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Pinouts schema for DEC PRO console on printer port

by franco.tassone＠inwind.it

Hi all, I've heard of the possibility to have a serial console connected to the printer port of the DEC Professional series computers, and it is what I'd ike to have. Do you have any pointers to get it solved, or any hints ? The pinouts schema could be the best for me. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Franco

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Supply of DEC 11/23 11/73 front panel switches

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hello Jay. I am sorry to say that I am not going to use those buttons in PDP-11's, but in my StarShip (click the starfield on http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj). I have developed the code for the main screen, with a correct view on the stars. The code allows for magnification and view opening angles. To use these "options" I am looking for 'nice' buttons, like the ones that HP uses. Those buttons have a LED in the middle to indicate that the button is active. If those buttons you have found at the surplus dealer have the LED in the middle of the button, I would like to buy several of them. Let's say 20 with the green colored LED and 20 with the red LED. I can pay via PayPal, or send cash $$ in a letter, what you prefer. Hoping you have found the correct buttons ... and willing to do the effort, kind regards, - Henk. (PS. would it help to say that I was one of the donators?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@imail.kwcorp.com] > Sent: maandag 28 oktober 2002 17:30 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Supply of DEC 11/23 11/73 front panel switches > > Found at a local surplus dealer... a whole container of those > square white > pushbutton switches that I am pretty certain are the ones > used on the "front > panel" of the 11/23 or 11/73 systems. > > They have the following markings.... > > I think they had them marked at 0.59 each, if these are the > right ones (got it at work actually, haven't had a chance to > go home and check they are the right ones) and anyone wants > any, let me know. > > Jay West

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Micropolis hdd

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "WOFTBO Data Recovery" <woftbo(a)cox.net> > >I have been searching for information regarding the assembly of a Micropolis 1991 hard drive. > >What is the best method to disassemble the case to access the latching area? > >Dave S Hi I've found that a hammer and a chisel work best with Micropolis drives. But that is just my opinion. Dwight

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All-In-One Interface For All Your Retro/Legacy Drives

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

Gratuitously ripped from Slashdot: An anonymous reader writes "Individual computers have announced a new version of they're multi-format floppy controller the Cat Weasel. This new version (Catweasel MK3 PCI/Flipper) has a few surprises such as 3 different interfaces to connect it to the host computer and a socket for an original C64 SID chip :). 'The main purpose of the Catweasel has always been to allow access to non-standard disks using normal PC-disk drives, even if you usually need a completely different computer for that. The capacity of the drive does not matter in this case: A 5.25 inch drive with 1.2MByte capacity will read and write a C-64 disk with 170KByte as well as a 3.5 inch drive with 1.44MByte can access a 1,76MByte Amiga disk. Together with a company that has specialized in data recovery, we're working on the implementation of more than 1100 different disk formats, and it does not matter that this has been classified impossible by others before. Even the 800KByte disks from older Macintosh computers can be used in standard 1.44MB drives, although the original drives have rotated their disks at variable speeds.' Find out more at the Catweasel MK3 PCI/Flipper page."

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Anybody want Varian 620/F Reference Handbook?

by aek＠spies.com

> Is this, in fact, an office of Varian Data Systems? Varian's computer division was sold to Sperry in the mid 70's "Second Source Computers" bought what was left from Sperry in the 80's. I talked to Roger Lee at the company. 714/832-7724 voice, 714/832-3260 fax. rlee(a)sscitech.com. He repairs V-70's for some number of folks -- enough to keep him in business. He says there's even a 620i still running in England -- says the customer told him it only went down for repairs once.

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Grundy Newbrain problems

by lgomez＠cdromsa.es

A few days ago, i was looking for Grundy Newbrain schematics. Now i have it (if somebody need it, please let me know) -Thanks to Voyager- but i can?t solve the problem: When i turn on the computer, the 16 character display flicks for 10 seconds. After this i can see the image in TV or monitor screen: new?brain?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Uppercase are converted to lowercase Spaces are converted to ? Numbers are converter to alphabetical characters (1 to q, 2 to r, 3 to s ....) but in 16 char. display all information is ok. It look like add 32 to ASCII code to display, but it is not so, because ASCII(1)+32=ASCII(Q) Q not q If i move just a little the computer i can see the correct character in screen, but not spaces, it still as ?. It like there is a bad contact in componet board, but i've check all contact and i can't found the fault. Sombody know this problem?? There is not the flat cable conecting diferent boards. Thanks and sorry by my english. Luis

23 years, 7 months

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Apple II Programmer's Aid ROM

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I just read about this in the A2FAQ. Does anyone have this Apple ][ ROM and manual? Rich

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I buy DEC equipment. Call me

by robert＠usce.org

Robert M. Campbell U.S. Computer Exchange, Inc. 386 East Maple Troy, MI 48083 Ph. 248 583-9000 Fx. 248 583-9009 robert(a)usce.org

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Anybody want Varian 620/F Reference Handbook?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Yea, some old NMR machines of theirs have their minis inside them... I think thats why they bought Data Machines in the first place, though that is a conjecture. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

23 years, 7 months

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Anybody want Varian 620/F Reference Handbook?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, since for one, Varian sold that subsidiary to Sperry-Univac in the late 1970s.. Also, the computers were actually made in Billerica, MA.. But the logo of Varian Data Systems was the same as that of Varian Associates, the parent company. Indeed, the logo is still the same. So my money says its a Varian Associates building. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

23 years, 7 months

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Reading old disks on Linux

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Quite a while ago (and maybe more than once) we had a thread on reading/writing 'odd' disk formats. I thought about it again, typed a few words into google, and found this: http://fdutils.linux.lu/Fdutils.html#SEC22 It looks like setfdprm and superformat will do much of what's necessary in working with 'odd' format disks. I haven't played much with it yet, but I've verified it works for setting the density, heads, cyls, and sect/track of the disk to write to. However, it doesn't allow for setting an initial sector number - something that's necessary for some formats. Using the program "fdrawcmd" should overcome any obsticles, but will require more work to be useful. I just thought I'd pass this along in case people would find it useful. -- "This fucking university has shown time and time again that it is completely fucking incompetent when it comes to employing technology" -- Anonymous http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif

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Anybody want Varian 620/F Reference Handbook?

by pat＠transarc.ibm.com

I stopped by at the only used bookstore in downtown Pittsburgh last week. It appears that the place is getting ready to fold, as they've got everything on sale at ridiculously low prices, and there is a big "BUILDING FOR SALE" sign in the front window.... Since they've started liquidating, they've been letting people up on to their second floor, which was always their storage and "we'll never be able to sell this stuff..." area, and was always off-limits to customers in the past. In adventuring around up there, I found two copies of the Varian 620/F Reference Handbook, dated November 1970. This isn't really in my area of interest, but at $1.00/each, I couldn't resist, and I figured that there might be people here who would like them. Both copies are in reasonably good shape, though both have suffered a bit from being stored in a bad environment (this shop's storage floor is open to the sky in a couple of places - probably one reason they never wanted to let customers up there....). One has a small tear in the cover. If you want one of these, it's yours for the cost of shipping. Limit of one per customer. First two responses get 'em. --Pat.

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Looking for Symmetric 375

by jmkatcher＠yahoo.com

It's kind of an odd thing, but does anyone have a Symmetric 375 box that they want to pass to a good home. I remember wanting one badly when they were new and my memory was just jogged by seeing one at VCF. (It's a small 32016 based box running more or less BSD 4.2. Something with personality. Gosh I miss my Symbolics 3620...different of course, but certainly unique.) Many thanks in advance, Jeff Katcher jmkatcher(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

23 years, 7 months

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Swapping boards on ST225 drives / Philips P3800 help

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi, Dusting off my old Diamond system the other day got me thinking about trying to resurrect my Phillips P3800 (some sort of multi-user CP/M platform, early 80's I believe). It's another garage resident that I acquired a few years ago and then never had time to restore. It had been the victim of a basement flood when I got it and was dead as a dodo - plus the hard drive had roasted itself (I believe when the previous owner turned it on when it was still soaking wet, which is always such a very good idea...) I'm going from memory here, but believe that the hard drive is an ST225 - and the main logic board on the base of the unit was pretty well charred. What I did was find an identical model working drive and use its logic board with the frame and platters from the drive in the Phillips unit. Am I wasting my time even trying that? Or, assuming the data is intact on the platters still and survived the flooding, might I get a usuable drive by trying that? Maybe the logic boards are calibrated against some of the mechanical components within the drive for all I know. When I tried this the drive would at least then spin up (using a standard PC power supply for testing), but without fixing the power supply in the Philips and figuring out how to connect something to it (there's a whole pile of cables hanging out the back, to one of which presumably some sort of console connects) I don't yet know if I can actually read any data off it. Unfortunately I have no manuals for the unit, no system disks, no idea of the cabling, a possibly-dead hard drive, and a definitely-dead power supply. I'm also missing a tape drive for it (previous owner wanted to keep that) but hopefully it'll run without it. Never found anyone else who has heard of one of these, let alone owns one. On the plus side, the case is a nice shade of beige ;-) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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For Sale: Diamond D5 Wordprocessor

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> But for those who've never heard > of it, let me provide a few details. thanks there to my sales agent... (ha ha, only kidding :) > The logic circuitry is on a lot of fairly small plug-in cards in a > cardcage inside. CPU, memory, 3 or 4 for the display, ditto for the > floppy controller, and a couple of interface cards for the keyboard and > printer. Or something like that anyway. There are no custom chips in > there that I am aware of. I pulled a few cards the other day when I took that photo of the insides - I was a little out on my dates; earliest copyright date I can see is 1977 and the last manufacturing date on any chip was sometime in 1979. card list sounds about right without wheeling the machine out of storage again, and no I didn't see any custom chips in my machine either. Think there are only two boards for the display, joined both on the backplane and the outer edge. Then CPU, memory, RTC, keyboard, drives x2, printer, and an unknown board (see below) > The printer (at least on mine) is a Hitype II. With that strange 50 pin > interface (separate control lines for selecting a character, deciding how > far to advance the carriage/paper, and so on). curious. Mine's definitely a Diablo unit and plugs into its own card within the cardcage in the system unit. But there's also a seperate card in there (oddly, marked as Diablo!) with a large connector on the outer edge (2 rows of pins, non-staggered) with nothing plugged into it. I have no idea what that's for - that connector looks purposeful though. There's not a huge amount of logic inside this thing so I suppose figuring out a circuit diagram wouldn't be too difficult and maybe then its function would be revealed. oh, and it's a 'proper' machine, in that it has wheels on the bottom ;-) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Micropolis hdd

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >> I can't find it online anymore, but about two years ago I stumbled >> across this fascinating article which discussed the demise of >> Micropolis, presenting it as a case study of business fraud. >> >> My favorite highlight had to do with Micropolis claiming much larger >> inventories of hard drives than they actually had. This was to make the >> company look as if it were more valuable. This excess inventory was >> primarily made up of a special class of hard drive, which in the company >> records were listed as "very hard drives". In reality they were bricks >> that had been boxed in Micropolis packaging. > >Micropolis had their own problems, but I don't think we should accuse >them with out-and-out fraud without researching it a bit further. >The company that shipped bricks was Miniscribe, and one of their >executives was finally convicted when it was discovered that he'd >actually purchased the bricks on his credit card. (Note to self: >when buying materials for an inventory scam, pay cash.) > >I very much doubt that any company records used the phrase "very hard >drives", since that wasn't brought up by the prosecution in the trial. >Sounds more like a clever phrase a reporter came up with. > >> Apparently a few of them were even shipped to customers. > >The true story may never be known, but I don't think any shipped to >customers that weren't aware of the plan. Some customers may have >agreed to help Miniscribe with their inventory problems (as in lack >of), because the customer may have been more interested in the promise >of a real drive delivered later than the company going out of business >sooner. > >One of the surplus stores in the Denver area had a brick in their >display case with their disk drives; the brink had a sign saying >"Miniscribe 40MB". However, it was not an *actual* Miniscribe brick. > >Miniscribe was acquired by Maxtor and was known for a time as "Maxtor >Colorado". > >The only complaint I had with Micropolis was that their drives had a >very high failure rate. Hi At the last company I was at, we never had one ( Micropolis ) complete a 1 week burnin ( at room temp ), until they fiddled with something and the rate dropped to only about 3 out of ten per week. I knew we were making a mistake, at the begining when they said that they would give us free engineering time to help use get their drives to work on our machines. I stated such to management but was ignored. Dwight

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Fw: 4D 220 VGX: free for Shipping or Orlando,FL pickup

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

The older SGI 4D twin towers (professional series) used a SCSI bus that was routed through a connector arrangement up through the smaller drive tower. Unfortunately, I seem to remember that because of the stub length off of these connectors, it violated the SCSI specs pretty badly. My guess is that because the early CPU cards that were fitted in these systems (IP4 and IP4.5) only supported async. scsi, they were more forgiving than a sync. system would be. BTW, I believe that one of the reasons for using ESDI vs. SCSI in these critters was that, at the time, the ESDI drive/controller combo was quite a bit faster than async. SCSI. They intended the SCSI interface for peripheral access only... That said, I did manage to get a SCSI drive working in one, but since I had the ESDI controller and drives, it didn't seem worth it at the time to pursue it further... As far as the twin tower power series, my memory fails me... I don't remember when they began supporting sync. SCSI, but my guess is that it began with the power-series CPU boards. -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:16 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Fw: 4D 220 VGX: free for Shipping or Orlando,FL pickup > > > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Will Jennings wrote: > > > Eh? How are they SCSI? I had one of these once, the drive > in it was most > > definetly a Hitachi ESDI disk... They're such cool looking machines, > > too... > > If the system is a dual tower configuration, it almost always > uses ESDI > drives, but the single tower deskside 'cubes' always have a > SCSI bus in > them. AFAIK, the dual tower was retired around the time of > the 2x0, so I > guess it could indeed use ESDI drives. I have yet to have > seen a 2x0 in a > dual tower, but I suppose they might exist. A photo of the > system itself > would pretty much clear it up. > > The cpu boards in these are actually interchangeable for the > most part, > and the deskside chassis can accept up to two such boards > with up to two > cpus each for a total of 4 processors. The predator rack > chassis support > up to 4 cpu boards for a total of 8 cpus. > > -Toth >

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[OT?] Supra FaxModem

by voyager＠hol.gr

Hi, It may sound a bit offtopic, but it's near the 10yrs margin :-) I have an external 28.8 Supra FAX modem, the one with the 2 digit green LED display. It's never flashed, and contains one of the very early firmware versions. I recall that Supra had an extensive file list (including manuals in PDFs) for downloading at supra's site, then moved to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished. Could anybody help me locate a mirror of these files? I need the flash files to upgrade it up to 33.6 version (needs several consecutive flashes) and the AT command set that supported (the non standard commands). Cheers George

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Varian books claimed, thanks!

by pat＠transarc.ibm.com

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Educational Computer Corporation ?

by Qstieee＠aol.com

This could be right, because clearly "EDUcational COMPuter Corporation" could be shortened to "EduComp". EduComp was in the Hartford, Connecticut area in the mid-70's at least. EduComp morphed into QuoData, and QuoData morphed in Jenzabar. There is still a Quodata.com web site. When I dealt with EduComp they resold DEC 8's and 11's to schools along with some of their own software, plus co-developed ETOS on the 8's

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HPUX 10.20?

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Where can I get HPUX media to install a couple Apollo 700's?

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Available: IBM 3164 terminals

by pat＠purdueriots.com

There's a few IBM 3164 terminals down at Purdue University Salvage and Surplus that are about to be thrown out. If anyone wants one, let me know, and I'll ship them for $5 + packing stuff + shipping. Respond soon, they'll probably be gone in a day or two. Pat -- "The Microsoft/IBM FORTRAN was adequate for teaching FORTRAN 77. But the performance was AMAZING! It could actually take longer to run a benchmark like sieve of Erastothanes with compiled FORTRAN than with interpreted BASIC." -- Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif

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Micropolis hdd

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I see the rest seem to have a similar opinion of this manufactures drives. I got mine from experience. Dwight >From: "Jim Arnott" <jrasite(a)eoni.com> > >High explosives work well too. Shaped charge. > >(Why would *anyone* want to get inside a Micropolis drive? They're best >used as doorstops.) > >Jim > >Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >>>From: "WOFTBO Data Recovery" <woftbo(a)cox.net> >>> >>>I have been searching for information regarding the assembly of a Micropolis >> >> 1991 hard drive. >> >>>What is the best method to disassemble the case to access the latching area? >>> >>>Dave S >> >> >> Hi >> I've found that a hammer and a chisel work >> best with Micropolis drives. But that is just my >> opinion. >> Dwight >> >> >> . >> > > >

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Need SA400 help

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> > >> From: Dwight K. Elvey <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >> One should note that double termination can also cause flaky >> operation as well. I've seen it twice now that I have a machine >> that has a flaky disk and I open it up and see a terminator >> on both drives. > >Would you and Fred please define "flaky?" What symptoms are exhibited by >an improperly terminated drive? Hi This can vary, from not working at all to the occational bad read or bad write of a sector. Some times it shows up as a data dependent problem. The disk formats fine but can't write all 1's or all 0's. In both of my cases, it would occationally damaged data on a write that would show up as a non-recoverable CRC error. Although it is recommended that the termination be on the last drive on the cable. I've never found it an issue when the two end drives cable connectors are only 2 to 3 inches apart. I have been known to put the termination, where ever it is handy, while trouble shooting( such as swapping drive ). I also alway tape the terminator to the drive that I remove it from. I don't know if I or someone in the future will need that terminator. If it is right there, I know it is the right one. Dwight

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Fw: 4D 220 VGX: free for Shipping or Orlando,FL pickup

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Eh? How are they SCSI? I had one of these once, the drive in it was most definetly a Hitachi ESDI disk... They're such cool looking machines, too... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Need SA400 help

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Dwight K. Elvey <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > One should note that double termination can also cause flaky > operation as well. I've seen it twice now that I have a machine > that has a flaky disk and I open it up and see a terminator > on both drives. Would you and Fred please define "flaky?" What symptoms are exhibited by an improperly terminated drive? Thanks -- Glen 0/0

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IBM 5100 (fwd)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

$5,000? Good God, that computer is worth more than the car I drive as my daily transportation... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Swapping boards on ST225 drives / Philips P3800 help

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> > I'm going from memory here, but believe that the hard drive is an ST225 - and > the main logic board on the base of the unit was pretty well charred. What I > did was find an identical model working drive and use its logic board with the > frame and platters from the drive in the Phillips unit. Am I wasting my time > even trying that? Not at all. I've salvaged ST225s before by board-swapping, with good results. Glen 0/0

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Need SA400 help

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > When you get a chance, try to trace out what it's connected to. It bypasses the write-protect switch; when in the "on" position, write-protect is enabled. Glen 0/0

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Need SA400 help

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Glen Goodwin wrote: >> Can anyone help me with settings on this drive? >> Specifically, drive select, termination, and pinouts on the power connector >> (J2) would help. > >Same as the other 5.25" drives. That's why they are called "SA400 >interface". Such as drive selects on pins 10, 12, 14, . . . > >But some newer drives have added SIDE SELECT (for double sided drives), >and "density" for multi-media drives, such as 1.2M. > >Termination is required on the last drive on the cable. Lack of proper >termination can make for flaky operation, but will not generally >prevent it from working. Hi One should note that double termination can also cause flaky operation as well. I've seen it twice now that I have a machine that has a flaky disk and I open it up and see a terminator on both drives. Removing one brings back normal operation. One of the machines was a KayPro and the other was my Olivetti M20. I suspect that these were that way from the beginning since both normally ship as dual drive machines. Dwight > >Power connection isthe same as all other (well, ALMOST all) 5.25" drives. > >The SA400 is a 48TPI, 35 track drive. Most drives that replaced it added >another 5 tracks. > >> Also, the specimen I have has a power switch on the front which appears to >> be factory-installed. Is this common for this drive? The photos I found >> on the 'net don't have a switch . . . > >I've never seen a factory switch on the front of one. Are you sure that >that wasn't a user added switch, such as one to override the write-protect >for flippies? > >-- >Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com >XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com > >

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Origin of "half-inched" - OT

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Honestly, I would've expected you Brits to say "nicked", but yeah.. FYI further synonyms (american) would be jacked, ganked, swiped, etc. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Origin of "half-inched" - OT

by altertech＠blueyonder.co.uk

-----Original Message----- From: "cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org" <cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org> on behalf of "Hans B Pufal" <hansp(a)aconit.org> Sent: 27 October 2002 20:16 To: "cctalk(a)classiccmp.org" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Origin of "half-inched" - OT snip < I recently heard from Bob King that "it was born shortly < after Sir Robert Peel introduced and implemented his idea for a Police < force. The criminal fraternity had never been faced with such a < concerted effort to thwart them, so they developed Cockney Slang, the < idea of which being that, two or more criminals could hold open <conversation, within earshot of a "Peeler," without fear that their <plans were being overheard by the police." Likewise "mug shots". When photography was introduced, criminals would "mug", ie twist their faces, in order to render the photo unrecognisable. Apologies for the lousy formatting. Posting from a web browser with interface poisoning. Rob

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OT Re: Naming Computers (strategy, and WHY)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Once again, I am glad to be an only child! Perhaps you should add "frequently abuse brother with heavy blunt object" to your list? Kidding... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Supply of DEC 11/23 11/73 front panel switches

by jwest＠imail.kwcorp.com

Found at a local surplus dealer... a whole container of those square white pushbutton switches that I am pretty certain are the ones used on the "front panel" of the 11/23 or 11/73 systems. They have the following markings.... ITW 39-23 301 R 39-23100 89 16 I think they had them marked at 0.59 each, if these are the right ones (got it at work actually, haven't had a chance to go home and check they are the right ones) and anyone wants any, let me know. Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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DN4x0

by baytek＠ixir.com

Sorry John but your e-mail was scrambled as shown below. Pls resend it.. Thanks. Birol AYTEK I don't remember... help.. John Allain cctech(a)classiccmp.org Wed Jul 17 21:12:00 2002 a.. Previous message: Bootstrapping a CP/M system to usability :) b.. Next message: Bootstrapping a CP/M system to usability :) c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about a DN4x0 series? The tape drives were probably cypher 880's. The disk drives were probably FSD/SMD. <g>Check with Birol Aytek in Oxnard or Charlie Mengler -- they might know a bit more</g> John A.

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IBM 5150 brings $910 on EBAY

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I don't think I'd ever pay anything for a PC (5150 variety)... Only PCs that interest me are the 3270 PC, and the XT/370... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Paging Fred N. Van Kempen

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Jay, Try replying to this address... _should_ work... --f > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:00 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Paging Fred N. Van Kempen > > > Fred; > > I still have your package of 1/2 mag tape markers to send > you, but I need > your mailing address. I have tried several times to contact > you via email > but no response... please advise. > > Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <Fred.van.Kempen(a)microwalt.nl> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:51 PM > Subject: RE: I buy DEC equipment. Call me > > > > All, > > > > >>> Piss off... > > >> Wait, I thought ads were allowed? > > > Actually, there doesn't seem to be an answer. > > My beef is with HOW it's done, not THAT it's done. People can > > plug their services and/or goods here, if they are polite about > > it. This guy.... (grumbl) wasn't. > > > > --fred > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >

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I buy DEC equipment. Call me

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, >>> Piss off... >> Wait, I thought ads were allowed? > Actually, there doesn't seem to be an answer. My beef is with HOW it's done, not THAT it's done. People can plug their services and/or goods here, if they are polite about it. This guy.... (grumbl) wasn't. --fred

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Need help with DSSI/SCSI and an ext CD-ROM

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Curt, > On the 4000-200 on the far left side of the QBus slots is > a slot with 2 connectors, one appears to be a standard > SCSI-1 connector and the other is an inverse SCSI-2 connector > (labels Bus 0) with a terminator on it that lights up on power > up. The first one indeed is a SCSI connector. The second one is the DSSI bus connector, connected to bus #0. It should be terminated (with the lighted term) unless you have an external storage cab, which then in turn has the term. The SCSI connector, however, is NOT usable for what you're doing. The BA440 box (which is what your cab sounds like) has provisions for changing its internal (DSSI) bus into a SCSI bus, for example to be used with the KFQSA controller. That way, you can use SCSI devices with the VAX by mounting them in the old DSSI rails. The VAX does _NOT_ have a SCSI controller by default; unless you have something like a KFQSA, Dilog or Emulex SCSI-to-Qbus controller, you can NOT use the RRD43. Sorry to be the bringer of Bad Newz (tm).. Cheers, Fred

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IBM 5150 brings $910 on EBAY

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but if you can find the ones with the cassette port easily, then I hate you. I've only ever found one, and the case was in poor shape.. I pitched the case, but the mobo is sitting next to me... HAH! Mine is more R@RE! LQQK! 37ï†3! than the Ebay one, cause I have an 8087 marked "IBM".. Which, I must say, is something I haven't ever seen before... And no, I'm not claiming that is indeed rare, beats me, I just thought it was nifty... If I had kept all the PC stuff I had, I could likely have made more than that auction, since I had the complete technical references and troubleshooting diskettes and pretty much every genuine IBM option you could want.. I have a CMI IBM HDD, and an ST-506 IBM HDD, numerous IBM floppies, never have found the p-System, however.. But hell, I had genuine IBM loopback plugs.. lol.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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DECstation-3000/400 Questions

by bob＠jfcl.com

I picked up a DECstation-3000/400 (aka PE40A) at the flea market recently. It powers up OK (the power light comes on, the fans run, and checking the voltages on the power supply connector gives reasonable results) and all eight LEDs on the back panel turn on, but after that nothing. There's no video that I can find from the PMAGD card; there's no RS232 output on the console/printer port; changing S3 has no effect on either of these results, and the eight LEDs never change (always a bad sign!). I tried removing all the SCSI devices and all the Turbo channel cards (including the PMAG) just in case one of them was hanging it up, but it made no difference. Now there's nothing in there except the power supply, the mother board, and eight SIMMs on four riser cards. Same results. I have lots of VAXes, but this is my first Alpha machine and there might be something I don't know. Am I doing something stupid, or is it just dead? BTW, I only paid $1 for it, so I won't feel bad no matter what :-) Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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cp/m favorite?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Mark Tapley said: > As usual, my favorite is the DEC Rainbow. Z-80 for CP/M, 8088 for CP/M > 86-80, both available via anonymous update from ftp.update.uu.se, and you > can even run (early) MS-DOS, I gave up on teh Rainbow because it was not good enough as either a CP/M or MS-DOS box. The IOBYTE didn't work from the Z80, for instance. I kept running across MS-DOS software that needed PC compatibility. The COMMAND LINE version of Turbo C V1.2 made ROM BIOS calls. I had to trade with a friend who had purchased 1.0. My favorite was the DECmate II with the APU card. The IOBYTE worked, it's the only machine I've used with an intelligent hard disk partitioning scheme [1], and the terminal emulation was much faster than either the Rainbow or the PRO 350. [1] There was a simple filesystem managed by the 8051 that ran the hard disk. Creating a partition involved telling the 8051 to create the file. Mounting a partition involved telling the 8051 to open a file and associated it with a given drive number. -- Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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IBM 5100 (fwd)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well hell, I need like 18 5100s then... If I got $1200 apeice for em I could pay off all my debts and likely have money to spare! Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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vax 7610 needs home, cambridge massachusetts

by akb+lists.cctech＠imap1.mirror.to

Hi-- A friend has just told me that there is a VAX 7000-610 system in cambridge mass looking for a home. The system is to be disposed of in the next week or so. It's currently at a ground level loading dock. It's a 3 cabinet system, storage peripherals include a pair of ra92's, a tz857 stacker, a 9-track, and (I believe) 3 ba-350 shelves. I have warehouse space in the area and could be convinced to temporarily hold the system for pickup. I'll read both this address and the list for any interest... I have also written to the Rhode Island Retro-Computing Society, other places to post to welcomed... (any appropriate usenet groups?) --akb

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sharp

by konieczny＠intranet.ca

Hi Mike, I noticed on a Q&A board, you mentioned you have a sharp PC-1421 handheld computer. I'm interested in possibly using it to help control the stepping motors in a small robot, but I need the pinout for the 11-pin connector, and the memory location that controls them,.. Do you know where I can find that info? Thanks, Jeff

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I buy DEC equipment. Call me

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

I'm known to sometimes revert to (censored) abusing annoying people trying to irritate the shits out of people by sending ads to discussion lists like these. In other words... piss off. (sorry folks... thas been a long day here.. BUT: I have LAT Server working under both OpenBSD _and_ Ultrix ! ;-) --fred -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Campbell [mailto:robert@usce.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:42 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: I buy DEC equipment. Call me Robert M. Campbell U.S. Computer Exchange, Inc. 386 East Maple Troy, MI 48083 Ph. 248 583-9000 Fx. 248 583-9009 robert(a)usce.org

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Fw: 4D 220 VGX: free for Shipping or Orlando,FL pickup

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Trenton Tuggle" <Trent(a)Tuggle.Org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,comp.sys.sgi.har dware Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: 4D 220 VGX: free for Shipping or Orlando,FL pickup > For free pickup (or cost of shipping and time/materials/trouble > involved, if you can figure out how to ship this beast) from Orlando, FL. > > I have an IRIS 4D 220 VGX deskside system which used to boot fine. > Haven't run it in several years, so I don't have the hinv on it, but it > has VGX graphics, 64MB ram, 2 ESDI HD's (unknown but presumably small > size) and one 9GB scsi drive which has not actually been set up for it. > Also has the QIC serpentine tape drive. > > Condition is pretty good, a few scratches here and there. The monitor > (I might have several I have to check) is alright, shows a little age. > Keyboard is good, but you might want to find another mouse. With this > mouse, I'm not sure whether or not it's the pad or the mouse, but the > horizontal direction doesn't work very well: you have to really press it > down hard on the optical pad to make it move horizontally. > > Two CPUs, not sure which rev. I believe IRIX 5.3 is installed, I might > be able to find some installation media, but not sure. > > Obviously the Power Series deskside systems are quite beastly, shipping > would probably be a fortune on it, but if you want, I can look into it. > I don't have a crate or anything, though. (they originally were > shipped in nice reusable wood crates, but alas, mine doesn't have it > anymore.) > > Please contact me *via email* with offers (offers to come pick it up!) > > -Trenton Tuggle >

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good book on Pascal

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > ---snip--- > >> Of course, it isn't on a x86 machine so there may be >> differences. > >? >what version are you talking about? Hi Fred I'm not sure if this will help much because it was obviously cross compiled to run on a Z8000. Here is what prints out: Olivetti M20 Professional Computer Pascal Compiler Version 1.2 There is a file listing some of the library references that mentions that it is MS-Pascal. There is a librarian called mlib.cmd. You know, I'd only ask about weird things. > > >> I am mostly interested in the kind of things >> one would normally find in the object library that one >> would use with this compiler. They mention that it is >> a shared library with MS-FORTRAN. Information on FORTRAN >> libraries might also be useful. >> Thanks >> Dwight > >The Microsoft/IBM FORTRAN was adequate for teaching FORTRAN 77. But the >performance was AMAZING! It could actually take longer to run a benchmark >like sieve of Erastothanes with compiled FORTRAN than with interpreted >BASIC. I fear this may be similar. It takes 3 disk of code, just to run the Pascal compiler ( 280K disk ). If this is any indication, I'd suspect the final code isn't all that swift. I just want to play with it a little. Dwight > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com > >

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NewBrain

by lgomez＠cdromsa.es

I'm looking for techbical information abou Grundy Newbrain computer. I need solve a little problem in my computer.

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modem help

by carlos_murillo＠epm.net.co

At 03:49 PM 10/24/02 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, no wrote: >> I have a couple of (almost classic) external modems missing >> the wall warts. Anyone on list running either of these that >> can provide the dc voltage/current requirements? Thanks. >> Sportster 33.6 faxmodem >> Motorola ModemSurfer 33.6 >Dont know specifically about those (Though I did have the Motorala >one years ago) but _many_ newwer modems run on 9 VAC adapters... That sportster needs 9VAC. Older sportsters need 12VAC. I don't know about the Motorola. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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