- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ben Franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> ---ship--- >>BTW Nuclear fusion on the small scale in a interesting hobby for the >man who has done everything. >http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~kronjaeg/hv/fusor/construction/index.… I get a kick out of the fact that he made the electrodes in the shape of the old atom symbol they used to use in the advertisements. Does anyone remember the name of the little cartoon character that the GE advertisements had for the atom? Dwight

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/25/2002 12:21:52 PM Central Daylight Time, dquebbeman(a)acm.org writes: > > The floppy port one was called the Hard Disk 20 (Hard Drive 20?? damn, I > > always screw that up). You are right on the SCSI one (20SC). And there is > > a 2nd product that I am aware of Apple made for the floppy port. An > > external 400k floppy drive. They may have made other external floppies > > for the Mac that use the floppy port as well (800k maybe, but I don't > > think they made a 1.44 external) > > > > There were of course other floppy drives made for floppy ports on the > > IIgs, but I don't know if that is the same functionality, so I don't know > > if those could have been used on the Mac. > > I used to own an external 400k drive, sold it about 10 years ago > along with the old 400k internal drive they let me keep when I > had my Fat mac upgraded to a 512Ke. > > Yes, Apple did make an external drive, ISTR is was called UniDrive > but that was also what they called the single plastic 5.25inch drives > for the Apple //e, according to Sellam... So I think Apple may have > goofed and used the name twice. However, these were not Superdrives, > IIRC, they didn't support 1.44MB, only 800MB. > > When I first saw it, the sounds it made were like a little hard > drive, or so it seemd at the time. > > Third-parties also made external drives; I have one such beast, > can't recall the maker, but I think it has both autoeject in > addition to the quite visible and accessible front-panel eject > button. > Apple called their drives Unidisks, at least for the // family. There was also an apple 3.5 drive, but was only for the mac I think. There was some compatibility notes on what drives went with what. I once had an external Laser 800k drive that worked with either the Laser128 or mac.

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I think there was exactly one product from Apple that plugged into >the floppy port - a 20MB disk that required strange drivers. I >don't recall the part number, but when Apple came out with a 20MB >SCSI disk, they called it the "20SC" or something similar (IIRC) >to distinguish it from the older product. The floppy port one was called the Hard Disk 20 (Hard Drive 20?? damn, I always screw that up). You are right on the SCSI one (20SC). And there is a 2nd product that I am aware of Apple made for the floppy port. An external 400k floppy drive. They may have made other external floppies for the Mac that use the floppy port as well (800k maybe, but I don't think they made a 1.44 external) There were of course other floppy drives made for floppy ports on the IIgs, but I don't know if that is the same functionality, so I don't know if those could have been used on the Mac. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>You couldnt chain a floppy drive off the HD20 though. You sure? I seem to recall that at one point I had two HD20's chained with a 400k floppy at the end (for 3 devices hanging off the floppy port). This was probably on my Mac Plus, as that is the machine that saw the most use of my HD20's. But I could be remembering wrong (I am at least almost 100% positive that I had two HD20's chained at one point) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Unix versions

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > I guess talking to my self and jerking violently and twitching is ok > > then after 20 years in the biz... > > No IRIX in the mix? IRIX in morning, sysadmins take warning... IRIX at night, hacker's delight. <Shudder> -dq

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open "dumpster" event in New Haven, CT

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

For those of you just catching up to this, the stuff has all been either tossed or claimed. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > This is the whole list. The room has to be emptied _today_, so I can > bring stuff home with me, if you want to get it later in the day. I'll try > to take home any of the smaller unclaimed stuff to store. > Again, everything is in unknown, untested condition; as-is. > Let me know by around 5:00 pm eastern time... > > > ---------- > > From: David Woyciesjes > > > > We're cleaning here, and got some stuff being tossed. > > > > Free, Come pick it up... > > > > 12 old modems - Gandalf LDS125 (?) > > about 12 (?) dozen tape reels. 12" diameter. They're in 4 15" monitor > > boxes... > -1 box is probably taken... > > 2 HP LaserJet IID, with duplex - Taken? > > 1 HP LaserJet IIID, w/ duplex - taken? > > some long comms(?) cables > > Epson line printers > > CSU/DSU > > -- > > > And here's more stuff... > > 2 Topaz Powermaker UPSs > 1, maybe 2 Datability Vista terminal servers > 1, maybe 2 Delnis > Digital DECRepeater 350 > DeskJet 500 > DeskJet Plus > VT220 > VT420 > Radius 21" (?) monchrome monitor > > -- > --- David A Woyciesjes > --- C & IS Support Specialist > --- Yale University Press > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu > --- (203) 432-0953 > --- ICQ # - 905818 > Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > >

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chris > > >I think there was exactly one product from Apple that plugged into > >the floppy port - a 20MB disk that required strange drivers. I > >don't recall the part number, but when Apple came out with a 20MB > >SCSI disk, they called it the "20SC" or something similar (IIRC) > >to distinguish it from the older product. > > The floppy port one was called the Hard Disk 20 (Hard Drive 20?? damn, I > always screw that up). You are right on the SCSI one (20SC). And there is > a 2nd product that I am aware of Apple made for the floppy port. An > external 400k floppy drive. They may have made other external floppies > for the Mac that use the floppy port as well (800k maybe, but I don't > think they made a 1.44 external) > > There were of course other floppy drives made for floppy ports on the > IIgs, but I don't know if that is the same functionality, so I don't know > if those could have been used on the Mac. > > -chris > > <http://www.mythtech.net> > This reminds me... I have here an Applied Engineering AEHD 3.5" External disk drive for Apple Computers. But the machine it's from is long gone. Who wants it? Say, $20 for me to pack it and ship it out. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/25/2002 10:46:00 AM Central Daylight Time, mythtech(a)mac.com writes: > >I think there was exactly one product from Apple that plugged into > >the floppy port - a 20MB disk that required strange drivers. I > >don't recall the part number, but when Apple came out with a 20MB > >SCSI disk, they called it the "20SC" or something similar (IIRC) > >to distinguish it from the older product. > > The floppy port one was called the Hard Disk 20 (Hard Drive 20?? damn, I > always screw that up). You are right on the SCSI one (20SC). And there is > a 2nd product that I am aware of Apple made for the floppy port. An > external 400k floppy drive. They may have made other external floppies > for the Mac that use the floppy port as well (800k maybe, but I don't > think they made a 1.44 external) > > There were of course other floppy drives made for floppy ports on the > IIgs, but I don't know if that is the same functionality, so I don't know > if those could have been used on the Mac. > > The hard drive was called an HD20. I have a mac 512k that uses it. About a fast as a floppy drive, but at least it held 20megs worth. You couldnt chain a floppy drive off the HD20 though.

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UNIX versions

by root＠diablonet.net

Douglas H. Quebbeman said: > > IRIX in morning, sysadmins take warning... > IRIX at night, hacker's delight. Hey, I actually like IRIX quite a bit! :) Granted, if I wanted to run an Internet server, I would probably reach for one of my Sun slabs running NetBSD, but my desktop UNIX workstation sitting next to me here is an Indigo2! I love SGI hardware -- I have a ton of Indy, Indigo, and Indigo2 systems that I run as UNIX workstations around the house, and I have not yet found a window manager that I prefer over 4Dwm. All my SGI machines are superbly reliable, although security can get to be a concern sometimes. 16 CDs? That seems really strange -- I tend to throw almost the entire system on my machines (drive space willing) and it takes maybe six or seven for 6.5.0... Kind regards, Sean Caron -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

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Anyone Care About RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

I will shortly be making some copies of the CD images from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ that I have downloaded and wish to offload from my hard disk drive. I have verified each of the 2 RSX-11 and the 1 RT-11 images against the MD5 values in the file MD5SUMS and they are the same. In addition, after I copy the image on my hard drive to the CD, I will verify them against their respective images in their hard drive files. To do so, I will be using RT-11 and BINCOM (with some of my own modifications which allows me to also verify block 65535 at the end of each RT-11 partition). Since there are a maximum of 20 RT-11 partitions on each CD and each BINCOM run takes me less than 30 seconds, the whole comparison can be done in less than 10 minutes - which will probably be about the length of time it takes to make the CD copy in the first place. Since there might be a number of individuals who can't download at a reasonable speed (even with DSL it takes about 12 hours each at about 30 KBytes per second as compared with about 3 KBytes per second on a dial up line), I am prepared to make additional copies (Tim Shoppa no longer seems to have the time to do so) and make them available at my cost of about $ US 1.50 (for media, label, envelope and shipping carton - the media portion is less than half of that total) plus postage. By the way, for myself, I would VERY much appreciate being in touch with all individuals who have a copy of the RT-11 Freeware CD V2.0 so that we might exchange information about RT-11. Tim Shoppa felt that he might be violating privacy concerns if he made the names, of those who ordered the CD, available. I don't see it that way, so if you want your name to be known along with the other individuals (or not as the case may be - i.e. restrict that you have a copy of the RT-11 CD to ONLY specified individuals such as possibly just myself) so that you can receive interesting information about new developments in RT-11 and the status of the operating system, then PLEASE contact me so that we can share information. Also state if you want to be known to the entire group of just to specified individuals. PLUS, as for TSX-PLUS, I am going to try again to knock at the door of S&H to see what they may consider for hobby users. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > I think there was exactly one product from Apple that plugged into > the floppy port - a 20MB disk that required strange drivers. I > don't recall the part number, but when Apple came out with a 20MB > SCSI disk, they called it the "20SC" or something similar (IIRC) > to distinguish it from the older product. I used to have an Apple disk that plugged into the floppy port. 20M as you say, but it booted directly, so it must not have been too "strange." > That having been said, I would question how much Apple "discouraged" > people from using the SCSI port on the Mac Plus. There may have > been an alternative and Apple may have pushed it over third-party > disks, but once the stock of strange disks ran out, presuming > the Mac Plus was still being made, I doubt Apple would continue > to urge people to ignore the SCSI port. So you're saying they probably wanted people to use their disk over what SCSI disks were available? It wouldn't surprise me. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com] > I know I never increased my drinking, smoking, cursing and profuse > consumption of potato chips, coffee, or cola because of > playing games on > an Apple II. Nor did I, though, I already consumed more than enough potato chips and cola. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > > > constitutes a "toy", even in the most general of terms. > > I'd say anything that runs windows primarily. *duck* > To be defined as a "TOY", doesn't it have to be FUN? You have a point, but just because it isn't _my_ idea of fun to watch an hourglass cursor spin, set through a boring install procedure every couple of weeks to coax the machine into performing better, all the while spending more money on hardware and software "necessities" that fix bugs in the system the should have never appeared, and worrying about my email client transferring "viri" around... Well, that doesn't mean that it's not somebody else's idea of fun. It obviously must be; just look at the healthy user base they've got. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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DEC3000 Model 500

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Truthan,Larry [mailto:truthanl@oclc.org] > What is a Dec 3000 model 500? Has a cd rom. and a SCSI port > out the back. > Looks Like an Alpha Processor system. What OS? Peanut 2.2? on > handwritten CD. Well, VMS, of course. :) It will also run those other OS's ;) (The OS Formerly Known As OSF/1, NetBSD, that kind of thing...) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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R.I.P. for D.I.Y."

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> At 09:50 PM 4/24/02 -0400, Doug asked: > > > > > > >Where will I buy water wetter? > > E-bay. > > >Where will I buy Nitonol wire? > > E-bay. > > >Where will I buy flock paper? > > E-bay. > > >Where will I buy cheap assortment of lab glassware? > > E-bay. > > >Where will I buy an ultrasonic cleaner? > > E-bay. > > >Where will I buy a good Chinese microscope? > > > E-bay. > > > >and so on... > > Take a guess! Joe- I am not rich enough to be able to take E-Bay into the bathroom with me... Having an Edmund catalog kept me >from having to resort to National Geographic... ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for al l classic OS's

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

GNATS is a pretty good bug tracking system (we use it here), easy to search etc too. What would be really useful IMHO is a means to sort the classiccmp archives, since a great many "FAQs" are answered there somewhere... finding the answer isn't that easy though :-) Googling for whatever I'm looking for and including "classiccmp" in the search list is the best I've come up with so far, anyone found a better way? BTW if nobody's working on a searchable archive I'd be happy to take the work on? Cheers Al.

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FREE STUFF! (Well almost)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I spotted this in the CPM news-group. It looks like a good deal for somebody. From: Gerald Pine <gdpine(a)pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm Subject: Liquidating collection of CPM (and some other) machines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.101.253.40 X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1019533029 ST000 32.101.253.40 (Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:37:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:37:09 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOXW[B^LX@JJDM^P@VZ\LPCXLLBWLOOAFQATJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:37:09 GMT Xref: cyclone.tampabay.rr.com comp.os.cpm:20184 Hello, I have sold cpm machines from my collection to several of you in the past. I am finally running out of time to disperse my collection of machines before my house is officially sold to its new owners. The machines are in La Grange, Illinois, a southwest suburb of Chicago. My wife is going to include whatever is not left in a garage sale that she is holding next Saturday (the 27th or whatever date is a Saturday about then--no calendar in front of me). If someone can pick up the machines before then, or have a friend pick them up, they can be had for a VERY attractive price. In fact, we'll let you name what you think is reasonable. The more you take, the cheaper the better we'll like it. I don't want to dumpster these if I can avoid it, and I doubt that the local thrift store will be interested in them. Among what I have are: Multiple Osborne I's --at least one I know is working. Some have developed glitches sitting around for the last few years, and I think that they could easily be made to work, but no guarantees. I do have at least boot disks for most, but you might have to sort through some diskettes to pick them out. Take them all and your job is easier. Multiple Xerox 820-II's: 1 dual 8-inch floppy, 8-inch hard drive; 1 dual 8-inch floppy. 1 dual 5 1/4 inch floppy; some home made 8-inch drive cabinets. Have software (much) for these, and even have one pretty complete set of manuals and original diskettes, including a technical manual, CPM and operating manuals of various types, and MS-DOS manual, a CPM-86 manual, a graphics manual, wordstar, and probably some that I'm not remembering. I'd like to get a few bucks for the manuals especially. A Sanyo MBC-1000(?) not sure of the number, but it is a single floppy drive Z80 machine with boot disks and some software that I've transferred. Almost new condition. An Altos 580 and an Altos 8000: The 580 is in fine working condition with CPM and MPM system disks and some software for CPM that I've transferred from other formats. The 8000 needs a new power supply. A Mac LC-II. Machine was working, but keyboard stopped responding except for click noise. Haven't had time to diagnose it. A Data General 1 portable MS-DOS machine (8086 or 8088, not sure which). Works and comes with expansion docking station and external 5 1/4 inch drive. No software for docking station, unfortunately. A Vic 20 with lots of goodies. A TI-99. Not sure what;s with it. A Columbia PC, PC compatible luggable, similar to Compaq original portables. A IBM XT with hard drive and CGA monitor. 4 Televideo terminals, 3 925's and a 950. Also one copy each of service manuals and several operating manuals. A Sperry terminal. An Apple IIc with color and monochrome monitors and lots of software. Wordstar 4 for CPM and for MS-DOS in original boxes. SuperCalcII for Osborne. Lots more software, getting too tired to list. Send me your email address and I'll give you details about where it is and how to arrange to see it. Please help me to keep from dumpstering this. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to pack and ship it, so local pickups only. Gerald Pine

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:35:26 -0400 > From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> > : > [no room on the puny 6G HD for Linux, tho... it's fully Linux certified as > well...] LOL, you're kidding, right? :-) If not, contact me off list and I'll be more than happy to forward instructions for installing a very useful Linux setup onto an even punier 420Mb hard disk! Cheers, Al.

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new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for al l classic OS's

by GOOI＠oce.nl

> Thanks a MILLION to all who have donated parts and/or money > so far to get a separate dedicated classiccmp server. > ... > Decisions decisions.... if anyone still wants to donate to > the cause, my paypal id is jwest(a)classiccmp.org Ok, I will truncate the last digits in my account for you. - Henk.

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Anyone Care About RT-11

by GOOI＠oce.nl

> >Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > > By the way, for myself, I would VERY much appreciate > > > being in touch with all individuals who have a copy of the > > > RT-11 Freeware CD V2.0 so that we might exchange > > > information about RT-11. Tim Shoppa felt that he might > > > be violating privacy concerns if he made the names, of those > > > who ordered the CD, available. > > I can appreciate Tim's discretion, but I don't mind it being known > > that I ordered a copy from him. > > Jerome Fine replies: > > Is that OK just for myself or among others who are like minded? > If the latter, then RT-11 announcements will be sent to all 4 or 5 > of you at the same time - makes it easier. I think Tim said he sold > about 40 of the RT-11 Freeware CD, so many more names to go. I did also buy a copy of RT-11 (1 CD) and RSX11-M (2 CD's) from Tim. - Henk.

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

On April 21, Richard Erlacher wrote: >BTW, when the NEXT boxes first came out, we had a few of them sitting around >for people to look at and play with. I personally was not impressed. They >were EXTREMELY low on gigaflops per picobuck and, aside from the OS, I don't >remember any applications that didn't have the same look and feel as a small >mono-MAC costing ~1/10 as much. Finally gored my ox - but it's on-topic! Yee-hah. Nice things created on NeXT systems: * the WWW (or rather the html protocol underlying it) by Tim Berners Lee (sic?). * Mathematica - though probably is not useful to the work you do, it's indispensable to some of mine. * Zilla, the fore-runner of most of the distributed-computing, grid-computing, commodity CPU projects buzzwording around today. Distributed as an example application on NeXT 3.3 and used to crack several outstanding mathematical compute-intensive problems. * Attached sound and graphics files in email. Hmm, maybe this is not good. Basically, a lot of the computing technologies you now rely on first appeared on NeXT systems. They may not have impressed you then, but they should now. You are right about the Flops rating - that was only a bit higher than Macs/PC's and well behind Sparc's, Alphas, etc. But Flops/dollar is not the best metric of a general-purpose computer. If you think it is, buy yourself a used (Sony) PS/2 and we'll all be happier. For many kinds of work, developer time to a working solution is the dominant metric, and NeXT was very near the good end of that scale. >The problem with these machines, as borne out by the market, is that they >weren't what the home user wanted. Quite right - the home user wanted applications, rather than the ability to develop applications, and the corporate user wanted Flops - which meant Suns and Alphas. There were not enough developers to float the market for the hardware. But note, the NeXT company did *not* fail - it successfully moved its software to Sun, PA-Risc, and x86 platforms, where it maintained a serious business niche until it eventually was bought out by a higher volume hardware player - Apple. The same software is now the second-best-selling (? am I right in claiming this?) OS on the planet. There's a NeXT on my desk at work right now, running Mathematica and perl tasks, websurfing, backing up my portable .... its utility (to me) exceeds that of any Windows machine I've seen. Count me in with James Rice - if you see a working NeXT of any sort under $20 or so, and *particularly* if you see a cube hooked up to a color display, I'd take it most kindly if you'd notify me, or at least someone on the list. It ain't junk to everyone. Best contact for me is at the above email address. - Mark

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> > An easy way to spot a product intended for the toy market as opposed to >> > one intended to be seen as a computer, is that the disk drive interface >> > is external. >I would propose that the label "toy" might be suitable for machines that >have external disk controllers _and_ an external network interface Woah... my PS/2 is a 'real' computer? It has internal storage (built in DVD drive, and 2 user upgradable RAM slots), AND has built in network interfaces (2 USB ports on the front which can be used for connecting 2 PS/2's together, and a proprietary expansion slot on the back for the recently released network/modem connector for connecting your PS/2 to the internet.. which I would classify as built in, since it connects to the single body unit, and was intended pretty much for this network box, and really is more of an optional part). Glad to know I didn't spend $300 on a toy. Oh... and the GameBoy is a real computer to. It has built in storage (game card slot), and built in networking (head to head port). I could probably go on with more examples... I could even narrow it down to ones that have built in floppy drives (to fade off the non "disk" drive concept, although I think claiming to need a floppy drive excludes an awful lot of other legit storage mediums, like all those systems that only use tape). There is a V-Tech kids learning "computer" that comes to mind that used 3.5" floppies (although, it might have lacked the required network port, but I think it had a serial port, but probably didn't support a "network" protocol). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple-1 Auction conclusion

by vcf＠siconic.com

In case anyone is interested, the Apple-1 sold for $14,000, right at the reserve price. A low number by my estimation, but respectable considering the overall circumstances. :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The same software is now the >second-best-selling (? am I right in claiming this?) OS on the planet. Actually, recent reports say that more copies of OS X are selling off the retail shelves than Win XP... so looking at best *SELLING* OS, one might argue it is the #1 best seller. (of course, XP beats it out by a long shot when looking at most copies moved when included in bundles with the computer... but again, one could argue it is the computer you are buying then, and not the OS) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>In the early days, 1980 and earlier, people got their low-end computers, e.g. >Commodore Pet, TRS-80, minimally equipped APPLE, etc, into the house under >the >guise of being able to do useful works with respect to the household ... >generically referred to as "balancing the checkbook" but not limited to that. >They were seldom used for that. They were tools for self-amusement/abuse, >often leading to increased drinking, smoking, cursing, and profuse >consumption >of potato chips, coffee, cola, or whatever. Um... do you per chance believe Apple is a satanic company because of 'Darwin'? I know I never increased my drinking, smoking, cursing and profuse consumption of potato chips, coffee, or cola because of playing games on an Apple II. I did however increase my use of "Whatever", but I blame that on the 70's. And I didn't start the self abuse for another few years.... hey, I was only 7... how young should I have started?!? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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anyone with an old national memory databook ?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

I am looking for info on a National Semi 4916944-2 memory IC in a 16-pin 0.3" DIP package. I am assuming that it is some variant of the 4164, but am not sure. --tnx --tom

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Specifications Sought for 7-Track Tape Heads

by aek＠spies.com

> I'm seeking a source for the specifications for 7-track tape > heads. I'm thinking what I really need is just the mechanical/ > physical specifications... that leads me to the second part.. OK, a quick session with my calipers confirmed the spacing is the same as 7 track instrumentation recorder heads (which are weird two stack things with every other track on a separate head) http://jcs.mil/RCC/files/xappxd.pdf for details. >from that spec: track width .050" +/- .005 track spacing .070" track tolerance +/- .002 track number 1 (reference) .000 2 .070 3 .140 4 .210 5 .280 6 .350 7 .420

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new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for all classic OS's

by mhstein＠canada.com

EXCELLENT IDEA!!!! Maybe with time there could be systems for classic hardware, languages & applications as well. I've just about had it with the increasingly inane signal/noise ratio here and would very much welcome a place to just find or be a resource when I don't have the time or inclination to be amused or irritated. My C$0.02 worth. mike ---------------Original Message------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:53:13 -0500 From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for all classic OS's I would like to put up a problem tracking system for all classic OS's. This would be off the classiccmp.org website, where anyone could put in a problem they have run into

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Quadram drivers?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I'm working on restoring an old 64k IBM PC and I'm putting a Quadram card in it but my driver files are corrupted. Can someone send me a copy of the files? Thanks, Joe

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Unix versions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 24, 13:13, Bill Pechter wrote: > A yes... That explains my current state of mental health: > > Alliant Concentrix (4.2 BSD) > Coherent (v3, v4) > Concurrent/Perkin-Elmer OS/32 > Concurrent Xelos > Concurrent RTU > DEC RT11 > DEC Vax/VMS (v2.x, 3.x, 4.x) OpenVMS 7.1 > FreeBSD (v1.x, 2.x, 3,x, 4.x) > HP-UX (v9.x) > IBM AIX RS6000 (v3.2,4.1.x) > Linux (Red Hat, Mandrake, Caldera, Slackware, SLS, Suse) > SCO/Caldera Open Desktop/Server, SCO/Caldera Unixware 2.x, Xenix86) > SunOS4.x > Solaris2.x,7,8 > Pyramid OS/X > Pyramid DC/OSx > Unix System III (UnipLUS > Unix System V (Release 0,2,3,4) Mine is approximately BSD 2.11 BSD 4.3 Vax/VMS 5.something RT-11 RSX-11M RISC OS (Acorn, not MIPS RISCOS) Acorn MOS CP/M 2.2 NeXTStep 3.3, OpenStep 4.2(?) Solaris 2.3, Solaris 7 Linux (Slackware, RedHat) IRIX (5.3, 6.5) Windows NT (OK, I know, but it's only used to decode or print Word docs) Those are the ones I've used recently. If you want to count the others here, there's AIX, other Windows, OS/8, 7th Edition Unix, XXDP, and too many more to remember. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ISO a mid-70's Cipher tension-arm tape drive

by aek＠spies.com

Thanks to a pointer from Doug Q. I now have a brand new Cipher 7 track head assembly. I had thought this was just going to be the head, but it is the whole tape path, with a date code of Jan, 1976. Does anyone have a mid-70's Cipher 9 track that I could get to attach this to? My original thought was to put what I thought was just the head onto a 9 track transport, but since this is already aligned, it would be MUCH better to put it onto the drive it was designed for. I will be on the road for the next few weeks, so if you have one and are near SLC, Denver, St Louis, Dayton, Chicago, or Buffalo, I could pick it up.

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"R.I.P. for D.I.Y."

by marvin＠rain.org

I got this URL for an article in Scientific American that seems appropriate for this group :). The last paragraph reads: "Evidently, the something-for-everyone model epitomized by Heathkit and the Amateur Scientist column can't compete anymore. Specialized sources and Internet newsgroups cater to each skill level. But much of the mentoring and serendipity that the diverse community of amateurs offered has been lost. It is hard not to regret its passing." http://www.sciam.com/2002/0502issue/0502scicit4.html

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suggestions on BBC Micro, voltage converter, PAL monitor (in US)?

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> > It has been my mission for some time to bring a BBC Micro back from > England. I would need some way to adapt British plugs to US sockets > and convert the voltage Why not just make a PS to fit? > and I would also need a PAL monitor. PAL to NTSC converters are available for < US$100. Please reply off-list if you need pointers. I fixed a friend up with one and the results were excellent. > Yes, I could bring a montior back from > England along with the computer. I'm not sure if I want to do that. Absolutely not recommended due to the chance of damage en route. Glen 0/0

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DEC3000 Model 500

by truthanl＠oclc.org

What is a Dec 3000 model 500? Has a cd rom. and a SCSI port out the back. Looks Like an Alpha Processor system. What OS? Peanut 2.2? on handwritten CD. I am a digest subscriber. Sincerely Larry Truthan

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Unix versions

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > Heheh. I run a bunch of IRIX machines used for scientific > computing :) It's > really not so bad, if you ignore the more horrifying examples of > brain-deadness (what? 16 CDs for an OS install?!...) One of the great mysteries of the universe is the ability of windows <insert some version number here> to take up more space than IRIX once installed, but only fit on one disk. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Cheap tools (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > > >Now, a real neat example did come to my mind: Isn't MS like >one of these 500 parts for 49.95 tool boxes at K/Wall-Mart ? >You realy get the oddest bits you ever seen and a good selection >of tools - tools where each single one costs you 20 bucks if >you buy them at a tool store. Now, would a serious craftsman >ever buy and use this 49.95 tool box ? No. He'll rather spend >ten times the money on a tenth of the tools to buy exactly the >quality he needs for his job. > Hi Having made the mistake of buying the $49.99 tools in the past, I can tell you that you should have bought the $250.00 set from a good source. The sockets split open, the Philips screwdriver points rounded and damaged the screws and the ratchet busted without even using a cheater. It had a life time guarantee. I found the replacements just as useless. Worse still, the plating from one of the replacement sockets peeled up and slashed my hand. It is better to have tools that don't break or damage your hardware than to have guaranteed junk. Dwight

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Looking for MicroVAX 3100 model 20E comm parts

by msspcva＠yahoo.com

Hello all: I've got a problem finding some parts and I'm hoping someone on this list can help me out. I'm looking for a DSH32-YA second synchronous serial card option P/N 54-17230-01, and especially it's cable P/N 17-02298-01. These go with a DSH32-BA combo controller module for the MicroVAX 3100 Model 20E systems from DEC. Please email or call me at the number below if you've got the -YA module and the cable, or just the cable. Thanks, Frank Helvey ===== = M O N T V A L E S O F T W A R E S E R V I C E S P. C.= Clayton Frank Helvey, President Montvale Software Services, P. C. P.O. Box 840 Blue Ridge, VA 24064-0840 Phone: 540.947.5364 Email: msspcva(a)yahoo.com ============================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> It was thus said that the Great Douglas H. Quebbeman once stated: > > > > The interesting thing is that so much of Letwin's book contradicts > > a magazine article by IBM's Ed Iaccabucci, where Ed described > > a dynamic linking mechanism that worked exactly like the one in > > Multics. So at one point, *early* on, there were divergent path > > of development for OS/2, that ended up coalescing into one, the > > wrong one... > > Would you happen to remember the magazine and when? It was around 1987, and it was one of those controlled- circulation magazines, many of which are excellent and not mere advertising rags... "Mini-Micro Systems" may have been it... whatever it was, it underwent a name change while I was subscribed, and I have been searching for the article since about 1990. I've thought about asking Ed personally, but he's a corporate big-wig now, possibly succumbed to PHB disease, and so on... The article galvanized me into buying OS/2 1.0 (Zenith version). I was *very* disappointed when I got the docs on programming the system, and discovered I'd once again suffered from bait-and-switch... -dq

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/24/2002 2:52:50 PM Central Daylight Time, erd_6502(a)yahoo.com writes: > Right... remember "OS/2 for the PS/2 - half an OS for half a computer"? > > -ethan > > > ah, but those of us who use both know that that couldnt be further from the truth.

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linux in 6gb

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] > > >"Enhanced" MINIX FS -- I actually got a copy of FIPS, and broke the >disk into two partitions. The linux part was slightly larger than >10M, with five for swap. My first pass was Minix2.0 {very fast on a 386/16 with 5mb) and used that to download Linux. The first linix install frm CD was on a 8mb 486slc/25 with an 80mb IDE disk. The current Linux toy is 486/133 with 16mb and a 2.1mb disk from the Caldara Openlinux 2.3 CD. Most of the bells and toys are installed and it's big but useful. A bare bones install still fits on a small disk with useful room if you forget all the packages and Xserver. Allison

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anyone with an old national memory databook ?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Tom Uban" <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > >I am looking for info on a National Semi 4916944-2 memory IC in >a 16-pin 0.3" DIP package. I am assuming that it is some variant >of the 4164, but am not sure. > >--tnx >--tom > > Hi Tom This is most likely a OEM number. What machine did it come out of? It looks like it might be a HP number or something. A lot of places have their own part numbering system that several manufactures will make labled parts for them. You may need to check what parts were listed for that application. Of course, if the power lines are correct, you can always try the part you think it is. Dwight

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > > > > > such as when Bill Gates said, "The 80286 is brain-dead." ? > > > > > > Did he really say that? I can't imagine what he'd have meant. Perhaps he was > > > mad at the Intel folks. > > > > Yes, he did. > > Also, Gordon Letwin (author of OS/2 at Microsoft) compared mode > > switching of the 286 to having to shut off your engine to change gears > > on the freeway. > > Interesting you bring up Gordon Letwin...I picked up a copy of his book > _Inside OS/2_ last Friday at the annual library book sale. I haven't > started to read it yet, so I hope it was worth the $1 it cost me. OS/2 is/was a nice OS, but it embraced some architectural flaws that persist in Windows and are part of of makes Windows a sucky operating system. Gordon is obviously very proud of his many pronoucements in the book, such as his belief that GPF indicates a program bug and your program must therefore be terminated. GPF is just a fault condition, and can be programmically used to implement OS features. What OS/2 and Windows call dynamic linking isn't dynamic linking at all, for example. The interesting thing is that so much of Letwin's book contradicts a magazine article by IBM's Ed Iaccabucci, where Ed described a dynamic linking mechanism that worked exactly like the one in Multics. So at one point, *early* on, there were divergent path of development for OS/2, that ended up coalescing into one, the wrong one... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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linux in 6gb

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] > My first Linux box was a 40MHz 386-DX (AMD) with 4MB of RAM and a Mine was a 16Mhz 386SX, with 3MB of RAM. (One SIMM, and a strange XMS ISA card from a slightly older system. :) > pair of 40MB Seagate ST-251s... downloaded a piece at a time from Single 40MB IDE disk. > the UNC sunsite onto floppies and installed from them I used the Softlanding from a local BBS... ;) > UMDOS filesystem, since the machine normally booted into DOS 5; "Enhanced" MINIX FS -- I actually got a copy of FIPS, and broke the disk into two partitions. The linux part was slightly larger than 10M, with five for swap. > I used LOADLIN to load Linux (still do on my workstation at home). Used LILO. > My first kernel build took 27 hours. After a series of builds, > I think I got the total build time down to about 16 hours. I don't remember, actually, I used to start them running, and just leave them. Never build a kernel on that machine, though. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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linux in 6gb

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > > > For a more suitable install, I can easily install everything I really use > > (between X windows and a few apps, gaim for IM, kernel source so I can > > recompile my kernel, gcc and related stuff) in 1G or less of space. > > I'll go with the "or less." I have personally put Linux, X11, GCC, a few > apps, etc, along with a swap file (that worked very slowly) on 60MB of a > 95MB zip disk. My first Linux box was a 40MHz 386-DX (AMD) with 4MB of RAM and a pair of 40MB Seagate ST-251s... downloaded a piece at a time from the UNC sunsite onto floppies and installed from them I used the UMDOS filesystem, since the machine normally booted into DOS 5; I used LOADLIN to load Linux (still do on my workstation at home). My first kernel build took 27 hours. After a series of builds, I think I got the total build time down to about 16 hours. Eventually, I copied that system to a single 120MB Seagate IDE drive and ran that on a 486 for a while. One day, on a whim, I brought that drive into work and installed it in a 233MHz Pentium (one). Kernel build time: 15 minutes. ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> For some time now, the gaming console market has been where the real > technological advances in consumer/PC computers have been made. Most PC > users in the business world could get along just fine with a '386 if the OS > and software weren't so bloated now. > > Bob (who is still trying in vain to get MS WinWord to behave and who uses a > WordStar clone on the HP palmtop he carries) The secret to making this work is pretty simple... you just need to drop back to Word for Windows 2.0... it's fast, stable, and even has VBA (albeit they called it WordBASIC back then). -dq

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Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This has been taken... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > > > > Which reminds me. I have an Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel" sitting on > my shelf here. Anybody want it? > > -- > --- David A Woyciesjes >

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Cenbtral Florida JunkFest

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi All, Eric is plannng on arriving here at about 5 PM on Thursday the 16th and leaving the next day to go to Jacksonville (he has a dinner date there that night). Therefore I'm planning on having the JunkFest on Friday morning. Glen has already aggreed that we can hold it at his store in west Orlando. I know it would be better if we could hold it on a weekend but it didn't work out. I was also thinking of trying to get everyone together and going out to dinner on Thursday evening. That would give us some time to chew the fat before the junkfest. I'm not planning on anything fancy, just someplace where we can all pile in and sit around and talk. Let me know what you think. Joe >Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:43:56 -0000 >From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >To: Joe Rigdon <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: travel plans > >The plan has firmed up a bit. I expect to arrive in Orlando on Thursday >May 16 at 4:51 PM, on American Airlines flight 244 from Los Angeles. > >I'll depart for Jacksonville on Friday the 17th. It looks like I'll >either take a bus which departs Orlando at 3:30 PM, or a train that >departs Orlando at 3:53 PM. > >I'd like to figure out the travel and accomodation details. I hope you >won't think me too rude if I ask whether I might be able to sleep on the >floor at your place. I'll have an Aerobed with me. However, if that's >not convenient for you, don't feel pressured; just let me know of an >inexpensive motel nearby. > >Mapquest says that you're about 22 miles from the airport. Do you know >if there is any shuttle service that will get me to your place (or to the >motel)? > >If it's not too much trouble, could you please measure the outside >dimensions of the IBM 5100? I may be able to borrow a suitable transit >case, but I need to make sure it will fit. > >Best regards, >Eric >

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linux in 6gb

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > For a more suitable install, I can easily install everything > I really use > (between X windows and a few apps, gaim for IM, kernel source so I can > recompile my kernel, gcc and related stuff) in 1G or less of space. I'll go with the "or less." I have personally put Linux, X11, GCC, a few apps, etc, along with a swap file (that worked very slowly) on 60MB of a 95MB zip disk. I'm sure I can do better, too... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Windows 2 (Was: Re: "Windows V1.0)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Windows 2 was what they shipped so you could run Excel, which had grown > popular on the MacIntosh, on the PC/AT. That's where much of the prejudice > against "smartdrv" came from, since that first release didn't work very well. > I don't think there were many other app's for it. Windows 2.0 came to me bundled with my Microsoft Mouse (the Dove Bar version with the steel rollers). As far as apps, Micrografix Draw was somewhat popular; but you're right, there weren't many... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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Looking for documents of IMS - boards

by Fritz_Chwolka＠t-online.de

I got an help for some IMS board , hope that someone here have an answer >Subject: Thanks for files >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just want to thank you for making the old manuals and image files available on http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/ I found things here (like the IMS information) I have been hunting for years. I am still looking for documents etc for some other IMS S-100 boards dating from around 1980-84: - A862 Z80 CPU - A930 Floppy Controller - A821 Winchester Controller - A1100 Winchester Controller - A1021 64K RAM You don't by any chance have files for these, do you? :) Best wishes, Arlen Michaels arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Thank you @ classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org . I like this group. PLease answer only to arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca Thanks Greetings from Fritz Chwolka - Duisburg / collecting old computers just for fun at www.alterechner.de \

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