- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by taylor＠cem.nrl.navy.mil

At 08:12 PM 2/5/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Douglas Taylor wrote: > > > My Vax 4000 has a TF85 DLT tape drive which works fine, but is missing > > the plastic panel that has the lettering describing the function of > > the various LEDs on the front of the drive. Could someone tell me > > what the different LEDs mean? Once I know I can make a snazzy paper, > > stick on version.... ( That's what hobby computing is about! ) > >Are these the same drives that the MicroVax II use? If so, I can take a >picture of the legend on my drive. No, the TF85 is a DSSI drive. The MicroVax II used the TK50 and TK70 drives, which look quite similar. Doug

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What's your specialty?

by timwa＠snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

Hi all.. First post to the list (been lurking for a month or so :-) On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: > Ok, now's your chance to discuss your specialty and get the attention > of other folks who have stuff that you may want. Hmm. I don't have a speciality yet 'cos I don't really have enough equipment to constitute one, but if I ever accumulate enough it will be Unix workstations and servers. My main interest is in well designed kit that I can use to serve a purpose - my home web server/DNS/MTA etc. is a Sparc Classic & my workstation is an SGI Indy, for example. My next acquisition will be a database server, and I'm thinking HP PA/RISC at the moment... (My serial console is a 1989 Psion MC400 mobile computer.) I'd dearly love a Vax (first 'real' computer I used, don't know which model 'cos I only saw the serial terminal,) but fear my wife would kill me if I tried to get one in the flat :-). As for the second 'real' one I used - an Amdahl - I'm not even going to mention it to her :^). In my parents' garage I do also have a PET 8096 + dual floppy, a C64 + 1541 + CBM printer, & an A2000. Soon as I have access to a car I'll retrieve them, and start the long job of clearing out the spiders... Once it's back and cleaned & serviceable I'll probably pass the PET on, because I simply don't have the room, but the Miggy I'm _very_ fond of :-) Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Walls at home in Croydon - Reply to tim(a)snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

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RJ45 to serial DE-9

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

I thought I had one, but I don't. Someone out there have/know where to find a cable with an RJ-45 plug on one side and a female DE-9 (DB-25 okay but prefer DE-9) on the other? This is to plug my Commodore into the serial port on my Lantronix EPS4+1 and attempt to get it on the network by reverse Telnet. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Justice is incidental to law and order. -- J. Edgar Hoover -----------------

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WTHIT? Programmer's Panel

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone have any idea what this <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/p-panel/front.jpg> is? The id tag <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/p-panel/idplate.jpg> on the back calls it a Programmer's Panel. As you can see it was built by Martin marietta and is serial number 004. Most of the connections to it are made through two connectors on the back panel <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/p-panel/conns.jpg>. There's also one connector on the side (sorry no picture this time). The side connector is a male D(mumble) size connector with three rows of pins similar to that used in the old SUN disk drives. It only uses a single card <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/p-panel/inside.jpg> inside but the card is nearly as big as the case. The card is one of the expensive Augut brand wire wrap cards with machine turned pins and sockets that have a heavy gold plating. Everything appears to be SSI TTL logic. All the electrical connections are made via DIP style plugs and one ribbon cable along the front edge of the card. In the picture you can see where I left two of them unplugged. There's also a three digit numeric display in the back RH corner. It seems to always display "300". Inside the case there is one Acopian power supply and two ACDC power supplies. The card is in a frame that has a neat tilt up feature. Just press in two spring loaded buttons in the back corners and tilt the card anywhere that you want it. It will tilt forward about 140 degrees allowing access to the back of the card. There's also extra holes in the frame so that you can lock the card at the 90 degree position. I've shown that in one of the other pictures. The front hinges are made with the same style spring loaded pins, so you can press them in and completely remove the circuit card. The front panel is very interesting. First, the switches all have three positions. Most of them have two functions plus an off position. The one in the lower LH corner, for example, clears the Entry register or complements the entry that's already in it. Second, the panel has controls for just about anything you can imagine. Note that it uses 16 bit data but only a 14 bit address. Sorry for the crummy picture. I got home late and there wasn't enough light for a decent picture. The first TWO sets of pictures didn't turn out so I said the hell with it and used these. I did try using the camaera flash but it made too much glare. I'll retake the pictures sometime when I get home earlier. Anybody have an idea of what kind of computer this was made for? The case and wire wrap card look very promising for potential use as a future Altair style computer. Joe

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beefy RS/6000 router story [long]

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 6, Doc wrote: > > Anyway, sorry for being a windbag...I first moved to the DC area in > > the beginning of 1993 to "do that Digex thing" and now I've recently > > moved away; kinda the "end of an era" for me and a major part of my > > life. > > Don't apologize. That's the sort of windbaggage that makes this list > worthwhile. The tech info & hardware sources are cool, but the > "context" it all comes from is absolutely priceless. Heh, thanks...of course, lingering from my last few months at Digex back in 1997, I still have that slight anal burning sensation... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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What's Your Specialty?

by jpl15＠panix.com

I can heartily attest to the run-away-collection syndrome. There is indeed that imaginary 'line' (as somone recently said) between avocation and pathology.. and I have crossed it several times. The BIG problem for me was that the collection was amassed in increments, but divested as a whole... yikes! I will *never* do that again!! It took over my living space, and I ended up with crap I didn't want, couldn't use, and nobody else really wanted, either. Of course, there was a lot of 'good stuff' too. Now, I want to have just one, fully fleshed-out, peripheral-rich DEC PDP 11/44 system, but I want it to be complete and pristine... completely stock DEC, all manuals, doc, printsets... as if it had just come off the truck from the Mill. Then, we'll see if expansion of the collection is in order. As an aside, the big problem I face is that classic computers are *not* the only thing (heavy, big) that I am a fan of. I have an extensive vintage electronic musical instrument collection, and I love boat-anchor radio gear and teletype machinery... then there's the antique and classic audio studio equipment Stuff I have, recorders and outboard gear and many, many devices to reproduce the various ways humans have devised to record sound... which I use as part of my hobby/business of audio restoration, preservation, and archiving. sigh... why couldn't it have been stamps?? Ten thousand stamps could *all* fit in the chassis of one 11/44 CPU... Cheers John

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IBM RS/6k

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 5, Doc wrote: > Mostly, when they're decommissioned, somebody takes them home. They > just don't come available much at all. That's 'cause those little buggers are *fast*. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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IBM RS/6k

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 6, Doc wrote: > > Oh shit yes. > > > > -Dave > > <In his best "Simpsons" bully voice> > > Nyaahh-Haahh!!! I *wasn't* drinking coffee this time! I'm on a mission to destroy Doc's keyboard, monitor, and mouse with all manner of half-ingested beverage! Muahahhahaaaa!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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RJ45 to serial DE-9

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I thought I had one, but I don't. Someone out there have/know where to find >a cable with an RJ-45 plug on one side and a female DE-9 (DB-25 okay but >prefer DE-9) on the other? This is to plug my Commodore into the serial port >on my Lantronix EPS4+1 and attempt to get it on the network by reverse >Telnet. I have seen RJ45 to DE9 adaptors before. I have one someplace, it came with my DSL router. But I have seen them for sale at computer shows before, and would think they should be readily available at any decent electronics or network parts dealer. I think Rat Shack sells a roll your own pinout one that goes to a DB25 (I know they have an RJ14, 6 pin to DB25). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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PDP8 Terminal info?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 6, Kris Kirby wrote: > I have a few terminals with "20 ma" connectors on the back and have seen a > PDP8 with such as well. Can these two be connected wire-for-wire and work, > or do I need other hardware? You don't need other hardware. I'd send you the pinouts but I don't remember them offhand. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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IBM RS/6k

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Oh shit yes. -Dave On February 5, Pat Finnegan wrote: > He wants $50. Would you say it's worth that? > > -- Pat > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On February 5, Pat Finnegan wrote: > > > Over at Purdue Salvage, they have an RS/6000 Model 7013 'space heater' > > > sized system. On the front it says 'Power Server 560(590?)' Any ideas on > > > value, and is anyone interested? > > > > If it's a 590, I'm definitely interested. No idea what it'd be > > worth though. > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > > > > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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IBM RS/6k

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Oh shit yes. -Dave On February 5, Pat Finnegan wrote: > He wants $50. Would you say it's worth that? > > -- Pat > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On February 5, Pat Finnegan wrote: > > > Over at Purdue Salvage, they have an RS/6000 Model 7013 'space heater' > > > sized system. On the front it says 'Power Server 560(590?)' Any ideas on > > > value, and is anyone interested? > > > > If it's a 590, I'm definitely interested. No idea what it'd be > > worth though. > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > > > > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Mentec Hobbyist Licenses for PDP11 stuff!!!!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 13:22, Bill Bradford wrote: > YAY! Party time. > > The quick answer is yes we are. We are at present proposing to release a > > Hobbyists License Agreement with CD-ROM containing the software for the > > various PDP-11 Operating Systems. Great news! Now all I have to hope for is that it won't depend on a UK DECUS membership (UK (ex-)members of DECUS will know what I mean; it's much harder and more expensive to get a VMS hobbyist license in the UK than just about anywhere else.) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Spam and moderation

by jpl15＠panix.com

Even tho' this topic has just got beat to death... if one steps back and looks, the ratio of actual 'spam' to posts here is quite good, compared to some others. I ain't saying it's welcome or tolerable, but the S/N ratio is not bad. IMHO. I am still publically volunteering to recieve all non-subscriber posts, and delete the spam, adverts, etc, and forward the classiccmp-related material to the list. I don't know how that could be arranged, but I'll drop a line to El Admino and see what can be done. Then Sellam can sleep at night, once again... ;} Cheerz XXX Bare-ly legal teen cheerleader dormcam dude XXX

24 years, 4 months

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Classic Computing makes Antiques Roadshow

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

In case you blinked, there was a WOZ signed Mac on Antiques Roadshow (Tucson, AZ, Hour 3). It was only on for about 20 seconds, but the appraiser valued it at $6,000-$10,000! Here's a link to the episode, but no mention of the Mac. It shows up about halfway through the show. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/roadshow/series/highlights/2002/tucson/tucson3 .html

24 years, 4 months

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Taking control of your collection

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/5/2002 4:53:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, vaxzilla(a)jarai.org writes: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > > Not likely, since most women won't like the setup you described :-) You > > > LIVE here??? walks out door, never comes back :-( > > > > Sure, if you're into lame and materialistic women. > > > > A good woman will love you for who you are inside. > > Yeah, but don't expect her to be very good looking. > > -brian. > bzzzt,wrong! my wife to be is pretty and smart and more enlightened than most. Plus she knows *everything* about me and loves it all! heh.

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HP 9000 battery update

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok, I really should have pulled it apart and looked before now, and feel absolutely idiotic. :) The reason that the battery backup wasn't working in my '9000 is that there are no batteries. (that would prevent it from properly functioning, I'm sure...) I assume that the previous owner found the batteries to have gone bad, and simply decided to remove them. I'll be attempting to contact HP about getting replacements soon. Meanwhile, does anyone know of any other sources (including price if possible) for these batteries? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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IVAN info needed

by Innfogra＠aol.com

A friend who is at the Hanford Auction called and asked me if I knew anything about a small white tower named IVAN and made by International Imaging System. A Google search turned up nothing. >From the Google hits I bet is a graphics engine of some kind. Any information would help. Paxton Astoria, OR

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TF85 Front panel leds

by taylor＠cem.nrl.navy.mil

My Vax 4000 has a TF85 DLT tape drive which works fine, but is missing the plastic panel that has the lettering describing the function of the various LEDs on the front of the drive. Could someone tell me what the different LEDs mean? Once I know I can make a snazzy paper, stick on version.... ( That's what hobby computing is about! ) Also, I need to de-gauss some DLT III tapes to use with the TF85. Any ideas on what it takes to properly de-gauss a cartridge? Doug

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HP 9000 battery update

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Brown [mailto:bbrown@harper.cc.il.us] > Physically, where is the case was the battery? > > I have a G40 downstairs in our datacenter. Take the front plate off -- you'll need a torx bit. (Also note that the faceplate slides straight up, then straight out. You might damage something if you're really adamant about pulling it off sideways, or straight out before you lift up on it.) Each power supply has two screws holding it in (torx again). You'll also need to remove the drive cage above the PSU before you pull the power supply out. (two more torx screws, near the top of the cage) I think they're probably both the same, so only one should need removed. Once you get a PSU out (you shouldn't even need to pull it out all the way...), look right in the front of the PSU, to the right. I think that's the battery compartment. Mine is just empty with a two-prong plug that I assume should plug into the battery. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 4 months

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Taking control of your collection

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Jerome Fine wrote: > >Is there any way to check a CD? The obvious way is to duplicate it to an "image copy" on HD. If the copying app manages to read all the sectors, then it must be OK. For simple ISO9660 CDs, simply copying off the data may be enough. There are also programs (such as CDcheck, http://www.elpros.si/CDCheck/) which will test out your CDs for you. > Also, how often do you recommend making > a new copy? Once, just before the old one goes bad :-) Seriously, I've not actively gone back through my stuff to check, but I have dragged stuff off CD a few years after burning and so far I've only hit one bad CD. And even that one may have been burned badly - these days I do a check against the source when writing a CD. It was that bad CD that made me start doing that! For *important* stuff, consider making two copies. OTOH, five years from now you will be moving your CD-R (and CD) stuff over to whatever the next high capacity media happens to be (C3D, http://www.c-3d.net/tech_frameset.html, with 125*G*B per recordable disk, looks to be adequate ...) > Also, can CD software duplicate (make an exact copy of a) CDs? CDRWin http://www.goldenhawk.com/ and CloneCD http://www.elby.org/ can both do this and both have free demo versions. There are plenty of others (I just don't remember which have freebie versions). If your CDs have some for of copy protection, then things may not be so straightforward. >And can anyone suggest a way to do the >following on a W98 (Yeck) system: > >I want to set up some files in both ISO file structure >(available under DOS/W95/W98) >and under RT-11 as an RT-11 partition. >Is there a way to copy the files to a specific >block on the CD? Tim Shoppa's RT-11 CD is set up this way (IIRC). I don't know how he did it, but it's clearly possible. The trick for this kind of stuff is usually to have the non-ISO9660 filesystem set up to use the bits of the CD not used by the ISO9660 system. For details on how to do this for OpenVMS's ODS-2 see http://www.tmesis.com/cdrom/. If you want to have the ISO9660 and ODS-2 filesystems share (some or all of) the same data (i.e. you want maybe 600MB of data visible to each fs) then see: http://support.tditx.com/~odsiso/index.html. Neither of these do exactly what you want, but they illustrate the general principle. Antonio

24 years, 4 months

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Taking control of your collection

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote: > >Agreed. Absolutely. Whenever I find old kit, >I look around and ask around >for any and all manuals, documents, whatever. A useful rule of thumb, that I've learned through hard experience, is that "X" and "docs for X" (and "software for X" and "pretty much anything else you might like if you had X") almost never arrive at the same time. Usually "X" turns up just after you've not bothered to pick up one of the other items in the list. >As for the suggestion someone made that you can get documentation >from the >web, well, that's sometimes true, but often the information is incomplete, >or in an unsuitable format, or disappears after a while. The web is a cache - it's only there to hang on to stuff while you burn it to CD :-) Now there's an L2 cache to help out at http://www.archive.org/index.html. >I can't count >the number of times I've been grateful that I downloaded a copy of some >document onto one of my own hard drives, because the original online >version has gone. Besides, a printed copy is often much more useful, >especially for circuit diagrams and large manuals. Printed copies are great. Always assuming that (a) you can get them and (b) you have the room to store them! Antonio

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What's your specialty?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Ok, now's your chance to discuss your specialty and get the attention of >other folks who have stuff that you may want. I want any items made by Apple Computer, but my forte is the Macintosh -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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cdburners

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 22:33, Paul Williams wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > > On a Windows system? Telnet to a Unix machine. > > Ha ha! Step 1 of so many solutions! Yeah, but I did at least mention the Windows port of wget even if it was buried in the middle where I hoped no-one would notice ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Taking control of your collection

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 15:52, Jerome Fine wrote: > Is there any way to check a CD? Also, how often do you recommend making > a new copy? Just read it, or copy the entire CD to /dev/null and see if there are any read errors reported. > Also, can CD software duplicate (make an exact copy of a) CDs? Most can. Some *only* do that! > And can anyone suggest a way to do the following on a W98 (Yeck) system: > > I want to set up some files in both ISO file structure (available under DOS/W95/W98) > and under RT-11 as an RT-11 partition. Is there a way to copy the files to a specific > block on the CD? If you make the RT-11 part as some sort of container file (LD: volume?), you can use mkisofs to build an image consisting of everything else, and work out its size. Then burn a CD which has two (or more) tracks: first the ISO-9660 part (possibly with Rock Ridge and/or Joliet extensions), then the container (or put some padding between to make the start of the container where you want). Or start with the container, though I'm not sure if that necessarily means it would start at a specific block. I'm also not sure how many systems can read a multi-track data CD. The way people usually do it for EFS disks for IRIX (EFS is the native SGI/IRIX filesystem format used for bootable installation CDs) which have to have partitions, is to build the image on a hard drive first, and burn a raw copy of the entire hard drive (rather than the files/filesystem on it). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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cdburners

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 12:22, Lawrence LeMay wrote: > > > > See above. CD burners are wonderful. > > > > Somewhat out of question, but does anyone know of any software that would > download a web site, or a portion, to a local disk? IE, I would want to be > able to archive part of a web site onto a CDrom, without having to manually > save every image and web page, and manually edit the html links, etc. > > Ideally the software would understand that I was planning to burn > 650 meg, or 700 meg, etc images, and would break the download into > separate directories/images. wget on a unix or Linux system. You'd want to pick your root point and start wget with the -r (--recursive) and -k (or --convert-links) options (to make any absolute links into relative ones, wherever possible) and the -np (or --no-parent) so it doesn't follow links that go *up* the directory tree rather than down (a good way to get lots more than you intended!). There's also a -m (--mirror) option. You can refine things with other options (such as those to avoid certain files or types, useful to exclude those extra ?D=A indexes from directory listings) but I usually start with -r -k -np. On a Windows system? Telnet to a Unix machine. There is a Windows port, but I'm not sure how good it is. wget can limit the total size of a download by setting a quota, but it's not as useful as you might think. Better for you to decide yourself where to split a collection over two or more CDs. Of course some sites make this easy (like PUPS/TUHS, for which I run one of the official mirrors). Another polite option is --wait, which waits between fetches to reduce the bandwidth. Some sites might not like you hogging their connection. In fact, recently I came across another site that had banned certain addresses altogether for attempting to download a whole site without asking first. The owner took the view that no-one could possibly want the whole site, unless for a mirror, in which case it's best to ask. Some sites have a megabytes-per-month limit imposed by their ISP, so again, ask. There are also programs for FTP (only) mirroring: the imaginatively-named 'mirror' and 'ftpmirror' come to mind, and pavuk too, but wget is a pretty good all-rounder. http://www.wget.org/ http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html http://www.idata.sk/~ondrej/pavuk/ http://noc.intec.co.jp/ftpmirror.html http://sunsite.org.uk/packages/mirror/ -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Find while at the in-lawst

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 14:21, Bryan Pope wrote: > And thusly Christopher Smith spake: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > > > > > > that they literally use it as a door stop (they have the > > > monitor in use > > > > proping a door open... makes me cringe every time I am over there). > > > > > Wrong machine for the job. Everybody knows that a > > > Timex-Sinclair is the > > > best doorstop. > > > > I don't know. Something heavier is probably better. Maybe a PET? > > A small mini/deskside would certainly hold a door open well... > > or anything in a BA23 enclosure with floor-stand. > > > > A commodore 128 also might have a chance of actually wedging into > > the space between the door and the floor. > > > > OK OK!!! This has gone a little too far!!!!! We've recently lost a PET to a > manical rampaging battlebot, we don't need to relegate them to door stop > duty. I agree. Anyway, you don't need a PET for that. An SBC like a KIM-1 is much better; you can wedge it right into the gap under the door. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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cdburners

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Somewhat out of question, but does anyone know of any software that would >download a web site, or a portion, to a local disk? IE, I would want to be >able to archive part of a web site onto a CDrom, without having to manually >save every image and web page, and manually edit the html links, etc. > >Ideally the software would understand that I was planning to burn >650 meg, or 700 meg, etc images, and would break the download into >separate directories/images. On the Mac... iCab will let you pull down most of a site, it is limited by the number of levels you tell it to follow links. It will place it all in a folder, and keep the directory structure in tact (ie: subdirectories go into sub folders), so that you can just start at the top, and follow the links locally. Other than that... I think the other app that I have heard recommended (I use iCab myself), is called Site Sucker, or Web Sucker, one of those... it too will pull everything down, retaining links as it goes. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Acquisition from Dad....

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> Lastly, (to Chris, really) I seem to recall that a MacSE/30 (or >Classic) that I had sold to someone had a Radius Full Page Display Card in >it also. Yup... I have that radius card I think. I have a video card that was in the SE FDHD you sold me (well, really just tossed in the box along with the Classic II). I can double check the card when I am at work tomorrow (working from home today). Do you want the card back... or do you want to give me the monitor when I am up there? :-D >BTW, how is >the GatorStar? For the most part... still boxed... been busy writing CATI jobs. I think I am going to skip copying the manuals... too darn big, too darn hard. If I drop the manuals, the rest will just take me a day to organize and get ready to bring to you. What's a good weekend for me to make the drive? (Its looking like Sundays are my only open weekend days until the 2nd weekend in March... after that Sat or Sun is fine) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Taking control of your collection

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 0:11, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >-Only 1 copy of a machine. Keep the best & cleanest. Trash, sell or > > Hmmm, there is the problem of spare parts for some of these systems.... > > >-No books. Only one or 2 max complete reference per system. Or then it gets > >outta control. > > OK, this one I flat out disagree with!!!! No, he wrote "one or 2 ... *complete* reference" (my emphasis). Per system. > Without documentation an old computer is worthless. Agreed. Absolutely. Whenever I find old kit, I look around and ask around for any and all manuals, documents, whatever. As for complete, here's what I'd consider "complete", for, say, an 11/40 (like the one I got last year): - complete printsets for all boards etc, a pile about 6" to 12" high. - complete set of diagnostics (XXDP) listings, 12" - 18" wide on a shelf - manuals for the CPU, bootstrap loader, DL11-W, etc etc, 6" wide - technical manuals ditto for the RX02, RK05s, etc, 6" - 12" - manual set for RT-11 or RSX-11 and languages etc, 20" - 40" of shelf space - IC and other components references, Texas Instrument TTL handbook, etc, etc - probably other things I've forgotten. That 11/40 came with some of the original logbooks but not the invoices etc. My 11/34 even had some of the original orders and invoices, installation sheets, and the like. As for the suggestion someone made that you can get documentation from the web, well, that's sometimes true, but often the information is incomplete, or in an unsuitable format, or disappears after a while. I can't count the number of times I've been grateful that I downloaded a copy of some document onto one of my own hard drives, because the original online version has gone. Besides, a printed copy is often much more useful, especially for circuit diagrams and large manuals. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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MicroPDP 11/73

by tim.myers＠protasis.co.uk

Just got a pair of MicroPDP 11/73s - one of which is up and running (RT-11) nicely, the othe seems to have a problem with the PSU. Anyone know of a service manual/schematics for the PSU? --- Tim Myers, Protasis UK Ltd., Cheshire Innovation Park, PO Box 1, Chester, CH1 3SH. Tel : +44 151 355 4590 DDI : +44 151 355 4931 Fax : +44 151 355 4942

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Mentec Hobbyist Licenses for PDP11 stuff!!!!

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

YAY! Party time. ----- Forwarded message from "Careena.Fitzpatrick" <Careena.Fitzpatrick(a)Mentec.com> ----- From: "Careena.Fitzpatrick" <Careena.Fitzpatrick(a)Mentec.com> To: "'mrbill(a)mrbill.net'" <mrbill(a)mrbill.net> Subject: RE: Hobbyist licenses for PDP-11 operating systems? Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:19:11 -0500 > Dear Bill, > > The quick answer is yes we are. We are at present proposing to release a > Hobbyists License Agreement with CD-ROM containing the software for the > various PDP-11 Operating Systems. Our Website is been updated, the new > website will have a Hobbyist page given all the relevant information on > the Software, CD's,Licenses, and how to obtain them. There will be a total > of 3 CD-ROM's covering all the Operating System available. > > If you have any please do not hesitate to contact. > > Careena.Fitzpatrick(a)mentec.com > or 603 883 7711 > > -----Original Message----- > From: info > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Alex.Peirce; Rod.Hicks; Careena.Fitzpatrick > Subject: FW: Hobbyist licenses for PDP-11 operating systems? > > ---------- > From: Bill Bradford[SMTP:MRBILL@MRBILL.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:52:15 PM > To: info(a)mentec.com > Subject: Hobbyist licenses for PDP-11 operating systems? > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > Have your plans for eventual hobbyist licenses for the > various PDP11 operating systems been dropped? > > Bill > > -- > Bill Bradford > mrbill(a)mrbill.net > Austin, TX ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Find while at the in-laws

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > > that they literally use it as a door stop (they have the > monitor in use > > proping a door open... makes me cringe every time I am over there). > Wrong machine for the job. Everybody knows that a > Timex-Sinclair is the > best doorstop. I don't know. Something heavier is probably better. Maybe a PET? A small mini/deskside would certainly hold a door open well... or anything in a BA23 enclosure with floor-stand. A commodore 128 also might have a chance of actually wedging into the space between the door and the floor. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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FW: Protec Microsystems PRO-83

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Someone contacted me about info on this Z80-based board. Not ever hading heard of it I thought I'd pass it along here. If anyone can help this guy out, please contact him separately. Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collier [mailto:rdcoll@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:57 PM To: rcini(a)msn.com Subject: Protec PRO-83 w/ Z80 Hello, I am also interested in the classic computers and am currently researching one now. I was wondering if you could tell me anything about the Protec Microsystems PRO-83 Z80 Single-Board Computer. Specifically, where can I find information about the power supply and compatible peripherals. I have had difficulty finding any websites which mention this machine. Thanks, Rob

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cdburners

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Doc wrote: > > wget does a great job, and IIRC "mirror" does too. Linux/GNU/*BSD >tools. I dunno about Windows or Mac. wget works well. I've used it under Win2K and various Unix implementations. Antonio

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MicroPDP 11/73

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 4, 17:48, Jerome Fine wrote: > (a) As far as I know, there are no hobby versions, as yet, for TSX-PLUS. > However, if there is enough interest, perhaps we could inquire. I would > certainly be willing to contact S&H to see if they might be interested. > Since I was a sort of distributor for S&H at one point and I already have > my own license, I would be able to support hobby users. SO!!!! Are > there any potential TSX-PLUS hobby users out there who would like > to have this software? Yes! Like Jerome's, one or two of my RT-11 systems are SYSGENed for multi-terminal support. But it's not the same. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Find while at the in-lawst

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > > > > > that they literally use it as a door stop (they have the > > > > monitor in use > > > > proping a door open... makes me cringe every time I am over there). > > <<<<<clipped>>>>> > > > > Wrong machine for the job. Everybody knows that a > > > Timex-Sinclair is the > > > best doorstop. > <<<<<clipped>>>>> > > A commodore 128 also might have a chance of actually wedging into > > the space between the door and the floor. > > > > From: Bryan Pope > OK OK!!! This has gone a little too far!!!!! We've recently lost a PET > to a > manical rampaging battlebot, we don't need to relegate them to door stop > duty. > Bryan - at least you could pull it from the door and still fire it up! :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Mentec Hobbyist Licenses for PDP11 stuff!!!!

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

Woohoo! RSX for the uPDP-11!

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Taking control of your collection

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

I'm in the same predicament... Being unmarried, I haven't had a significant other to rein me in, so as a result I live in a 3000 sq. ft. house, most of which is used for storage. I do manage to keep "paths" clear through each room, though. When I first bought the house (~10 years ago), I built an 800 sq ft. garage with the intention of using it as a workshop. Unfortunately, I filled the garage within less than a year (from scratch...). What's really frightening is that when I bought the house, I was really starting >from zero. My previous (much smaller) home had been completely destroyed in a house fire (long story concerning theft, home invasion and arson...), leaving me with the clothes on my back and little else. The problem is, I _like_ collecting odball systems. I truely believe in preserving the history of the development of computer architectures, and the accompanying enabling technology, and (except for this group, and 1 or 2 private computer museums/clubs) perceive of very little actually being done in the public sector to achieve that goal. I can't say that I actually specialize (although most of my systems consist of SGI, Sun and DEC gear). I've always justified my acquisitions to myself by convincing myself that I was going to net everything together and use 'em for software R&D (AI stuff). If I can ever manage to get a broadband network hookup (another horror story) the I'd like to begin work on an online systems archive. I've finally reached the point, however, when I feel as if I've stepped over an invisible line that separates the rational from the irrational. I finally feel uncomfortable in my home, and I am trying to exert some control over myself. I recently turned down a SparcCenter 2000 (sans CPU boards). I'm quite proud of that (although I don't know if I would have been able to resist it if it had been a 2000E with cpus :-) My current approach is to try to thin out the mess by packing the truck up with stuff I know I'll never get around to, and taking it to a local computer surplus store. No, I'm not selling it to them... I'm _giving_ it to them. They then sort out the stuff they want (out of my sight, thank god) and scrap what they consider useless. In return, they will often cut me a deal on any items they get that seem to be interesting. I'm beginning to believe that the urge to "collect", left unrestricted, can eventually be just as damaging to an individual as an uncontrolled urge to gamble or drink. Perhaps this is just another manifestation of a variant of obsessive/compulsive disorder... Or then again, it could be just plain, ole-fashioned fun :) -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com

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Acquisition from Dad....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

You know, I hit send too early on this message... Anyway, the point is, is there any significance to the scribbled date inside the lid of the Mac II? Can't remember the date exactly... And why would FWB CD-ROM toolkit report the device name of the Bernoulli as Beta150? Did Iomega release a testing device to someone? Lastly, (to Chris, really) I seem to recall that a MacSE/30 (or Classic) that I had sold to someone had a Radius Full Page Display Card in it also. Or am I thinking of the Radius Pivot card in my SE/30? BTW, how is the GatorStar? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > Well, Dad is cleaning out his basement, and gave me a couple boxes of > stuff. Here's what a quick glance in the boxes shows, so far... > > - Hayes SmartModem 1200 > - 2 other external modems > - couple smaller HDDs > - some random cables, including a 6" AUI cable (!) > - couple Mac keyboards > - 3.5" and 5.25" disk cases > - 3 older external SCSI CD-ROMs > ...and he best scores are... > - Radius full page display > - Iomega Bernoulli 150 external drive and 5 carts... > - Macintosh II, with 800K and FDHD floppy drives, with Radius Mac II Full > Page Display Card, and some docs... > > Now to see if it all works... > > --- David A Woyciesjes >

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N* MDS-AD3 disassembly (LONG!)

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

> FWIW, I used the original N* single-density controller as well as the > double-denisty controller on my original Sol back in the late '70's with > no problems - not even when I overclocked the Sol to 2.5 MHz! > > Bob Stek > Saver of Lost Sols Hi, Yea, I figured that eventually I would just go ahead and give it a try. Do you have a format and/or write memory block to disk routine handy? That's what I'm writing now, along with a simple CBIOS, to get a CP/M boot disk built. Thanks, Bill

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Acquisition from Dad....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, Dad is cleaning out his basement, and gave me a couple boxes of stuff. Here's what a quick glance in the boxes shows, so far... - Hayes SmartModem 1200 - 2 other external modems - couple smaller HDDs - some random cables, including a 6" AUI cable (!) - couple Mac keyboards - 3.5" and 5.25" disk cases - 3 older external SCSI CD-ROMs ...and he best scores are... - Radius full page display - Iomega Bernoulli 150 external drive and 5 carts... - Macintosh II, with 800K and FDHD floppy drives, with Radius Mac II Full Page Display Card, and some docs... Now to see if it all works... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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I must bid you all another temporary farewell.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

Due to my upcoming deployment, I regret to inform the group that I must bid you all another temporary farewell. So, if I am unable to get to another computer in about a month from now I wanted to let you guys know that I had a great time & will be back again soon. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3, Disto 512K RAM board. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. "Butterfly": Tandy Model 200, PDD, CCR-82. "Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Titan graphics & MS-DOS board, Comrex HDD. "Scout": Otrona Attache. ____________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Taking control of your collection

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] > >-No books. Only one or 2 max complete reference per system. > Or then it gets > >outta control. > OK, this one I flat out disagree with!!!! Without > documentation an old > computer is worthless. (same goes for software) My DEC hardware I agree, but I read that as "you should only have one or two complete system references for any given machine." More than reasonable, since you should only need one ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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TSX-PLUS (Was MicroPDP 11/73)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hello Pete. I have some machines running RT-11 and I am certainly interested in TSX. For trade (?) I have one CD-ROM with some 200 Mb of TIFF files. They are scans at 600 dpi of a binder of S&H that I have. The binder contains: - System Manager's Guide - TSX-Plus version 5.1 and 5.1C release notes - TSX-Plus version 6.0, 6.01, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.31 release notes - System Manager's Guide version 5 (14 files, total 37.4 Mb) (contents, introduction, chapters 1-9, appendix A, B and index) - Installation Guide version 5 (10 files, total 20.5 Mb) (contents, introduction, chapters 1-5, appendix A, B and index) - TSX-Plus Reference manual 5th edition, 1985 It is printed on Letter-sized paper, and the whole stack is approx 7 cm thick. If you are going to talk to S&H, ask if it is legal to put scans of this documentation on-line. I will happily offer this CD to somebody who can and will host the required web-space for us all to benefit. Quality of the scans is good (IMHO). they are the same as those at http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp - Henk. The Netherlands BTW. I have quite a pile of FMPS from Kees Stravers waiting to be scanned. My days seem to be a few hours too short lately...updating my StarShip site.

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Taking control of your collection

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net] > How do YOU limit your collection when you aren't a Sellam, John Keys > and others with warehouse space. Seriously. It must be a problem that > many of you have made a decision on, even when it wasn't your S.O. > giving an ultimatum. Any guidelines ? Be stern. Give some stuff to other people -- before, or after fixing it up. I try to do that with stuff I'm not as interested in, or won't use much. (Things that I have more than one of, for instance...) That way you at least know it's gone to a good home. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Find while at the in-laws

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>but even so the calculator is small and >I won't have any problems finding room for it. Your in-laws let you keep these things? Lucky bastard. My in-laws won't let me have their Apple IIc+ setup... despite the fact that they literally use it as a door stop (they have the monitor in use proping a door open... makes me cringe every time I am over there). I've offered many times to trade it for a nice brandy spanking new, safety orange, soft rubber door stop... but nope... they just won't let me have it. Someday I'll convince my wife to put her foot down and take it... technically it is her computer. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Digital Research stuff (fwd)

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

Please contact Norman directly if you're interested. Tnx. g. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:06:54 -0800 From: Norman Alcott <normanalcott(a)worldnet.att.net> To: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> Subject: Re: Digital Research stuff Hi Gene, Thanks for the tip. The product information is: CP/M Related Products StarLink: I have one unopened package of StarLink. Information from the package: " Introducing StarLink the computer expansion system. The system lets you link four "dumb" terminals or microcomputers to a single IBM Personal Computer, and function as if it's the only terminal connected to the computer." Features: - Four operating ports - Onboard 8088 Microprocessor and 64K RAM - Concurrent PC=DOS - Shared Data Files - Intersystems Communications CP/M Gold Card: I have two unopened packages of the Gold Card. Information from the package: "The CP/M Gold Card provides the option of running the Apple II, II Plus and IIe with the speed and capability of a more powerful system due to the high-performance, 6Mhz Z-80B microprocessor. At the same time, it gives you instant access to thousands of CP/M compatible applications, languages and programming utilities, in addition to standard Apple Software." Features: - The Z-80 Microprocessor with 64K RAM - CP/M Plus Operating System - CBASIC Language - 80-Column Display - 6Mhz CPU - Menu Driven Utilities - Documentation - Hashed Directory Search - Compatible with any slot Norm

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N* MDS-AD3 disassembly (LONG!)

by r.stek＠snet.net

FWIW, I used the original N* single-density controller as well as the double-denisty controller on my original Sol back in the late '70's with no problems - not even when I overclocked the Sol to 2.5 MHz! Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Taking control of your collection

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 5, Doc wrote: > > Cant agree, lotta reference stuff can be looked up and printed from right of > > the www when needed!!! > > Right up till the day the host goes down or decides the manuals > to their 1985 models are no longer necessary. > A good example is my IBM XStation 150. When I first got it, you could > search IBM support and get full setup instructions and jumper layouts. > About a year ago, IBM pulled all html pages concerning the 150 and > stashed the docs on a very obscure ftp server. At least they did *that*. Most companies just delete it all. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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