On Apr 15, 14:24, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> That's close, but what I'm looking for clips around the rails, not
> into the hole, which is round. This looks almost exactly like it, at the
> bottom of the page...
> "Palnut Multi-Thread U-Nut"
> http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/retaining/palunut.html
DEC (and Sun, etc) used something like that but with a real nut welded (?)
onto the clip, like the diagrams at the top of
http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/utypenrcat.html
I've always known the ones DEC used simply as Tinnerman nuts. The other
type used by DEC is like a strip of spring steel wrapped round the nut and
then formed into a springy clip that clips round the rails (sorry, can't
find a picture). The correct size for rack screws is 10-32 UNF, rather
smaller than any of the ones on the PalNut page.
> > From: Carl Lowenstein
> >
> > You would be happier with the type of fastener that uses real machine
> > screws rather than the sheet-metal type screws that some racks have.
> > There is a nice picture of them on the Tinnerman Web site at
> >
> > < http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/nutretcat.html >
The picture of a retainer nut (which happens to be made by Tinnerman in
this case, but isn't what I'd call a "Tinnerman nut") at the top of that
page is of what everyone over here calls a "caged nut". They're used on
european racks, which have square holes not round ones; the normal size
takes an M6 screw (DEC screwss are 10-32 UNF, which is very similar to M5).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Entirely likely, I did get a lot of stuff from MMI over the years
and some of the other related companies. I still have and use
PALASM and PALASM90.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>It may, in fact be about the same as my old version. I got mine from
MMI back
>when THEY were the ones pushing FPGA technology.
>
>Dick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 AM
>Subject: Re: TTL computing
>
>
>> Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number
>> but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else
>> right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help
>> with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them.
>>
>>
>> Allison
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: TTL computing
>>
>>
>> >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA
>> >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended
for
>> the
>> >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series.
>> >
>> >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series
>> bitstreams?
>> >
>> >Dick
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM
>> >Subject: Re: TTL computing
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> OLD tools, as in dos based.
>> >>
>> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990)
2064's,
>> >> don't
>> >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series
parts
>> >> (which,
>> >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured
out a
>> >> way to
>> >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation"
>> >> software.
>> >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased
out
>> >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago.
>> >>
>> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool
based,
>> I
>> >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> From: Hans Franke
>
> > Would this improve the ~1 hour time it takes for me to see the
> > messages that I post to this list?
>
> I'm not shure if this is originated in the Mailinglist server.
> Over here I have some 20 seconds to 3 minutes (a few times up
> to 10 minutes). Looks more like your providers infrastructure.
>
> Gruss
> H.
>
> --
> VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
> http://www.vcfe.org/
>
It probably is Yale's fault, but what makes that hard to believe is
the fact the this list is the _only_ e-mail (list or person-to-person) that
has such a delay... Oh well, such is technology... :)
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VMware stopped supporting OS/2 (it was supported in a 2.x beta) around
the time they started selling VMWare bundled with Windows. They claim
there's no connection and that support was removed because of lack of
demand. Insert conspiracy theory about a deal with Microsoft to get a
sweet OEM license deal in return for killing OS/2 support here.
It never ceases to surprise me how many ancient terminals are secreted
away at work. On Saturday I found a Motorola EXORterm 155 which had been
put out for the skip. There is no keyboard unfortunately, just a ribbon
cable protruding from underneath the main body, which is about the size
of a VT52. It appears to date from 1980, but I have no clues about how
we used it.
Google doesn't turn up many references, apart from a 1997 listing of
Herr Franke's collection from our archives and a company called RA
Ventures, who developed it for Motorola.
So, any other info?
At 09:52 AM 4/13/02 -0500, pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com wrote:
>Looks like I'm getting my DEC 5-letter scrambles confused. I don't
>remember what it was called, but it has a pair of AUIs on the back, DEC
>and its name on the front, and that's about it. Network bridge of some
>sort? I didn't see any other ports like a console or anything.
That's the DEBNT. (10 Megabit ethernet bridge).
-Rick
Hello,
I'm sorry if this is a double post; I didn't see my message when the digest
came out.
I put together a site with information and software for the Central Point
Deluxe Option Board and related things. If anyone is still looking for the
software, documentation, or whatnot, here's your chance. :)
http://dbz.icequake.net/oldskool/dob/
There is also some tidbits at the top that are requests for information on
various topics related to the Option Board; I'd appreciate it if anyone with
a board would take a second to look it over and see if they can help.
Thanks!
--
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|= system administration =|= computer science =|
Carl ---
That's close, but what I'm looking for clips around the rails, not
into the hole, which is round. This looks almost exactly like it, at the
bottom of the page...
"Palnut Multi-Thread U-Nut"
http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/retaining/palunut.html
..that's it, I think...
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> ----------
> From: Carl Lowenstein
>
> You would be happier with the type of fastener that uses real machine
> screws rather than the sheet-metal type screws that some racks have.
> There is a nice picture of them on the Tinnerman Web site at
>
> < http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/nutretcat.html >
>
> Of course, now that I think of it, DEC used something like that.
> It was another brand of racks that used the sheet-metal screws.
>
> carl
> --
> carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego
> clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
>
>
On April 15, Carlini, Antonio wrote:
> > Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"?
>
> Sometimes. But then sometimes it's called
> the KA610. I'm assuming a late-breaking
> name change (KD32->KA610) caused
> the confusion in the various docs, but
> I wasn't there and I don't know
> anyone who was.
Ahh, ok. I'd never heard the KA610 designation before.
I'm getting my old VAXstation-I back in a few days; I haven't seen
it for nearly ten years. A reunion! :-)
I've got a nice Emulex MSCP ESDI controller for it...now I need to
find a decent-sized (300MB-1GB) ESDI drive for it.
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
On April 15, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> Even on a MV II / KA630 the QBus is not the system bus. The QBus is
> attached through a bus bridge to the on board system bus. The console
> SLU, TOY clock, ... reside on this bus too. So, by this definition,
> no VAX is a QBus VAX. Hmmm. Maybe the MV I / KA610 can be a real QBus
> machine, as it uses QBus RAM.
Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"?
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
> Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"?
Sometimes. But then sometimes it's called
the KA610. I'm assuming a late-breaking
name change (KD32->KA610) caused
the confusion in the various docs, but
I wasn't there and I don't know
anyone who was.
Antonio
>If you could give me ANY information on who might deal in such
>vintage computer games, or even where I might look to try to find
>someone, that would be great. Any leads would be much appreciated.
>Thank you very much,
A few seconds with google produced
a possible C64= version (but I'm assuming
it's not an entirely legit site ...
http://www.c64.com/search.php?com=search_detail&search_year=1982)
The next few hits were similar looking sites
for Atari machines (just guessing from the
hostnames) and an auction with
what might be a relevant manual:
http://www.bidville.com/listings/index.cfm?category=416&listing=current&sort
by=date_desc&group=1
Surely *everyone* knows about search engines?
Antonio
> Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
The original poster may well be. The
responder isn't (you only have to read a
few of his posts ...) ... he's got the
right idea, he wants them for himself !
Antonio
>Has anyone seen this news posting?
Yes. Nothing particularly surprising
about it. I doubt that anyone would pay
very much for VAXen that old. It's
probably not worth a reseller's while
trying to make a business out of selling
them on ebay.
The only businesses that might be interested
are those that have such a machine in a
mission-critical environment and they want
one for spares or theirs just blew up and they
need a replacement *now*.
The only VAX 4000's that might sell would be
the very latest -705As and maybe a -700A.
VAX 7000's might sell too. Good luck
with anything older.
Why buy a VAX now when an Alpha can almost
certainly do the same job (for most jobs, that
is) and run rings around it too?
Now my point of view as a hobbyist, is
entirely different. I want *both* VAXes
and Alphas :-)
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]
> Isn't Geo Works the only legitamate choice? ISTR, that it's
Well, what do you consider legitimate? If you're talking about
"piracy" problems, no, minix is not only still available but
is also available now under a free-to-use license with source.
> been renamed
> and is still available with a lot of extra apps. I believe
> that a 286 is
> now the minimum requirement.
Exactly why I'd go with an older version ;) ... but you're right,
he could use the newer one, which is now called "New Deal Desktop."
(I like "Geo Works" better)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
Has anyone seen this news posting?
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400
From: Bill Gunshannon
Organization: University of Scranton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
References: <3Hmt8.2238$GS6.168438(a)bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello
> Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take
> VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and
> even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX.
And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them
on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be
taking up space in a landfill.
bill
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> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
>
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> > You also cannot attach two tranceivers through a gender bender and get
> > anywhere, even if you provide power. OTOH, there are devices like the
> > DEC DELNI that do have multiple AUIs, but again, it's designed for it.
>
> They have a bunch of these over at Purdue Salvage. I think I might grab
> one for 'fun'. Let me know if anyone else wants any. If not, is there
> anything 'useful' inside? If they aren't wanted by anyone, I'd rather
> scrap them for parts then see them in a landfill.
>
> -- Pat
>
Well, the shipping would probably be fairly cheap, since they don't
weight too much. Grab me one if they're free, I'd toss it in my DEC rack...
:)
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Yeah, I wonder what this Deane guy has exactly to get rid of...
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> ----------
> From: Dave McGuire
>
>
> Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
>
> -Dave
>
> On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> > Has anyone seen this news posting?
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400
> From: Bill Gunshannon
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> > Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take
> > VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and
> > even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX.
>
> And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them
> on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be
> taking up space in a landfill.
>
> bill
> --
> >
> > --- David A Woyciesjes
> > --- C & IS Support Specialist
> > --- Yale University Press
> > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
> > --- (203) 432-0953
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> > Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST
> 2001
> > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> >
>
> --
> Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!"
> St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
>
>
Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number
but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else
right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help
with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA
>development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended for
the
>2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series.
>
>Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series
bitstreams?
>
>Dick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM
>Subject: Re: TTL computing
>
>
>> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>>
>>
>> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison?
>>
>>
>> OLD tools, as in dos based.
>>
>> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) 2064's,
>> don't
>> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series parts
>> (which,
>> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured out a
>> way to
>> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation"
>> software.
>> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software.
>>
>>
>> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased out
>> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago.
>>
>I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool based,
I
>think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O.
>>
>
>
A number of Compaq portables require special software to do the setup. I
don't remember if the SLT286 is one of them, but I emailed the guy directly
with a link to the SLT group on Yahoo (compaqslt(a)yahoogroups.com), where
someone should be able to help him out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:05 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: OP SYS SETUP
> >>WHERE CAN I FIND A FREE WIN OP SYS SETUP SOFTWARE FOR MY COMPAQ SLT286?
> >>IT ALREADY HAS DOS/WIN INSTALLED BUT I CANNOT ACCESS IT- WIN? WIN3.1?
> >>I DUUHHHH DUNNO....!!!
>
> >Alternatively, find
Before we get into arguing about "better" configurations, ..
Does anybody know what the f he's asking about?
Is his machine broken?
Is it working perfectly, but he doesn't know how to "access" it?
Is it the machine that he's writing with?
Perhaps fixing the shift key on his active machine should be a higher
priority.
<I'm fighting back the temptation to reply in all caps with <b><i> s
all over the place....>
Tried Minix? It would probably really scream on that machine, being
a 286... If you belive that it had windows at one point, I'll assume
you have a hard drive (Minix doesn't require it, but it's nice to
have)
I have used Minix on a Leading Edge XT clone with 512k or RAM. It
runs perfectly well there. :)
Alternatively, find yourself a copy of Geo Works, which will like your
286 fine, and has a much better GUI than windows 95.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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-----Original Message-----
From: mikeykmc(a)hotmail.com [mailto:mikeykmc@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:58 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: OP SYS SETUP
WHERE CAN I FIND A FREE WIN OP SYS SETUP SOFTWARE FOR MY COMPAQ SLT286? IT ALREADY HAS DOS/WIN INSTALLED BUT I CANNOT ACCESS IT- WIN? WIN3.1? I DUUHHHH DUNNO....!!!
> From port-vax-owner-clowenst=ucsd.edu(a)netbsd.org Mon Apr 15 08:53 PDT 2002
> Delivered-To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org
> From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu>
> To: "NetBSD/Vax Mail List \(E-mail\)" <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>,
> "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org \(E-mail\)" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:00:59 -0400
>
> Well, I just acquired a 5' x 3' x 2' IBM AS400 drive cabinet. F--n
> heavy!
> Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
> clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so
> you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
> racks used the same thing.
> Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
> sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
Tinnerman nuts. Google search returns 1350 hits.
carl
--
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clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
Does anyone have the pinout for the db25 console port? Assuming that
the 25-pin bulkhead connector marked "Console" is a serial console port?
Also, I understand that a M8981-AA is a 2M board and a -BA is a 4M
board. How do I find out which? This one just shows M8981 with no
suffix, and "KDJ11-E CPU" on the processor side.
It is without a doubt the prettiest processor chip I've ever seen.
Doc, trying VERY hard not to brag or gloat.
On April 15, John Foust wrote:
> At 07:13 PM 4/14/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >However, how is it better than desoldering the LED on the card, soldering
> >a connector in its place, and running a couple of wires to the LED on the
> >front panel?
>
> Uhm, "better"? On this side of the pond, we usually go
> for "easy" or "well-marketed". :-)
Well, *some* of us do.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!"
St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
> From: James B. DiGriz
>
> Dave McGuire wrote:
> > On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> >
> >> Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
> >>clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails,
> so
> >>you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
> >>racks used the same thing.
> >> And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave
> >>me funny looks.
> >> Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
> >>sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
> >
> >
> > These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling).
> > Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them,
> > but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places
> > like this can run over $2000.
> >
> > I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :)
> >
> > -Dave
> >
>
>
> An auto parts store or auto body shop should have them. Look through the
> Dorman fastener assortments if nobody knows what you're talking about.
>
> jbdigriz
>
Thanks! And an auto store would probably have them at a better price
too...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com]
> On April 12, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> > > Yeah. She's gonna get a flood of marriage proposals from dweebs
> > > she's never met.
> > Actually, she already does and has publicly lamented about
> this before.
> Bummer. We should all have such problems.
Indeed, if that's her worst problem, she has no problem at all. Anyway,
it ought not to be too difficult for her to produce an anti-proposal
procmail rule. ;)
Chris
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'
> ----------
> From: Dave McGuire
>
> On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> > Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
> > clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails,
> so
> > you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
> > racks used the same thing.
> > And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave
> > me funny looks.
> > Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
> > sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
>
> These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling).
> Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them,
> but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places
> like this can run over $2000.
>
> I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :)
>
> -Dave
>
>
Okay, thanks. Someone mentioned they have seen some like that used
in automobiles, probably in the body work... Might not work quite right,
though...
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On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
> clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so
> you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
> racks used the same thing.
> And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave
> me funny looks.
> Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
> sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling).
Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them,
but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places
like this can run over $2000.
I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!"
St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
Hi everybody. Note that I have nothing to do with the following,
except that I bought a Prime from these guys recently, and they're
nice enough to hold it for me until I can move it ;)
Well, that -- and I'd hate to see a VAX-11 go to scrap. It looks
like they're looking for enough to make it worth their while to
rescue the thing. No idea how much.
You can email Joe at PPSJM _at_ prodigy dot net about this.
Again, I know nothing about it, except that I couldn't' afford the
money it would cost me to procure and move it right now, and I'd
rather it not get torn apart. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moir
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:00 AM
Subject: Vax 11/785
Hello,
I just wanted to throw this out and see if anybody has any interest. We have an opportunity to pick up a complete VAX11/785.
With all the boards in it, it's actually worth a decent amount as scrap metal. It is currently queued for the scrap heap.
I would buy it and resell it if anyone has an interest. I guess if anyone is interested make me an offer and I'll see if it's worth it for me to pick it up.
Thanks Joe
Joe Moir
Peripheral Parts Support
Phone-781-895-4892
Fax-781-895-4893
www.ppsparts.com
I'm working on a project that I'd like to have an 'old-looking' computer
running a device as a sort of 'process controller'. I really want it to
have a 'blinkenlights' operators panel on it. As I don't have a
commercially made computer with a suitable frontpanel on it, I was
thinking about taking something I have and 'modifying' it to be suitable.
So far, I have a couple options I am considering:
1) Customed designed mini using TTL (perhaps PALs so it doesn't take
months to assemble, although I will probably 'bother' to make a PCB for
it.
2) 8-bit ISA interface card and a 'suitably old' PC - Maybe an IBM 5150,
maybe just a 486 - if I do a 5150, i'll be writing a bunch of assembly and
avoiding using an OS. If I choose a 386/486 (I have spare 486s) I can
work on a driver for it in Linux so I have some sort of usable OS
available.
3) Apple //e card. I've got no idea how easy this will be to do - I don't
really know 6502/apple assembly at all, nor the bus.
#2 is the least amount of work for me, #3 some more work, #1 the most
work. Has anyone ever create an 'operators panel' for a PC or Apple 2?
I've got some ideas on how to do it (will definately require some
soft/firmware to make it work nicely). Is anyone else interested in
something similar? I was thinking about making something like a IMSAI
front panel - using the system's NMI to trigger the software to 'activate'
the panel.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
-- Pat
Second attempt to send.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: Help with Synergistic Info
> While down at my warehouse while looking for some manuals I came
across
> a strange box that was addressed to someone in MN. I opened it and
> found a strange looking keyboard/computer. It's metal housing painted
> black with gold stripes and printed on a label on the front "System
> Logic / KBD-1 SYNERGISTIC DESIGN INC." . This is a strange looking
> machine, the key caps are white clued on paper using black and red
> printed letters. Anyone have one of these along with a manual or any
> information on it? Thanks in advance John
>
>
Ok, I know this is a bit off-topic, but I was looking for any ideas as to
make a 3.5" or 5.25" drive bay LED array for my SCSI that I have running.
Something that will allow for both SCSI controller LED's and then 3 or 4
LED's for HDD activity. Also, wondering if anyone knew how to make an LED
that shows Ethernet connectivity and activity to interact with a standard
ATX board and an old AMD PCNet II PCI Ethernet card.
The whole reason I am interested in doing this is that now that I am
running more than one machine tucked under my desk, I'd like to be able to
see if something is wrong without having to open the damned thing or going
desk diving for a failed NIC. Yes, it sounds lazy, but the idea of a front
panel diagnostic isn't so bad and could also be used for other machines,
correct? Besides, lots of blinky lights always impress company when people
or clientele come over, grin. So again, any ideas?
-John Boffemmyer IV
----------------------------------------
Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst
and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies
http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html
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I would like to know the price of an Olivetti PC/1 at time of its
release in 1988, preferably in Italy where it was presumably first
available.
Thanks,
-- HBP
Hey All;
Just picked up a Vax 4000/300 today with 2 RF71 DSSI drives, TK70,
and I think 64MB ram... after I clean her up (its a little dusty) I was
thinking about playing with Ultrix, as I have enough VMS machines...
anyone know or try Ultrix 4.2 on the 4000/300? thats the latest I have
for the vax platform.. I have 4.5 but thats for the MIPS which I run on
my DECsystem 5000/240.
Thanks
--
David Barnes
davebarnes(a)adelphia.net
OpenVMS , Tru64, Netbsd, Linux guru
and collector of DEC equipment
While tracking down information on some obscure TI digital logic, I came
across a picture of this terminal on the Smithsonian website:
http://smithsonianchips.si.edu/texas/t_434.htm
There's also a picture of the prototype, which appears to be a heavily
modified TI-99/4 (no A):
http://smithsonianchips.si.edu/texas/t_433.htm
Anyone have one of these, or know any more about them?
jbdigriz
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:51:48 -0700
From: Jason Finley <jfinley(a)ucla.edu>
Subject: Berserker Works vintage computer games
Hi there,
I am trying very hard to find some very rare out-of-print software.
I am looking for two computer games, "The Berserker Raids," and
"Wings Out of Shadow." The games were made and sold between 1982 and
1989, by Berserker Works Ltd. They were designed for home computers
popular at the time, i.e. Apple II series 48k, Macintosh 512k,
Commodore 64, Atari 400/800, IBM-PC, IBM-PC jr.
Berserker Works Ltd was an effort of Fred and Joan Saberhagen, and
the two games I am looking for were based on Fred's "Berserker"
science fiction stories. I am in contact with Fred and Joan, and
they don't have a movable copy of the games. I'm trying to get a
hold of the software for an official Berserker fan web site I am
making.
If you could give me ANY information on who might deal in such
vintage computer games, or even where I might look to try to find
someone, that would be great. Any leads would be much appreciated.
Thank you very much,
Jason Finley
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
Hi guys,
> difference. The Colt was Commodore's XT-clone so no, the
> keyboard/mouse from the Colt will not work with the 2500.
> Keyboards
If the Colt is identical to that sold in Australia, then the mouse from
it will work with an Amiga. CBM designed the Colt with an unusual
connector (PC wise) that was identical to the Amiga's. We used to sell
the Commodore PC mouse to Amiga customers as a replacement, it was
around $15 cheaper than the Amiga one. I actually ended up using one
myself when my A1000's mouse went berko & died.
Keyboard adapters (PC > A2000) where fairly common once, the hard ones
to fnd are the PC > A1000, although I have a few of these.
Cheers,
Lance
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>Which tools are you referring to, Allison?
OLD tools, as in dos based.
>I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) 2064's,
don't
>work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series parts
(which,
>back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured out a
way to
>program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation"
software.
>They clearly are no longer supported with current software.
Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased out
the
tools for the 2064s a long time ago.
Allison
On April 14, Sridhar the POWERful wrote:
> > > Especially since that machine isn't Qbus. It's main bus is that 4300+
> > > PELE stuff.
> > True and false. ;-)
> > The machine has a QBus and therefore the CPU card has a QBus interface.
> > So it is a QBus VAX by my definition.
> > The CPU board is no QBus board like the KA630..KA660. It has a special
> > backplane connector and the (passive) backplane distributes the signals
> > from this connector to the QBus slots, the memory slots and DSSI drive
> > bays. So this is no QBus VAX by your definition.
>
> But that is not how I define it. The system bus of this machine is not
> Qbus, so the machine is not a Qbus machine.
Why, because the memory isn't on the Qbus? The MicroVAX-II's memory
isn't on the Qbus either. The only other difference (in this context)
is the presence of a DSSI adapter on the CPU board that isn't
connected [logically] via the Qbus. Many systems have several busses.
Which do you use to define the "bus" of the machine?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!"
St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
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Hello all.
I was wondering if any of you know of a good power supply rebuilders in
the UK?
Why? Because i'm rather scared of the PSU bricks supplied with my VAX
11/750. 5V @ 135A, 2.5V @ 85A sounds unhealthy. I've seen small
capacitors the size of your thumbnail make holes in ceilings when
abused, I don't want to see what the four caps as thick as your arm and
about 10" long that construe most of the 11/750 PSU system will do when
being powered up in a (known) broken PSU setup after ~10 years storage.
What do I do? Do I get the PSUs rebuilt? (if such a service exists) Do I
order a new industrial PSU to supply these voltages/currents (plus
others, such as the +15 for the memory boards)? Do I buy 5 or 6 PC power
supplies and run their outputs in parallel with some nice heavy-gauge
cable?
Alex
Anyone have a KZQSA with handles for a BA430 (Vax 4000 series) cab they
want to trade for? I have lots of DEC stuff so just ask...
--
David Barnes
davebarnes(a)adelphia.net
OpenVMS , Tru64, Netbsd, Linux guru
and collector of DEC equipment
For Sale
Compaq SLT 286 Swedish keyboard
In working order - no battery
Am looking for good home for this machine
as refuse to dump it if somebody has a use for it
Best regards
Barry Apppleby
> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
> Well, googling to see what a 'LS170 was, I found this place that has
them,
> along with a 'LS181!
Google? Hmm, no offence or anything, but I find an ECG book to be a lot
handier for looking up general specs.
> Even at a decent price, too.
>
> http://www.web-tronics.com/ls181.html
Thanks for the pointer. I must wonder, though, if there's *something wrong
with this picture* -- Web-Tronics lists the 'LS170 at 50 cents, MCM has it
at $4. I know MCM is high, but this seems like too much of a spread.
Glen
0/0
[now that classiccmp posts my messages again, let me try again.
I am really desperate about this one.]
Hi, I just received two fine boards that need to be connected to
one other board each, through a very short cable, which is a 80
position ribbon with 0.025 in pitch (the small pitch) and an IDC
female connector on each end with 2 row of 40 holes at a distance
of 0.05 in between the holes. Turns out that most suppliers stock
maxes out at 64 pin IDC sockets, and the rest is special order with
crazy prices $3 to $22 and wild minimum orders of 23 to 100. So,
who knows of a place that serves small customers? (I need 10 of these
connectors maximal and maximum 1 ft of the matching cable.) Web sites
phone numbers anything. May be it might be easier to find the
original DEC hardware, I'm talking about the over-the-top connector
of a DEC KA64A to the FV64A, anyone having the FV64A installation
guide that tells us the part number of that cable?
Thanks very much,
-Gunther
--
Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org
Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> One of the options for the IPC is Technical BASIC in ROM.
Yes, looking closer at the ROM cartridge I see that the TechBASIC code and
version is on a sticker placed over the (larger) HP-UX sticker.
I must consider myself really lucky for getting that ROM, otherwise I'd
have to write shell scripts to program the IPC :-)
I opened the ROM pack and it contains two PCBs, the larger contains the
interface holes (where the pins sticking up from the IPC motherboard make contact)
and contains the OS ROMs (it says OS ROM on the PCB), while the smaller
sits on top of the OS PCB and contains the TechBASIC ROMs (it says OPTION ROM
on the PCB).
Each PCB contains two pairs of ROMs. OS are ROM0 (high and low) and
ROM1 (High and Low). The TechBASIC are ROM2 (H and L) and ROM3 (H and L).
Obviously since the ROMs are 8bit and the 68000 is 16 bit you need
a pair of ROMs for each bank. The OPTION ROM PCB has a very
straightforward interface since it contains just the 4 ROMs.
I am not sure of the capacity of the ROMs but I wouldn't think that they are
likely to be larger that 64Kbytes each. Now that we can get far larger PROMs,
if the images of the SE ROM were available, would it be possible to construct
an OPTION ROM PCB with everything in it?
> [...] C compiler (I think it includes an assembler) [...]
Thats great news I was thinking about setting up gcc on my OpenBSD system as
a cross compiler for the IPC, but in that case I'd need to recreate the
system libraries and include files. Is there any way you can put them up
for ftp?
ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote:
> HPIL is a loop, not a bus (strictly).
Guilty as charged, I was over simplifying to the point of being wrong.
I have a collection of HP-IL calculators and peripherals so I've had
first hand experience of things failing to work because of breaks (or
powered down devices) in the loop.
> Be careful. External HPIL ports are supposed to be transformer-isolated
> (using a special HP pulse transformer module, 9100-4226 IIRC). Every
> HPIL device with the external connector will contain said transformer.
yes I've been thinking about where to get such a transformer (and the dual
HP-IL socket). I was thinking of cannibalizing an HP-IL module for the HP-41.
> Is this the Thinkjet cartridge (little clear plastic thing with a black
> rubber ink sack inside)? If so, then the printer electronics is likely to
> be close to the Thinkjet as well
Its a Thinkjet all right. I have both the HP-IB and the HP-IL versions of the
Thinkjet and the mechanism and electronics of the printer in the Integral
are very close to the HP-IL version of the Thinkjet.
> If you have problems, then I've repaired enough Thinkjets to be able to
> offer comments...
Apart of having to clean the printer compartment of ink - unfortunately
the IPC was shipped with a print cartridge installed :-( it works all
right.
However, the instructions for cartridge replacement in the HP-IL Thinkjet
manual, imply that a small pad is supplied inside the cartridge packaging.
This pad is supposed to be inserted in front of the the cartridge on the
print-head. The new ink cartridges I have purchased do not have this pad
and each time the machine powers up the Thinkjet deposits a blob of ink on
the paper. Anybody knows of what can be used as a replacement for this pad?
> This surprises me. A 1.44M drive _using 720K disks_ should have no
> problems.
Me too! I am routinely reading and writing 9114 floppies on my laptop
but the IPC drive is particularly difficult. In the beginning I was really
lost because I would prepare floppies and the IPC would just say no. At
one point I thought there was something wrong with the drive itself. Once
I got the 720K drive for my PC, the IPC capitulated.
One interesting point is that using my "Unix" system (OpenBSD 2.9)
I can dd images on a new 720K diskette (i.e. formatted for the
IBM-PC) but the OpenBSD system barfs when I try to do the same on
the same floppy once it has been formatted by the IPC.
I have excluded alignment problems because I also have an 9122D external
drive and have done tests with floppies prepared on these drives.
Now that the IPC is usable, I am going to do more tests once I have some
spare time.
**vp
Engish not vendoreze...
dont know those parts at all.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>ajp166 wrote:
>
>> I've done this with other similar packaged devices and it flies.
>Got any more details?
>> What prom are you looking for?
>>
>> I'm still playing with some 2064s and 3030s and 3050s, yes they are
old
>> but
>> the tools were free, the parts cheap and easy to load up with a
2816/64.
>>
>> Allison
>I am useing Altera. Altera EPC1141LC20,EPC1LC20 or ATMEL
>AT17C512A,AT17C010A.
>
>--
>Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
>www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
i was poking around the one box of docs that came with my PDP-11/34a that i
picked up a couple months ago, when i found the 11/750 Field Maint. Print Set
as well as the KA750 Field Maint. Print Set. i mentioned this to Dave McGuire
who said someone on this list was looking for power supply info for the 11/750.
if you still need help, contact me off-list and i'll give you whatever help
i can.
cheers,
-brian
--
"Today, put your best foot forward. If you're not sure which of your feet is
your best foot, cut one off. Then it doesn't matter." - www.lowbrow.com -
So far, cash ($135.00) has been donated as well as the following hardware...
256mb RAM
32X IDE CDROM
1.44mb floppy drive
Also, due to many requests, I upgraded my paypal account to accept credit
card donations as well.
All the support is most appreciated!
Jay West