- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 15, 14:24, David Woyciesjes wrote: > That's close, but what I'm looking for clips around the rails, not > into the hole, which is round. This looks almost exactly like it, at the > bottom of the page... > "Palnut Multi-Thread U-Nut" > http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/retaining/palunut.html DEC (and Sun, etc) used something like that but with a real nut welded (?) onto the clip, like the diagrams at the top of http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/utypenrcat.html I've always known the ones DEC used simply as Tinnerman nuts. The other type used by DEC is like a strip of spring steel wrapped round the nut and then formed into a springy clip that clips round the rails (sorry, can't find a picture). The correct size for rack screws is 10-32 UNF, rather smaller than any of the ones on the PalNut page. > > From: Carl Lowenstein > > > > You would be happier with the type of fastener that uses real machine > > screws rather than the sheet-metal type screws that some racks have. > > There is a nice picture of them on the Tinnerman Web site at > > > > < http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/nutretcat.html > The picture of a retainer nut (which happens to be made by Tinnerman in this case, but isn't what I'd call a "Tinnerman nut") at the top of that page is of what everyone over here calls a "caged nut". They're used on european racks, which have square holes not round ones; the normal size takes an M6 screw (DEC screwss are 10-32 UNF, which is very similar to M5). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Entirely likely, I did get a lot of stuff from MMI over the years and some of the other related companies. I still have and use PALASM and PALASM90. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >It may, in fact be about the same as my old version. I got mine from MMI back >when THEY were the ones pushing FPGA technology. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 AM >Subject: Re: TTL computing > > >> Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number >> but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else >> right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help >> with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them. >> >> >> Allison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM >> Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> >> >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA >> >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended for >> the >> >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series. >> > >> >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series >> bitstreams? >> > >> >Dick >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM >> >Subject: Re: TTL computing >> > >> > >> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison? >> >> >> >> >> >> OLD tools, as in dos based. >> >> >> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) 2064's, >> >> don't >> >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series parts >> >> (which, >> >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured out a >> >> way to >> >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation" >> >> software. >> >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software. >> >> >> >> >> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased out >> >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago. >> >> >> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool based, >> I >> >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >

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list server computer hardware will change

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Hans Franke > > > Would this improve the ~1 hour time it takes for me to see the > > messages that I post to this list? > > I'm not shure if this is originated in the Mailinglist server. > Over here I have some 20 seconds to 3 minutes (a few times up > to 10 minutes). Looks more like your providers infrastructure. > > Gruss > H. > > -- > VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen > http://www.vcfe.org/ > It probably is Yale's fault, but what makes that hard to believe is the fact the this list is the _only_ e-mail (list or person-to-person) that has such a delay... Oh well, such is technology... :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

VMware stopped supporting OS/2 (it was supported in a 2.x beta) around the time they started selling VMWare bundled with Windows. They claim there's no connection and that support was removed because of lack of demand. Insert conspiracy theory about a deal with Microsoft to get a sweet OEM license deal in return for killing OS/2 support here.

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Motorola EXORterm 155

by celigne＠celigne.freeserve.co.uk

It never ceases to surprise me how many ancient terminals are secreted away at work. On Saturday I found a Motorola EXORterm 155 which had been put out for the skip. There is no keyboard unfortunately, just a ribbon cable protruding from underneath the main body, which is about the size of a VT52. It appears to date from 1980, but I have no clues about how we used it. Google doesn't turn up many references, apart from a 1997 listing of Herr Franke's collection from our archives and a company called RA Ventures, who developed it for Motorola. So, any other info?

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DEC AUI stuff (was re: A2065 Ethernet)

by rmurphy＠itm-inst.com

At 09:52 AM 4/13/02 -0500, pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com wrote: >Looks like I'm getting my DEC 5-letter scrambles confused. I don't >remember what it was called, but it has a pair of AUIs on the back, DEC >and its name on the front, and that's about it. Network bridge of some >sort? I didn't see any other ports like a console or anything. That's the DEBNT. (10 Megabit ethernet bridge). -Rick

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Central Point Option Board

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

Hello, I'm sorry if this is a double post; I didn't see my message when the digest came out. I put together a site with information and software for the Central Point Deluxe Option Board and related things. If anyone is still looking for the software, documentation, or whatnot, here's your chance. :) http://dbz.icequake.net/oldskool/dob/ There is also some tidbits at the top that are requests for information on various topics related to the Option Board; I'd appreciate it if anyone with a board would take a second to look it over and see if they can help. Thanks! -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253 jabber=nemesis at jabber.icequake.net http://www.icequake.net/~nemesis |= icequake networks, ltd. =|= university of missouri rolla =| |= system administration =|= computer science =|

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Tinnerman nuts

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Carl --- That's close, but what I'm looking for clips around the rails, not into the hole, which is round. This looks almost exactly like it, at the bottom of the page... "Palnut Multi-Thread U-Nut" http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/retaining/palunut.html ..that's it, I think... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Carl Lowenstein > > You would be happier with the type of fastener that uses real machine > screws rather than the sheet-metal type screws that some racks have. > There is a nice picture of them on the Tinnerman Web site at > > < http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/nutretcat.html > > > Of course, now that I think of it, DEC used something like that. > It was another brand of racks that used the sheet-metal screws. > > carl > -- > carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego > clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu > >

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Vax 4000/300 and Ultrix

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Carlini, Antonio wrote: > > Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"? > > Sometimes. But then sometimes it's called > the KA610. I'm assuming a late-breaking > name change (KD32->KA610) caused > the confusion in the various docs, but > I wasn't there and I don't know > anyone who was. Ahh, ok. I'd never heard the KA610 designation before. I'm getting my old VAXstation-I back in a few days; I haven't seen it for nearly ten years. A reunion! :-) I've got a nice Emulex MSCP ESDI controller for it...now I need to find a decent-sized (300MB-1GB) ESDI drive for it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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Vax 4000/300 and Ultrix

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Jochen Kunz wrote: > Even on a MV II / KA630 the QBus is not the system bus. The QBus is > attached through a bus bridge to the on board system bus. The console > SLU, TOY clock, ... reside on this bus too. So, by this definition, > no VAX is a QBus VAX. Hmmm. Maybe the MV I / KA610 can be a real QBus > machine, as it uses QBus RAM. Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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Vax 4000/300 and Ultrix

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"? Sometimes. But then sometimes it's called the KA610. I'm assuming a late-breaking name change (KD32->KA610) caused the confusion in the various docs, but I wasn't there and I don't know anyone who was. Antonio

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Berserker Works vintage computer games (fwd)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>If you could give me ANY information on who might deal in such >vintage computer games, or even where I might look to try to find >someone, that would be great. Any leads would be much appreciated. >Thank you very much, A few seconds with google produced a possible C64= version (but I'm assuming it's not an entirely legit site ... http://www.c64.com/search.php?com=search_detail&search_year=1982) The next few hits were similar looking sites for Atari machines (just guessing from the hostnames) and an auction with what might be a relevant manual: http://www.bidville.com/listings/index.cfm?category=416&listing=current&sort by=date_desc&group=1 Surely *everyone* knows about search engines? Antonio

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FWD: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. The original poster may well be. The responder isn't (you only have to read a few of his posts ...) ... he's got the right idea, he wants them for himself ! Antonio

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Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Has anyone seen this news posting? Yes. Nothing particularly surprising about it. I doubt that anyone would pay very much for VAXen that old. It's probably not worth a reseller's while trying to make a business out of selling them on ebay. The only businesses that might be interested are those that have such a machine in a mission-critical environment and they want one for spares or theirs just blew up and they need a replacement *now*. The only VAX 4000's that might sell would be the very latest -705As and maybe a -700A. VAX 7000's might sell too. Good luck with anything older. Why buy a VAX now when an Alpha can almost certainly do the same job (for most jobs, that is) and run rings around it too? Now my point of view as a hobbyist, is entirely different. I want *both* VAXes and Alphas :-) Antonio

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OP SYS SETUP

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] > Isn't Geo Works the only legitamate choice? ISTR, that it's Well, what do you consider legitimate? If you're talking about "piracy" problems, no, minix is not only still available but is also available now under a free-to-use license with source. > been renamed > and is still available with a lot of extra apps. I believe > that a 286 is > now the minimum requirement. Exactly why I'd go with an older version ;) ... but you're right, he could use the newer one, which is now called "New Deal Desktop." (I like "Geo Works" better) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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FWD: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Has anyone seen this news posting? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400 From: Bill Gunshannon Organization: University of Scranton Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec References: <3Hmt8.2238$GS6.168438(a)bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Hello > Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take > VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and > even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX. And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be taking up space in a landfill. bill -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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A2065 Ethernet

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > You also cannot attach two tranceivers through a gender bender and get > > anywhere, even if you provide power. OTOH, there are devices like the > > DEC DELNI that do have multiple AUIs, but again, it's designed for it. > > They have a bunch of these over at Purdue Salvage. I think I might grab > one for 'fun'. Let me know if anyone else wants any. If not, is there > anything 'useful' inside? If they aren't wanted by anyone, I'd rather > scrap them for parts then see them in a landfill. > > -- Pat > Well, the shipping would probably be fairly cheap, since they don't weight too much. Grab me one if they're free, I'd toss it in my DEC rack... :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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FWD: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Yeah, I wonder what this Deane guy has exactly to get rid of... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Dave McGuire > > > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. > > -Dave > > On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > Has anyone seen this news posting? > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400 > From: Bill Gunshannon > > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > Hello > > Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take > > VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and > > even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX. > > And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them > on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be > taking up space in a landfill. > > bill > -- > > > > --- David A Woyciesjes > > --- C & IS Support Specialist > > --- Yale University Press > > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu > > --- (203) 432-0953 > > --- ICQ # - 905818 > > Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST > 2001 > > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > > > > -- > Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" > St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill > >

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended for the >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series. > >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series bitstreams? > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM >Subject: Re: TTL computing > > >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison? >> >> >> OLD tools, as in dos based. >> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) 2064's, >> don't >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series parts >> (which, >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured out a >> way to >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation" >> software. >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software. >> >> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased out >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago. >> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool based, I >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O. >> > >

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OP SYS SETUP

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

A number of Compaq portables require special software to do the setup. I don't remember if the SLT286 is one of them, but I emailed the guy directly with a link to the SLT group on Yahoo (compaqslt(a)yahoogroups.com), where someone should be able to help him out. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:05 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: OP SYS SETUP > >>WHERE CAN I FIND A FREE WIN OP SYS SETUP SOFTWARE FOR MY COMPAQ SLT286? > >>IT ALREADY HAS DOS/WIN INSTALLED BUT I CANNOT ACCESS IT- WIN? WIN3.1? > >>I DUUHHHH DUNNO....!!! > > >Alternatively, find Before we get into arguing about "better" configurations, .. Does anybody know what the f he's asking about? Is his machine broken? Is it working perfectly, but he doesn't know how to "access" it? Is it the machine that he's writing with? Perhaps fixing the shift key on his active machine should be a higher priority.

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

<I'm fighting back the temptation to reply in all caps with <b><i> s all over the place....> Tried Minix? It would probably really scream on that machine, being a 286... If you belive that it had windows at one point, I'll assume you have a hard drive (Minix doesn't require it, but it's nice to have) I have used Minix on a Leading Edge XT clone with 512k or RAM. It runs perfectly well there. :) Alternatively, find yourself a copy of Geo Works, which will like your 286 fine, and has a much better GUI than windows 95. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' -----Original Message----- From: mikeykmc(a)hotmail.com [mailto:mikeykmc@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:58 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OP SYS SETUP WHERE CAN I FIND A FREE WIN OP SYS SETUP SOFTWARE FOR MY COMPAQ SLT286? IT ALREADY HAS DOS/WIN INSTALLED BUT I CANNOT ACCESS IT- WIN? WIN3.1? I DUUHHHH DUNNO....!!!

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Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....

by cdl＠mpl.ucsd.edu

> From port-vax-owner-clowenst=ucsd.edu(a)netbsd.org Mon Apr 15 08:53 PDT 2002 > Delivered-To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org > From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> > To: "NetBSD/Vax Mail List $E-mail$" <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>, > "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org $E-mail$" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets.... > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:00:59 -0400 > > Well, I just acquired a 5' x 3' x 2' IBM AS400 drive cabinet. F--n > heavy! > Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those > clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so > you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC > racks used the same thing. > Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount > sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called? Tinnerman nuts. Google search returns 1350 hits. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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PDP-11/93 Console Pinout and model rev.

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Does anyone have the pinout for the db25 console port? Assuming that the 25-pin bulkhead connector marked "Console" is a serial console port? Also, I understand that a M8981-AA is a 2M board and a -BA is a 4M board. How do I find out which? This one just shows M8981 with no suffix, and "KDJ11-E CPU" on the processor side. It is without a doubt the prettiest processor chip I've ever seen. Doc, trying VERY hard not to brag or gloat.

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looking for ideas...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, John Foust wrote: > At 07:13 PM 4/14/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >However, how is it better than desoldering the LED on the card, soldering > >a connector in its place, and running a couple of wires to the LED on the > >front panel? > > Uhm, "better"? On this side of the pond, we usually go > for "easy" or "well-marketed". :-) Well, *some* of us do. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: James B. DiGriz > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > >> Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those > >>clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, > so > >>you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC > >>racks used the same thing. > >> And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave > >>me funny looks. > >> Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount > >>sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called? > > > > > > These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling). > > Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them, > > but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places > > like this can run over $2000. > > > > I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :) > > > > -Dave > > > > > An auto parts store or auto body shop should have them. Look through the > Dorman fastener assortments if nobody knows what you're talking about. > > jbdigriz > Thanks! And an auto store would probably have them at a better price too... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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The CommodoreOne is near!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > On April 12, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > Yeah. She's gonna get a flood of marriage proposals from dweebs > > > she's never met. > > Actually, she already does and has publicly lamented about > this before. > Bummer. We should all have such problems. Indeed, if that's her worst problem, she has no problem at all. Anyway, it ought not to be too difficult for her to produce an anti-proposal procmail rule. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Dave McGuire > > On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those > > clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, > so > > you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC > > racks used the same thing. > > And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave > > me funny looks. > > Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount > > sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called? > > These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling). > Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them, > but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places > like this can run over $2000. > > I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :) > > -Dave > > Okay, thanks. Someone mentioned they have seen some like that used in automobiles, probably in the body work... Might not work quite right, though... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote: > Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those > clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so > you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC > racks used the same thing. > And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave > me funny looks. > Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount > sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called? These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling). Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them, but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places like this can run over $2000. I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

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FW: Vax 11/785

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody. Note that I have nothing to do with the following, except that I bought a Prime from these guys recently, and they're nice enough to hold it for me until I can move it ;) Well, that -- and I'd hate to see a VAX-11 go to scrap. It looks like they're looking for enough to make it worth their while to rescue the thing. No idea how much. You can email Joe at PPSJM _at_ prodigy dot net about this. Again, I know nothing about it, except that I couldn't' afford the money it would cost me to procure and move it right now, and I'd rather it not get torn apart. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' -----Original Message----- From: Joe Moir Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Vax 11/785 Hello, I just wanted to throw this out and see if anybody has any interest. We have an opportunity to pick up a complete VAX11/785. With all the boards in it, it's actually worth a decent amount as scrap metal. It is currently queued for the scrap heap. I would buy it and resell it if anyone has an interest. I guess if anyone is interested make me an offer and I'll see if it's worth it for me to pick it up. Thanks Joe Joe Moir Peripheral Parts Support Phone-781-895-4892 Fax-781-895-4893 www.ppsparts.com

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NeXT Archive down

by jrice＠texoma.net

Did anyone notice that the NeXTstep archive at peanut.org is down. DNS can't resolve the domain name. Has peanuts been mirrored anywhere? James

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Blinkenlights

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I'm working on a project that I'd like to have an 'old-looking' computer running a device as a sort of 'process controller'. I really want it to have a 'blinkenlights' operators panel on it. As I don't have a commercially made computer with a suitable frontpanel on it, I was thinking about taking something I have and 'modifying' it to be suitable. So far, I have a couple options I am considering: 1) Customed designed mini using TTL (perhaps PALs so it doesn't take months to assemble, although I will probably 'bother' to make a PCB for it. 2) 8-bit ISA interface card and a 'suitably old' PC - Maybe an IBM 5150, maybe just a 486 - if I do a 5150, i'll be writing a bunch of assembly and avoiding using an OS. If I choose a 386/486 (I have spare 486s) I can work on a driver for it in Linux so I have some sort of usable OS available. 3) Apple //e card. I've got no idea how easy this will be to do - I don't really know 6502/apple assembly at all, nor the bus. #2 is the least amount of work for me, #3 some more work, #1 the most work. Has anyone ever create an 'operators panel' for a PC or Apple 2? I've got some ideas on how to do it (will definately require some soft/firmware to make it work nicely). Is anyone else interested in something similar? I was thinking about making something like a IMSAI front panel - using the system's NMI to trigger the software to 'activate' the panel. Any thoughts or suggestions? -- Pat

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Fw: Help with Synergistic Info

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Second attempt to send. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Help with Synergistic Info > While down at my warehouse while looking for some manuals I came across > a strange box that was addressed to someone in MN. I opened it and > found a strange looking keyboard/computer. It's metal housing painted > black with gold stripes and printed on a label on the front "System > Logic / KBD-1 SYNERGISTIC DESIGN INC." . This is a strange looking > machine, the key caps are white clued on paper using black and red > printed letters. Anyone have one of these along with a manual or any > information on it? Thanks in advance John > >

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looking for ideas...

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Ok, I know this is a bit off-topic, but I was looking for any ideas as to make a 3.5" or 5.25" drive bay LED array for my SCSI that I have running. Something that will allow for both SCSI controller LED's and then 3 or 4 LED's for HDD activity. Also, wondering if anyone knew how to make an LED that shows Ethernet connectivity and activity to interact with a standard ATX board and an old AMD PCNet II PCI Ethernet card. The whole reason I am interested in doing this is that now that I am running more than one machine tucked under my desk, I'd like to be able to see if something is wrong without having to open the damned thing or going desk diving for a failed NIC. Yes, it sounds lazy, but the idea of a front panel diagnostic isn't so bad and could also be used for other machines, correct? Besides, lots of blinky lights always impress company when people or clientele come over, grin. So again, any ideas? -John Boffemmyer IV ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

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Olivetti PC/1 question

by hansp＠aconit.org

I would like to know the price of an Olivetti PC/1 at time of its release in 1988, preferably in Italy where it was presumably first available. Thanks, -- HBP

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Vax 4000/300 and Ultrix

by davebarnes＠adelphia.net

Hey All; Just picked up a Vax 4000/300 today with 2 RF71 DSSI drives, TK70, and I think 64MB ram... after I clean her up (its a little dusty) I was thinking about playing with Ultrix, as I have enough VMS machines... anyone know or try Ultrix 4.2 on the 4000/300? thats the latest I have for the vax platform.. I have 4.5 but thats for the MIPS which I run on my DECsystem 5000/240. Thanks -- David Barnes davebarnes(a)adelphia.net OpenVMS , Tru64, Netbsd, Linux guru and collector of DEC equipment

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TI Insight 10

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

While tracking down information on some obscure TI digital logic, I came across a picture of this terminal on the Smithsonian website: http://smithsonianchips.si.edu/texas/t_434.htm There's also a picture of the prototype, which appears to be a heavily modified TI-99/4 (no A): http://smithsonianchips.si.edu/texas/t_433.htm Anyone have one of these, or know any more about them? jbdigriz

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Berserker Works vintage computer games (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:51:48 -0700 From: Jason Finley <jfinley(a)ucla.edu> Subject: Berserker Works vintage computer games Hi there, I am trying very hard to find some very rare out-of-print software. I am looking for two computer games, "The Berserker Raids," and "Wings Out of Shadow." The games were made and sold between 1982 and 1989, by Berserker Works Ltd. They were designed for home computers popular at the time, i.e. Apple II series 48k, Macintosh 512k, Commodore 64, Atari 400/800, IBM-PC, IBM-PC jr. Berserker Works Ltd was an effort of Fred and Joan Saberhagen, and the two games I am looking for were based on Fred's "Berserker" science fiction stories. I am in contact with Fred and Joan, and they don't have a movable copy of the games. I'm trying to get a hold of the software for an official Berserker fan web site I am making. If you could give me ANY information on who might deal in such vintage computer games, or even where I might look to try to find someone, that would be great. Any leads would be much appreciated. Thank you very much, Jason Finley -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Amiga 2500 questions

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi guys, > difference. The Colt was Commodore's XT-clone so no, the > keyboard/mouse from the Colt will not work with the 2500. > Keyboards If the Colt is identical to that sold in Australia, then the mouse from it will work with an Amiga. CBM designed the Colt with an unusual connector (PC wise) that was identical to the Amiga's. We used to sell the Commodore PC mouse to Amiga customers as a replacement, it was around $15 cheaper than the Amiga one. I actually ended up using one myself when my A1000's mouse went berko & died. Keyboard adapters (PC > A2000) where fairly common once, the hard ones to fnd are the PC > A1000, although I have a few of these. Cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison? OLD tools, as in dos based. >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) 2064's, don't >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series parts (which, >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured out a way to >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation" software. >They clearly are no longer supported with current software. Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased out the tools for the 2064s a long time ago. Allison

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Vax 4000/300 and Ultrix

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 14, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > > Especially since that machine isn't Qbus. It's main bus is that 4300+ > > > PELE stuff. > > True and false. ;-) > > The machine has a QBus and therefore the CPU card has a QBus interface. > > So it is a QBus VAX by my definition. > > The CPU board is no QBus board like the KA630..KA660. It has a special > > backplane connector and the (passive) backplane distributes the signals > > from this connector to the QBus slots, the memory slots and DSSI drive > > bays. So this is no QBus VAX by your definition. > > But that is not how I define it. The system bus of this machine is not > Qbus, so the machine is not a Qbus machine. Why, because the memory isn't on the Qbus? The MicroVAX-II's memory isn't on the Qbus either. The only other difference (in this context) is the presence of a DSSI adapter on the CPU board that isn't connected [logically] via the Qbus. Many systems have several busses. Which do you use to define the "bus" of the machine? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill >From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Apr 14 21:05:33 2002 From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Date: Sun Feb 27 18:05:24 2005 Subject: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Message-ID: <200204150205.g3F1vMf36101(a)ns2.ezwind.net> The original message was received at Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:59:08 -0500 (CDT) >from user(a)stl-207-206-136-99.dialup.accessus.net [207.206.136.99] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- <remove(a)randbad.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <remove(a)randbad.com>... Deferred: Connection refused by postoffice.randbad.com. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Message delivered to mailing list <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>

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More 11/750 PSU Qs

by meltie＠myrealbox.com

Hello all. I was wondering if any of you know of a good power supply rebuilders in the UK? Why? Because i'm rather scared of the PSU bricks supplied with my VAX 11/750. 5V @ 135A, 2.5V @ 85A sounds unhealthy. I've seen small capacitors the size of your thumbnail make holes in ceilings when abused, I don't want to see what the four caps as thick as your arm and about 10" long that construe most of the 11/750 PSU system will do when being powered up in a (known) broken PSU setup after ~10 years storage. What do I do? Do I get the PSUs rebuilt? (if such a service exists) Do I order a new industrial PSU to supply these voltages/currents (plus others, such as the +15 for the memory boards)? Do I buy 5 or 6 PC power supplies and run their outputs in parallel with some nice heavy-gauge cable? Alex

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DEC KZQSA wanted

by davebarnes＠adelphia.net

Anyone have a KZQSA with handles for a BA430 (Vax 4000 series) cab they want to trade for? I have lots of DEC stuff so just ask... -- David Barnes davebarnes(a)adelphia.net OpenVMS , Tru64, Netbsd, Linux guru and collector of DEC equipment

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Compaq SLT 286

by barry.appleby＠swipnet.se

For Sale Compaq SLT 286 Swedish keyboard In working order - no battery Am looking for good home for this machine as refuse to dump it if somebody has a use for it Best regards Barry Apppleby

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Web-Tronics.com (was Re: TTL computing)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > Well, googling to see what a 'LS170 was, I found this place that has them, > along with a 'LS181! Google? Hmm, no offence or anything, but I find an ECG book to be a lot handier for looking up general specs. > Even at a decent price, too. > > http://www.web-tronics.com/ls181.html Thanks for the pointer. I must wonder, though, if there's *something wrong with this picture* -- Web-Tronics lists the 'LS170 at 50 cents, MCM has it at $4. I know MCM is high, but this seems like too much of a spread. Glen 0/0

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Need a supplier for 80-pin IDC ribbon plug ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

[now that classiccmp posts my messages again, let me try again. I am really desperate about this one.] Hi, I just received two fine boards that need to be connected to one other board each, through a very short cable, which is a 80 position ribbon with 0.025 in pitch (the small pitch) and an IDC female connector on each end with 2 row of 40 holes at a distance of 0.05 in between the holes. Turns out that most suppliers stock maxes out at 64 pin IDC sockets, and the rest is special order with crazy prices $3 to $22 and wild minimum orders of 23 to 100. So, who knows of a place that serves small customers? (I need 10 of these connectors maximal and maximum 1 ft of the matching cable.) Web sites phone numbers anything. May be it might be easier to find the original DEC hardware, I'm talking about the over-the-top connector of a DEC KA64A to the FV64A, anyone having the FV64A installation guide that tells us the part number of that cable? Thanks very much, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Laughlin Nevada for $19.95 ADV.

by hartman＠grzzr.com

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HP IPC (update)

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote: > One of the options for the IPC is Technical BASIC in ROM. Yes, looking closer at the ROM cartridge I see that the TechBASIC code and version is on a sticker placed over the (larger) HP-UX sticker. I must consider myself really lucky for getting that ROM, otherwise I'd have to write shell scripts to program the IPC :-) I opened the ROM pack and it contains two PCBs, the larger contains the interface holes (where the pins sticking up from the IPC motherboard make contact) and contains the OS ROMs (it says OS ROM on the PCB), while the smaller sits on top of the OS PCB and contains the TechBASIC ROMs (it says OPTION ROM on the PCB). Each PCB contains two pairs of ROMs. OS are ROM0 (high and low) and ROM1 (High and Low). The TechBASIC are ROM2 (H and L) and ROM3 (H and L). Obviously since the ROMs are 8bit and the 68000 is 16 bit you need a pair of ROMs for each bank. The OPTION ROM PCB has a very straightforward interface since it contains just the 4 ROMs. I am not sure of the capacity of the ROMs but I wouldn't think that they are likely to be larger that 64Kbytes each. Now that we can get far larger PROMs, if the images of the SE ROM were available, would it be possible to construct an OPTION ROM PCB with everything in it? > [...] C compiler (I think it includes an assembler) [...] Thats great news I was thinking about setting up gcc on my OpenBSD system as a cross compiler for the IPC, but in that case I'd need to recreate the system libraries and include files. Is there any way you can put them up for ftp? ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > HPIL is a loop, not a bus (strictly). Guilty as charged, I was over simplifying to the point of being wrong. I have a collection of HP-IL calculators and peripherals so I've had first hand experience of things failing to work because of breaks (or powered down devices) in the loop. > Be careful. External HPIL ports are supposed to be transformer-isolated > (using a special HP pulse transformer module, 9100-4226 IIRC). Every > HPIL device with the external connector will contain said transformer. yes I've been thinking about where to get such a transformer (and the dual HP-IL socket). I was thinking of cannibalizing an HP-IL module for the HP-41. > Is this the Thinkjet cartridge (little clear plastic thing with a black > rubber ink sack inside)? If so, then the printer electronics is likely to > be close to the Thinkjet as well Its a Thinkjet all right. I have both the HP-IB and the HP-IL versions of the Thinkjet and the mechanism and electronics of the printer in the Integral are very close to the HP-IL version of the Thinkjet. > If you have problems, then I've repaired enough Thinkjets to be able to > offer comments... Apart of having to clean the printer compartment of ink - unfortunately the IPC was shipped with a print cartridge installed :-( it works all right. However, the instructions for cartridge replacement in the HP-IL Thinkjet manual, imply that a small pad is supplied inside the cartridge packaging. This pad is supposed to be inserted in front of the the cartridge on the print-head. The new ink cartridges I have purchased do not have this pad and each time the machine powers up the Thinkjet deposits a blob of ink on the paper. Anybody knows of what can be used as a replacement for this pad? > This surprises me. A 1.44M drive _using 720K disks_ should have no > problems. Me too! I am routinely reading and writing 9114 floppies on my laptop but the IPC drive is particularly difficult. In the beginning I was really lost because I would prepare floppies and the IPC would just say no. At one point I thought there was something wrong with the drive itself. Once I got the 720K drive for my PC, the IPC capitulated. One interesting point is that using my "Unix" system (OpenBSD 2.9) I can dd images on a new 720K diskette (i.e. formatted for the IBM-PC) but the OpenBSD system barfs when I try to do the same on the same floppy once it has been formatted by the IPC. I have excluded alignment problems because I also have an 9122D external drive and have done tests with floppies prepared on these drives. Now that the IPC is usable, I am going to do more tests once I have some spare time. **vp

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TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Engish not vendoreze... dont know those parts at all. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >ajp166 wrote: > >> I've done this with other similar packaged devices and it flies. >Got any more details? >> What prom are you looking for? >> >> I'm still playing with some 2064s and 3030s and 3050s, yes they are old >> but >> the tools were free, the parts cheap and easy to load up with a 2816/64. >> >> Allison >I am useing Altera. Altera EPC1141LC20,EPC1LC20 or ATMEL >AT17C512A,AT17C010A. > >-- >Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * >www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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who needed 11/750 power supply info?

by wonko＠arkham.ws

i was poking around the one box of docs that came with my PDP-11/34a that i picked up a couple months ago, when i found the 11/750 Field Maint. Print Set as well as the KA750 Field Maint. Print Set. i mentioned this to Dave McGuire who said someone on this list was looking for power supply info for the 11/750. if you still need help, contact me off-list and i'll give you whatever help i can. cheers, -brian -- "Today, put your best foot forward. If you're not sure which of your feet is your best foot, cut one off. Then it doesn't matter." - www.lowbrow.com -

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updated hardware status

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

So far, cash ($135.00) has been donated as well as the following hardware... 256mb RAM 32X IDE CDROM 1.44mb floppy drive Also, due to many requests, I upgraded my paypal account to accept credit card donations as well. All the support is most appreciated! Jay West

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