>One thing that might be interested is to see if I can find a PCI hose for
>it, find source code for the PCI hose driver for a free OS (I'm pretty
>sure that there is one out there somewhere), and try to write a VMS driver
>for the PCI hose on OpenVMS/VAX?
Can you get a PCI hose for it? I forget.
If you can then you could also get one of
those 3rd party PCI<->Q-bus boards and
create a loop :-)
>Then I could try to get a PCI
>framebuffer working, but then how would I go about attaching a keyboard
>and mouse?
PCI->USB?
Antonio
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
drivers and sense amps on it so that might make things easier. However there
are some things that you have to do with core and I don't know if they
handled in hardware or if the OS had to take care of it. For example,
reading core is destructive, that is it erases the contents so you have to
store the contents back into it before you do anything else (unless you
don't care if it's lost). That seems like it wou!
> ld be easy enough to do in HW but I don't know if that's what they did.
Not an OS task. It's usually handled in hardware either in the CPU
microcode or as a synchronous
timing with the cpu such that if the cpu is going to alter the data at the
location it's already started
the cycle. Some will stop the memory cycle after the read to see if it
should write the old data
back or alter it, this is usually signaled by the cpu before it outputs a
new address.
That would be ideal as you have something you may have data on, most of the
circuits and
even a clue on the timing. I'd love to play with something like that rather
than a scratch build.
Allison
>
> Joe
>
>At 11:41 AM 4/3/02 -0600, you wrote:
>>Right off, let me say that I know next to nothing about the realities of
>>using core memory. I only know that it looks like pretty cool stuff to
>>play with. Would I be completely off my tree to try to build a core
>>memory interface from scratch, assuming I had a pre-strung core frame with
>>all the cores and wires intact? When I say "interface", I mean basically
>>something that will let me talk to the core from a PC or from my
>>recently-completed Mark-8 using TTL or CMOS levels. If I have a 64x64
>>frame, would I just need something on the order of 256 driver transistors
>>(one to drive each of the X and Y wires in either direction) plus some
>>kind of op-amp or comparator circuit to monitor the sense wire (is there
>>just one of these per frame?) and determine whether or not a bit has
>>flipped during a read pulse? Or are there all sorts of ghosts and goblins
>>lurking in core memory that I don't want to confront?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net]
> classical stations. I guess I'll have to settle for Radio
> Cuba on SW. :^)
At least that way you're acting in support of a more honest
organization than RIAA (the Cuban government)!
> The US corporate beast is getting VERY greedy. They may bite
> off more
> than they can chew, if they wake up enough of the US populace.
They may, but it's just about as likely as them deciding that
McDonalds isn't a good place to go out for food.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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In a message dated 4/3/2002 8:33:45 AM Central Standard Time,
r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com writes:
> >><< A bit too new to be on topic, but... I was scrounging through some
> >> >>stuff
> >>yesterday, and unearthed a set of original diskettes for an IBM PS/1.
> >> >>
> >
> >do you know what model PS/1?
>
> Well.... I only have the disks, and not a PS/1. They were part of another
> lot of stuff that I got...
>
> Is there a way to tell from a file on the disk, or some number on the
> outside of the disk?
>
>
Unfortunately, I've been away from IBM for several years now. The early
models used 9 or so, and the later more standard models used ~14 or more. If
not claimed, I will take them.
>
> Pardon the ignorance here,
>
> But which would you guys consider to be the most
> modernly functional one of the 1986 bunch?
>
> (What I am trying to do together here is get a setup of only stuff made in
> 1986.... It'd be neat to have a system exactly the same age as me :))
I do believe most of us had that figured out.
This list isn't really about modern computers. But hands down, the
Macintosh would be the most modern of the bunch. Although it's
not color-capable, the user interface is has is what Bill Gates stole
>from Apple and used to build Windows. So you'd be most at home
there.
I've been a Mac advocate from the beginning, but for my own purposes,
computers with operating systems that provide a text-mode shell, such
as the *nixen and its derivitives, VMS, Primos, DOS, are preferable. As
someone with a tiny bit of a math background, the ability you gain with
a sophisticated command-line environment is great. In most of these
operating systems, you can string commands togther like factors in
an equation, and perform complex transformations on sets of files all
at once. Hard to do that with a Graphical User Interface.
To the List: Was the AT&T 3B2 still being made in '86? If so, there's a
good choice for him. I even know where he could get one...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2002 1:20 am
Subject: RE: RE: Computers Manufactured in 1986
> For a 1000 -- are you sure? :) I have a much easier time finding
> software for my 520ST.
As long as the software isn't AGA specific (or takes advantage of some
of the graphics boards available), or will only run on one of the later
OSes, then it'll run on the A1000.
cheers,
Lance
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> care of it. For example, reading core is destructive, that is
> it erases the contents so you have to store the contents back
> into it before you do anything else (unless you don't care if
> it's lost). That seems like it wou!
> ld be easy enough to do in HW but I don't know if that's
> what they did.
The Hazeltine 2000 is a 1972-era computer terminal. It used core
memory, but did not have a microprocesor, and therefore, no
software.
So at least the Hazeltine did it in hardware.
When you'd turn it back on, it usually lost some bits, but you
would always bring up the last screen that had been displayed,
if someone didn't explicitly clear it. Not the kind of terminal
to use in secure installtions...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
Forwarded for any possible help; REPLY TO MR. DOWNMAN, not to me. I'm
just the nosey forwarder....
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:15:52 +1000
From: Jim Downman & Assoc. <djhdow(a)big.net.au>
Reply-To: dxsoft(a)yahoogroups.com
To: dxsoft(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Language Converter
How does one convert old Smith Corona Word Processor Diskettes for use on
the hard drive of my Windows XP System. They contain years of hard work
and valuable imformation ??? The diskettes are low density 740KB size.
Can somebody help.?? Jim VK4FAD
--------end fwd-----------
In a message dated 4/3/2002 12:14:38 PM Central Standard Time,
pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com writes:
> Don't remeber the model number, but the 286-based micro-thin PS/1 my
> parents bought back in '90 had 13 disks for it's 'install/backup set'.
> The system was about 2in thick, 12in wide, included a Mouse, PS/1 software
> crap, IBM DOS 4.0, MSWorks for Dos, 1M of RAM, a 1.4M floppy drive and 40M
> IDE hard drive. the included 12" monitor also included they system's
> power supply (how the thing was made so dang small). Also included a
> weird internal 2400baud modem with a non-standard interface.
>
> The system got tossed (not sure I can say I'm sad about it either) when my
> parents move to a condo a couple years ago.
>
>
yes, that's the 2011 model with DOS in ROM. pretty neat little machine. You
could even get one with 512k, no HDD and mono screen. Found the addon second
story 5.25 addition for $5 in the box a few weeks ago.
>Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:07:15 EST
>From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com
>Subject: Re: IBM PS/1 Recovery/Install diskettes available
>In a message dated 4/2/02 5:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com writes:
>
>><< A bit too new to be on topic, but... I was scrounging through some
>> >>stuff
>>yesterday, and unearthed a set of original diskettes for an IBM PS/1.
>> >>
>
>do you know what model PS/1?
Well.... I only have the disks, and not a PS/1. They were part of another
lot of stuff that I got...
Is there a way to tell from a file on the disk, or some number on the
outside of the disk?
Rich B.
_________________________________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com]
> Humm... better send Apple's QT team to jail, sounds like they are
> releasing software that can bypass copy protection. :-)
Not only that, but the OS team too, since their OS allows one to
just copy files all over the place willy nilly! ;)
Get those nasty people at IEEE, while you're at it, since some
of their standards are designed to facilitate "data interchange."
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
> At NCC (which was once the biggest show in the US, soon
> thereafter passed
> by by Comdex), booth staff at several manufacturers were incapable of
> imagining ANY possible use of disk format conversion other
> than the making
> of unauthorized copies of their proprietary software. In fact,
Yes, folks, people really are That Stupid. I wouldn't have suggested
this if I didn't think it was a possibility, but I find it incredibly
funny that it's actually been tried already. :)
> representatives of TWO companies threatened to sue me if I
> included their
> disk formats!
> Although I was out of town, and staying in a hotel room, I
> stayed up late
> that night to make sure that theirs were the very next formats that I
> added.
You did exactly what I would have done in that situation, perhaps
with a prominent note in the manual as to why.
> But neither company kept their promise of providing me with
> massive free
> publicity.
My only worry is that these days, they might actually go through
with it.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I found what looks like to be a line monitor. It has two RS-232C DB25
connectors on the back, labeled connector 1 and connector 2, there is also a
barrel type connector labeled video out. The front panel which is hinged at
the bottom and is the keyboard, folds down and reveals a small monitor. The
keys appear membrane contact type. There are buttons labeled send and
receive. There is a QWERTY keyboard and number pad and additional buttons.
The label is Atlantic Richfield and immediately below it is Interview 3600.
It appears to be the size and form factor of a Compaq luggable. There are
no card slots or other openings on the back besides the power connector, 2
DB25 connections and external video.
Has anybody seen one of these? I suppose if could be some kind of disk or
interface exerciser.
Google turns up nothing.
Thanks
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
> This idiodic bill bill sounds like a sure fire way to
> kill the electronics industry in the US. I wonder who Fritz
> Hollings really works for, the Taliban? In any event, it
> will NEVER happen in the US, we already smuggle in huge
> quantities of drugs, gun s, booze, parrots and everything
> else that the US government attempts to ban so I guess we may
> have to add computers to the list next.
Doc's response seems to be typical- it sounds so outrageous
that there's no way it could happen.
However, I nonetheless urge everyone to write their U.S.
representative and Senator and inform them that this and
any similar legislation is unacceptable to you. In order
to keep your message short, I suggest that you not elucidate
the many reasons why it's bad, but instead offer to do so
in a follow-up correspondance.
Regards,
-doug q
Not that many trasistors more like 128 diodes.
You would need to know:
1-The switching current for the core:
2-the half select current(related to #1):
3-Time to switch
4-is it a 2d or 3d array(word or bit frame)
5-single sense/inhibit or serperate sense and inhibit lines.
Words are driven by the same drivers as an individual bit so
that saves parts. Generally there is an array of multiplexed
devices to drive the array, for a 64x64 that would likely mean
only 128 driver devices (best done as integrated stuff like
TI 754xx parts) and a lot of steering diodes.
You will need a sense amp per bit and an inhibit driver per bit.
Most core systems use a delay line to get the timing as the
cycle is RMW (read/modify or rewrite) as core is destructive
read out (generally) so you have to write the data back. The
time you sense the bit change is tied to the core used and
varies some with temperature and current. Also the sense
amp must discriminate from noise and a valid pulse related
to a bit change.
Oh, it will be slow. Most core system were over .5us{500nS}
Tacc and Tcy are typically 1.0-1.6us{1000-1600nS} .
It's a rewarding task but non-trivial nor small. FYI: you need
a heafty low noise multiple voltage power supply to run it.
Me, I'm looking at a 16k semiconductor memory replacement
for a PDP-8f that is simple. This would be a resource to those
that have found an -8 without enough core or to replace bad
core. This is of course a IMCFT project.
Allison
{IMCFT >>> In My Copious Free Time}
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Richman <bill(a)timeguy.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:58 PM
Subject: Core Memory Interfacing?
>Right off, let me say that I know next to nothing about the realities of
>using core memory. I only know that it looks like pretty cool stuff to
>play with. Would I be completely off my tree to try to build a core
>memory interface from scratch, assuming I had a pre-strung core frame with
>all the cores and wires intact? When I say "interface", I mean basically
>something that will let me talk to the core from a PC or from my
>recently-completed Mark-8 using TTL or CMOS levels. If I have a 64x64
>frame, would I just need something on the order of 256 driver transistors
>(one to drive each of the X and Y wires in either direction) plus some
>kind of op-amp or comparator circuit to monitor the sense wire (is there
>just one of these per frame?) and determine whether or not a bit has
>flipped during a read pulse? Or are there all sorts of ghosts and goblins
>lurking in core memory that I don't want to confront?
>
>
>
>
> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman <dquebbeman(a)acm.org>
>
> >> PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >Cincinnati Milacron
>
> Ok, since your so good as to fix the spelling, maybe you
> know where oneis?
>
> I woked with them briefly in '73, never seen them since.
Last one I saw was in the Humanities Department at IU,
hooked to a CDC 607 tape drive and running one of the
first lazer light shows, called Soleil, in 1977.
They *may* still have it... or someone associated with
the school probably does. Don Byrd was the guy working
with it, he's up at some school in Boston now, I think...
The PDP-8 clone I'm looking for is the Harris/COPE 1200...
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) said:
> > Don't eat sandwiches while you're soldering...and wash your hands when
> > you're done ;-) Lead in gasoline (petrol over here) was a bigger
> > problem.
>
> But I am not at all convinced that the alternatives that are added to
> 'unleaded' petrol are any more healthy...
Hmm... Now you've me a bit more to worry about...
> > Resin flux is a known carcinogen, so don't breathe the fumes.
>
> Oh _great_. Still, it's a well-known fact that research causes cancer in
> rats :-)
ROFL!
Theoretically, judging by the amount of solder flux I've inhaled over the
past few years, I should be either on my deathbed or have some form of
cancer by now...
Fact: If I listed every single chemical I've ever exposed myself to, it
would probably be long enough such that if I printed it out, it would go to
the sun and back...
And some of the chemicals on that list:
Acetic acid (photographic stopbath)
Hydroquinone (photographic developer)
God-knows-what (photographic fixer)
Acetone (nailvarnish remover)
Whatever SRBP board dumps when heated to 180 deg C (toner transfer)
Ferric Chloride (PCB etchant)
Lead (solder)
Rosin (solder flux - Maplin probably don't use it in their lousy
"Adepto" solder)
Xylene (Electrolube lacquer pen)
Mercury (glass tiltswitch)
Need I go on? Once again, my philosophy is "Screw it - I'm going to snuff it
at some point anyway".
And if scraping my fingers (and cutting them) with solderjoints is as bad as
breathing in solder fumes, I should REALLY be dead by now...
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)bigfoot.com
http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/
A good choice is the MIT flea, held every 3rd sunday starting April
through September. It's in Cambridge MA (nearly Boston.)
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com>
To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)
>> Maybe we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT?
>
>I'm all for something like this. NYC/Boston is my route, so New
>Haven is right on it. I've driven as far as Rochester (350?mi) for
>such purposes. Washington, DC would be in my range.
>Maynard, MA would be a neat choice for historic reasons.
>
>John A.
>
>
I'd also be quite happy with Washington DC (It's just
an hour or so away from me :-) additionally, it has a number of
interesting sites to visit (Smithsonian?) for those
who haven't been here before.
-al-
-acorda(a)1bigred.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:35 AM
> To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)
>
>
> > Maybe we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT?
>
> I'm all for something like this. NYC/Boston is my route, so New
> Haven is right on it. I've driven as far as Rochester (350?mi) for
> such purposes. Washington, DC would be in my range.
> Maynard, MA would be a neat choice for historic reasons.
>
> John A.
>
>
From: Douglas H. Quebbeman <dquebbeman(a)acm.org>
>> PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Cincinnati Milacron
Ok, since your so good as to fix the spelling, maybe you know where one
is?
I woked with them briefly in '73, never seen them since.
Allison
> Hmmm PDP-1 eh?
>
> I could emulate it .. ;^>
If you do, try separating the graphics display
emulator from the computer emulator... then we
could use it for yet still other emulated systems!
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
I usually don't post from work but this need to be noted and discussed!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341836302
For those of you who can not check the link out: it's a collection of gaming
consoles with a bid of $11,600.00
Yes that's eleven thousand six hundred bucks. Granted it has some nice pieces I
can't add it up to that amount.
Francois
From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
>> Maybe we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT?
>
>I'm all for something like this. NYC/Boston is my route, so New
>Haven is right on it. I've driven as far as Rochester (350?mi) for
>such purposes. Washington, DC would be in my range.
>Maynard, MA would be a neat choice for historic reasons.
Sounds good to me too, I'm near Springfield MA so I can hit anywhere in
NE easily, or eastern NY.
John Wilson
D Bit
I'd be interested on an occasional basis... I live in Virginia, but I
grew up (and most of my family lives in) New Haven, so it would be simply
another visit home for me.
-al-
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linc Fessenden [mailto:linc@thelinuxlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:03 AM
> To: David Woyciesjes
> Cc: port-vax(a)netbsd.org; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: DEC swap meet?(RE: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's)
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote:
>
> > (cc'd to ClassicCmp list, I'm sure there's interest there...)
> >
> > > From: Brian Hechinger
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:26:23PM -0800, Lyle Bickley wrote:
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > May I make another suggestion? A bunch of us here in
> the Silicon Valley
> > > are
> > > > fans of old DEC equipment. We get 'em and restore 'em.
> Some favor PDPs
> > > (one
> > > > guy even has two DEC 10's), some favor the smaller 11's
> and others of us
> > > like
> > > > old VAXes. At any rate, we meet once a month for lunch and swap
> > > stories,
> > > > tell what stuff we've picked up, etc. All of us are
> willing to trade
> > > > equipment or donate books and equipment to each other.
> We studiously
> > > avoid
> > > > EBAY.
> > >
> > > so who's on the east coast that would like to do this?
> i'm in philly, and
> > > i
> > > know isildur is in pittsburg. don't know where we would
> want to meet
> > > though,
> > > since some people would have to travel far for that.
> thoughts? ideas?
> > > --
> > >
> > I'd be up for it. A flea-market swap-meet kinda thing,
> right? Maybe
> > we can get something going up here in New Haven, CT?
>
> I am in as well.. Problem is I live in between Isildur and
> Brian so PA is
> looking better and better :-)
>
> -Linc Fessenden
>
> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2002 5:04 am
Subject: Re: Computers Manufactured in 1986^H^H56
> Stan Barr wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > jpero(a)sympatico.ca said:
> > > > > > I suppose to commemorate my birth, I'll need to get an S-
> 100 box
Ok, so what would I need for 1965 ?
cheers,
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Thanks to all for you comments on the S-100 and Imsai.
The reason I got intersted in this was back in the late 70's I worked for
an OEM and we rolled out data Entry/Retrieval system on Datapoint, Then moved
to the Imsai, and then the Intel SBC 8086 running RMX/86. This was my first
programming job. Everything was written in assembler and progressed to
PL/I then finally forth. I loved this job. Back then programmers appreciated
tight code and knew how to save a few bytes of code.
It was amazing what we did with the Imsai. I think we had 30+ serial connections
to data entry terminals with keypunch operators banging away at 100 WPM! The
terminals were also used for data base retrieval over a dedicated line
connected to our mainframe, a Xerox Sigma 9. Our mainframe application
was written in assembler as welll (MetaSymbol).
I also ported a few 8080/z80 applications to 8086.
When I left the company ten years later we had piles of Imsai's on pallets
and didn't know what to do with them. I bet they ended up in a landfill
somewhere! Wish I had just a pallet of them today!
It's been twenty years since I worked on the Imsai. Most of my knowledge
on these and other S-100 systems is burried in my brian somewhere problem
is I can't seem to fetch it :^)
At any rate I'm up for the challange and am looking forward to putting my Imsai
system together.
Any ex employee's of Science Dynamics (Torrance, Ca) out there? Jeff, Neil,
Ralph, Dave, and Less are you there?
and then
> From: Bryan Pope
>
> And thusly Dan Wright spake:
> >
> > Tony Duell said:
> > >
> > > And as for restricting knowledge that could be used to commit crimes,
> > > well, you'd better remove the brains of most of the population right
> now...
> >
> > Has everyone read _1984_? I just finished it and it's quite good ;)
> anyway,
> > very instructive, and frightening, on this point...
> >
>
> Ooooh.... And what about Farenheit 451?! This was required reading at my
> high school. Ray Bradbury was just honored with some award a few days
> ago.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bryan
>
Another very excellent book, that I read (what feels like) ages
ago...
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> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Doc wrote:
> > > You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;)
> > They probably will, very soon. :(
>
> Did John Draper write "Easy Writer" WHILE he was in jail?
Hmmm... He stayed with my family during a 3-day stop
in September 1978... I gave him a 23-channel CB radio
to ease the trip out, and he gave me a copy of a Nektar
album (it wasn't "Remember the Future"). White and olive
drab VW Microbus.
>From what I've pieced together, EasyWriter must have
gotten started when he got back to the Left Coast.
He *might* have started formulating the ideas while in
Harrisburg (Harrisville?) State Prison.
We corresponded for a while before he went in;
I was an early user on WRBBS (Ward and Randy's BBS),
and if it wasn't that BBS, it might have been The Well
or one of the other Kalifornia BBSs...
I contacted Adam Osborne, and asked if he could use
his clout to help John out. His reply was that while he
didn't necessarily accept the Government's version
of what happened, that John was indeed in deep doodoo
and anyone that tried to help would get sh*t on their
shoes.
Now John's doing fine, tho work comes to him slowly,
and poor Adam Osborne is slowly dying in a village in
India, from Parkinson's Disease. BTW, I'm told that one
of Adam's expressed wishes is that he be left to go in
peace... Let's all thank him for his efforts and achievements,
and wish him a Happy Journey into the hereafter.
And please don't take that the wrong way. He was right-
my brief association with John led to my departure from
my position at the University where I'd hoped to get on
full-time... but I bear absolutely no grudge for that. The
system just plain sucks.
-dq
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blacklord [mailto:blacklord@telstra.com]
> But the Miggy had more & in better quality :-) (And they're
> still being
> written for too.....)
For a 1000 -- are you sure? :) I have a much easier time finding
software for my 520ST.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote:
>
>
> > PASCAL User Manual and Report
> > Authors: Jensen & Wirth
> > Pub: Springer-Verlag
>
> bookfinder.com throws up multiple copies....
Cool... do you think I can trade some S-100 boards for one?
What? Bookfinder.com won't do ClassicCmp trades?
:(
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
> From: Dan Wright
>
>
> Tony Duell said:
> >
> > And as for restricting knowledge that could be used to commit crimes,
> > well, you'd better remove the brains of most of the population right
> now...
>
> Has everyone read _1984_? I just finished it and it's quite good ;)
> anyway,
> very instructive, and frightening, on this point...
>
> - Dan Wright
>
Read that ages ago. Excellent book....
--- David A Woyciesjes
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Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> From: Brian Hechinger
>
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 10:02:47AM -0500, Lord Isildur wrote:
> >
> > PA would definitely be a plus to me. If its an hour or two drive, i
> would
> > have a high chance of getting there, but if its more than that i
> probably
> > wouldnt.
>
> what halfway not-shitty town east of you is withing reason? pick
> something,
> let's see if it's an ok place to meet.
>
> close to pittsburg means we might convince Rob S. to stop out as well, but
> damn pittsburg is a haul from here.
>
> -brian
> --
Personally, I'd probably make a weekend of it, or something, if I
can...
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001
Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cincinnati Milacron
;)
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
Good Morning...
I used to have a copy of:
PASCAL User Manual and Report
Authors: Jensen & Wirth
Pub: Springer-Verlag
It had a silver cover with red & black printing. I loaned it out,
it never came back.
If anyone has a copy they'd part with, or finds one, please
contact me.
Thanks,
-doug quebbeman
-Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"]
Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
>> My birth-year is 1972, in that era what typical 'puter small enough
>> to fit on desk or on floor (tower) and easy to ship?
>
>PDP-8/M? Some early PDP-11 (/05?) Too early for the i4004. I do have
4004 was there, and the 8008 was just about there (sept 82 intro).
PDP-8e of various forms, Cincinattai Millichron CM2000/2100/2200 to
name an oddball.
Allison
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
>> I like the PDP-8 but am unhappy that a 12/24 cpu never hit the
>> monolithic chip market.
>
>That would have been fun.
>
>> Well I don't but remember with out the proper I/O a pdp-8 is NO FUN.
Yes, and the big highlight of the PDP-8 (omnibus) was the relative ease
of doing one off IO. It was truly easy to WW a quad card to do most
anything.
Allison
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
>The EPROMs themselves are not worth recycling (from the standpoint that
>they are more valuable with DM firmware than as ordinary blanks). The
>contents might be worth archving (not that they aren't already). I was....
SNIP>>>
I wasn't suggesting they had significant value but did point out they were
at least removeable and therefor usable.
>The UARTs are 6402s, right? Not an uncommon chip outside of the Wintel
>world. Still available in quantity, AFAIK.
Correct but, if your building it's nice to not have to buy if you have!
>Would the 6121 have any application outside of a DECmate? It's part of
>the wierd console emulation on the DM, isn't it?
It's the IO port device (decode and register control). It's not quite
standard
PDP-8 but it is generally useful.
>> The DMIII it will be the 6120 and maybe a 6121 plus 2882 and the eproms,
>> though I'm less sure as it's been a long time since I've had to open one.
>
>What's the 2882 do?
UART. The DMIII had D7201 {intel 8274} dual USARTs, not common but useful
as it's nearly identical to the Z80 SIO but, intended for
8080/8085/8088/8086
style busses.
Allison
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
>
>DECmate? I think the DM-III(+) was sold until 1994. I'd have to look up
>what model was contemporary to 1986; I'd guess the DECmate-II.
DMII was maybe 83ish.
>The question is, though, is this thread about computers you could
>walk down the street and _buy_ in 1986, or ones that were _introduced_
>in 1986? The second is a much smaller list, naturally.
That would generally exclude much with 386 or higher.
'86 was the Z100 series, last of the CP/M-80 machines like Kaypros
and Compupro S100 crates. Microvax-I was there and VAXMATE
was just around the corner (integrated 286 boxen). It was also a point
on the broad 286 peak. The Workstation wars were warming up around
then as well, this would lead to Sun, Apollo, DECstations{mips} and
later VAXstations.
Biggest impression of '86, WYSIWYG printing and Graphical screens
making a big surge.
Allison
Hey folks...I know there are a lot of HP calc people here; a friend
of mine is looking for an HP48G manual, the "HP 48G Series Advanced
User's Reference Manual"...no luck with either HP or eBay; does anyone
have a copy of this that they might wanna turn loose of, or maybe do
some scanning from?
Thanks,
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant,
St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar
Hi,
I have a HP 9000/700, 50 MHz, 128 MB RAM, 1.x GB SCSI disk. Original HP
keyboard and mouse included plus an HP 99784A 19'' monitor. Everything
is in good working condition and so far I have had no problems with this
system. HP-UX 10.20 is installed, I'll include media if needed (you
know, the license is bound to the hardware).
I wand to trade for something, dunno, make an offer. You would have to
fetch it from northern Germany or send a freight forwarder.
Thomas
--
Thomas S. Strathmann http://pdp7.org
If God had intended Man to Smoke, He would have set him on Fire.
----- Original Message -----
From: "maximum entropy" <entropy(a)tappedin.com>
To: <wonko(a)arkham.ws>
Cc: <fordluvr(a)juno.com>; <wonko(a)arkham.ws>; <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Off Topic? PDP 11 1134/1145's
> >Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:28:45 -0500
> >From: Brian Hechinger <wonko(a)arkham.ws>
> >
> >On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:46:25PM -0800, joseph p bennardo wrote:
> >
> >> I can't say why they want them destroyed, but if you knew the company
> >> you'd understnad a bit better.
> >
> >i probably still wouldn't understand. there is no good reason that i
know of.
>
> I did get an almost reasonable justification for this sort of demented
> behavior once. Some computer parts are considered hazardous waste.
> If I take a machine from some company, then dump it for whatever
> reason, there's a possibility (however remote) of it being traced back
> to that company (via serial numbers or whatever). They could then
> potentially be held liable for the illegal dumping. Of course, it
> would be simple enough to provide a bill of sale for $0.01, or some
> other documentation of the transfer of ownership. But I did lose out
> on one deal where that was seen as just too much hassle for the
> beaurocrats involved.
When I aquired my VAX 6310 I signed a paper absolving them of all
responsibility for the beast. (Didn't sign one for the TU81+...) At first
I didn't want to sign, but after a few seconds of thinking about it I
couldn't come up with a plasuable reason not to, so I did. Got a copy for
my records though, it should be stuffed inside her somewhere.
Bob
> --
> entropy -- it's not just a good idea, it's the second law.
>You've misinterpreted my meaning. I was responding to a poster who
>suggested that the intent underlying the development of a
>product was relevant to the appropriateness of its use. That I disagree
>with this position does not mean, as you have assumed, that
>I automatically adopt the other extreme -- that because there is an
>inappropriate use for a product, it cannot be used at all. Your
>attempt at a false dichotomy is rather transparent.
I would HOPE it was transparent... it was meant as a tongue in cheek
response. I didn't honestly think you believed in the extreme logical end
to the concept.
Sorry, I thought it would be understood as a goof when I asked for your
car. :-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I've got a card out of an Apple IIe that has a bunch of 7400 chips on it,
a 4-switch dip switch, a 26pin header, and an EPROM with a label that says
"GPC" on it. The board also has "GPC" and "519" silk-screened on the
comonent side and "Made in Taiwan R.O.C." on the solder side. Google
doesnt seem to reveal anything useful.
Any ideas what this is?