- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mhstein＠usa.net

As mentioned elsewhere, I'd recommend a cheap pair of computer speakers as well; trouble is, all the ones I've seen split the batteries between the two speakers, so it's tough to just use one. But if you're still looking & don't want to rebuild a portable radio (hard to find one with a speaker these days), I've got one or two of those RS powered speakers somewhere that you could have for next to nothing, depending on shipping cost. mike -----------------Original Message--------------- From: Kent Borg <kentborg(a)borg.org> Subject: Compenents Source? In olden days I would go to Radio Shack, but that doesn't work anymore, so I though I would ask here. Anyone know where I could find a small, cheap, low power, amplified, battery powered speaker? Back when I would have bought a "telephone amplifier", but in 2002 I can't immedaitely find such a thing. Thanks,

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The effects 1) Mat backgrounds 2) CG effects 3)anamatronic are so >good you can't see any flaws when they switch shots between formats. >In the version narrated by the special effects people you get all the >details. Cool... I will have to check it out. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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PS/2 Memory

by ajwotherspoon＠shaw.ca

Two sticks of memory pulled from a dead IBM PS2/57: One piece, with 9 chips per side, is from IBM and is labelled: UY IBM091 8M 70NS P P/N 71F7011 FRU 64F3606 Two of the chips are covered with paper labels; the other 16 chips are all marked (very faintly): IBM 0169216 53 70 Q 312145800 The other piece, with 12 chips per side, is marked: Front: PIICEON SR8192PS Back: GTS12 94V0 16 (8 on each side) of the chips are Micron Technology 4C4001JDJ-7. 8 (4 on each side) of the chips are Motorola MCM511000AJ70. Pictures of both pieces, front and back, are at http://members.shaw.ca/ajwotherspoon/ps2. Each of the two images is 0.5mb. Unable to test. Therefore AS IS. Yours for US$10 (or offer) for the pair plus the shipping cost (Canada Post or courier service) (and insurance if desired) from Victoria, BC, Canada. Alex

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printerfind

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... > > > > Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed > > wrench ;>) > > I like that even better! But down yonder, they have > to be carefull with them, after all, they *really* > hurt when they're dropped on bare feet... Same thing in KY ;>) Glen 0/0

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> > Watching Jurassic Park 3, A 10,000 HP 43 foot long robot dinosaur >> > does a lot of damage just by walking not to mention its bite. >> > Who needs weapons :) Movie studios don't generally make any "puppets" that are THAT big. If it is entirely anamatronic, then it is probably done on scale. Something of that size would be limited to basic movements, and probably not for a movie prop. They would just build dinosaur "parts" (sets and props are never made to more than what the camera sees anyway). >Watch the movie Jurassic park #3, the T-rex had his head chewed >off by the new 'king' of the dinosaurs. The special effects >people put in some REALLY big beasts. But by #3 were these still anamatronic, or entirely CG? (even #1 was a good chunk CG, but I haven't seen #2 or #3, so I can't give my opinions on the "look" of it). I would think by the 3rd, the only scenes that still had "real" dinosaurs would be close ups of the actors interacting directly with the beast. However, these kinds of things ARE built for outside of the movie industry. Ever been to Disney's Animal Kingdom? They have a "Dinosaur Adventure" ride (or some name to that effect). That has a few "full size" dinosaurs in it, and they do some basic movements. (Although, if you ever get to walk the track, I would think you will find they are not truly life size, but rather use forced perspective to make them look bigger than they really are). They are probably fairly fragile as far as the skin is concerned... but I wouldn't want to get caught up in their skeleton while it is operating... I'm sure it could take a limb off with ease. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

the idea is to have the robot take care of itself. just refer to the master os for references and instructions. master os will be used like a server. server of info, directions, traffic directions , scripts, etc. like a co-ordinator. to direct everything that is going on. for example like a forman on a building site. the forman gives everyone their job and they go to it. if there are any questions you refer back to him. or when you are finished your job, you refer to him and he gives you another one. and the forman monitors everything in progress. if he sees something that isnt going correctly, he may step in and give other instructions. joee

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 15:40, The Wanderer wrote: > > There are various things done by the power-up bootstrap diagnostic > True, I have re-read the M9312, and at address 777644 is the diagnostics > rom start > address. When I load this address and then set 012 in the switch reg, > for some > moments it is blinking leds, and then lets the pause light on. There is > no sensible > address/error code shown at the console which should indicate a diag > failure. Are you sure about that address? According to my M9312 manual (microfiche), the correct start address for 11/70 diagnostics (23-616F1 PROM) is 765744. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by mhstein＠usa.net

Well, I DO want to nitpick; never thought I'd come to Dick's defense, but nothing wrong with *E*.*E*. Cummings AFAIK: http://www.gvsu.edu/english/cummings/caps.htm Any statistics available on what percentage of text on this list actually concerns computers? Often amusing and occasionally interesting though; particularly ironic that almost all replies criticizing spelling, etc. also contained at least one typo or spelling/grammar error... (not to mention Doc's 'e.e' criticism) C'mon, guys (since the gals are obviously more mature), isn't this getting a little nasty for a friendly group like this? Free speech, diversity of opinions, yes, but do we need words like a**hole? mike (In .ca despite usa.net address :) -----------------Original Message--------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:05:43 -0600 (CST) From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Subject: Re: Language and English On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: <snip> > If you insist on writing in a style reminiscent of E. E. Cummings poetry, > you may find that your messages are read by readers of this forum with about > the same frequency as E.E. Cummings' work, which might be a shame, in case > you really do have something significant to contribute. or in case I'm the > only one who doesn't read much Cummings. Nah, I like ee cummings. And not to nitpick, but your rendering of his name is incorrect. <snip> I submit further that none of the mortals on the classiccmp list have evolved to that literary level. *** Umm... a somewhat sweeping generalization... mike *** <snip> Doc

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>If you have problems reading some things, try to keep that in mind when you >write. Others may have problems as well. Make it easy for them to see what >you mean in what you write by taking a little extra care. It's important. >Learn to do it well. I just think some people need to realize that sometimes, what you get is the best a person can do. I'm not defending a lack of use of punctuation or capitalization, or anything like that (re: the emails this thread is about... I agree they should have had better care taken when being written)... but with generally poor writing, particularly when you find the same person doing it over and over... you just have to accept that that MIGHT be the best they are capable of. And you might want to ease up a bit on them... since the bitching may very well be taken as a direct insult to their intelligence level... and is apt not to fix the problem, but rather cause a nasty conflict. I mean, how would some of you feel, if you asked about some unknown classic computer part, and were told "you must be some kind of dumb ass to not know what that is... anyone who has half a brain in their head would know this". But then, if your writing sucks because you are lazy... well, you should just be taken out and shot... or at least deserve to be insulted for it. Just my thoughts. And no, I myself have not been insulted by ANYTHING that has ever been said on this list, much less the recent discussions... including all the bashing I took over the crescent wrench incident... but then, I am think skinned (or was that think headed), and it takes far more than a bunch of emails to offend me (kick me in the nuts... I might be offended... call me a dumb ass... I am likely to agree with you) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 15:40, The Wanderer wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > > On Jan 2, 21:08, <quapla(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > I'm sure there must be people on the list who know more about 11/70s than I > > do, but since no-one else has replied yet... > > > Until know, you're the only one..... Oh dear, I've only seen one once. > > Is the memory powered up and connected? At the right address (you must > Yes, it is running, and all the leds are on, except one red led (battery > power > available?). > There is 128KW of memory (in 2 64Kw boards) > > > have some memory in the lowest 28KW to start up)? Is the cache working? > How do I know if the cache is working? Good question. I'm not sure, I think it's tested by the diagnostics on the bootstrap card. I think it's possible to disable it but I don't know how. It may be in one of the processor handbooks, which I can look up tomorrow. That's where I checked the value for the LSR and USR. > > There are various things done by the power-up bootstrap diagnostic > True, I have re-read the M9312, and at address 777644 is the diagnostics > rom start > address. When I load this address and then set 012 in the switch reg, > for some > moments it is blinking leds, and then lets the pause light on. There is > no sensible > address/error code shown at the console which should indicate a diag > failure. That sounds encouraging. At least it seems to be running the diagnostic code. I think, though, that the address it halts at is what tells you what (if anything) failed the test. If you can tell where it halted, it may be able to look that up. Do you have the manual for the M9312? There are several ROMs that might be on it, with different device bootstraps, and I think there are at least two diagnostics PROM options: one for 11/70 and one for other Unibus machines. I could be wrong about that, of course; I might be confusing it with the multiplicity of variants of the M9301. I just happen to have an M9301-YC >from an 11/70. > On the M8132 is a switchblock (1 of 3) which is - according to the doc- > the > lsw, I have set it to 1M, I suspect that should be set to the actual memory size. Anyone else know anything about 11/70's? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

an os to run the apps as fast as they can run. no far calls. maybe no swapping. a dual mode os where i can single task to squeeze as much performance out as i can and also switch to mutitasking when needed. i robotics os would be to run hundreds of robots. like a theme park run entirelly by bots where the robots repair the other bots. the system would do diagnostics on all the bot like a bios does on a pc to see if all the hardware is working. also the give vision to the bot. also many other functions. joee

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >> BTW, I worked with a guy who accidentally recharged an AA sized >> Lithium battery. It left shrapnel in the wall and he is still slighty >> deaf in one ear. >Do I dare ask *how* one accidentally recharges a lithium battery? By powering a battery powered PCB from a bench supply and forgetting to remove the battery jumper. Careless. Chris

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Lithium/Lithium-ion batteries

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In a message dated 05/01/02 bshannon(a)tiac.net (Bob Shannon) writes: >Lithium Ion (secondary) batteries are rechargable >Lithium (primary) batteries are not rechargable. >Recharging lithium ion batteries in laptops is a very complex operation, and >a somewhat dangerous one as well. A conventional 18650 Lilion battery cell >has a substancial explosive yield, if mistreated! Bob is quite right, the exploding battery referred to in an earlier post was a standard (primary) cell. Personally I tend to avoid Lithium batteries at all costs, firstly, for the reasons given above and secondly, they're probably the least environmentally friendly. I'm just glad that PC manufacturers use EERAM these days. BTW, the Toshiba laptop has been thoroughly cleaned and reassembled :-( Chris

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PDP-11 memory question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 13:35, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Tom Leffingwell <tom(a)sba.miami.edu> wrote: > > > > I have a PDP 11/23 (M8186 CPU with floating point and MMU options) > > in a 4 slot BA11-MA box that at some point in its life was an 11/03. It > > had an M8044-DF 32k memory module, which I'm trying to replace with a > > 128k M8059-KJ. The system works fine with the 32k module, but won't do > > anything with the 128k module. > > Have you checked the jumpers on the M8059? Where in memory does it think > it is supposed to live? Even the M8044 has address jumpers. Two other things occur to me. The first is that memories like the MSV11-D (M8044) and MSV11-L (M8059) have jumpers to enable or disable memory that corresponds to the I/O page. This gets a little complicated... Most DEC memories decode the BBS7 signal to sense access to the I/O page and disable memory access accordingly. The MSV11-D has a jumper 1-2 to enable memory in the lower 2KW of the I/O page for systems that don't use the whole I/O space; jumper 2-3 (the factory setting) to disable memory in the whole top 4KW. The MSV11-L has a similar arangement, using jumpers 28-29 to enable the memory in the bottom half of the I/O page, and 27-28 to disable it. > > I'm not familiar with PDP-11's, but it seems like my backplane is only > > 18-bit, while the new memory module is 22-bit. > > Yes, I would expect that your backplane is 18-bit. It wouldn't matter, > anyway - 18 bits is 256Kbytes (2^18 = 262,144) or 128Kwords. The 128K > card will fill your memory space, but it should work on an 18-bit > blackplane. You can also stuff 4 M8044 cards in there - 32Kwords each > for a total of 128Kwords. And that's the second thing. The MSV11-L doesn't use BBS7 for everything it decodes, so you have to set it according to whether it's in a 22-bit system or an 18-bit system. If there's a jumper from R-T, it's set for a 2MW system. Remove it for 128KW systems. It's also a parity memory, unlike the MSV11-D, and furthermore it has it's own on-board parity control and reporting register. I don't think that would stop it working if not set up, though. If you want to check the parity jumper settings, the factory default is 9-10 out, 10-11 in, 18-19 out and 19-20 in (to enable parity); 1-2 in and 2-3 out (to enable register reporting); 6-7 in and 7-8 out (necessary to disable wrong-parity writing which is used for testing); F-H in and J-H out (to enable the CSR for parity setting/reporting rather than other methods). There are also jumpers to enable/disable half the board. Normal settings are 32-33 out and 33-34 in for a fully-populated board (reverse for half-populated) and 15-16 in and 16-17 out (the reverse disables the lower bank, used if part of the bank fails). Most of the remaining jumpers set the starting address. For a starting address of zero, you want pins P,N,M,L disconnected, and pins V,W,X,Y,Z disconnected (the addressing is done in two parts). To change the address to something other than zero, you would connect one or more of these pins to pin K (ground). > > I've also read that the M8186 board is only 22-bit compatible after > > revision C. I can't find any mark on the board showing what revision it > > is. Is there another way to tell? > > Is it on the maroon handle? I don't think it's anything in the solder > mask/copper; there might be an ink stamp with the revision or perhaps a > sticker. If you can't tell in anyway, shape or form, perhaps you have > a rev A. Quick check is to hold the board with handles at the top/contacts at the bottom, and look for a metal jumper (W18) about an inch below the handles, about halfway between them, and above a diode jumpered with a red wire. If it's there, it's a Rev.A. > > Also, is possible to modify the 18-bit bus and make it 22-bit, or > > maybe by swapping out the backplane? > > You can run the extra backplane wires. I have done it. Having done so, > you may have to find a way to terminate them. Newer boxes are already Q22 > and have bus termination built-in. Older backplanes depended on a > termination card - the BDV-11 is one that is termination plus bootstrap > ROMs. I've done it too. A standard BDV11 doesn't terminate the upper 4 address lines, but there's an ECO (ECO 005?) to fix that. It consists of adding 4 short wires from the contact fingers to termination resistors that are otherwise unused. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP2000 available for login yet?

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

Steve, Did you use the HP2000 in school? I used to work at a board of education in northern NJ and we used to provide timeshare services to many schools in the area.

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HP2000 available for login yet?

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

Saw some posts back in August that Jay got his 2000 up and running, just wondering if it was available to for a guest to login and reminisce. Thanks! Mike

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] ...... ! They should coin a new term for a fake Megabyte (i.e. ! something other than 1024 ^ 2). Call it a "Maybebyte". ! ! That wasn't funny. ! ! Sellam Ismail I thought it was. Or am I that weird? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mhstein＠usa.net

Whoa, can't let that one by: we know what a snowmobile is up here (c'mon, fellow Canucks, back me up on this one!); mind you, if you asked ME what a snowmobile is, I would indeed look at ya kind of funny (oops, funnily, for the language police), since apparently YOU don't know what it is or you wouldn't be asking... But a snow sled??? Who calls it that? Sounds like the SkiDoo trailer. Anyway, one of us invented the thing, so we can call it what we like! So there! :) -----------------Original Message------------------ From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> [snippage] [more snippage (pronounced snippahdge up here, not snippedge :)] And as it's winter, and we *finally* have snow here, talk to some Western Ontario Canadians and ask them what a "snowmobile" or "snow sled" is - they'll most likely look at you funny, at least for a few seconds until it sinks in. They go "skidooing" in the wintertime.

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Replies throughout..... >I have not-too-much experince with VMS, so bear with me, but wouldn't it >be possible to do one of the following options: > >1) Stick an 'emulation' user-mode shell on top of some free *nix > >2) Take a stock free *nix kernel, and modify it to work more like VMS. That was the idea. I thought of taking FreeBSD, and add device drivers for peripherals and filesystems, as well as implementing the "shell". I do have various VAXen to test this on. >Of course, the problem is deciding what ONE kernel to use (prolly BSD or >Linux 2.??), and how to trim down the kernel to a small set of drivers for >testing it. I was thinking about using FreeBSD, simply for the availability of many platform ports, including VAX. - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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Heath/Zenith stuff

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

------Original Message------ From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> --- Bill Gunshannon <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu> wrote: > Your thinking of the Heath H11 which was in fact an LSI-11/02. But it had It shipped as an LSI-11/03 CPU and heath made memory and IO. My H-11 came with a KDF-11 CPU (11/23), but I don't know if it was shipped that way or if my boss (who bought it new) upgraded it himself. Yep, never shipped with 11/23 (KDF-11A). It was discontinued by then if anything. I have a couple of the Heath serial cards (one unsoldered!), the H-27 disk controller, the 8" floppies and a pile of misc DEC cards (memory, BDV-11 boot card, etc). The heath seriial card was a fairly flexible card copared to the usual DEC DL-11. to debug the H-27 (he never used it). Except for the monsterous holes he blew in the side to mount additional fans, and the holes in the front he added for external console baud rate switches, it resembles its original form once again. The fans and switches were a common mod and handy too. Allison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Drummers and SGI computers

by macrecycle＠earthlink.net

Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute there! What's all this biz about dissin' drummers? I'd have you know, like Buddy Rich said, "I am the band, mister." I figure 40 years of being a Slingerland drummer (www.slingerland.com) and Paiste cymbal player (www.paiste.com) driving swing and jazz (and an occasional rock group, when I'm not critical about the music *8^) earn me that right. And, for your information, drummers don't lose time; they reinterpret the chart, for crying out loud. Sheesh! Now, let's get back to computers. Still looking for SGI Indy at a good price; anybody got any ideas? R. P. Bell My friends call me "RB" ================= Mac Recycle Project Recycled Macintosh Computers and Services for Educational or Non-Profit Enterprises Email macrecycle(a)earthlink.net Internet URL www.networkwise.net (currently under development)

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Secondly, anyone with an IQ at or about 75 can >get through the present education system with straight A's if he shows up for >class and does the assigned work. ROFL... sad but true. >What you're saying to the readers of the list is, "You should read what I >have >to say, though I'm not willing to make sure it's clearly or properly >presented." I find it hard to imagine that you could offer content that >would >justify the effort, Chris. Ok... Richard, Dick, whatever you like to call yourself. You sit here claiming to be this great writer and reader... yet it seems you have NO F-ING memory. If you care to go back over the various posts on this thread, you will see that I am NOT the person that was using poor writing skills. Rather, all I said was, to the language die hards, don't forget the possibility that what you got *might* have been the best the person was capable of. I never said the one this was all about (I won't mention names... I'll leave that up to an exercise to your god like reading skills), was writing to the best of HIS ability (he might be, but he seems to have indicated that he writes the way he does by choice... fine by me). But somewhere, you seemed to have translated this into ME be the offender of writing poor emails... despite the fact, that I have tried to point out to you numerous times, that this thread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. (did you get that, or should I print it in another format, one your perfect writing skills would use, so maybe your reading skills can pick it up as well) So... maybe your reading comprehension is bad, maybe you suffer from serious memory deficiencies... I have no idea... but until you can figure out that we are talking CONCEPTUAL here, and NOT ACTUAL... I will cease to discuss the matter with you. Have a nice day :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DEC bus driver/receiver chips (really VT78 docs)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote: > > I have a VT78. Is that the one you're thinking of? No. That's three now :-) I was thinking of the one the CCS have: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/CCS/ Antonio

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Ultrix 4.4 and VaxStation 3100

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) [mailto:vaxman@earthlink.net] ! ! ! The last I heard, NetBSD didn't support any sort of graphics console. ! Not even as a text only console... ! ! Clint ! ! On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! ! > ! From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] ! > ! ! > ! ! > ! > (assuming X11 worked on ! > ! > the Vaxstation 3100 under Ultrix -- I assume it would.) ! > ! AFAIK the SPX graphics was not supported, only the mono and GPX ! > ! framebuffers. ! > ! > So there is some chance of NetBSD/Xwindows running on my ! > b&w 3100m38? ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes So, the monitor and keyboard hooked directly to the back of the VAXStation 3100 M38 is not a text only console? What kind of console is it then? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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HP2000 available for login yet?

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

While we're on the HP 2000 subject: Drug home two more HP1000s (first cousin to the 2000) last wekend. Both systems were mounted in racks and seemed to be fairly complete. The first system was a HP3095 test system. The 3095 series are used in conjunction with a bed-of-nails for the automated testing of boards and assemblys. The system included a HP7914 HD/TAPE combo, 768K of RAM, multiple HPIB interfaces, 8 port TTY card, I/O expansion chassis, misc other I/O cards (unknown). I was hoping that the RTE system was still installed on the disk but, looks like it won't be recoverable. The disk sounded like a coffee grinder when I applied power... Bummer :-( For some reason, the CPU was missing the ROM. I managed to steal the ROM >from another box and now the CPU runs OK. The second system was a vibration analyzer. It included a basic computer, D/A and A/D interfaces, a 8" floppy drive, X/Y display, and system controller. There were no disks with this drive either which leaves me without an OS. If anyone knows where to find DOCs for a "HP5478C system interface" or "HP5477C system controller", I'd appreciate the info. From what I can tell, the system interface is a multiple channel DAC and the controller provides some external switching capability. I'd really like to know more about these. That box has a bad power supply. There's a red indicator on the front of the PS that just stays lit when power is applied. I think this is a fault indicator. There are no voltages on the backplane of that box. I stole the ROM from this box to get the other one going. I know where there is a 1000 crate that's mostly stripped. The panel, and all the cards have been removed but, the PS may be intact. If so, I should be able to liberate the PS. >From what I understand, the ROMS on the 1000 are not easy to dup. They have ID labels over the markings so, I can't even tell what kind of devices they are. Has anyone had experience dupping the ROMs from a 1000? I have tried to download the HP BASIC tapes from Jeff's site but cannot get them to work. The format doesn't look quite right and they fail the checksum test. Has anyone had any luck downloading those tapes and installing on a 1000? So... At this point, I have two working HP1000s, lots of I/O cards, a spare create for parts, and a bunch of other goodies. BTW: I know where there are some more systems. Probably go back this week and get more. See ya, SteveRob >From: "Mike Gortych" <mgortych(a)ntplx.com> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: HP2000 available for login yet? >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:55:34 -0500 > >Saw some posts back in August that Jay got his 2000 up and running, just >wondering if it was available to for a guest to login and reminisce. > >Thanks! >Mike _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Fwd: those who asked. golemancd pc collection

by Golemancd＠aol.com

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Chris, nobody would beat you up for trying to improve himself. Having a few >weaknesses is one thing. Defending them is another. Blaming someone else >for you having them is worse yet. I'm not trying to defend lazy writing skills. I'm not directly trying to blame others either (although, I think a chunk of initial poor writing skills of any kind can be pinned back to improper or poor education. You can't fault the student, if the teachers failed to teach the right thing). >I'll repeat: Make it easy for them to see what you mean in what you write by >taking a little extra care. It's important. Learn to do it well. I agree 100%... but do you mean to say that EVERYONE that uses email has an IQ over 120, and can be expected to master writing skills? Granted, chances are if you are on THIS list, you might be above average, but I am talking more in general (as I am sure some of the correction offenders do this in more places than here) >It's never too late to improve, but YOU have to do it, else it won't happen. No, it isn't too late, but there comes a time when improvement will stop, because a person can do no better. Or, improvement will stop, because the person logically chooses to attempt to do no better, because they have achieved a level that is "good enough", and their time can be better spent on other things. (ie: read Strunk and White, or better your job skills) I am not trying to defend myself, or say that any of this is about me. I want to make that clear... other than poor spelling, I am unaware of any serious language infractions I have ever committed on this list... and when writing anything other than email, I personally rely heavily on spell and grammar checkers... specifically to avoid having my writing make me seem like an ass... I want the honor of making me an ass to be totally on WHAT I write, not HOW I write. I just want some of the hard core language nazi's to realize that sometimes, they should just let it go. If you can't understand what was written, delete it, ignore it, whatever. Friendly constructive criticism is fine... but do it in jest, don't be a dick about it (this isn't saying YOU are a dick about it, no pun intended Richard, just in general, PEOPLE should not make federal crimes out of it... well, at least not until it has spun so badly off topic that it has become interesting and fun in it own right, like this thread). So if you can't understand it because it is so poorly written, you might be better off just ignoring it or deleting it. And if you are the person that wrote that way, and no one responds, maybe you should consider following more traditional writing styles, and check your grammar and spelling. And for those that can't do that (English, or the language of the group, is not their first language, and their skills in general are poor), they should mention that up front. I just don't think highly of people that quote an email specifically to point out writing errors in it. It has never convinced me of anything except that the quote corrector is an arrogant self righteous a-hole. However, if they were to be friendly about it, and do the correction in a tongue in cheek manner, then the original author would get the idea they should be more careful (and probably learn a few things), and the corrector would come off as being more friendly. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Identify this hard drive?

by vcf＠vintage.org

These pictures suck but can anyone possibly identify this hard drive? http://www.siconic.com/crap/bdisk2_f.jpg http://www.siconic.com/crap/bdisk2_s.jpg Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Sequent Symmetry S2000-450

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello everybody. It's possible I could obtain one Sequent Symmetry S2000-450 in a relatively short place. A similar system can be viewed in this eBay address: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1311505028&ed=1009557… The system comes complete, with software, hardware and documentation. It need three pallets to be transported. There is another opportunity to get one Sequent Symmetry S5000 that uses 4 Pentium processors and 1 Gb of memory, but this is in private negotiation. Do Somebody has information about these systems ? They appears to use Four processors 486, a Numa architecture to share memory, and one version of Unix named Dynix. Is there some porting of the Gnu utilities to it ? Thanks and Greetings. Sergio

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FreeVMS

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

My, that means my Vax 6000 isn't? Phil Merle K. Peirce wrote: > If it doesn't have wheels, it isn't really a computer. oh good!!! my celeron linux server *has* wheels :^)

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >> Standard twisted pair ribbon cable terminated with a 26 way 0.1in >> pitch IDC transition connector which is soldered to the board. I will >> probably cut the cable and remove the connector (one pin at a time) >> and replace with a standard IDC plug and socket. >Why not just desolder the connector? Braid works well for some of those >plated through boards, just watch the heat or it can lift the pads. I managed to dismantle the plasma display and all of the cables can be disconnected at the display end. It would have been a lot easier to fit PSU and mother board connectors as well. Just have to clean up the mother board now. Chris

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PS/2 Model 70

by dittman＠dittman.net

I found a couple of 2MB PS/2 SIMMs that I had stashed away and put them in my PS/2 Model 70, so I now have 8MB of RAM. I haven't cracked the password on the Xenix386 installation, but thought from the discussion that OS/2 would be a better operating system to play with anyway. I have OS/2 2.1. Would that be a good choice? If so, is there a way to make floppies from the installation CD? I haven't messed with OS/2 for a long time. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] ! ! ! On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Robert Schaefer wrote: ! ! > I would imagine it was to talk to the printer. IIRC early Macs used ! > SCSI printers, too. Pretty neat. I wonder how hard a SCSI <-> ! > parallel interface would be to build. ! ! I seem to remember seeing a few companies offer these kinds ! of bridges, ! but I doubt they would work for anything other then a printer. I have here on my desk, an UNused Hewlett Packard 88395 SCSI/Parallel Interface. With it's power supply. :-) Need any more info? Like what's inside? ! I have a SCSI <-> ethernet bridge around here somewhere. I ! think it was ! made for older Macs that lacked nubus or another means of ! expansion. It ! reports itself as a disk device, but I haven't done much with it yet. That's a neat thing. Do you remember who the manufacturer is? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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PET music (Was: hmm, don't remember what the thread was originally :)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Not sure what you're looking for here, hardware or software? Seems to me any S/W not using CB2 would require _some_ kind of special hardware, however trivial. At least 2 come to mind, the Petunia, and the MTU 4 voice/16 harmonics systems for both PETs and KIM/SYM/AIMs; is one of these what you're thinking of? The cheap & dirty method was just a resistor ladder across the parallel interface as a D/A converter; might still have one of these & some S/W, but don't hold your breath, haven't looked at the CBM pile in ages. Hmmm... just ran across an old ad for an accounting package for a KIM/SYM; wouldn't you have enjoyed being the data entry operator for that? Think I'd prefer even a Windows package... -------------Original Message---------------- From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> <snip> ObClassic: Does anyone have any software for making music on the PET with *other* than CB2 sound? I had a buddy with a clip-on user port music card - it was an 8-bit D-to-A like a Disney Sound Source. The PET shoved bytes out the user port and they appoximated music. I can't remember what it was called.

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> > How about: "Stupid people suck."? > > > Everyone in this world may not have had the level of > > opportunity ( in education, employment, etc. ) that > > many of you have had. Before coming down on him so hard, > > I would at least be willing to consider "his story"? > > > Level of "opportunity" my butt. He got whatever opportunity he made for > himself. Anything else is entitlement-minded whining. He's a lazy > communicator and is getting slapped around for it. Deal. Gene -- you are right on. Slobs choose to be slobs all on their own, and then they have to deal with being slobs. It's a tough life ;>) Glen 0/0

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7/01/97 ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 3

by marvin＠rain.org

============================================================================= ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List Part 3 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy Technical FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.6.1 Last Update: 7/01/97 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor- mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but, in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain- ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible and often failed ;). This FAQ is Part 3 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented deals with regularly asked questions which are technical in nature. If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please contact me at the address above. A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://weber.u. washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.27 in the directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as classiccmp.faq. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updates: New Sections: 5.1 Updated Sections: 1.2, 2.4, 4.1, 5.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. General ------------------ 1.1 I just picked up a new machine. What should I do? 1.2 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes? 2. Media -------- 2.1 What's a hard sector disk? What's a soft sector disk? 2.2 What's SS/SD, DS/DD, DS/QD, DS/HD, etc. 2.3 Can these formats be interchanged? 2.4 What disk sizes are there? 2.5 How do I take care of old media? 3. Component Failure Issues --------------------------- 3.1 Do EPROM's go bad? 3.2 How about ROM's, other chips? 3.3 How about capacitors? 3.4 Anything else? 3.5 So how do I backup all this stuff like you suggest? 4. Software ----------- 4.1 Where can I get a system disk for platform X? 4.2 What's the best way to back up my software? 5. Specific Problems/Solutions ------------------------------ 5.1 Is it possible to bypass an RF modulator to achieve composite output? ============================================================================= 1.1 I just picked up a new machine. What should I do? Don't power it up yet! All of the following should probably be done before that power switch gets flipped. Open the case - clean and visually inspect components. You're looking for traces of smoke, water, corrosion, loose screws, blown caps and resistors, cold (broken) solder joints, bent pins, etc. It may be a good idea to remove and re-seat all socketed components and connectors. If anything burned or overheated it will probably pay to replace it before powering up the unit. You can avoid a number of problems just by taking a peek inside. If you have the tools (and the machine is sufficiently rare) pull and dump backups of all EPROMs, ROMs, and PALs. If you have really cool tools (like a logic analyzer) it has been suggested that you use them to record critical information from those oh-so-hard-to-find custom chips. Specific information on how to do this is beyond the scope of a FAQ, but you probably know what you need to if you own the appropriate tools. Disconnect the power supply from the rest of the computer and start it up on a "dummy load". A six volt headlight bulb has been recommended as a convenient load. These should be available from any decent Volkswagen shop. Running the power supply without a load could result in damage to it. You may want to check the voltage output before you do this as it could be no where near the 5V average in micros. Even if you don't want to connect a load it's still probably a good idea to power it up separately from the computer for the first time. If you have a really rare beast it may be worth powering up some of the key capacitors out of circuit just to get them warmed up. Now you can power it up. Assuming it works, take a blank disk, format it, write some data to it, and read it back before using your precious software with it, as a bad disk drive could really ruin your day. 1.2 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes? Cases: It seems best to start gently with such old equipment. Try soaking in a little water and dish soap and then scrubbing. This takes care of most jobs. For removing stickers try mineral oil or Goo-Gone (available at most hardware stores - in the US at least). If those don't work, acetone can be good but, if overused, can do more harm. For removing marker, almost any solvent is good (alcohol, naptha, etc) but will definitely discolor or dissolve plastic if not carefully applied. Lava soap is also good for removing marker but can smooth off textured plastic. For removing sun or tobacco discoloring a product called Purple Stuff available from auto parts stores (again, in the US at least) seems to do the job almost effortlessly. Recommended commercial products: Purple Stuff from Kragen [for discoloration] Brasso [ink/marker] (can discolor plastic) Antistatic Foam Cleaner from Electrolube [for discoloration/markings] Citra-Solv [for discoloration] (can dissolve plastic if undiluted) Cameo Copper Cleaner [ink/marker] Naptha [for stickers/goop/spooge] (very flammable) 3M GP Adhesive Remover [for stickers/goop/spooge] CRC 226 / CRC 556 [for stickers/goop/spooge] Fulcron [for discoloration] Blue Shower / BS II [for stickers/goop/spooge] Connectors: For edge connectors a plain pink eraser seems good for removing corrosion. Apparently other colors of eraser indicate a different texture - which may be damaging. Make sure to wipe the connectors with a clean cloth after erasing on them. There are a large number chemicals on the market that "magically" remove corrosion from components but as I don't know how safe they are, I'm not anxious to promote any of them. For pin style connectors a toothbrush and some softscrub or other mildly abrasive cleaner do wonders. Recommended commercial products: Electrolube contact cleaning sprays. Keyboards: I find a cycle through the dishwasher does a really nice job on keyboards. Just be sure they're completely dry before you put any power to them. If there is reason not to use a dishwasher (some key labels can come off) it is usually possible to remove each keycap and clean conventionally. [][][][][][][][][][] 2.1 What's a hard sectored disk? What's a soft sectored disk? We'll start with soft-sector since they're simpler to explain. On a soft-sector floppy disk the information that marks where a sector begins and ends is written to the disk by the computer (part of the formatting process). This means that various computers can use the same floppy disk types because the format of the disk is control- led by the operating system. Hard sector disks use a system of perforations in the media to mark the beginnings and ends of sectors. This means that computers which used hard sectored disks required the exact disk type they specified rather than a generic soft-sector floppy. A number of differently sectored disks were available - at least 10, 13, and 16 sector formats. 8 inch and 5.25 inch disks commonly used hard sectoring. 3.5 inch disks never came hard-sectored and, in fact, it would not be possible. 2.2 What's SS/SD, DS/DD, DS/QD, DS/HD, etc. These all refer to the number of useable sides on a disk and it's density (how "efficiently" the magnetic bits are pushed together). SS/SD is a Single Sided - Single Density disk, the earliest available type I believe. The storage afforded by a single density disk was very small compared to today's standards. Single Sided disks were popular because they were cheaper than DS and could be easily modified with a hole punch into double sided disks. SD was followed by Double Density which, amazingly, doubled the amount of storage space. Double Density was followed by the extremely short-lived Quad Density which doubled a DD disk. QD was short lived because High Density was right on it's heels and nearly doubled disk capacity again. DS/HD was as sophisticated as 5.25" disks became. 3.5" disks have progressed as far as DS/EHD double-sided / extra-high density. 2.3 Can these formats be interchanged? Well, that may depend on what computer you are using, but in general the following substitutions may be made: Desired Format Substitute --------------------------------------------------- Single Density Double Density Double Density none reliably Quad Density DD, HD (sometimes work, not advisable!) High Density none Other substitutions may be made, but due to physical differences in how the disks are made they are generally unreliable. It can almost be guaranteed that data written to a proper density disk of poor quality will last longer than data written to a good quality disk of the wrong density. In the case of quad density no substitution should be considered reliable. DD and HD disks both can be forced to work. One may work better than the other given the peculiarities of various drives. 2.4 What disk sizes are there? Disk Types? Physically? Standard Disks Unique/Proprietary Disks --------------------------------------------------------- 8" (Floppy) 5" (MiniFloppy) 5.25" (MiniFloppy) 3.25" (MicroFloppy) 3.5" (MicroFloppy) 3" (MicroFloppy) 2.5" 2" In addition to odd sizes - there is at least one type of disk which was physically different. "Twiggy" disks for the Apple Lisa 1 were regular 5.25" disks with the exception that they had two read/write windows. One was oriented "north" of the center hole, the other "south". 2.5 How do I take care of old media? Step one is Back It Up! After that, make sure it's kept in a clean, dry, temperature-controlled environment (I keep mine in a broken freezer). With disks it seems important to keep them standing on end rather than lying flat - the same goes for cassette tapes. I like to exercise disks and tapes at least once every six months although I have no real evidence that this has any positive effect. I have modified an old C64 floppy drive to simply spin when a disk is inserted and send large stacks of disks through it on a regular basis just to make sure they're not starting to stick up internally. An exciting and somewhat recent development is that availability of classic computer emulators that can make disk images of old media on PC's and Macs. This seems to be a very good way to backup disks since they will eventually go bad no matter how well we take care of them. The official line seems to be that floppy disks have a shelf-life of approximately 10 years. With proper care many are lasting a lot longer. [][][][][][][][][][] 3.1 Do EPROM's go bad? Definitely. They apparently are considered to reliably contain data for (on the outside edge) 15 years. This amount can be considerably reduced if, for example, the sticker over the window has dried out and fallen off. Luckily EPROMs were not used too extensively but they're out there. An EPROM writer/reader is a relatively cheap investment and an easy fix. Even if an EPROM has "forgotten" it's data it is still fine for being "re-educated". 3.2 How about ROMs and other chips? Things wear out. It's likely that even components which have not been fried by catastrophic failure will simply start to die someday. ROMs can be dumped to a file and re-written if they die. Other custom chips which are all too common in micros will be far more difficult to replace. The best advice is to stockpile these chips when you can - but someday even unused chips will probably start to turn up bad. In this case the best defense is to stockpile information in the hope of being able to modify an existing component to meet your needs. 3.3 How about capacitors? This seems to be another large concern, but rather than being an unreplaceable component a capacitor will take your unreplaceable components with it when it goes. It's a good idea to check out all the caps in a system if you haven't fired it up in a while. Caps go bad with time (even tantalum caps, apparently - although they are more reliable) and should be replaced if they are suspect. It's unlikely that it will be impossible to find a replacement capacitor as they are much more standard electronic components. 3.4 Anything else? Documentation: If there's anything which is entirely unreplaceable its the docs for uncommon equipment. Once they're gone, they're gone. I regularly pick up docs I find for equipment I don't have just because I may someday. Paper will, of course. go bad over time but it will be obvious and they will be easily duplicated. Hard Disks: ST-251s, ST-502s, MFM, RLL... old hard disks are going to go bad. Then they'll be gone. Theoretically, I suppose it's possible to crack a hard drive and replace a dead bearing, realign, relaminate, etc... but I've never heard of anyone doing these things in their base- ment. Perhaps in another 5 or 10 years many of us will be experts at this. 3.5 So, how do I back up all this stuff like you suggest? This answer will undoubtedly get longer as I learn more. The best ways seem to be to dump the particular ROM (or whatever) using the approp- riate equipment to a floppy disk (which most of this equipment allows). >From there you can transfer the data to either a CD-ROM - convenient but not long term reliable storage or to mylar tape which may be inconvenient - but the official word on how long it lasts is "Damn near forever." Punch tape units are available and apparently not difficult to use with a PC (PC - the great multi-purpose classic computer peripheral). Optical tape readers are recommended. Recommended products: Tape Writers: Facit 4070, Teletype BRPE. Tape Readers: Trend 700 [][][][][][][][][][] 4.1 Where do I get a system disk for platform X? Since this is a tough one, let me break it down a little: Apple II: System disks for the Apple II are available from Apple at ftp.apple.com. Apple III system disks aren't available although probably will be soon on the ClassicCmp site. Apple Lisa disks aren't availble and probably will not be due to the extreme measure of copy protection used on them. Older Mac system software is availble on the Apple site. CP/M Systems: Ak! These can be a pain. The best source (although I've never actually talked to him) seems to be Don Maslin who runs the Dina-SIG system disk archive. He charges a small fee for the service - which I imagine is well worth the cost! He can be contacted on the internet at <donm(a)cts.com>. Other systems - let me know. 4.2 What's the best way to back up my software? One of the most promising ways that has come up is to use a PC with a soundcard as a really expensive cassette recorder for data storage. Fundamentally there's not much difference between a real recorder and and a PC equipped with sound. By storing your software in your favorite PC sound file format you can then back up to CD or tape or whatever PC medium you like. Most micros came equipped with the ability to store programs to tape and I would imagine that it would be easy to modify computers without this capability to use one. In addition, the rapid rise in the popularity of emulators has given rise to a number of disk image formats for old machines. In many cases it is possible to read/write disk images for classic computers with modern PCs. [][][][][][][][][][] 5.1 Is it possible to bypass an RF modulator to achieve composite output? Possibly - depending on what you're working on. In the simplest case it is possible to simply run off of the inputs to the modulator right to your monitor. Some setups will apparently require a video amplifier. It has also been suggested that it may help to turn of the termination switch at the monitor. ============================================================================= CREDITS CREDITS CREDITS CREDITS CREDITS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks go out to the following people for much of this information: (some credited by e-mail handle) Adam Bergstrom Kai Kaltenbach Alexios Chouchoulas Keith Whitehead Captain Napalm Ricardo Romagnoli Chris Starling J. Maynard Gelinas Dave Jenner Douglas Zander George Lin Greg Mast Jay Vaughn Jeff Hellige Jim Strickland Jim Willing Larry Anderson Martin Evans Paul Coad Roger Merchberger Ron Mitchell Sam Ismail Tony (A.R. Duell) William Donzelli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ==============================================================================

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7/01/97 ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 2

by marvin＠rain.org

============================================================================= ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List Part 2 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy List Specific FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.6.2 Last Update: 7/01/97 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor- mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but, in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain- ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible and often failed ;). This FAQ is Part 2 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented deals with regular day-to-day issues on the list. If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please contact me at the address above. A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://weber.u. washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.27 in the directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as classiccmp.faq. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updates: New Sections: 1.5, 1.7, 2.9, 2.10 Updated Sections: 1.1, 2.3, 2.4, 3.1 Removed: 5.4, 6.1-on ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. About the List ----------------- 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? 1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? 1.3 What's a Classic Computer? 1.4 Who runs this thing? 1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator? 1.6 Don't you know you're duplicating what others have done? 1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list? 2. Protocol and Etiquette ------------------------- 2.1 What can I talk about? 2.2 Can I talk about PCs? 2.3 Can I talk about Mini/MainFrames? 2.4 Can I post advertisements? 2.5 Can I ask people to give me their computers? 2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x? 2.7 Where should I look before posting a dumb question? 2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS?!? 2.9 Can I post trophy lists? 2.10 Can I use obscene languagein my posts? 3. Misc List Information ------------------------ 3.1 How many subscribers are there? 3.2 How many subscribers use machine x? 3.3 Is this list archived? 4. ClassicCmp Resources on the Net ---------------------------------- 4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a Web Site? 4.2 How come the Web Site is so ugly? 4.3 Does ClassicCmp have an FTP Site? Collecting ---------- 5.1 Where can I find Classic Computers? 5.2 How much is machine x worth? 5.3 Will thousands of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them? 5.4 I don't understand anything. Help! ============================================================================= 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail. 1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them. 1.3 What is a Classic Computer? _Any computer_ that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic. This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to work OK, so I've kept it. 1.4 Who runs this thing? That would be me, Bill Whitson - email bcw(a)u.washington.edu. 1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator? Sorry. It does often take me several days (sometimes weeks!) to respond to e-mail. I am often away for days at a time and when I'm not I'm still probably busy doing real work. I receive more than double the amount of mail that goes to the list in the form of spam, bounced messages, odd user requests, general bitching, etc. and I still have to filter out the messages I actually have to respond to, to remain employed ;). I will get back to you eventually. 1.6 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done. I get a "reinventing the wheel" e-mail at least once a week. If you show me another group of computer collectors that claims a membership as large as this one I'll show you a group that must be very hard to find. Obviously there are other groups of collectors and I'm cheering them on - I don't see a problem with duplicating and reduplicating lore that's quickly disappearing anyway. 1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list? The daily load varies widely from about 10 messages to over 100. Average seems to be about 44 messages a day. There are times where the message load peaks for as much as a week. [][][][][][][][][] 2.1 What can I talk about? Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might want to check facts before you start shooting off messages. It's also a good idea to actually read the FAQs and check the archives a little before posting. 2.2 Can I talk about PCs? Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then, be aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC newsgroups. 2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames/WorkStations/Gigantic Talking Boxes with Flashing Lights & Coundown Timers/Robots from Alien Civilizations? There has apparently been some misconception that this is a list for micros/home computers only. You'll note I said "misconception". 2.4 Can I post advertisements? Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course, use your brain - don't spam. Also, please state up-front whether or not you are willing to ship the items you sell outside your country as there are members of this list in a number of different countries. 2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers? Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for example, would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on usenet who will vouch for this. When someone posts about one of their machines without offering to sell it - it's really a pretty good bet that they're not secretly trolling for offers. See section 5 for info on how to find yourself a computer. 2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x. Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic electronics tools (VOM/DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). I'm no whiz with this stuff and the little knowledge I have has come from asking questions and then buying books to find out what "Simple... Just check the voltage on the caps in the PS to make sure one of them isn't flaking out!" exactly means. 2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question? It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below). 2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?! (Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?) Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars. 2.9 Can I post trophy lists? Ahem. Er... I'm not going to go to the extent of banning this practise but it is considered bad manners. Don't whine to me because I used to be guilty of this and curbed myself ;). Post lists of newly acquired goods if you actually need info on them, not just to show off. 2.10 Can I use obscene language in my posts? Yes. Although I'm sure many people would prefer you did not. A number of people have complained about this. I'm not going to outlaw swearing - now that I've informed you that it bothers people you can make your choice. [][][][][][][][][][] 3.1 How many subscribers are there? Around 180 and changing daily. 3.2 How many subscribers use machine x? Check the web site (see below). The Classic Computer Encyclopedia shows the number of machines registered by subscribers. 3.3 Is this list archived? Yes. The archives are available on the FTP site (see below) in the directory /pub/classiccmp/archive. The file name format indicates the month/year of the archive. Keep in mind that they are quite large. [][][][][][][][][][] 4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a web site? Yep. http://weber.u.washington.edu/bcw/ccl.html 4.2 How come the web site is so ugly? How come a PET is so ugly? Who cares as long as it works? 4.3 Does ClassicCmp have an FTP site? Yes. Anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.27. Look in /pub/classiccmp. There's not much there that's not available on the web site. I'm starting to load old drivers and system disks on occasion. There is an incoming directory which subscribers may use for ClassicCmp-related file transfers if needed. [][][][][][][][][][] 5.1 Where can I find classic computers? The best places seem to be thrift stores and swap meets. These are closely followed by pawn shops and mom and pop computer stores. The holy grails are electronics scrap yards - but they tend to be wary of individual pick-and-choosers. Oh yeah - garage sales! 5.2 How much is machine x worth? Precisely as much as you'll pay for it. Oh, you're selling it? Then, precisely as much as I'll pay for it. Seriously, no one prices these any more. I have an old Computer Blue Book that lists many classic computers but the prices are just ridiculous. Some machines (Apple Lisa's, old old Mini's, and unreleased prototypes) are starting down the road toward their original selling prices but it's unlikely that most will ever be worth more than the cost of their components. 5.3 Will 1000's of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them? Yes. This is the impetus behind every collector's tireless and selfless effort. Each machine we fail to save has it's gold parts mercilessly hacked off and sold (just like rhino horns - and look at the rhinos). The remainder is then sent to China to be made into bicycle spokes (you probably think I'm joking). Save a computer! Act now! Remind your SO of the rhino and cuter, fuzzier animals. It might work. In all seriousness - there are a large (and growing) number of so called "computer and electronics 'recyclers'" who take usable computers and recycle them into "reusable scrap". Small amounts of gold, silver, and platinum are extracted and the remainder of the material is generally just marketed to less wasteful countries. 5.4 I don't understand anything. Help! Don't worry - you're not the only one. Reading this list, old magazines, books and whatever else you can get your hands on is the first step. Once you reach a critical mass of knowledge thigs get a lot easier. I'm working on putting together a list of books and tools that a beginner should get his hands on. If you have suggestions, let me know. =============================================================================

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >I've never seen a lithium battery leak from old age. I have some sitting >around that were made in the mid '80s. I'll make a note to avoid this >particular brand if I can help it. Does the motor still turn? It may just >need to be cleaned up. It think the battery must have gassed as well. There is evidence of bad corrosion to zinc plated parts two to three inches from the battery. Aluminium and copper parts seem to be OK. The head stepper motor still works but is badly corroded on the outside. I will have to remove it to clean it properly and then re-align with a known good floppy. >> Before I get around to cleaning the boards I will need to figure out how to >> disconnect the display. The connecting cables are hardwired to the main >> board :-( >Are they soldered? Do they use flat plastic or standard ribbon cable? Standard twisted pair ribbon cable terminated with a 26 way 0.1in pitch IDC transition connector which is soldered to the board. I will probably cut the cable and remove the connector (one pin at a time) and replace with a standard IDC plug and socket. I can't understand why they didn't do this in the first place, there is enough room to fit both a plug and socket. Also, the display power cable has no connector fitted. BTW, I worked with a guy who accidentally recharged an AA sized Lithium battery. It left shrapnel in the wall and he is still slighty deaf in one ear. Chris It lef

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

sometimes i forget that computer folks r technical people. i come from the arts where the only thing that is needed is understanding. i am on stage sometimes and all the musicians do is just nod or look at each other and everyone understands them. will try and and be more precise. i guess here that is needed. joee

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >> Thanks for the advice. Found the battery, or rather what's left of it. >> Whatever it is that leaks or gasses out of Lithium batteries has eaten >> into most of the steelwork. I will have to replace the floppy drive >> and clean up metalwork. :-( >Are you sure it's a Lithium battery? I think most of these used NiCads, >and recharged them when they were powered. It's definitely Lithium (Eternacell B9632T 3.6V). I think the machine must have been on it's side when the battery leaked. There is a lot a corrosion damage to the FDD mounting hardware and the FDD head stepper motor. Anything zinc plated seems to have been badly corroded. The main board appears to be OK. Two crystal cans are badly corroded (zinc plated) and some of the solder joints in the area are a little "dull". Everything functions normally apart from the erratic FDD. FDD and HDD have non standard 26-way and 40-way connectors respectively. I've found a source for replacement FDD, ecdmagnetics.co.uk. >A number of the boards I repaired after the Houston floods had damage from >the Lithium coin cells around the holders. It was an dark orange-red color >and didn't seem to be highly alkaline or acidic. A thorough cleaning with >baking soda and a plastic brush seemed to get rid of this stuff. Before I get around to cleaning the boards I will need to figure out how to disconnect the display. The connecting cables are hardwired to the main board :-( Thanks for the advice Chris Leyson

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Strange and Possibly Wonderful Cable

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The 2 things I can't really identify are a Panasonic Easa-Phone, >KX-T1225 which seems to be a speed-dialer of some sort. Grey box with 4 columns of buttons (something like 10 or 15 rows), and two RJ jacks at the top (RJ45 and RJ11?). If that is what you have, then it sounds like these old PBX speed dialers I had (probably not, but just in case, here goes)... IIRC mine said Panasonic Easa-Phone on them too. The ones I had, I think could only be plugged into the old Bell PBX they were used with. They didn't work on POTS lines. They had a 50 pin "Blue Ribbon" (WOOHOO... now that I know the name, I can use it correctly) to 5 RJ12 adaptor that was plugged into the 25 pair telco cable. It used an RJ12 to RJ45 adaptor cable to plug into the Telco adaptor. And then the RJ11 jack on the dialer was used to hook up to a speaker/mic box (a la Charlie's Angels desktop speaker phone box) I might still have one kicking around, but I don't think I have any manuals (don't recall ever having manuals). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Lazer 128 Apple IIe Clone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

I know there are some Apple ][ clone people on this list, so I thought I would forward this on. I would love the Lazer 128, but can't afford to ship it, and Michigan is too far for me to drive to pick it up... maybe one you would want it: >Subject: [swap] Anyone insterested in Apple IIgs or Lazer 128. >Date: 1/4/02 7:57 PM >Received: 1/4/02 9:42 PM >From: Scott Simons, mrvchung(a)iserv.net >To: LEM Swap List, lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com > >Just like the subject says. Anyone insterested in Apple IIgs or Lazer >128. I'm not all I have because they are in storage, but I will try to >get to them this weekend. I will then have a list of hardware that would >come with them. Local to 49418 or 49345 would be great. > >Scott >GR, MI Reply to him, not me, I don't know anything more than the above listing. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Way OT: Frost Heaves (was RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclatur e (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mhstein＠usa.net

Oooooohhh.. Groan... GOOD ONE; LOL! Makes all the OT crap worth while. -------------Original Message------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:31:54 -0700 From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> Since ee cummings had been disparaged here, one could interpret the term as critical of a certain New England poet ;)

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Language and English

by vze2mnvr＠verizon.net

Dick, > Note that this item is NOT published on the mailing list, > since few people will be interested in its content. Note that this item IS published on the mailing list, because quite frankly, Charlotte, I don't give a damn. > see below, plz. Does this portray a laziness on your part that makes the reader have to hunt through a long message to see what you have to say? I had noticed this many times in the past, but previously refrained from mentioning it. I felt that, up to now, I would tolerate your style. > If your message is not germane to that topic, if it contains > no relevant information, or if it reflects no thought, it > should not be there. Can I also hold you to this, or do you succumb to a double standard? I recall so many messages from you, so many of which were off topic, that I thought only someone who had nothing better to do with their time, could have so much time to devote to a "mailing list". Is that better? > If you had attended all your classes, performed all the assigned > reading and writing, and taken the feedback from your teachers > seriously, you'd be able to express yourself precisely and > accurately using the tools the system provided. The fact that you > don't shows that you didn't. I attended enough classes to graduate in the top 1% out of a graduating class of over 700, taking the hardest level of classes available in the advanced placement program, all the while working nearly full time while I was in school. You obviously have me confused with someone else. > If I were you, I'd not start on blaming the educational system > for your own inability to communicate in the prevailing language > in our culture. > Those are things clearly absent from your "stream-of-consciousness" writing style, ... I'd sit down with you anytime and compare literary abilities and writing styles. I might not be world class, but you'll never out perform me when I'm on a project that, to me, is of greater importance than a "mailing list" message. > Did you ever study FORTRAN FORTRAN IV at Old Dominion University when I was 16, back in 1973. I was released from some of my Chemistry classes to simultaneously take that programming class. > not to mention oddly composed, incomprehensibly formatted, and > poorly spelled items, written in poor grammar and with incom- > prehensibly incorrect syntax. Again, you obviously must have me confused with Joee who posted the message that began this thread. > It's not a place for idle chatter, nor is it a place to prattle > on about senseless things, though that happens from time to time. Yes, you do this quite often. > English is a Germanic language, That was my mistake. I have now learned something new, or a misconception of mine has now been corrected. I thank you, it will not be forgotten. http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html Now I will have to ponder why there are so many similarities between French and Italian words and their English counterparts, while to me the German language seems so much different. Ian Richard Erlacher wrote: > > Note that this item is NOT published on the mailing list, since few people > will be interested in its content. That is how personalized replies > normally are handled in this environment. > > see below, plz. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Koller" <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: Language and English > > > > Hello Dick, > > > > I get the impression, which may not be correct, that you > > may be retired, because of the greater amount of time that > > you are able to devote to reading and responding to newsgroup > > messages. > > > Contrary to what you apparently believe, this is not a newsgroup. This is a > mailing list, and one that's privately maintained, funded, and hosted. I'd > suggest you find out what a newsgroup is and then proceed. I'd also > suggest you consider why this list exists. It's a medium for communicating > information and thoughts germane to a specific topic. If your message is > not germane to that topic, if it contains no relevant information, or if it > reflects no thought, it should not be there. > > > > If this is so, that would mean you encountered an educational > > system at a previous date in time that may have been more formal > > than that which I encountered. > > > Nope ... I have two kids in expensive, out-of-state colleges thouseands of > miles away, and that doesn't allow me to sit on my duff and read nonsense, > not to mention oddly composed, incomprehensibly formatted, and poorly > spelled items, written in poor grammar and with incomprehensibly incorrect > syntax. > > If I were you, I'd not start on blaming the educational system for your own > inability to communicate in the prevailing language in our culture. If you > had attended all your classes, performed all the assigned reading and > writing, and taken the feedback from your teachers seriously, you'd be able > to express yourself precisely and accurately using the tools the system > provided. The fact that you don't shows that you didn't. > > I was actively engaged in assisting as well as monitoring the education of > my children as they went through the public education system. From that > experience I learned that one can still get the level of education necessary > to express onesself appropriately and accurately in terms of the common > mathematics and science and with reference to the same historical and > literary background that has traditionally been taught. It is a different > process than it was when I went through it, which I did in grades 6 through > 12, and onward, probably all well before you were born. > > > > Question. Did you ever study Latin? Was Latin offered in your > > school system? It was not offered in mine, but since I recently > > have been in contact with people in France, Italy, Germany, and > > Spain, I believe having studied the root language of all the > > "romance" languages would have proven helpful now. I'll bet that > > when Latin no longer became a requirement in many educational > > programs, there was more than one that must have felt that > > that was a sign of deteriorating standards. > > > No, I didn't study Latin, since people don't use it any longer. I was > studying English, which, as everyone knows, is NOT a romance language. > > Did you ever study FORTRAN (before FTN77) or COBOL? At least those are > still used ... occasionally. > > Latin was taught in order to teach the concept of structure and rigor. > Those are things clearly absent from your "stream-of-consciousness" writing > style, which suggests that, if you did study Latin, you didn't attend all > the classes or perform all the assigned work. > > English is a Germanic language, like, German, which also is not a romance > language, and is my "second" language, German having been the first. That > may explain why my adherence to precise grammar, syntax, and orthography > leans somewhat to the pedantic. > > I'd suggest that you take the extra moment or two to think about what you > need to say in the ClassicCmp mailing list environment BEFORE you say it, in > which case you won't have to defend it afterwards, which really isn't > necessary anyway. I'd also suggest you take time to consider the effect of > what you do to format, punctuate, and capitalize your writing on other > people's ability to read what you transmit. The mailing list isn't a "Chat" > room. It's not a place for idle chatter, nor is it a place to prattle on > about senseless things, though that happens from time to time. > > Oddly formatted messages become nearly unreadable on displays formatted > differently from yours, and there's little you can do about it, since you've > no control over the display system some folks use. Many of the users of > "the list" are in other countries, which means they're using a language with > which they're not familiar. > > The use of colloqialisms, particularly the use of esoteric abbreviations, > can render your messages unintelligible. The reason most of us use > "standard" English is that (1) because it's familiar to us, we can quickly > and easily read it, extracting the content with reasonable reliability, and > (2) because people not so familiar with popular idioms will not have to > spend time deciphering them. It's difficult enough sifting through the > computerese jargon. > > > I take time form my busy day to tell you all this because you may have > something of value to contribute. Learning, first and foremost, requires > exposure to information that one doesn't already have. If there's little of > that, and if your messages are difficult to read, your messages will > ultimately end up in the "kill file" rather than on the list of things > people read. That will, of course be transparent to you, since the listbot > will still distribute the things you transmit. It will just become a waste > of bandwidth, however. > > > > Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > > > > Gee ... judging from the net unwillingness to use normal "adult" > > > punctuation, captitalization, etc, it does look as though you're doing > it > > > just to be "cute." I can't think of a single reason, otherwise, why one > > > would one do that? > > > > > > When I was in the 8th grade, one of the courses we were required to take > was > > > in typing. I've never gotten particularly good at it, but I did learn > that > > > a period at the end of a sentence is followed by two spaces, for > example. > > > In about the first grade, I learned that the first letter in a sentence > is > > > customarily capitalized. Why? I don't know, but it appears to be the > > > custom. As a consequence, the absence of these basic features makes > one's > > > writing harder to read. The odd-length lines of text don't help > > > readability, either. It's also customary to insert a blank line between > > > paragraphs. That, surely, is to enhance readability. If you want > people to > > > read your stuff, you've got to make it easy for them. > > > > > > If you insist on writing in a style reminiscent of E. E. Cummings > poetry, > > > you may find that your messages are read by readers of this forum with > about > > > the same frequency as E.E. Cummings' work, which might be a shame, in > case > > > you really do have something significant to contribute. or in case I'm > the > > > only one who doesn't read much Cummings. > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Golemancd(a)aol.com> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: Language and English > > > > > > > this may help > > > > i am 38 years old, so there is nothing about my typing style > > > > where i am trying to be cute. > > > > i collect any computer i can get my hands on. > > > > i am developing an operating system and a multimedia program > > > > to create movies. > > > > i use a newer computer to produce records. > > > > i am also working out, as i was talking about > > > > in the original thread that got off track, a distributed > > > > os to control robots and also a custom computer > > > > to do the same. > > > > > > > > i guess thats it. > > > > joee > > > > > > > > > > > >

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RFD: SPAM

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 17:43, Doc wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote: > > > Well, about the only thing I've found that seems to deter spammers is > > being aggressive with them. Phone calls and faxes to companies they do > > business with and work for seem to work wonders. > > Well, it looks like the relationship between subscribing to this list > and the wave of spam was simply coincidental. I do use agressive means > to discourage repeat performances, but I'll admit the latest wave of > character-based asian crap has me stumped. I don't know for sure that it's the list, but I only use this email address for private mail and this list. I never use it in other obvious places that would attract spam, such as Usenet, yet I seem to get a little flurry of extra spam every so often, corresponding to shortly after I post something here. I'm convinced there's some relationship. Quite how to reconcile that with the fact that other people who post here never seem to have a problem, I don't know. I've learned to live with it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Unfortunately, todays student doesn't have the tools he needs to cope with a >foreign language if he hasn't been taught basic sentence structure(subject, >verb, predicate nominative, predicate adjective, etc.) , spelling, and >grammar. What the hell is THIS based on? Certainly not reality. Any sentence structure and grammar I learned in English class was actually COUNTER PRODUCTIVE to me when trying to learn French that uses a totally different sentence structure. I was constantly confused when attempting to form a sentence in French, as I tried to speak it in English structure. I would have to conclude, that LACK of basic sentence structure knowledge in English will actually HELP a student learn other languages (including English in the long run, as their brain becomes programmed to a more open thought process towards language). I base this on my own difficulties in learning a foreign language... and on the absolute EASE with which my brother's 3 kids have learned Spanish and English by growing up in a bilingual house hold... as well as my cousin who was speaking fluent Italian and English by 3 (well, as fluent as a 3 yr old speaks any language), since he too grew up in a bilingual household. Add to it that the most common foreign language errors made by people that have basic fluency in multiple languages, is incorrect sentence structure... because they easily mix up what order things should be in for a given language. Nope... in reality, I think the LESS you know of a given language when attempting to learn additional ones, the better chance you have of learning the 2nd (or more) language. And for that reason, I feel foreign languages should be started at the grade school level, and NOT wait until high school (yes, I think learning multiple languages is very important... and should be required schooling, at least in the USA. With a stronger concentration on English since it is the "accepted" language of the USA... in other countries, YMMV, and the "base" language would obviously be the accepted language of the area) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DECstation hardware guide

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 8:09:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> writes: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 Colorfulfag(a)aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 7:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> writes: > > > > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone got a handful o' ram for it? > > > > > > > > > > Doc > > > > > > > several handfulls, maybe even shovelfulls... > > > > > > > > > > > > 3100's take 12 simms max for 24 M total > > > > > > So what'cha want for it? I got a lot more toys than cash.... Some > > > RS/6000 MCA stuff, some Sparc sbus doohickeys and a mouse or 3, with > > > optical pads, lotsa late-ISA/early-PCI PC stuff. I got 4Mb parity > > > SIMMs, 72-pin, out the wazoo. Or a PowerBook 145B, sans battery, but > > > with charger brick. Or.... > > > > > > Doc > > > > I would love to get some ram for these as well.. I happen to have a > > *few* spare 3100'ds with no ram in them. > > > > -Linc. > > > > > > > How many do you need? > > shipping should be minimal > > Peter Wallace 12, 24, how many do you have / what's the cost / what are you willing to part with :-)

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Language and English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] > Thank you very much. So it seams there is a 'school' forcing this in > the US .... and I always wondered why some people add two spaces after > a period. There's even a very old 'text beautyfier' for DOS which > inserted this (for my eyes) stupid spaces. Well, I guess CC is no > only the hardwarae :=) I think that it's supposed to help the eye differentiate between space between words and space between sentences. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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DECstation hardware guide

by Colorfulfag＠aol.com

In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 7:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> writes: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > > Anyone got a handful o' ram for it? > > > > > > Doc > > > several handfulls, maybe even shovelfulls... > > > > > > 3100's take 12 simms max for 24 M total > > So what'cha want for it? I got a lot more toys than cash.... Some > RS/6000 MCA stuff, some Sparc sbus doohickeys and a mouse or 3, with > optical pads, lotsa late-ISA/early-PCI PC stuff. I got 4Mb parity > SIMMs, 72-pin, out the wazoo. Or a PowerBook 145B, sans battery, but > with charger brick. Or.... > > Doc I would love to get some ram for these as well.. I happen to have a *few* spare 3100'ds with no ram in them. -Linc.

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Last call for MFM drives, floppies and misc

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

still have some goodies left. pay shipping and maybe enough for lunch at taco bell, and it can be yours! 1.2 and 360k 5.25 floppy drives. untested though. 6 processor cards for IBM PS/2 series that use em (8590,9590,9595,etc) functional 3 ST-251 hard drives. LLF complete 2 ST-225 hard drives. LLF complete 2 seagate type 2 3.5 MFM drives. 7 conner CP1080E 1G drives with funky connector. came from SUN array. Micropolis ESDI 70m Seagate ST-125 drive. LLF complete ?? MFM drive 5 heads 985 cyl 26 sec miniscribe 3650 MFM drive IBM 70M ESDI IBM XT 10 meg FH 5.25 drive Small IDE drives 80-120m come and get it. Getting married, so have to simplify some, but not a lot! -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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