Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
> I skipped over this thread because I saw Richard's name all over it, but
> had I know this is what the argument was about, I could have pointed to
> maybe 3 or 4 S-100 machines circa the late 1970's in my collection that
> use BNC for video.
Yeah. If only folks would keep the subject line in sync with what
they're arguing about, scorefiles would work a whole lot better.
I'm certain I've seen Processor Technology SOLs with SO-259
connectors. I think I've seen at least one with a BNC connector (and
recall being surprised to find that it wasn't an adapter), but even if
I have I'm not sure what this proves, SOLs and other '70s micros being
purchasable as kits, and I'm sure at least some of the pre-assembled
ones were owned by people of soldering skill who would change the
connector if it suited them to do so.
-Frank McConnell
Hi
I am happy to announce my new baby: thanks to Jon Auringer of
Astronautics and Merle Pierce of RICM, I have now a VAX 11/780
in my garage. Nice cabinet, with UNIBUS extension and a TE16
drive (looks nice but will I ever sacrifice a 25A circuit just
for it?).
Inside the VAX are KA780, UBA, MS780 (8 MB) and 2 MBAs. In the
UNIBUS cabinet are two DZ-11, an INTERLAN BD-NI 1010, an
M8716 (general purpose parallel), and a "CBV inc" (?)
"MODEL-215 DMA Option" (two 4-wide boards with additional
cable between them, to a 3-row D connector that looks a
bit like my KLESI connector ... any idea what that might be?).
More UNIBUS stuff: Datasystems LP 11/32 (parallel printer)
a few grants (I need to learn UNIBUSology to understand how
this can work.) I have spare DZ-11, just in case someone is
in need.
The last board is a 919 UNIBUS connector with long cable
connecting into another drawer. That one is a backplane of
unknown nature. It has one card to play the UNIBUS adapter,
then a whole bunch of MEGATEK cards all together making up
a frame-buffer and digitizer assembly that was used for
a SCICARDS circuit layout system. Any shred of information
about this would be appreciated. I don't think its UNIBUS or
QBUS (no grants between the two clusters of cards.)
Now, since I want to use this VAX to upgrade to an 11/785,
I still need a KA785 CPU backplane. The worst beaten-up
machine that you see in your neighbor's dumpster will do
for screwing those pieces off. Unfortunately they are
all too often forgotten.
But I will first go with the 11/780 setup to gain the
feeling for this class of machine.
I have some documentation and probably a full set of
diagnostics floppies. If anyone needs, I'll be happy to
help out ... of course I first need to get the machine
going to read the floppies.
I am looking for info on the CI installation. I have the
CI boards but no clue about cab-kit stuff. Was hoping
to use parts of the CIBCA cab kit stuff to build one.
I am also looking for a source of FP780 boards, mine had
no floating poing option installed. I have the additional
PSU, but no cabling for the PSU to the backplane and of
course no FP780 cards. (I have FP785 cards, but they
don't mix.)
Finally I'm contemplating to build a dual processor machine
if I can gather the parts for it. All I need is a CPU
extension cabinet, a second KA780 or 785 CPU set and bits
and pieces from other VAX 11/78x backplanes (SBI cabling,
mounting stuff etc.) Apparently the Purdue guys have
done that very successfully in 1981, and the only reason
this wasn't an SMP setup appears to be that 4.1 BSD
didn't do SMP. I would imagine that one could hack
NetBSD to run a dual 11/78x. (That's not an 11/782 or /787,
DEC did that differently.) So, if you have a spare
extension cabinet, backplane, CPU boards, PSUs, card cage,
card rails, cables, even the meanest nag, let me know.
I am slowly switching from an ackquisition frenzie to
maintenance mode. I seem to have most of what I can
reasonably want and fit into my house. Now it's time to
get it all going well. If I have things running by
Summer, I'm thinking of throwing a VAX-Party. But it
may take me until next year.
I have given my 6000-520 and second SA600 and second
HSC90 to Merle from RICM. I still have a TU81PLUS and
a Dataproducts printer to give away. Probably
also two terminals (VT 420 or so).
regards,
-Gunther
--
Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org
Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
! From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
!
!
! On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote:
!
! > Doc ---
! > Well, if I have my way, my Gateway Handbook will be a
! > smaller Unix box... 10" x 6" x 1.5" ;-)
! > And it just squeaks by 10 years old too ( I think, maybe 9...)
!
! Funny you should mention that. I'm supposed to pick up a Handbook
! this weekend, to see about installing Linux without removing
! the drive....
I wonder, what kind/size drive is in there? Can it be upgraded?
! I'd *really* like to have a Handbook of my own. Classic or not,
! they're Way Too Cool (tm). Hopefully, by the time I'm done
! with John's, I'll be affluent again.
It is a Neat Thing, isn' tit? Let me know if I can be of help. I have the
null modem cable, floppy drive, 2 power supplies...
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
! -----Original Message-----
! From: Gareth Knight [mailto:gknight@emugaming.com]
!
! Simon wrote:
! > Please say me, how it works! I want to convert my VHS into
! > mpg-Files, but it
! > doesn't work, only the Convertion of mpg to VHS works.
!
! For low-end conversion from VHS to MPG you can use a cheap TV
! card, such as
! those made by Pinaccle or Hauppage. This will allow you to
! view the analog
! signal of your video and record it as an AVI or MPG. I recommend
! http://www.tv-cards.com/ for more information
! --
! Gareth Knight
You know, I should pick up one of those, so I can have a display for
my C128 (and Atari800) on my Win98 box. Finally put it to something
useful...
Seriously, is anyone else doing that?
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
-----Original Message-----
From: Darthsimon(a)aol.com [mailto:Darthsimon@aol.com]
> VHS to mpg, how does it work????
By converting the analog signal of the VHS recorder to a
digital interleaved audio/video signal, and applying one of
the MPEG compression algorithms. :)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I've done it with an Atari 2600. Works great (this was with a Gateway
OEM Bt848 card.)
--Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:41 PM
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
Subject: TV tuner cards... [was: RE: hey"!]
! -----Original Message-----
! From: Gareth Knight [mailto:gknight@emugaming.com]
!
! Simon wrote:
! > Please say me, how it works! I want to convert my VHS into
! > mpg-Files, but it
! > doesn't work, only the Convertion of mpg to VHS works.
!
! For low-end conversion from VHS to MPG you can use a cheap TV
! card, such as
! those made by Pinaccle or Hauppage. This will allow you to
! view the analog
! signal of your video and record it as an AVI or MPG. I recommend !
http://www.tv-cards.com/ for more information ! -- ! Gareth Knight
You know, I should pick up one of those, so I can have a display
for my C128 (and Atari800) on my Win98 box. Finally put it to something
useful...
Seriously, is anyone else doing that?
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
Please say me, how it works! I want to convert my VHS into mpg-Files, but it
doesn't work, only the Convertion of mpg to VHS works.
Thank you for your answer,
Roman
(please not so hard english because I'm from germany....)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu]
> running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced
> Server host. There
> are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs
> might outnumber
> them.
> Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem odd to
> anyone we're now
> full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a
> "mainframe," now
Since when is a "Win2k Advanced Server host" a mainframe? :)
That aside, though, no, it doesn't seem odd at all. It's
certainly The Right Thing To Do, WRT administrative overhead,
and maintenance/repair cost.
Strange, possibly that corporate america is starting to do
the right thing. That's never happened before, to my knowledge.
> Compared to the WinTerms, my old Wyse terminal looks so nice.
Especially when you consider that it won't run windows. :)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gunther Schadow [mailto:gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org]
> I am happy to announce my new baby: thanks to Jon Auringer of
> Astronautics and Merle Pierce of RICM, I have now a VAX 11/780
> in my garage. Nice cabinet, with UNIBUS extension and a TE16
> drive (looks nice but will I ever sacrifice a 25A circuit just
> for it?).
Congratulations. Remember to put the stabilizers down before you open the doors ;)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> White isn't a standard ground wire color. Maybe someone
> changed something
> in your machine at some point? Green is a standard ground
> wire color in
> the US, while Green with a yellow stripe meets international
> standards.
> I've seen blue/brown/white used for 240V ungrounded
> twist-lock connectors
> before, but I'm certain these machines require 120V at 20A.
Again, that's just from memory, and I could be way off...
> I'm going to attempt to uncover one of my machines today and snap some
> pics for you.
Great. Thanks.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu]
> Well, if I have my way, my Gateway Handbook will be a
> smaller Unix
> box... 10" x 6" x 1.5" ;-)
> And it just squeaks by 10 years old too ( I think, maybe 9...)
I have been thinking about putting Minix on my Poqet PC, which would
probably take the record. ;) I need a 2M SRAM card or two, though.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> I know it's not what you want to hear, but they really were
> disposable.
> Expensive, but disposable. I think people might have swapped switches
> if they were physically broken (keystems snapping off or the leaves in
> the switches getting bent from vigorous keytop insertion),
> but I do not
> have a single memory of anyone attempting electronic repair
> 20 years ago.
Not what I was hoping to hear, you're right, but it's what I was expecting.
Thanks again.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
>way cool!! 780, wow thats a cool piece of hardware!
Indeed!
>i have the installation manuals for the CI780. I can mail them to you.
>Maybe when youre done if you send them on to whoever has been scanning
>stuff in and putting it online, that would be cool..
There's a bunch of manuals up already at:
http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm
I've already let them have a few more ... the install
manual (or at least one version of it is in
on its way there now IIRC). I'll dig out the
numbers for 780 stuff in that pending batch -
save you scanning something that's already been
done!
Antonio
arcarlini(a)iee.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net]
> While passwords may be necessary in a business environment,
> they are a real pain to home-based single users or following owners.
They provide a little extra privacy from prying eyes. Of course, there
is no password that can't be circumvented somehow, given access to the
console, or, in a worst case, the system itself.
> I mean, really, I'm in the middle of nowhere in northern Manitoba,
> in a house where I live alone with a protective dog, and only hook up
> to my ISP when I want to access it. Do I need this ? But even my
You could turn it off. :)
> NEXT demands a password and I had to do an extensive search to find
> out how to re-do the original one. But of course the holy grail of
> computer makers is that BIG contract.
Any unix I've ever met will let you blank the password out... it will
still ask for it, but you can just hit return.
> complicate my life. I thought that that's one of the things
> that computers
> were for. To uncomplicate tasks and processes. On my computers
Certainly they make higher math and weather modeling much easier. ;)
> I DON"T NEED NO STEENKING PASSWORDS.
> Windblows is the least of the transgressors. The UNIX type
> are the worst
> since they grew up in a security-conscious business environment.
Lots of unixes even have an "auto-login" feature.
> Right now after going thru a difficult Linux Red-Hat install
> I can't find the
> slip I wrote the password it insists upon, and must do a
> fresh install.
Actually you may be able to boot in single user mode without a
password. Try it.
> Fuck it, I'll reformat and look at another OS.
> I believe that OS's or programs that don't provide
> non-password access
> should be boycotted.
Well, again, just because it asks for a password, doesn't mean you've
got to use one...
> Do these guys really think that passwords can protect their data if
> they don't have physical access protection ? We all know that even
> supposedly deleted files can be ressurected. This is SUIT mentality
> and they live in an imaginary world that they proclaim is the BOTTOM
> LINE, realistic view of things. As MS has learned to it's
> chagrin every
> man-made "security" feature can be end-run by some bright young
> hacker.
Um, well, certainly any MS security feature can be circumvented by a
blindfolded, dyslexic baboon. :)
You are also right that there is a way around any security control,
given physical access to the system. That really isn't the point of
software security, though.
I do realize that you are likely to be ranting due to frustration, but
if nothing else, try blanking out some of your passwords and
save yourself some of that trouble. :)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Thanks--I have heard from 3 people in the general vicinity. The one who replied
first will also probably get my old Rainbow, just "thrown in."
I'm delighted with how "common" 9-track drives (and, presumably, ones connected
to UNIX machine) seem to be. I haven't seen one in years, although I haven't
hung out in computer rooms the way I used to, either....
--pb
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com [mailto:pete@dunnington.u-net.com]
> "4", etc. If
> only the keyboard test fails, the terminal should go online
> in receive-only
> mode (ie it's useful as a display).
It does that... :) Would like to type things, though.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net]
> TRS80s. Mini and
> micro people would be all over each other. And I would be in
I don't imagine that would be the case. I think most people on
the list are diverse enough to appreciate both.
> a minus rating
> because of my non-industry ignorance. Then how would I get
> help in simple
> repair tasks for my collection ?
... and everyone's ignorant of some things. Life would be
boring if you had nothing left to learn.
On the other hand, you're right that it's probably a bad idea --
just not for those reasons ;)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org]
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure your RT counts on at least the point of having a
> > proper system monitor, though. :) Honestly, I don't have many
> > machines with wheels, myself.... I have two now, and a few that
> > _should_ have wheels, but don't, which may also count... Gotta get
> > one of those nice BA-123s for one of my MicroVAXen.
> Would that be with or without the naked woman option?
Well -- a fiancee could be... um... converted -- into a "naked woman
option..." She has her own VAX even, but it's a VAXStation 2000, which
doesn't have any wheels.
Right now, though, there are no nude women on my VAXen.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
An update on that HP system.
It seems the pinout I had for the console cable is completely
off. :) (Great!)
I did manage to find the send and receive pins and get those
plugged in, so I have a console connection.
Anyway, the point of this is -- nobody use that last pinout.
I got an offer before from somebody who has one of these, and
was willing to check how the cable works. I will try to obtain
a complete, corrected pinout. ;)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
On January 28, Bruce Lane wrote:
> Ok, I admit it's a shameless ad. I'm sending it here because I know some of you are into the older HP calculators.
>
> I've put the magnetic card reader (Can it write as well?) for an HP-41C up on Ebay. Link here if you're interested.
Hey...On your other auction, the one for the transmission test
set...In the leftmost rack in the background, at the top...Would that
happen to be a TrueTime GPS, WWVB, or GOES time standard? I think I
recognize the color and the rack handle. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
>
> > IBM docs really are very good and complete - probably more so than
> > anyone else's. They are a pain in the neck to read, unless you can
> > speak the language.
Speaking of which...
I have a stack of /36 docs that I'd like to part with. I have not looked
through all the DOCs but believe the list is accurate. According to the list
on the box(s), these are the DOCS:
The system/36 Library
Using the Async Comm support
RPG II messages
Source Entry Utility guide
Utilities messages
Operating your system 5360, 5362
Communications and System Management Guide
System 36 Distributed Data management guide
Sort Guide
Data File utility Guide
Using system/36 Communications
Interactive Communications Feature: guide and Examples
System messages
Programming with RPG II
Interactive Communications Feature: Reference
System /34 to System /36 migration aid
Creating Displays: Screen Design aid and system Support program
Concepts and Programmers Guide
System /36 - system reference
Setting up your computer: 5360
Installing you new features: 5362
Performing first configuration: 5360
Operating your computer
System porblem determination 5362
Changing system configuration
Guide to Publications
Converting your /34 to /36
Procedures and Commands Summary.
Some of the DOCs are showing wear while others are in excellent condition.
Overall, I rate their condition as very good.
I'd guess the total weight of the DOCs is around 45 lbs.
Because of my curent financial situation, I cannot give them away. However,
I will consider REASONABLE offers on this library.
If anyone is interested, send me a message offline and we'll discuss.
See ya,
SteveRob
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At 05:53 AM 1/28/02 -0800, Ethan wrote:
> I'm restoring some pre-TTL DEC stuff (R and W series logic) and I need
> a handful of front panel bulbs. Unlike the later bulbs with a plastic
> base and strong wires to solder to the PCB or to plug into socket pins,
> these are like a kernel of corn, with two fine wires coming out of the
> glass envelope at a slight angle with no supports of any kind.
Sounds like a standard T1_1/2 (about 3/16" diameter) or T1_3/4 (about 1/4"
diameter) wire-ended bulb. There are still a few companies that make them.
> If DEC was underfeeding these bulbs to extend their life, I would expect
> that the bulb should be rated at 14V-16V. I measured slightly over 12VDC
> in circuit, but well within a 5% tolerance.
The Farnell catalogue lists a few that are 14V. The correct bulbs for my
RL02 drives are 14V, fed from a 12V supply, as you say.
> I have checked the online manuals I could find, but no mention is made
> of the nature of the bulbs for 1966/1967-era DEC equipment. Any ideas?
Take a look at Farnell's online catalogue, at
http://uk1.farnell.com/Search/search4-frame.jhtml?_DARGS=%2Fcommon%2Fprodse…
and search for part number 328900. That should get a page with a small
picture; click on the image to get a table showing the charcteristics of
that family and a bigger picture
(http://uk1.farnell.com/Search/level_5.jhtml?PRODID=37469&SKUID=35454).
Part number 3159346 will show you a different make (but only 12V). At
least you'll be able to see if that's the right shape/size and perhaps help
find a US manufacturer or supplier if you don't want to order from the UK.
BTW, if you try part number 316216 you'll find something like the bi-pin
ones for your PDP-8 panel.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I got a uPDP-11 today, but the white front cover and the brown
front panel bezel (the thing that says micro pdp-11), and the
foot are all broken...
Anybody got spares? Name your price...
Clint
On January 29, Gunther Schadow wrote:
> I am happy to announce my new baby: thanks to Jon Auringer of
> Astronautics and Merle Pierce of RICM, I have now a VAX 11/780
> in my garage. Nice cabinet, with UNIBUS extension and a TE16
> drive (looks nice but will I ever sacrifice a 25A circuit just
> for it?).
Oh My. I *really* like TE16 drives. They'll run on much less than
a 25A circuit, though...Years ago, I ran a TE16 and a PDP11/34a with
two RL01s on a 15A circuit. It was tight, but it ran.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
On January 28, Tothwolf wrote:
> > Watch it - IBM still sells stuff like this, and might get angry.
> > Remember, the S/370 architecture is still very much in use today.
>
> Really? These seem to be ancient, and seem to have been well taken care
> of. I'll check them later and see what their dates were. I can't imagine
> them still being in print :)
Their current mainframe architecture is based on, and largely
compatible with, the S/370 architecture. And there are a LOT of very
old actual S/370s still in use.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
Hi all
While cleaning up and tossing stuff I found a Micron Exceed video card for
MAC Se/30.
This was gonna go into garbage...but I looked it up and saw that it could be
considered rare (...) and perhaps I should not thrash it and get it to
someone who can appreciate it.
I am not a big ebay-er seller or buyer, so I am offering it here. Trade
offers, no $. I saw these going for $60 to $500 depending on model (!!???)
I am looking for SGI and SUN equip...
Its model no 306-48. Searching www says its for 640 x 480 external VGA on a
Se/30 also works on a IIsi (?).
I have the card only, not the cable or connector for the monitor but the
connector is a 6 X 2 pin common IDC connector and it would be easy to make a
cable...
Card is untested but it looks fine...I can send you a pic...I remember
sticking it a Se30 way back and computer worked but did not test card video
output...
Contact me by email.
Claude
http://computer_collector.tripod.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org]
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote:
> > Hell, *everything* I do is fast -- Winders & Linux!
> [[ahem... I have a
> > dual-processor Athlon MP 1600+ -- dual SCSI, dual LAN,
> etc... so I realize
> > this isn't a fair fight... ;-) ]]
> You're not gonna impress anyone on this list with that candy-pants
> quiche-eating system. You can start to get our attention by get a
> computer that weighs more than you. Or barring that, we'll respect
> you more if your system doesn't have floating point instructions,
> or an integer divide, or even an integer multiply.
Hear Hear. Though, I may listen when Athlons have casters and a respectable console firmware with "deposit" and "examine" commands, at least. Bonus points if you can't get them to run windows should your life depend on it.
Regards,
Chris
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"I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior
to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)
On January 28, Doc wrote:
> > > > > Yup, that's it! Anyone claimed it yet? I'd like it for my RT.
> > > > > I think, therefore I am dangerous
> >
> > > > Well, I fired off an email asking for it Saturday, and haven't heard
> > > > back. So, I hope *I* got first dibs....
> >
> > > Me too. We could all meet somewhere and fight for it. :)
> >
> > Can I put money on the fight so I can buy it from the winner?
>
> So that's 4 of us that have functional RT's but no meese, right? I
> have to assume you guys got keyboards, since the docs say the beast
> won't boot to a serial terminal.
Yup, I have a keyboard.
> The question, since I'm pretty ignorant of X11-pre-R6, is if I install
> the X11 & AIXWindows packages, will the RT speak XDMCP to a Linux or
> NetBSD X-terminal? Or heck, even my X-Station 150?
> Inquiring minds gotta know. I'm not loadin all that krap without
> either a mouse or remote access to the AIXWindows desktop. I'm
> *dreaming* of 5.25" floppies.
I'd be surprised if it didn't work. XDMCP has been around a
while...I don't remember what release of X it made its debut in, but I
was running XDMCP with X-terminals (Sun3/50s and XKernel) nearly ten
years ago...RTs weren't nearly so old then. I'll be at least some
useful X can be built on an RT, depending on the OS. Probably X11R4.
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
> I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma Linda VA Hospital today
> and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms (by Wyse, no less),
> running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced Server host. There
> are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs might outnumber
> them.
On a slightly related note, has anyone seen a VNC Terminal yet? I got an
add for them a while back. While they're basically the same thing as a
WinTerm, they strike me as being more usable as VNC is better supported than
WinFrame.
> Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem odd to anyone we're now
> full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a "mainframe," now
> that corporate America has gotten off its fat client kick?
Where I work PC's are basically used as X-Terminals that can run office
apps if needed. If I understand this .NET thing (doubtful), it sounds to me
like they're heading even closer to a Mainframe type style of computing.
Zane
> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
> > 1st question -- found some info in the 2nd manual under "programming
data"
> > (I was looking for *hardware" data!):
>
> Well, I'd call it programming data. Hardware data would be the
> schematics, how the signals are used, and so on...
Okay, I'll grant you that bit of nomenclature ;>)
I also managed to learn (God bless the Google Usenet archives!): lowest
number (0E8 and 0EC) are the data ports, and the control ports are (data
port + 1).
> > 2661 Serial A (Printer Port) 0E8-0EB
> > 2661 Serial B (Modem Port) 0EC-0EF
> > Hey -- I'll bet Tony knows!
>
> Well, not off the top of my head I don't. But I do have a 2661
datasheet...
Why am I not surprised?
> OK, there are 4 8 bit locations in the chip. That's why it takes up 4 I/O
> addresses. I'll give the states of the pins on the chip to access all the
> internal registers, and you'll have to figure out how to use them.
> Conventionally, the A0 pin on the chip is connected to the lowest address
> line in the machine, and so on, but that's not definite. So you need to
> find schematics, and so on.
Got 'em!
>
> Anyway, the states are :
[snip]
> I am going to assume you're not going to be attempting to use synchronous
> modes
Correct assumption, it's asynch. You may recall that this project began
after I was (unsuccessfully) attacked by virii four times during December.
I want to use the Z-100 to send, retrieve, and read my email. Since my ISP
doesn't provide shell accounts, I have to write code to deal with PPP and
TCP/IP (also POP3 and SMTP, but those are cake), and all of this (including
the OS) has to fit in 192Kb RAM.
> That should get you started!
>
> -tony
Yes, it *will* get me started -- thanks a million!
Glen
0/0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > Hear Hear. Though, I may listen when Athlons have casters and a
> > respectable console firmware with "deposit" and "examine" commands,
> > at least. Bonus points if you can't get them to run windows should
> > your life depend on it.
> Does it count if you can never remember your W2k password?
> Seems like
> I have to reinstall every time i boot to Windows. Wait.
> *Everybody* has
> to do that.
Heh -- No, but maybe you should get extra points for pointing out the
obvious, there ;)
I'm pretty sure your RT counts on at least the point of having a proper
system monitor, though. :) Honestly, I don't have many machines with
wheels, myself.... I have two now, and a few that _should_ have wheels,
but don't, which may also count... Gotta get one of those nice BA-123s
for one of my MicroVAXen.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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On Jan 28, 13:28, Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I picked up a VFX1 virtual reality headset from ebay at a killer price.
> Now the problem with the VFX1 is that the interface card is limited to
> only 640x480x256 colors, whereas the VFX1 helmet can run in 16bit or
> truecolor. To get stereoscopic mode, the VFX1 uses interlaced video to
> send
> even lines to one LCD and odd lines to the other LCD. What would it
> take to
> tap the VGA output and somehow determine which lines are even and which
> lines
> are odd and feed it to the helment directly? This is similar to the way
> a TV works.
This is very similar to the way LCD shutter glasses like CrystalEyes work.
Try a web search for that?
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On Jan 28, 16:27, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > From: Carlini, Antonio [mailto:Antonio.Carlini@riverstonenet.com]
>
> > That really is VT101 and not a typo (unless they
> > messed up in the manual) so it looks like
> > the VT131 is a modified VT100 series terminal.
>
> Indeed, I've been lead to believe that this was the case.
> I've been assuming that is correct for now.
It is. The VT131 has additional firmware.
In the meantime, I've found my VT100 manual. A flashing "4" means keyboard
faulty or nort present. For completeness, "2" means a memory fault, and
"8" means a data error. "6" is the logical OR of "2" and "4", etc. If
only the keyboard test fails, the terminal should go online in receive-only
mode (ie it's useful as a display).
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On Jan 28, 17:16, Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote:
> Pete Turnbull wrote:
>
> >
> > This is very similar to the way LCD shutter glasses like CrystalEyes
work.
> > Try a web search for that?
> >
>
> LCD shutter glasses (which I also have), use page flipping to show the
left
> image
> on the full screen then the right image on the full screen. The LCD
glasses
> "shutters"
> between the two images so that the left eye sees the left image and the
right
> eye sees
> nothing (a shutter is put on the other eye) and it flips back and forth
> (sync'ed by the monitor).
> Interlaced works differently. The right image is on the even lines and
the
> left image is on the odd
> lines, so the resolution of the image is cut in half....
That's exactly how one of the modes on SGIs with CrystalEyes shutter
glasses works. Even lines are on one frame and odd lines on the next, if
the image is interlaced. The shutter glasses use the vsync pulses to
switch sides between frames. That's why I suggested looking for
information about CrystalEyes. The difference is simply that in the
shutter types, you shut out one eye on odd frames and shut out the other on
even frames, while on LCD displays you display one frame (eg, the odd
frame) on the left and the next frame (even) on the right. Either way,
interlaced or not, it's alternate frames to alternate eyes.
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It's working guys. Thanks a lot for all of your help.
In the interest of public information:
The BNC connectors do, indeed, carry composite video.
These (at least the model I have) contain a "kill switch" in the little add-on that's bolted to the back of the machine. In order to get power to the internal power supply, you must have the switch depressed -- or the "cover lock" bolt in the locked position.
Thanks again guys.
Err -- anybody know a good way to run some diagnostics on the machine? :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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Hi everybody,
In preparation for my eventual booting of the IRIS Power Series
machine, I pulled the back off yesterday and inspected the power
supply, etc.
It appears that somebody disconnected several plugs and some
screw-posts when they pulled the unit out of service (!)...
Anyway, to make a long story short, I had to make several
assumptions in order to get the thing back together. Here they
are, and can anyone confirm or deny them?
The square-ish plugs should all be plugged in to the plug they
match. (I thought this one was pretty safe.)
The three loose post-screws go to the three wires that were just
floating around loose (coming directly (more or less) out of the
twist-lok plug. These screws are labeled N~, L~, and <earth
symbol>
The Earth pin on the twist-lok plug is the longer one. (made sense
to me, but I can't find anything to confirm it...)
The L~ probably stands "Live" or something like that (?)
The N~ probably means "Negative"
The positive lead on the twist-lok plug is the one that has the
breaker on it.
Given that logic:
The L~, being positive, should be attached to the wire with the
breaker in it.
The wire connected to the long pin on the plug should be connected
to the <earth symbol> connector.
The other wire should be connected to the only loose-screw left.
There is further evidence in the way the wires were bent, which
suggests that this is all correct.
Has anyone see these things before, and can possibly confirm this?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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In a message dated 1/26/2002 7:28:44 PM Central Standard Time,
Innfogra(a)aol.com writes:
> Someone mentioned the RT mouse has two round buttons. I have had this mouse
> in my collection and have been wondering what it was for.
>
> Http://members.aol.com/innfogra/IBMMS1.JPG
>
>
Yup, that's it! Anyone claimed it yet? I'd like it for my RT.
I think, therefore I am dangerous
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On January 28, Tony Duell wrote:
> I am going to assume that the 'scope addresses the printer (it doesn't
> require the printer to be set to Listen Always mode) and that it doesn't
> do anything too exotic (actually, I don't think the Thinkjet does
> anything that strange). OK....
>
> Set the DIP switch on the interface so that the leftmost switch is down
> (this sets it to 'translator' mode) and set a suitable HPIB address on
> the other switches (there's a table on the bottom of the 82169 if you get
> confused :-). Connect the Thinkjet to the 82169 with a couple of HPIL
> cables. Connect the HPIB cable to the other side of the 82169. Connect
> power to everything.
>
> Now configure the scope to expect a printer at an address 1 more than you
> set on the DIP switches (the _interface's_ address is set by the DIP
> switches -- that is to say that's the address you send commands to to
> configure the 82169. The HPIL peripherals are assigned subsequent addresses).
>
> Try printing something. If you're lucky it'll work...
I gave it a shot...I can't find any way to tell the scope what address
to use for the printer. When I tell it to print, it says "<HP-IB> No
listeners - Transmission Aborted". I assume this means it can't
directly address an arbitrary HPIB device, only something set to
"listen only"? This is the only time I've used HPIB and had things
not "just work". :)
I can set the scope to talk only, listen only, or talk/listen. In
talk/listen mode it allows me to set its HPIB address, but not in the
other modes.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlini, Antonio [mailto:Antonio.Carlini@riverstonenet.com]
> That really is VT101 and not a typo (unless they
> messed up in the manual) so it looks like
> the VT131 is a modified VT100 series terminal.
Indeed, I've been lead to believe that this was the case.
I've been assuming that is correct for now.
> I've missed the rest of the thread ... is there
> a part number on the keyboard?
No identifying marks whatsoever, that I can see. :/
> There is a pocket service guide for the VT100 at:
Thanks for the links. I'll see what they can tell me.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>Yep. :) That's what I thought, anyway... So I'm assuming for now
the
>keyboard is bad, or incompatible. Perhaps I could modify it either
way,
>given the schematics for the keyboard...
If it helps, the VT131 manual lists the following for
the print set:
MP-01066 VT101 Family Field Maintenance Print Set
That really is VT101 and not a typo (unless they
messed up in the manual) so it looks like
the VT131 is a modified VT100 series terminal.
I've missed the rest of the thread ... is there
a part number on the keyboard?
There is a pocket service guide for the VT100 at:
http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm
(I've since found an original, so I can probably do
a better scan at some stage).
There are also two directories worth of
VT100 stuff over at:
http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/
Antonio
arcarlini(a)iee.org
RE: ROM1 vs ROM3.
Your best bet is ask in the apple // newsgroup where you could get a correct
answer very quickly. FAQs are posted there regularly as well.
I think, therefore I am dangerous
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com [mailto:pete@dunnington.u-net.com]
> > The reason I'm asking about the brand is that there was another
> > terminal at the junk yard, completely trashed, which looked like
> > a VT100, but had a completely different branding. I forget the
> > brand right off, but I'm afraid I may have picked up the keyboard
> > for the dead terminal, and that it may not be compatible at all.
> Maybe a Plessey terminal? I had two which looked just like a
> VT100 from
> the outside, but had different (Plessey-made) logic inside, and
> incompatible keyboards.
Possibly -- I don't remember the branding right off. The problem, though, is that this is the only vt100-looking keyboard they have. :/ So if it's not the right one, (my current assumption until I figure out something else), then I'm at a loss as to where to find one.
> I vaguely remember something like a flashing "4" in the top
> corner of my
> VT131 if the keyboard wasn't connected. Maybe not exactly that, but
> something of the sort.
Mine does that too -- the same flashing 4 I get when the keyboard _is_ plugged in. :)
Regards,
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> I've got three deskside single tower machines myself. If you
> can wait a
> few days, I'll pull the plates off of one and take a few digital pics.
Please do. I certainly won't be plugging it in that soon at any rate.
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com [mailto:pete@dunnington.u-net.com]
> Yes. The reasoning is that the earth connection should
> always be the first
> one made and the last one broken in normal connection/disconnection.
My assumption too. It seemed the sensible thing.
> Yes. The live wire is always the one with the switch,
> breaker and/or fuse,
> unless it's a two-pole breaker (one pole for live, one for neutral) of
> course.
Only one of the three prongs is ever broken, so it's likely safe to assume that it's the positive one.
Thanks. I feel somewhat better about it. :)
Chris
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On Jan 28, 10:27, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
> I was under the impression that casters were only for very lightweight
> stuff that was intended to be movable by one person without a forklift,
or
> even a dolly.
York had a large Sequent machine on castors. It took eight people to move
it. Nine, actually. Eight to push, and one to collect up broken castors.
Leeds had an Ahmdahl which had all the cabinets on castors. I have some of
the castors (the only souvenir they let me keep), and they're rated for
250kg each. They're rather bigger than the ones on the Sequent :-)
Our present tape backup system, which weighs the best part of a ton, is on
four castors.
Actually, lots of large machines, old and new, are on castors, but they
tend to have jackscrews as well.
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