- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Hans.Franke＠mch20.sbs.de

Hallo to all members in SoCal. I plan to drop out of the Californian sky this weekend (just stoped by at the travel agency and found out that a flight Munich to LA is way cheaper than Munich New York - in fact even chaeper than a trip to Paderborn and back :). If the crater at LAX isn't too big (and our on board terrrorist doesn't have other plans) I would like to know if there is anything special in the LA area for the WE. Gruss H. BTW: Newsfactor has a nice cartoon about yahoo auctions today http://www.ecommercetimes.com/images/cartoon/king010302.jpg -- VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

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Wanted: Empty SCSI SCA-80 RAID tower...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Eric Dittman > > > Well, I think I may have found that guy. I need to find out if a > > Digital BA 350-SA Storage Shelf is what I'm looking for... > > The BA350 storage shelves are narrow-only. You can't use the > wide SBBs in them. A BA356 would probably be a better choice. > A lot of the newer wide SBBs use SCA drives. > > The BA35x use a proprietary backplane, not an SCA backplane. > Fortunately, you can find the SBBs cheap. > -- > Yeah, probably the same backplane that's in the older AlphaServers here... So, to see if I understand you correctly... - The SBB is the tray for the HDD... - The SBBs for use in the 350, have a 50 pin connector, none have the SCA... -- If so, I wonder if there is room inside the tray to fit a SCA 80-50pin adapter? -If I want to use narrow SCA-80 drives in a Digital Storage Shelf, I should look for the 356 and SBBs for that? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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SCSI Bus Problem?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Julius Sridhar [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Tothwolf wrote: > > SCSI itself is confusing...basically the bus will operate at the fastest > > rate of the slowest device on the bus. > This is simply not the case. This took me a while to get... it would have been better if you'd said "this is not always the case." If I understand properly, you are saying that, for instance, you can plug a fast/wide disk into an ultra bus, and the bus (of course), wouldn't run the fast/wide disk at its highest potential bandwidth. Conversely, a narrow disk in a wide bus would not slow the bus down. On the other hand, I understood Toth to be talking about bus clock only. In that case, his previous statement is as true as yours, which, oddly enough, was made in argument to it. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT: But too funny...

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Begin forwarded message: <original poster's info snipped> Yet another Microsoft Outlook exploit is on the loose... and this time the arrogance of the recommended solution is breathtaking. The problem is the built-in support for UUENCODED text within the body of a message. Prudent programmers will use a starting pattern such as "\n\nbegin ([[:octal:]]+) ([^\n]+)\n" and subsequently verify that each line has the expected format. Even checking only the first few lines (e.g., verifying that the first character correctly encodes the length of the rest of the line) essentially eliminates any chance of a false hit. Sadly, it will surprise few people that Microsoft cuts straight to the heart of the matter. If your line starts with "begin " (possibly with two spaces), Outlook/Outlook Express WILL interpret the rest of the message as a UUENCODED attachment. It doesn't need a preceding blank line, nor a following octal number. It doesn't need subsequent lines that actually look like UUENCODED data. There are some reports on slashdot that later versions of O/OE have discarded the "view source" command, with the effect that the rest of the message is permanently lost to the user. The use of this bug as a DOS attack on mailing lists that use a 'digest' approach is left as an exercise for the reader. Naturally, it hasn't taken long for the malware writers to jump on the bandwagon. All you need to do to get around the "strip executable attachment" killjoys is to put the malware right in the body of the message! Just start a line with "begin 666 www.myparty.yahoo.com" and you're off and running! Microsoft's official position, at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q265230 , is stunning in it's <s>feeble-mindedness</s> simplicity. We, and by "we" I mean every person on the planet who may ever send a message to an O/OE <s>victim</s> user, or have a message forwarded to such users, are advised (with editorial comments) to: * not start messages with the word "begin" (actually, it's *any* line starting with the word "begin". And that's effectively a ban on the word "begin" for anyone using a mail agent with transparent line wrapping, e.g., the web mail portals that some ISPs are pushing.) * capitalize the word "begin," even when used within a sentence. E.g., "We will Begin the new project when Bob returns from his vacation. * Use a different word such as "start" or "commence." E.g., all training materials for new Visual Basic programmers shall henceforce refer to "start/end" loops instead of "begin/end" loops. Microsoft's justification for suggesting a significant change to the English language instead of fixing their bug is given as: "In a SMTP e-mail message, a file attachment that is encoded in UUencode format is defined when the word "begin" is followed by two spaces and then some data,..." Needless to say there is no citation given for this "fact." That's probably related to the fact that UUENCODE was defined by UUCP, not SMTP, and that every encoder/decoder I have seen requires a leading blank line and a octal file permissions code. But the damage is done - since malware is exploiting this bug we now get to put into place filters that don't just strip executable attachments or properly formatted UUENCODED blocks, we also have to strip *improperly* formatted UUENCODED blocks! Bear Giles For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric(a)3times25.net "...the system (Microsoft passport) carries significant risks to users that are not made adequately clear in the technical documentation available."- David P. Kormann and Aviel D. Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research - http://www.avirubin.com/passport.html _______________________________________________ Am-info mailing list Am-info(a)lists.essential.org http://lists.essential.org/mailman/listinfo/am-info -- ##################################################### | Put an end to the collusion of unconscionable | | corporate greed and bootlicking politicians which | | spawns bad law like the DCMA and UCITA. | |---------------------------------------------------| | Take back your rights to make backup copies of | | software, to own/sell the software you buy, and | | to use the software as you see fit. | |---------------------------------------------------| | "No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be | | satisfied until justice rolls down like water and | | righteousness like a mighty stream." MLK 1963 | ##################################################### --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: alg-unsubscribe(a)austinlug.org For additional commands, e-mail: alg-help(a)austinlug.org

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OT: But too funny...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Doc wrote: > > > Yet another Microsoft Outlook exploit is on the loose... and this time the > > arrogance of the recommended solution is breathtaking. The problem is the > > built-in support for UUENCODED text within the body of a message. Prudent > > programmers will use a starting pattern such as > > If people are still using MS Outlook inspite of all the viruses and crap > that have plagued that pathetic piece of shit in the past few years then > they not only deserve whatever damage gets done to their system via such > vehicles but they shouldn't be allowed to use e-mail at all since they > only end up contributing to the greater problem by running it! Until the govt performs a door-to-door search for all the script kiddies, whatever is the most-popular-and-prevalent-platform will be the target for such attacks. You may think that Pine has no way of being exploited (is Mark Crispin on this list?), but wait'll it's the only thing we're using... Seriously, Outlook isn't the source of the stated problems; half-assed, self-taught, sycophantic sysadmins who can't secure their systems are!

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Wanted: Empty SCSI SCA-80 RAID tower...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Dick --- Well, I think I may have found that guy. I need to find out if a Digital BA 350-SA Storage Shelf is what I'm looking for... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Richard Erlacher > > There's a fellow who routinely sells SCA backplanes to be used in such > applications for somewher between 6 and 15 dollars on eBay. I'd look for > those as a starting point. ISTR that he had some for pairs of three > drives > and some for groups of 6. 't seems to me like that will be easier to deal > with than a search for a complete case, which will undoubtedly require a > redundant 500W PSU as well. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Woyciesjes" > > > I figure I'll try here first... > > I'm looking for a case for some SCA-80 SCSI drives I picked up. They > > have plastic Sun drive rails, from their RAID tower, P/N 5402568-03... > > Those rails are useless to me, and therefore up for sale/trade; > > unless of course I can find a Sun box to use them in. > > > > --- David A Woyciesjes >

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StarLink Multi-User System

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Not the same thing, but similar enough to be relevant: AT&T made box (I think with an 80486) called a StarServer. It was a Unix box and had a card that could take two cables that went to "concentrators," which were 12 port (IIRC) addressible serial hubs, each with their own wall wart. The output went to a dumb terminal or serial-interface printer. Concentrators could be daisy-chained, so at least 4 could be hooked to one card in the StarServer. I baby-sat one of these in a law office half a dozen years ago. The concentrators were a real PITA, as they were static sensitive -- I blew one out once with a spark while connecting the RJ45 to a terminal once. Other times I must have looked at the concentrator the wrong way or some such. Got to know the local AT&T/NCR service tech pretty well :). Bob -----Original Message----- From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:07 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: StarLink Multi-User System On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Norman Alcott wrote: > " Introducing StarLink the computer expansion system. The system lets > you link four "dumb" terminals or microcomputers to a single IBM > Personal Computer, and function as if it's the only terminal connected > to the computer." I believe I have something similar to this stored away. It has a full size card (can't remember if it is 8 or 16 bit, think it is 16), and a brown molded plastic "block" with 8 25 pin D-Sub connectors on it. The block connects to the card via a 37 pin D-Sub. Does anyone have any information on it or have the software required to use it? -Toth

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Harris 17188

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

One of the things that I picked up this weekend was an evaluation board for the Harris H17188 IC. I've checked Harris' site and chip directory but I can't find anything on the H17188P. Does anyone know what this IC is? It's in a standard .6" wide 40 pin DIP package and was made in 1995. Joe

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StarLink Multi-User System

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I have docs and software for a similar device made by Digiboard. I think I have drivers for MS DOS, Novell and Xenix. Joe At 11:07 PM 2/11/02 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Norman Alcott wrote: > >> " Introducing StarLink the computer expansion system. The system lets >> you link four "dumb" terminals or microcomputers to a single IBM >> Personal Computer, and function as if it's the only terminal connected >> to the computer." > >I believe I have something similar to this stored away. It has a full size >card (can't remember if it is 8 or 16 bit, think it is 16), and a brown >molded plastic "block" with 8 25 pin D-Sub connectors on it. The block >connects to the card via a 37 pin D-Sub. > >Does anyone have any information on it or have the software required to >use it? > >-Toth > >

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THE best find of the weekend!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Claude Ceccon wrote: > > > Glancing at their site, they have a number of Opto-22 boards. The > > Opto-22 series have a number of inputs and outputs all optically > > isolated. I've got a number of the modules if you are interested... > > I know just about everything there is to know about Opto22 I/O systems, if > you need any help or programming docs or anything... I used to use Quatech I/O boards containing various Opto22 modules (and Quatech interface boards) to build materials handling systems (White carosels, Buschman sorters, scales, etc). But being a programmer and not an EE, I never understood why we needed extra load in the A/C output modules to get a light to turn on. With just a 110v lightbulb, we'd get nothing. But when we plugged in a soldering iron into the same circuit, it would turn on and off as we expected. I can no longer recall how we solved this problem... ideas? -dq

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great site

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > While I sympathize with you here, a couple points: 1) you > probably got a > real good deal on it, which is why you aren't bitching too > loudly ;) 2) > you did ask them to make sure it powered up and it did. They Exactly, and 3) I got it because even in the event that it was broken, I have another shot LD player which may benefit from a source of spare parts. :) > you ask them to stick a laserdics in it and play it on a TV, they will > probably tell you "we don't have a laserdisc to test it with, Actually, the conversation went something like that... > Please note that I am not taking your comments as a > disgruntled buyer, but > am simply stating how they operate. Well, I don't consider myself disgruntled, so that's good. I do hope that next time I deal with them it will be more smooth. > > There was a shipping mix-up on that item, and they sent my LD > > player to somebody else, and send me this guy's mac clone. (I > > think I'd rather have the Mac clone at this point, though the > > LD player may be repairable...) > That's not excusable, but it can be attributed to the > shortage of people > resources. They are run so ragged that these kinds of mistakes can > happen unfortunately. We're working to smooth out the whole process > though. I attributed this to the fact that it was ordered just at the beginning of December, and even ACCRC may have an unusually high volume of orders at that time. > There is one person handling the high-end workstation sales. That's the impression I got... > One day a > laid-off geologist walked in and said "I want to learn some > nifty computer > skills" so they pointed to a pile of workstations and said > "go to work" > (this story is made up but I think it's at least half accurate :) Well, it's at least half convincing, anyway. > The guy taught himself everything about SGI, HP, DEC, etc. > workstations > and went about putting together and testing complete systems > for sale on > Aftermath. He does a pretty good job at it. He was able to find the faulty part. Honestly, I wish I'd been able to do that, myself, but I don't have the stack of SGI pieces to do it :) > That being said, I think he did his darndest to put together > a completely > functional system for you, and I'm sure it was when he boxed > it up. But > something probably happened to it in transit. It seems so -- had you seen the condition it was in when I got it the first time, you would be even more convinced. I think, but can't prove, that at least part of the problem may have been UPS. > Again, lack of resources (specifically people). These guys > will always > uphold their end of the deal and will NEVER screw you. You will NEVER > feel like you got ripped off from them. This is because the > organization > is run by one of the most ethical, honest and > straight-forward people I > have ever met, James Burgett. As far as I have dealt with them so far, that seems correct. I should make it clear that I didn't mean to scare anyone away with my previous message, but I wanted to give a relatively complete picture of my dealings with them. My case is probably exceptional, and I've heard from others who don't have nearly this much trouble. > Again, they will only test it as far as you ask, or as far as > they have > the time and skills to do so. They will never misrepresent > anything they > have for sale. No problem there, of course. They seem to describe their items in complete and accurate terms. > They are incredibly decent folk, and all of them have an expertise in > something, and sometimes it intersects with the expertise you need to > determine if they have what you want :) ... which is, of course, better luck than you'd have at any local store, in my experience. ;) Or maybe I'm cursed, and just shouldn't be allowed to make purchases. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT: Chicago (was RE: Dumpster in the alley.)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

On State Street, as Russ said. Most were south of the Loop, but there was one in the north of the loop at Dearborn & Lake until a few years ago. Most of the active ones are just north of the river now. (I used to work in the Old Court House building on Hubbard & State, and there was/is one across the street. -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:06 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Dumpster in the alley. On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote: > Wacker for bus-only traffic and tore down the adult theaters at the SW > corner of Wacker and State. Harold Washington College wasn;t there then, no They had adult theaters on Wacker Street? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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great site

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: g(a)kurico.com [mailto:g@kurico.com] > Has anyone tryed purchasing anything from these guys? Their > site has come up on > the list before. I have. Just recently, in fact. I purchased two items -- a laserdisc player and an SGI Indy. The Laserdisc player was purchased with the understanding that they'd test it to make sure it powered up. It did, however it was trashed internally. Not a big problem, since I understood that it might be when I purchased it. There was a shipping mix-up on that item, and they sent my LD player to somebody else, and send me this guy's mac clone. (I think I'd rather have the Mac clone at this point, though the LD player may be repairable...) The SGI was supposed to be tested and working, but shipped to me with some problems. The drive sled had become loose in shipping, and somehow managed to knock the RTC out of its socket half-way. Needless to say, it wouldn't power up when I got it. After carefully reseating the RTC, I managed to get it to turn on, but it wouldn't boot properly. I ended up having to ship it back. It seems that the power supply was bad. It was eventually replaced and sent back to me. The system is now in working order, however, the CD drive I got with the system seems to be having some trouble. (seemingly random read errors, for instance) They have offered to ship me a second CD drive and allow me to keep this one (which again may be repairable) for the cost of shipping. (this is really fine with me, since I like that drive, and I'd like to get it working for use as a spare) At any rate, I'm expecting the new drive sometime soon. The problem is that I placed my orders originally in early December. They're a little slow in responding. If you can put up with that, and with the fact that what you order from them may not be well tested -- if my experience is any indication -- I don't imagine you'll have a problem dealing with them. The prices are certainly good. They also seem like decent people, and sometimes know what they're talking about. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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SCSI Bus Problem?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 11, 18:23, Tothwolf wrote: > There are also Differential versions of Fast, Ultra, Wide, and Ultra-Wide. > These use a "high voltage" (+-12VDC IIRC) signaling that is *NOT* > compatible with standard devices. That's not correct. Normal differential, sometimes called high voltage differential to distinguish it from LVDS still uses 5V, same as single-ended. It uses thresholds of 2V and 3V, zero-referenced, with a resistive divider asthe terminator, 150 ohms from ground to signal-, 150 ohms from +V (termpower supply) to signal+, and 330 ohms between signal- and signal+. > You will literally fry any non HVD > devices if you connect a HVD drive to the same bus. Ultra2 and newer have > a Low Voltage Differential bus Similar to normal differential but based on 3.3V instead of 5V, and the maximum bus length is halved. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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RS/6000 keyboard

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Sridhar, I have a RS-6000 keyboard that you can use. And I'm in Orlando. My keyboard was good the last time I used it but that was several years ago. Joe At 07:12 PM 2/10/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi people. I am in need of an RS/6000 keyboard. I need it soon, though. >It doesn't have to be a permanent arrangement (like a sale or something), >it just needs to be a loaner. I am in St. Petersburg, FL at Dave >McGuire's place. > >Peace... Sridhar > >

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Sell Chinese Forklifts

by moonship＠heinfo.net

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Taking control of your collection

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I have a connundrum. I want to thin out my collection of computer artifacts and I'm having problems on what to part with. I also could use the money. Instead, even in the middle of nowhere, far from Toronto where I accumulated all this stuff, I find it growing. The problem isn't lack of space as it once was, but simply to have a manageable hobby. I admit, I'm a packrat, and I transported most of my treasures 2000 mi. shedding replaceable things like couches, beds and appliances justifying that in my waning years I could dribble-sell them off to supplement my pension. (even that huge Dumont tube scope that had been refused as a gift by a list member, shipping would be ridiculous.) Plus the idea of a small computer museum (a Toronto one had once been a justification) in the center of the continent in a totally unexpected environment had some appeal. I don't want to go the route of a massive sell-off like several list-members did, but clearly I have to take control of this addiction. My first fix was only to have a couple of Ataris to supplement what was already becoming a fixation. Then home computers, then CP/M, and you all know the downward spiral. Thenks got, I never got hooked on minis. I just went thru my collection and each time I contemplated selling something off I came up with a valid(?) reason not to. My SCO manuals because they give a good exposition of UNIX and I MIGHT want to install it on one of my boxes, an old 83 business computing text cause it had a pic of my prized Micom system, another text from 73 that had pictures of card processing equipment that I once worked on. Numerous programming how-to's cause I really have to get beyond hardware hacking, and then things like do I really need 2 Kaypros or the H89 I'm going to repair some day. And why in-hell do I have "Lex and YACC", Odysys Development", Computes 1984 "Guide to Adventure Games". Do I really need most of the PS/2s as well as several PS/1s for my IBM collection ? You get the picture. Sure I have things like my Apple IIc LCD display and DRI GEM volume I could sell off for wanted cash, but I WANT to keep them. How do YOU limit your collection when you aren't a Sellam, John Keys and others with warehouse space. Seriously. It must be a problem that many of you have made a decision on, even when it wasn't your S.O. giving an ultimatum. Any guidelines ? Be stern. Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

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StarLink Multi-User System

by normanalcott＠worldnet.att.net

StarLink: I have one unopened package of StarLink. Information from the package: " Introducing StarLink the computer expansion system. The system lets you link four "dumb" terminals or microcomputers to a single IBM Personal Computer, and function as if it's the only terminal connected to the computer." Features: - Four operating ports - Onboard 8088 Microprocessor and 64K RAM - Concurrent PC=DOS - Shared Data Files - Intersystems Communications I am looking to sell this product. Any interest? Norm

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THE best find of the weekend!

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Joe, Sorry I couldn't make the show. While I don't have any micromint specific documentation, there's a good chance I have some of the docs for the STD-BUS computer. Get the numbers off the cards and I'll see what I have. The STD BUS supports all kinds of processors. I have seen systems with processors ranging from a 4004 up to a 486. The most common seem to be Z80 based. What processor is in your system? The systems fall into two general categories. Dedicated controllers with task specific operating systems and general purpose computers. If it's a dedicated system, the OS would be burned in ROM and be of limited use without reprogramming. If it's a general purpose computer, it would most likely run CPM or DOS. If it's a CPM based system and you didn't get any disks, finding a version of CPM that'll run can be a real challenge. I think you should hand the machine off to someone that specializes in STD BUS hardware <grin>. Speaking of Daisy Wheel printers... I prefer to use a daisy wheel for printing plain text stuff. Currently, I have a DIABLO 630 and am having real difficulty talking to it. Seems like when I try to print anything, I get buffer overruns, the wrong chatracters printed, and all kind of other errors. I have tried every possible combination of comm settings, flow control, etc... to no avail. Does anyone know where I can find the specs for setup and handshaking for this printer. See ya, SteveRob >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: THE best find of the weekend! >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:20:14 -0500 > >Besides that nice trinket I also got two Gould logic analyzers, a >MicroMint Std-bus computer... <CLIP> _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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RFC: ClassicCmp Demographics/Geographics

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hey. Along the lines of last week's "specialty" thread, I'm kind of curious where the various members (including and especially lurkers) live. Maybe more to the point, where our various machines and parts dumps reside.... I've managed so far never to touch a database, but this strikes me as an interesting-enough and simple-enough first project. I'm interested in listing and correlating several things: Skillset resources - who knows what, where. For instance, if I had an Amiga with catweasel hardware and I knew Grumpy ol' Fred lived 30 miles away, I might just drive out one Saturday, set it up, and learn something. Or whatever. Collections. Who has what, where. I travel nationwide (when there's work to do, that is), and if I know a list-member lives in the area I'll be in, I might arrange to see their collection, or even do some very rare face-to-face trading. Commercial regional and local parts and components resources. Most of us seem to have pet electronics suppliers in our areas. Wish lists. Who _wants_ what, where. What do we do when we're not playing with very old toys? (Yeah, I know. Look for older toys) We could do this as an online db, although I doubt that we'd want a lot of it public. Comments? Doc

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StarLink Multi-User System

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/11/2002 8:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, normanalcott(a)worldnet.att.net writes: << StarLink: I have one unopened package of StarLink. Information from the package: >> I think I have this setup as well with software called 10link or something like that. Isnt it just ethernet? -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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SCSI Bus Problem?

by vance＠ikickass.org

On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > But as you pointed out, it will slow it down. My boot hard > >> disk is a wide SCSI drive, so I'd just as soon not have it drop back > >> to the SCSI-2 speed of the interface for my scanner, which is an > >> older Relisys Infinity Scorpio. I also use the narrow interface for > >> checking out smaller (40MB-1GB) SCSI hard disks that I pick up. > > > >A narrow device *will not* slow down a wide bus. > > Ok, you're telling me that if I have: > > - a wide SCSI adapter, such as an Adapter 2940U2B, running at > 40mhz and I have the adapter set to SCSI ID# 7 > - a wide SCSI hard disk, such as an IBM DDRS-39130D, set at > SCSI ID# 0 and also running at 40mhz > > The above settings are the default ID# for the 2940U2B and > ID# 0 is the factory default for the boot drive on the Macintosh both > are installed in. 15 total SCSI ID#'s available on the 2940U2B. > > That if I add a narrow SCSI hard disk, take your pick, > running at the fast-SCSI rate of 10mhz, that it won't slow the wide > SCSI bus down? That goes contrary to what I've seen and I've seen > plenty of narrow drives have a problem running on a bus that much > faster. That's why Adaptec's PowerDomain Control software allows you > to manually tailor the bus speed to try and find a happy medium for > all the devices you have on the bus. You're adding another variable. You're adding a disk at *10MHz*. If you add a narrow disk at *40MHz* then it won't slow down the SCSI bus. Peace... Sridhar > I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if I'm > misunderstanding something, and have been for quite a long time if > that's the case, I'd like to be corrected. > > Jeff > -- > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > http://www.cchaven.com > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 > >

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Help them out. Point them to Google. Problem solved. Well, yes and no. Actually this list has been infinitely more helpful to me in recent months than google. :) ISTR, veronica, last I used it, was as helpful as google is now, at least. That's without nearly so much crap to sift through, too. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OnHandPC: help! (missing SDK)

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, Not quite 10-years old, but... I've misplaced the software development kit (SDK) for my OnHandPC (the 16-bit DOS computer on a watch). www.onhandpc.com apparently died, and the domain is now a porn site (no, not "digital", as in the recent thread :) www.matsucom.com apparently also died, and is parked. Does anyone have a copy? (Basically, Cygnus gcc with header files and (IIRC) a translation/reformatting program.) BTW, you can allegedly buy an OnHandPC from "shoplite" at: http://www.shoplite.com/onhand.htm for $225. thanks, Stan Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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rk05 tester

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Is anyone here familiar with a RK05 tester? Any idea exactly what it is, and what it is capable of testing? I'm looking into possibly buying one. -Lawrence LeMay

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Dead CMOS Battery - NEC Powermate portable

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 11, 22:21, Tony Duell wrote: > So yes, it can be got to work. But it's not trivial (as far as I can > remember, the commericial process involved a catalyst as well). Both commercial processes do (well, the NO2 in the lead chamber process isn't strictly a catalyst, but it goes in one end and is mostly recovered at the other, so it's similar). It's a question of speed and yield. > I am not saying that there is _no_ SO3 produced without a catalyst (so > that, for example, I would easily believe that 'acid rain' contains some > sulphric acid produced by the oxidation of SO2 in the atmosphere) It does. A good proportion of SO2 is converted to sulphuric acid by the action of strong sunlight on the SO2 and water vapour. A slow process, though. The major constituents of acid rain are SO2 and various nitrogen oxides, roughly 70% and 30% respectively. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Old HP scanner

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Well, I've seen a few parallel ports that lost their magic smoke after an >external SCSI zip drive was plugged into them. I'd have to say it at least >isn't safe to mix up parallel and scsi ports... I know the Mac SE will survive having its SCSI port connected to a parallel printer. Although the Mac will not boot unil the cable is removed (it will sit with a flashing ? as the printer will confuse it, and it will fail to check the SCSI chain for a boot device). I know this because I had a location do just this... and then bitch that the Mac was dead (and then ship it to me FedEx P1 to fix... costing the company about 10 times the value of the Mac in shipping charges). They left everything connected (literally, they just took a big box, dropped the printer in it, then dropped the SE on top, followed by the keyboard and mouse... leaving ALL cables still interconnected!). One look at the printer cable and I knew what the problem was that was keeping the Mac from booting... I wasn't very surprised the office staff had done this... but I WAS very surprised to see the Mac boot fine as soon as I removed the parallel cable... I had figured they fried the SCSI bus. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Dead CMOS Battery - NEC Powermate portable

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 11, 21:29, Tony Duell wrote: > There are stories of some UK machine (I want to say BBC Master, but...) > being shipped with a lithium battery installed in place of a NiCd but > still having the charger circuit enabled. Apparently it wasn't unheard-of > for said battery to make a large hole in the cover.... It was an Acorn/BBC Master 128, but it only happened once, and it didn't make a hole. However, it did happen in a teaching hospital, so there was rather a lot of fuss about it. When Acorn realised what had happened, they recalled all the lithium battery packs and replaced them with Duracell packs. I worked for Acorn at the time, and was peripherally involved in the recall. Basically, I had to contact/visit all the dealers, education authorities, and service centres in my patch and make sure they surrendered all the lithium packs, both in machines, as held as spares, in exchange for the replacements. Acorn didn't want to risk any repeat performance. I can't remember much of the detail now, but I do remember having a lifetime supply of 3V AA lithium cells (non-rechargable variety). Unfortunately, "lifetime" means "shelf life" :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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What's your specialty?

by thilo.schmidt＠unix-ag.org

On 10-Feb-2002 Tony Duell wrote: [...] > Difficult != impossible. I am told it's difficult to repair HP9100 > calculators. Doesn't mean I don't attempt it ;-) OKOK, I'll try... ;-) [...] > That is possible. I worked on an HP9000/835 a few years back (not my > machine, so I can't check any details now), and I remember that one of > the 'logic' boards had to be in place for the PSU to start up. And it > wasn't just a dummy load -- we tried that. If that's the case I'll have to connect the PSU to the computer to test it :-( bye -- What the gods would destroy they first submit to an IEEE standards committee.

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hp plotter

by KCorp54678＠aol.com

Hello, I had recently purchased a 7550A hp plotter and can't seem to find a users manual or guide, can you help find one? Thanks Mary

24 years, 4 months

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IBM PC cassette drive

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

FWIW Several times there have been discussions on this list about wheather or not IBM ever made cassette drives for use with the original IBM PCs. The general feeling is that they never made any cassette drives or tapes. BUT I was talking to Mike Haas about this recently and he told me that he has an original IBM Diagnstics cassette tape! Today he sent a picture and I've posted it here <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/ibm/ibm-cass.jpg> . As you can see it has the same burgundy color as the standard IBM PC diagnostics disks. Joe

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Old HP scanner

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 11, 9:22, Russ Blakeman wrote: > How many pins does the centronics have? Might be SCSI if it's Centronics 50 > rather than 36. The 20 is probably a db25 that is also an alternate SCSI. You mean "Centronics-style", I think :-) "Centronics" connectors are 36-pin. Anyway, it's not SCSI. It's a proprietary HP interface, and the 20-pin connector is for a proprietary HP sheet feeder. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Dead CMOS Battery - NEC Powermate portable

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 11, 9:44, Joe wrote: > I wa swaiting for his. You're right. but SO2 can react with O2 and > moisture in the air to form H2SO4. In fact, that's how sulfuric acid is (or > was) prodused commercailly. I certain proportion of H2SO3 is also produced > I'm told that it's only a small amount and it's some how removed and > retreated to form H2SO4. No, it's not, and never was. There's practically no reaction at room temperature and pressure. In fact it's very easy to turn SO3 back into SO2 and oxygen. Just leave it alone for a while. In the normal "Contact process", SO2 is passed over a catalyst at about 500 deg F, usually VO5 (Vanadium Pentoxide, not hairspray) commercially, or occasionally platinum (in demos) because it *doesn't* normally react with oxygen. The SO3 is then dissolved in concentrated sulphuric acid (H2SO4) because it doesn't dissolve very rapidly in water, particularly when warm, and and the heat of solution would boil water. The concentrated sulphuric acid becomes fuming sulphuric acid ("oleum", H2S2O7) and cold water is continuously added to reduce that to concentrated sulphuric acid again. The other practical[1] method uses very hot concentrated nitric+sulphuric acid as an oxygen carrier -- again, because the oxidation of SO2 is too slow and the activation energy would be far too high otherwise. The SO2, at about 500 deg F (again) combines with NO2 (from the nitric acid) and water to give H2SO4 and nitric oxide; the nitric oxide is then re-oxidised to nitrogen dioxide, which in water gives nitric acid again. Now all you have to do is separate the two acids. [1] Perfectly practical providing you have some concentrated nitric acid, a whole lot of stainless steel tubing, a couple of lead vessels (this process is called the "lead chamber process") and a tower built of acid-resistant bricks, and a water cooling tower. > Yes, but that's a lot less S02 than the amount in the batteries. I'm not > suggesting that everyone of the room is going to die but if one of the > batteries ruptures, it will certainly empty the room in a hurry! There's not much in a battery. The equivalent of about 1/4 teaspoonful of sulphur at most, and I suspect, much less. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Need docs & drivers for old tape drives

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Yes, yes, yes and yes. I neglected to mention TK50 (but have > a drive), I > don't know what QIC-1000 is but I want a drive for it. And > with regards > to the last two, if you read my message you know that I > already specified > those. Sorry. I did read it, but it's been a couple of days, and I'd forgotten (not surprisingly. :) QIC-1000 is -- I think -- a higher-capacity cartridge drive similar to the QIC-120. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Old HP scanner

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 11, 23:39, Dave Brown wrote: > I recently acquired an old HP scanner- 9190AU. Can anyone give me more > information on this unit- HP don't support it anymore. (it is old!) > > It looks to be almost the original Scanjet, as that's what it has on the > front, HP Scanjet, with no letters or numerals following. The 9190AU > designator is on the nameplate underneath. It has a Centronics connector > on the back and came with a std IBM printer cable, so I guess is a parallel > port version. But there is another oddball ( 20? pin) connector on the back > too. What's it for? > > I don't have any software for it but I believe the original drivers were Win > 3.1x only, so suggestions as to getting software to run it would be useful > as well. It is indeed the original Scanjet; 9195 is the Scanjet+ Both used an HP ISA card with a proprietary parallel interface, but SCSI-like protocols. There is some support for it in SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy). If you look in one of my colleagues's ftp directoriues, you'll find a couple of relevant files: http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/ftpdir/pub/james/hp.diff http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/ftpdir/pub/james/hporig.patch -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Craftsman (was: Microdata "Microprogramming Handbook"

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Craftsman tools were available at any Sears store; Snap-On had a few > outlets, but sold mostly through trucks that went to garages. (One time, > on a cross-country drive, I started having some serious problems with a VW > bus, and pulled over a Snap-On truck on the freeway in Ohio in order to > buy a 30mm (1 3/16) socket) Never pulled them over, but when a Snap-On socket or wrench breaks (twice per decade), I carry them in the glove box until I see a Snap-On dealer truck parked somewhere, then go do business. > A few years back, Sears closed a lot of their stores, and even closed down > their mail-order and catalog operations! The Craftsman Tools catalog remains in publication... > I think that Craftsman is still owned by Sears, but not sure. Anybody > know for sure? Yes, but the firms that actually manufacter the tools no longer have exclusive contracts with Sears. For example, EASCO is one line of hand made by one of the Craftsman manufacturers. Regards, -dq

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IBM PC cassette drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/10/2002 7:23:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com writes: > Several times there have been discussions on this list about wheather or > not IBM ever made cassette drives for use with the original IBM PCs. The > general feeling is that they never made any cassette drives or tapes. BUT I > was talking to Mike Haas about this recently and he told me that he has an > original IBM Diagnstics cassette tape! Today he sent a picture and I've > posted it here <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/ibm/ibm-cass.jpg> . As you > can see it has the same burgundy color as the standard IBM PC diagnostics > disks. > I have the same tape as well. Havent tried it out yet though.

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Sell Chinese Forklifts

by tony.eros＠machm.org

Ouch -- that's cold... At 11:50 AM 2/11/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I like to handle these by sending the postmaster at the offending domain >a nice congratulatory note on having joined the Falun Gong. (I wish I >could say I was the first to come up with the idea, but I saw it on >Usenet.)

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Classic Comp UUCP network.

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 03:48 PM 8/02/2002 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Ron Hudson wrote: > > > Is it just me, or didn't someone here offer to take the > > lead on setting up a ClassicCmp UUCP map months ago? > > Or is that just symptomatic of excessive Red Bull > > intake on my part? > >All depends on what you're mixing it with.... ;) > >Yes, several of us had a full head of steam to do this... >I could dedicate a 486 running Linux to it and could >have it online from 8am to 5pm daily... as long as >someone puts together a step-by-step... We should think about tunnelling UUCP over IP. That way we could use our existing IP links. This would certainly make it easier (read cheaper) for overseas nodes to exist. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

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RISC/OS, IRIX

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > Just out of curiosity, does this indicate that the tapes I > gave you actually > work? ;-) Indeed. :) Some better than others. I was going to start out by installing a relatively early version but couldn't get that particular version to boot. I've taken that to mean that either the version is too old for the M/120, or that I'm booting it improperly. At any rate, I've tried a good three sets of system tapes, all of which seem to work. (Now to get those other computers running...) That said, I plan to back the things up onto images sometime soon, and eventually to try booting one of the M/120s off of a DAT with the image copied onto it, and possibly a CD-ROM with a dump of the newly installed system disk. (That would be amusing if it will work...) I hear from a friend that I may be able to get an external SCSI qic1000(?) soon which would read those tapes without making it necessary to use the MIPS machine for it. I may take that option, since the CD writer is internal, in a different machine. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Classic Comp UUCP network.

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:west@tseinc.com] > Ok, I have been watching the UUCP network thread. I have one > question - WHY? Lots of reasons: JavaScript, Banner Ads, THIS REALLY WORKED FOR ME!!!!, Registration Required, AOL, Microsoft, "You are not using a frames-enabled browser," "Your browser does not support cookies," "These documents are only available in MS Word format," "This page is best viewed in 800x600 resolution with internet explorer 4.0 or greater..." Need I say more? Internet is starting to really suck. Maybe we can all do better out of our own basements. UUCP certainly lowers the bar for entry and maintenance of a useable node to the point where anyone can grab a peesee out of the dumpster and plug in. (Provided that they know at least one person who is already connected...) Everybody has an even chance to participate and contribute. Even those of us who like to use computers that wouldn't generally use TCP. :) A 20 or 30 node UUCP network could probably hold all of the useful information I've seen on the internet in the last three years. As long as the network remains a manageable size, you could probably count on government to not get involved much, and the type of business that caused so much trouble on the internet wouldn't be interested. There's also the fact that the small level of knowledge required to set up a node, or even connect to one would be sufficient to weed out utter idiots. This is no longer true for internet. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Kinda OT but that what's true HW hacker do in a pinch.

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'm still searching for a hand operated coil winding machine. I've only > seen a few, and they were all still in use by other people. If anyone > finds one they don't want, even in non-working or incomplete condition, > let me know. These things are likely considered antiques now. I could be wrong, but I believe these are still listed in the Allied Electronics catalog... -dq

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Classic Comp UUCP network.

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Kennedy [mailto:chris@mainecoon.com] > Uh, just _which_ libertarian ethos was that? ARPAnet had no such > thing, and NFSnet had acceptable use policies up the ass. The only > thing out there that had any such "libertarian ethos" was the > bang-path hell of UUCP connected systems. That's about what I think of it, and personally, I'm all for bringing that bang-path hell back. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Sell Chinese Forklifts

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I like to handle these by sending the postmaster at the offending domain a nice congratulatory note on having joined the Falun Gong. (I wish I could say I was the first to come up with the idea, but I saw it on Usenet.)

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Spectrum makes a comeback

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Girnius [mailto:thedm@sunflower.com] > Believe it or not, some of us are. My first computer was a > Sinclair, I > learned basic on it, I've even chatted on IRC with it at a > blazing 300 baud, > and it was the first computer I ever programmed on, learned > BASIC on it in > fact. It had a great manual that someone whom had never So you learned BASIC on it twice? :) > seen a computer > before could learn more about it. The Sinclair, Spectrum, Speccy or > whatever you wish to refer to them as, was the begining of my computer > knowledge. This foundation has provided the initial blocks > for the 12 years > I have been a Sysadmin professionally for. Oh, did I mention > we had to > solder it together as a kit too? Great. I think there are many people here who love Spectrums, but the question is, why pay money per game to download Spectrum games to your home phone and play them for some limited time, when you can have the real thing probably for much less? :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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8" floppy disks

by oliv555＠arrl.net

> >Anybody have any single-sided, hard-sectored 8" disks they'd be willing to >part with? Need some for the old Wang OIS. > I diverted several dumpster-bound boxes of Nashuas a while back. They are labeled FD-132D WP-R ss/dd Hard-Sec 9024-300. These are not notched, look to be unused, NOS. Let me know if these fit the bill. Yours for the postage. -nick

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RISC/OS, IRIX

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody. I have a curiosity which I hope to satisfy with this question, and I hope that somebody knowledgeable with the history of Silicon Graphics or MIPS can help me out here. On working with the MIPS RISComputers that I have (one in full working order -- no drive light yet -- with three more and a drive light to follow), it occurs to me that the entire feel of the machine is astoundingly close to that of an SGI. To give some examples: The boot monitor is somewhat close -- using the same or similar commands, and the same or similar naming scheme for devices. The install script for RISC/OS and SGIs 'inst' are similar in ways. The FROM environment variable in the RISC/OS installer, and the 'from' command in inst, as an example. Directory structure is very close, and the configuration files seem to be in very similar locations -- by this, I mean more so than is normal between different unix systems. "The System is Coming Up" (Yes, this message is in the default install for both systems) These are all just superficial things, but they lead me to guess that there was a large amount of heritage from RISC/OS to modern IRIX. I assume this would have shown up around IRIX 2.0 (was 1.0 the IRIS 2000/3000 version?) Does anyone know whether I've come to the wrong conclusion? Does anyone know how deep the resemblance goes? I would be tempted to try a RISC/OS binary on an IRIX system at some point. In short, is anyone familiar enough with Silicon Graphics and/ or MIPS to explain this? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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What am I missing?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Fine [mailto:jhfine@postoffice.idirect.com] > I have a problem - am I the one at fault? I'm not sure there's a "fault" here. I certainly wouldn't blame you for wanting to do a proper backup. > (a) The firmware/software for the "RAID 1" controller seems to > NOT have anything that will alert the user to be able to identify > which disk drive might be bad even after a drive failure, let alone > intermittent errors. Well, if a drive fails completely, just unplug one, and if the system still boots, you've unplugged the failed unit ;) > (b) Even though my current files are (seemingly) all correct and > I have two duplicate copies, when I said that I was was going to > restore from my initial back-up from CD (I currently have no > data files, just the installed software), I was looked at as if > I was a bit crazy - why would I do a recovery if there is nothing > wrong? Even though I attempted to explain that a full back-up Personally, I'd recover to a "spare" disk, and try that disk out afterwards. No reason to possibly trash a more-or-less working installation if the recovery fails the first time. Otherwise it sounds reasonable. > includes the total recovery from scratch - at least a few times > at the beginning to establish that the procedure works, that attitude > is considered overcautious to say the least - at the worst it is: > "So what if you loose all you files, you can always rebuild the > system from scratch if you have to?" These individuals seem > to have never heard of data files - like in a legal office, the > client records don't need to be kept since everything in published > law books is how to start all over again after a fire. I think this is the windows mindset. "We can always re-build the entire system, data files and all (since our data files will all be corrupt by then) once a month or so." Some people tell me that they've had better luck with windows than this, of course, YMMV. The point is that after losing so much data to poor practices -- on the part of the user, and the people who wrote the o/s -- what's there to be afraid of? Taken a step further, what's the point in a backup at all? That's not my attitude, but I've seen it. It also seems that most "new" system management types consider backups to simply be an annoyance, and more often than not will do anything possible to get out of having to restore anything... > Is this attitude common in industry? Am I wrong? I know that > my wife has a cousin who works for an accountant who > NEVER makes a back-up of the client files. I try not to do business with people who have such poor data management practices... Had you given the name of the business, this would have probably kept me away from them for life. > If I am correct, is there any way to get my point across or is > this a Catch-22 situation? Wait until there is a failure and they actually need a backup. Announce that you have a backup, indeed, but it only contains 9000 copies of a file called README. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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NEW email address

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

To all those on the list - I'm finally getting around to severing all ties with my old company. Please make a note of my new email address jwest(a)classiccmp.org The old address (west(a)tseinc.com) is no longer active Regards, Jay West

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WHERE IS YOUR MUSEUM? Was:Re: What's your specialty?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John R. Keys Jr. [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net] > Sent: 11 February 2002 15:44 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: WHERE IS YOUR MUSEUM? Was:Re: What's your specialty? > > > It's nice to see someone else reaching their goal with having > a museum. > Where is it located? Best of luck with it. Ta :) It's in the North-East of England. The building itself needs a lot of cleaning up since the current occupier has a plaster moulding company - the whole place is practically white top to bottom! The roof needs fixing and it needs security measures too, but size wise it's spot on, and the ground floor is concrete so there's space for some big DEC iron there too...... Best of all it's 50 yards from the house..... a www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk

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