! On December 10, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
! > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my
! > storage locker with
! > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer
! > (thanks again, Jeff)
! > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
!
! Uhhhh
!
! Sridhar, you ok man?
!
! -Dave
I dunno, Dave. When he picked up that VaxServer3100 from me yesterday, he
did have a funny look on his face, right before he went into the pizza
shop...
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Hi everybody,
I have -- in various stages of repair -- three MIPS RISComputers. The model
is M/120. I'm in need of an operating system (and maybe even software :)
that will run on these. They were given to me without hard drives. Any
ideas?
Also, can anyone tell me what's the normal amount of RAM for these to have?
One of them has two or three (don't remember) RAM boards, and one has five.
The third has no RAM, and I wonder whether I could divide the boards between
them and still have something reasonable.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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There is a new multi-part bonder called "cyanopoxy" that can even glue nylon
and "slippery engineering plastics" such as Delrin. It is, however, quite
expensive -- $48.50 w/s&h for a small quantity; see www.mrhobby.com. I
learned about it in an article in "Railroad Model Craftsman" magazine. Looks
good and might work to glue broken switch paddles, but I haven't used it
myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Smith [mailto:ip500@home.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:41 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: ABS type glue / was ASR-33
Check out a sporting goods store that sells whitewater canoes. Most
are
made from ABS of some sort [Royalite, Royaltex, Oltenar] all come from
basic ABS sandwich stock. They should have a really tough glue for
mounting tie points and thigh harness to the bottom of the interior. IN
my experience .. NOTHING else will bond to the ABS.
Tothwolf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
>
> > Anyway, the metal on both machines seems to be in good shape, but the
> > plastic leaves something to be desired. The ASR is mostly just dirty,
> > but there is a crack at the left rear screw position. The KSR is
> > cleaner as it was used less, but it was stored improperly in a box and
> > dropped or something and the plastic upper case (the gray case, not
> > the white/yellow cover over the carriage) is broken into several
> > pieces. So does anybody have recommendations as to glue or other
> > solutions? Is someone sitting on a big stock of spare upper shells?
>
> Use a glue specially for ABS plastic. Most so-called plastic and model
> glues are for polystyrene and won't bond ABS since they are not strong
> enough. Let me know what you find, since I'm also looking for glue to use
> on tons of broken ABS cases. I've been told that there is a glue made for
> an ABS type of drain pipe. PVC glue won't work either, it tends to damage
> ABS plastics.
>
> -Toth
Hi Carlos
Try Dial Electronics, www.dialelec.com, they may be able to get some 56001's,
they are resonably priced and don't have a minimum order charge.
Unfortunately the rest of the 56k family comes in 144pin quad flat pack, even
the 56002. One solution might be get a TQFP to BGA adapter board. The BGA
adaptors usually have long enough pins to wrap and solder to. Winslow in the
UK may have these in stock. Also, look out for an old style DSP56303-EVM
evaluation module. These had pin headers connected to the data, address and
control busses. I may have an old one lying around somewhere.
Don't bother with the new EVM modules if you need to interface to any
hardware - they only have headers for the control bus and 8-bit host port.
Note: The 8-bit host port is a slave port only and needs to be driven from
external processor.
I've been using the 56300 family for quite a while now. The 24-bit
instructions
let you do one arithmetic op and two data moves in one cycle. The DMA
channels allow you to move data without interrupting the core. You also get
a lot more internal memory with the 563xx parts.
My personal preference is to run these processors using internal memory only.
Just use slow 8-bit flash to load programs. It saves having to use fast SRAM
and you can do all of your I/O with fast serial links if need be.
56303 - 4k program, 2k X and Y ram. 3.3V core and I/O. I/O is 5V tolerent.
Speed 80-100MHz. 144pin TQFP
56309, 20k program, 7k X and Y ram. 3.3V core and I/O. I/O is not 5V
tolerent. Speed 80-100MHz. 144pin TQFP or PBGA (Plastic Ball Grid Array)
package.
56307, 48k program, 8k X and Y ram, or 16k P ram and 24 X & Y ram
1.8V or 2.5V core and 3.3V I/O. Speed 100-160MHz. BGA package only.
56307 also comes with an independent Co-processor on board.
All the Motorola tools are free even the gnu C compiler. I used the C compiler
once and didn't like it. It produced slow code and didn't even support a
fractional
data type !! Not much use if your processor work in fractional arithmetic. I
do all
of my DSP programming in assembler.
Alternatively try Texas or Analog Devices.
Chris
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> > > Bear in mind that I'm a FORMER smoker, and that there's no Catholic like
a
> > > convert, as they say ...
> > > I've disassembled a number of CDROM drives that clearly suffered from
> >
> > D'ya mean that retractable ashtray holder?
> >
> Gee ... I thought that was a cup holder ...
Just wondering... do you drive a Volvo?
;)
> > > > > I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a
> > > > > chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in.
> > > >
> > > > I understand they're high in protein. Maybe this person ate them over
> > > > their keyboard like others eat snacks? :)
> > >
> > > If they weren't eating snacks before they ate the marijuana seeds, they
> > > certainly were afterwards. :-P
> >
> > Sounds like this comes from someone who knows? :)
>
> I'm less than two years away from my MD -- of course I know! ;-)
Great... another reason to fear doctors!
;)
> Well, if you tell us what you're looking for, we might just
> find it.
Docs & prints would be nice :-)
Must be one of the few major machines
for which virtually nothing seems to
be available on the net!
Antonio
Here's a guy in Minneapolis with a 386/33 to unload. Please reply
directly to him.
Reply-to: <joel_muscatello(a)securecomputing.com>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:15:04 -0600
From: "Muscatello, Joel" <joel_muscatello(a)securecomputing.com>
To: 'Vintage Computer Festival' <vcf(a)vintage.org>
Subject: RE: Any need for a 386 computer?
Hello. Thanks for your reply. I am located in Minneapolis, MN. I would
appreciate any help you could give me in finding a way to get rid of the
machine. :-)
Joel
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>
> %STDRV-I-STARTUP, OpenVMS startup begun at 10-DEC-2001 22:56:23.89
> %SYSGEN-E-SYSVERDIF, system version mismatch - reassemble and
> relink driver
> -SYSGEN-I-DRIVENAM, driver name is SIDRIVER
> %SYSGEN-E-SYSVERDIF, system version mismatch - reassemble and
> relink driver
> -SYSGEN-I-DRIVENAM, driver name is SIDRIVER
>
> this driver version mismatch prevents me from doing a SYSGEN
> etc. Where can I turn off dependency to this driver?
That's the driver for the DMB32. To hide it from
SYSGEN it just needs to be renamed:
$ RENAME SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.EXE SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.OLD
But just in case, it might be worth checking that you
don't have more than one version lying around:
$ DIR SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SIDRIVER.EXE
Normally I would suggest purging down if multiple files
are kicking around, but since this system is all you have,
I'd go with renaming all of them and keeping the version
numbers the same i.e.
$ RENAME SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.EXE;33
SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.OLD;33
or whatever.
The other WAN device drivers you won't care about are
SJDRIVER, SLDRIVER, SFDRIVER, SEDRIVER, ZTDRIVER
and ZWDRIVER ... actually I'm sure there are more,
I've just mislaid my list! If SIDRIVER is out of date
I guess that the rest will be too. However, I assume that
SIDRIVER is getting dragged in because SYSGEN found
a DMB32?
Antonio
On December 10, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
> I tried it for a few hours, but found the message load to be too much for
> my tastes. Think about getting a classiccmp day every *hour*. Or maybe
> that was the geeks list. I don't remember.
It certainly spikes that high, but it's not usually that bad.
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
Happy DEC-10 Day to all that remember
the venerable olde beaste!
Some of my happiest memories of college
(WPI) involved hacking on the poor thing
back in `73-`77...
-al-
-acorda(a)1bigred.com
> I have noticed
> that machines with either residue (pot or cigs) don't tend to
> have mice live
> in them when sotred - I tried this by putting a bag of
> tobacco (cloth bag)
> inside and purposely left a filler plate off - no mice. The
> machine without
> had all sorts of acorn shells, poop, nesting materials, etc though.
Great tip, thanks, the old IBM 716 Line Printer was *full*
of that; had I known I could stick a pack of Viceroys in
there to cure it, I might not have dismantled it...
-dq
> On December 10, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with
> > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff)
> > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
>
> Uhhhh
>
> Sridhar, you ok man?
>
> -Dave
Good question, comments like that are scarry :^) Especially since it
reveals that he's got a storage locker that isn't completely full :^)
Zane
On December 10, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with
> a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff)
> programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
Uhhhh
Sridhar, you ok man?
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL
I have the following mostly (but not all) DEC stuff to give away FREE.
All you have to do is pick it up in Milpitas CA (next door to San Jose).
* A VAXstation-2000. No disks (you'll need to find an RD5x/3x for it).
No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-)
* A VAXstation-3100/30. No disks (but you can use almost any SCSI drive).
No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-)
* A Sophia Systems SA-2000 8-bit ICE. This is a self contained CP/M machine
from the early 80s in a "luggable" case something like the KayPro or Osborne.
Includes SA-DOS boot diskettes but no pods (it boots and runs just fine with
out them).
* A DECmate-II RX50 system (no hard disk) WITHOUT the 6120 CPU chip. System
unit only - no monitor or keyboard.
* About half a dozen DEC orange binders (empty).
* A MicroVMS (VMS v4.x) manual set, in orange binders.
* Most of an OpenVMS v7.x manual set (perfect bound).
* A padded, sound proof printer enclosure for a 14" dot matrix printer,
including a fan.
I only read this list in digest form, and I'm way behind on that, so
please write to me directly if you're interested in anything.
Bob
> **I WILL NOT SHIP THESE ITEMS.** Sorry; they're just too
> heavy and bulky
> for me to package and ship; I just have too much else going
> on right now.
> With everything going on, I STRONGLY prefer someone take
> everything. I will
> not be able to take the time to go through any of this and
> pick out parts
> that people want.
If someone fairly close to Raleigh is on the list,
doesn't lust for these, and is wiling to give me a
hand, I'd like to get as least the docs, or see them
go to someone who can and will get them scanned
fairly soon, I'm a bit in the dark running my
Apollos (the FAQ helps as does some other info
on the web).
I would not mind seeing the entire haul in
my hands but I've got 3 systems of similar
vintage, so I don't want to be a pig.
Anyone near him?
-dq
Sorry can't help with the 11/70.
On a similar thread, for those interested in HP stuff - I did find a
schematic for an
HP2116 32-bit floating point CORDIC co-processor. It's all in US patent
3766370
dated 1973. Patent contains complete schematic, flow charts and microcode.
Uses some logic family I've never heard of, SL159XX series ?
Chris
In a message dated 12/10/2001 5:22:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cdrice(a)pobox.com writes:
<< Among them are several Apollo computers, and stack of misc. hardware
(token
ring parts and cables, misc. video and i/o cables, etc). and a very large
stack of documentation. >>
wish I had the space; I'm within 25 miles of the computers.
As previously posted, the H89 which Joe Rigdon kindly gave me has a problem
with the keyboard input: sometimes it works properly, but sometimes double
characters or wrong characters are produced. This behavior can change
while using the machine -- one moment it's okay, the next moment I get
wrong or double characters.
Anyone have a set of docs they can reproduce for me? Or any experience
with the keyboard controller circuitry on this machine?
TIA --
Glen
0/0
> Let's say a DEC PDP-1 comes up for auction. The economy is
> good and times are stable.
>
> What would you be willing to pay for a DEC PDP-1?
>
> This is strictly a hypothetical.
I'd be willing to pay everything I've got, which would
*not* be enough to be the winning bidder.
So, the real question should be, what would an auction
of a PDP-1 top out at?
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com]
> > It also has (...and this is the reason I rescued it, even
> though it is an
> > intel machine) a really odd graphics adaptor with a 15-pin (two row
> > D-shaped) connector that drives a full-page monochrome
> (white) EGA monitor.
> Sounds Mac like.
You're not kidding. The installation of MS-DOS on the disk resides in the
"SYSTEM" directory.
That aside, I get the impression they used GEM desktop (there are small
components stuck in with the installation of ventura publisher -- either it
came with ventura or was part of the system...)
There is also a more "standard" monitor plug next to the strange one (on the
same card)...
> Thanks, Chris, I appreciate the info. Sorry I cannot help you.
Thanks for the attempt. If they made an 8000, maybe I should keep an eye
out.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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Hi everyone;
It's been a while since I last coded stuff for robot control. The last
time I did that, the DSP56K (dsp56001 in particular) chips were
readily available. Now I need to develop a new platform for
research purposes and I am finding that the once ubiquitous dsp56k
chips have been eol'd (end-of-line'd in motorola parlance).
The suggested replacements are the dsp56301 or 303 chips, which
are code compatible, have 24 bit addressing (instead of 16 bit),
run at 80MIPs instead of 20, and have all the glue logic
for PCI or ISA interfacing built-in (dsp56301, which makes sense in my
application because the robot supervisor will be a Linux server
receiving commands from robot application clients over tcp/ip;
the dsp will be a slave that does the low level yet massive
number crunching stuff). So why don't I just go and choose
the newer parts? Several reasons:
1) I'd prefer to go with unix-based free software tools. There is
a56k and gcc56k for the dsp56k. While the dsp56.3k is supposedly
code-compatible, I am sure that some tweaking would be required to
make these tools work with the new family, and compilers are not
my area of expertise.
2) The older parts have roughly 100 pins and can be wirewrapped, the
new parts have 192 pins and require modern pcb design and production
techniques, which are outrageously expensive in this corner of the
world. I am not comfortable wire-wrapping a design that runs at
80MHz instead of 20.
3) From experience, I know that 20MIPS is enough for the task at hand.
So, I am faced with a familiar problem; an old part that will do the
job in a simpler design is no longer (readily) available; there is
a new, better, faster part, but there aren't as many software goodies
to go with it, and the hardware design tools and fabrication are more
expensive. The key issue is the present availability of the older
parts. I've checked some places and they seem to actually be out
of these chips. So my question to the list is: do you know where
to get dsp56001A chips? Or better yet, do you have some that you don't
plan to use?
carlos.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
Carlos
Sorry I got carried away. If all you need is a slave processor and 20Mips,
then the 56303-EVM is ideal. You get 64k x 8 flash, 32k x 24 fast SRAM,
a 16-bit stereo codec and a pin header for the host port. Also included is a
56002 which acts as an RS232 to JTAG interface for Domain Technologies
Debug-56k debugger, also free from Domain Technologies, www.domaintec.com.
Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com]
> Are you sure that it is not a CPT 8000? That one I am a bit familiar
> with and find ample references by a google search. On 9000, I draw a
> blank.
Well, it says 9000 on the front, I believe. :)
> If it is truly 9000, what floppy disk size does it use?
It was shipped, I think, with both 3.5 and 5.25" high-density floppy drives.
I just found another 3.5" floppy that works in it on Saturday night.
I got no manuals, no software (other than what was extremely messed up and
left on the drive), and a disassembled machine.
The machine is now in more-or-less good shape. I need to pick the tumbler
keyboard lock. For now I've just disconnected it. (Or find a key that
works) I should also replace the power adaptor I've got plugged into the
floppy drive, since it's also got a signal cable adaptor that's not being
used. :)
As I was saying, the installation was pretty botched by the time I got it.
It boots -- thinks it runs MS-DOS 3.2 -- and that's really about it. I
believe the CPU was intel 286. It has a "Tall Tree Systems" JRAM card and
JLaser 3 (I think) daughterboard. a 20MB MFM (or RLL?) 3.5" half-height
hard disk. (Miniscribe, I believe)
It also has (...and this is the reason I rescued it, even though it is an
intel machine) a really odd graphics adaptor with a 15-pin (two row
D-shaped) connector that drives a full-page monochrome (white) EGA monitor.
That's pretty much all I know about it.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Back in September I wrote:
>I've got a lead on a full and working electron microscope.
>It's on-topic because it's old and has some sort of
>computerized digitizing unit. :-)
>I've lined up a big Diesel stake (flat-bed) truck.
>It'll be about a 2-3 hour drive. We've got straps,
>boards, tarps. I'm most concerned about getting it
>*off* the truck and into my office or home basement.
>Any other thoughts from the group?
An update: it's in my garage now. The x-ray spectrometer
is a 11/23-based system running custom apps over RT-11.
The SEM has an 8085-based system for automating various
aspects of the electron microscope column. It's an
AMRAY 1610T, circa 1983:
http://www.threedee.com/jmosn/microscopes/amray/index.html
Even at 1,200 pounds, the column rolled easily on a
pallet jack, off the loading dock ramp and onto the
truck. To get it all off the truck, the farmer next-door
helped with his power-tilt front-loader bucket.
The next trick will be to levitate it down the stairs
and into the basement.
If I can get it all back together again and happy,
it'll magnify down to about 50,000 x.
- John
Robert Schaefer wrote:
>>Here is what you do: If you have a TK70 writable tape, you simply
>>do SAVE EEPROM for those processors that you will update. Then
>>switch to the processor with the prevailing EEPROM image and say
>>UPDATE or UPDATE ALL ... can't remember off the bat here. Just make
>>sure you upgrade them all to the most recent revision.
>>
>
> I'd like to archive a copy of all (both?!?) the versions I have, just to
> keep the bits from fading away. Only trouble is, I only have one, suspect,
> TK70 tape.
You can use TK50 tape as well. Just put them under a bulk-eraser
first. It is said that the media is actually physically the same,
just different labels.
> If I had ole' Betsy booting into NetBSD, I'd just dd an image of
> the tape and reuse it each time, but she don't, and I dunno if it's even
> possible to make a bit-for-bit copy of anything under VMS.
It's less difficult than you think. But I know just what you mean,
VMS is just trying to be too clever :-). But you can do binary
copies, just do this:
$ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512/RECORD=512 MUC6:
$ COPY MUC6: FILE.001
$ COPY MUC6: FILE.002
Now you don't know off hand what the block size on the tape is.
I think, if you pick a block size smaller than the tape's, you
will receive error messages. Experiment with it a little bit.
Analogously, copy as many files as you can, for you don't know
how many files the SAVE EEPROM command has written.
-Gunther
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
On December 10, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote:
> > I think Bill no longer considers it really Sun-specific, Linc..
>
> That's the impression I get as well.
Well, he announced it, and all... 8-)
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
In a message dated 12/10/01 1:32:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mcguire(a)neurotica.com writes:
> I think Bill no longer considers it really Sun-specific, Linc..
>
> -Dave
>
That's the impression I get as well.
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
On December 10, Carlos Murillo wrote:
> So my question to the list is: do you know where to get dsp56001A
> chips? Or better yet, do you have some that you don't plan to use?
I found a small pile of them on eBay about a year ago. I don't
recall how much I paid, but I remember thinking it was pretty cheap.
I may have some left...I will dig for them when I get over to my new
place. Ping me off-list if you don't hear from me by tomorrow.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> > Bear in mind that I'm a FORMER smoker, and that there's no Catholic like a
> > convert, as they say ...
> > I've disassembled a number of CDROM drives that clearly suffered from
>
> D'ya mean that retractable ashtray holder?
>
> I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a
> chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in.
One for to rot,
One for the crows,
One for the farmer,
and one for the keyboards rows?
-dq
> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 06:20:52PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
> > Well, by way of explanation... My trademark on the rescue list is to
> > say "Is she cute?" for ANY mention of any sister, wife, female
> > coworker, any female at all. Somehow I didn't think that'd go over
> > very well on this list. In spite of the unbelievably long off-topic
> > threads that occur here, this is definitely a much less "social" and
> > more "down to business" mailing list. ;)
>
> Actually, its "is she cute"? followed by "does she have a
> sister?" 8-)
>
> Bill (admin of the sunrescue list,
> www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue)
Suns got their own rescue list!
(with a nod to Johnny Hart)...
-dq
Not a bad truck... Let's see, 96 S-10? 2WD, right? And does it really _use_
the cowl-induction hood scoop? ;)
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! -----Original Message-----
! From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com]
! Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:30 PM
! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
! Subject: Re: 11/44 power problem... (Oh, not again...)
!
!
! [Is she cute?]
!
! I dunno. She's my sister. She's more of a pain in the ass
! than anything. ^_^
! http://www.lunar-tokyo.net/pictures/ she's in there somewheres.
!
! -------
!
My mail to this list keeps bouncing, but I'm still getting the digests.
I haven't seen my message in a digest, so I'm assuming no one else saw
it either. So, here we go (again) -- sorry if everyone gets this three
times...
-------- Original Message --------
I've been following this list for some time; however, recent family
emergencies have required me to give up most of my hobbies for some time,
and likely in the future. I'm also having to move rather quickly across
the state and sell my home in Raleigh; I'm selling and giving away a number
of things that I just don't see myself having time to deal with in the near
future.
Among them are several Apollo computers, and stack of misc. hardware (token
ring parts and cables, misc. video and i/o cables, etc). and a very large
stack of documentation.
There are free (unless you feel compelled to make a donation to the feed-
a-Chuck fund). :)
>From my notes (I do NOT absolutely guarantee this is accurate):
- 3500 with:
- 170MB HD
- SMS/Omti controller
- mono video card
- 19" mono monitor
- 32MB RAM
- 3COM 3C505
- DomainOS 10.4.1
- 5 1/4" disk drive
- 3000 (unknown contents)
- 3500 (unknown contents)
- 2500 (unknown contents)
- Another CPU (maybe a 4000?) with color card and monitor; I don't have
all the specs with me, but it was fully functional when I last shut it
down.
- Apollo token ring
- Isolan multiplex repeater
- Lots of misc. parts (cables, keyboards, etc.)
- Lots and lots of books; some still in original shrink-wrap
**I WILL NOT SHIP THESE ITEMS.** Sorry; they're just too heavy and bulky
for me to package and ship; I just have too much else going on right now.
With everything going on, I STRONGLY prefer someone take everything. I will
not be able to take the time to go through any of this and pick out parts
that people want.
I am in Garner, NC (just south of Raleigh). I can provide exact location
and directions upon request.
I am usually only in town on Thursdays and Fridays. Please email me if
you are interested and we can work out the details.
Please help me find a home for these guys; if I don't find a taker pretty
soon, they'll have to go to the recyclers.
- Chuck
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> What rescue list?
>
> For all the rest of us who were going to ask but didn't want
> to look stupid, I thank you. 8^)=
I *think* he's referring to a human rescue list, i.e.
paramedics, people who fly helicopters, rappel down the
sides of cliffs, looking for lost or injured people.
-dq
In a message dated 12/10/01 11:22:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What rescue list?
>
> For all the rest of us who were going to ask but didn't want
> to look stupid, I thank you. 8^)=
>
>
He is most likely speaking of the SunRescue list. You can find it at
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
Come and join the fun :-)
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
What rescue list?
For all the rest of us who were going to ask but didn't want
to look stupid, I thank you. 8^)=
Lee.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Schulman [mailto:louiss@gate.net]
> They probably existed, but I don't recall ever seeing a
> non-bootable program disk for an Apple II. And data
> disks are not much use without program disks.
Well, there was a funny little program that would allow you to "remove DOS
>from a disk to save space" or the like. I assume this would produce just
such a non-bootable disk.
Regards,
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: UberTechnoid(a)home.com [mailto:UberTechnoid@home.com]
> The new optical mice rock hard core man. I can't believe it, but now
> there is a mouse that will track on your ASS. I play
Isn't that uncomfortable?
I'd rather have a special hard-to-find mouse-pad. :)
Regards,
Chris
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--- Louis Schulman <louiss(a)gate.net> wrote:
> Commodore PET drive system. Holy smoke, a whole second computer just
> to operate the drives, and even then, blecch.
Being a PET user from way back, I always liked the Commodore drives from
one particular aspect - they were intellegent peripherals. You didn't
bang on a couple of registers to make magic things happen (like on the
Apple), you communicated your request and it did what you asked or it
told you why it didn't work. The thing I did *not* like about them was
that they were scorchingly expensive. By the time I could afford a
PET drive, nobody cared anymore. I think my first 4040 was about $10
>from the university surplus.
I also liked the fact that the PET did not need boot disks. I saw that
as a major source of problems watching my friends sort through piles of
Apple floppies, looking for a DOS3.3 disk.
-ethan
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> Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> I was just reminded of when I overclocked an F11 chipset on a
>PDP-11/23 (KDF11-A) to 18MHz. It seems to me that it might be
>possible to overclock the 78032 on a KA630. Anybody ever done
that?
I've just sent EK-78032-UG, basically the 78032 User Guide
over to DFWCUG. You can see the gory details once
it arrives and they put it up.
In the meantime, from Appendix A, clock
period is variable from 25ns to 250ns
i.e. 40MHz to 4MHz. It specifically states
(somewhere) that the part will *not*
work down to DC.
The clock should be held in the high
and low states for 16ns each, so even with
infinitely fast rise and fall you cannot do
better than 32ns and stay reliable across
all parts and all temperature ranges.
Now if you are willing to restrict the
temperature range and hope to work
on just *most* parts, who knows :-)
Tweaking a MicroVAX II won't buy
you much. I doubt you could bump the
clock by much more than say 20% without
something going horribly wrong. And the
uVAX II is a fairly well balanced system:
the memory cycle is just about right for
the CPU (I think it works out that the CPU
cycle time matches the memory cycle
time - hence no need for cache).
So if you up the CPU clock, you need
to find some way to speed up the memory
otherwise you don't even see your
modest 20% gain.
Antonio
I'm sure glad to see the list is back up, I originally tried the following
message on Tuesday. I still don't know anything more about the system.
Unfortunatly it's been raining really hard around here since Tuesday, so
the system is still sitting at work, and I've not really been able to
examine it.
Zane
I'm still a little shocked. I just found a working iPDS system, complete
with documentation and some software. Unfortunatly I don't think a lot of
it is still readable. I did get the system to boot and pass all
diagnostics.
I know nothing about these beasties, from looking at the doc's it's
obviously i8085 based with 64k RAM. It's got a single 5 1/4" floppy, and
it's in a case slightly smaller than a Kaypro II. In the area behind the
CRT is a storage area for two pods that each handle two different sizes of
PROMs, these plug into a hole in the right side of the case.
What on earth filesystem are the floppies? Are any kind of software images
available to replace the dead floppies? Is there any software to read and
write to the floppies from MS-DOS?
Basically the main thing I'm interested in is the systems ability to read
and write PROMs. I wouldn't mind being able to use this to support my DEC
hardware :^)
Zane
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! > > Speaking of which, ever open a machine formerly owned by a
! > > dog/cat owner?
! > All the time (we have several cats). I've never had any cat hair
! > in my systems, since I don't allow the cats in the computer room
! > (except for my favorite cat, who likes to sleep in his basket in
! > the corner or on the back of my chair while I'm in there).
!
! Unless they get into territorial marking, they don't stink
! them up much.
!
! But, expect cat and dog hair. In particular, expect cat hair in
! keyboards; cats take to keyboards like taxi drivers take to
! beaded seat
! cushions!
This is where a Keyboard tray comes in very handy!
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On December 9, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> >> > Respectfully suggest, use your kid sister to probe the voltage
> >> points.
> >>
> >> Waiting for the inevitable McGuire "is she cute?".
> >
> > I try to reserve that for the rescue list...less "offendable" crowd
> >over there. ;)
>
> I'll have you know I'm offended by the accusation that we're easily
> offended around here! :^)
Well, by way of explanation... My trademark on the rescue list is to
say "Is she cute?" for ANY mention of any sister, wife, female
coworker, any female at all. Somehow I didn't think that'd go over
very well on this list. In spite of the unbelievably long off-topic
threads that occur here, this is definitely a much less "social" and
more "down to business" mailing list. ;)
-Dave
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Hi,
I have sitting on my shelf a PDP 11/34 working unit rescued from the recyclers. The system was operational when decomissioned. Caveat: no power supply. So the pieces or the whole are up for grabs, shipping costs only. I thought they may be of interest to the right people, since most of the boards were original DEC. I also have a CD-ROM full of DEC maintenance and service documents for the PDP series. Any interest in that, ask for details. Be aware that I live in Ottawa, Canada.
Here is the list of cards found in there. I am not sure it is complete, because I may have listed only the ones I could actually recognize.
PDP 11/34 CARDS
DIGITAL
M7762 RL11 U RX01 floppy disk controller
M7856 DL11-W U SLU and realtime clock
M7859 U 11/34 programmable console interface
M8256 RX211 U RX02 floppy disk controller
M8265 KD11-EA U 11/34A processor data paths
M8266 KD11-EA U 11/34A processor microcode module
M8267 FP11-A U 11/34A floating point processor
M9202 U UNIBUS connector, inverted
(M9192+M9292 assembled M9202 1" apart with 2' cable)
M9312 U Bootstrap and terminator module
OTHER
Dataram Corp U 256K DRAM board
The system was obviously well cared for and was not even dusty. The console board is the one that includes an Intel 8008 processor. The system case and front-end are impeccable.
I don't collect PDP equipment, but I hate to see a nice system go to the junkyard. At the same time, I need to make room for other masterpieces in peril.
Cheers,
Frederic Charpentier
> From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com>
> Well, by way of explanation... My trademark on the rescue list is to
> say "Is she cute?" for ANY mention of any sister, wife, female
> coworker, any female at all.
What rescue list?
Glen
0/0
All,
With regards to the DEC CDs, I will extract the titles of the manuals (about 200, I think) and post them. There are too many service bulletins and the titles are all numbered, so I won't have the time for that. For those who requested the CD's, I will let you know when they are ready -- some time this week. I am not sure that mounting images of the CDs on ftp is a good idea (I don't know what the copyright issues are there), but I don't mind making copies for those who want them.
...oh -- and yes, I will let you know about the stuff that I would like to get pretty soon... :-)
Cheers,
Frederic Charpentier
On Dec 9, 18:13, Jerome Fine wrote:
> Memorex used to have a web site that listed all the properties of
> DECTape (i.e. I for the TK50 with the name in brown) on the plastic
> holder and DECTape II (II i.e. for the TK70).
ObNitPick (just to prove we're back in list mode :-)): I believe Jerome
means CompacTape and CompacTape II. DECTape is the 3/4" stuff on the
"funny little reels".
Nominal capacities are 95MB for TK50 and 295MB for TK70. I suspect a
larger blocking factor will indeed get you more partitions on the TK70.
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On December 8, Tothwolf wrote:
> Another interesting tidbit about this box, it still has its inventory
> sticker from NASA, and it orig cost good old uncle sam $22,000+. Anyone
> else wonder why they didn't have it outfitted with a network interface of
> somesort, especially with it costing that much already?
Not at all. Not all computers are used as part of networks, you
know. ;)
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL