- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

I think the IBM S/360 was 'stack challenged' too, iirc //Rich Hi, I found this really interesting: The PDP-8 has no concept of a stack. It does have sub-routines though. Instead of pushing the instruction pointer onto a stack, it's being written at the location to which the call is directed (first address of the subroutine). Then a return is simply an indirect jump to that first address of the subroutine. This is hillarious! Wasn't the notion of a stack arond already before 1965? fun stuff, isn't it?

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OT: RE: Cats around computers

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Do you (or someone you know) have a pet guinea pig? They were originally domesticated and raised as food, in Peru. I must say a good barbequed cuy (which is what they are called there) is quite tasty, though not much meat on them. -----Original Message----- From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:24 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Cats around computers On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > old Rocket J. himself... Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I've seen the brown recluse in my home, among several > > other species. Can't always tell which is which but I > > can tell that some are different from others. > > The brown recluse has a very clear fiddle mark on their body. You can't > mistake them for anything else. I've found them in camp showers (eeek). > They are unpleasantly fond of human company. I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) or have perfect vision, and aren't near-sighted... that or you wear contacts or always wear your glasses.... anything further away than a monitor screen is *usually* a complete blue for me. Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider to "present, front and center" so i can check? ;) > The wolf spider is frequently mistaken for a brown recluse even though > they're grey, not brown; they're considerably larger; and they definitely > don't have the fiddle marking. This is unfortunate since people take > shoes and other implements to wolf spiders who are good to have in the > house as they keep insects down to a minimum, and don't bother people. The wolfs are probably what I've got, then... -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > >> > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > >> > > >> Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > > >> someone who can only hear things far away. > > Actually, neither of you are right. Presbyopia is not being able to see > near or far due to lack of accomodative ability caused by age. > Farsightedness is hyperopia. ...and Sridharopia is the desire to hack on a 1GHz PDP11 in a storage locker with an electric heater using an old DOS box as a terminal! :-) There, that was at least *closer* to being on-topic! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Jeff Hellige wrote: > The unfortunate thing about the brown recluse is that you > likely won't see it before it bites you and the insides of equipment > that has been out in a shed or something similar is a good place for > them. I'm no longer sure what areas they're common in, but the Ozark > mountains of southern Missouri has their share of them. I found two in my basement in Laurel MD, Jeff... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > someone who can only hear things far away. I had not a *clue* how to spell it... how funny that the mispelling turned out to be something! > > Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider > > to "present, front and center" so i can check? > > Definitely on the back, hence the common name fiddleback spider. hadn't heard that name might explain why I was able to see them when I was younger tho... but I saw all kinds of things in those "paisley days"....

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Roger Merchberger wrote: > And yes, cow's tongue is very good also, when prepared correctly, but I > never did acquire a taste for the pickled pork hocks... I don't "pretend" > what I like, because I like most everything. Well this is very cool...my sense of "gross" is a little oversensitive I think; I know a few people who don't have any at all...I must admit I'm somewhat jealous of them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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What's with this Lisa?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey H. Ingber [mailto:jhingber@ix.netcom.com] > I have a similar machine which I would call identical except for the > green-screen. All the "prototype" markings that the auction makes > mention of I have seen seen on my Lisa, as well as the only other one > I've seen. I believe these markings to be common, and that the screen > was a replacement job by a 3rd party. Is this guy > misinformed or am I? Well, I don't know whether they actually implied that the machine was a prototype... Just mentioned the markings as making it "unique." (a very slight distinction, anyway) You're right that they (the markings on the boards) might be common, though I certainly haven't seen any Lisas with green CRTs, myself. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > > > two slide > > > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it > looks just like a > > > regular analog cassette tape. > > No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) > Is your data really worth that _little_ that it's not worth > buying the > right tape? Well, any data I'd consider storing on such a strange, you-probably-won't-see-another, device would have to be worth very little, or, more likely, backed up onto CD, DAT, or 8MM. :) That, and where do you suggest one should get "digital cassette" these days? > > I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved > resolution, etc, in > > cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. > I am pretty sure the coercivity of the tape in the 'digital' > cassettes is > considerably high that that of the tape in normal audio cassettes... Well, again, cassettes have gotten better. Depending on the age of this "digital cassette" technology, it might substitute in a pinch. Speaking of which, anyone remember anything about the VHS tape backup devices? Capacity, systems they'd work with, etc? A friend and I were discussing these a few days ago. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have two slide > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > regular analog cassette tape. Yeah, I've got a drive from an old Burroughs teller machine... Had a bunch of Burroughs stuff I dumped about five years ago, though I still have a direct-wire 1200 baud modem... -dq

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[PDP8-Lovers] if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 13, 9:26, Mark Crispin wrote: > Unique? Quite a few processors of that time had a store-PC-and-jump type of > subroutine call. The beloved PDP-10 had three (JSR, JSP, JSA/JRA) and > subsequent enhancements added more (JSYS, XPCW); yet it also had stacks from > its inception. > > Contemporary programming languages, such as BASIC and FORTRAN, did not use > stack subroutines. It's possible that modern BASIC and FORTRAN compilers may > permit recursive subroutine calls, but doing so is still prohibited by the > language specification. Now you know why. That's not wholly true; FORTRAN prior to FORTRAN-90 prohibits recursion but it's a required feature in FORTRAN 90. I don't believe it's actually prohibited in BASIC of the mid-to-late 60's. There were certainly inplementations in the early 70s that allowed it, and it's a feature of the modern standards (both de-facto and ANSI). Recursion was also a (required) feature of ALGOL in 1958, and its successors, as was stack-based evaluation. However, in support of Mark, it's worth noting that the main reason there's no recursion allowed in FORTRAN, and it almost was omitted from the original ALGOL spec, was that it was hard for people to understand how it could be implemented across a variety of architectures. Stacks had been around since the mid-50s but lots of machines provided no specific support for them. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I bought a CGA-compatible video cards a few years back > > (80s), that had an incompatible hi-res mode in addition > > to the CGA, and a mouse interface. > > > > The manual kept referring to "the connector of the ten ways". > > This sounded *SO* Zen that I was sure than once I had it > > figured it, it'd be the secret to life. > > > > Finally dawned on me that this was "10-pin connector". > > In the UK (I have no idea if the expression is used in the States), the > term n-way connector is common. It means (of course) an connector with n > indepedant connections. It's often used for things like jack plugs ('phone > plugs' in the States) which don't really have pins. Calling the plug on > the end of a pair of stereo headphones a '3 pin plug' seems strange... Of course, we've some of the same linguistic heritage; but here, that usage's most frequent occurance is in a phrase relating to ways that deviate from each other, i.e. a four-way stop. The four ways all go away from each other. A cable with connectors like that might not be very useful (of course, as soon as I say that I envision an old-style RGB video cable with BNCs each "going their own way." -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > This is unfortunate since people take shoes and other implements to > > wolf spiders who are good to have in the house as they keep insects > > down to a minimum, and don't bother people. > > Anything in my house with more than four legs dies. It's as simple as > that. So, the beast with two backs never makes itself seen in your home? ;) -dq

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about > > eberything on the planet that people make a regular > > habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he > > mentioned. > > Fear. > > I will never understand the "I am cool because I eat, and pretend to > like, things that gross most people out" mentality. Well, although he was a zoologist, I'd agree it's a stretch (wants to know about animals so eats them), but for all I know, he may have wanted to be an anthropologist. It would be quite appropriate and understandable for one o' them to want to give everything a try... He had cancer back in those days, beat it, but I've no idea whether he's still around or not. We never, ever saw him down in the computer center, even though we had some applications we support for the biology department (bringing us back to classic computers). If he ever took to computers, they'd probably have been Macintoshes... -dq

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > > > old Rocket J. himself... > > > > > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > > > Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu > > down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... > > or Food Lion... > > Yes. But I maintain that squirrels are NOT FOOD not because you > won't find them in Food Lion...but you won't find them in Food Lion > because they're NOT FOOD. :) > > > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? > > I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? > They're sometimes known as "southern sliders"... when you see them, you'll know why... And re: squirrels, lemme tell ya, I wouldn't be alive if they *weren't* food... there were times when squirrel wasn't the usual delicacy, but the only damned thing my ancestors could find to eat. -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > > This is unfortunate since people take shoes and other implements to > > wolf spiders who are good to have in the house as they keep insects > > down to a minimum, and don't bother people. > > Anything in my house with more than four legs dies. It's as simple as > that. I with you there, Jeff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Info-Vax mailing list messages previous to 1981

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hi again. I've checked CRVAX server but I can't locate what I'm searching... Anybody knows a place where could be located the INFO-VAX mailing list messages previous to 17-May-1981 ? This is the date of the first message gatewayed to the Fa.info-vax newsgroup. If I read correctly the info that appears in http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue3_8/chapter10/ , Usenet began in 1979, and the FA.* groups were gatewayed >from mailing lists to the Usenet newsgroups by the long time closed (1994 if the RIP note of one person that I assume was Keith Bostic was correct) UCBVAX server. Do you heard about some kind of backup or so of these early Usenet and/or mailing lists messages ? By the way, a little swinging in the messages of these years is, like Spock could say without any doubt, "fascinating". By example, one reference to one Datamation of 1981 that did a critic about the Unix interface :-) ,,, or one guy that tried in 1981 to do one list of DBMS for Unix. I don't know if somebody knows cause of direct participation some of these hits. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > > old Rocket J. himself... > > > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu > down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... > or Food Lion... Yes. But I maintain that squirrels are NOT FOOD not because you won't find them in Food Lion...but you won't find them in Food Lion because they're NOT FOOD. :) > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > > > Anyone watch FoodTV? I think the show was called Xtreme Food.. One section > showed the guys hunting in their backyard.. Shooting some squirrel.. And how > to cook it... It was called "Squirrel Fricasse" This really was on TV.. > HONEST! I think this was in Louisana... My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about eberything on the planet that people make a regular habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he mentioned. > But what looked good was the deep-fried wild turkey. Dunno about wild, but Bob&Tom's domestic deep-fry recipie is a big winner around here... > P.S. I wonder what kind of wine goes good with squirrel? A > couple of bottles before it is set down in front of you??! Oh, Ripple, Richard's, MD2020 if you need Kosher... -dq

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > two slide > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > regular analog cassette tape. No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved resolution, etc, in cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > If it topped out at 7 MBps, it was probably because the bus handshake was > > clocked with a CPU clock, in order to ensure the CPU would "see" the > > transitions. > > I am reminded of my favorite piece of broken english, found in a > Taiwanese PeeCee motherboard manual many years ago: > > "If use 387 coprocessor, the clocked by CPU clock." > > No, I made no typos there. :-) I bought a CGA-compatible video cards a few years back (80s), that had an incompatible hi-res mode in addition to the CGA, and a mouse interface. The manual kept referring to "the connector of the ten ways". This sounded *SO* Zen that I was sure than once I had it figured it, it'd be the secret to life. Finally dawned on me that this was "10-pin connector". -dq

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Internet Historical Documents Translation

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. A short note to thanks the help about Google Usenet Groups. I probed the &Filter=0 and works :-) I want to begin a project with a large projection in time. I want to translate to spanish language all the historical and classic computer documents I can. I should like to begin with articles, files and documents of relevance about the Internet, but I am thinking in mirror some classic computers websites translating them to my idiom. I don't know if anybody could be interested about it and permit to do the mirror and translation. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > old Rocket J. himself... > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... or Food Lion... BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? -dq

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Cats around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >>! Some people say tape works well to keep them off things ! >>! (sticky side up), but both my cats seem to rather like ! >>! it, and I find they stand on it ! >>! padding at the tape purring happily. ! > ! >They lick the adhesive too? ! ! Not that I have ever seen, they just step and press their ! paws against it ! over and over... kind of like when they are pressing down a pillow to ! sit, or in the case of one of mine, when he is hungry, he jumps on my ! lap, and presses his paws into my sternum over and over until I am ! annoyed (or in enough pain as he does it pretty hard), to get ! up and feed ! him. Well, my 3 1/2 year old cat, Isabelle, like to like tape and pictures. Never figured that one out yet... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > old Rocket J. himself... Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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What's with this Lisa?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >You're right that they (the markings on the boards) might be common, though > >I certainly haven't seen any Lisas with green CRTs, myself. > > Now, I've never tried to replace the CRT in something like a > Lisa or other single piece machine, but I wouldn't think that the CRT > would be that difficult to replace? For companies like Zenith that > actually manufactured CRT's, I could see there possibly be a problem > with swapping it out for a different one though but I know that Apple > didn't manufacture the CRT's in the Lisa. Difficult you mean in terms of finding a replacement, I assume... it *is* fairly easy to replace on in a Mac, procedure-wise, but I had a boxed new Apple replacement to drop in... -dq

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Zen and the art of computer collecting (was SuperFast PDP11)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Both Zen and the English translation of that manual > come from the far east. Somehowe they always talk > like "one lip whispering" over there........... > Joshi and two monks were watching a flag waving atop a flagpole. One monk said "Look, the flag moves." The second monk said "Look, the wind moves." Joshi spoke thus: "Mind moves."

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > Would 200MHz be fast enough ? A lot of the Xilinx fpga's offer 5ns pin to pin > > In a word, no. 8-) Jeeeeezus Sridhar, how fast did you have in mind? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Ian Koller wrote: > > That's the only thing I don't like about sbus. You can fill up an > > sbus card with three good-sized chips. Ridiculous. > > They make doubles. They also make double-decker triples. That's not the point. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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RIP: Betty Holberton

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

12 inches for a thousandth of a second sounds a little off...though I'm too lazy to do the math... -Dave On December 12, Geoff Reed wrote: > 12 inch copper wire IIRC for MS > > Packet of cracked pepper for NS > > packet of salt for FemtopSecond > > IIRC.... > > At 11:08 AM 12/12/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > > > > On December 11, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > > > > > Look to /. > > > > > > > > > > This is one whom coined the bug and debugging I think. :-) > > > > > > > > If you're talking about the terms, that was Rr. Adm. Grace Hopper. > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of whom, do you know where I could obtain a video tape of the > > > talks she used to give? I'm especially interested in the one where she > > > related the anecdote about her needing a wire a nanosecond (pico?) long. > > > > > > g. > > > > > > >She used to pass them out in her presentations, Gene. They were > >approximately 12" long. > > - don > > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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What's with this Lisa?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Also, the auction states that the green CRT is easier on the > eyes...isn't that false? I always thought that the paperwhite > displays, such as used on some DEC terminals and monitors such as the > Multisync GS, were easier on the eyes than the green? That depends on the eyes. ;) I certainly prefer the white. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > I remember reading an ancient article about how this wasn't > the case; I'm sure someone less senile can recall the exact > details, but dropouts in particular couldn't be tolerated > by digital systems, where the ear (mind) will just ignore > many audio inconsistencies... I'm sure it could tolerate them fine if it had any decent error-correction mechanisim built in. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Pinouts for Vaxstation 3100 monochrome cable?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I have a VS3100 m38 also, running NetBSD 1.5 on the built-in mono adaptor. I also have the VR262 19" mono screen to go with it. I can take my cable home tonight, where my multi-meter is. I can double check for you... BTW, are you not going to use color (adaptor) in it? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] ! Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:27 PM ! To: Classic Computers ! Subject: Pinouts for Vaxstation 3100 monochrome cable? ! ! ! Hi, all. ! I have a vaxstation 3100 m38 running NetBSD, and I'd like to be able ! to use the local monochrome display. I've removed the SPX ! color adapter, ! and made up a cable according to the pinouts on Kee's VS3100 page. His ! pinouts are composite on pin 9 and ground on 3 for a BC23K-03 cable. ! However, with the cobbled cable attached, I don't get any output. ! Question 1: Did I miss a jumper on the mainboard? ! Question 2: I assumed that the pins were numbered in the ! same order as ! an AUI ethernet connector. Looking at the female, I have 1-8 ! right-to-left, and 9-15 R-t-L. Is this correct? ! Question 3: I'm using an IBM Power17 display. Multisync, ! separate-sync, ! composite-sync and sync-on-green capable, I would think it would work ! with mono input on the green. It does work fine with the SPX adapter. ! Question 4: I also have a Digital VR160 display, but everything I've ! read implies that it won't do monochrome. Is that true? ! ! Has anybody been successful with a monochrome display on ! this box? Any ! help would be most welcome. ! ! Doc !

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to old Rocket J. himself... -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I've seen the brown recluse in my home, among several > > other species. Can't always tell which is which but I > > can tell that some are different from others. > > The brown recluse has a very clear fiddle mark on their body. You can't > mistake them for anything else. I've found them in camp showers (eeek). > They are unpleasantly fond of human company. Following up on my last remarks, then I was younger, I could see better, that's when I recalled seeing the fiddle in the house. Plus, I do seem to recall it being on the underside of the thingie... -dq

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) > > I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved resolution, etc, in > cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. Actually, I remember reading an ancient article about how this wasn't the case; I'm sure someone less senile can recall the exact details, but dropouts in particular couldn't be tolerated by digital systems, where the ear (mind) will just ignore many audio inconsistencies... -dq

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > My wife sews (a lot!) and every now and then one of the cats will try to > > eat some thread. One day we heard one of them making strange noises at > > the litterbox. It turns out the cat had eaten a long thread, and it was > > making its way out. We had to pull it out (slowly, to avoid internal > > injuries to the cat and external injuries to us). There was at least a > > foot of thread in there. Eric- Been there, done that, with christmas ribbons... -dq

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > The manual of the motherboard for the first PC I built had a > statement to the > following effect on the second page: > "This manual has been carefully for errors to make sure correct." It is also vaguely amusing when the author of some software documents in English (which I'm usually very thankful for, since it's my first language), but normally speaks another language. (German and French, (other Latin languages too) are exceptionally prone to this) For instance, I had an old 3d modeler for the POV raytracer whose documentation contained the following (more or less): "PV3D now is a freeware." There are also these from a (very good) Atari Lynx development page: "Thanks to a simple error Atari made. As you (maybe) know, all the Atari-carts have an encrypyed header and a check-sum over the complete rom-image. This checksum is so da?? good that changing a single-bit,the INSERT GAME message causes." (Care to guess the native language? :) >From the same page: "But 65C02-code is compact and even with C are good program possible." I've even in English noticed, that German-speakers tend to their verbs on the end of sentences put. :) (No offense, of course, I don't speak three words of German, myself...) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Chris Kennedy wrote: > were to do that or not have a machine at all. The big problem > is doing useful things in the absence of a memory mapping and > protection unit of some sort (the Nova grew one early on, but > I'm too ignorant of the PDP-8 family to know if such an option ever > existed). On an 8/e, I believe that'd be the Memory Extension and Timeshare Control board. Among other things it drives the three high-order address bits to go beyond 4KW of core, but if memory serves this is more of a bank-switching scheme than anything else. But hey, it works! :-) PDP8s are Good Food(tm). -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > If it topped out at 7 MBps, it was probably because the bus handshake was > clocked with a CPU clock, in order to ensure the CPU would "see" the > transitions. I am reminded of my favorite piece of broken english, found in a Taiwanese PeeCee motherboard manual many years ago: "If use 387 coprocessor, the clocked by CPU clock." No, I made no typos there. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > I am reminded of my favorite piece of broken english, found in a > Taiwanese PeeCee motherboard manual many years ago: > "If use 387 coprocessor, the clocked by CPU clock." > No, I made no typos there. :-) I haven't had so much (documented) cheap imported hardware, but my favorite is from a sound board: "We make 100% sure that this is caused by a M/B bios bug. Please to update the bios of the mainboard with the M/B manufacturer." I was also amused once to see somebody who didn't speak English very well (nor, it appears, know what SCSI stands for) mark some SCSI controllers with a sign that said "SCASI." Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Google and Usenet Archives from 15-May-1981

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello. I take five minutes to review one thing that maybe somebody could clear me: I've checked the Usenet Oldnews Archive in http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News.Archive/ and I saw the time limit that appears in Google (15-May-1981) is applicable there too. But I'm lightly surprised because some Newsgroups like FA.arpa-bboard has MORE threads than the finally displayed in a search. By example, this Usenet Group has 333 Threads but it only show 297 in a search. Can be possible that could exists even more news before 1981-May-15 archived in Google but not available by the moment ? Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Cats around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] ! ....... ! ! My parents still have one cat that will eat/chew ribbon.... we have to ! be careful at Christmas. A cat of long ago would eat thread (for ! sewing). My mother pulled about a yard out of him one ! day...... he was ! eating it right off the spool and swallowing it!! Sounds familiar. We can't leave Christmas presents around with bows on them. Isabelle will rip them all off to play with them, and chew them to nothingness... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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What's with this Lisa?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> >I always wondered why the 2 existed in the first place, > since without a hard > >drive and only .5mb of memory it was useless for anything other than > >MacWorks. > > Once you take a look at your's, since you said it started > life as a '2' and you upgraded it to a 2/5, would you mind sending > me the model/serial/date numbers off of it? No problem - I'll check it tonight and mail you on-list since it might be of interest to others...... cheers -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > I had a cat lick pictures once. They'll eat/chew on the darndest things > > if you let them. I think it is the taste..... something about the > > chemicals must be salty tasting or something. It's not like cats are > > chewy like dogs or rodents. > > Did anyone beside me read this wrong and laugh hysterically? Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? -dq

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VAX 8650 want a good home ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I know where there are probably several VAX 8600s and 8650s and a good deal more stuff. My plan is to organize a treck that runs from south-central US through mid-west to NY. So, if you live along the way and dream of some big iron, here is your chance. The thing would not be for the taking, but presumably $200-$400 (just a bit above scrap value) would be it. regards, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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What's with this Lisa?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> >I'm going to have to check mine now, since it was originally > a stock Lisa 2 > >before I upgraded it to a 2/5 - it definitely has the drive > access light > >window, so maybe they were going to add in a LED on the floppy drive? > > The drive access light window is well above the floppy > though, more inline with where the Widget drive is normally mounted. > It would appear that they already had the 2/10 in the works when the > 2 and 2/5 were released, using them as just a modified stopgap > machine. I always wondered why the 2 existed in the first place, since without a hard drive and only .5mb of memory it was useless for anything other than MacWorks. -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Prints for an 11/70

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > Are you wanting this to go in big, hex-width cards like old UNIBUS cards, > > or will you be defining a new form factor, connector (compact UNIBUS?), > > backplane, and card mounting system for your new UNIBUS (UNewBUS?)? > > Old style. Cool. Cards that you can actually FIT SOME COMPONENTS ON. What a concept. That's the only thing I don't like about sbus. You can fill up an sbus card with three good-sized chips. Ridiculous. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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USENET from 1981 to present on google

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The earliest post of mine in there is from late 1994. To be fair, I wasn't > around much earlier than that, but there are still gaps even after the > Renaming. *REplies* to my first posts are there, but not the posts themselves... -dq

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tektronix phaser

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 12, Dan Wright wrote: > > I agree...it's a great print process. I think it has much nicer looking > > output then color laser, personally...more photo-like with the glossiness and > > all :) > > It's targeted at an entirely different market than color lasers, so > that's not really a valid comparison. But yes, the Phaser III output > is *really* impressive. And if you get hungry, it's the only printer on the market with edible inks... Plus, if you run out, all you have to do is run down to WallyWorld and get a box of Crayolas... Just kidding of course; we dumped a Phaser 550 that was a toner-based laserprinter this year in favor of two Phase 850s, which use the wax-based inks. The prints do not fair well, however, in *any* form of currently produced page protectors. Even those ones they came out with for toner-prints don't work, the wax just melts onto the plastic. Perhaps glassine envelopes? -dq

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