Another weekend project of mine has been working on a VT131
terminal. The terminal seems to work fine when receiving data.
The terminal always powers up with a "4" in the corner
(keyboard error?). Typing characters on the keyboard will give
no response from either the terminal, or the system to which
it's connected. The lights flash (all at once), and the speaker
beeps when power is applied to the terminal. No lights are ever
activated afterwards, though.
Having taken apart the keyboard, it does have an empty socket for
a DIP. Anyone know what this is?
Is it possible that this is a "lookalike" keyboard? Did DEC make
different models for different VT100 terminals -- were they
compatible? If this is an authentic DEC keyboard, will it be
marked as such somewhere? If so, how?
The key layout _looks_ like VT100, but...
The reason I'm asking about the brand is that there was another
terminal at the junk yard, completely trashed, which looked like
a VT100, but had a completely different branding. I forget the
brand right off, but I'm afraid I may have picked up the keyboard
for the dead terminal, and that it may not be compatible at all.
Failing a way to positively identify the keyboard, are there any
common modes of failure along these lines?
Also, I'm guessing at this point that the terminal is in good shape.
Does anyone know where to get a keyboard?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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> ----------
> From: Rick Bensene
>
> Quite off-topic, but probably of interest --
>
> For small Unix machines, how about the wristwatch that runs Linux and
> uses X11 for the display, developed at IBM?
>
> The original prototype used a small backlit LCD display, but the latest
> version uses an Organic LED (OLED) display that is absolutely stunning!
>
> The machine runs with an ARM 7 CPU (Cirrus Logic EP7211), 8 Megs of
> flash memory and 8 Megs of DRAM. The OLED display is 640x480. It has a
> built-in Bluetooth transceiver, Lithium Polymer rechargeable battery, a
> combination of touch screen and a jog dial for user interface, infra-red
> interface. The watch 'program' is 'xclock'!
>
> There's a great article (with lots of pix) about the development in the
> latest edition of IEEE's "Computer" journal (January 2002).
>
> Regards,
> Rick Bensene
> The Old Calculator Web Museum
> http://www.geocities.com/oldcalculators
>
>
>
>
Sounds pretty neat. Do you know of a link for this story, or was it on
paper?
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Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001
Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
Any ideas from you Apple experts how I tell CP/M software
to use an 80 column card? Display is 40 col from motherboard,
all I get from 80 col card is a blinking cursor.
No switches or id on 80 col card; it has 3 EPROM sockets,
but only ROM2 & ROM3 are present. No reason why ROM1 should
have been removed, so I'm hoping it was an option.
Both video outputs and the built-in RF out all use RCA
connectors, BTW :)
And in reply to the question about SO239 (AKA UHF or 83 Series)
connectors for video, the commercial (as opposed to homebrew)
video out adapter on my PET uses one; other than that, in my
experience the mass-produced systems used either RCA or
proprietary connectors, and S100 & similar multi-card chassis
used BNCs when they had internal video.
mike
> ----------
> From: Matt London
>
> Hi,
> I've been playing...
>
> It turns out the box seems much happier if the only devices on SCSI-A
> are the RX23 and the RZ23 - no CORRPTN messages so far with that setup.
> But that means I can't fit both the 1G VMS drive and the 1G NetBSD drive
> in the case :&/
>
>
Well, if it's anything like the VAXServer 3100, can't you plug into
SCSI-B inside the case? Maybe a new cable, or some sort of tap into the
existing cable?
No, I've never actually _seen_ a MV3100, either the guts or the
outside... :-)
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Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
A good model railroad hobby shop (or a major suppliers like
www.walthers.com) will have mould making and resin casting kits. Some of the
current casting resins should be strong enough to use as a gear. You can
make an open mould, pour the resin, then put a glass plate over the open
side to smooth the casting, or just sand it smooth when it has cured.
Another thing to try would be to make a mould from dental plaster or
Hydrocal (a harder-than normal plaster of paris, available at hobby shops),
then heat it and open cast with a low melting point metal. What I would do
here is make the mould double-deep, then file the resulting casting to the
correct thickness.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:07 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: 1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!)
<snip>
> > There seem to be several possibilites :
> >
> > 1) Make a mould and injection-mould them yourself. I think the David
> > Gingery injection moulding machine could easily do it, but the mould
> > would be very hard to make (cutting internal teeth on a mould that size)
>
> Might not produce a clean casting, either.
I bet the originals were moulded rather than machined.... Maybe then
cleaned up by machining, though, but I doubt it, actually. The original
gears are not that good quality.
<snip>
>While the offer to scan them was certainly noble, I really wouildn't expect
>anyone to actually do it. We're talking about perhaps 10,000 pages of
>documents here!
I'm not offering but ... I use a sheet-feed
scanner that can work its way through maybe
300 double-sided Legal pages in about two hours
of casual top-up-the-in-tray-on-the-way-to-coffee
usage.
So that's 10 weeks max.
Now if you had to do the pages manually
with a desktop scanner, you'd want payment
plus medical bills :-)
Antonio
Andreas Freiherr wrote:
>Even if you were using a true 1200dpi device, you would end up with less
>than 30dpi after blowing up the image 1:42 back to it's original size.
>Sure, that's not what we want.
I've seen fiche scanners available
commercially (I just did a google search
when this came up a few months ago).
All the ones I found seemed to be $10K+ ...
>Some years ago, a friend of mine managed to get a couple of frames
>printed off these fiches, but the results weren't too good: poor
>contrast was the main problem. If you'd scan these prints, the results
>would certainly be unreadable.
Back in the early 1990s, I had access to
a fiche printer - i.e. something that would
print an A4 page of whatever the fiche reader
was looking at. No automation (if you
wanted the whole fiche as a set of pages
you had to line it up yourself and hit a button
for each page).
That produced reasonable quality copy.
If I still have any around I'll try to scan
a sample page.
I have no idea how much this thing cost
but it was about the same volume as
three or maybe four 21" monitors.
Antonio
>
>Ok, your 9-track mag tape...thats a 7970E right?
I have several 7978 drives with HPIB interfaces. I do not have a 7970 (yet).
I am hoping the 7978 will be backwards compatible and work with the 1000/E
without writing custom drivers, etc...
I have not yet hooked up any HPIB devices to the 1000. Boy, I sure wish I
had a 488 interface monitor... Hmmm... I think I know where there's one at
:-)
If anyone has any experience in making HPIB devices work with the HP 1000/E,
I'd sure appreciave any pointers.
>I'll email you some code off-list. If I email you ABS files, will your
>browser mess with them??
I have not tried to download an ABS file via email yet. I had major problems
downloading ABSs from Jeffs site using both Netscape and IE. For some
reason, both those browsers could not handle the files. I thought this was
rather strange because I have downloaded programs and other binary files
without a problem.
I was able to download clean binaries using the OPERA browser. If you have a
small ABS file, send it and I'll see what happens.
Meanwhile... I have been looking at the FST file format and it seems like it
really isn't *that* difficult. I'm gonna spend a little time and see if I
can decode (unarchive) some files into a more usable format.
Looking over the file lists on the INTEREX site, there seems to be a bunch
of really good stuff there if you can decode it. It's a real chicken and egg
situation. If you already have RTE running with the FST archive utility, you
can unarchive the files including RTE and FST. If you don't already have RTE
with the FST utility, your stuck.
I am supprized someone hasn't already written a cross platform decoder for
this. Actually, they probably have... Hmm... Bet it's archived away
somewhere in... FST FORMAT!
Thanks again for the help,
SteveRob
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Hi,
I fished out my MV3100 to install openVMS on it (after someone gave me
another hard disk), so I boot it up, and get the following...
KA41-D V1.0
F_..E...D...C...B
KA41-D V1.0
F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1...
? C 0080 0000.4001
? B 0010 0010.0081
?21 CORRPTN
83 BOOT SYS
So I frowned at it, swapped the netbsd for a CD drive, unplugged RX23,
swapped the RZ23 for an IBM scsi hard disk (DPES-31080), and fired up
the openvms install - it rebooted halfway through the install process - I
lost the message it spewed out, so I tried again - same thing in a
different point. Tried again - success.
BUT, if I have the IBM drive and CD drive in, I get
F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7?..6...5...4_..3_..2_..1...
? C 0080 0000.4001
? B 0010 0010.0081
?? 7 80A0 1000.61D0
? 6 80A1 0000.4001
?06 HLT INST
PC = 00000200
?21 CORRPTN
So as you can imagine, I'm a little non-plussed :&/
I'm sure it *was* working fine 6 months ago, and it's been quite happy
running netbsd, or the (slightly broken) VMS 5.4 install on the RZ23.
Only thing I can think of is memory - any other ideas? I've got 16M in
here.
-- Matt
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While the offer to scan them was certainly noble, I really wouildn't expect
anyone to actually do it. We're talking about perhaps 10,000 pages of
documents here!
SteveRob
>From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org>
>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)
>Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:02:51 -0500 (EST)
>
> > I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply
> > off list with whatever persuasion is required to at
> > least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to
> > scan them all and make them available.
>
>While I am all for saving and scanning docs for older computers - I must
>say that this latest talk about scanning and making public relatively
>current IBM stuff is scary and dangerous. S/370(ish)s and S/36s are still
>out there, in suprising numbers. IBM has NOT given any permission for us
>to make the information public. Please, people, do not make this stuff
>public until IBM blesses it. They have been turning a blind eye in the
>classic computing world, but we would not want them to clamp down, would
>we? Lets wait a few years...anyway, S/36 and S/370 docs are fairly common.
>
>Now older IBMs - 650s, 1130s, and the like - are pretty much fair game,
>and I doubt IBM would really care. S/1s, S/3s, S/7s, S/88s, 8100s, and PC
>stuff, however, might cause problems.
>
>William Donzelli
>aw288(a)osfn.org
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Hi.
I am currently working on a NetBSD driver for the RX01/02 floppy disk
drive. (As an example for a device driver writing HOWTO.) To continue my
kernel hacking when this is finished, I am looking for docs for the
folowing cards:
M7616 KXJ11-CA J11 CPU, 512-Kbyte RAM, 64-Kbyte
PROM
This is a PDP 11 on a QBus slave card, used as universal intelligent
peripheral controller. (Wouldn't it be nice to have a PDP 11
co-processor runing some 2.xBSD in a VAX? ;-) )
M3118-YA CXA16-A 16-line Asynchronous Multiplexor
Refs: EK-CAB16-TM, EK-CAB16-UG
M3119-YA CXY08-A 8-Line Asynchronous Multiplexor
Refs: EK-CXY08-TM
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
On January 30, Jay West wrote:
> I used to have several cipher F880's. I'm 99% sure the ones I had would do
> 1600 I know, 3200 also I think, and 800 with a NRZI option board I think.
Ahh yes, I seem to remember something about 3200bpi on the F880 now
that you mention it. I think several vendors implemented that format
but I don't think it was ever standardized...or at least, not as
widely implemented as 800, 1600, and 6250bpi.
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
Steve
Subject: Re: S/370 docs (was: Re: IBM big iron.)
> have a stack of /36 docs that I'd like to part with.
Please, please, please ! I've been out here begging
for just these docs (and disks if they can be had).
I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply
off list with whatever persuasion is required to at
least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to
scan them all and make them available.
Thanks,
Colin Eby
Senior Consulant
CSC Consulting
out2sea00(a)yahoo.com
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WhooHoo!
After many days of tinkering and frustration, I finally have a HP1000/E
running BASIC. Now if I can just get it to talk to a 9-track tape drive...
Hmmm... Where did I leave that soldering iron ;-)
Many thanks to Bob Shannon for his assistance. I couldn't have done it
without his help.
SteveRob
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Rich,
I came across your newgroup message regarding the Sterling Cypher IV board.
It was dated in October 2001. Anyway, I have come across one of these boards
myself. I was wondering if you ever found the plans or instructions of any
kind. If so, I would be happy to pay for a copy.
Sincerely,
Liz Lundgren
For the Genome files: My first computer was a borrowed Cromemco Z2H
system, 16K RAM, two Shugart SA400 drives, GE Terminet 30 console. It was
eventually returned to the owner when I moved, circa 1978.
Second computer was a borrowed Kaypro II, from the rathole computer
store I worked at for six months.. it was a defective warranty return, and
I fixed it and then took it home for 'testing' Ran the usual suite of
Kaypro-bundled stuff atthe time (1983). From the same place I put
together (from various scrap machines) a Morrow MDII system; it remained
with me until my Collection got sold ..snif...snifff...
The first computer I actually paid real money for was (is) a Mac SE30,
that I bought for my music studio, running Performer version 1.9. I paid
$1988.50 for the system with the software in 1986 or 7... anyway the
machine is still a part of the studio equipment, although it now runs
vintage library and MIDI set-up programs for some of my vintage synths...
it's on it's second hard drive, and was the first machine I ever had to be
infected with a virus - the replacement HD came from CMS, and a
disgruntled employee in the QC dept was squirting nVir onto random HDs as
he tested them... it would grab the Mac speaker and say 'Don't Panic..."
at odd intervals.
This list doesn't really get much Spam, even though I hate the shit as
much as anyone... I think the cure must be adjusted to fit the severity of
the offense... we don't discipline jaywalkers with shotguns, and closing
down the list and instituting Bushian draconisms is kind of dumb, IMHO.
The ISP I subscribe to is pretty good about such stuff, and personal
spam to my account tends to come in small waves - two or four a week for a
bit and then none...
I just hit the 'DEL' button, and Pine takes care of the rest. There are
enough folks here who will spank the spammers, much more effectively
than I can (or have the time for), so I'm content to let it be as-is. If
the List were overwhelmed on a daily basis with the usual Usenet XXXPorn -
Warez - MakeMOneyFast - MyDaughterHasCancerSendCashPlease shit, that
would be cause for Action. Right now, I just Delete and move on.
Cheerz
Sanford Wallace (Surpised no-one mentioned CyberPromo yet..)
OK all you brains out there. See if you can answer this one. How can I
make PKZIP include ALL the files on a disk INCLUDING those in sub
directories and the sub directories themselves. Easy, you say? Go try it.
The help menu says that -r will make it recurse sub directories and that -p
will make it save the directory names and -P will make it save the sub
directory names even if they're empty. OR it says that you can use
-&s[drive] to copy an entire drive.
Well I've been trying to get either one to work for the last hour and I
haven't had any luck. -$a: ties to create a .ZIP file by the name of -&sa:
but that's illegal so it errors out. -rp, -rP, -Pr and -pr all do that
same thing. It copies all the files including those in the subdirectories
but when you use PKUNZIP all the files are placed in one directory
therefore losing the directory structure and overwritng any files that have
same names but that came from different subdirectories. I've tried this
with MS DOS PKZIP verion 2.04g and with Winzip but I got the same results
with both.
Any ideas about what's wrong?
Joe
On Jan 30, 15:36, Marvin Johnston wrote:
>
> What is the voltage, current, and style of the lamps used on the PDP-8
> series of computers? I recall seeing 14V, 28V lamps both mentioned, but
> no current ratings.
My PDP-8/E uses 12V or 14V bulbs, running off an 8V (nominal) supply. I'm
sure I posted some of the details to the list not very long ago, when I was
thinking about replacing the non-original LEDs with original bulbs. Other
models may very well be different, though.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Jan 30, 18:19, Dave McGuire wrote:
> On January 30, Matt London wrote:
> > Quick question, I've got a Cipher F880 here (no tapes yet - anyone in
> > the UK wanna help out? :&) and someone just asked me what the maximum
> > capacity of the drive is....
>
> The Cipher F880 is a 1600bpi drive, if memory serves. It might also
> do 800bpi. Capacity depends on the block size...but on average, at
> 1600bpi on a 2400' reel, you'll get about 40MB or so.
That's what I thought, but I didn't want to be the first to reply because
I'm not really sure. If it does support both 800bpi and 1600bpi, and
you're in the UK not too far from York, I have an 800bpi tape which I can't
read on my 1600bpi drive, and would like copied sometime. It's an original
7th Edition distribution tape from the UK distribution centre at HWU, and
I've wanted to put it on the PUPS archive for a long time. Apart from the
fact that it's probably the tape used for the machine sitting a few feet
away frm me, which also came from HWU.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> Keyboard error. It's _possible_ the keyboard error is in the VT131,
> but not as likely as in the keyboard. If you have a VT100 or VT101,
That was my thought...
> VT105, etc., you could test that keyboard in another terminal; but if
> you just have the VT131 as your sole example of DEC keyboards, that's
> a bit of a problem.
This is actually the only one I've ever met. I have seen pictures and
layout diagrams, though, and it _looks_ (IE the keys are the same) like
a VT100 keyboard. On the other hand, that other terminal _looked_ (The
case, etc, was nearly identical) like a VT100...
> If the label hasn't fallen off, ISTR that there was a paper sticker
> with the Digital logo and some numbers on the bottom.
Fallen off, or not there in the first place. :/
> It's possible, if you can't find a vendor description anywhere, that
> you picked up a keyboard for another terminal. Lots of folks
> used 1/4"
> jacks for keyboards in those days, even Apple (on the Lisa).
Yes, but again, it's not the jack that makes it look the same -- it
really does look like (at least a carbon copy of) a VT100 keyboard. See
my comment above about the other terminal, though. It certainly isn't a
Lisa keyboard. I have both the working machine, and a not-so-working
machine, each with the keyboard. Anyway, the apple markings would give
it away...
> If it's a DEC keyboard, it should be compatible. I am not aware of
> any major changes in keyboards, save VT100 vs LK201 and the like
> (different protocol, I presume; different appearance,
> different connector,
> etc.)
Yep. :) That's what I thought, anyway... So I'm assuming for now the
keyboard is bad, or incompatible. Perhaps I could modify it either way,
given the schematics for the keyboard...
> > Failing a way to positively identify the keyboard, are there any
> > common modes of failure along these lines?
> Dead chip in the keyboard, usually. We never fixed them when I used
> VT100s on a daily basis. We threw them into a box in the
> back room and
> grabbed a different (working) one from stock. The fact that we were
> shrinking on an annual basis meant that we never had to buy a terminal
> again after we hit our peak in 1984.
Do you know anything about the type/location on the board of this chip?
> Off of a good terminal? I presume that you could find a VT100 from a
> 3rd party vendor. Don't know what they sell for these days.
Hmm.. VT100 keyboard schematics, anyone? :) I'd really like to make this
into a console for my PDP-11.
Regards,
Chris
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Where 'locally' is either a misprint for 'luckily', or it's the name
of a
small hamlet in Wales, not marked on any map.
That would be Llocaly, it's near Cwmfishin.
Lee.
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> Isn't that the DoD designation for a PDP-8?
We'll, I've seen Sperry-Rand, Harris, Unisys, and Honeywell systems with
that designation. It all depends on the number after the AN/UYK- as to what
it's the designation for.
Zane
Toth --
I'm afraid the P70 keys are different. They apparently built a special
keyboard just for this class of machine. I have a couple experiments in
mind as far as my own junk keyboards are concerned, but I haven't had a
chance to diagram out the mechanism so I can cross-breed something. The
ideal situation is a key from a dead P70. But I'd just be happy not to keep
slapping my finger into the empty socket everytime a rewrite a host file or
something. Sighhhh. Thanks for thinking of me though.
Colin Eby
Senior Consultant
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On January 30, Matt London wrote:
> Quick question, I've got a Cipher F880 here (no tapes yet - anyone in
> the UK wanna help out? :&) and someone just asked me what the maximum
> capacity of the drive is....
The Cipher F880 is a 1600bpi drive, if memory serves. It might also
do 800bpi. Capacity depends on the block size...but on average, at
1600bpi on a 2400' reel, you'll get about 40MB or so.
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
Not that anyone cares, but if you've been trying to contact me for the
past 10 days and I have not responded, it is because:
a) I was on vacation
b) When I got back I discovered some little punk assed bitch had hacked
into my server and it had to be taken off the local network where it sits
for security reasons.
I'm only now getting this stupid server reconfigured properly again. All
I can say is for all my Linux evangelizing, it still as a LONG way to go
towards ease of setup. I thought SuSE was going to make things much
easier but I must say I had about as much trouble with SuSE as I did with
my old Red Hat setup.
Fooey on crappy Linux installs. Fooey on lame-o's who waste my time by
stumbling their way into my server and causing me to lose precious time.
Anyway, I hope this actually makes it out of here. And I hope whoever is
trying to contact me will be able to get through successfully.
It will still take me a day to work out bugs and get back to anyone who's
e-mailed me, so I appreciate your patience.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Hey ho people :&)
Quick question, I've got a Cipher F880 here (no tapes yet - anyone in
the UK wanna help out? :&) and someone just asked me what the maximum
capacity of the drive is....
Anyone care to enlighten me?
-- Matt
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> What's the age of this machine? Most rechargeable battery
> technologies are
> only good for 5-10 years, and after that they start to leak and damage
> surrounding metals. If this system uses NiCads or Sealed Lead Acid
> batteries, they should be replaced right away. If it uses
> Cyclon Sealed
> Lead Acid batteries, those are usually good for about 15
> years, but after
> about 10, they really should be replaced anyway.
Not sure, but I'll check them.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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On January 30, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> > > M7616 KXJ11-CA J11 CPU, 512-Kbyte RAM,
> 64-Kbyte PROM
> > > This is a PDP 11 on a QBus slave card, used as universal intelligent
> > > peripheral controller. (Wouldn't it be nice to have a PDP 11
> > > co-processor runing some 2.xBSD in a VAX? ;-) )
> > Oh I would seriously *dig* this. :-) It would be great to be able
> > to squirt arbitrary code into that card from a userland process. 8-)
> My thaught, my thaught. But as I have no clue how this card can be
> interfaced, I can't say that this will be possible. Doc for this beast
> seams to be really hard to get.
That sucks. It would be a really cool thing to be able to do.
Maybe someone within DEC can anonymously slide some info your way.
Hey, I can hope. :-)
-Dave
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I bought a few things from the local university's surplus shop today.
First, I needed a printer, my ink-guzzler having recently become
unavailable. I found a LaserJet II, which should work nicely for what I
need to do. It's also on-topic and looks it (in a good way). I'm
guessing I'll want to get a 4MB memory module and a Postscript module for
it. That stuff looks to be decently available on eBay. Cost: $25.
I also picked up a microfiche viewer, as I have some manuals on fiche
cards that I'd like to see. Cost: $10.
I hope these things actually work...
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
I've got a few mini-Linux machines. The smallest is an NEC Versa UltraLite,
with the runner up being IBM P70. Which reminds me -- anyone have a parts
machine. Mine's missing the critical left shift key. Detracts from the joy
of Vi on an amber screen. :^>~
-- Colin Eby
Senior Consultant
CSC Consulting
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
> I've got a Contura Aero myself, tho slightly upgraded since it was bought
> from Compaq. Mine currently has 20MB of ram and 4GB of hard drive. It
> originally came with 4MB of ram and 80MB of hard drive. You would not
> believe the pain and suffering that was involved in getting a non-dos os
> installed on the thing.
Yes, I would. I've installed NetBSD on an IBM PS/1.
Peace... Sridhar
> If someone has a Contura Aero 4/33C or parts for the Contura Aero line
> they want to get rid of sometime, send me an email. I've always wanted to
> add a 4/33C to my collection of unusual systems.
>
> -Toth
>
>
The way to deal with idiots like this is to
call his boss and complain. I just did.
Good use of 15 cents.
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On January 30, Gareth Knight wrote:
> > I wanted to grab this, but the web server mentioned in the article
> > is refusing connections on port 80. Anybody know what's going on, or
> > did anyone manage to grab it?
>
> Try http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html
Ahh, there it is. Thanks! :-)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
On Jan 29, 6:22, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> > Sounds like a standard T1_1/2 (about 3/16" diameter) or T1_3/4 (about
> > 1/4" diameter) wire-ended bulb. There are still a few companies that
> > make them.
>
> If I had to guess, I'd go with the 1/4" diameter. These are larger
> than PDP-8/L or RL01/RL02 bulbs.
The bulbs in RL02s aren't "wire-ended", they're 14 volt T1_1/2 "wedge base"
bulbs. Wedge base bulbs are common in motor vehicles. Unfortunately 14V
is hard to get (except in T1_3/4 size), but I used 12V ones in my RL02s --
they're just a bit brighter. Farnell part no 328-960, made by SLI (for
whom someone posted a URL). I got some low-current 12V ones made by VCH as
well.
> > > If DEC was underfeeding these bulbs to extend their life, I would
> > > expect that the bulb should be rated at 14V-16V.
>
> > The Farnell catalogue lists a few that are 14V. The correct bulbs for
my
> > RL02 drives are 14V, fed from a 12V supply, as you say.
>
> >From a conversation with Jeff Russ, a PDP collector from Indiana, it
> seems that the bulbs are 28V, underfed to 12V-14V. He found some
> similar bulbs at a hamefest once, but they drew double the current
> of the originals.
Dunno about bulbs for a PDP-8 but spare RL01/2 bulbs I got from DEC are
definitely 14V.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
The first computer I used was in '65 - I took a summer course at Stevens
Tech and learned FORTRAN on an IBM 1620; I think it was a 7090 which
they had also, but only the real geeks could use it, and I wasn't among
them. Then in '66 I learned (a little) of 1401 AutoCoder. The freshman
year at RPI it was the 360 model 50 - still with punched cards.
At the risk of starting a definitions war, I got a TI SR-52 for
statistics and games (still have it). Shortly thereafter I put together
my Sol-20 (2 weeks of soldering everynight after dinner, and 6 weeks to
find the two reversed diodes which prevented it from working)- still
have it. I had a RS Model I very briefly - don't have it. Then it was
on to a North Star Horizon - still have it, a Morrow Decision 1 (sold it
but I found a replacement), and then a PC XT clone and descendents - the
only ones in this lineage I still find "cool" are my HP 200LX and Poqet.
Of course I used many other - Cromemco, various Rat Shacks, Osborne 1,
KayPro, Apple II, Sinclair, PETs, VICs, C-64's, Atari 400-800, TI, Adam,
etc. I have since added to my collection an IMSAI, CompuPro, and Ithaca
InterSystem, a Lisa 2/5, plus some smaller systems like Ohio Scientific
Challenger, Apple II+, Epson PX, KayPro 10, Osborne Executive, Sinclair
kit, Mac 512, Color Classic, et al. Sometime in the next xx years I
will finish putting together my Mark-8 repro with a TV typewriter. And
I know it was a lousy machine, but since I ALMOST bought one instead of
my Sol, I'd still like an Altair 8800 (but I don't see many around in my
price range lately <g>). Steve Ciarcia has suggested that someday he
MIGHT make me a present of his Digital Group, but I really lust after
his Scelbi (and he's smart enough not to leave it to me in his will -
how tempted I might be... <g>)
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
Wow, the design of this baby is even more revolutionary than Apple's new
iMac-- http://www.vax.co.uk/ My guess is the black hose coming out of
the side is used to circulate some sort of coolant to the process from
overheating.
-brian.
No, it's for the holes...
On Jan 30, 9:42, Ben Franchuk wrote:
> Nope you have it all WRONG, it is the Bit Bucket option
> for all the loose 0's and 1's found when a program crashes.
> They can be rather hard on the carpet, generate static electricty
> and slow programs down to a crawl.
Paraphrasing slightly from Matthew Skala on alt.folklore.computers:
All perfectly correct, except you forgot to mention:
In modern implementations, data sent to the bit bucket are destroyed by
combining the binary 1s and 0s in the Neuman reaction [1],
(eqn. 1) 1#0 -> 2p
where # is the logical annihilation operator, and p is Plonk's Constant,
0.172 J [2]. The resulting heat is fed back to the power supply and
used to replace the voltages of the destroyed bits.
Unfortunately, this reaction requires equal amounts of 1 and 0 bits.
Modern PCs, especially those used in desktop publishing by unskilled
personnel, often generate an excess of 0 bits corresponding, for
example, to whitespace in printed documents. These unwanted zeros can
accumulate into plaques on the system bus, causing a reduction in bus
rate and eventual total catastrophic system seizure [3].
Current techniques involve breaking the zero and unrolling it into a
one. See Figure 1, below.
|
_ __ \ |
/ \ \ \ |
| | ---> | ---> | ---> |
\_/ __/ / |
/ |
|
Figure 1.
Unrolling a zero.
(15000x electron micrographs courtesy Pugwash
Memorial Hospital Research Department)
This 1 can be annihilated with another extra 0 by equation 1, leaving to
be disposed only the hole from the middle of the unrolled 0. Holes are
accumulated in a special Hole Accumulation Hemisphere (HAH) at the
bottom of the power supply filter capacitors, until they can be removed
by a qualified service technician. Used holes are currently being
re-refined, cast in larger units, and sold to the doughnut industry [4].
It is important that beginning users not attempt to empty their own
HAHs. The accumulated holes, in addition to being invisible, are an
environmental hazard and should not be placed in the normal office waste
stream. There have been cases of holes getting into important documents
[5], or merging to form chunks large enough for personnel to fall in [6].
Uncontrolled holes are a very real danger and must be taken seriously,
especially in critical government and medical applications [7].
References
[1] Neuman, A.E. Safe, secure destruction of data. Journal of Data
Erasure Technologies. 5:17, 23-69.
[2] Plonk, Anvilsko. Heat value of data: a retrospective. Home Heating
News. 65, 19.
[3] Kevorkian, J. Case studies in busclerotic CPU arrest. Journal of
Systems Rescusitation. 2:12, 143-145.
[4] Dibbler, C.M.O.T. An alternative to traditional hole suppliers.
Baking Quarterly. 1996:3, 7-17.
[5] Kaputnik, H. I ha no l ers nd must sc . Writer's Weekly.
28:42, 94-98.
[6] Eating Corporation of America. Unpublished memo, subject: "Where
the f--- is Waldo?"
[7] Rubble, B. The 18 1/2 minute gap: Another view.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 at 21:19:35 -0500, Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> At 10:03 PM 1/29/02 -0000, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> > A few of you might remember my Sharp CE-515P plotter. Well, my pens
are
> >almost completely devoid of ink and I need more. I know All Electronics
sell
> >a pack of 4x black pens, but I'm after the four coloured ones (blue,
green,
> >red and black). I'd really like to keep this thing running, but if I
can't
> >get the pens then I'm afraid I'm going to have to relegate it to the
> >cupboard...
>
> I bought both black and colored pens a few years ago. I THINK I got
them
> from Goldmine Electronics. You should check with them. Besides their
prices
> are a lot better than All's.
The same Goldmine Electronics whose website is located at
www.goldmine-elec.com ? Hmm...
I've just had a look in the "Computer Parts" section and there's no sign of
any plotter pens...
If Goldmine do sell them, can someone PLEASE tell me what catalogue page
they're on?
Thanks.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)bigfoot.com
http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/
We have a Amstrad 1512dd, monitor, keyboard, mouse, dmp3000 printer with
loads of paper, dust covers plus original Gem software & about 40 5.25"
discs.
System used approx 10 hours since purchased new in 1987. Mint Condition and
perfect working order.
All offers considered.
L.Suffolk
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Did a little research and found the FST description at:
http://www.hp.com/products1/rte/tech_support/documentation/documentation1/9…
Not sure if I'll have time to tackle this or not. If anyone else decides to
write an application to decode the data, I'd be interested in the results.
See ya,
SteveRob
>From: "Bill McDermith" <bill_mcdermith(a)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: More HP1000's, and bootstrapping old systems in general.
>Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:39:08 -0700
>
>The manuals are available from HP, and I believe that the format for these
>files are in the back of the backup manual... I'm not sure if the manuals
>are on the interex site, but if you go into the RTE section of hp support,
>you can download them there...
>
>Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Shannon" <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:38 PM
>Subject: Re: More HP1000's, and bootstrapping old systems in general.
>
>
> > Hmmm, does anyone on interex understand this format?
> >
> > Bill McDermith wrote:
> >
> > > >From the hp users group, interex, you can get the RTE-6 OS, but only
> > > in fst format, which is some sort of tape dump/backup format that I
> > > cannot (yet) decode, so I'm not sure how to build a loadable system...
> > > The manuals are also available... If anyone knows how to decode
>...snip...snip...snip...
>
>
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> From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com]
> Right site but clicking all download links produce "page not
> found" errors
> here.
Ok, this one seems like it might work:
http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I've allways liked the tag line quoting Ernst Jan Plugge: "The day Microsoft
makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making
vacuum cleaners."
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:57 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: New line of VAX 6000s!
--- Brian Chase <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org> wrote:
> Wow, the design of this baby is even more revolutionary than Apple's new
> iMac-- http://www.vax.co.uk/ My guess is the black hose coming out of
> the side is used to circulate some sort of coolant to the process from
> overheating.
Wow! A 6130! They fit three processors in that little enclosure... must
not be XMI ;-)
(Yes... I've heard of the VAX company in England... the joke going around
over a decade ago was "Nothing sucks like a VAX").
-ethan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 29 January 2002 14:15
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: 1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!)
>
> "tatty polys"? It sounds British, but I have no idea what it is.
Someone else has already answered this, but from my point of view it means
battered packaging. (or "ebay mint")
> I've just been trying to locate replacement gears for my 1520 - So
> far, my measurements have yielded the following...
Which is why I started breaking this one for spares in the first place since
the guy asking wanted a few spares from the printer.
a
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> Sent: 29 January 2002 15:51
> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
> Subject: 1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!)
>
> Not really, I'd need a 120V version. Do you happen to know
> what the output
> voltage(s) are? I haven't even looked at the power connector
> on the 1520 I
> have. I'm guessing it uses a Din or coaxial power connector
> like most of
> the Commodore or Atari gear had.
Having seen Tony's reply about a built-in PSU I'm not sure about both of
mine now! One I've got easy access to but the other broken one is in
storage....
I'll have to check now :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
> Sent: 30 January 2002 16:14
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: A Special Announcement From Dish Network and the Armor
> Security Corporation
>
>
> Did this joker susbscribe to the list, spam it and then un-sub?
>
Not sure - I got it in my works mailbox today and this address doesn't get
used for anything outside work apart from this list.
> Which in turn will verify that your address is indeed valid and your
> incoming spam rate will rise by at least 2 orders of
> magnitude after they
> sell your address to a few thousand more spammers.
That's why I never reply to 'em :)
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In a message dated 1/30/02 10:51:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com writes:
> .
>
> Well I've been trying to get either one to work for the last hour and I
> haven't had any luck. -$a: ties to create a .ZIP file by the name of -&sa:
> but that's illegal so it errors out. -rp, -rP, -Pr and -pr all do that
> same thing. It copies all the files including those in the subdirectories
> but when you use PKUNZIP all the files are placed in one directory
> therefore losing the directory structure and overwritng any files that have
> same names but that came from different subdirectories. I've tried this
> with MS DOS PKZIP verion 2.04g and with Winzip but I got the same results
> with both.
>
> Any ideas about what's wrong?
>
>
You are doing fine... From DOS you can do a:
pkzip -rp zipname
to recoursively zip all your files and then unzip them into their correct
directory structure by doing a:
pkunzip -d zipname
Just tried it an it works great and even keeps empty directories for ya. I
am using pkzip/unzip for DOS version 2.04g...
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.