> That would probably be a really good resource for people who tend to see
> computers around an want to know what they're looking at... It would be
> especially useful for machines that are similar in enclosure but not in
> firmware.
I think we could extrac them from issues of PHRACK...
;)
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
> > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
>
> Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-)
Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking!
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL
> > Before I moved to FL, Sridhar and Brian Hechinger came down to hang
> > out and hack on stuff, and crashed on my couches.
>
> You mean, these people really exist and aren't figments of sendmail's
> imagination? :-P
<NOT_A_TROLL>
Funny, I just recently opened a thread about "discussion bots" on
alt.computers.folklore... from what I read and what I'd recalled
seeing in the past, I think I can safely say no bots are on this
list...
</NOT_A_TROLL>
-dq
Hey peoples!
I have been spending my time working programs in
Applesoft basic.
What would be the best way to share these programs with
others?
I have an apple II c with 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 " floppies.
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> > > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
> > > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
> > >
> > > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-)
> >
> > Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking!
>
> Hey. There are a lot of things more fun than alcohol.
Hey, I LIKE getting drunk!
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
> ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* but *fast*.
> !
> ! Peace... Sridhar
>
> Sridhar ---
> Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little
> strange? ;)
Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat.
;)
That would probably be a really good resource for people who tend to see
computers around an want to know what they're looking at... It would be
especially useful for machines that are similar in enclosure but not in
firmware.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de]
> What about a (web browseable) collection of prom / boot messages of
> classic machines and OSes?
>
! On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
! > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
! > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
! >
! > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-)
!
! Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking!
!
! -Dave
And a hearty "hear-hear!" to that! Not to mention, he doesn't really
look the 'raver' type. Hmmm... ;)
Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my APA Pool Team
plays. We're in first, with only two more matches to go! Then playoffs for
the States, then it's off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully!
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> > Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat.
> >
> > ;)
>
> Well, the reason I wanted to do it *old* and *fast*...
>
> I wanted to do it old because I actually own a first-revision PDP-11/70
> which my father bought brand new back in the mid-70's when it first came
> out before I was born. It's a really really neat machine with gobs of I/O
> bandwidth. It's fast too. So it made me think what I might be able to do
> with modern components and still make it compatible with my 11/70. (FYI,
> my 11/70 is still working and is still original, down to its fuses and
> fascia).
That is *so* cool, preserving a machine by keeping it in the family!
-dq
On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> ! > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my
> ! > storage locker with
> ! > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer
> ! > (thanks again, Jeff)
> ! > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
> !
> ! Uhhhh
> !
> ! Sridhar, you ok man?
>
> I dunno, Dave. When he picked up that VaxServer3100 from me yesterday, he
> did have a funny look on his face, right before he went into the pizza
> shop...
Before I moved to FL, Sridhar and Brian Hechinger came down to hang
out and hack on stuff, and crashed on my couches. Late the next
morning, I walk into the living room to find Sridhar just waking up.
He sits up, gets what is likely that very same funny look on his face,
and says "NAME THY FECES!!"
I think the boy needs to eat more beef and less plantlife. All
that chlorophyll is getting into his brain. ;)
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
> > With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon!
>
> I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF
> East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings
> machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook
> up to me.
Ok, Russ, to see Sridhar's stuff, we gotta get together and do a
Hillbilly VCF 1.0
If we time it right and have it in Owensboro, we could
make it a part of the Kentucky Burgoo Festival...
;)
I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with
a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff)
programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
Peace... Sridhar
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF
> East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings
> machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook
> up to me.
Eh? The G1 isn't 10 years old, is it?
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
> I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a
> chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in.
You got it from Sellam, right? ;>)
Glen
0/0
Let's say a DEC PDP-1 comes up for auction. The economy is good and times
are stable.
What would you be willing to pay for a DEC PDP-1?
This is strictly a hypothetical.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
> And a hearty "hear-hear!" to that! Not to mention, he
> doesn't really look the 'raver' type. Hmmm... ;)
> Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my
> APA Pool Team plays. We're in first, with only two more
> matches to go! Then playoffs for the States, then it's
> off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully!
We used to have a drinking night here, but your truly
couldn't be bothered by the beer everyone else was
having that night and opted for Maker's Mark on an
empty stomach... that drove the nail in the Tuesday
Night coffin (at our office).
And I want to point out: the diminished capacity
for judgement begins *before* you had the first
drink. Blaming the alcohol is engaging in bad faith...
-dq
> ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
>The outputs of this PSU are +/-5V to +/-15V. They're all safe to
touch,
>although they can supply significant current when the machine is in
>operation (I think the main logic supply is 5V, 125A).
When I was working on a VAX 6000 once, the combination
of +5V @ > 100A and human-appendages-with-nearby-metal
(fingers with ring, wrists with metal watchstraps etc.) was
quaintly described as an opportunity to lose an appendage and
simultaneously cauterize the wound :-)
>The main hazard is inside the PSU. There are a couple of _large_
>capacitors that form part of a 400V supply straight from the mains.
The
>output of this supply is distributed to the PSU boards by
barrier-strip
>type screw terminals at the top of the boards. This supply can kill
you!
Stone dead, I should think!
All PSUs deserve respect. This one sounds
like it deserves more than most :-)
Antonio
>
> > I don't smoke or eat weed around my computers. Chips occasionally, but
> > that's about it.
>
> I've had systems, that when I opened them, the air intake filters oozed
> with residue and reeked of herb.
Did I mention I run a filter recycling service? Please mail
your filters to:
';liwrfjuscljhapos8hs
NO CARRIER
On December 11, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
>
> Don't bother:
>
> http://www.farts.com/
fear
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! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
! > ! best friends
! > ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means
! > ! some extra
! > ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
! >
! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
!
! I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
!
! -Dave
That's fine. I've got a cold, and a stuffy node right now... ;-)
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On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> ! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer
> ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air
> ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had
> ! no issues with kitty fur.
> !
> ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
> ! best friends
> ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra
> ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
>
> Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
On December 11, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon!
Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
! > ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old*
! > ! but *fast*.
! > !
! > ! Peace... Sridhar
! >
! > Sridhar ---
! > Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little
! > strange? ;)
!
! Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat.
!
! ;)
What?
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> I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with
> a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff)
> programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
*I* could enjoy programming in BASIC on an IBM Portable,
too, if I was sitting in a storage unit filled with the
kind of goodies you've got in *yours*, Sridhar!
With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon!
-dq
On December 9, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
> [Is she cute?]
>
> I dunno. She's my sister. She's more of a pain in the ass than anything. ^_^
> http://www.lunar-tokyo.net/pictures/ she's in there somewheres.
Hmm, yes, quite cute. You can tell her I said so. :)
-Dave
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That's funny!
[Ctrl][D]...
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! -----Original Message-----
! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com]
! Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:55 PM
! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
! Subject: RE: Smoking around computers
!
!
! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
!
! > I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
!
! Don't bother:
!
! http://www.farts.com/
!
! Sellam Ismail Vintage
! Computer Festival
! --------------------------------------------------------------
! ----------------
! International Man of Intrigue and Danger
! http://www.vintage.org
!
On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> ! > ! Dave McGuire wrote...
> ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
> ! > ! best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she
> ! > ! wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
> ! >
> ! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
> ! >
> ! > --- David A Woyciesjes
> !
> ! Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya
> ! herself! :-)
>
> Wait sec there buddy... Never said cats weren't cute (my lil' Isabelle is
> the best!) I was just commenting on Dave M. being such a pushover for his
> kitties...
> :)
Yeah, I admit it, she controls me...
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
! > ! Dave McGuire wrote...
! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
! > ! best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she
! > ! wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
! >
! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
! >
! > --- David A Woyciesjes
!
! Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya
! herself! :-)
Wait sec there buddy... Never said cats weren't cute (my lil' Isabelle is
the best!) I was just commenting on Dave M. being such a pushover for his
kitties...
:)
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Ok while going through the mass of crap I've collected together and finally
gotten losse from my storage trailer, I came across an Intel math
coprocessor, with gold legs and cap on the "purplish" grey ceramic. On the
pin 1 side you can see a thin gold plate (the chip itself I guess) in the
index spot and on the opposite end it has a rectangle filled with epoxy. It
also has a gold stripe from the center cap to the #1 pin index mark.
Is this worth a crap or am I just disillusioned by the enormous amount that
the 8080a went for on eBay a few weeks ago?
> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
> I wouldn't want anybody smoking near my computers!
I've been chain-smoking around computers of various sorts for 20 years, and
I've never seen any evidence of smoke-related problems. I prefer that
computers don't smoke around me, however ;>)
OTOH, audio gear seems to be very susceptible to my smoke, and I have to
clean all the switches and pots every three months or so.
Glen
0/0
On December 11, Russ Blakeman wrote:
> Ok while going through the mass of crap I've collected together and finally
> gotten losse from my storage trailer, I came across an Intel math
> coprocessor, with gold legs and cap on the "purplish" grey ceramic. On the
> pin 1 side you can see a thin gold plate (the chip itself I guess) in the
> index spot and on the opposite end it has a rectangle filled with epoxy. It
> also has a gold stripe from the center cap to the #1 pin index mark.
>
> Is this worth a crap or am I just disillusioned by the enormous amount that
> the 8080a went for on eBay a few weeks ago?
They're all over the place, man. Sorry.
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL
In a message dated Tue, 11 Dec 2001 2:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> writes:
> ! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer
> ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air
> ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had
> ! no issues with kitty fur.
> !
> ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
> ! best friends
> ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra
> ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
>
> Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
>
> --- David A Woyciesjes
Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya herself! :-)
! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer
! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air
! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had
! no issues with kitty fur.
!
! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
! best friends
! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra
! filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
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! > > But, expect cat and dog hair. In particular, expect cat hair in
! > > keyboards; cats take to keyboards like taxi drivers take
! > > to beaded seat
! > > cushions!
!
! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
! > My cats have always been more intent on distracting me than
! > playing with
! > the computer, or sleep on it. They'll walk on the keyboard
! > while I'm
! > using it, or walk in my line of the monitor, etc.
! > I think what happens with keyboards is that the cat hair
! > settles in it
! > from the air..... cat hair becomes air borne very easily. Since you
! > can't really wipe the hair off from in between the keys....
! > like you can
! > wipe the hair from the desk, so it just builds up.
!
! I deal with all of the computers for the Berkeley East Bay Humane
! Society. The resident cats in the office all like to sleep
! on keyboards.
!
! I set them up with keyboard drawers whenever I can get them
! cheap, or they
! get donated (hint. HINT!) But training the office staff to shut the
! drawers when not in use isn't easy.
Hmmm, spring-loaded drawers? Low-stregth springs, of course. ;-)
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> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
> The H89 is a little strange. It's really a serial terminal (almost the
> same as a H19) and a Z80-based computer in the same box. Yes, they
> communicate via an RS232 link between the terminal logic board and the
> CPU board.
A *little* strange?
> So the problem could be in just about any area of the unit.
Great! ;>)
> I would start by ignoring the computer part for the moment and turning it
> back into a terminal. Disconnect the 0.1" header jumper between the
> terminal logic PCB and the CPU PCB. Connect one of the serial sockets on
> the back (normally connected to the triple serial card plugged into the
> CPU board) to the connector on the terminal logic PCB. And then short
> pins 2 and 3 on this serial socket.
[snip a lot more really expert advice]
Tony, thanks a million. I'd really like to get this baby up and running,
as it's the only machine I have which uses 5.25" hard-sectored floppies.
I'm pretty sure I'll be able to identify the components you mention by
eyeballing them (I have no docs) and am looking forward to doing this in
the next week or so, but in the meantime, can you answer just one more
question for me:
How do I open this friggin' box!@!$#&!
TIA,
Glen
0/0
! David Woyciesjes wrote:
! > This is where a Keyboard tray comes in very handy!
! Not when they figure they make a great pillow for napping. The still
! will find a way to be the center of attention.
! --
! Ben Franchuk --- Pre-historic Cpu's --
! www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Okay, I meant a keyboard tray that slides under the desk surface, or
something like that...
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> I feel the same way Zach, even being an ex-smoker but when someone
> ingests/shoots/snorts/etc a substance that makes them a danger to the
> general public like it does if a person is stoned or drunk and on the road
> with me and my family then I tend to feel like personally tying them to a
> stake in front of a firing squad.
Agreed. I also feel that way about most proposed corporate mergers.
Carly Fiorina is currently tops on the stakeout list... and it would
appear that the Packard Foundation has joined with the Hewlett and
Packard famlies in opposing the merger.
Peter Coffee was talking about it in McNeil-Lehrer last night,
and he seems to think the old-time techies who recall HP from
their early days, and whom are now enjoying higher positions
in many companies, are also actively opposing the merger. The
consensus is that the technology what results from the merged
firms will run only Windows and use only Intel processors, and
that's (wisely) perceived as a negative.
When technology abandons diversity, I think I'll abandon
technology (unless it's vintage).
-dq
I must say, with having two cats, I've never had a problem...
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! -----Original Message-----
! From: Christopher Smith [mailto:csmith@amdocs.com]
! Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:37 AM
! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
! Subject: RE: Smoking around computers
!
!
! > -----Original Message-----
! > From: charles hobbs [mailto:chobbs@socal.rr.com]
!
! > Speaking of which, ever open a machine formerly owned by a
! > dog/cat owner?
!
! I have. Being a cat owner, I find that I need to clean my systems of
! cat-hair on a regular basis.
!
! Regards,
!
! Chris
!
!
! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
! Amdocs - Champaign, IL
!
! /usr/bin/perl -e '
! print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
! '
!
!
> Yeah I know, but GI's have a regular falir for bastardizing about anything
> they hear/see. I used to come up with all sorts of "cracks" when I was a
> military instructor (course instructor, not drill instructor) at Chanute in
> IL until it closed in 93. Heard of RETS in L'ville too, seems there's a
> rivalry between students that go to ITT Tech and RETS on who picked the
> right school. I worked with all sorts of them at Jabil Services in L'ville
> both times I've been out there.
yeah, RETS students who insist the ITT Tech students picked
the right one... and vice-versa.
;)
> Yeah,
> Does it bother you that much if someone else is smoking though? In all
> honesty, IMHO people should be allowed to smoke, ingest, or shoot up with
> whatever they feel like, as long as they are not harming others. Sure, the
> smoke smells horrible, and I dislike being around people who are smoking
> (this is also due to the second hand smoke issue), but I have no problem
> with it.
Agreed... but if they blow smoke in my face, I'm likely to
have a "milkshake accident" in their direction (that's
where someone tells you a funny while you've got a mouth-
full of milkshake, and well, you probably get the idea).
-dq
Hi,
I have a friend who may be interested if you're willing to ship some of the
stuff. Since you didn't mention shipping, I thought I'd ask. I would be
interested in the VMS docsets, myself. Otherwise, unfortunately, I don't
know anyone in the area.
Thanks,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bob(a)jfcl.com [mailto:bob@jfcl.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:57 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Free DEC stuff in Milpitas CA
>
>
>
> I have the following mostly (but not all) DEC stuff to give
> away FREE.
> All you have to do is pick it up in Milpitas CA (next door to
> San Jose).
>
> * A VAXstation-2000. No disks (you'll need to find an
> RD5x/3x for it).
> No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-)
>
> * A VAXstation-3100/30. No disks (but you can use almost any
> SCSI drive).
> No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-)
>
> * A Sophia Systems SA-2000 8-bit ICE. This is a self
> contained CP/M machine
> from the early 80s in a "luggable" case something like the
> KayPro or Osborne.
> Includes SA-DOS boot diskettes but no pods (it boots and
> runs just fine with
> out them).
>
> * A DECmate-II RX50 system (no hard disk) WITHOUT the 6120
> CPU chip. System
> unit only - no monitor or keyboard.
>
> * About half a dozen DEC orange binders (empty).
>
> * A MicroVMS (VMS v4.x) manual set, in orange binders.
>
> * Most of an OpenVMS v7.x manual set (perfect bound).
>
> * A padded, sound proof printer enclosure for a 14" dot
> matrix printer,
> including a fan.
>
> I only read this list in digest form, and I'm way behind on that, so
> please write to me directly if you're interested in anything.
>
> Bob
>
> Moth balls work too but you have to be careful holding the
> moths down while you get their balls.
Gosh, Russ, hadn't heard that one
since I was teaching digital at RETS!
;)
! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* but *fast*.
!
! Peace... Sridhar
Sridhar ---
Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little
strange? ;)
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