- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Empirephone＠aol.com

Have a 1A2 phone system and I am having a hard time restricting the phones >from dialing out without disabling the key pad. Is there any way I can program or wire the phone so that I can disable it from making outside phone calls?? Let me know Sid

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Stripped Indigo - worth how much?

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

At one of my usual haunts, while I was picking up a couple of $10 SPARC IPXs (with lotsa RAM and interesting Sbus cards) and an HP LJIIIsi (also $10), I ran across an unpriced Indigo. This means that it will be available for sale next week. The trick... it's been gutted. There's no RAM, no drives, I think no sleds, and several conspicuous empty sockets on the motherboard. There _are_ two large PCBs inside, and the PSU is present (but no guarantees it's working). Is this thing even worth $10? -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Stripped Indigo - worth how much?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 13, 9:46, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > At one of my usual haunts, while I was picking up a couple of $10 SPARC > IPXs (with lotsa RAM and interesting Sbus cards) and an HP LJIIIsi (also > $10), I ran across an unpriced Indigo. This means that it will be > available for sale next week. The trick... it's been gutted. There's > no RAM, no drives, I think no sleds, and several conspicuous empty > sockets on the motherboard. There _are_ two large PCBs inside, and the > PSU is present (but no guarantees it's working). > > Is this thing even worth $10? Depends on what's missing. If there are empty spaces for IC's on the CPU board, probably not unless the skins are in good condition and you want them to replace a scratched set. The special SGI SIMMs (I'm assuming this is an R3000 Indigo) aren't that hard to find. If it's the graphics board that's missing ICs, it may be OK -- depending on which graphics board it is. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 3 months

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OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > The 50's was the time of the closeted sexual deviant. Closeted sexual > > deviants ran this country. > > Is it different now? I think he had drag queens like Herbert J. Hoover in mind... a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just wait till Reagan's been gone a while... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:04 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: NetBSD Boot tape for MVII > > <snip> > > It's possible to load a bootstrap and hang when the real > software kicks > in. I am debugging an H-11 that has an H-27 floppy interface > that won't > work in the chain but will let me load the bootstrap if I put > it behind > everything else with a gap (it seems to not let go of some Qbus signal > and when it's properly installed, I never get an ODT prompt). > > I don't know the particulars of the box you have, but BA23s have 3 CD > slots, not 4. > > -ethan Ethan, I figured you had already fixed your H-11, H-27 problem. I did some digging, and I do have the schematics (C size drawing) and the operation manual w/the theory of operation section. Contact me off-list and I'll get a copy to you. Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

24 years, 3 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Chris, Thanks for all the suggestions! See below... --- Chris wrote: >The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint Windows system >beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports that "PC is running") but I >can't switch over. When I hit "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, >the cursor disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but >nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. In the PC Setup control panel, change the C: drive to a new drive file, make it an brand new drive file, with nothing in it (just make a 5mb or something). Then boot the PC. You should get a BIOS boot screen, and eventually see a typical PC error of non system disk, replace and press a key. ---------- Okay, did that. Same result. ---------- If you don't get that far, then the card isn't working properly. At that point, I would verify it is installed correctly (I'm not sure if that model card needed a video dongle or not... the Q610 "Houdini" card does, and so does the later 586 and Pentium card, although the latter can use an internal video cable in place of the normal external one.) ---------- I took the whole thing out and removed/reseated everything. There was one small daughterboard, a long skinny board in the PCI slot (?) and a RAM simm. The only dongles I saw were sound and CD-ROM which I also unplugged and re-plugged. Didn't see any huge scorchmarks or anything like that. ;) Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some external device to plug in to. What is this? ---------- After verifying the card is installed ok (fully seated, CD Audio cable is connected, and video dongle connected if needed), and it still doesn't boot... reinstall the Mac PC Setup software. You want version 1.5. You can get it here <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#doswin> v1.0.2 is for the Q610 card, v1.5 is for the Q630/PM6100 card, and v1.6.4 is for the later 586/Pentium cards. ---------- Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software archive except for patches. Anyway I just finished installing that, but result is the same regardless of which drive image I use. One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available. Make sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care about that problem...right? ---------- If is STILL doesn't boot... check to see if a ram chip is installed directly on the DOS card. If so, remove it. The cards are very picky over using the right chip. Remove an installed one, and then tell the PC Setup you want to share ram with the Mac (it should default to that automatically when it doesn't detect a chip installed). ---------- Okay, I pulled the RAM chip off. I selected the maximum amount of Mac RAM to share (32 MB) and rebooted to make that take effect. Same problem. ---------- If it STILL doesn't boot... let me know, we'll go from there. But by now, it should at least boot to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS screen, you can then either retry the old drive file, or just start from scratch and install DOS or Windows. The card you have officially supports up to Win95. ----------- What's weird is that when I try to switch to PC, I can hear DOS beeps, and I think I am in DOS because if I blindly type dir <return>, I can hear the hard drive clicking away in response. So it appears to be a video thing...? Previous owner said that she's never used a different video cable, port, monitor, etc. before and it worked fine til recently. ?? Maybe the card, or the video portion of the card, is in fact fried. Sigh. ----------- You should NOT have the drive file open and mounted on the Mac when you are trying to boot from the PC. And after changing drive files in the PC Setup control panel, you will need to reboot the PC (but not the Mac). --- end of quote --- Definitely do not have it mounted when I try this switch. Thanks again for all the help...any other ideas? -- MB

24 years, 3 months

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HP-97 Standard Pac Manual

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

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24 years, 3 months

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NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Yes, I Read The Freaking Manual. I Googled. I went so far as to peruse the ClassicCmp mailing list archives. *Those* people are *strange*! I think the DEQNA board is dead, even before I started moving things around on the QBus. (Yes, there'll be Yet Another "Broke My QBus" Post) I haven't ever been able to get it even to light up the AUI terminator. Next choice is to boot NetBSD off the TK50. I have NetBSD running on the VS4000/60 and a TK50Z-GA that works. I can tar to /dev/rst0 and then retrieve the archive all day long. When my boot tape wouldn't boot on the MV, I wondered if its TK50 is toast, so I've been trying to boot the 4000 to test the tape. All the sources say to: # dd if=boot.fs of=/dev/nrst0 # mt -f /dev/nrst0 rewoffl Then to boot from the tape: >>> b/3 MKA500 ## on the VS4000 The tape saws around for a minute or so, shows; MKA500 then rewinds and aborts to console >>> Trying it on the MVII gets essentially the same results. No meaningful error message, just the HALT instruction. A clue would be greatly appreciated. Doc

24 years, 3 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > I believe the Indigo2 was introduced in mid to late 1994. Oops, I thought it was 92. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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Suptnik and RT-11

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hi, All > > What is RT-11 most like? This one I cannot answer... > Will it run on Bob Suptnik's emulator? Yes, two versions are supplied on Bob's website. -dq

24 years, 3 months

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Interesting places in Chicago area?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

American Science and Surplus does have some interesting things, but not too much in the way of electronics, and the prices are fairly high. I've never been to the store in Geneva, but if you go out to Fermi Lab, Geneva is not too far from Batavia, where Fermi is located. George, if you are interested, I can send you the email of someone at Fermi who is on the HPLX (HP Plamtop computer) mailing list. Used to be that Fermi was pretty open (with the Illinois Prairie Path running right through it), but after 9/11, they tightened up. I'm not sure if it has relaxed again. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Dan Veeneman [mailto:dan@ekoan.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:12 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Interesting places in Chicago area? I'd also be interested in hearing about places in the Chicago area, even as far out as Rockford and Milwaukee. Thrift shops in Chicagoland just aren't the same as the ones here in the Washington D.C. area, but for general hardware stuff an interesting chain to visit there is American Science and Surplus. I've been to the Chicago and Geneva stores in years past, and there's always something unusual or interesting -- but not necessarily computer-related. They have a website now, http://www.sciplus.com . Cheers, Dan http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

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Museum of Science and Industry (was: Interesting places in Ch icago area?)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

IIRC, they were in a great exhibit done by IBM -- not just computers, but math, statistics and probability also. I never tired of seeing it. Too bad that exhibit got pulled a number of years ago. Most of the exhibits have corporate sponsors, which often means they have the content and intellectual level of your average TV commercial. There is a new exibit on petroleum that includes two sections with arcade games (car racing and skiing). They are straight, unmodified arcade games. How they relate to petroleum one can only guess -- OK cars use gas, but what a waste of floor space. There are some good exhibits. The one on imaging is about 5 years old and makes good use of computer technology (SGI and Macs, IIRC). They also have one of the Burlington Zyphir trains (1930's stainless steel streamlined diesel). The Navy exhibit is interesing also. The Coal mine is still there, and has been updated. And the model railroad is still there -- a big O-gauge layout sponsored by Santa Fe. It is "computer controlled" and might by on-topic. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jim Battle [mailto:frustum@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:56 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Museum of Science and Industry (was: Interesting places in Chicago area?) <snip> It was quite influential in my life path. Who knows, maybe I would have turned out the same, but besides all the cool off-topic stuff displayed there, two of the exhibits I still recall and are more on topic as they relate to computers. One exhibit was a little display about the size of a podium. It had an exposed PC board on top with heavy gauge copper in an odd pattern. A metal "pen" was used to draw a digit from 0 to 9, and based on which traces you touched and the sequence you touched them in, it would display what digit you had written. On the front was the schematic of the thing, containing many dozens of transistors. Was it the first palm pilot? This was probably around 1974 or so. The other display I recall vividly was the tic-tac-toe machine implemented as a clacking relay computer. You could see the relays activating behind the plexiglass. <snip> I visited there about five years ago and it didn't hold the same appeal. I don't know if it was just that I had matured and the wonder of the world has been lost, or if the displays just have a different flavor now that doesn't appeal to me. Ah, memories. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

24 years, 3 months

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1101 RAM Chips Needed

by bill_r＠inebraska.com

As previously posted, I recently finished building a Mark-8 computer (8008-based). It works great - in fact, I just added an EPROM board so I can run demo programs and eventually bootstrap from paper tape last night. The problem is, I only have 256 bytes of RAM. I would like to find 3 more banks (24 chips) worth of 1101 RAM chips. If anyone has any they'd like to trade for a brand new Harris 1802 microprocessor (build your own ELF!) or other chips, or cash, please let me know. (By the way, if you contacted me in the last couple of weeks about the free stuff, it was all left at Mailboxes Etc. last night, and should be going out today via UPS Ground. I'll e-mail the recipients off-list today or tomorrow to confirm, and let you know the total for shipping.)

24 years, 3 months

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OT: name that computer

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

RE: latest string about the "olden days"... Enough, far more than enough on the OT. Please drop it. Allison

24 years, 3 months

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

my previous message without html - I hope > 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988 > > With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I > only have the one tape of a multi-tape set. IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP and UNSUPP. SUPP (which you have) is the only one you require to get going. > What are you considering new? I am looking at > the Ultrix 4.x Basic Installation guide dated > 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, > VAXservers, and VAXstations. I have seen an: ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) CD from September 1992 and note that a VAX CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4 documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was supported by ULTRIX until ULTRIX expired (can't remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5) Doug.

24 years, 3 months

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Free SMD disks: Eagles and Super Eagle

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

I have a Super Eagle and (I think) six Eagles still available for pickup in the Seattle area. Some should be working but others may not be, all are as-is. It really pains me to just toss old hardware, but I don't have space to have these just sitting around anymore, so unless I hear from somebody by the end of the month, they're bound for the dump. I almost had a deal for them at the end of 2000, but I suspect that was just before the Computer Garage had to move, which is enough for anybody to deal with at once. --James B.

24 years, 3 months

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Altos 580

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/11/02 10:08:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, doc(a)mdrconsult.com writes: > I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The > little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions > terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm? > If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS > maybe? > One of my favorite systems, Multiuser Z80. I had several of these about 1990. Only one of the serial ports is the console port, zero IIRC. Should work with a standard serial terminal, Wyse 50 etc. Your MicroTerm should work. Uses a serial printer also. I am not sure I can trust my memory without pictures as to the layout of the db25. IIRC (L to R) Ser Printer, Terminal, Terminal, Console? I don't remember if there was a serial modem port or not. No SW any more, sorry I hope you find some, it is a nice little computer. Paxton

24 years, 3 months

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Sears SR3000

by Panigi38＠aol.com

Does anyone know where I can find ribbon for the old dot matrix Sears SR3000 printer? Thanks

24 years, 3 months

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

does anyone know if it is safe to yank the logic board from an HP LaserJet II and stick it into an Apple Laserwriter II NT. I know they are the same printer engine, with just minorly different features (Apple has no font slots for instance). I have a pseduo broken HP and a fully working Apple, but I want the parallel interface. So rather than buying a kit to fix the paper pickup problem the HP has, I was thinking of just swapping logic boards. Is this possible? or will I blow something? (I'd rather not just blindly experiment, since I am running short of working laser printers, and can't afford to trash these) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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VAX 6400 booting saga continues ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, here is the next movement: After I found out that the ULTRIX 4.5 tape's standalone kernel doesn't support the 6400, even though ULTRIX 4.5 says it supports the 6400 and 6500, (duh!) I had to help myself. Fortunately there is SIMH/VAX and with that I could install ULTRIX 4.5 (manually, the scripts didn't work). Now I have the image of an RA90 drive with a proven bootable kernel and the basic distribution that will allow me to do everything else from there, once that is up. This is what I did to transfer that image to an RA90: 1) net-boot uVAX-II with NetBSD from my FreeBSD laptop :-) 2) write the gzip-ed image ra90.bin.gz to a TK50 tape # dd if=ra90.bin.gz of=/dev/rmt0 ibs=1024000 obs=512 3) boot VAX6400 with VMS 4) on VMS transfer the gzip-ed file to a VMS disk file $ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512/RECORD=512 MUC6: $ COPY MUC6: RA90_BIN.GZ 5) mount an RA90 disk forreign $ MOUNT/FOREIGN DUA1: 6) unzip and transfer to that disk $ GZIP :== $SYS$ROOT:[GUNTHER]GZIP.EXE $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT DUA1: $ GZIP -d -c RA90_BIN.GZ the hope is that the above would emulate what on UNIX would have been: # gzip -d -c ra90.bin.gz |dd of=/dev/rra1c bs=512 7) that takes forever. After an hour or so, I stopped the process, because I figured I didn't have to write all those trailing zero-bytes to the disk. 8) cheked if anything reasonable had been written to the disk $ TYPE DUA1: and indeed, garbage shows up that looks like it is the first blocks of that image. 8) reboot VAX6400 >>> BOOT /R:0001000B /XMI:B DUA1 when it comes to loading system software, it immediately HALTs after accessing the disk for a moment. Sounds to me as if it didn't quite get a proper executable master boot block. The question to all VMS gurus is then: did I do anything wrong with the mount/foreign dua1, what is the blocking used? Since I cannot specify /block and /record for disks, I assume that the block is one sector. Does VMS write to the sectors in a different ordering? Does a mount/foreign spare the master boot blocks and begin writing with an offset of a few sectors? Thanks, -Gunther PS: I guess if noone can give me a hunch on how to do this simple thing with VMS, I will just have to wait until I get my KDA50 boards to use with my uVAX-II so that I can write the disk using NetBSD. Ah the fun of interfacing! -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

24 years, 3 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Since this is arguably an on-topic machine, I think I can probably get away with asking here. The hard drive on my Indigo2 is about to give out -- at least I believe this to be the case, since "Internal diagnostics predict the drive will fail soon" ;) Now, this machine has a 2.1G drive right now, but If I'm going to replace it, I'd like to replace it with something that I can capture some video on, which means at least 9G (or up to 21G). I believe the bus on this thing is normal SCSI-2, which has never been a problem for me. The problem I find now is that all the drive with the capacity I'd like to have for it are Fast/Wide/ Ultra/SCA/New/Improved/God-Like SCSI drives (Now with Vitamin C). :) I guess the question is: Do they make a normal SCSI-2 drive that's about 10G or larger? (better if it fits in the 3.5" by 1" (or so) sled) If not, is it possible to plug in an ultra SCSI drive? Will the drive slow itself down to normal speed if it's properly adapted? Has anyone tried either of these things? I am interested in both theory and practice, here. Lastly, what about a SCSI-2 hardware RAID (cost, etc)? What about a Fiberchannel interface for this ting (is there even such a board?) Thanks, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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New manuals

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I've uploaded three more manuals to my site today. BA11 DRV11-J DZ11 The last few pages of the DRV11-J is a reference card. I had plans for more today but our new mainframe was delivered so the day went away rather quickly. I should have RL01/RL02, RM03 guides up tomorrow if I do not run out of drive space. Enjoy. Brian. www.webwirz.com

24 years, 3 months

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FRU help needed

by fernande＠internet1.net

Can someone tell me what RS6000 this planar is from? FRU 31G9751 p/n 32G1924 I don't find anything with Google and nothing in the "Diagnostic Information for Micro Channel Bus Systems" and nothing in the "RS/6000 Systems Handbook 2000 Edition". Any other PDF that I should download >from IBM? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years, 3 months

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Yea, I just got two KDA50 sets!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, just got two KDA50 sets off ePay for a reasonable price. Very calm auction that was. Since I only have one Q-22 bus machine, I might have one set to trade against a UDA50. Or may be I should get a side-table style VAX around it. Although I don't like the high market price for those. BTW: how come that last year I payed $100 for an RF72 drive just last year when they now go for $10? I now have 5 DSSI drives and only one place in a cabinet to run the nicely. I guess it's about time to get a sidetable-style enclosure or a 4000 for those. cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

24 years, 3 months

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RX02 / DSD440 problem

by tom＠sba.miami.edu

I have a DSD440 dual RX02 unit, and the first drive abruptly quit. The disk access LED just flashes. When you first power it on, you can hear a slight clicking noise when it first starts spinning. It does spin though. Right after this noise, the LED starts flashing, and the drive won't function. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be wrong and what I can do about it? Also, from the ODT prompt on my 11/23, how do you get it to boot >from the other (DY1) RX02? Thanks, Tom

24 years, 3 months

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FS: Narrow SCSI tower, pick up only

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, I'm sorting through all my computer supplies, getting ready to move into a house. I haven't actually bought a house yet, but I'm looking. I've got this huge MTI narrow SCSI case that I'd like to sell. It'll hold 4 full height drives. Each drive fits into a steel box that is removable from the main tower. One box is an open face making it perfect for a cd-rom. I did have some troubles with certain drives not liking certain positions in the tower. I'm not sure if it was the drives, the case, or what. After I got everything arranged, it worked fine. Also the scsi select switch needs to be replaced as one bay is stuck on ID#3. This thing is built like a tank, and I love the way it looks but I just don't use it anymore. I'd like to get $50 for it. It will need to be picked up, However. I do need to point out, that this case can not be easily converted to wide scsi, due to the removable steel boxes the drives fit into. No drives included, but I do have a few cables and a terminator or two that can go with it. I'm located in Southwest Michigan. Email me for a more complete location, or for answers to you questions. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years, 3 months

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Free: older hardware, mainly PC

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > What I was commenting on (indirectly) is the idea that many > PC-users have > that you _can't_ replace soldered-in chips, and you can't I agree completely -- in principal, of course, that said, most PC-users shouldn't replace soldered in chips :) > upgrade a 16450 > to a 16550 if it's soldered in. Things like that. I don't > want those sort > of ideas polluting this list :-) As long as the replacement chip is compatible, sure, it really is generally that easy, but there are certainly cases where I wouldn't normally try it. For instance, a board with several layers, which has the chip "integrated" onto the top. Even then, if you're desperate enough, you might be able to cut a few pins and work that way. Anyway, the point is that (and you've made this point before) replacing things is becoming much less simple. I've seen some things on some boards which I would not consider "replicable," since my definition in this context would include "without robotic assistance, or a clean-room." ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I think he had drag queens like Herbert J. Hoover in mind... > > Herbert? or JEdger? (or both?) <Sigh> yes, J. Edgar... Senior moments come now by the truckloads... I'll have a drool cup installed soon. > > a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with > > their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our > > beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... > > the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just > > wait till Reagan's been gone a while... > > Most leaders are sexually active. > Was Clinton in the closet? Couldn't he do better than THAT? > How about Starr's obsessive voyeurism? > About the only exception was Nixon. I am willing to believe > that he was > the only president EVER who couldn't get laid. Must... freeze... wages... and... prices... or... all is lost! > It took a while before even Kennedy's sexual activities became widely > known, and Eiesenhower's affairs still remain "discrete". > How long will it take before we find out about Ford, Bush, Carter, > Reagan, etc? Ford: zipper accidents Bush: mom, is that you? Carter: now Marilyn, isn't four times a year excessive? Reagan: Well darn, now you know why I wear baggy suits.. ;)

24 years, 3 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. > > But interminable waiting with nothing happening IS 100% Windoze > compatability! "Sir, this computer I bought, the hourglass doesn't seem to work..." :)

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by mythtech＠mac.com

>I've always rebuilt my own fusers. Take them to bits and replace just the >lamp and/or rollers as appropriate. It's cheaper (generally), and I know >it's been put together correctly with grease on the moving parts... Humm... I might just do that. The fuser looks to be in great shape (clean, nothing looks burnt or corroded) other than the main roller. The old wiping pad that was in there had been pressed pretty flat, and a bit of the plastic had been touching the fuser roller... as a result, there is a scratch that runs around the roller. The coating is now starting to peel off, and although it is working fine right now, I know it is only a matter of time before it stops fusing the toner correctly, and starts leaving a stripe of flaked toner. When that time comes... I will look into the cost of a new roller vs a whole new assembly. (I seem to recall having replaced the fuser on my IINT, and I think the whole assembly was only about $50... but I might be thinking of the wrong printer) I fully plan on keeping this HP running for some time. My IINT has been an absolute work horse for years, so I know the SX engine is a good one, easy to work with, can get parts fairly cheap and easily... and if cared for, will just keep on going. So I don't mind spending repair money as needed with it (unlike the Panasonic KX-P4420 that I am dumping rather than spend $200 to replace consumable parts... the Panasonic is an Ok printer, but nothing great, and parts are hard to get, and are expensive) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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OT: name that computer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with > > their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our > > beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... > > the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just > > wait till Reagan's been gone a while... > > Most leaders are sexually active. > Was Clinton in the closet? Couldn't he do better than THAT? > How about Starr's obsessive voyeurism? > About the only exception was Nixon. I am willing to believe that he was > the only president EVER who couldn't get laid. > > It took a while before even Kennedy's sexual activities became widely > known, and Eiesenhower's affairs still remain "discrete". > How long will it take before we find out about Ford, Bush, Carter, > Reagan, etc? Personally, I'd be pretty worried about ANYONE with that much power who doesn't Get Some with some degree of regularity. I can see it now: "Welcome to CNN. Six countries were wiped off the map by US nuclear missiles this afternoon because the President hadn't Gotten Any in fifteen years. Leaders from nearly thirty countries are busily putting young nubiles on airplanes bound for Washington in hopes that this will ensure their countries' safety from the Wrath of the Horny President." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 3 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right > > adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had > > 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. > > The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive > > to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper > > left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. > > Great. I had no idea they even made HVD to NSHVSE (not-so-high > voltage single ended? :) adaptors. Not that I want to actually > use a HVD disk... I get a mailing from Paralan, a reseller of these adapters, at least monthly (just a post card, actually). Plan on spending US$300 for a new one... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Previously, I wrote: > > 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988 > > With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I only > > have the one tape of a multi-tape set. And then "DOUG PEKSA - COMPG" <PeksaDO(a)Cardiff.ac.uk> wrote (amidst all the HTML flotsam): > IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP and UNSUPP. > SUPP (which you have) is the only one you require to get going. Great! Hey Chris, you hear that? > > What are you considering new? I am looking at the Ultrix 4.x Basic > > Installation guide dated 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, > > VAXservers, and VAXstations. > I have seen an: > ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) CD from September 1992 > and note that a VAX CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4 > documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was supported by ULTRIX until > ULTRIX expired (can't remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5) Yes, there was an Ultrix 4.5 and it was the last version. I don't know the date on 4.5, but the date on 4.4 is May 1995. Thanks Doug. Mike

24 years, 3 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: jismay(a)gkar.unixboxen.net [mailto:jismay@gkar.unixboxen.net] > To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right > adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had > 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. > The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive > to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper > left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. Great. I had no idea they even made HVD to NSHVSE (not-so-high voltage single ended? :) adaptors. Not that I want to actually use a HVD disk... I'll probably attempt to pick up a 18G or so ultra-scsi disk, in that case. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > I've got a Mylex PCI 20mbit adapter (DAC960[PL?]) I'll trade you > cheap. It's my opinion that on a non-server box, the gained speed is > minimal compared to the lost storage capacity suffered with > any reliable > RAID, unless you really need to mirror your data. Well, I've got a Mylex EISA RAID that would probably have a better chance of working. :) This machine has no PCI bus, but has EISA and GIO64... Even if it did have the bus for it, though, there would be the problem of finding an IRIX driver for that board. IRIX supported hardware isn't exactly plentiful. Anyway, shouldn't a decent RAID allow you to select the mode so that it only does striping ? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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Free SMD disks: Eagles and Super Eagle

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Chris Craft wrote: > SMD drives hook up to a KDA50, yes? Nope...a KDA50 is an SDI controller, for RA-series drives. I don't know of any SMD controller made by DEC, though many other companies made SMD controllers for DEC machines. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 3 months

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

<body> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">></span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> only have the one tape of a multi-tape set.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">and UNSUPP. SUPP (which you have) is the only one</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">you require to get going.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> What are you considering new?  I am looking at</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> the Ultrix 4.x Basic Installation guide dated</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's,</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> VAXservers, and VAXstations.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">I have seen an:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) </span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">CD from September 1992 and note that a VAX</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">supported by ULTRIX until ULTRIX expired (can't</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5)</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">Doug.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><br></div> <div align="left"></div> </body>

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by jismay＠gkar.unixboxen.net

To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. -- Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad he goes to his death and in death is made wise. Robert Graves

24 years, 3 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint Windows system >beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports that "PC is running") but I >can't switch over. When I hit "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, >the cursor disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but >nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. In the PC Setup control panel, change the C: drive to a new drive file, make it an brand new drive file, with nothing in it (just make a 5mb or something). Then boot the PC. You should get a BIOS boot screen, and eventually see a typical PC error of non system disk, replace and press a key. If you don't get that far, then the card isn't working properly. At that point, I would verify it is installed correctly (I'm not sure if that model card needed a video dongle or not... the Q610 "Houdini" card does, and so does the later 586 and Pentium card, although the latter can use an internal video cable in place of the normal external one.) After verifying the card is installed ok (fully seated, CD Audio cable is connected, and video dongle connected if needed), and it still doesn't boot... reinstall the Mac PC Setup software. You want version 1.5. You can get it here <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#doswin> v1.0.2 is for the Q610 card, v1.5 is for the Q630/PM6100 card, and v1.6.4 is for the later 586/Pentium cards. If is STILL doesn't boot... check to see if a ram chip is installed directly on the DOS card. If so, remove it. The cards are very picky over using the right chip. Remove an installed one, and then tell the PC Setup you want to share ram with the Mac (it should default to that automatically when it doesn't detect a chip installed). If it STILL doesn't boot... let me know, we'll go from there. But by now, it should at least boot to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS screen, you can then either retry the old drive file, or just start from scratch and install DOS or Windows. The card you have officially supports up to Win95. You should NOT have the drive file open and mounted on the Mac when you are trying to boot from the PC. And after changing drive files in the PC Setup control panel, you will need to reboot the PC (but not the Mac). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

-----Original Message----- From: Marion.Bates(a)dartmouth.edu [mailto:Marion.Bates@dartmouth.edu] > The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint > Windows system beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports > that "PC is running") but I can't switch over. When I hit > "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, the cursor > disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but > nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. Sounds like maybe the Mac drivers for the card need re-installed. Not that I have any more experience with this stuff than you, probably... > I mounted the PC disk image on the Mac side and poked through > it, and it looks like there are some major filesystem issues > -- open a folder and it contains the whole top level > directory listing, including itself -- open a subfolder, same > thing, etc. probably to infinity. It needs a complete This "folder" isn't named '.' is it? ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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Someone can make a picture of a KDA50 cab kit please?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Doug Carman wrote: >Gunther Schadow wrote: > >> I guess so. I personally have a uVAX-II in the small cabinet, but >> I take anything, I don't care about the larger metal pieces, what >> I care about is the cable to the card and the SDI connectors. Those >> should be the same. I need the picture so a guy who doesn't know >> these things but may have the cables in a pile of stuff can recognize >> it. > >I have the cable kit for the BA200 series cabinets as well. You are >right, it will work in a BA123 if you just route the pigtails out a hole >in the rear bulkhead. The part number for the one I have is >17-00951-03. It has a 32 pin Berg connector on the module end with a >funny flat plastic retainer that holds it in. The pigtails are about 30 >inches long and each has the metal 8 pin connector that mates to the >disk drive cables. The KDA50 User Guide is at: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm The BA23 cab kit is pictured on p2-2. It's basically a rectangular panel with two connectors for SDI cables. The internal cable just plugs in on the inside (and the external cables - somehwhat thicker) plugs in externally. You need two bulkheads if you want to use all four possible drives. The internal cable is four tails connected to a single flat head with a plastic cover at the KDA50 end. (It's not *that* clear from the picture unless you already know what you are looking at). More pictures on pp 2-14, 2-15 and 2-16. I cannot find a picture of the BA213 arrangement. The KDA50 board pair sits behind a three-wide metal panel (the third slot is occupied by the cabling). The internal cable is the same and heads up and to the top left drive bay. There is where the bulkhead lives ... a recessed four-way connector. I expect I'll find a picture as soon as I hit "Send" ... Antonio

24 years, 3 months

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Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 10:59:04 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > X-Accept-Language: en > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.) > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Lawrence LeMay wrote: > > > > > > > > A low speed punch 10 cps vers a high speed punch > > > 50 cps could be a important cost factor. Now if you > > > had black paper tape one could zap out the holes > > > with a laser giving you a very high speed punch. > > > Since the punching speed does limit paper > > > tape to a practical limit of about 8kb was there > > > any really large paper tape programs? 4K focal on > > > a TTY was as long a program that I ever loaded from paper > > > tape ... 20 minutes. > > > > > > > Well, a good optical reader can read 400 characters per second. Correct me > > if i'm wrong, but that seems like 4096 bytes takes 10.24 seconds to read > > in. Assuming its not a 30 year old tape that vaporizes at that speed ;) > > > > -Lawrence LeMay > > The TTY is the LOW speed punch/reader ... 10 CPS. > The high speed reader is 300 CPS for the PDP-8. > The problem with paper tape > on the PDP-8 at least is that you had to read a character at a > time. Read char... process ... read. This meant the paper tape > had to stop the tape on every character. Reading the tape is > not the problem ... stopping was. You know, at 300 char/sec there is more than 3000 microseconds between characters. Plenty of time for even a PDP-8 to execute a thousand or so instructions. The next challenge is to write a program to duplicate paper tapes, high-speed reader at 300 c/s to high-speed punch at 50 c/s. Keep the punch running at full speed while reading in bursts to keep ahead of the punch. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 3 months

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Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:42:30 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.) > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Loboyko Steve wrote: > > > > The DSI punches punch their own sprocket holes. Funny, > > I don't remember prepunched tape. Wouldn't that be > > punched tape prepunched with NULL's (ha ha). > > It is a know fact that Santa's Elves will pre-punch your > paper tape for you on their days off. You have a choice > of white,red,or green paper tape. > > A low speed punch 10 cps vers a high speed punch > 50 cps could be a important cost factor. Now if you > had black paper tape one could zap out the holes > with a laser giving you a very high speed punch. > Since the punching speed does limit paper > tape to a practical limit of about 8kb was there > any really large paper tape programs? 4K focal on > a TTY was as long a program that I ever loaded from paper > tape ... 20 minutes. Once (only) I loaded PDP11 DOS from paper tape onto an RK05 disk. My memory is that it was about a cubic foot of folded paper tape in trays. Fortunately I had a 300c/s tape reader, and a 9-track magtape drive to make a disk backup afterwards. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 3 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Christopher Smith wrote: > Since this is arguably an on-topic machine, I think I can probably > get away with asking here. I believe the Indigo2 was introduced in mid to late 1994. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 3 months

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Someone can make a picture of a KDA50 cab kit please?

by schadow＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, would somebody here be so kind an give me a digital image of a KDA50 cab kit? A part number would also be nice, but the picture would be better. Doesn't need to be very good quality, just to roughly see how it looks. Thanks, -Gunther PS: even a detailled description would be helpful. Thanks!!

24 years, 3 months

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Microchannel and Redhat?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/10/2002 10:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: << Will factory Redhat work with MicroChannel? I'm having trouble loading anything but Windows on this computer!! >> ive heard that slackware will. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

24 years, 3 months

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New DEC manual scan

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

For all who may be interested, I am starting to add scanned DEC manuals to my web page www.webwirz.com. They will all be in PDF format. The first one was added today and is the maint manual for the LA30 DECwriter. "Woo Hoo" I'll add a few more this week and then I have to give up the Kodak scanner to a different department at work for a while. Thanks, Brian.

24 years, 3 months

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Barely classic

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:43 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, Pat Finnegan wrote: >I think this one just squeaks by the 10-year rule... >Today I visited the high school I used to go to, and walked out with an >Amiga 2000 with a Video Toaster. In a pinch, Amiga-heads took a hacksaw to a DB25. It might be easier to find a true Amiga cable. You'll also want separate "program" and "preview" composite monitors if you want to play TV studio. If there's a "TIO" directory there, I wrote that stuff. That's the "Toaster I/O" set of translators to handle Mac PICT files and various 3D formats into Lightwave. - John

24 years, 3 months

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Altos 580

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The > little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions > terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm? > If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS > maybe? If this is the squarish box, it ran MP/M-II... let me check, one we used to have where I worked ended up in the hands of a local fellow collector (hey Russ B., do you know Chris at Nomad Radio on Bardstown Road?). I saw Chris at a party two weekends ago, he's *real* hard to get hold of. But I'll see if I can, and see if Tom or Crutch gave him the manuals and software... Worst case, since MP/M-II is now freely downloadable, source and all, you'd just have to re-port it to the 580... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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