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OT: Red Green (was..3M Super Strength Adhevise SUCKS!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> PBS (Pretty Bogus System) shows it, one channel shows the ^^^ Petroleum Broadcasting System... ;)

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Rant about cars and how stupid the world is with stupid people running it

by fauradon＠beckman.com

I'm breaking the law and responding from work. This is probably full of HTML too but hey here goes. <RANT> I can think of something more stupid than DRL and that is to use the friggin' parking lights as DRL.OK repeat after me PARKING LIGHT, PARKING LIGHT. I can see the use of DRL for safety reasons but for bob's sake don't use the parking lights. Actually nobody ever use these when they should. I like the idea of DRL because there are way too many morrons that believe that if they can see where they are going they can be seen or maybe they just don't believe that they need to be seen. I'll stop here since this is not a driving forum But leave them friggin' parking lights for parking damnit! </RANT> Have a nice day Francois >Day-time running lights are a conspiracy by the headlight industry to sell >more headlights. > >I can't think of anything more stupid at the moment.? If you can't see a >car in the daylight with or without it's headlights on, YOU SHOULD NOT BE >ALLOWED TO DRIVE!!!

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FT: Qbus SCSI Controllers available FT

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

The following Qbus SCSI controllers are available for trade. Some combination of AD, DA, or Parallel interfaces might be acceptable. Other reasonable trades might also be considered. Will ship internationallly. If you have anything interesting enough, I might be willing to pick up all the shipping costs both ways, even internationally. mailto:dec.parts@verizon.net NOTE: Excerpt from ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 2 2.4 Can I post advertisements? Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. Aviv_QSA_50-1276_Rev_F1 http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Aviv_QSA_50-1276_Rev_F1_.jpg Dilog_SQ706_Rev_A http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Dilog_SQ706_Rev_A_.jpg Emulex_UC07_10401-01_Rev_F http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Emulex_UC07_10401-01_Rev_F_… Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_SN-BBH5341 http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_… Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_SN-BBH5402 http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_… MTI_QTS25_Rev_D http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/MTI_QTS25_Rev_D_.jpg

24 years, 4 months

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HP Cxxx drive rails, & moulding plastic

by timwa＠snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

Tothwolf wrote: >> The easy question is, "does anyone have any spare rails they can sell >> me," so I'll ask it anyway but I'm not expecting a yes <grin>. I >> suspect these things are like hens' teeth, and HP no longer make them >> apparently. > What do these look like? I've got piles of rails I'll likely never use, > but I wouldn't know HP rails from another type... I haven't examined one in detail myself yet, but I'll try and describe them :-). They are basically black plastic strips, about the same length as the drive they attach to. They are around 1cm wide and prob. around 4mm thick. The plastic strip screws to the side of the drive, so that the drive can then slide into metal rails in the HP drive cage. At one end of the strip is a tab which locks into holes on either side of the drive cage holding the drive into position - you release the drive by pushing the two tabs in at the side and then sliding the drive out. I'll try and point the old IndyCam at one of them tonight and get a picture! Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Walls at home in Croydon - Reply to tim(a)snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

24 years, 4 months

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Destructive charities (was: STAPLES STORES...)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] > To me, that's like driving a model-T, and not being > able to go on the > expressway because it doesn't go over 40 MPH. And the only > reason you're > driving it is because it's "repairable". Not because it's an > antique or > collectable, or a family hierloom. No, it's more like driving a cobra that everyone thinks is a model-t. Yes, obviously they're too stupid to realize that 20 or more years of age doesn't mean that it's useless. :) No it doesn't have all of the "safety" features of newer cars, but just don't crash and you'll be fine ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 4 months

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misc boards in with some Amiga stuff

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

My partner in crime came up with a bunch of (unknown condition) Amiga Zorro boards . . . . Two we couldn't identify: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PC video card (8 bit ISA), 6.5" long, has RGB VIDEO & COMPUTER VM-1 silk screened in the upper LH corner. Has 5 BNC jacks on backplate, 2 Zilog IC's (Z80 and Z85C300???), and two DIP switch banks (8 ea). Also has a short 10 cond. ribbon cable going to a DB9F on a card bracket. (CGA/EGA monitor??) I'm guessing it may be a CGA/EGA card with BNC outs for the early color monitors..5 jacks --------> R,G,B, H & V sync??? No markings on card bracket. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Second card looks like it may be a PC board TBC: Digital Processing Systems 743-750 USX rev 1. Also has MADE IN CANADA. No FCC number to xref. 4 phono (RCA) jacks on the back, and one center off toggle switch, spring loaded. Your guess is as good as mine. Gary Hildebrand ST. JOseph, MO

24 years, 4 months

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qbus memory M7639

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, I just received a package today of 4 qbus cards, that I purchased via Ebay. Two of the cards are memory, one of which I have just slid into my Vax 3400, and "show mem" displays it's presence just fine. I now have 52 megs of ram installed. My question is about this M7639 board. The Field Guide lists it as 64 megs of Qbus memory. It has a different connector, that what my ribbon cable in my 3400 uses. Is this for a Vax, or something else? The Field Guide has a "DS" listed, is that a DEC Station? I was hoping I could use this in my 3400! Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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OT Quad audio amps (was: cleaning pots on my vintage audio amp)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> > I don't think I've ever used the headphone jack..... I don't have any > headphones :-) It's been a long time since I've used them often..... > usually when I was young (mid to late 80's) listening to the radio, when > I was supposed to be sleeping :-) I use 'em when I'm recording overdubs, and also when my wife is asleep ;>) [re fisher 404] > Do you have a picture of it? I'd love to see it. Quadraphonic > Equipment is something I've never seen at Goodwill. Either most people > got rid of it long ago, or people are hanging on to it. It's pretty plain-looking -- just a box with some knobs and sliders, and a joystick in the middle. We don't use it for quad at the present -- we have a pair of Bose 501s hung off it, and the sound is great, although you couldn't tell by looking at it ;>) Some day I'll convince Deb that we should make use of the quad and buy (or build) four new cabinets, and I'll move the 501s to my studio :>) Glen 0/0

24 years, 4 months

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OT: Rant about cars and how stupid the world is with stupid people running it

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Day-time running lights are a conspiracy by the headlight industry to sell >more headlights. > >I can't think of anything more stupid at the moment. If you can't see a >car in the daylight with or without it's headlights on, YOU SHOULD NOT BE >ALLOWED TO DRIVE!!! The original intent of them was to make sure people had headlights on at dusk, dawn, and in poor weather. But many cars have had the light sensors skipped out of designs to save money, meaning the lights stay on all the time instead (and naturally, that money saver is turned into a "feature" so they can charge more for the car). For anyone that routinely deals with cutting wrecked cars off of people... many of these seemingly "conspiracy" safety changes are actually a welcome addition to the standard automobile. Yes... it is true... you need to be pretty stupid to not turn your lights on when it starts to get dark out... but there are an amazing number of stupid people on the road... and stupid people aren't the lives we are trying to save, it is lives of the smart ones the stupid people take. Much like drunk driving laws... we don't give a rats ass about saving the drunks... we get sick of moping the sober people off the highway, and watching the drunks walk away. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 4 months

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IBM Server 500

by pcautomation＠mindspring.com

I purchased an IBM Server 500 series computer yesterday at a yard sale for only $10.. It's a pentium 90 with 64 RAM, CDROM, 2.88 Floppy drive, and (5 ea. ) 2.25 Gig Wide SCSI-2 hard drive in it. It's a very big case that holds a total of 12 SCSI drives, and a mix of other things. When I got it home I power it up and it booted up up nicely with a Novel 3.12 OS (100) user licence. I was thrilled until the power supply made a pop and , a small Cap must have blown. and now it has no power.. I would have loved to use this as a home server, but I really don't have the knowledge to repair the PS and I really see no real value in this machine other than it's 5 SCSI-2 Wide Hard Drives.. Any Ideas from the experts here.. ?? Phil..

24 years, 4 months

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Calling all borgs!!

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Please! I want your borg lines! I want them to create a new file for "fortune" (of linux/Unix fame) will also post compiled to the list! (I am also copying my other list so they can help out too!) I am Homer Simpson of Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be... ooooohh donuts! Roger Merchberger wrote: > "I am Dyslexus of Borg. Your ass will be laminated." ;-)

24 years, 4 months

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Average lifting weight

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok, maybe some people with more experience lifting classic hardware can help me out here. I'm definitely going to get that prime that was offered here recently. It looks by the pictures to be about waist-high, but they tell me it's about 600lbs. That sounds heavy to me. :) Out of curiosity, is this normal? Deskside SGIs manage to be much lighter, while being almost as large. Admittedly, that includes a terminal, and a large (8U?) terminal server. I've estimated that stuff at about 100 pounds generously (I think), which leaves 500 in the machine. My question is, does anyone know how many people it takes to lift this comfortably? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 4 months

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Tapes for RSX-11M Plus 3.0

by William.King＠dadaboom.com

Well, as a matter of fact, I do. What do you need? Bill

24 years, 4 months

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Calling all borgs!!

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Wish I'd seen the video for this one: I'm loBorgus of Cute. Your ass'l be mated, honey. - Mark

24 years, 4 months

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ID this SGI keyboard.

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I'm trying to find a R3k Indigo keyboard for Robert Sandwell in the UK. Yesterday I picked up an SGI keyboard. By buddy Bob who usually knows this stuff says that it's for a PC with a PS/2 port and not for a "real" SGI. But this site <http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0IHqXFzA1FIC:lists.sunhelp.org/piperma il/rescue/2001-August/024941.html+SGI+keyboard+9500829&hl=en> says that it will work on a R4k Indigo 2. Does anyone know for sure what system it's for? It looks like a standard 101 key PC keyboard and is marked "PN 9500829 U.S. AT-101 keyboard" and has the ten foot long cable exactly as described on the website. Joe

24 years, 4 months

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HP Cxxx drive rails, & moulding plastic

by timwa＠snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

I know HP Cxxx boxes aren't strictly speaking classic, but they will be one day and peeps on here are likely to know the answer :-). I've got an HP C180 and want to fit some more drives, but I'm short of the plastic rails you use to fit them. The easy question is, "does anyone have any spare rails they can sell me," so I'll ask it anyway but I'm not expecting a yes <grin>. I suspect these things are like hens' teeth, and HP no longer make them apparently. So, plan B was to make some myself. I haven't examined one in detail yet, but making a mould should be pretty simple - all I need is some molten plastic and Bob's my uncle... Of course, I haven't ever actually tried anything like this <grin>. Anyone have any recommendations - am I mad to even try this? If not, I'll be after a thermoplastic with a reasonably low melting point (got to be able to melt it on a domestic gas hob![1],) which is easy to handle and sets to a flexible solid (plastic tie-wrap kind of thing.) Is this sort of stuff available to a 'consumer' in a suitable form (eg. chips or powder?) Plan C involves Velcro, but the HP's are so nicely put together it seems a crime to do too much of a botch job :-). Cheers, Tim. [1] Or using my trusty gas soldering iron/blow torch... -- Tim Walls at home in Croydon - Reply to tim(a)snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

24 years, 4 months

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Varian 402 Data Station

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Sellam, can you post a pic? This thing sounds cool (I'm a sucker for oddball eight-bitters). Glen 0/0 ---------- > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)vintage.org> > To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Varian 402 Data Station > Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:50 PM > > > I found a Varian 402 Data Station. It's basically a Z80 machine with a > built-in CRT, 2 disk drives, and a thermal printer. It's huge. > > When I fire it up, I get no activity on the CRT, but the thermal printer > goes into a self-test, pauses for a moment, then repeats. It does this > endlessly, so something must be wrong. > > No activity on the disk drives either. > > A Google search turned up nothing useful. > > Anyone have any experience with these things? > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > >

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NEC Multisync Color Monitor - $25

by vcf＠vintage.org

I have here an excess NEC MultiSync Color monitor (model JC-1401P3A) that is very useful for the vintage microcomputer enthusiast. It can connect up to pretty much anything--analog, TTL, RGB--with different color modes and depths and stuff. Maximum resolution is 640x480. Here's some specs for it: http://www.griffintechnology.com/monitors/NEC25.html More info regarding capabilities can be found with a web search. Here are two pictures of this unit (front and back respectively): http://siconic.com/computers/multisync1.JPG http://siconic.com/computers/multisync2.JPG Cosmetically it's in decent shape. Of course, it works. I'm asking $25 for it plus shipping. Shipping to the east coast will be around $23, half that to the west coast, and somewhere in the middle for anywhere in between. I'll consider shipping to Canada without thinking about it too much, or internationally if I have time. If there's enough interest, I may have one or two more to sell. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

24 years, 4 months

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IC's

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I just got a butload of IC's from Purdue Salvage, and was wondering if anyone could help me identify a few of the ones I couldn't google a description of. T5650, T5670, T5681. Company logo on chip looks like an X with a P on it, or an italic P with a \ through it to make an X with its stem. All approx 18-pins and DIP (could be 16). 353BN 8-pin DIP National Semiconductor IC L1A3220 44-pin QFP surface mount IC triangle (upside-down delta) logo L3036FN-C 44-pin QFP "ST" logo N8T125 20-pin DIP "SA" logo OMA110 6-pin (optocoupler?) OP27FP 8-pin (OpAmp?) Also if you could point me to a source for data on any of the above, I'd be very greatful. -- Pat

24 years, 4 months

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From Scratch?... (was: Radio Shack (Was: STAPLES ....))

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote: > I live in Silicon Valley, and the places to get component > type stuff are dwindling. Radio Shack no longer carries much > of the components they used to. I went into Frys for a 100K > pot the other day (for paddles for an apple II (ob ot)) and > there were NO pots... Radio Shack had various values but not > 100 K. A small hole in the wall was the same (Schad elec- > tronics on 1st street) It's not just you. It's cheaper to manufacture stuff elsewhere now (seen on bottom of iBook: "Designed by Apple in California Assembled in Taiwan") so there are fewer surplus lots of components for these folks to buy cheap and sell dear. The wacky commercial real estate market of the dot-com boom didn't help matters either, it forced some of these folks out of business. Take a look at <http://www.kce.com/junk.htm> for starters. Diffs that I know of: Curtiss Trading Co. is gone. RA Enterprises is gone. Sharon Industries is somewhere else now. Alltronics is apparently mostly web-and-mail order these days, for a while they had moved in with Schad but this appears to have not lasted. Follow the link at the bottom to Bruce Lane's page: <http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/calswap.html>, which has a lot of the same information as on the kce.com page, but you will find that Opinions Vary. Sometimes you really need to go see for yourself. -Frank McConnell

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ID this SGI keyboard.

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] > I'm trying to find a R3k Indigo keyboard for Robert > Sandwell in the UK. > Yesterday I picked up an SGI keyboard. By buddy Bob who > usually knows this > stuff says that it's for a PC with a PS/2 port and not for a > "real" SGI. He doesn't know his SGI, then. Indigo2 and (at least) most SGI desktop systems since have used the PS/2 keyboard and mouse interfaces. I have an Indigo2, myself, and I believe the keyboard and mouse are interchangeable with a peesee (but slightly nicer than normal peesee stuff) > But this site > <http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0IHqXFzA1FIC:lists.sunhe > lp.org/piperma > il/rescue/2001-August/024941.html+SGI+keyboard+9500829&hl=en> > says that it > will work on a R4k Indigo 2. Does anyone know for sure what ...maybe those used it too... I'm not sure. > system it's > for? It looks like a standard 101 key PC keyboard and is marked "PN They do. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 4 months

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Average lifting weight

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Does it come apart at all? Removing PSUs and drives can help a lot. Trying to find that out. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT: cars, vettes, & plastic

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

>>Mike Ford wrote: >>>What was the name of the 70's era plastic car? (no not a vette) It looked >>>kind of like a bigger Delorean, and lasted not as long on the market. Ferrari 308GTB (I think) - plastic for 1 year, in 77. Can't be an Esprit...thats the DeLorean's prototype :-/ Lotus car design maxim - "Add lightness". J. Delorean's answer? "Lets build the mother in Stainless Steel...." //Rich

24 years, 4 months

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(UK interest only) 9-T MT on eBay

by andyh＠andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk

Item # 2002499129 is a HP 88780B Tape Drive (SCSI) This is on topic as the one I have is over 10 years old :-) Very heavy (definitely not recommended as a one-person lift!) ... collect >from Portslade (between Hove and Shoreham near Brighton). Don't know whether this particular example has 800bpi or only 1600 and 6250 No connection with vendor other than as a satisfied customer. (his workroom is an Aladins' cave - I just wish I had had time this morning to investigate further) Andy

24 years, 4 months

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OT: cleaning pots on my vintage audio amp

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> After posting I realized that I neglected to mention that the humidity here in Florida most likely contributes to the problem. > Tuner cleaner? Okay, I'll look for it at Radio Shack. I don't know > else where to look around here. Also known as "contact cleaner." MCM sells a dozen different ones, including Rawn Contact Cleaner at $4.99 for the 9 oz. can. Or, you could visit a TV repair shop and ask if they'd sell you a can or two. I use a lot of the stuff as it works well for cleaning the contacts on computer expansion cards and slots, etc. > Your speaking of the line level connections? Yup, and the headphone jack if there's one present on your amp or other device. > I for got how heavy this monster is..... it's got to be about 40 lbs!! Yeah, my Fisher 404 quadraphonic tuner/amp out in the living-room contains massive transformers and is *not fun* to move. That sucker really rocks, though -- I can't turn it up much past 2 1/2 and still stay in the room ;>) The AM tuner's starting to drift so I'll have to deal with that some day. Glen 0/0

24 years, 4 months

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Tandon TM100 (was Destructive charities (was: STAPLES STORES...))

by mhstein＠usa.net

Oooh,Oooh!!! <Jumping up & down 'cause it's the first, and no doubt the last, time that I've got a manual that Tony doesn't> I'VE got a TM100 Technical Manual !!!! (and a pile of TM100's, although not many, if any, to spare). In fact, I recently sent someone scans of the three main schematics, so if anybody needs 'em, no problemo, still got 'em (tif format) A popular source for stepper projects, and there are quite a few tech articles on the web by people who've built camera & telescope mounts, etc. with 'em & interfaced to printer ports. mike ----------Original Message------------- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Destructive charities (was: STAPLES STORES...) > > and the schematics are easy to get. > > Oh? Now that would be a help, where from? IBM Options and Adapters TechRef, TRS-80 Model 3 service manual. To name but 2 manuals I have that contain said schematics. I guess there would have been an official Tandon service manual, but I've not seen it (yet).

24 years, 4 months

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Average lifting weight

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 12:12 PM 2/19/02 -0600, you wrote: > >My question is, does anyone know how many people it takes >to lift this comfortably? The amount of allowable lift weight has gone steadily down. When I was in the USAF (mid '70s) it was 75 lbs for a man. It's since been lowered to 50 lbs and about 10 -12 years ago was lowered again to 40 lbs. I'd say that you'll need *at least* six big strong guys. If they're not big and strong, you'll need up to twice as many. Joe

24 years, 4 months

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Radio Shack

by ceby2＠csc.com

If you go motoring in the DeLorean, just remember to bring heavy weather gear. DeLoreans have many less than admirable qualities to compliment their geek-appeal. They leak from every passenger compartment related gasket and seal -- especially the windscreen. They have the go of a Volvo wagon -- because that's where they got the engine (not that this was such a bad thing in 1981-2) just don't try any Porche slaying. They also have unreliable cooling systems. This has nothing to do with the location of the engine. It's because the radiators up front and the lines running back to front corrode with breath-taking speed and performance.... almost that of a Volvo wagon. I became overly intimate with the long dead marque, when a flatmate ( full time truck mechanic) took such a beast on as a side project. It haunted the driveway for six months, making it damned awkward to get my Kawasaki in and out of it's paddock. Can't say he ever had a kind word for the stainless steel lawn ornament. He was just glad someone was giddy enough to want it fixed up. The DeLorean's owner got well and truly milked. My flatmate used is ne're do well gains to got well and truly sauced. I can, as a result, say that if you wanted to get a computer into a DeLorean -- you'll require the upgraded shink-a-matic ray gun. The standard model would never hack it. Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Christopher Smith wrote: > Well, provided you could fill some of it up with boards and disks, > in such a way that it would function as a computer, the DeLorian > itself may be considered a REAL computer, since it has wheels, and > a sufficiently large case. Real computer or not, it is one of the most impressive cars I've ever sat in. One of my geek friends owns one, and has promised me that the next time he runs it He'll give me a ride. I have every hope of upgrading that ticket to a chance to drive it. Just getting in the driver's seat is sweet. In the immortal words of my auto-dealer grandfather, "It makes yer butt laugh just sittin in it!" Doc, who didn't see any straw-holder either.

24 years, 4 months

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STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I'd not thought of there being a con trick where you return an >essentially worthless box full of junk for resale (I assume that's what >happened here). I check the contents of boxes in case the manufacturer >made a genuine mistake. And sometimes the manufacturer DOES make mistakes, or at least have packing mishaps. I bought a VCR from PC Richards (actually 6 identical ones, don't ask...). All were fine, except for one... it looked like a car that had been wrapped around a tree. The entire front of the VCR was smashed, and obviously against some round object. The front was rolled back almost halfway thru the VCR... it was actually quiet funny (and I am bummed I didn't think of taking a picture). The box was in perfect condition, and so was the styrofoam shell. Which means the damage occured BEFORE being boxed (with this degree of damage, I would think it would have been caught in packaging... so it might have been deliberate from a disgruntled employee). Fortunatly, the staff at PC Richards got as much of a laugh about the damage as I did... and didn't hesitate to allow me to exchange it for another identical unit (but only after calling almost every sales person over to take a look at it) Ever since then, right before a store sticks that "you opened the box" sticker on it... I slice the boxes open, and give a quick look over what I just bought. (And since then, the local PC Richard has started opening all electronics and showing them to the customer before they leave... I think that was probably just coincidental timing of a company policy however... I can't believe my $60 VCR had any sweeping effects on store policy). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 4 months

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OT: Source for XMS driver

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have the source code to a sample XMS driver like HIMEM.SYS? Another learning project is in the works... As always, thanks. Rich

24 years, 4 months

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Anybody need a couple of Redstones?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Spotted at a scrap place today. Two Redstone computers. They look like Apple IIs. Steve Roberts will be stopping by the place Wednesday. I suspect he can pick them up if anyone is willing to pay him a few bucks to cover the gas and packing and shipping. These are a bit rough. The covers are off and all the cards removed (I dont know if they'll run without cards or not), one cover is there but I didn't see the other. Also some keys missing. I din't dig all the way to the bottom of the bin so there may be moreof them there. Joe

24 years, 4 months

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Average lifting weight

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Generally, taking these large machines apart is the best solution. Then you can handle the individual pieces yourself... --tom At 12:12 PM 2/19/02 -0600, you wrote: >Ok, maybe some people with more experience lifting classic >hardware can help me out here. I'm definitely going to get >that prime that was offered here recently. > >It looks by the pictures to be about waist-high, but they >tell me it's about 600lbs. That sounds heavy to me. :) > >Out of curiosity, is this normal? Deskside SGIs manage to >be much lighter, while being almost as large. > >Admittedly, that includes a terminal, and a large (8U?) >terminal server. I've estimated that stuff at about >100 pounds generously (I think), which leaves 500 in the >machine. > >My question is, does anyone know how many people it takes >to lift this comfortably? > >Chris > >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, IL > >/usr/bin/perl -e ' >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' > > >

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YE Data 8" floppy drives

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just picked up a pair of SUPER NICE HH 8" floppy drives made by YE Data. These are even nicer than the Mitsubishi drives that I found a couple of years. ago. Does anyone have any setup/jumper information about them? They're model # YD 180. Joe

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Tapes for RSX-11M Plus 3.0

by pdp11＠bellsouth.net

Does anybody have distribution tapes for RSX-11M Plus v3.0? -- Doug Carman pdp11 at bellsouth dot net

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VMS Question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > OK, now that I have a bunch of 9-track tapes, how do I dump a > copy of the > tape to a file? I've found "mount /foreign mua0:" and "dump /out=bleh Any problem with mount/foreign mua0: and then copy mua0: <file> ? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Drive inventory

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Fine [mailto:jhfine@idirect.com] > > Speaking of iomega hardware in the basement... :) > > I have a 1/4 length 8-bit ISA board that looks like a SCSI > > controller, and is stamped with the iomega logo. Anyone know > > what it might be, or where to get drivers? > When I first found an Iomega SCSI internal Zip 100 drive, it > included an ISA Adaptec AVA-1502 board which measures > 5 1/4" by 1 3/4". There is one "exposed" 50 pin male header, > one major chip about 1" square and a couple of other bits. > It works VERY well on a Pentium 166 MMX using W95. The dimensions are quite a bit different on this board -- It's taller. It also has a DB25 plug. Is your board marked as Adaptec? This one isn't... Also, is your board 8-bit ISA? :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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HP GPIB Cables

by Glenn.Farmer＠picolight.com

Hello, I'm looking for some HP GPIB cables. I need 5 one meter and 3 two meter cables. Must be the HP metal ended ones. Have any available? Glenn Farmer Test Engineering Picolight Inc.

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OT: cleaning pots on my vintage audio amp

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

McIntosh MC7270 power amp, 80-90 pounds. I had to schlep it into the house when my mother bought it. Upon opening the box, we discovered that it was bolted to a 3/4" sheet of particle board in the bottom, to keep it >from bursting through the box. --James B.

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IBM PC Server 500

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/19/2002 12:09:19 AM Central Standard Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > Well, it is an all Microchannel machine, it's the "biggest" "best" IBM > > PS/2. > > Actually, I think the PS/2 195, 295, and PC Server 720 are bigger and > better. > Ive never heard of the 195 and 295. There is the 720 and one other I think as well as a PC700 6886 series that's PCI and MCA. I think, therefore I am dangerous --

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anybody need an '87 Inmos databook? Transputers

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I found this at a surplus place yesterday and thought somebody on the list would want it since it's full of Transputer parts. Like new condition. I'll swap it for something that I can use. (8" floppy drive manuals would be nice). Joe

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Dynabyte Monarch computer?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone on the list have one of these? I just picked up a technical manual for them and they sure sound impressive. Joe

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New CPM find today - Lobo

by loquinaz＠earthlink.net

As I recall, the Lobo was very flexible in the drives it would support - 8" single or double sided, 5 1/4" single sides, or double sides, single or double density. It would also support the Shugart HD interface (which, I believe, later became SCSI)

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need a cheap source of 1Meg x 1 DIP chips

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I have several Amiga 8-up memory boards that use these chips, and I don't want to spend a small fortune for a couple megs of memory. I"ve been loking for old video cards, etc. Maybe some of the older XT and AT style PC's might have some memory expander cards that use these. I'd appreciate any leads, or chips . . . . . Gary HIldebrand St. Joseph, MO

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YE Data 8" floppy drives

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > "This model(YD-180) is many specification so that we couldn't answer. > > Thanks > Y.Morizumi/Y-E Data " ROFLMAO!!! Joe, that really is a classic! Translation: "We have no idea WTF this product is, even though we once sold it. Good luck." I received a similar correspondence a few years back: "Dear Mr. Goodwin, the answer to your question is not obvious. Kind regards, Yoshio Takashima, N.P.S. Trading Co." Glen 0/0

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CP/M Gold Card for Apple for Sale

by normanalcott＠worldnet.att.net

CP/M Gold Card: I have two unopened packages of the Gold Card. Information from the package: "The CP/M Gold Card provides the option of running the Apple II, II Plus and IIe with the speed and capability of a more powerful system due to the high-performance, 6Mhz Z-80B microprocessor. At the same time, it gives you instant access to thousands of CP/M compatible applications, languages and programming utilities, in addition to standard Apple Software." Features: - The Z-80 Microprocessor with 64K RAM - CP/M Plus Operating System - CBASIC Language - 80-Column Display - 6Mhz CPU - Menu Driven Utilities - Documentation - Hashed Directory Search - Compatible with any slot Anyone interested contact: normanalcott(a)att.net 650-560-0181

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Wanted - manual for Pro-Log M822 8080 analyzer

by r.stek＠snet.net

Thought it might be time for my annual plea for a copy of the manual for a Pro-Log M822 8080 analyzer. I have some minor repair work to do on it, plus I do try to collect all relevant docs for items in my collection. For those unfamiliar with it, you can clip it around an operating 8080 and take control of it for debugging or whatever - single-step, examine registers, etc. - sort of like adding a front panel to a machine without one - like my Sol :) Thanks. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Olivetti M24

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Jim Buckley is looking to unload an Olivetti M24, and maybe other classic stuff. I offered to post his address to this list, and he accepted. Please contact him directly at the address below. >To: bill_r(a)inebraska.com >Subject: Classic Olivetti M24 >From: Jim Buckley <bjbuckley(a)rogers.com> >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:43:47 -0500 > >Bill, > > As a technology memorabilia guy, I was wondering if you knew of any >market or site that would entertain sales of old classic computers. If >you can be of any assistance it would be greatly appreciated. > >Jim. -Bill Richman (bill_r(a)inetnebr.com) Web Page: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of the COSMAC Elf Microcomputer Simulator, Fun with Molten Metal, Orphaned Robots, and Technological Oddities.

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DEC Rainbows ...

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sorry all, I'm delayed (on digest and backlogged anyway). But: RB100B == RB100+ except that the + included the HD and HD controller card. RB100A has 64kB on-board, can accept 3 256kB banks of RAM (with the right adaptor card and memory card) for a max. of 832kB, or 3 64kB banks with just a memory card for 192 kB total. RB100B/+ has 128kB on-board, doesn't need an adaptor to go to 896 kB with the memory card. In addition to the boot-from-Winchester option being present in the later models, there are some other differences in the ROM, enough that the dvorak keyboard remapper I have won't work on my 100A, though it's reported to work on the 100B or 100+. (Project #1 for when I get sufficient spare time.) B and + support the "Compose Character" key on the LK-201 (?) to generate overstrike characters. Here's how the Graphics option works (colors or monochrome intensities displayed before the slash, all available after the slash): +---------------+---------------+ |Med. Resolution|High Resolution| +----------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | Config. | Model | Color | Mono. | Color | Mono. | +----------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ |Monochrome| 100-A | N/A | 4/4 | N/A | 4/4 | | Monitor +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | Only | 100-B | N/A | 16/16 | N/A | 4/16 | +----------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | Color | 100-A |16/1024| N/A | 4/1024| N/A | | Monitor +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | Only | 100-B |16/4096| N/A | 4/4096| N/A | +----------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | Dual | 100-A |16/4096| 4/4 | 4/4096| 4/4 | | +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | Monitors | 100-B |16/4096| 16/16 | 4/4096| 4/16 | +----------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ Tony Duell has published on this list a good description of how to make a cable to allow dual (VR-201 and e.g. VR-241) monitors. It should be in the archives, but I have a copy and can email if desired. My 100A has a DEC 8087 coprocessor board which also serves as a memory adaptor, and is stuffed up to 832k. It has an upgraded (100B or 100+) power supply and a HD controller with an ST-225 as the hard disk. BTW, I have not seen a 100A power supply, but they are referred to in multiple reasonably believable places. Rainbow MS-DOS was different from PC-DOS. The last version, MS-DOS 3.11b, was a third-party (Suitable Solutions, who also did the ClickClock and TurBow) effort that also supported "Code Blue" (from the same vendor), which I guess was an attempt to patch the incompatibilities. It was supposed to have done pretty well but not perfectly. - Mark

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Protec PRO-83 Computer - More Info

by mhstein＠usa.net

Sign of the times, I suppose; they were much more helpful in the days when I dealt with them, but that was dealing with current (at the time) equipment, with possibility of some sales... Good luck; sorry I tossed my Protec stuff, but it was mostly just sales lit, not much tech info. mike -----------Original Message--------------- From: "Robert Collier" <rdcoll(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Protec PRO-83 Computer - More Info >But, if it's the same Protec in Quebec who did indeed >make Z80 SBCs in the old days before they specialized in KVMs, they're >still very much alive; why not try a phone call or e-mail. I actually sent a few emails to them already (6, I believe). They only ever answered 1 of them (the 2nd) to tell me that they didn't make personal computers. I replied and told them the machine was made by a Protec Microsystems Inc. in the 80's and I sent them a picture of it. They have yet to respond. Hmmm... Maybe when they talk about providing unlimited post sale support, they don't mean items that are 20 years old! :) The only remaining option I can see is to keep posting until someone recognizes the name. Thanks for the advice anyway. Rob

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HP 9825B

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> Yes there are two versions of the disk rom but if i remember correctly >the first rom is only for the 9885 drive and the second is for both the >9885 and the newer 9895. So either ROM should work for you. > The ROM I have says "9885M Flexible Disk Drive". From what you're saying, this is the older one and would require the additional routines on tape. If the newer one doesn't require the tape routines, that should fix the problem. I'll sawp ya an old one for a newer one :-) See ya, SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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