- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pat＠purdueriots.com

With all this talk about making a LK201 work on a PC or vice versa - and this moderately-broken Amiga keyboard I have laying around - I was wondering if anyone could give me some info so I design/build an adaptor to make a PC (perhaps mac or some other KB) work with an Amiga? With the lack of a surplus of Amiga kb's on the eBay market, I was thinking it might be a worthwhile hack. Mostly I guess I just want a source of info about the Amiga keyboard (this is for an A2000 btw) so I could think about how I might design it. Thanks -- Pat

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Let me check... I have half a dozen of these in various states of repair and >probably, IIRC, have one extra legal tray. I can probably part with that if >it will do someone some good. Yes... I am still on the hunt for a legal tray for that printer engine (I don't care specifically which model it comes from, as long as it fits the SX engine that is used in the HP LJ 2, and Apple LW IINT among other printers that use it) I do have enough letter trays, so I am only in need of a legal size tray (and if anyone has it, an envelope tray might come in handy as well) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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DSQD Drives (Was: RE: Diags/Boot image for Altos 580)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > It's not a kludge to use a HD drive to write DSQD disks. It's _designed_ > to do it. If a drive is *designed* to use a certain type of media, then of course it's not a kludge. As I originally said, match the media and the drive and live a happy life ;>) Glen 0/0

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Chris I have 2 letter trays - looked all over for legals - nogo. Does $10 >for a letter tray (includes USPS to the C-U area) sound OK to you? I'd have >to get $12 total if you use Paypal to cover the fees or you can stay at $10 >and send me a money order. Let me know when you can. I would say the price sounds great... but I have spare letter trays already, so I don't need more. Sorry :-( -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I'll look and see if I have a legal - I have a box of LJ 2 and III trays, >not sure if I have legals left though. Shipping to the C-U area from here is >cheap and then a couple bucks for the tray would work. I need more space >around here anyway. Yeah if you have one that would be great. The HP had no trays when I got it. I had a spare letter try for my Apple which fits nicely (although is grey rather than brown, but who cares). Let me know if you find a legal try (or any good parts/trays) and how much you would want. Thanks! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 3 months

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playing with the VAX 6460

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: > >PPS: Have your guys ever tried to build Ultrix from sources? I found >some critical pieces missing, like /usr/sys/sys/kern_lmf.c and possibly >more. Having used Ultrix maybe for a few days total (and that was perhaps five years ago) I'm probably not in the class of user that builds it from sources :-) but I'll try not to let that inhibit me from replying ... The lmf bit of the filename suggests Licence Management Facility to me. DEC never intended this as anything other than a tripwire (at least on OpenVMS) meaning that although you could fairly easily get around it, you'd have a hard time arguing in court that you just typed in something by accident! Giving away the sources would have lowered the "energy barrier" too much, so it was always dropped from the OpenVMS Source Listings distribution. AFAIK, all LMF implementations were based on the same core ideas, so it would have been hard to release the innards on any platform. Antonio

24 years, 3 months

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> --- DAVID YOUNG <DAVIDINTEL(a)attbi.com> wrote: > > yes it's a regular mouse, 2 feet no ball > > This has to be the punchline to a really baaad joke. > > ... or the set-up to "that reminds me of girl I used to know..." :-) I'd assumed the extremely slow feed today was due to some new OFF-TOPIC filter that Jay had put in place, and thus avoided posting, as I'd hate my friends here to be depraved^H^H^H^Hived... But if so, it sill needs work... -dq

24 years, 3 months

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KIM-1 & SWTPc 6800

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Over the last week I've had two different individuals contact me and offer me systems. One was a KIM-1, including all three manuals, "KIM Hints" and the classic book "First Book of KIM"...all for $25. The KIM is a Rev. G board and looks to be in really nice shape. He had rescued it from the curbside trash outside of a college dorm! The second system is a SWTPc 6800. It includes lots of documentation and the SWTPc minidisk system, as well as various FLEX disks and a few additional boards. He's also informed me that he's going to include a terminal kit that he had gotten for it. I believe he said that the kit was made by Netronics...I'd have to doublecheck that. It's costing me $50 plus shipping. I don't actually have it yet but am certainly looking forward to receiving it! Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

24 years, 3 months

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I've managed to get the case open, but... well, this > is rather embarassing... I can't quite seem to figure > out how to get the drive itself out. That's OK, you wouldn't beleive the trouble my PDP-11/44 CPU gave me with regards to getting the chassis out of the rack! Finally had to transport it in the rack because no one could figure out how to unrack it. I've run into some IBM gear that's like that also, it takes half of forever to figure out how to get into it. In this case isn't the HD on a sled like the BA23's and BA123's use? I think there is a tab under the drive, that you push down on then pull the HD forward. Of course my memory is fuzzy, I've not touched my VS2000 in several years. Zane

24 years, 3 months

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by DAVIDINTEL＠attbi.com

yes it's a regular mouse, 2 feet no ball

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MV-II Diags Chapter 3

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

WooHoo! Working copies of both the Maintenance & Customer diagnostic tapes! I'm almost ashamed of the way I got it done -- classic Unix "go with what you know" low-tech. I'm also not convinced the originals are reliable, but I am convinced I got true copies of them. The TKZ50-GA doesn't read the old tapes well at all, so I ended up doing the rips on the MV-II itself. The TUHS "cptape" utility, which copies each file from tape to disk and records blocksize for each file, extracted both tapes without error on the MV. So I've got the contents of the tape on disk, with 2/3 of the files having a blocksize of 80. The TUHS maketape doesn't know anything but N*512 blocksizes, so that's out, and the tape has to have a TapeMark at each file, so I can't just cat 'em all into a single file. I tried setting blocksize to 0 (variable) and running a dd loop, but the drive pukes with an "Undefined error" fairly quickly. So I just made a script that uses mt to set the blocksize every time it changes, and dd each file to tape. All 172 files. I couldn't remember how to compare file sizes in a test statement, so no loops. Bah!. It's the Kludge from Hell, but it works. Anybody with a Unix system & a TK<whatever> oughta be able to use it. The 2 tarballs are about 1.5MB each. Assuming you have a license to use it, I see no reason not to help replace your media. :^) Doc

24 years, 3 months

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Paging Gary Oliver

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Paging Gary J. Oliver... I think I tried this before, and didn't get a reply. He used to work for Alpha Omega Computer Systems, Inc. There is a gary Oliver living now near Coventry, who may be the same guy, but a bit far from his former residence. He'd posted here in '98 about a CDC 3300 simulator he was working on. If anyone knows him and/or knows how to reach him, I'd appreciate it if you caould help facilitate my contacting him. Thanks, -doug quebbeman

24 years, 3 months

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DSQD Drives (Was: RE: Diags/Boot image for Altos 580)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> IIRC the Floppy on an Altos 580 is DSQD. Am I correct that while different from standard DSDD, they are *not* GCR drives? What other machines might carry these drives, can I hook one up to a standard PC controller in a box running DOS, and then duplicate the disks? > I had one that had the CMI hard drive replaced with a Seagate ST225. So I > know they will take similar configured Hard Drives. I think they will take > 10, 15 and 20 Meg HDs. This is good to know, ST225s still pop up from time to time... -dq

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Value of a small VAX farm

by lluu＠ib-group.com

hi I will be interested by the vax 7000 - And also I have a lot of vax 3100 4100 as 800 4100 2100 etc and ds20e es40 etc ... give me a call if you can sale them to me Laurent LUU Account Manager & Trader Compaq Sun Cisco IB Remarketing is a Remarketing Products Compaq Distributor Company. Red Systems IB Limited, London. IB Remarketing SA, Paris. 0044 (0) 207 336 7333 Office London UK 0044 (0) 207 336 6546 fax London UK 0044 (0) 7796 992 664 cell phone UK IB Remarketing 00 33 1 48 19 23 71 Office Paris 00 33 6 60 17 47 49 Cell phone Paris 00 33 6 62 08 15 02 Cell phone Paris www.redsystems.co.uk (under construction) www.ib-group.com

24 years, 3 months

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TRS80 Model 1 question

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I plan on playing with my old Model 1this weekend so that I can get the floppy drive working. Since I suffer from random bit-rot, can someone tell me which disk operating system shipped with the drive option? My system is a 48k Level II with the Percom controller and drive. I don't have any disks for it any more, but I was going to use the TRS81 emulator to create new disks for it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

24 years, 3 months

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Berg [mailto:groovelists@yahoo.com] > The poor ST251 looks like it might be done in for... > Originally, it just clicked once when power was > applied + didn't spin up. Was able to get it to spin > up by lubing the bearings, but I think it has many I wonder how long it would last if you actually had to open the thing to lube the bearings anyway.. :) > other issues. Fails a TEST 71 (disk verification > test). Attempting to BOOT using DUA0 as default has it You could try formatting it, then verifying. I'm not sure if that will make a difference. The format command is some other test (72?) which I don't really remember the number for... > making a quiet buzzing noise for a few seconds... > then, tries to boot from ESA0, gives a ?54 RETRY, > tries ESA0 again, etc... Haven't quite gotten around Well, that part is normal. :) If the first device doesn't work, it will switch through the devices in a certain order until it gets to ESA0 at the end. > to setting up a network for it. (Could also be doing > something wrong, too - never had a chance to work with > any VAXen prior to this.) Sounds ok. Incidentally, it really will take just about any "MFM" drive you can stuff in there. You'll just need to re-format it. > Thanks again for everything - you both made things > really easy. :) No problem. 2000s are really nice little machines. I'm glad to seep people (besides me) still using them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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LK201 specification

by flo＠uk.thalesgroup.com

LK201 specification: ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp8/doc/lk200fs.doc This is a plain text file, not an MS Word document! The specs are also in the VT220 Technical Manual. I've not checked to see whether they are identical. - Paul

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offline drives: Re: MVII Diags Chapter 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> >just show a dead drive as "offline"? > I put the original RD54 back in as drive 0 and no longer get the RQDXA >errors from the diags, but both drives 1&2, RD53s, are showing as >offline RD51s. What's up with that? > NOTE: DEC jumpers all RDxxs the same regardless of how many are on the controller {they are cable selected}. If memory is accurate All RDxx should be jumpered for #3. REPEAT ALL DRIVES ARE JUMPERED THE SAME even drive address. I assume the controller is RQDX2 or 3 and the box is BA123 with the 4 drive interface card (M9xxx). FYI: if there is a RX50 on that controller then ONLY TWO RDxx drives can be used as an RX50 uses two drive numbers. If you want three RDxx drives and a floppy then use a RX33 (TEAC FD55GFV, with correct jumpers) OR use two RQDX controllers and associated breakout cards. Watch for upside down cables and or bad cables. Allison

24 years, 3 months

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test--ignore

by menadeau＠attbi.com

Michael Nadeau Editor/Publisher Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource www.classictechpub.com 603-893-2379

24 years, 3 months

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> [Tony Duell wrote] > > And the ZX81 BASIC is so unpleasant (single-key entry -- YUK!) > > Hey, I liked it! Thank you, Hans. I knew I couldn't be the only one ;>) > > Therefore it's probably as easy to start with a bare CPU chip... > > Maybe, but then you have to make a board, and at least a ZX > compatible edge connector for all the great perhipherals ... > So after all, using a ZX81 is just a cheap way to get exactly > this. Exactly. For five or ten US dollars (or free, mostly) you get an easily hacked micro with all the lines available on the expansion connector and a decent built-in BASIC if you need it. Plus 8KB of available address space in the 8-16KB region which is perfectly suited to add-ins such as NVRAM or, my favorite, a disk operating system in ROM. Glen 0/0

24 years, 3 months

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Apple II/IIgs bits

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Available for postage ($3.50 in the US). Condition unknown. Hayes Micromodem II, which Google indicates is for an Apple II. Looks good. No cable, just the card. Applied Engineering Ramkeeper, which Google indicates is for a IIgs. Many of the chips are a bit scratched -- it's obviously been in a pile of boards for a while. This is supposed to be a battery-backed RAM board, but there's no RAM or battery. There's a couple places where it looks like things used to be glued to the board, and other possible damage. Probably not useful except as a source of chips (has ROM revision RK 1.7, and other chips labelled RK1A.N, RK2A.N, and RK3A.N). --James B.

24 years, 3 months

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Berg [mailto:groovelists@yahoo.com] > I've had a Vaxstation 2000 sitting around here for a > bit, but I've just gotten around to tinkering with it. > Alas, the poor fellow seems to have an ill hard drive. Common problem, I think. > I've managed to get the case open, but... well, this > is rather embarassing... I can't quite seem to figure > out how to get the drive itself out. It's not easy. You'll need to remove the screws in the top of the mainboard, I think. The mainboard should then "lift out" -- probably front first, but it's been a while. Make sure that you don't bend the board. The connectors that stick out under the lip in the back of the system tend to catch on things. It will be connected to at least a power connector and a cable for the disks. Disconnect those. Remember to note their orientation. The Ethernet board, and any ram expanders will be snapped onto the main board with little plastic parts. They'll lift right out with it. All of this is from distant (a year or so) memory, so make sure I'm telling you the right thing before you try it ;) Now, the floppy and hard disk will be attached to the same set of metal plates, and those plates, IIRC, are attached to the rails that hold the drives in place. I think you need to detach the metal drive-plates from the rails, and then take the hard disk off once you have the pair of disks dislodged from the inside of the machine. IIRC, the power supply is "short" -- maybe half the height of the system cabinet -- so you should be able to get access to any screws you need to take out to loosen the above-mentioned metal plates. > I don't believe it is open at the moment, but I think > the layout inside is something like this : > ____________________ > ----Motherboard----- > -------------------- > PS | Floppy > | RD32 HD > ____________________ Kind of like that... :) > The drive is held in by at least a screw or two on the > right-hand side - I can remove those, but it is still > held in by another seeming inaccessible screw and / or > the cabling hooked up to the back of it. Again, take the mainboard out, and you'll have to remove both drives at once. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 3 months

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Disk controlers

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

BG micro ( www.bgmicro.com ) still has 765,1771,1791,1793,1795,1797,2793 and 2797 floppy disc controllers if your old machine need a new floppy disk chip. Looking at the same page they also have some old memory chips like 16kx1 drams and 1kx1 static ram. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

24 years, 3 months

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VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Maybe it's related to the age of the keyboards. All the ones I've worked >on originally came with VT220s or Bows/Pros/DECmates. I would guess the >6805 version came out later. I'm going to get this wrong here :-) but isn't the LK201 used on the VT220 (and later terminals) but the LK201 used on the Rainbow? (I guess that the Pro 380 et al. use the same keyboard as the Rainbow, but I don't have any of those). The LK201 specs are in one of the appandices that come with the VAXstation 3200 manuals (possibly in the separate VCB02 tech manual). The Rainbow tech manual almost certainly includes the LK250 spec (I have that scanned too, but it's not available anywhere yet, I think). If someone is looking to develop a PIC LK2xx implementation, it would be nice to handle both variants. Antonio

24 years, 3 months

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ZX81 BASIC (was Re: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > I never liked single-key-entry BASIC because you have to "know" > what mysterious character they chose for keywords with the same > initial letter. I mean is "S" STEP? STOP? How about "O"? ON? > OPEN? Sure -- that's why the Sinclair-based systems had the keywords printed on the keys. Those of us who use alternate keyboards either have screen-printed keys, a chart glued to the keyboard, or, after 20 years of squeezing the last living cpu stroke out of these things, have simply learned them. To me, it's still easier than typing the whole keyword. An additional benefit is that it made the built-in syntax-checker possible. You simply *can't* enter a syntactically incorrect line of BASIC into a program using a ZX81. Of course, serious ZX81 programmers use very little BASIC, same as with any other machine. I'm NOT a proponent of BASIC on *any* platform, but ZX81 BASIC sure did get a lot of kids interested in computers. Ever wonder why the UK leads the world in game programming? Answer: ZX81 and the Spectrum. These machines taught kids to make the most of the hardware. The kids I know today think they're hot tuna because they can "build web pages." They've never heard of machine code and haven't a clue what an assembler or compiler is. 20 years ago, the inquisitive kids said "BASIC sucks, what's the next level?" Know what I mean? Glen 0/0

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I've aquired a copy of each: MVII DIAG MAINT TK50 AQ-GM5AN-DN MV DIAG CUST TK50 AQ-GL5AP-DN I'm going to try using dd to generate an image for duplication tonight. If I can make a bootable duplicate from the image, and if there are no licensing issues, I'll make the images available. Any interest or comments? Doc

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ZX81 BASIC (was Re: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > And the ZX81 BASIC is so unpleasant (single-key entry -- > YUK!) Hmm, I regard single-key entry as a feature . . . Glen 0/0

24 years, 3 months

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DEC RC25 docs

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Does anyone have hardware docs for a DEC RC25 dual drive? I just received a couple and was planning to install one of them in my 11/725 but the power connectors are different. Any help would be appreciated. I am also looking for a spare CPU set for an 11/34. I'll be out of town until Sun so thanks in advance. Brian.

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VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

I did it! I did it! I did it! Yeah! See for yourself: #123456789 0123456789 0123456789 01234567# F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE # A A . A M M M M P P P P P P TYP o o . + + + + + + + + + + + STF . . . . . . . . E E E E E B BPD . . . . . . . . + + + + + + ETF . . . . . . . . E E E E E B BPD . . . . . . . . . + . . + + + . XBI D + . . . . . . . . . + + . + . + . XBI E + . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . . ILV . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512 Mb ROM0 = V4.00 ROM1 = V4.00 EEPROM = 2.03/4.02 SN = AG94408887 Restarting system software. Restart failed due to previous error. Loading system software. Ultrixboot - V4.5 Sun Sep 17 13:03:13 EDT 1995 Loading (a)vmunix ... Sizes: text = 1153664 data = 281088 bss = 1043548 Starting at 0x5219 ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) System #3: Wed Oct 18 11:49:00 EDT 1995 real mem = 536346624 Memory configuration adjusted to run with small system page table real mem = 5242880 avail mem = 1866752 using 128 buffers containing 524288 bytes of memory bcNode ID = 1 VAX6460, ucode rev 6, ucode opts 0, system type 0x02400101. FPA is enabled xmi 0 at address 0x21800000 xrp at xmi0 node 1 xrp at xmi0 node 2 xrp at xmi0 node 3 xrp at xmi0 node 4 xrp at xmi0 node 5 xrp at xmi0 node 6 xma at xmi0 node 7 xma at xmi0 node 8 xma at xmi0 node 9 xma at xmi0 node 10 kdm0 at xmi0 node 11 uq24 at kdm0 csr 100 vec 554, ipl 15 vaxbi13 at xmi0 node 13 xbib at vaxbi13 node 1 klesib at vaxbid node 2 failed to initialize! kdb0 at vaxbi13 node 3 uq4 at kdb0 csr 362 vec 514, ipl 15 xna0 at vaxbi13 node 6 xna0: DEC DEBNI Ethernet Interface, hardware address 08:00:2b:34:a5:ca vaxbi14 at xmi0 node 14 xbib at vaxbi14 node 1 dmb0 at vaxbi14 node 3 ci0 at vaxbi14 node 5 (CIBCA-BA) aie0 at vaxbi14 node 6 bvpssp2 at aie0 ra0 at uq24 slave 0 (RA90) tms6 at bvpssp2 slave 6 (TK70) WARNING: todr too small -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE! Sun Jul 4 13:29:26 EDT 1976 Automatic reboot in progress... /dev/ra0a: 638 files, 5927 used, 9624 free (144 frags, 1185 blocks, 0.9% fragmen tation) /dev/rra0d: umounted cleanly check quotas: done. local daemons: syslog sendmail. Removing remnant Opser files preserving editor files clearing /tmp standard daemons: update cron accounting network snmpd printer. start errlog daemon - elcsd Sun Jul 4 13:29:44 EDT 1976 Sun Jul 4 13:29:46 1976 elcsd:datagram socket bind error ; Can't assign reques ted address Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:stream socket bind error ; Can't assign requeste d address Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:error can't open/setup main errlog file ; Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:no errlog path for backup file; Sun Jul 4 13:29:47 1976 elcsd:open/setup single user mode errlog file /syserr. phicus; ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) (phicus) login: root Sun Jul 4 13:30:01 EDT 1976 Password: ULTRIX V4.5 (Rev. 47) System #3: Wed Oct 18 11:49:00 EDT 1995 Digital Equipment Corporation Nashua, New Hampshire erase ^H, kill ^U, intr ^C # ls .new...cshrc inst opr ultrixboot .new...login install.log pcs750.bin usr .new...rhosts install.tmp real.profile usr2 .profile lib restoresymtable vmb.exe all.files lost+found sys vmunix bin mnt syserr.myname dev netload syserr.phicus etc new tmp # date Sun Jul 4 13:32:08 EDT 1976 How did I do that? Not with the boot tape, DEC has screwed that up (not supporting their supported hardware for the boot tape, duh!) The key to success really was SIMH. With SIMH I could install ULTRIX on an RA90 image. Then I simply ripped the "a" partition as a binary image (3.5 MB zipped) and moved it to the VAX 6000/VMS. The move was greatly helped by Brian Wheeler, who gave me an uVAX-II and Isildur, who gave me a TK50 for it. Although I found out a trick by which one can drive the console port of the VAX6000/VMS up to 38400 bps (simply boot the machine and VMS with NO terminal attached, not finding a signal, it bumps up the speed to 38400 and keeps it there. This allows moving 3.5 MB in a bit less than 30 minutes.) Then I simply copied that image onto the disk mounted /foreign, booted the disk and voila! First time I got it up I was so excited that I messed up the unit numbers and accidentially killed both my VMS 7.2 system and my new ULTRIX disk! Luckily I had a spare VMS 5.4 disk in reserve. In a way I'm happy I blew my VMS 7.2 disk, because its DU0 and that should become ULTRIX anyway. Now I don't need to think about backing the VMS stuff up any more! Folks, this feels sooooooo good. I have been muddling for almost one year for this moment! The next questions are, since Evi Nemeth et al. unfortunately neglect ULTRIX in their otherwise excellent book, where do I learn about such things as ULTRIX 4.5 kernel configuration? I need to build a custom kernel, but when I tried it with my 4.3 BSD knowledge of how this is done, it failed because it didn't find sources and stuff. Can someone give me a few hints? Do I have to manually copy the .o filed of the BINARY directory into my own kernel directory? There are a few options in the config file that I don't understand, is that described anywhere? Also, does anyone have experience actually building the 4.2 sources? My next steps are: - make custom ULTRIX 4.5 kernel - build the ULTRIX 4.2 system from sources - get the CI working to the MTI StingRay and the HSC90 - load a bunch of software, especially GNU stuff, gcc, emacs, bash, less ... - Install PostgreSQL - try building the JDK - get a VAX 6660 and hack support for it into ULTRIX 4.2 - load NetBSD sources and build as far as it gets and add support for XMI, KA64A, etc. and for the other machines, get the MFM drive for my uVAX formatted (need to produce a diagnostics tape for that.) Start up my VAX 11/780, turn it into a 785 and make a dual CPU machine from it. Install the PDP-8/A rack and make it going. Final question for today: is there a program that rips an exact tape image from a physical tape (TK70). I have that diagnostics tape on a TK70 but need to move it onto TK50. The TK50 drive is not happy on the TQK70 controller (or VMS isn't happy with it.) So, I need to make a binary image, move it to laptop, boot uVAX-II/NetBSD and write it on TK50. Thanks so much for all your help and advice without which I wouldn't even have started getting the VAX 6400 ins the first place, much less making it boot ULTRIX. -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Disassembling a Vaxstation 2000

by groovelists＠yahoo.com

Afternoon, all! :) I've had a Vaxstation 2000 sitting around here for a bit, but I've just gotten around to tinkering with it. Alas, the poor fellow seems to have an ill hard drive. I've managed to get the case open, but... well, this is rather embarassing... I can't quite seem to figure out how to get the drive itself out. I don't believe it is open at the moment, but I think the layout inside is something like this : ____________________ ----Motherboard----- -------------------- PS | Floppy | RD32 HD ____________________ The drive is held in by at least a screw or two on the right-hand side - I can remove those, but it is still held in by another seeming inaccessible screw and / or the cabling hooked up to the back of it. Any help or recollections anyone might be able to provide would be very much appreciated! :) Thanks very much! Cheers, Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gunther Schadow [mailto:gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org] > own MDM tape or disk on VMS. I don't feel authorized to > redistribute either of those images. That would be software > piracy and Bill Gates, the inventor of BASIC and the graphical > user interface (and anything that's useful in computing) says > that is a bad, bad thing. I would have been in real trouble had I actually been _drinking_ that warm apple cider while I read this. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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List Managers reward. was Re: List Management - RESPONSE

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Bob Shannon wrote: > > Perhaps List members can help the list > > manger out here. > ^^^^^^ > Should that be "monger"? Let's help Jay, not a large open box or trough > in a stable. And I think that most all of us would reject calling Jay a > "mangler". Perhaps "List administrator" might side-step that issue... -dq

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Configuring ULTRIX 4.x kernel (was: Re: VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Lord Isildur wrote: > as for configuring the kernel, it is pretty similar to the bsd convention. > i think in /usr/sys/conf/vax you find the config files, just take a > GENERIC and customize it.. the BINARY is the 'everything' kernel, meant > only to test to make sure everything there compiles properly, and then > just as in bsd, config <config file>, which leaves a directory > in /usr/sys/VAX named for the kernel you config'ed, and then in there > the usual make depend , make vmunix, and you're set. Well, yes except that it's binary only, which doesn't just work as expected. But I found out, /etc/doconfig is an interactive script that does all the magic for you. I hate to do this interactively, but at least it got me going. And it's a script, so it can be seen what it does (among others ln -s ing the BINARY/*.o files to MYKERNEL/.) But I noticed two other stange things: (1) The GENERIC kernel configuration is really neat, it just says things like (off the top of my head, don't blame me on detail errors) controller kdb50 at vaxbi? nexus? controller kdm70 at nexus? controller klesib1 at vaxbi? nexus? disk ra0 at mscp disk ra1 at mscp ... tape tms0 at mscp ... which indeed is very generic. On the other hand, the config file that doconfig builds for me is very different, having knowledge about every bit of bus, cables and unit numbers: controller kdb0 at vaxbi13 nexus3 controller uq4 at kdb50 disk ra8 at uq4 drive8 controller kdm70 at nexus11 controller uq24 at kdm70 vector uqintr disk ra0 at uq24 drive0 disk ra1 at uq24 drive1 ... controller klesib0 at vaxbi14 nexus3 controller uq22 at klesib0 vector uqintr tape tms0 at uq22 ... Why would I want to take the above kind of genericity away from and lock myself into a kernel that only works for a certain configuration of cards in slots, such that whenever I should swap a few cards, I have to boot from a reserve GENERIC kernel and rebuild? If ULTRIX can deal with "nexus?" "vaxbi?" and "mscp" kinds of generic designators, why would I, why would it want to use those overly specific ones? And what is 'uq' anyway? (2) The other little thing is that (a) ULTRIX is not Y2K complient: I haven't convinced date (or anything else) to accept a century for setting the clock and it insists on "02" being rounded up to 1970 :-). (b) I noticed the VAX 6000 has two or three AA batteries (rechargeables) in its console assembly, would they by any chance keep a real time clock running such that resetting the date isn't required all the time (yes I know about time and ntp but I don't have a reliably on machine at home nor a standing internet connection.) cheers, -Gunther - Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FWIW, I have like 4 MVII diag tapes... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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FREE STUFF (Austin, TX)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got the following Sun VME boards. Free for pickup in Austin, TX; if you want me to ship any of them, you'll have to pay shipping and make it worth my while to pack them up, etc. 501 1767 - 4/6x0 memory board pic at http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/memoryboard.jpg.html 501 1855 - IPI controller (x4) 501 1221 - Comm Processor II 501 1203 - ALM-2 501 1217 - SCSI controller (3row DB50) (x2) pics at http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/vmeboards1.jpg.html And these non-Sun (I think) boards; ED5P182-30/G1 - FDDI? (has TX, RX) ED5P182-32/G1 SUN DKHS - FDDI? (has TX, RX) (x2) pics at http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/fddi/ I'm not going to toss them, but I do need them ALL out of the way. I've also got a Toshiba T3100 286 (I think) laptop with hard drive and 720K floppy and spiffy plasma orange screen. MUST PICKUP. WILL NOT SHIP. Makes a *great* serial terminal, because it has a REAL, full-travel keyboard. This is actually more of a "luggable"; it requires AC power. I'm asking $25 for this. pics: http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/laptop/ Oh - one other thing - have an 8-port DELNI AUI concentrator. Free. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Sony FDD MFD-17W-L5(MD-F17W-L5)

by seunggoo＠caltech.edu

I have Sony FDD named MFD-17W-L5(or MD-F17W-L5). It has black mounting panel and one selection switch that has 4 selections from 0 to 3. When the switch set 2, it works after booting. However, I cannot boot using this FDD. And the LED does not work during reading/writing. Please let me know how can I boot using this FDD and make LED run. My compuster is composed of super 7 M/B(PC-Chips M577) with AWADR BIOS, K6-233 CPU, and Windows 98se. Thanks...

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(fwd) cp/m-86 computers looking for a good home (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Please respond to drafter of email below - not to me. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <3C963670.A59AE0AA(a)mentor.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:48:16 -0800 From: Keith Linehan <keith_linehan(a)mentor.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm CC: keith_linehan(a)mentor.com Subject: cp/m-86 computers looking for a good home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: w35d157.wv.mentorg.com X-Original-Trace: 18 Mar 2002 10:48:20 -0800, w35d157.wv.mentorg.com Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: solnews.wv.mentorg.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: solnews.wv.mentorg.com X-Trace: newsgw.mentorg.com 1016477303 solnews.wv.mentorg.com (18 Mar 2002 10:48:23 -0800) Path: news20!uunet!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!newsgw.mentorg.com!solnews.wv.mentorg.co… Xref: news20 comp.os.cpm:47990 I am in the process of gathering together all of my old cp/m-86 stuff and am looking for a good home for it, or it must all end up at the recycler or dump. I am in the Portland Oregon area. I have 3 complete systems and many many extra parts that could keep them running until the next millenium. They are of around 1982 technology. The systems consist of: CPU Unit: Tektronix 4170's with 80186/87 processors, dual 5-1/4" floppies, dual 5 meg ST506 disk drives, and 1 meg of memory, many serial ports, and one parallel and SCSI port Source code for OS, and some source code available for other programs. Software for CAD, CAM, color drawing, and even some good graphic games. SuperCalc, Wordstar, DRgraph, ReportStar, Technicad, Kermit, C-Compiler, etc. All books for software and hardware available. Display Unit: Tektronix 4107 color graphics terminals Other Stuff: outboard disk drives in cabinets pen plotter graphic input tablet dot matrix printer Please let me know if there is any interest. Thanks, Keith Linehan keith_linehan(a)mentor.com -- end of forwarded message --

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MV-II Diags & Customer Diags

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I'll have to check... Hell, if people want me to, I'll post a list of all my DEC SW on TK50 to the list... Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 18, 11:27, Hans Franke wrote: > > [1] People who used ZX81s for robotics normally added a 6116 CMOS RAM (at > > least) onto the expansion connector and removed (or at least disabled) > > the power-hungry interal RAM. > > Wasn't the ZX81 board already prepared to use a 6116 instead ? Yes, it was. I put 6116's in several. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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List Managers reward. was Re: List Management - RESPONSE

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Shannon [mailto:bshannon@tiac.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:23 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: List Managers reward. was Re: List Management - RESPONSE > > > Perhaps List members can help the list manger out here. > > I'm located in centeral Mass, and I have a 6 foot DEC rack > with a PDP 11/34a > that has Jay's name on it. > > Any ideas how we might get this machine to Jay? > > I'm headed out to Boston over the holiday weekend with a full size van. I could get it back as far as Fort Wayne, IN. Let me know! Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >Awrite, now, how does a person translate a geometry to >a DEC drive type? For that matter I don't know which TEST >it is, but either way I don't imagine that the formatter has a >help option... Does it? NO help I know of. It does ask for the parameters but not in RDxx equivelent form. >I have some here but I haven't tested them because there >was no monitor with them. I have some cables and monitors >for uVaxIIGPX and uV3100 but am not sure thay are compatible >and don't want to break anything. Its a DB25 phobia. Most >listers are aware of what problems can come from expecting >compatibility between any two randomly selected DB25 items >(like printing and SCSI, for example). A DEC cable number >would be useful here. Monitor not required. You can use it with a Vt220 or equivelent. the cable needed is BC09 (it has pin 9 connected to ground). That is a nine pin cable with a 25 pin connector at the other end. VS2k pinouts and other details are on the net, try google. Allison

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urgent business/investment deal

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > want the job. There are too many god damned whiners on this list. Now that I can agree with. :) Let's all agree to stop whining about all of the spam now. (Sorry guys, I couldn't resist that one.) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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List Management - RESPONSE

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > Please read the entire message below from the list admin (who > is trying very > hard not to come out of his skin and choke someone)... I, for one, wouldn't blame you if you did. > You wrote... > > > > I don't think Jay has enough time to manage the list anymore. I > suggest > > > > we find a new operator. > What color is the sky in your world? I don't recall whether I responded to this, myself, but my response would have been along the same lines. > As a side comment - It's rather amusing that some people have > told me I do > too much, others are now telling me I do too little. Hummm Too much, in the sense of "you don't really have to do all of this?" Or too much as in "you're getting heavy handed?" I find the latter hard to believe, but would agree with the former. It's been said before, though, this is your list, no matter how much some people may like to complain about it. > For example - take a look at the subject of this thread "Big African > Grifters". Hummm ya think maybe that might be something I > wouldn't care to > read? Why did I finally see this convo? Because someone had I have to offer the observation that if everyone did this, they'd just delete all the emails with the subject "Make Money Fast@!@@!@!!!!", and this spam thing would never come up. :) Some people have a strange need to read every piece of spam that they come across, even if they're marked clearly. > the forsight to > put "list management" at the front of the subject. I submit > that most people > skim the list the same way I do, watching the subject lines > for something Well, see my comment above. ;) > on the list privately about it, and I will announce my > intended solution as > soon as I am damn well ready to commit to something. Yes, I Anyway, the point of this was to express my support of your basically doing whatever you "damn well" please with your time, resources, and mailing list. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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VAX 6400 booting saga: SUCCESS!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >> Get a VAXstation 2000, also called RD MFM disk >> formater. The VS2k has a MFM disk formater in ROM. > >Will that work with any MFM drive geometry or only the >four RDxx types that mVAXes like? > >John A. Yes it will, however you need to supply the parameters for that where the RDxx types are already known. You should have two VS2000. They are small and they also make a fun uVAX! The second of course is for formatting media. Allison

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MVII Diags Chapter 2

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

OK, Friends & Neighbors. First, I'm starting to think that the original tape is damaged. The cptape utility suggested by Jochen seems to be Doing The Right Thing, but gets errors. dd has no qualms at all as long as the TKZ50-GA is set to a variable blocksize, but errors out on file #7. If I set "conv=noerror" for dd to ignore read errors, it saws away forever at the same file. And, if I boot the uVAX from either the original or the one "probably good" copy [1], sometimes it sees the RD53 disks as RD51. Not consistently. When it does, it hangs solid on a custom format. I'll be putting the -GA on a VMS box this evening and try the VMSTPCE copy. It makes sense to make the tape in its native OS. [1] I did get a good set of files with the TUHS cptape. Problem is that AFAICT the partner program, maketape, only understands 512*N blocksizes. The diags tape has a lot of files in 80B blocks. The good copy was made with dd, setting blocksize file by file. 82 files, that is.... Anybody remember the Bash test statement for [ FILE <larger-than> FILE] ? It would come in REAL handy, and I'm having a brain-fart. Doc

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TRS80 Model 1 question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Err, whatcha gonna format the media on, Doc! If memory serves... TRSDOS used delete address marks and only a system with 1771 can write it... Oops! It's possible there are later version that are cleaned in that respect. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)optonline.net> To: ClassCompList <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: TRS80 Model 1 question Hello, all: I plan on playing with my old Model 1this weekend so that I can get the floppy drive working. Since I suffer from random bit-rot, can someone tell me which disk operating system shipped with the drive option? My system is a 48k Level II with the Percom controller and drive. I don't have any disks for it any more, but I was going to use the TRS81 emulator to create new disks for it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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AS/400?

by skate＠ao.net

I have the same hardware as on this message but again I no idea where to start. Can anyone help me/point me as to where to start so I can start experimenting with this box?. Freddy Zapata skate(a)ao.net

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VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Ok, The LK201, 301 and 401 are interchangeable, regardless of the cpu used internally. There is NO VAX, Decmate, Pro version or rainbow version save for different colored key caps. I regually swap LKx01 where x={2,3,4} keyboards with any VAX, Decmate, VT220, 320, 330, 340, Pro3xx and friends. They all used the same cord set. I happen to prefer older LK201 for keyfeel, and later LK401s for the sculptured layout. The LK250 however is a TOTALLY different animal and uses different keycoding to be compatable with PCs or VAXmate (a sorta PC). There are several different cordsets for this one. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Carlini, Antonio <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: RE: VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers >>Maybe it's related to the age of the keyboards. All the ones I've worked >>on originally came with VT220s or Bows/Pros/DECmates. I would guess the >>6805 version came out later. > >I'm going to get this wrong here :-) but >isn't the LK201 used on the VT220 (and >later terminals) but the LK201 used on the >Rainbow? (I guess that the Pro 380 et al. >use the same keyboard as the Rainbow, >but I don't have any of those). > >The LK201 specs are in one of the appandices >that come with the VAXstation 3200 manuals >(possibly in the separate VCB02 tech manual). >The Rainbow tech manual almost certainly >includes the LK250 spec (I have that scanned >too, but it's not available anywhere yet, I think). > >If someone is looking to develop a PIC LK2xx >implementation, it would be nice to handle >both variants. > >Antonio

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DEC RRD43 terminator

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

Been googling for info on the DEC RRD43 CD drive with little success over the last couple of days. So, a couple of questions for the DEC gurus out there: Does anyone know what the various jumper settings are? I'm trying to work out how the thing is currently configured. There are two "centronics-style" connectors on the back. Do I need a terminator for one if the other's plugged into a VAXstation? What does it mean when the yellow LED flashes? At the moment I don't have a cable to hook it up so I switched it on standalone just to see what happened. The yellow LED flashes and the only way I can open the CD tray is to stick an unfolded paperclip into the release hole :-) Is this something to worry about or just due to the drive not being hooked up to the VAXstation? TIA Al.

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VT-320 Hack+Tip for Smokers

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002; Loboyko Steve <sloboyko(a)yahoo.com> wrote: VT320: > I noted > that there is a blanking plate on the back for the > RS-232 port - all you have are the MMJ connectors for > printer and i/o. I found out these connectors and > their crimpers are hard to find/pricey, and I didn't > want to spend a lot of money on these terminals. I > considered removing the blanking plate, putting in the > DB-25 connector (no place on my unit's PCB for one - > odd), Both the VT320 and VT420 have the blanking plate, both nowhere in the manuals for either of them is there any mention of it. My manuals all say 'North American' version of something similar. I suspect a common case, and maybe a different circuit board for those folks on the other side of the pond. Any confirmation? LK201: > I found a few of the keys didn't work right on > one of them. This is one of those conductive rubber > dome keyboards (and cheap and junky ones at that). > They ask quite a bit for them on the 'net > ("refurbished", usually meaning they blow the dirt out > with compressed air). With the LK201, blowing out the dirt is about the extent of it. The keyboard assembly is such that you can not easily disassemble it to do a good cleaning. I had a couple that were really flaky, so I decided to try an experiment. I soaked each of them in a solution for a few days, hoping to dislodge some of the deep down crud. No success. I salvaged the keycaps and disposed of the rest. > I can find better PC keyboards new for around $4.99. If you mean as in 'Wintel', they are not compatable. > What to do. 1) I got a stack of untested LK201's. Stop by (Indiana) and pick a couple up. 2) Try an LK401 instead. Being newer than an LK201, I have only ran across one flaky one. The nice thing about the LK401 is that you can tear down, clean, and reassemble one in a reasonable amount of time. > Well, I cut off > about 3/16" of a cigarette filter (with the paper on) > and put it in the tube above the torn dome connector. > I trimmed it a bit after testing the feel of the key, > and it works rather well, especially for my typing > style (not particularly speedy and somewhat ham-fisted). An imaginative fix! Ok folks, let's empty our ashtrays and ship our butts off to Steve. ;^) Mike

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