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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 13:58, Ian Koller wrote: > > > Dick, > > I don't use a spell checker, because, quite frankly, > it is an extremely rare event that I misspell a word. > > Now, which word is it that I misspelled that makes you > say this? definately -> definitely > > > His "style" was definately different than the "norm" for -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 11:12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Yup! Here's another one ... a blank message with an attachment. > > Of course I won't open it ... Somewhere on your system will be a file called mime.types or some equivalent. That's what your mail program uses to determine what type the attachment is. You need to update it. If you're lucky, you also have a mailcap file somewhere that tells your mailer how to handle it -- telling it to treat it as plain text (or better still, the way it handles multipart/alternative will possibly work) is both safe and useful (in that you'll be able to read it). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Thanks for the advice. Found the battery, or rather what's left of it. Whatever it is that leaks or gasses out of Lithium batteries has eaten into most of the steelwork. I will have to replace the floppy drive and clean up metalwork. :-( Chris Leyson

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OT: Not P.C. hack-ob

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Dan Schwartz [mailto:Expresso@snip.net] ! ! ! Of all sites to get hacked, The National Cathedral. Click on: ! <http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/> ! and check out the mouse-over effect for the "Discover" link :-) ! ! Who knows how much longer it'll stay up?! I know, it's not nice, but it is still kinda funny... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Man alive, I just can't resist

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> > > > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com > > > This is becoming a pretty silly thread because there can be > > > understanding > > > without proper grammer ; if we are being technical here. > > Every computer I ever met would gag on the above statement ;>) > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > Yes, starting with the spelling errors. I think a perl interpreter may actually execute it ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?)

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

--probably off topic... I am not sure of the age of the board but Adaptec seems to think it's not supportable any more... :^( Anybody have DOS ASPI drivers for the ADAPTEC AHA-1542CF?? Tis an ISA scsi card with floppy attach and I have it in a 486 machine ---------------------------------- The machine seems to be a 486dx in a "lunchbox" style case with color lcd. looks like a normal motherboard is inside.. goes by the name of PCIII, with no other markings as to MFG. Any one know anything about this?

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RFD: SPAM

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Y'all, I've had this email account for a while, and never been particularly reticent about using or giving out the address. I've seen an unbelievable increase in incoming spam since I joined this list. Yes, I'm familiar with procmail filtering, and am about to start that, but I'm curious as to why this list in particular attracts so much garbage. I've seen a couple of other references to this, so I don't think I'm out on a limb here. What's going on, and is there a reasonable deterrent? Doc

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 11:45, Richard Erlacher wrote: > If the period took up as much space as another character, that would be > true, but with mail readers that perform kerning as though they were trying > to prepare text for publication, the period gets short-schrift, so to speak, > and often is nearly invisible. The practice of inserting two spaces was > inherited from the requirement for it in the printing/publishing industry. Actually, it has long been normal to use the same space between sentences as between words in printing. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 10:39, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Besides the 1000 x 1024 method, the moniker "1.44Mb" has an additional > marketing advantage - it's a simple multiple of 720K (which is really > a 1Mb raw floppy, formatted to 737,280 bytes under DOS, or 1024 x 720). > It's easier to conceptualize that a "1.44Mb" floppy holds twice as much > as a "720K" floppy. If you called it a "1.47Mb" floppy, I think there > would be even more confused newbies than there are now. My nitpick is that it's "MB" (megabytes) not "Mb" (megabits). And *of course* it's 1.40625MB, or 1.4MB for short :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 12:49, David Woyciesjes wrote: > ! From: Richard Erlacher > ! > ! It's never safe to open an attachment to an otherwise undefined email. > ! > ! I'd suspect only two or three on this list will be foolish > ! enough to open > ! this one. > ! > ! Dick > > Huh? What attachment? I think Dick is referring to the fact that Dan's posts appear on many systems as an empty message with a single attachment of raw data. It's actually typed "multipart/signed", and it ought to appear as a text attachment (or a text main part) with an attached signature block, but on software that doesn't intrinsically understand multipart/signed (like mine, and apparently Dick's), it doesn't. Probably something to do with the fact that "multipart/signed" is not one of the original MIME types. Maybe Dan could turn off the PGP signature for the list? I thought we'd agreed that multipart posts were inappropriate, or was that just "multipart/alternative"? However, since it's correctly typed it would seem fairly safe to open -- especially for those of us using a Unix machine to read mail :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Compenents Source?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Something like these? http://www.smokeyamps.com/popups/smokeypop.htm They sell for about $25. 1/4" headphone in/out plugs, and they last quite a while on a 9-volt. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Borg [mailto:kentborg@borg.org] > In olden days I would go to Radio Shack, but that doesn't work > anymore, so I though I would ask here. > Anyone know where I could find a small, cheap, low power, amplified, > battery powered speaker? Back when I would have bought a "telephone > amplifier", but in 2002 I can't immedaitely find such a thing.

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VAX 6400 booting saga: how to transfer binaries to VMS with kermit?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I'm ripping my hair out over VMS (as usual). I have a little magic file that I need to transfer from PC to VAX. And kermit on both ends. I thought I knew how to use kermit, but no matter what I do, the file will never work as an executable on the VAX. It always complains about a corrupt descriptor block and it comes up too long. The file is exactly 2048 bytes long and when I send it it comes up as 5/6 blocks with DIR/SIZE=ALL. That is one block too many, isn't it? The funny thing is, when I do a round trip with kermit PC -put-> VAX -get-> PC, I get two identical files on the PC. But when I do VAX -get-> PC -put-> VAX of a working .EXE file on the VAX, I end up with a broken copy (same error.) So, what can I do? I have SET FILE TYPE BINARY on both sides. I'm so sorry for bothering you with my VMS ignorance, I greatly appreciate your patience and help. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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PDP-11 memory question

by tom＠sba.miami.edu

I have a PDP 11/23 (M8186 CPU with floating point and MMU options) in a 4 slot BA11-MA box that at some point in its life was an 11/03. It had an M8044-DF 32k memory module, which I'm trying to replace with a 128k M8059-KJ. The system works fine with the 32k module, but won't do anything with the 128k module. I'm not familiar with PDP-11's, but it seems like my backplane is only 18-bit, while the new memory module is 22-bit. I've also read that the M8186 board is only 22-bit compatible after revision C. I can't find any mark on the board showing what revision it is. Is there another way to tell? Also, is possible to modify the 18-bit bus and make it 22-bit, or maybe by swapping out the backplane? I also noticed that on some used PDP-11 web sites that the BA11-M sells for much more than the BA11-S, which I thought had 5 more slots. Is there some reason for this? Thanks, Tom

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Chomko [mailto:vze2wsvr@verizon.net] > > It's especially egregious, because even IBM, who use > 1024000 for Megabyte > > for disks, uses 1048576 for memory. Thus, an IBM megabyte > of disk storage > > will not hold the content of an IBM megabyte of memory! > Seems like you have lots of energy on this Fred. 1000 1K > blocks. Is that a > reason > to fly off the handle? Well, you're right that he's probably a little too sensitive on this, but it is a stupid way to count a megabyte -- not even self-consistent. :) Personally I prefer the 1024*1024 method. It makes the most sense to me. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Ultirix for Vaxstation 4000/90?

by wlewis＠mailbag.com

I'm probably going to pickup one of these in the near future, and while I run VMS on my 4000/VLC, I would like to to run a *nix on on this one. Since NetBSD and company don't have a working X server, that limits things a bit. Anyone have a copy they'd be willing to sell? Thanks, William

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I can't wait to get up to the in-laws vacation house in central VT to do some riding!!! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net] ! Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:36 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color ! Printer find ! ! ! Well where I'm living now is prime snowmobile territory. ! They're as obligatory ! as pick-up trucks and more common than motorcycles. When I ! grew up out ! here in the 40's the multi-passenger ones were called ! "Bombadeers" from ! the name of the company who made them, Bombardier, and who later ! introduced "Ski-Doos" the motorcycle of snowmobiles. I was ! surprised to find ! when I returned that locals still call the larger models Bombadeers. ! ! Lawrence ! ! > Whoa, can't let that one by: we know what a snowmobile is ! up here (c'mon, ! > fellow Canucks, back me up on this one!); mind you, if you ! asked ME what ! > a snowmobile is, I would indeed look at ya kind of funny ! (oops, funnily, for the ! > language police), since apparently YOU don't know what it ! is or you wouldn't be ! > asking... ! > ! > But a snow sled??? Who calls it that? Sounds like the ! SkiDoo trailer. ! > ! > Anyway, one of us invented the thing, so we can call it ! what we like! ! > ! > So there! ! > ! > :) ! > ! > -----------------Original Message------------------ ! > From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> ! > ! > [snippage] ! > ! > [more snippage (pronounced snippahdge up here, not snippedge :)] ! > ! > And as it's winter, and we *finally* have snow here, talk ! to some Western ! > Ontario Canadians and ask them what a "snowmobile" or "snow ! sled" is - ! > they'll most likely look at you funny, at least for a few ! seconds until it sinks ! > in. They go "skidooing" in the wintertime. ! > ! > ! ! ! ! Reply to: ! lgwalker(a)mts.net !

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More worthless crap posted not worth reading...RE: Language a nd English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > Well, if you use the "modern" definition of poetry, sure > they are. ;) > > ... and given the "modern" definition of art, the people who paint > > lines down the middle of the street are "artists." According to the > > "modern" definition of music, one can talk over top of some [snip] > It's a good thing this metaphor does not extend to "Modern > Programmers". > We'd all be out of work. Ahh -- but it does. Have you seen the latest stock of MS "certified" monkeys? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

The guys on the Linux Kernel Mailing List are going wacko over this. Apparently somebody wanted to change all of the definitions of MB and GB, etc, etc, to use powers of ten, rather than the traditional binary notations. That really set off a firestorm of discussions.... - Matt At 03:49 PM 1/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >...... >! They should coin a new term for a fake Megabyte (i.e. >! something other than 1024 ^ 2). Call it a "Maybebyte". >! >! That wasn't funny. >! >! Sellam Ismail > >I thought it was. Or am I that weird? > > >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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FreeVMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > > > If it doesn't have wheels, it isn't really a computer. > Actually if i wanted to get a new tower case, i COULD get a tower case > with casters already attached for about $300 new.... but i > like to save > money for other things.......... I would add that a real computer must have a console monitor in firmware, and have the option of attaching an independent single device (as in a serial terminal) to use for a console. KVM switches don't count, of course ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I don't know what they're teaching kids these days, but in the time period >for which this list is relevant, mechanics did/do indeed refer to any >adjustable wrench of that particular design as a "Crescent Wrench". They >do NOT use the term "Crescent Wrench" to refer to any other style of >adjustable wrench, and would consider THAT misuse as comparable to >referring to a box-end wrench as a "socket". At least around here, they are teaching that it is an Adjustable Wrench, and specifically teaching that it is NOT a Crescent wrench. I also am personally unaware of ANYONE that professionally works with tools like these (and that means, NOT a person that repairs computers for a living and happens to have one for the rare occasions it is needed, but rather people that are in construction, or automotive repair, or similar), and calls it a Crescent wrench. At least as far as everyone I know, and what I learned in school (theater set construction, and the fire academy, and what I have found from friends that went to VoTech schools), the only people that call it a Crescent wrench are snickered at behind their backs because they are a "layman". That doesn't mean I think it is wrong to call it a crescent wrech (I still do sometimes as that was what I originally knew it as), they just specifically teach here NOT to call it that. But that is just around here, and like all language terms, change dramatically with region (go to a restaurant around here and order "pop" and you will get a funny look... do it in the midwest, and they will know exactly what you want). Also, flip open any tool catalog you want, you won't see a generic adjustable wrench listed as a Crescent Wrench. Flip open a electronics parts catalog, and you *might* see the push on, D shapey, "Centronics" connector (regardless of number of pins), listed as a "Centronics". Mind you, that does NOT make it correct, just that at least you can find it listed that way. Of course, with all this, I am NOT saying that the connectors should be called Centronics. I personally don't care what they are called. Centronics, Blue Ribbon, or Susan... as long as I know what the person is talking about, then the term did its job, it conveyed meaning... and isn't that really the point to language in the first place? >Calling the connector in question an "Amphenol connector" (regardless of >who made that particular one) would, indeed be like using the >common term "Crescent Wrench" when referring to an "adjustable >wrench" (rather a vague, ambiguous name for it!) But the term arguers will complain about calling it an Amphenol just as much I am sure. >But calling it a "Centronics connector", particularly when dealing with >sizes other than 36, would be like calling the same wrench a "Ford >wrench". Agreed, but it still happens (albeit, wrongly) >In the original post that was objected to, the writer referred to >"Centronics Ports". THAT was wrong. If he were to have said "ports with >50 pin centronics connectors", then it would be a trivial misuse, and >everyone would know what he meant (although some would DOUBT whether what >he was seeing was correct -"are you sure they're 50s?"). BUT, a >"Centronics PORT" means a parallel printer port as its primary and only >meaning, and the ports in question were obviously not that. Again, agreed. >One of the old classics of email "humor" mentions in passing a "Craftsman >10mm crescent wrench". Calling a wrench made by Craftsman a "Crescent" is >what you are talking about. Since the dimensions of such wrenches were >the LENGTH of the wrench, and Crescent didn't at that time label any of >theirs in metric units, the "10mm" is just weird. LOL >In my garage, we had a box with a 150mm Crescent WANNABE, "rubber nails" >(steel nails for nailing rubber weatherstripping), spotted paint (sold in >a spray can by GM for repairing trunks), etc. for hazing the new parts >runners. And the all time favorite, ask for the 8/16th socket. I think maybe I am the only one that saw the inherent humor and irony in arguing about calling things by their correct name, and not their common name, and using a Crescent wrench as an example of how TO call items by their correct name. <sigh> humor is wasted... -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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NCD 88k Boot monitor

by darek-ss＠wp.pl

Hi, I've got recently 2 old, but very good NCD Xstations 88k & 88kP6 based on Motorola 88100 processor. They are looking great, much better than what they are selling now :-) But unfortunately they are without Boot Manager EPROMS ... Does anyone could help me and tell where I can find such EPROM or just the image file which I can use to program one ? As far as I know BM from HMX & HMXPro doesn't work because it is made for R4xxx processor. Darek ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Zapro? znajomych na czata! Wy?lij SMSa z nowego czata WP! Czat.wp.pl - Jedyny czat z ludzk? twarz? < http://czat.wp.pl >

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Free to good home - 2 obscure computers

by pcw＠mesanet.com

These are the Viking AVAB (Swedish) computers I asked about before Obscure enough that no one seems to know anything about them... has the following cards: Western Digital MCP-1600 based CPU (maybe Pascal pcode machine) Western Digital FDC Western Digital 4Serial + Parallel I/O card 2X AVAB 32K battery backed SRAM cards Couple of odd AVAB I/O cards Proprietary bus, ~8"x10" cards -- Rack mount enclosure Were used for theater lighting system 1 system has 2x3.5" (720k ?) floppy drives a 1 8" drive (narrow Tandon) other system has 2x3.5" (720k?) drives Free for pickup in SF bay area (otherwise out they go) Peter Wallace

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Language and English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: r. 'bear' stricklin [mailto:red@bears.org] > At the SCM prompt, type, "SHOW BOOT." > > At the SCM prompt, type, "SHOW BOOT". > > Which one is correct? Personally, I always try to move punctuation away from quoted commands, and the like. Otherwise I use the normal convention of leaving it inside the quotes. So both are "correct," but the second is what I would do to prevent confusion in this case. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Let's be accurate here. cummings was a poet. The people > posting without > proper grammar and punctuation are not. Well, if you use the "modern" definition of poetry, sure they are. ;) ... and given the "modern" definition of art, the people who paint lines down the middle of the street are "artists." According to the "modern" definition of music, one can talk over top of some drum lines from Judas Priest's first album and be a wonderful "musician." Things are so much simpler now. Etc, etc. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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RFD: SPAM

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/4/02 12:10:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > I've said this repeatedly. I use this account EXCLUSIVELY for receiving > list traffic and it has NEVER received any spam outside of the occasional > bullcrap that gets posted to the list directly. > > And no, I don't have any filtering turned on. > I have to agree. I also use this email address for the CCMP list only. I get no spam on it except the very occasional one that is posted to the list directly. This list does not lead to increased spam. It is very well maintained. Paxton Astoria, OR

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Actually you would have to add 900 lbs. of lead, and include a 1000 watt space heater..... - Matt >I guess then, if i went to the store and mounted casters on my Sun >SparcStation 1, it'd be a 'real computer'. Of course if nothing else, >it'd be a 'really slow computer' that rolls faster than the framebuffer >can scroll text. (hehe) > > > Regards, > > > > Chris > > > > > > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer > > Amdocs - Champaign, IL > > > > /usr/bin/perl -e ' > > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); > > ' > > > > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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Language and English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Koller [mailto:vze2mnvr@verizon.net] > > English is a Germanic language, > That was my mistake. I have now learned something new, or > a misconception of mine has now been corrected. I thank you, > it will not be forgotten. Actually, to step in here, I'm certain that it depends on which "English" you're talking about. Of course old English and the original Anglo (Anglish?) languages that may have preceded it were Germanic. Modern English has been influenced as much by Latin as by the original English, IMO. > Now I will have to ponder why there are so many similarities > between French and Italian words and their English counterparts, > while to me the German language seems so much different. ... and there's your answer. Compare German to old English and you'd be surprised -- at least as surprised as you'd be to compare English to Spanish today. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> but I did learn that >a period at the end of a sentence is followed by two spaces, for example. This is actually a now outdated custom. I think it was originally there as old type presses has a small space character, so two were needed to make decent enough room to tell a sentence ended. I think it carried over to original typwriters, and then into early word processing... but now, it is outdated, and no longer taught (at least not by newer typing teachers... I bet the nuns at my wife's old highschool still teach two spaces). Of course, it could also have been dropped out of laziness, and just changed out of force from the new generation just not bothering with a 2nd space. (I think that is why standard office attire has relaxed so much too... new generation of bosses that don't take as much pride in their work appearance... not that I am one to talk, since I always wear jeans and a shirt to work except for days I have to meet with clients) >If you insist on writing in a style reminiscent of E. E. Cummings poetry Ugh.. try reading William Faulkner (I am pretty sure that is who it was)... he has 3 page run on sentences... worst reading my poor dyslexic brain ever had to deal with. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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chris smith

by Golemancd＠aol.com

chris writing an idea about a hobby is not an art form. that is my point. you only need precision when you need it. like standing in a karate stance when there is no one to fight. you get in the stance when needed. same with precision. pick your spots. has no one ever heard of that. pick the battles you fight. you dont have to fight all of them; just the ones that matter. same with percision. if someone says good morning and you dont understand them. you may inquired as to what they said. but after that one inquiry if it is not clear what they said , it really doesnt matter because what they may have been saying wasnt important enough to grill them for an hour. some one said the post didnt warrant a response. he was correct. i was just talking about an idea. thats it. it was not important. joee

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OS/2 1.3 EE

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Does anybody have a copy of this? I have MS OS/2 1.3, and I have TCP/IP for OS/2 1.3 EE, but they don't work together. I'd love to have EE so I can put TCP/IP on it and install the lot on a 286. Maybe I can dig up a web server for it. :) Thanks! --James B.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... > > Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed > wrench ;>) I like that even better! But down yonder, they have to be carefull with them, after all, they *really* hurt when they're dropped on bare feet... ;) -dq

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] ! ...... ! ! Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express have a setting which ! will limit the ! width of lines that it transmits and receives. While it lets ! you type to ! the width of your display, it wraps lines by inserting "> " ! or whatever else ! you choose, at the left margin of quoted received text, and ! <crlf> at the ! limits you set. After a few iterations, quoted text becomes ! quite difficult ! to read, and more so if it's formatted both manually and ! automatically. Yep, I have to manually tweak messages as I reply to them (see below)... I must be doing okay, though. No one has yelled at me yet... ! > ! > I am aware, and I do try to avoid it. As I've said in a ! private mail to ! someone, ! > my company believes that everyone should use microshaft outhouse for ! email. I'm ! > really lucky to have gotten it to send messages in ASCII :/ ! Never mind ! wrapping ! > the lines. So I do it by hand, when I remember and when ! I'm not rushed. ! > ! > Regards, ! > ! > Chris --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express have a setting which > will limit the > width of lines that it transmits and receives. While it lets News to me. I'll see if I can find it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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DEC bus driver/receiver chips (really VT78 docs)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 1:07, Carlini, Antonio wrote: > Actually I only know of one other in the UK, > but I expect there are a few more lurking in > dark corners. I have a VT78. Is that the one you're thinking of? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Hmmm.. okay. Well, my Outlook2001 (sorry, no choice at work) must've read it correctly, and not as an attachment... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhblakeman@kih.net] ! Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:03 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: RE: Language and English ! ! ! The one that he had attached to his messages, ATTxxxx.DAT - it's a PGP ! signature from his last email. ! ! -----Original Message----- ! From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of David Woyciesjes ! Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:50 AM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'; 'Richard Erlacher' ! Subject: RE: Language and English ! ! ! ! From: Richard Erlacher ! ! ! ! It's never safe to open an attachment to an otherwise ! undefined email. ! ! ! ! I'd suspect only two or three on this list will be foolish ! ! enough to open ! ! this one. ! ! ! ! Dick ! ! Huh? What attachment? ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! --- C & IS Support Specialist ! --- Yale University Press ! --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! --- (203) 432-0953 ! --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Koller [mailto:vze2mnvr@verizon.net] > Are you aware that your messages seem to have no > carriage returns and don't wrap in some message > viewers? Please don't take this as a complaint, > but this makes it more difficult to read, as I > have to scroll horizontally outside the normal > message viewing area. And it seems your messages > are worth reading as they contain some thoughtful > comment. I am aware, and I do try to avoid it. As I've said in a private mail to someone, my company believes that everyone should use microshaft outhouse for email. I'm really lucky to have gotten it to send messages in ASCII :/ Never mind wrapping the lines. So I do it by hand, when I remember and when I'm not rushed. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] ! ! ! On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Chris wrote: ! > I know the facts, and I know exactly why it carries that ! > name (much like ! ! It's a nice analogy, but only partially relevant for this particular ! issue. ! I don't know what they're teaching kids these days, but in ! the time period ! for which this list is relevant, mechanics did/do indeed refer to any ! adjustable wrench of that particular design as a "Crescent ! Wrench". They ! do NOT use the term "Crescent Wrench" to refer to any other style of ! adjustable wrench, and would consider THAT misuse as comparable to ! referring to a box-end wrench as a "socket". Maybe I'm dating myself, or just sounding stupid, but with my basic hands-on mechanic experience, I always called them 'adjustable' wrenches, because that's what they did. They adjusted to the size you nedd. Never quite realized what exactly a Cresent wrench was... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, a quick explanation of a frost heave... (from CT :-) Water seeps through a crack in the road, and gets trapped underneath. The water then freezes, and expands, which "heaves" the asphalt above it up into a bump. Whats worse is when the ice underneath melts, but the asphalt doesn't come back into shape quick enough. A vehicle hits the bump, and busts the bubble that's left. Now you have a pot-hole... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Ian Koller ! ! I'm here in snowed out South Eastern US and I know ! about "black ice" and "Bridge Freezes Before Roadway" ! but what are "Frost Heaves"? ! ! I could have done without this snow. I needed to make ! a trip down to GA and possibly FLA that has to be delayed. ! ! ! ! ! Michael Nadeau wrote: ! > ! > Wait til they find out about frost heaves. ! > ! > > > ! > > > Odd that you should mention this ... ! > > > ! > > > As they've reccently had snow in the southern U.S, ! where that's a ! > noteable ! > > > and rare event, youngsters interviewed DO refer to the ! thing as a "snow" ! > > > sled, apparently because snow is such a rarity. ! > > ! > > HA... And they are *just* learning about the phenomenon ! known as "black ! > ice". ! > > :-D ! > > ! > > Bryan ! > > ! > > ! > > > ! > > > Dick ! > > > ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- ! > > > From: "Matt London" <classiccmp(a)knm.yi.org> ! > > > To: "'ClassicComputers'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! > > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:10 AM ! > > > Subject: Re: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: ! NEXT Color ! > Printer ! > > > find ! > > > ! > > > ! > > > > Hi, ! > > > > ! > > > > > Whoa, can't let that one by: we know what a ! snowmobile is up here ! > > > (c'mon, ! > > > > > fellow Canucks, back me up on this one!); mind you, ! if you asked ME ! > what ! > > ! > > Yes, as a fellow Canuck, I know what a snowmobile is... ! In the town of ! > 9,500 ! > > where I grew up, as soon as there was 3 to 6 cm of snow, ! everyone would be ! > > on their skidoo's. ! > > ! > > ! > > > > > a snowmobile is, I would indeed look at ya kind of ! funny (oops, ! > funnily, ! > > > for ! > > > > > the language police), since apparently YOU don't ! know what it is or ! > you ! > > > > > wouldn't be asking... ! > > > > > ! > > > > > But a snow sled??? Who calls it that? Sounds like the SkiDoo ! > trailer. ! > > > > > ! > > > > > Anyway, one of us invented the thing, so we can ! call it what we ! > like! ! > > > > ! > > > > Just a second! What's this I see... ! > > > > From: M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> ! > > > > A Canuck wuth a usa.net email address? Something ! screwy there if you ! > ask ! > > > > me, but then again I'm one of those dodgy brits :&) ! > > > > ! > > > > -- Matt ! > > !

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FreeVMS

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Matthew Sell [mailto:msell@ontimesupport.com] ! ! David, ! ! ! Yeah - messed up again. I really meant to say "NetBSD", and ! not "FreeBSD" all the while. ! ! Maybe FreeBSD would be good for my "Unibus VAX 4000" ? ! ! : ) ! ! ! - Matt Yeah, it should be about the right speed.... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > has no one ever heard of that. > pick the battles you fight. Of course. Is it not from Sun Tsu's "The Art of War?" ... but I'd hardly call typing a war. :) If it is, then it's likely that you'll want to "win" it if you plan to work with computers. > some one said the post didnt warrant a response. > he was correct. i was just talking about an idea. > thats it. it was not important. You must believe what you say is of some import, otherwise, why bother to post anything? People are just complaining that while you seem to care enough about what you're saying to post it, you don't seem to care enough to allow them to understand it. The only word of caution I would give is that this is a very "hands-on" (technical, if you prefer the term) list. If you speak about things without being detailed enough for everyone to comprehend, it may annoy several people. (Myself included, honestly. :) Let me give the example of your post, which said, essentially: "Why do you need a bigger network?" You might have explained why you thought that the subjects current network was big enough, or you might have asked specific questions in order to get a good idea of its size. The question -- especially being the entire content of the post -- is pretty vague. :) On top of that it was abbreviated. ;) How are we ever supposed to hold a conversation with you that way? I'll also say that I might expect a one-sentence post if it were, for instance, a very direct answer to a technical question. On the other hand, a one-sentence post which asks such a broad question about a broad topic is almost definitely not giving complete expression to the question. (Or it's philosophical, and not expecting an answer -- in which case, why post?) We can't see you, and we don't know you yet, so we have no idea whether (or how) we can draw any inferences from the question. In other words, it's not a matter of being textbook correct, but making yourself understood. (Wow, am I that long-winded?) Regards, Chris, who isn't even awake yet -- watch out after lunch Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by meltlet＠fastmail.fm

> a period at the end of a sentence is followed by two spaces, for example. Ok, if we're going to be anal here, and criticise "English" then in English it's not a period, it's a full stop. *ducks to avoid flames ;D* Alex -- melt meltlet(a)fastmail.fm

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Richard Erlacher ! ! It's never safe to open an attachment to an otherwise undefined email. ! ! I'd suspect only two or three on this list will be foolish ! enough to open ! this one. ! ! Dick Huh? What attachment? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Way OT: Frost Heaves (was RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomencl atur e (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Aww geez, stretching things a bit here, aren't you? ;-) TGIF.... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Feldman, Robert [mailto:Robert_Feldman@jdedwards.com] ! ! Since ee cummings had been disparaged here, one could ! interpret the term as ! critical of a certain New England poet ;) ! ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] ! ! ! Well, a quick explanation of a frost heave... (from CT :-) ! ! Water seeps through a crack in the road, and gets trapped ! underneath. The water then freezes, and expands, which ! "heaves" the asphalt ! above it up into a bump. ! Whats worse is when the ice underneath melts, but the asphalt ! doesn't come back into shape quick enough. A vehicle hits the ! bump, and ! busts the bubble that's left. Now you have a pot-hole... ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! ! ! -----Original Message----- ! ! From: Ian Koller ! ! ! ! I'm here in snowed out South Eastern US and I know ! ! about "black ice" and "Bridge Freezes Before Roadway" ! ! but what are "Frost Heaves"? ! <snip> !

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

David, Yeah - messed up again. I really meant to say "NetBSD", and not "FreeBSD" all the while. Maybe FreeBSD would be good for my "Unibus VAX 4000" ? : ) - Matt At 12:43 PM 1/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >! -----Original Message----- >! From: Matthew Sell >! >! From what I understand of the Linux kernel, it uses two, and >! the i386 has >! three modes of operation. >! >! Don't forget that FreeBSD already runs on the VAX, and FreeVMS (in my >! project concept) would be an extension and implementation of >! the existing >! FreeBSD kernel so that it "looks and feels" like VMS. >! >! I also wanted this implementation of FreeBSD to use native >! DEC filesystems >! and operate classic DEC hardware. > > Poking around through NetBSD also would probably be helpful. That >runs on 30+ architectures, and FreeBSD & NetBSD often use the same source >code for drivers too... > >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Matthew Sell ! ! From what I understand of the Linux kernel, it uses two, and ! the i386 has ! three modes of operation. ! ! Don't forget that FreeBSD already runs on the VAX, and FreeVMS (in my ! project concept) would be an extension and implementation of ! the existing ! FreeBSD kernel so that it "looks and feels" like VMS. ! ! I also wanted this implementation of FreeBSD to use native ! DEC filesystems ! and operate classic DEC hardware. Poking around through NetBSD also would probably be helpful. That runs on 30+ architectures, and FreeBSD & NetBSD often use the same source code for drivers too... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Way OT: Frost Heaves (was RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclatur e (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Since ee cummings had been disparaged here, one could interpret the term as critical of a certain New England poet ;) -----Original Message----- From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:20 AM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'; Michael Nadeau; 'Ian Koller' Subject: RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find Well, a quick explanation of a frost heave... (from CT :-) Water seeps through a crack in the road, and gets trapped underneath. The water then freezes, and expands, which "heaves" the asphalt above it up into a bump. Whats worse is when the ice underneath melts, but the asphalt doesn't come back into shape quick enough. A vehicle hits the bump, and busts the bubble that's left. Now you have a pot-hole... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Ian Koller ! ! I'm here in snowed out South Eastern US and I know ! about "black ice" and "Bridge Freezes Before Roadway" ! but what are "Frost Heaves"? <snip>

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OT: A different view of a beloved hobby

by jarkko.teppo＠er-grp.com

>From the excellent news source known as The Reg : http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/23549.html -- jht

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Man alive, I just can't resist

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > i look at the mail and see an ad for something and i know > im not interested , so i dont worry about which store > is sending this junk to me. [trash can time] Actually, depending on the annoyance factor I do check the name of the store, and adjust my shopping preferences accordingly (favoring other stores, or if it's junk email, not dealing with the company at all). Usually, though, it just gets ignored, you're right. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Movie making and distributed robotics (Was: Language and English )

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > i collect any computer i can get my hands on. You must have lots of room. I'm getting to the point where I have to refuse to take peesees in some cases (err -- sometimes, regardless of the case. ;). > i am developing an operating system and a multimedia program > to create movies. Are we talking about video editing, rendering, animation, SuperDuperMegaMultiCompoundApp, or what? > i use a newer computer to produce records. > i am also working out, as i was talking about > in the original thread that got off track, a distributed > os to control robots and also a custom computer > to do the same. Now, I can't particularly think of a situation in robotics that would require a distributed O/S. Usually it's general-purpose embedded systems at a maximum. What are you up to here? Or is it just distributed for cool factor? (Nothing wrong with that...) This part is likely to even be on topic ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Wanted: Tiger Learning Computer

by vcf＠vintage.org

I'm wanting to buy a Tiger Learning Computer from anyone who may have one they don't want. This was the kid computer released during Christmas of 1996 but only sold in limited numbers in the JC Penney 1996 Christmas catalog. It was Apple ][ compatible--it basically had enhanced Apple //e ROMs and used Flash ROM cards as an emulated Disk ][ drive. It had Appleworks built-in. Very nifty. I'm also open to trades. Any got one? This is my biggest want currently. :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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