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Honeywell/Bull D120 cartridge drive infor wanted.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

If anyone on the list has a user-, or even better, a maintenance manual for a Bull D120 cartridge drive I would like to hear from them. ( a 10Mb cartridge drive ca. 1980 ) Spare parts, empty cartridges or a complete replacement part would be more than welcome. They will form the basis for a new attempt to bring my ETH Lilith back to live..... Jos Dreesen

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S-100 docs for sale . . .

by MTPro＠aol.com

Hello, I hope no one minds if I post this list of a few important documents that I think will interest the group, I don't think eBay is the best venue for them, and I'd rather someone from the group get first shot. Please just respond back to me directly. Below, just $5 each plus shipping: - Netronics 64K S100 Memory Board "JAWS" - approximately 20 pages stapled with assembly instructions and lots of schematics - no date, maybe 1978ish? - Solid State Music 2P + 2S I/O Board - approximately 20 pages stapled with assembly instructions, function check, setup and schematics - 1977. - Dutronics 8KLST/4KLST Memory Board - approximately 7 pages stapled with assembly instructions and schematic - no date, maybe 1976ish? - Dynabyte 32K Memory Board - approximately 12 pages stapled with nice heavy paper covers, professional inside. Includes general and operating instructions, memory test program and excellent schematics - 1978. - Canada Systems CL2400 Real Time Clock - Two manuals; one approximately 12 pages (Assembly Manual - assembly instructions and checkout) stapled with nice heavy paper cover, and one approximately 6 pages (Appendix - parts list, schematics) stapled with nice heavy paper cover - 1977. - Artec Electronics 32K-100 Memory Board - approximately 16 pages stapled with assembly instructions, parts list, theory of operation and lots of schematics - 1977. Below, just $10 each plus shipping: - Zapple 8K BASIC User's Manual by Technical Design Labs - approximately 25 pages with plastic ring, notebook style binding and heavy paper covers - 1976. - GraphicAdd Board manual for the VDM and SOL, KEA Micro Design - approximately 30 pages with nice heavy paper covers, includes assembly instructions, theory of operations, software package listings (Life animation!) and schematic, some underlining and writing with some tape on covers - 1977. - Cromemco 8K Bytesaver Instruction Manual - approximately 14 pages with very nice heavy paper covers, stapled at spine. Includes assembly instructions, parts list, Bytemover software, PROM data and excellent schematic - 1976. Below, just $15 plus shipping: - Cromemco DazzleWriter Software - approximately 15 pages stapled with memory requirements, paper tape loading instructions and assembly and octal listings - no date, maybe 1976ish? Thank you, David Greelish

23 years, 6 months

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MicroVAX II

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 24, 10:14, Dave Woodman wrote: > Let's try to keep this in accordance with real physical laws:- the > current flowing in the wires will be inversely proportional to the > resistance since the potential difference across them is the same. So far, so good... > The physical principle > that causes the problem is that the power dissipated is proportional to the *square* of the current. In case of any doubters - > > > Ohms Law: > I = V/R > > => V=IR > > Power dissipated: > P = IV > > => P = I(IR) > > So, for example, if one cable/connector pair had twice the resistance of > another, the second would dissipate four times as much power as the > first. Er, no. The current will NOT be the same in each case. If you're going to use mathematical equations to argue, use the right ones :-) Power dissipated (assuming steady-state DC): P = IV and I = V/R => P = V^2/R So if one cable/connector pair has twice the resistance of the other, the second will dissipate twice, not four times, the power (since V is the same for both). But even that analysis is over-simplified. The PSU provides a fixed voltage (assuming it's running within expected limits). Part of that voltage is dropped over the intended load, and part over the cables/connectors. If the resistance of the cables or connectors goes up (which is what happened) then the proportion dropped by the cable/connector combination also rises (and the resistance also goes up slightly as the temperature rises). This makes the situation slighly worse than my maths above suggests, but not as bad as Dave suggested. > If, as other posters have indicated, the bulk of the resistance is in > the connector then the heating effect will be quite localised, and the > home cooking lessons are on. That's still true, of course, but the difference isn't as extreme as you implied. In the cable looms that failed, it was the cables' insulation that melted, but mostly near the connectors, and typically on all the 5V cables, not just the longer ones. I remember some discussions in DECUSERVE NOTES about it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Gorilla Banana printer

by dlormand＠aztec.asu.edu

Does anybody want one? This is a 300baud serial interface unit. I've tried it and it works. Slow and noisy, square pixels and all. In the off-chance that somebody wants this, it's yours for the shipping >from Tucson, 85711.

23 years, 6 months

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OT Bush and Canada

by lgwalker＠mts.net

As a Canadian, I must explain to our US neighbors that the press misunderstood the Canadian official at the Prague meetings who was reported as saying "What a moron" in reference to George Dubya. In some circles up here there is a slang phrase of approval meaning "more on top of it", hipper. I'm sure that's what he meant. And of course Dick Cheyny is also a veritable moron, (in Can. slang terms , of course). Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

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MicroVAX II

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>No. The wires are connected in parallel. They have different lengths and thus different resistance >- the longer the higher. "Current allways uses the way of lowest resistance." So the shortest wire >has to carry a higher current than the other wires. The wire can carry this higher current, but the >connector can't. So the _connector_ heats up and "the magic blue smoke escapes"... >Solution was to use equal length wires (=equal current distribution among wires/connectors) and >better connectors that can carry higher current. I'll try to stop that late night thinking - it never works :-) Antonio

23 years, 6 months

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Gorilla Banana printer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/23/2002 5:13:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlormand(a)aztec.asu.edu writes: << Does anybody want one? This is a 300baud serial interface unit. I've tried it and it works. Slow and noisy, square pixels and all. In the off-chance that somebody wants this, it's yours for the shipping from Tucson, 85711. >> Don't want it, but I remember that being hyped up in the old DAK catalogs. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 6 months

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MicroVAX II

by rmurphy＠itm-inst.com

At 04:20 PM 11/23/02 -0800, Antonio Carlini wrote: > >only the power harness. And assuming one couldn't find a replacement >power harness for the bad > >one, what would it take to modify/repair the bad one to make it safe to >use? Is it just the matter >of replacing some of the existing wire with >something of a heavier gauge? > >I believe the problem is that the wires are of differing lengths >and hence resistance. Plus they were (or may have been) specced >a tad to near the limit. The end result was that the longest wire >(greatest resistance) heated up the most and eventually went phut, >leaving the other five (or so) to go pop shortly thereafter. My experience - having seen several badly melted connectors - was that the clips on the ends of the orange cable sets don't make adequate contact with the pins on the backplane and power supply. They heat up to the point where the connector shell begins to melt, which begins to oxidize the pins, making more heat due to the additional resistance. This is not due to different lengths - all the wires in the orange cable harness are the same lengths. You can recognize the updated wire harness because it consists of two white blocks on either end of the assembly; the wires are different colors. >So heavier gauge and same length would seem to be required. Nope, it's not the wire that's the problem - it's the connector's bearing area. >OTOH if the problem was that bad (none of mine in the lab ever exhibited >any pyrotechnic tendencies) would it not have corrected itself by now >:-) That depends on how much load you put on the cables. Lightly loaded systems won't ever have a problem. -Rick

23 years, 6 months

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Electric Pencil WP ... for the IBM PC!

by r.stek＠snet.net

Fred - the PC version was published in '83. I tracked down one of the authors - Dale Buscaine - and he still has the manual, but has misplaced the disk! I found one reference that Harv Pennington passed away in the early '90's. Also found one employee of IJG who lost his personal TRS-80's when the company folded and its doors were locked. There is a Michael Shrayer who lives outside of LA, but I haven'r been able to find an email address for him. Isn't there anyone out there with a copy?! Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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MicroVAX II

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 06:23 PM 11/23/02 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone know what the official DEC conclusion was? Sounds like the same problem the the Dec-Rainbow had with it's power supply, and they had a replacement cable that had thicker wire and better IDC contacts, but I always went and bought solder type connectors of the right spacing and appropriate color wire and made my own. the powersupply and mainboard in the rainbow had the same spacing as video game harnesses of the same period....

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MicroVAX II

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> >Also, what is the story on the FCO on the power harnesses for the > backplane? The two harnesses in > >my BA123 are made of a gray ribbon cable pressed into orange > connectors. > > I *thought* it was the early BA23 power harness that > had the issue, not the BA123. A bit of googling through > newsgroups (comp.sys.dec or comp.os.vms) should nail > that down somewhat. Yes, with the BA23 there were serious risks of fire and fun like that with the _OLD_ power harness. You can recognize those by the color: the power wires are WHITE with colored plugs. The NEW ones have COLORED wires with a WHITE plug. If you have a BA23 with WHITE power wires... burn it! --fred

23 years, 6 months

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OT: hard drive making weird noises

by vcf＠siconic.com

Ok, I've googled but have not turned anything up, so I turn to the experts on the list. I have a 60GB IBM hard drive (can't get at the model number and don't want to power down to do so right now). Every once in a while I hear it make the most disconcerting noise. It sounds like a <chirp> followed by a <ka-clunk> followed by another <chirp> and then another <ka-klunk>, all in the span of no more than 2 seconds. It sounds as if its skipping a heartbeat or something. What the hell is going on and how do I defibrilate it? I had a similar problem long ago with another brand of hard drive (Maxtor maybe?) and it required some sort of firmware upgrade that fixed it. I checked into this problem a while ago but did not find anything on IBMs site or through Google. I do NOT need another hard drive crash right now :( -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Looking for a DEC VT440 repair manual or schematic set.

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>I am looking for engineering drawings and/or maintenance manual for a DEC VT440 terminal. A copy or >scan would be fine. www.vt100.net has the VT420 Pocket Service Guide online. I've never seen the schematics available anywhere. Antonio

23 years, 6 months

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OT Bush and Canada

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> ... many of us are still capable of rational thought. I love that line, coming in the middle of such a rant. Yeah yeah, poor taste to respond to my own post, but when I'm not pissed off over the roving checkpoints and assault on civil liberties, I gotta laugh at myself. --S.

23 years, 6 months

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Lawsuit over the use of Microsoft's "Word"?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Looking in the 1991 version of the Word for Windows (TM) User's Guide, "Word" is not listed on the page opposite the Table of Contents as trademarked. In the text, "Word" is capitalized, but not trademarked, as are "Windows (TM)" or "Microsoft (R)". -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Sharp [mailto:jss@subatomix.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:17 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Lawsuit over the use of Microsoft's "Word"? On Thursday, November 21, 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: > Has there ever been a lawsuit over Microsoft's trademark of the word > "Word" for its word processor that anyone knows of? I don't think they claim 'Word' as a trademark. Neither their web site, the Word XP splash screen, nor the Word XP About dialog have a 'TM' or '(R)' mark around 'Word', yet all three of these things do claim 'Microsoft' with a '(R)'. -- Jeffrey Sharp

23 years, 6 months

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CMD Technology Unibus SCSI card

by jpl15＠panix.com

I have managed to latch on to one of the above cards... the sticker on one chip says its a Model CDU-720/TM (sn 2127 BOYA8) and two ROMS have F720Y1A8 and 2A8 respectively. Board copyright is 1989 (in copper) and the silkscreening says 1991 - most of the chips are from '91. It is single-ended only; the differential section is not populated. I have yet to do any Googling, but if anyone has anything on this... I know a nice friendly 11/44 system (sitting to my immediate left) that would dearly love to be able to read CDROMS, SCSI disks, etc.... Cheers John

23 years, 6 months

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Index register pop quiz

by vcf＠siconic.com

Wasn't there a discussion about index registers here a few weeks back? My friend Ray Borrill must have been looking over our shoulders because he put together this pop quiz: Q: 1. Who invented the Index Register and about when? 3. What was it originally called? 4. What computer first used one? A: 1. The British invented in in about 1957 or 58. 2. It was originally called the "B-Box" for "Bias Box". 3. I believe it was first used in the Ferranti Atlas computer. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 6 months

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That New Mexico 11/750

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

I was looking through the archives and saw someone in New Mexico was bringing a 11/750 back up. Did he ever mention where it came from? I went to university at New Mexico Tech in Socorro and used an 11/750 there (and that is why I picked up my 11/750). Just wondering if his machine was nmtvax. alan P.S. Anyone know if the machine that was ucbvax is still around. I think it was 94 when it was converted to running the card key system for the Berkeley police department or something similar. I got the "RIP ucbvax" announcement somewhere around here.

23 years, 6 months

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Bringing an 11/750 power supply back to life

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

Someone else provided me with a PDF version of the H7104 Power System TD. I can send it to whoever wants to make it available. I was supposed to send the guy some of my extra manual for him to scan a couple years ago, but I got busy with work and forgot and haven't been able to contact the guy since. alan ---Original Message--- From: cctech(a)classiccmp.org To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:26:39 -0800 Subject: RE: Bringing an 11/750 power supply back to life >Before I got my VAX, it went down because the power supply went out. I have the print set and the >'Technical Description' document for the power supply and I am fairly comfortable dealing with this >stuff, but I am not an expert. The print sets are already on the web but is there any chance of scanning the PSU TD? Yours is the 3rd or 4th VAX-11/750 with potential PSU issues mentioned here in the last year or so. >If I attempt to repair the power supply myself, is there anything that I should avoid doing so I >don't kill myself? Keep away from the machine and you'll be safe :-) Seriously, think about each step you are taking, don't do anything unless you think you know what you are doing and why, keep one hand in a pocket or behind your back, and (most important I guess) make sure there is someone nearby who knows what you are up to and what to do if they find you writhing on the ground. If you post more details about the symptoms (which, if any, lights come on, what readings you have already taken etc) I expect you'll find this list full of useful advice. Antonio

23 years, 6 months

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Classic != IBM AT

by farakhjamil＠hotmail.com

Hi, someone named John is interested in an AT&T Safari laptop. I happen to have one. E-mail me at farakhjamil(a)hotmail.com if you are interested. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 11/20/02

23 years, 6 months

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early pc with lcd screen

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi folks: I am curious about early PCs with lcd screens. Something from the early dos days, in a flip-up or clamshell design. Anyone have any favorites? gil ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

23 years, 6 months

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IBM Microchannel SVGA card

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've got an MCA SVGA-NI Display Adaptor/A sitting here that I'd like to find display drivers for some OS. Does anyone know where I can find some? I've found the ADF files, but no drivers for any version of Winderz, or OS/2 (or XFree86 on linux, but I'm doubtful I'll find anything to work there). It's FRU number is 71G4877. Pat -- Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

23 years, 6 months

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Old computers

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

*snip* > Here's the reason: some time ago a museum allegedly building in >Colorado approached me about taking away some old machines I have... I >promised them, but nothing every came of it and the storage bills are >killing me now that I am retired. *snip* I just want to take the time to make it clear that I am NOT, repeat, NOT the person in Colorado with the museum building that he is speaking of... I'd be willing to be that I know the person who doesn't have their act together who is, though... Will J (including prior text to appease Sellam) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 6 months

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Electric Pencil WP ... for the IBM PC!

by r.stek＠snet.net

I just picked up a manual for Michael Shrayer's Electric Pencil - the first WP I had on my Sol-20. But this manual is for the IBM PC version! I don't recall reading about this at all. Has anyone else come across this, and does anyone actually have a copy of the program? I'd love to be able to run it. (forgive me if I seem lax in responding to any replies - I get the digest version and and am "time-shifted" usually by several days) Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

23 years, 6 months

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OT: WebTV keyboard

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Does anyone have information on this keyboard? It seems like the RCA >model is being dumped by Circuit City, but It doesn't appear MS is >closing down the service... Any hardware info on the keyboard would >be appreciated! I have one of these... came from a Sony branded WebTV unit I got at a garage sale. I use the keyboard with my DishNetwork satallite decoder (their Dish Player 7000 model... their original PVR model... it has a webTV unit built in along with the ability to pause and record TV... and no, I don't use the webTV features... I wanted the keyboard to make my life easier in spelling out TV shows I was searching for, so when I saw a webTV for sale for $5 I grabbed it). Since I think my decoder is made by JVC, that should tell you that at least all the webTV keyboards are cross compatible and not manufacturer or model specific. Beyond that tiny tidbit of info, I can't help much more until monday. I don't have a little screwdriver at home right now that can open it up to see if there is any better info inside. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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Problem with Nat Semi ICM-3216

by classiccmp＠crash.com

I recently picked up a couple of ICM-3216s and am hoping the following might make sense to someone more familiar with them. There are two systems comprised of a CPU board, one 4MB memory board, and an ICM-SIO-M-08 board with its own 32016, 32201, and four 2681 DUARTs for 8 serial ports. The SIO board in front of me is a 980600014-001 Rev D (the 001 and D are hand written) The EPROMs in U5 and U6 show Rev B on their labels, and I can give the full P/N if it will help. When retired from service several-many years ago, these machines were timesharing hosts and used all these serial ports. Now when I try to power up either system with the SIO board in the stack, the system won't initialize. If I remove the SIO from the stack the system will initialize and I can boot Unix on one box, or talk to the monitor on the other (disk won't spin). Does this make sense to anyone familiar with these systems? I suspect someone else has seen this, given the way it's impacting both systems... I suppose I'll start checking out the third box, which lacks an SIO, and see what it does with it. Thanks for any thoughts, or even unrelated reminisences about the ICMs or the 32k in general. --Steve. Steve Jones spamfree.crash.com!smj Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (any spambots parse bang paths?) +1 781 xxx yyyy "Chaos will ensue if the variable i is altered..." - SysV Programmers Guide

23 years, 6 months

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OT: WebTV keyboard

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

As most of you don't know, I work for Cirrus Logic, developing channels and controllers for DVD drives. I am currently working on some test software to run on a DVD player (developed by a group in Fremont and Fort Wayne), and I want to hook a keyboard to it. After much pondering, it seems the IR interface might be configured to talk to an IR keyboard, and the only 'standard' keyboard seems to be the WebTV keyboard. Does anyone have information on this keyboard? It seems like the RCA model is being dumped by Circuit City, but It doesn't appear MS is closing down the service... Any hardware info on the keyboard would be appreciated! Thanks, Clint

23 years, 6 months

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Bringing an 11/750 power supply back to life

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

Before I got my VAX, it went down because the power supply went out. I have the print set and the 'Technical Description' document for the power supply and I am fairly comfortable dealing with this stuff, but I am not an expert. If I attempt to repair the power supply myself, is there anything that I should avoid doing so I don't kill myself? alan

23 years, 6 months

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Newbie enquiries

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

Hi All, I found some old computer book during our spring clean (I'm in the southern hemisphere) and I got all nostalgic for the first computer I ever programmed a PDP-11/0?. The reason for the question mark is I cannot definitely remember if it was an 03, 04, or 05. So I was hoping I might fire off a bit of my remembered details, and someone here could help me definitively identify the machine. I have done some web searching and I have not been able to sort it out yet. The system comprised a CPU and dual 8" floppy in a half height rack, on top of which sat a marked sense card reader, and in the corner was a DEC line printer. My memory of the CPU front panel is that it looks somewhat like an 11/34 picture I found in the user manual PDF with the programmers console. But I definitely remember it as an "slash zero" something model, so I believe that it was an 04. However the only picture of an 04 I have found to date has a rather basic looking programmers panel, by basic I mean as it is simple white text on black panel and buttons. I seem to remember the octal keypad had a border drawn on the pane and was a little bit smarter looking, maybe there were updated cosmetic version of the panel. The system booted straight to a local derivative of FORTRAN (MONECS FORTRAN), so we were insulated from the hardware and I therefore have no memory or interface card details. Any help in IDing the machine would be greatly appreciated. Now this leads me to the second reason for this message. I would like to collect a sample of the machine in question, but I am unsure of how to proceed. What are your tried and tested ways of locating such antique hardware? Also I saw an ebay auction for two RK05 disk packs today. Would these be usable with an 11/0? system? And if so what would be a reasonable price to pay? I have lurked on the list for a few weeks now, and think that I shall stick around and get into the classic computer collecting myself (time and wife permitting). OH BTW, I contacted Charles L. regarding his Zilog 8000 system (the Z8000 being another chip I found interesting when it came out). He is unsure if he actually wants to part with the machine at the present time. That might just be my first dead end lead in this new hobby of mine. Thanks in advance, David Kane

23 years, 6 months

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Classic computer exhibition, Grenoble France

by hansp＠aconit.org

Today I spent the day setting up our little 100 square meter exhibition tracing 50 years of computing in Grenoble, France. For anyone in the area from tomorrow til December 2 the exhibition will be open from 10:00 till 18:30 each day except Tuesday at the Grenoble Museum, Place Lavalette (Tram B , Notre Dame stop) Among the classic machine on exhibit are a Bull Gamma 3, the panel from an IBM 360/67, a (working) 1130, a (working) PDP-8/m, a Telemechanique 1600, a Micral N, a Thomson MO5, a Goupil 2. Hopefully we can get pictures on the web over the next week for those unable to attend. -- hbp

23 years, 6 months

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IBM Microchannel SVGA card

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/22/2002 2:04:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, pat(a)purdueriots.com writes: << I've got an MCA SVGA-NI Display Adaptor/A sitting here that I'd like to find display drivers for some OS. Does anyone know where I can find some? I've found the ADF files, but no drivers for any version of Winderz, or OS/2 (or XFree86 on linux, but I'm doubtful I'll find anything to work there). It's FRU number is 71G4877. >> That's a plain old server display card, most likely from a 9595 type. Best you can get is VGA in OS/2. Fairly useless, get XGA-2 instead. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 6 months

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Zilog System 8000 Model 31 available in Australia

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm, I have an NMOS PACE.. does that count as odd? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 6 months

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Zilog System 8000 Model 31 available in Australia

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hah, I wish I had much info on it.. I pulled it from, of all things, an old automotive test system... I think the part number is INS8900.. that sounds right... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 6 months

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fall cleaning

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Been doing my annual cleanout, need to find new homes for these items. Preference to local pickup (Houston), will consider shipping remaining items (u pay ship). Thanks. -nick free stuff: -IBM RS6000-C10, working -MAC Performa 450, working -DEQNA (M7504) w/cabkit, qbus ethernet -KDA50 (M7164, M7165), qbus sdi disk control -Cabletron m800 multiport xcvr docs: -MSV11-M (m7506) User Guide -DEC LA36 engineering drawings -(DEC)Documation M200 card reader tech manual -IBM 29 Card Punch Reference manual -HP 1615 Logic Analyzer service manual -DF03 modem user guide -DR11-B/DA11-B manual -DSD 4120 user guide -UDA50 user guide -UDA50 tech summary -VT330/340 prog ref (Vol 1 & Vol 2) For Sale: VS4000/model 60 & matching SZ16c storage expansion .. $30 +manual +lk401 +mouse(puck) +cables

23 years, 6 months

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Recent VAX Adventures (Long)

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Eric? Did you get my prev. message? -f

23 years, 6 months

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Mac Haul (& ImageWriters II's available)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Mac Haul (& ImageWriters II's available) I found out yesterday morning just how many Macs will fit in my car. Here's the list: Performa 6116CD - 1 Performa 400 - 1 LC475 - 15 LC II - 1 LC - 1 IIsi - 1 IIe - 1 with 2 Disk II's and a couple of separate spares. SE - 3 Monitors - 14" Color Display - 9, plus one other with the odd connector for the 6116 ImageWriter II - 5 So what's that? Two dozen machines, 10 monitors, and five printers. No wonder my car was riding low. Most of the above was delivered to a private church school last night. I have a friend whose daughter attends the school, and he maintains their machines in his spare time. In fact, I doubt the school would have many computers if it were not for his efforts. So I try to help out some. All of these came from a local Intel reseller. He has no interest in Macs and I knew that he had just gotten in several pallets of hardware that included the above machines. So my friend got the school to approve $50 for me to get as much hardware as I could. I went in and made a deal for what I could and talked the reseller into donating the rest with a promise of a letter from the school to cover the donation. In essence, all the machines you can cram in one car for $50. There was a gotcha in this of course. I had to take the ImageWriters. As we were unloading, I gave my friend the option of refusing them. He did. So I have 5 ImageWriter II's, one is missing a cover. I would like to get rid of these, so I will make these available to the list. However, I don't have time right now to either store them or mess with shipping. So if you want these, they are available for PICKUP ONLY just south of Terre Haute, Indiana, USA. The business next to me allows me to fill their unused dumpster space on Wednesday night just prior to Thursday's pick up. If you want these they will have to be out of here by next Wednesday, 11/27/02. Mike Thompson

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Bringing an 11/750 power supply back to life

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Before I got my VAX, it went down because the power supply went out. I have the print set and the >'Technical Description' document for the power supply and I am fairly comfortable dealing with this >stuff, but I am not an expert. The print sets are already on the web but is there any chance of scanning the PSU TD? Yours is the 3rd or 4th VAX-11/750 with potential PSU issues mentioned here in the last year or so. >If I attempt to repair the power supply myself, is there anything that I should avoid doing so I >don't kill myself? Keep away from the machine and you'll be safe :-) Seriously, think about each step you are taking, don't do anything unless you think you know what you are doing and why, keep one hand in a pocket or behind your back, and (most important I guess) make sure there is someone nearby who knows what you are up to and what to do if they find you writhing on the ground. If you post more details about the symptoms (which, if any, lights come on, what readings you have already taken etc) I expect you'll find this list full of useful advice. Antonio

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Lawsuit over the use of Microsoft's "Word"?

by foo＠siconic.com

Has there ever been a lawsuit over Microsoft's trademark of the word "Word" for its word processor that anyone knows of? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Osborne 1 single-density/double-density questions

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi Don: Yes! Using the " key for drive-B boot on the Osborne worked. And this double-density unit booted with my single-density software. That's the first the machine has booted cp/m. When I try to access drive A, it sounds like the stepper is constantly driving the head against a stop. I'll need to check the drive out. It didn't want to format a disk properly though. Does this mean that a proper double-density version of cp/m is needed? I need to get a pc together to run this 22DISK I've been hearing about. thanks, gil At 12:29 PM 11/21/02 -0800, you wrote: > > >On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, gil smith wrote: > >The difference between the SD and DD machines is a small daughter card >that fits between the floppy drive header on the motherboard and the >ribboncable to the drives. The drives themselves are the same for both >SD and DD. > >You can try to boot from your B drive by depressing right shift and the >'/" keys. Depressing Return/Enter will return to A boot. > > - don ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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OT Bush and Canada

by wmsmith＠earthlink.net

> > the press misunderstood the Canadian official... > > saying "What a moron" in reference to George Dubya. > > > In some circles up here there is a slang phrase of approval > > meaning "more on top of it", hipper. I'm sure that's what he > > meant. > > Unclear. > Is the Canadian Official saying that He himself is a moron, > so that George Bush is hip by association? Explain. > > John A. > I think he's saying that instead of "moron" the official may have said "more on", as in, "that George Bush, he's really 'more on'". -W

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OT Bush and Canada

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> As a Canadian, I must explain to our US neighbors that the press > misunderstood the Canadian official at the Prague meetings who was > reported as saying "What a moron" in reference to George Dubya. While our current leadership ranges from stupid and grasping to downright evil and ready to shred our Constitution, many of us are still capable of rational thought. He's a president, and while the office deserves respect the man himself must still be judged on his own merits. And, just my opinion, found severely wanting... So thanks for the yucks, and don't bother writing to me directly. Admiral Poindexter should be dispatching the brown shirts to have a chat with me as soon as this message passes through his current sieve. Now, where did I put that code for the old NSA line-eater appender... Sigh, --Steve.

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Cheap PCBs

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

For a Gerber RS-273X Format document, see: http://www.maniabarco.com/transdown/rs274xrevd_e.pdf The X format contains all cad data, whereas the RS-274D format needs a separate exellon-format drill file as well. gil ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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Intel MCA Above Board

by cb＠mythtech.net

I have an MCA board here (probably pulled from a PS/2, but I really am not sure where it came from). Its marked as an Intel Above Board MC. And currently has 8 30 pin SIMMS on it (1 MB each it looks like). From what I can find, I think this is just a normal above board memory expansion card (max 32 MB?) However, there is also a 50 pin IDC connector on it. Is that for connecting to a daughter card? I just want to confirm that fact, and that this isn't really some kind of a SCSI controller with a nice buffer on it. I thought the Above Boards were just memory cards, but you never know. (maybe if I could find something about them on Intel's site... but their AboveBoards support section seems to have vanished) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Zilog System 8000 Model 31 available in Australia

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >> Ok, how about the 8022 or even the i2920. > >No, though the 8021 (little brother of the 8022) is odd. > > > > Hi Eric I wrote code for the development chip 8021 to test the A/D. I never got one to actually give me a true 8 bits. 6 to 7 someplace was typical. I made a little fixture to plug it into as well. The developement chip was in one of those funny packages, like the 432's. Brings back memories. Dwight

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Zilog System 8000 Model 31 available in Australia

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >> I guess with Big Brother Intel the best processor designs >> like the 6809 and the PDP-11 are the odd ones. > >Intel's had their share of odd processors as well, such >as the 8035 and 8051. The 8089 as well, though it's not a >general-purpose processor. > >For that matter, the original Pentium is odd, though not all >later ones are. > Ok, how about the 8022 or even the i2920. Dwight

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osi docs needed

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Hi all, after searching the archives for info on osi and m/a comm computers, i found this list and subbed to it. i am into mini computers and ham radio as well as most tech fields. currently i'm looking for info and pinouts/schems on the osi boards. i have some spare boards form a osi m/a-comm 220c and a oem of the same but am trying to get a "dbi db80" working. the db-80 uses all osi drives,powersupplies and boards, except for the two cpu/terminal/comms boards labeled "dbi inc db1" the comp also has a ohio memory systems 10" hard drive in it. the machine did work in the early 90's then a strange problem started" upon a floppy command the head would go to the end of the lead screw and the stepper would not stop! now after 6 years in storage i tried the spare boards on a backplane and nothing (great more work to do). i thought the drive might be bad also so i searched the archives on this list and read about the serial/parallel interface that osi used - a-ha! that why osi dosnt use the read data pin on the siemans drive. the drive did head load and step ok when i tested them last week and i got a good index sensor pulse so perhaps the controller was going. if needed i'll recap and replace all the chips on the cards (i hope the eproms (rom) are ok. might anyone have docs on the osi boards? or is thier any osi owners.collectors on the list anymore? if so i'll send the board numbers later. 73 DE N8UHN Bill __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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Cheap PCBs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> > >On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Jim Kearney wrote: > >> >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> >> > Gerber format is not all that complicated. It seems that someone >> >> No, it's not. It doesn't seem like there's an off-the-shelf way to go from >> raster (PDF or TIFF) to vector (Gerber), though, or at least nothing jumps >> out from Google. In principle it would be easy to load a raster and write >> it out as a set of lines in Gerber format. >> >> Actually I have a vague recollection that one of the board houses charged >> extra for "very large Gerber files caused by rasterized plots". >> >> >> > >Plus its pretty hard to extract the drill info from a 'vectorized' raster >plot... > > >Peter Wallace > Hi That is why I didn't say that one should write a program that reads scanned files, I said that one should have a tool that worked from a mouse ( with human attached ). Most tools that would look at scanned data would tend to make a lot of small rectangles instead of correctly grouping the information as a single large rectangle. We are talking about something that a human can easily do but a program has issues because it requires judgement. The fact is that Gerber files are quite simple. They are about as simple as one can get. Although I don't recall the exact syntax, it is thing like goto to x,y; with aperture wheel position 2 draw relative xx,yy; goto to u,v; with aperture wheel postion 3 flash; and so on and so on. I don't think one could describe a PC board any simpler than that. I never said that an automatic tool should be easy to write. I said that one could make a useful tool that would use a mouse to locate and draw( snap would be nice ). One would simply trace the pdf or what ever with the mouse. Dwight

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Manuals for HP LaserJet 2 33440A

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

Anyone know where I can find both the User Manual and the Service Manual for the LaserJet 2 33440A Printer? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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CBM Chip Question

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: While rummaging thought my stock of Commodore chips, I came across a bunck of R6765 chips. I looked in some of my notes and I have "floppy controller" written down and elsewhere "D765". Is this a Rockwell-badged version of the NEC controller? Which Commodore drives was this chip used in? Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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List newbie

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

Hi, I just found this list. Very cool. I mostly have early 90s stuff in my collection. A NeXT slab, a bunch of Sun lunch box machines, stuff like that. However, I also have a VAX-11/750 that used to belong to a university in Oregon. It came with the UNIBUS expansion cabinet, a TU80 tape drive, a SA482 rack, three RA81 and two RA82s, bunches of spare boards, loads of field service and other docs and a bunch of the cartridge tapes. When I get around to trying to bring it back up, I will just keep the base cabinet and the TU80 and the RA82s (one operational and one spare). I may keep the SA482 in case I get some interesting equipment that needs a rack. I presume that I can pull the expansion cabinet off of the base cabinet and attach the TU80 in its place. If so, if anyone needs a UNIBUS expansion cabinet ... I dismantled one of the RA81 drive enclosures. If anyone needs a RA81, I have two and a half. I also have a RX02 (two 8" floppy drives) that I want to get rid of. One thing that I am looking for is a drive bay front panel for a RA82. I have one for an RA81. Another thing that I am looking for is a Burroughs B1965. I worked at Burroughs/Unisys during the end of life of the B1900s and think they are cool machines. Later, alan

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