) HD74LS14P (U7) HD74LS367AP (U13) HD74LS194AP (U19) HD74LS374P (U1) SN74LS133N (U6) HD74LS32P (U12) HD74LS194AP (U18) HD74LS374P -Frank McConnell

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FS: HiNote

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Thought I'd offer up my ultraII before eBaying it. Just upgraded to a HiNote 233. Digital HiNote UltraII model LTS5150 Win98, 150mhz cpu 32mb ram 1.4gb hard drive floppy drive dock 6xCD mobilemedia dock i/o expansion dock ac adapter NOTE: battery does not hold charge $85, shipping included No docs or software other than the loaded os. The only flaw im aware of, about 1 of every 10 bootups it stops at the end. Always fixed with a reboot. Don't recall this happening when I was running w95. see at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~nicko/hinote.jpg -nick

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HD Controllers - S-100 & Corvus Omninet

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: > I had a couple of IMI drives back in the '80's and find, from my > doc's that they were, in fact, ST506 compatible. I wonder if the > drives you're seeing in your brocheure are earlier than that. I believe they are. The photocopied brochure pages are stapled to photocopied pages from a 7710 disc drive specification manual, and those latter pages are dated 1/79 and 5/79. -Frank McConnell

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History of Computing exam question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: One Without Reason <vance(a)ikickass.org> > >> Well for one the PDP-6 was a 36 bit machine that predated the PDP10. >> The PDP-7 was an 18bitter, and unix was devoped on it because they had >> one and not many other good reasons. > >So what? The fact that UNIX was developed on it is in itself a historic >fact. The fact that unix was not developed on 36 bit. And the 18bit machines were somewhat different from the 36bitters. Oh, and while they were both DEC K&R happed to have access to the PDP-7. Allison

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Central Point Option Board (earlier non-ASIC version) chips

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, This is quite urgent. Can someone who has the earlier version of the Central Point Option Board (also known as Copy II PC Option Board) please type up the part numbers of all chips on the card? Or scan the card at a decent resolution so all chip markings are legible. I want to get datasheets for as many of the ICs on the card as possible. Assuming some are not just simple TTL chips, the best place to look for these would be the FreeTradeZone web site. As mentioned a few days ago, that will no longer be accessible for free in a few days time. (I don't have an older Option Board yet. I want to get info on the ICs it uses for a possible future reverse-engineering effort, to figure out how the card works, and allow low-level disk-imaging software to be written.) -- Mark

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PDP-9 lives

by hansp＠aconit.org

I am very happy to be able to announce that the PDP-9 that we have been working on for quite some time finally began talking to the world again today. We had gotten memory and processor operational, then had to fix a memory fault which developed. TTY I/O posed some problems but finally today it spoke and we could reply. We ran the only two test routines we have on paper tape: the extended memory test and the TTY test. There appears to be some issue with the TTY since part 1 test halts after a while with PC=22, no mention of that in the test writeup! TTY test part 2 runs without error. Anyways, we plan on completeing checkout on this system, fix a couple of burnt our indicator bulbs and get the punch up before starting on the second system we have. That one has a dual dectapes, then we can read the 100 or so tapes trhat came with the system, and run some real software ;-) I'd be interested in knowing the status of other pdp-9's. Regards -- hbp for ACONIT, Grenoble France

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History of Computing exam question

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 12:08 PM 11/30/01 -0600, you wrote: >I would add: HP2000 timeshare system..widely used, often provided the >first exposure to computers that got many of us started in the field. My first intro to "real" computers: IBM's ITF (interactive terminal facility) timeshare system that ran on the 360/370 mainframes. Not widely used (I heard it was 10 installations worldwide), but must have been a huge development effort on the part of IBM. A scaled down locked down (but I did figure out how to crash it) TSO with Basic and PL/I programming langs. Changed my life, possibly for the worse, 25+ years ago. Hmm... Others I'd put on the list from personal experience: IBM/360 Early HP3000 (series I,II,III) PDP-11 Apple II IBM PC 5150

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Sun Optical mouse pad anyone?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 1, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > Type 4 mice require a different optical pad than type 5. > I found that the type of pad does not matter. Type 3 definitely requires a different pad from type 4...got frustrated by this many, many times while outfitting the early Digex offices with diskless Sun3/50, 3/60, & 3/140 machines as X terminals using Xkernel. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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DEC Infoserver 150

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi folks. I got a few questions. First, is there anything that makes this box different from a plain-vanilla VAXserver 3100? Second, does anyone have the software for this bad boy? Third, will the software run on a regular VAXserver 3100? Fourth, what does the software consist of? Peace... Sridhar

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HD Controllers - S-100 & Corvus Omninet

by fmc＠reanimators.org

M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> wrote: > Does anybody know anything about the HD interface bus Cromemco used > with their early IMI drives (7012 - 8" with transparent cover, 5007, > 5018 & 5021 5 1/2") and the WDI/WDI-II controllers? I'm just curious > if the same interface was used in any other systems (single 34 pin > header, 7 units max, differential servo clock supplied by drive, so > it doesn't look like SA1000). Yes, Corvus used these drives. I'd expect Onyx did too; the story is that the VC who funded IMI also funded Onyx and Corvus so that IMI would have customers. It's interesting to know that Cromemco used them too. I'm sitting here looking at a photocopy of a data sheet of sorts for the IMI 7710, and it does provide some description of the interface. 25 signals on a 34-line bus. I suspect it's somewhere between "more than I want to type" and "less than you need to know to use the drive", because I can't quite figure out how you would transfer a block of data to the drive from what's printed here. > Interesting aside: when Cromemco finally went the ST506 route with the > STDC controller, they made a replacement HD board available to convert the > IMI 5 1/2" drives to a standard ST506 interface. Neat! > Finally, I also have a Corvus S-100 board; looks like it might be a > host adapter for a disk drive of some sort. Only markings are > Corvus S-100, 8008 REV K, copyright 1980; 11 TTL chips & a 34 pin > header. Anybody know what it is and/or want it? Yes, that's the Corvus hard disk interface for S-100, p/n 8010-08008-00. I could be interested in it. -Frank McConnell

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 1, 0:20, Mike Cruse wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > >In that case, I exercise my right to change my mind, and I think they > >probably are the right way round. The air blown out of the PSU isn't very > >warm, but it will presumably be warmer when I put lots of cards in and give > >it more of a load. > > > The fans are blowing the right way. The filter was usually mount over > the vents on > the right side of the case if installed. That way when the filter foam > finally hydrolized > it got sucked into the case, just like RK05 drives... And most other mchines. Of course :-) > Don't worry, once you get a few cards in the machine you'll get plenty > of heat pumping out the left side. Got any spares so I can check? ;-) I'm looking for a TD8-E and an RX8-E in particular... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC Infoserver 150

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 1, One Without Reason wrote: > Hi folks. I got a few questions. First, is there anything that makes > this box different from a plain-vanilla VAXserver 3100? Second, does > anyone have the software for this bad boy? Third, will the software run > on a regular VAXserver 3100? Fourth, what does the software consist of? I've got the software, Sridhar...I will hook you up as soon as I get it unpacked. Dunno about the VS3100/IS150 comparison offhand, but I know they're very similar...might be the same board with different ROMs or something. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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History of Computing exam question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well for one the PDP-6 was a 36 bit machine that predated the PDP10. The PDP-7 was an 18bitter, and unix was devoped on it because they had one and not many other good reasons. Allison -----Original Message----- From: One Without Reason <vance(a)ikickass.org> To: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: History of Computing exam question > >I'm curious, Tony? Why the PDP-6 and not the PDP-7? Sure, the PDP-6 was >used in AI development, but UNIX was written on a PDP-7. > >Peace... Sridhar > >On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Tony Duell wrote: > >> Here's my list. It's a bit disorganised, and doubtless some of the >> machines shouldn't really be there, but anyway. I am going to assume that >> this wonderful technology that can grab any machine from the past can >> also recreate a machine from the blueprints, even if it was never >> actually made. That way I can have the first machine on my list : >> <SNIP!> >

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Omninet and Ethernet

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

I have a 4 workstation generic Apricot network using MS-NET over Omninet.....and I'd like to tie it to my ethernet network. How would you go about this? The physical side - I'm thinking about having an old IBM PS/2 model 50 as a link between the two environments - IIRC there was an MCA omninet card and I'm certain I've got an ethernet card somewhere. What would anyone suggest I do about the software side? MS-Net is netbios - net share \\xxxxx\yyy and so on, and I dimly recall there being an IBM PC Lan program bridge or something, but there my memory fails me..... Ideas? //Rich

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PDP-8 case

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 19, 21:04, ajp166 wrote: > I don't remember that foam as being conductive. Most conductive foams > tend to shred, those bits are not kind to the electronics. Agreed :-) The brown stuff isn't much nicer after 15-30 years. I suspect someone before me had replaced foam that lost its resilience, and thought conductive foam would be better in some way. > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >I've been cleaning up my recently-acquired PDP-8/E, and I've had to remove > >the plastic foam from the inside of the lid, which was fairly horrible. > > I'm not sure what best to replace it with Thanmks to everyone who replied. I'll just use ordinary high-density foam. It's much cheaper than a couple of square feet of good quality conductive foam, which would be a bit thin anyway. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 24, 21:22, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > --- ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote: > > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > > >What about using white leds? > > >Ben Franchuk. > > > > Why? Back then when the led mod was common red was the only > > available visible color for leds. White leds are a bit blue rich though > > they would work. One point is that there are some 28 or so leds/lamps > > and good ones will not be cheap and cleap ones will not be good. Agreed. The LEDS are water-white plastic, but red-emitting. Each has its leads cut short, about 1/8" from the body, and a small 430R resistor soldered to the cathode and a wire (probably the trimmed-off resistor lead) to the anode. (Is this what some people have described as an "LED module" or is that something more substantial?) They then fit into the bi-pin lamp sockets. The resistors look like modern miniature metal film, but could be 20 years old. Similar red LEDs cost pennies, maybe 10p. 25p - 35p with integral resistor. Bi-pin bulbs of about the right voltage/current/intensity cost a bit more, about 50p each here. I did think about white LEDs, but they cost over ?3 each. As Allison says, I would need 28 (plus a bag of spares if I use lamps) and white LEDs give off a very cold bluish light, quite unlike the slightly yellow lamps. I thought about yellow LEDs, but they're much *too* yellow. Then I thought about pairs of LEDs, but that's just getting too silly. > At about $3/each, yes they are expensive, but only slightly more expensive > than real DEC lamps. Personally, I'd go with either red LEDs or bulbs, > since that's what's appropriate for the period. I think I'll stick with the existing LEDs and maybe "save up my pocket money" to buy 40 or so bulbs (28 plus a dozen spares). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 24, 21:03, ajp166 wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >The front bezel (frame round the panel) has been repainted white, and > the > >paint has flaked or chipped off in places, to reveal a chipped coat of > >beige paint. I'd like to refinish and respray it. What's the correct > >colour? > > DEC gray #68 A color close to eggshell toward very light gray. Sounds like a very pale grey, not quite white? A lot lighter than the panel on, say, an 11/34, or an 11/03? I'll see what I can find. Thanks! > >I'm toying with the idea of replacing the LEDs with bi-pin bulbs, as the > >panel was originally a bulb panel. The resistors for the warm-up > current > >have been clipped out. What value should they be? > > leave the leds, likely that mod was done very long ago. The lamps > tended to die too often. Yes, I'm sure it was done a long time ago, possibly even when the machine was new. Judging from the date codes on ICs and dates on some boards, it was made in early 1974. > >What's J5 (3-pin Mate-N-Lok) on the PSU for? > > Power controller. Are you thinking of the ones on the back (on the outside)? This one is inside, near the front, and I think Tony's suggestion (for the power fail) is right. > >Lastly (for now :-)), which direction should the fans blow? > Unknown on direction, I think "out". Filter was a layer of foam where > there > was one. I have a an 8f so they are somewhat different but the fans blow > in > across the cards. The PS in the reaw with its own fan. The 8e has the > power supply down the left side(facing the front from front) and thefrom > right > (input) to left (out through the PS). The power supply will tolerate > higher temps > if memory serves than core. Keeping the core cool and at a relatively > constant temp was the key to stable ops. In that case, I exercise my right to change my mind, and I think they probably are the right way round. The air blown out of the PSU isn't very warm, but it will presumably be warmer when I put lots of cards in and give it more of a load. At some point, I would like to try to get the original core working (it wasn't when I got it). Expect more questions, about debugging 8K core stacks, since I don't have a printset! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HD Controllers - S-100 & Corvus Omninet

by mhstein＠usa.net

At the risk of raising the blood pressure of the purists on this list, I have a controller board out of a Corvus Omninet Drive (marked 8012-10970, 8010-?492-01 REV A. which I scrapped many years ago to use the cabinet and drive to back up my Cromemcos. Sorry to confess, I also pulled a few small parts off the board over the years, however, most of it is still complete and it could either be put back together if one had another one to compare, or perhaps someone could use the major chips on it (WD1010, Corvus 8115-03023 REV B, etc.) Also have a few old AT controllers with WD2010B's on them, not socketed though. Any interest? 2nd question: Does anybody know anything about the HD interface bus Cromemco used with their early IMI drives (7012 - 8" with transparent cover, 5007, 5018 & 5021 5 1/2") and the WDI/WDI-II controllers? I'm just curious if the same interface was used in any other systems (single 34 pin header, 7 units max, differential servo clock supplied by drive, so it doesn't look like SA1000). Interesting aside: when Cromemco finally went the ST506 route with the STDC controller, they made a replacement HD board available to convert the IMI 5 1/2" drives to a standard ST506 interface. Finally, I also have a Corvus S-100 board; looks like it might be a host adapter for a disk drive of some sort. Only markings are Corvus S-100, 8008 REV K, copyright 1980; 11 TTL chips & a 34 pin header. Anybody know what it is and/or want it? m

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History of Computing exam question :

by hansp＠aconit.org

Your are charged with arranging an exhibition to illustrate the history of computing. Due to a sufficiently advanced technology you can recover any historical machine or artifact without cost. List the 20 to 30 systems you would display and briefly explain the reason for choosing each. -- hbp : just for fun ;)

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History of Computing exam question

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 02:07 PM 11/30/01 -0500, you wrote: >> I would add: HP2000 timeshare system..widely used, often provided the >> first exposure to computers that got many of us started in the field. > >I *think* I played my first computer game on the HP2000 >(said game paper tape currently being in Jay West's hands >for his HP2000). >-dq Talk about those times... I remember that the ibm 4381 system that we used at the time received batch jobs >from an apple-II !!!! network! We would write progams using the UCSD pascal editor and then we could submit them for batch processing (including those dreaded OS360 jcl commands, with batch job data indicated by GO SYSIN specs.. argghh). No wonder I fell in love with UX when I first had access to it (ca. 1987). So much simpler and logical... ... but I've grown to respect VMS even if I have lots to learn about it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Ampro Littleboard problems..

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I presume that is a typo and it really is an FD-55B. Is it terminated? > > I wouldn't bet on it. There is an FD-54B. That Sanyo MBC555 MS-DOS > machine has a couple of them in it (or at least mine does). I have no > idea what the difference between the FD-54B and the FD-55B is, though. Have a likely-dead one of those drives laying around, should anyone be interested... -dq

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Need "PC Mouse" driver for PCjr ..

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The mouse looks to be a slightly >modified version of the "PC Mouse". The neat thing is that it is an >optical mouse. :-) I had an optical mouse way back when with my Mac Plus... I bought it as a replacement for a broken mouse. I think it was made by A+ At the time, I hated it, you needed a special mouse pad for it to work, and it wasn't as accurate as the Mac Plus mouse, which made it even harder to draw. Just one of those things that I found interesting now that optical mice are all the rage. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Sun Optical mouse pad anyone?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 30, Fred deBros wrote: > OK, so there are type 4 (UV plus vis light) and type 5 (UV only) sun > optical mice. You mean IR, not UV... > Type 4 mice require a different optical pad than type 5. > Type 4 mice are tricky because they have to be adjusted to the grid > (parallel vs perpendicular) in order to work correctly. > There is a ps file that prints the type 4 mouse pad grid on paper. > Do I have to laminate that print, or print it on a transparency and glue > that onto an aluminum foil or print it onto a reflective foil? > > Because my printed pad on plain paper don't work with type 4 mice. > > Sniff. I wonder why I find so many optical mice in the garbage here. I've used that ps file with Type 3 mice, and plain paper worked fine. Not sure what's up with the Type 4 mice. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Need "PC Mouse" driver for PCjr ..

by mbbrutman＠magnaspeed.net

I have recently acquired a "PCjr Mouse" by Mouse Systems, and I am looking for a device driver for it. The mouse looks to be a slightly modified version of the "PC Mouse". The neat thing is that it is an optical mouse. :-) The standard MS Mouse driver doesn't find the mouse. The "CuteMouse 1.8" driver hangs the machine up. An old (1992) Mouse Systems driver hangs the machine up too. The Colorpaint cartridge works with the mouse without a driver, so at least I know the mouse works. Do I even need a driver? I imagine older software doesn't need a driver, but newer software would. Then again, on a machine this old I don't think I have much of a problem. I'd like to have a working driver that recognizes the mouse, just in case. Thanks, Mike

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you could give a cursory mention (at least to me) about the gist of > the stuff, that would be great. (I don't expect a full mention, but > concepts like "there were some classic Macs there, and some boards for > Apple IIs that look like serial cards"). I saw a pair of 5.25 inch floppy units; the top of either a Mac Classic or an SE (a Classic, I think); the backside of either a IIcx, IIci, or Quadra 700; Extended Keyboard IIs; There was a SuperMac monitor, smaller than the 19inch Radius I've got, but the bug mentioned a "huge" one in back. Since I pulled two //e from outside their firm last week, I'm somewhat loaded-up; I only need to get one working (which may involve nothing at all), and both units had serial boards; one was Apple-orginal, the other 3rd-party. I should mention that I'm heavily laden with Macs, having been the repository of all the ones we used to have here at our firm. Whatcha need? I could spare at least one or more of the following: Quadra 605 (LCII form factor) Quadra 650 Quadra 700 Mac IIci I have Extended Keyboard IIs, and maybe one or two of either the smaller keyboard and/or the split keyboard. Not sure if I have any working mice I can spare... Drive capacties would be from 80MB to 170MB... Regards, -dq

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Looking for CPT 9000 word processor

by vcf＠vintage.org

I am looking for a CPT 9000 word processor, circa 1988. It has a page display and is based on an Intel 80286. I specifically need the monitor and video card, which is a proprietary 16-bit deal, but will take a complete system if need be. Please contact me privately if you've got one to sell or know where one might be. $50 finders fee! Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Tried Vicom Internet Gateway? I am loyal to Sustainable Softworks because their support is really really good. (although, they no longer really support the 68k version of IPNR, and supposedly the PPC version will fix my problem, but since it is just an issue getting DNS passed thru to Win95, it isn't a big priority for me) >Trade, hopefully; otherwise, I'll try to come up >with a friendly price. Well, what are you looking for? (Other than a TAM like me). I have odds and ends, maybe I have something you want. (I have some Apple II stuff, and lots of Mac stuff, and a bunch of PC stuff that I am aching to get rid of) >Dang, David spoke up first, and I'm not sure how many I have. >I'll inventory everything this weekend... Yeah, I already told him I would kick his ass for it if I had to... of course doing so would mean driving a few hours north to CT, which beh... just isn't worth it (got that dave... I-95 is the only thing keeping me >from getting the keyboard... LOL) >Clarksville, Indiana, the sunnier side of the Louisville KY metro area. Too far to drive (well, not really, since I like road tripping, but my available time, and funds are too in demand right now to be able to kill a weekend heading out that way) >I am passing on a Lisa that's a stone's >throw away, because the guy won't wait two weeks for payment. OTOH, >he did say he might have another one soon... Wha?!? How much? I assume if you need him to wait a week, it will be out of my price range... but it is worth asking. >The eventual goal is to pare down the pile I've got into >no more than one each of whatever I want to keep. But >right now that feels *so* much like work... Yeah, that is my feeling towards my Plus and SE collection... too many to want to keep, but I refuse to throw them out. And until I can go thru and test them all, to make sure I have one good of each, I am afraid to give them away. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>It's time for a group of us to find the Utah landfill >where they dumped the Lisa inventory 15 years ago... > >Since you can find undecayed hotdogs from the 1960s >in a landfill, I'm thinking the Lisas should be well >preserved... I think I read somewhere, that Apple had guards watching the landfill until they were satisfied that all the lisa's had been crushed beyond hope. But who knows, that could just be a story, and they may all be sitting in a pile somewhere waiting to be booted. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Off Topic - stereo to PC question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Can anybody tell me how to attach my stereo to my PC so that I can transfer > from Cassette to CD-R or hard-drive. A couple of us on the list have Mac's that are setup as "Digital Audio Workstations" that can do this. Basically you need a good soundcard and some good software. Don't mess with the free junk that ships with the Adaptec CD burning software, it's just that, junk! For software I'd start by looking at Arboretum RayGun at http://www.arboretum.com/, they've got a demo you can download. I use a combination of RayGun and Bias Peak on a Echo Products Darla24 soundcard. I've dedicated my old PowerMac 8500/180 to this, though hopefully one of these days I'll be able to move it to a souped up 9500 or 9600. There are simular solutions for Windows based PC's. Zane

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Humm... I have been hunting for a multi ethernet capable 040 for a while > (so the 650 or 700 would work), to replace my IIsi with SCSI ethernet > firewall/router... but I recently ran into a problem with the 68k version > of IPNetRouter, and am thinking of going to a PPC with it. Tried Vicom Internet Gateway? > What are you looking to get for either a 650 or a 700? Trade, hopefully; otherwise, I'll try to come up with a friendly price. > Also, if by the "split keyboard" you mean the short lived ergonomic > keyboard apple offered, that would be cool. I can use it in place of my > current keyboard and see if it helps me any. Dang, David spoke up first, and I'm not sure how many I have. I'll inventory everything this weekend... > Where are you located? (just to get an idea of shipping possibilites... I > can already rule out things like monitors, too hard to safely ship unless > it is one that I just HAVE to have). Clarksville, Indiana, the sunnier side of the Louisville KY metro area. > As far as things I am actively LOOKING for... I want a 660AV, a MacTV, > 20th Anniv Mac, Lisa (obviously), and an Apple TV Tuner card > with remote. TAM is also on my want list; I am passing on a Lisa that's a stone's throw away, because the guy won't wait two weeks for payment. OTOH, he did say he might have another one soon... I have an 840AV, but only one, and I think the motherboard is flaky (Shreve Systems sells 840AV mobos for about $100). > But I will take anything Apple related that people will just give me > (although not everything stays with me, better useable macs get given out > to people that can't afford a computer... for instance, the Classic II I > got from David I am giving to someone for Xmas that has no computer, the > kid can at least use it for writing school papers, checking email, basic > web browsing, and playing some games... it is a step ahead of the > nothingness he can use right now). The eventual goal is to pare down the pile I've got into no more than one each of whatever I want to keep. But right now that feels *so* much like work... -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! I saw ... a SuperMac monitor, smaller than the 19inch > ! Radius I've got, but the bug mentioned a "huge" one in back. > > Really? Any idea if they work, and what shipping to CT (06520-9040) might > be? I gotta take an afternoon off to tour the whole facility, maybe next week? (they're closed weekends). > ! I have ... and/or the split keyboard. > > Cool. That is a neat piece of Mac history. How much? Well, Shreve Systems bought a stack of them from me at $35 each... I'm not even positive I kept more than one, but I'll check. -dq

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Off Topic - stereo to PC question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I suppose you've tried connecting the line out on the stereo to the line in on the peesee? :) That is the normal way ;) Seriously, it's not difficult. The cable should look something like this: -)<signal>......................... |_<ground>--------------------- ... ..|....>--- . |____| -)<signal>..................... | |_<ground>--------------------- Where -) is an RCA plug, the outer shield on the plug is ground, and the pin is signal. >--- is a 1/4 inch headphone style plug. The bottom-most segment is ground, and the top two are signal, I think. Connect each RCA signal wire to its own signal segment on the 1/4" plug, and the grounds to the ground. This is straight from memory, but I think that's the way it works. Sorry I can't tell you which segment to use for left and which for right. You should also be able to buy prefabricated cables at radio shack or somewhere if you like. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Ehrich [mailto:gehrich@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:23 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Off Topic - stereo to PC question > > > Can anybody tell me how to attach my stereo to my PC so that > I can transfer > from Cassette to CD-R or hard-drive. >

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Off Topic - stereo to PC question

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

It all depends on whether or not the soundcard in your PC has a line-input connector. If it only has a mic input, you might get away with connecting to that, but be careful about the levels... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Gene Ehrich [mailto:gehrich@tampabay.rr.com] ! Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:23 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Off Topic - stereo to PC question ! ! ! Can anybody tell me how to attach my stereo to my PC so that ! I can transfer ! from Cassette to CD-R or hard-drive. !

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I should mention that I'm heavily laden with Macs, having >been the repository of all the ones we used to have here >at our firm. Whatcha need? I could spare at least one or >more of the following: > > Quadra 605 (LCII form factor) > Quadra 650 > Quadra 700 > Mac IIci > >I have Extended Keyboard IIs, and maybe one or two of >either the smaller keyboard and/or the split keyboard. Humm... I have been hunting for a multi ethernet capable 040 for a while (so the 650 or 700 would work), to replace my IIsi with SCSI ethernet firewall/router... but I recently ran into a problem with the 68k version of IPNetRouter, and am thinking of going to a PPC with it. What are you looking to get for either a 650 or a 700? Also, if by the "split keyboard" you mean the short lived ergonomic keyboard apple offered, that would be cool. I can use it in place of my current keyboard and see if it helps me any. Where are you located? (just to get an idea of shipping possibilites... I can already rule out things like monitors, too hard to safely ship unless it is one that I just HAVE to have). As far as things I am actively LOOKING for... I want a 660AV, a MacTV, 20th Anniv Mac, Lisa (obviously), and an Apple TV Tuner card with remote. But I will take anything Apple related that people will just give me (although not everything stays with me, better useable macs get given out to people that can't afford a computer... for instance, the Classic II I got from David I am giving to someone for Xmas that has no computer, the kid can at least use it for writing school papers, checking email, basic web browsing, and playing some games... it is a step ahead of the nothingness he can use right now). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! I saw ... a SuperMac monitor, smaller than the 19inch ! Radius I've got, but the bug mentioned a "huge" one in back. Really? Any idea if they work, and what shipping to CT (06520-9040) might be? ! I have ... and/or the split keyboard. Cool. That is a neat piece of Mac history. How much? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Any value to anyone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>If it is an Intel 301 it is worth saving. It came from Intel at a time they >considered trying to break into the PC market. It is a classic machine in >it's own right. They gave up the PC market right after this, it is a one >and >only. It was also very well made. There is no front label on it, but on the back it has an Intel sticker. The only thing I can find to really ID it is a Product Number (PS302254F4). There are some serial numbers, but nothing else very useful as far as what it is. Maybe based on that prod# it is a "302"? (if there is such a thing). Alas, classic or not, I am not a huge PC collector. I am into Apple stuff, I only really wanted my XT because I had an IBM PC, which is the first "PC" by them, and I had an AT, so the XT just rounded it out... I killed my XT/286, so I lost that already :-( So an "Intel" unit doesn't have any value to me. If however it is a "classic" that might be of interest to others, I might consider shelving it for a future swap meet (if one ever occurs up my direction). But that will all depend on how much shelf space I have to spare. Most likely however, if there are no takers on this list, I will strip it for parts, and pitch the carcass. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Scrap hardware finds

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Hey, I might be interested in the Mac stuff too. Maybe I'll ask Dan Sch.... to hot-rod it for me ;) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] ! Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:02 PM ! To: Classic Computer ! Subject: RE: Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a ! Lisa or Mac XL?!) ! ! ! >I'll not likely ! >mention the plethora of Apple // and Mac stuff, since ! >it's the same stuff I hear about being available everywhere. ! ! If you could give a cursory mention (at least to me) about ! the gist of ! the stuff, that would be great. (I don't expect a full mention, but ! concepts like "there were some classic Macs there, and some ! boards for ! Apple IIs that look like serial cards"). ! ! Just so I have an idea, as it seems, around here, no one has ! old Apple or ! Mac parts (the machines are available out the ass, but the extras are ! slim pickings). ! ! Thanks ! ! -chris ! ! <http://www.mythtech.net> !

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Any value to anyone

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/01 10:32:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com writes: > The Intel branded 386 is still up for grabs. It is too far away for me. If it is an Intel 301 it is worth saving. It came from Intel at a time they considered trying to break into the PC market. It is a classic machine in it's own right. They gave up the PC market right after this, it is a one and only. It was also very well made. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I'll not likely >mention the plethora of Apple // and Mac stuff, since >it's the same stuff I hear about being available everywhere. If you could give a cursory mention (at least to me) about the gist of the stuff, that would be great. (I don't expect a full mention, but concepts like "there were some classic Macs there, and some boards for Apple IIs that look like serial cards"). Just so I have an idea, as it seems, around here, no one has old Apple or Mac parts (the machines are available out the ass, but the extras are slim pickings). Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Antron MST300 (was:RE: Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods )

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you mean Atron then yes I've heard of them. if fact, I was just > searching for info on them this morning. I have two full length IBM PC > style cards that are both marked "Atron", one plugs into an 8 bit ISA slot > and the other plugs into a 16-bit ISA slot. The cards have a ribbon cable > that connects them together at the top. One is marked "Master Break Trace" > and the other is marked "Slave Break Trace". (looks like they're for an > emulator). Both boards have a large male 3U type connector on the outside. This looks like a later version of the Atron Debugger I used in a Zenith Z-150 (I still have the Zenith). It had its own debugger software, it plugged into an available slot, had a ribbon cable that plugged into the 8088, and a place to put the 8088 you removed >from the CPU board (the 8088 was on a separate CPU board in the Zenith). I'll have to go bug my former employer (15 year ago) and see if he still has it and wants to let go of it, along with perhaps the Zilog REO Development System and the IMSAI 8080 he had...). -dq

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History of Computing exam question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I would add: HP2000 timeshare system..widely used, often provided the > first exposure to computers that got many of us started in the field. I *think* I played my first computer game on the HP2000 (said game paper tape currently being in Jay West's hands for his HP2000). While I'll likely not ever find one, I'm axious to see a more fully-fleshed-out simulator (unless DIMH will run 2000 Access, in which case, I just need 2000 Access). -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > >in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > >(I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > >standard). > Well, I went by today to talk to the proprietor... Yes, they will be happy to sell the stuff they've got, if I see anything I want. The big, interesting box I saw from the street appears to be a UniSys terminal concentrator. At least it's full of boards with DB9's on it, so it somewhat reminded me of my Prime terminal concentrator. I did specifically ask about "boxes with switches and lights" and they indicated they had seen such things in the past. They further ventured that "no one is interested in that stuff" so I think I've got a live one, boyr and girls... If anyone's looking for a Unisys terminal concentrator or if you thknk that vox is something you want whatever it is, let me know. I'll be visiting them regularly to see what's new and what I missed on my brief visit. I'll post anything that seems worth posting. I'll not likely mention the plethora of Apple // and Mac stuff, since it's the same stuff I hear about being available everywhere. Regards, -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the book

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/01 6:20:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > must have cost them 50 times that to ship them back from Germany The BIIN computers we scrapped were originally air freighted from Germany. We opend the crates and took them apart. They were brand new, but Intel and Siemens didn't want them out there. This was a certified destruction contract otherwise I would have kept one. I already had all the SW. I bet the cost to scrap ratio was more like 5000 to 1. Siemens lost a bunch of money on that project. (Intel owned 5% and Siemens 95%.) Paxton Astoria, OR

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Antron MST300 (was:RE: Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

If you mean Atron then yes I've heard of them. if fact, I was just searching for info on them this morning. I have two full length IBM PC style cards that are both marked "Atron", one plugs into an 8 bit ISA slot and the other plugs into a 16-bit ISA slot. The cards have a ribbon cable that connects them together at the top. One is marked "Master Break Trace" and the other is marked "Slave Break Trace". (looks like they're for an emulator). Both boards have a large male 3U type connector on the outside. I've posted a picture at <http://www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/ebay/boards.jpg>. FWIW I pulled these out of an old 286 Compaq Deskpro. I wanted to get the drive but it was already gone :-( Joe At 05:13 PM 11/30/01 -0000, you wrote: >Speaking of chip testers has anyone come across the Antron company and their >testing equipment? Antron are still going and still selling test kit to the >likes of Compaq, but since they didn't reply to my email I'm assuming they >had no old documentation. > >Basically the MST300 is a 386 based PC with 2 extra ISA cards that interface >with the testing 'pods'. I've got pods for the 8086, 80286, 80386SX and DX, >Moto 68K and I'm still not sure what they were supposed to be testing! > >I'll post pix on Binary Dinosaurs when I get 'em taken :) > >-- >Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd >e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com >w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com >w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum) >

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Wireless World Digital Computer - 1967

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Hans Thanks for the WW reference. I must admit I had got the PE Digical calculator confused with another WW article also by B.Crank. Can't remember the title but it was a very simple logic analyzer using a scope as a hex display. I remember it used Ferranti DTL chips. Also remember reading the PE Digical calculator articles - I can still picture the calculator - a four function desk top machine full of TTL ! Chris Leyson

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Any value to anyone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Ok, I think it's my turn to ask the obligatory > > "Where?" New Jersey... but I am retracting my offer on the 5160... I thought I already had an XT, but it turns out I have PCs and ATs, but no XTs, so after a brief scare when someone said they wanted it last night (turns out they really want an AT, so I am trying to arrange to give them one of mine), I am officially retracting the offer of the 5160 so I can round out my collection. The Intel branded 386 is still up for grabs. Along with the IBM ProPrinter and the Epson cut sheet printer thingy... and some 5.25 HD and DD drives. (Drives are known good, but I still haven't tested the printers yet) Sorry :( -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Antron MST300 (was:RE: Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

Speaking of chip testers has anyone come across the Antron company and their testing equipment? Antron are still going and still selling test kit to the likes of Compaq, but since they didn't reply to my email I'm assuming they had no old documentation. Basically the MST300 is a 386 based PC with 2 extra ISA cards that interface with the testing 'pods'. I've got pods for the 8086, 80286, 80386SX and DX, Moto 68K and I'm still not sure what they were supposed to be testing! I'll post pix on Binary Dinosaurs when I get 'em taken :) -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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