- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: blstuart(a)bellsouth.net <blstuart(a)bellsouth.net> >In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204180631001.27156-100000(a)siconic.com>, Sellam Ismai >l writes: >>How about calling it a Babbage? > >That was my thought as well, with possible runners up of >the Zuse, the Aiken, the Eckert or the Mauchley. > >Brian L. Stuart Why not use them all! A box is HeightxWidthxDepth, so why not computers measured in ZusexEckartxAikenxMauchley with the possible corrosponding dimensions in real terms of memory, speed, storage, wordsize or some such. Allison

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One-upsmanship

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co> >>"My computer requires more tons of AC cooling than yours" >> >>Jay West > >"My computer has broken more vertebrae than yours" >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org Me: My computer, all mine! Allison

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Guys take a look at this qbus cpu board on Ebay :-)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 19, Zane H. Healy wrote: > There is no shortage of real PDP-11's around here, the biggest problem I Huh? Where are you? I think it's time for a road trip. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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who says great deals can't be had on ebay!

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I was going through the Ebay completed items just out of boredom, and noticed that an HP2748B paper tape reader went for $5.00 back on April 6th. That is one HECK of a deal!!! About a year and a half ago I saw (much to my chagrin, long story) an HP 7900A disc drive in working condition go for about $100 bucks. I missed the 2748B, but wouldn't have bid anyways, I already have two :) Jay West

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Office Max events

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/19/02 1:36:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: > One word I am fond of throwing around in the presence of retail management > is "misrepresentation". It usually gets their attention. Even at > Well, if you find a discrepency in a stores fliers, it's not only false advertisement (which most stores could care less about) but the big one to throw at them is it's also Mail Fraud (a federal offence)... -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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AIM ROMs

by paul＠wccnet.org

I have the AIM monitor in ASCII format. Send me a message off-list if you want a copy e-mailed to you. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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QBUS VAX and M7941 under VMS - info needed!

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> From owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Thu Apr 18 15:17:12 2002 > X-Authentication-Warning: ns2.ezwind.net: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org using -f > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:38:24 +0100 > From: Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> > Organization: The Nicely Naff Network > X-Accept-Language: en > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: QBUS VAX and M7941 under VMS - info needed! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Hi all, > > I have a MicroVAX (BA123 enclosure, KA650 CPU) that I would like > to put to work... to this end I have two M7941 (DRV11) parallel I/O > cards that I would like to bring into service. The Micronotes say that > this card is compatible with the 22-bit QBUS, and I have the Field > Service print set so I can set the CSR and vectors to appropriate > values. > > Of course, VMS does not have a driver for these cards, but I am > not too frightened by the prospect of a little code - here lies the > problem! Can anyone tell me just how this card maps into the I/O space, > given the CSR? I would like to know just where to read from and write to > in order the drive the beastie... It's sort of standard DEC for a parallel interface. CSR + 2 is the output buffer, connected to connector J1 Bits in CSR+2 are read/write to the CPU besides the data lines, J1 has some control bits REQA which maps to CSR<15> and is read-only NEWDATA, pulse output by CPU writing to CSR+2, which should be used to clear REQA CSR1 which is CSR<1>, read-write for device control CSR + 4 is the input buffer, connected to connector J2 Bits in CSR+4 are read-only to the CPU J2 has control bits: REQB mapped to CSR<7>, read-only DATATRANS, pulse output by CPU reading CSR+4, should be used to clear REQB CSR0 which is CSR<0>, read-write for device control CSR has the usual INT_ENB A at <6> and INT_ENB A at <5> INT_ENB AND REQ makes an interrupt. Interrupt A at VEC, B at VEC+4. Information from "microcomputer interfaces handbook 1980" EB-17723-20 carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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QBUS VAX and M7941 under VMS - info needed!

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Of course, VMS does not have a driver for these cards, but I am >not too frightened by the prospect of a little code - here lies the >problem! Can anyone tell me just how this card maps into the I/O space, >given the CSR? I would like to know just where to read from and write to >in order the drive the beastie... The necessary manuals are all available at: http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ Start with the OpenVMS VAX Device Support Manual ( http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/documentation/PDF/OVMS_VAX_SUP_GD .pdf ) and the OpenVMS VAX Device Support Reference Manual ( http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/documentation/PDF/OVMS_VAX_SUP_GD .pdf ) Both of these are now in the archived section. The second one of these is basically an introduction to writing a device driver for OpenVMS VAX and includes probably all the info you need for the Qbus mapping in Chapter 14. The Coinnect to Interrupt stuff in Chapter 21 may be a useful introduction if you've not done a full driver before. It will show you how to map the registers and respond to device interrupts. Once you can do that you should have the hang of talking to devices on the Qbus and can move on to doing a driver proper. Antonio

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The Unit (was: One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac))

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>X-Server-Uuid: e4c4d26a-1188-11d5-b029-00508be35655 >X-Authentication-Warning: ns2.ezwind.net: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org using -f >From: "Carlini, Antonio" <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> >To: "'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: RE: The Unit (was: One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac)) >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:23:41 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-WSS-ID: 10A18E9F850016-01-02 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Since when has 'Celsius' been an SI unit? And since when has the > >abreviation for it been 'C'? C _is_ used for an SI unit -- the >Coulomh. > > Twas a coulomb when I were at skool ... > My Calculator says C is 299792458. Dwight

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King's Quest and the PCjr

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

Would someone who has the PCjr King's Quest disks tell me which files are on which disk? (Or, if it's just one disk, what files are on it?) I really want to get this working! :-) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- The steady state of disks is full. -- Ken Thompson -------------------------

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Secret Mac

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Does anybody know if motherboard removal was >a common practice in decomissioning tempest computers? Maybe the people that were using it were super paranoid? There is a company near here dumping PCs right now, and each one has to have its motherboard snapped in half before it hits the dumpster.... because they are afraid a rival company will get the PC and find info left behind on the motherboard. (it really just tells me some ignorant person is in charge of the disposal, but either way, it is their policy right now). Hard Drives are being reformatted with one of those secure wiping programs and then opened and smashed. Of course, I can't personally verify this, as the info came to me from a friend, but with some of the moron IT directors I have met, I don't hesistate to believe it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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20mA serial cable connector

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:59:26 -0400 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Re: 20mA serial cable connector > In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020418171133.00a29500(a)ubanproductions.com> > > Tom, > > Can you post a picture of one? One of the places that I scrounge at has baskets full of cut off cable connectors. I might be able to find some there. > > > Joe > > At 05:11 PM 4/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm looking for a supply of the uncommon DEC 20mA current loop male connector > >shells used to plug into DEC VT100s, Wyse 85s, and the like. It is also used > >to plug into the H744 (and other) power supplies. > > > >The DEC part number is 12-09340-00 which might also be a Mate-N-Lock > >1-480460-0 > > > >I would like to find 12-24 of them. I am assuming that if I can find the > >shells, I can find a pin from either AMP or Molex which will work. Some web browsing shows me that Mate-N-Lock pins are still available, but the flat connector shells seem to be gone. On the Compaq web site there are some cables with Mate-N-Lock on one end and various other connectors on the other end, for use with LA30's. I tried to search the Compaq site for Mate-N-Lock but it crashed my Netscape 6, as usual. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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QBUS VAX and M7941 under VMS - info needed!

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:45:50 -0700 > From: cdl(a)proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: QBUS VAX and M7941 under VMS - info needed! > > It's sort of standard DEC for a parallel interface. > > CSR + 2 is the output buffer, connected to connector J1 > Bits in CSR+2 are read/write to the CPU > > CSR + 4 is the input buffer, connected to connector J2 > Bits in CSR+4 are read-only to the CPU > > CSR has the usual INT_ENB A at <6> and INT_ENB A at <5> > INT_ENB AND REQ makes an interrupt. Interrupt A at VEC, B at VEC+4. > > Information from "microcomputer interfaces handbook 1980" > EB-17723-20 Add-on to my own post. While driving home I remembered something that has bothered me about DEC parallel interfaces (DR11, DRV11) for nearly 30 years. Why couldn't they make the programming model the same as the single-channel serial interface? Input control CSR Input data CSR+2 Output control CSR+4 Output data CSR+6 Then you could use the same software driver for an 8-bit parallel device or an 8-bit serial device. Just plug in a different bit of hardware. Actually the Heathkit 16-bit parallel Qbus card was like that. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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VCF Apple-1 Auction 4/19-4/21

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The VCF is auctioning off another Apple-1 computer. I assume when the auction has concluded, you'll relay what it sold for. Think I can get it for 25 bucks? I'll also cover shipping :-D -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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BIE 4410

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

It's been spoken for a few times over. Now I wish I had a couple of them. -- Pat

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HP 9114B floppy & Pmac dos card & Annex 2

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I need to get rid of some more stuff: - HP 9114 HP-IL floppy drive, two rechargable battery packs (untested) - Powermac 6100 DOS (486) card with 6100 riser, but no dongle - Encore Annex 2 Terminal Server, pair of Amphelon 50pin (SCSI-I style) ports on its back Best offers by 1400 Zulu (7PM CDT) on 4/19/02 gets it. Best bid of at least $10 gets an item. Anything not sold goes to ePay. (more work for me :( ) Help support a 'poor college student' (me) :) -- Pat

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Secret Mac

by mythtech＠mac.com

>It had a VERY expensive 1553 Bus analyzer card in it and ALL the >(Classified) software was still on the drive. I offloaded 1553 files and >wiped and reformatted the drive. but never even peeked at those classified files... right? (wink wink nudge nudge) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:55:58 -0400 > From: "Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinepw4z(a)compsys.to> > Organization: Just Sufficient > X-Accept-Language: en > To: "William R. Buckley" <hhacker(a)ev1.net>, > "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa > > Jerome Fine replies: > > It took a week of trying, but I have finally downloaded all three CD > images for RSX-11 and RT-11 from: > ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ > Note also that the file MD5SUMS seems to contain checksum > values, but I don't know how to use these values or produce them > myself to check if my files are correct. Can anyone help? There is a program "md5sum" that comes with GNU textutils. It will run on most Unix or Unix-like systems. I suspect that with a fair amount of effort it could be made to run on RT11, compiled with DECUS C, but I haven't really looked at that.. When you run mda5sum on a file it produces a 32-hex-digit "message digest". This should match the one that you downloaded from the original source. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > To: "'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:54:27 -0500 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Erik S. Klein [mailto:classiccmp@mail.vintage-computer.com] > > > If the printer you have is the NeXT 400 dpi unit (I don't > > have the model number in front of me) then I picked up > > several from the gentleman who was selling them cheap in the > > Bay Area. If you need one for spares or as a replacement > > I'll be happy to sell it for what I paid for it ($15) plus > > shipping. The ones I have are in excellent (untested) shape > > with some looking almost new. . . > > Well, thanks for the offer. We'll see what happens here. I'm > still hopeful of getting it fixed, and if not, I may be able to > get a replacement locally. I happen to know (from the guy who > runs the place) that the local scrapyard is overrun with these ;) Just remember that all of the NeXT printers are getting on in age, and most of them have one or more of the fatal symptoms: Input roller has dried out so paper doesn't go in. Output gear has stripped so paper doesn't come out. There are other interesting problems that some printers have, such as the "door open" sensing switch insisting that the door is not closed. I don't know how many printers you would have to merge to get one that worked. Randy Rencsok's web site has lots of good documentation on disassembling NeXT printers. < http://www.channelu.com/NeXT/Black > carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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PRO/Venix

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

In case anyone is interested, I was organizing some of my collection today and came across a set of Pro/Venix documentation in original DEC/Professional boxes and the V2.0 release of Pro/Venix (with the developers toolkit). I'm hoping the disks (RX50s) are still readable... If they are, I'll try to make image copies and get them to the PUPS archive... any place else I should consider? Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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The Unit (was: One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac))

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Since when has 'Celsius' been an SI unit? And since when has the >abreviation for it been 'C'? C _is_ used for an SI unit -- the Coulomh. Twas a coulomb when I were at skool ...

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 18, Tony Duell wrote: > I am going to guess this is based on a Canon print engine. If so, then > the first thing to do is to indentify which one. The PrinterWorks > (http://www.printerworks.com/) used to have pictures of printers, > exploded diagrams of the mechanism, etc on their website. They probably > still do. > > Alternatively, does it take the same toner cartridge as any more common > (HP, for example) printer? The NeXT laser printer is a [slightly] modified Canon SX engine. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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AIM-65 displays

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Dick: No, I don't have a machine-readable version of the listing. I scanned the pages directly to PDF (using Acrobar Writer) but I never got around to taking those scans and OCRing them to a text file (it was on the RSN list). I did the PC BIOSes and the VIC Kernal ROM, The KIMs were done by others. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:04 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays You wouldn't happen to have a machine-readable (non-PDF) just text file of the monitor listing, whould you? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cini, Richard" <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: RE: AIM-65 displays > If you look on my Web site, I have scans of all of the AIM manuals as well > as the monitor listing, schematics and ROM dumps. > > http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm > > Rich > > ========================== > Richard A. Cini, Jr. > Congress Financial Corporation > 1133 Avenue of the Americas > 30th Floor > New York, NY 10036 > (212) 545-4402 > (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:17 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays > > > I'd be happy to scan the content and make it available as a G4 TIF file. > Now, > I probably have that stuff somewhere as well, but ... > > Joe Rigdon once said he had an AIM complete with the BASIC and ASM roms. > I'd > assume that the assembler uses the syntax in which the ROMs are written, > which > would help. ISTR he wanted to make the ROMs available, but didn't have an > EPROM programmer at the time, and didn't know how to dump the ROMs without > one. > > Let me know off-list how we can handle the listings. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays > > > > I have the listings. It's a small book called "AIM 65 Monitor Program > > Listing", and includes all the I/O routines, the editor and > > assembler/disassembler. If you don't have it, I could lend it to you. > > > > Jim > > > > > >> I'll have a look to see whether I have any ROM listings. I > > > >> thought I did, > > > > > > > > > >

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 18, Christopher Smith wrote: > I'm certain that this problem comes from the printer setting > too long, and making an indentation in the rubber on the > roller. Has anyone had success in repairing this kind of > thing? The pickup roller is supposed to have a flat spot in it...if that's what you're noticing, it's normal. > The printouts have black in the wrong places sometimes; > fused, but -- well, basically it looks like a bad photocopy :) > Sometimes the misplaced ink will have an imprint from another > part of the same page, or from the previous page. > > There are also "splotches" of white here and there in the > good printouts where there should be some toner. > > I imagine something may be dirty, but not knowing a lot about > laser printers (aside from keep away from the fuser when it's > operating...), I don't' know where to start looking, nor would > I necessarily know how to clean things up if I found the right > spot. CX and SX engines sometimes have problems with crap collecting on the corona wires...especially the transfer corona underneath the paper path. Look for a trough about 0.5" wide with a hair-thin wire running through the middle of it, possibly shielded with a sparse wrapping of a plastic thread that looks like fishing line. Clean this VERY carefully by rubbing an alcohol-saturated cotton swap back and forth over it. That might help a bit. If not, it may be the drum precharge corona wire, which is inside the toner cartridge. There should be a little green plastic tool with a strangely-shaped felt tip stuck into a clip inside the printer. Stick this into the transfer corona wire access slot on the toner cartridge and run it back and forth. It's self-aligning due to the shape of the green plastic tool and grooves in the toner cartridge...there's only one place and direction in which it'll fit correctly. (sorry for the lack of detail here, this is difficult to describe textually) Give that a shot and see how things clean up. If that doesn't help, contact me and I'll see if I can dig up anything else from my dusty memories Canon CX and SX print engine repair training back in 1987. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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AIM-65 monitor source reconstruction

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans B Pufal" <hansp(a)aconit.org> > >On last thing for tonight, you can download the latest version of the >text file at www.aconit.org/hbp/AIM65/monitor.txt > >Good night folks, > > -- hbp > > That's no fair, your picking all the small ones but you missed page 13. Dwight

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NEC V20 and Rainbow (was: NEC V-20 was: Native CP/M)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Lawrence Walker <lgwalker(a)mts.net> > I keep hoping I'll find a cheap stash of V-20s to use on about 3 or 4 of my > boxes, altho they come up fairly reasonable on EPay from time to time. Is US $2.95 reasonable? Jameco sells this ancient IC. Glen 0/0

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missing chips on "new" UNIBUS boards ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, gee, in my zealous bargain-hunts I keep being burned. Two bad CPUs before and now I thought I had a bargain with two UDA50 sets another KFQSA and a DEUNA set. However, as I unpacked yesterday, I noticed that the KFQSA was missing one socketed chip (approx 40 pin DIL, black right in the middle.) Also, one of the UDA50 boards the M7.65 I think is missing a whole set of 10 or so socketed chips all of equal size on the side. My hope is that those are ROMs that may not be needed unless booting from KFQSA or DEUNA is required, but that's a very remote hope. Can they be replaced? Probably makes no sense. grrr, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > little green plastic tool with a strangely-shaped felt tip stuck into After reading this again, I find myself if the "strangely-shaped felt tip" is anything like the "strange flavored chicken" I always see on the menus of oriental restaurants... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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The Unit

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > I'm sorry, and it's not very considerate on my part, but I have little > sympathy for those who want their mass produced recent model > computer to > end up as a TERAZuse! My thinking was more along the lines of a Zuse1 being in the TeraZuse range... The problem is that it would need to have a really strong curve to make modern windows boxen end up in the fractional AttoZuse range where they belong. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Sellam says >If a formula for determining classic computer cool factor gets finalized, >I'd like to create a calculator script on the VCF website so that people >can enter their parameters and have their score automatically computed. > >We need a unit or label for this number. How about CCU = Classic Computer Units Mike

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AIM-65 displays

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>Hi > I have dibbs on page 56 ( I'm a little lazy ). >Dwight > > > There, that wasn't so bad ;) Dwight I/O SUBROUTINES PA00-J001A......PAGE 0056 LINE # LOC CODE LINE 2764 F2BB 4C 8B F2 JMP ROUT1 ;RESTORES REGS 2765 F2BE EA NOP 2766 F2BF EA 2768 F2C0 ;SET SPEED FROM NORMAL TO 3 TIMES NORMAL 2769 F2C0 AD 08 A4 SETSPD LDA TSPEED ;SPEED FLG 2770 F2C3 6A ROR A ;NORMAL OR 3* NORM 2771 F2C4 A0 0C LDA #12 2772 F2C6 90 02 BCC SETSP1 2773 F2C8 A9 04 LDA #4 2774 F2CA 8D 0A A4 SETSP1 STA NPUL 2775 F2CD A9 12 LDA #18 2776 F2CF 90 02 BCC SETSP2 2777 F2D1 A9 06 LDA #6 2778 F2D3 8D 0C A4 SETSP2 STA TIMG+1 2779 F2D6 60 RTS 2780 F2D7 .FILE A3/2

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Erik S. Klein [mailto:classiccmp@mail.vintage-computer.com] > If the printer you have is the NeXT 400 dpi unit (I don't > have the model number in front of me) then I picked up > several from the gentleman who was selling them cheap in the > Bay Area. If you need one for spares or as a replacement > I'll be happy to sell it for what I paid for it ($15) plus > shipping. The ones I have are in excellent (untested) shape > with some looking almost new. . . Well, thanks for the offer. We'll see what happens here. I'm still hopeful of getting it fixed, and if not, I may be able to get a replacement locally. I happen to know (from the guy who runs the place) that the local scrapyard is overrun with these ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok, I reset the netinfo database -- now as soon as I can get it to give me a login prompt again instead of kicking me into the 'me' account at boot I'll be in business there, but my NeXT b&w laser printer is somewhat cranky. Having not been used for years, I can see how this might be... Here are it's problems: Paper feed roller doesn't like to work well all the time. I'm certain that this problem comes from the printer setting too long, and making an indentation in the rubber on the roller. Has anyone had success in repairing this kind of thing? The printouts have black in the wrong places sometimes; fused, but -- well, basically it looks like a bad photocopy :) Sometimes the misplaced ink will have an imprint from another part of the same page, or from the previous page. There are also "splotches" of white here and there in the good printouts where there should be some toner. I imagine something may be dirty, but not knowing a lot about laser printers (aside from keep away from the fuser when it's operating...), I don't' know where to start looking, nor would I necessarily know how to clean things up if I found the right spot. Any ideas? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > To: "Classiccmp (E-mail)" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: NeXT (Almost-up-and-running-now) Laser Printer > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:25:54 -0500 > > Ok, I reset the netinfo database -- now as soon as I can > get it to give me a login prompt again instead of kicking > me into the 'me' account at boot I'll be in business there, As the user "me" give yourself a password. You can do this in the standard Unix way from a terminal window command line, or with the "Preferences" GUI. Then log out. This will activate the GUI login window. Now log in as root, and give root a password. > but my NeXT b&w laser printer is somewhat cranky. > Having not been used for years, I can see how this might > be... > > Here are its problems: > > Paper feed roller doesn't like to work well all the time. > > I'm certain that this problem comes from the printer setting > too long, and making an indentation in the rubber on the > roller. Has anyone had success in repairing this kind of > thing? See < http://www.channelu.com/NeXT/Black/Laser/index.html >. For that matter, look at the whole site, it is full of NeXT information. Also look around at < http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ > which is another repository of NeXT information. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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AIM-65 displays

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Rich and All I found a list book as well in my pile but I'm glad someone else has it up on the net. I was concerned about copying it because of the weak binding. Looking at the other AIM-65 stuff I have, I found ROMs for BASIC, Forth and PASCAL. I have manuals for the BASIC and Forth is Forth so doesn't need a manual but I have no manual for the PASCAL. I can make dumps of these ROM's if there is interest. Dwight >From: "Cini, Richard" <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> > >If you look on my Web site, I have scans of all of the AIM manuals as well >as the monitor listing, schematics and ROM dumps. > >http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm > >Rich > >========================== >Richard A. Cini, Jr. >Congress Financial Corporation >1133 Avenue of the Americas >30th Floor >New York, NY 10036 >(212) 545-4402 >(212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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The Unit (was: One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac))

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sridhar the POWERful [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > Zuse gets my vote. Words like Gigazuse (GZ) sound really cool. Can we make it sufficiently small that it might extend to TerraZuse? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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The Unit (was: One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac))

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/18/02 11:05:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de writes: > > > > >> If a formula for determining classic computer cool factor gets > finalized, > > > >> I'd like to create a calculator script on the VCF website so that > people > > > >> can enter their parameters and have their score automatically > computed. > > > >> We need a unit or label for this number. > > > >The neuron. > > > Feh! Too common, everyone has a few many don't use them. > > > > First it should be dimensionless, those are weird enough. If not then > > > like DB (DeciBell) which will give it a log or exponential character > though > > > I'd be interested in seeing other oddly shaped numbers. > > > > A possible name? Calcula with a range of values from microcalcula > > > (watch calc or smaller) to Kilo or maybe megacalcula(Sage! or other > beast). > > > Nahh, how about the bogacool? -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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The Unit

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > leaving out one more parameter in the calculation. (rarity? > inability to > run MICROS~1 software? weight? unknown to the general population? Well, I generally include inability to run microshaft software when I'm trying to figure out how cool a system is. Those that you can get a winders emulator for generally rank above those that run it natively, and those that you can't get an emulator for above that, A.S.O. -- I'm not sure how you'd turn that into a number to be used in a calculation, though. Perhaps that would be going the wrong way -- it would be simple just to find the minimal amount of internal storage required for a "supported" system, in comparison to the space required by the full system, and to subtract from the score based on that number. That would certainly harm more "modern" systems which run microsoft software ;) This "internal storage density" would probably be something like: (<Fixed-Media> + <RAM> + <ROM>)/Meters^3 (where the storage should be represented in some suitably large or small unit) Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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AIM-65 displays

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans B Pufal" <hansp(a)aconit.org> > >Richard Erlacher wrote: >> It turns out that Rich Cini has the ROM listings in PDF format on his website >> http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm along with the >> manuals, etc. That'll save some effort, since he's already done the work. > >I saw this a few days ago in browsing but forgot about it til today. You >beat me by about an hour! > >Anyone want to volounteer to get the monitor source into ascii? If we >all chip in we would only have to do a page or four each. Needs >coordination though - I'd be willing to do that. > > -- hbp > > Hi I have dibbs on page 56 ( I'm a little lazy ). Dwight

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One-upsmanship

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > I think that certainly one of the criteria should be the HVAC > required... > "My computer requires more tons of AC cooling than yours" What about immersion cooling? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Need Shugart 860-1 info

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Does anyone know if the HH 8" floppy Shugart 860-1 is a single or double sided drive? Paxton Astoria, OR

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AIM-65 displays

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

If you look on my Web site, I have scans of all of the AIM manuals as well as the monitor listing, schematics and ROM dumps. http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:17 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays I'd be happy to scan the content and make it available as a G4 TIF file. Now, I probably have that stuff somewhere as well, but ... Joe Rigdon once said he had an AIM complete with the BASIC and ASM roms. I'd assume that the assembler uses the syntax in which the ROMs are written, which would help. ISTR he wanted to make the ROMs available, but didn't have an EPROM programmer at the time, and didn't know how to dump the ROMs without one. Let me know off-list how we can handle the listings. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays > I have the listings. It's a small book called "AIM 65 Monitor Program > Listing", and includes all the I/O routines, the editor and > assembler/disassembler. If you don't have it, I could lend it to you. > > Jim > > > >> I'll have a look to see whether I have any ROM listings. I > > >> thought I did, > > > >

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Zenith Dual 8" drive

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have a Zenith 8" dual disk drive unit that I need to sell so. It has two Shugart 860-1s in it. Anyone interested before it gets to eBay. Please contact me at whoagiii(a)aol.com if interested Paxton Astoria, OR

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The Unit (was: One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac))

by csmith＠amdocs.com

-----Original Message----- From: LFessen106(a)aol.com [mailto:LFessen106@aol.com] > Nahh, how about the bogacool? Actually, how about we call it a "metric ton," which could be written in Britain as "metric tonne..." *duck* Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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VAX-11/785 available, act immediately

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

At 09:55 AM 4/18/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se> writes: > >> > I had no profit motive and am in no way associated with the originator >> > of the message I forwarded. (*He* undoubtedly expects to make a modest >> > profit as finder of the equipment.) >> >> Okay. So this was a probing for business. Then it also was spam. Here is my 2 cents. The original post seems pretty innocuous to me and if you read it closely, you would have figured out that the poster and the person who had the machine were two different people. The poster (in my opinion) was just trying to share a find with someone who might be interested in saving a classic from the scrap mill. I have dealt with the person/company who was making the offer to save the machine for a profit, and yes that is what companies do. This guy is paid to make money for his company. I had an email conversation with him and it would appear that they bought some of the parts from the machine for resale to their customers and this guy put some enough extra thought into it to think that there is this group of crazy collectors our there that might be interested in the machine. Yes he is probably thinking from a profit point of view, but at least he is thinking of us. There are so many of these guys that don't think of us and end up destroying old machines which would make great projects for someone on this group, that it make me ill. Further, in my mind, the endless number of worthless flaming messages which were spawned by a list members attempt at providing a pointer to an available machine is *far* worse than an infrequent piece of spam, which we ought to just ignore. Can't we all just enjoy our hobby instead of ragging on each other? --tom

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Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 17, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > So I have a question! If my MD5 values are identical to the corresponding > MD5 values in MD5SUMS, can I assume that I have received three > identical images? Yup. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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VCF Apple-1 Auction 4/19-4/21

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

It was written... >On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote: >> >> > I thought the Apple I was sold as a kit? It would be possible to >> >desolder >> > a whole board without damage to scan it, but it takes lots of time, >> > patience, and skill. >> >> I believe all of the units after the first batch of 50 delivered to >> The Byte Shop were wave soldered. I could be wrong. I have to go >> back and refresh my Apple-1 history. > > >I wasn't aware of that. Let me know what you find out. I had always heard >that nearly all of Apple I systems were sold as unassembled board kits. Well... as employee #4 of Byte Shop #4 (Portland, Oregon), and the one there who had to make various of that first batch actually do something interesting... <G> I can offer a few observations on this: As I recall, all of the Apple-1 units that came through our store were pre-assembled. I seem to recall someone asking about kits, but the 'party line' at the time was that Apple (I seem to recall the comment being attributed to Woz) considered it too difficult to assemble (without damaging it) for the 'average' customer. Keeping in mind that whoever actually bought one of the things had to figure out how to connect a (parallel) keyboard to it, plus the video and cabling for the cassette recorder. What you may have been thinking of was the occassions where Woz passed out schematics at the Homebrew Computer Club meetings for anyone who wanted to try to assemble on on their own. Just my $0.02 worth... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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I AM AN IDIOT! ARGHHHHH!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

This is sooo frustrating. I shot myself in the foot and probably betrayed some of my friends here. I was going to snipe the 8 PDP boards from eBay that included the DEUNA set for 10 bucks or so. I set my agent to the wrong auction! Now a reseller got that stuff for $5.50. A RESELLER, FOR FIVE BUCKS! I could jump under a falling VAX for that! I am sooooooo sorry if you had been standing back because you saw the bid history. I will never do that again. But then when will there ever be a DEUNA for five bucks! A reseller. Argh. -Gunther

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TTL computing

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Playing aroud a bit with TTL using SSI parts, I get about 8-10 chips per bit on the average for the alu. For 16 bit computer that is about 160 chips. I would say 1/3 more for control or about 250 chips total. Does this sound right people with 16 bit TTL computers? -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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It's alive!

by mythtech＠mac.com

>We've managed to get the Apple-1 being auctioned working. We can enter >commands into the monitor and get expected responses. We're going to get >a cassette drive hooked up to it and attempt to load BASIC next. In that case... I'll raise my $25 bid to $30 + shipping, but not a penny more! (since I will cover shipping, that should outbid Toth's $35 offer earlier) Damn, I wish I could just get to play with an Apple 1 someday :-( (stewing in jealousy that Sellam is getting to resurrect this one) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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