- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Personally, I'm likely to be far too lazy to post if it goes "blog".. WTF is Kuro5hin? Slashdot is that linux thingy right? Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Maxtor drive goes under

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

After the experiences my company has using Dell desktops with Maxtor drives, as well as some personal experiences (below) I wouldn't have either a Dell computer *or* a Maxtor drive anywhere near my personal system. Dells today are the "Acer's" and "Packard Bells" of the current day - cheap, not easily expandable, and quick to wear out. And here, we're replacing Maxtor drives daily. OTOH, the oldest drive in my home network, now revered and used as a zip file storage drive, is a WD 720 "Caviar." That 720MB drive, small by current day standards, survived a house fire last year that melted the case it lived in. The frame, all the drives (3), and even my "ancient" AMD 450Mhz CPU chip survived. The box, however, is slag. I think I'll stay with WD. My current home *custom built) system boasts an AMD 1.1Ghz chip, 1 WD 8Gb system drive, 2 WD 80GB personal account (6 family members) and application drives, and the 1 old WD as a storage drive (aren't Promise cards wonderful?!). Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, TX; USA Phone (210) 592-3110, Fax (210) 592-2048 edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of "J.C.Wren" > <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:51 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: Maxtor drive goes under > > All drive manufacturers have particular models that have had > problems. For > instance, you'd have to pay me a damn lot of money to stick anything that > says "Western Digital" in my systems. I've been running Maxtors for > years, > and I recently had a 60GB D740X toast itself. First time ever. OTOH, > I've > had WDs belly-up left and right. I used to be a big fan of IBM drives, > until the DeathStar 60GXP and 75GXP debacle. > > www.storagereview.com is a good place to get comparisons of HDs. > And you > can contribute your experiences to the database. The database covers a > lot > of drives, but was initially started because of the 60GXP and 75GXPs. IBM > was claiming there was no problem, the rest of the world proved them > horribly wrong. > > Personally, I'll stick with Maxtors. I've got 10 Maxtors HDs > currently > spinning here (ranging from 27GB 5400 RPM to 80GB 7200 RPM drives), and > this > D740X is the first bad one. And Maxtor has (or had) a damn good warranty. > There's been some talk about Maxtor and WD going from 3 year warranties to > 1 > year. Something about getting too expensive, since HDs rarely stay in > service 3 years (in the real world. Don't start talking here about how > we're all still running drives from the '70's yada yada yada. We're not a > real cross section of the market). > > --John > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Cameron Kaiser > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 00:34 > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: OT: Maxtor drive goes under > > > > > > I believe Sellam was cursing at a Maxtor drive a couple > > months back, and > > now I know why. > > > > The 60GB ATA/133 DiamondStar in my Power Mac 7300 (connected > > through a Sonnet > > Tempo Trio) this evening made several hiccup-like noises and > > the computer > > froze up. On the next power cycle, it didn't spin up and just > > sat there and > > clicked. I suspected stiction (well, I prayed it was > > stiction) and tried > > reorienting it and a few gentle taps. On the next power > > cycle, it didn't even > > click anymore and made occasional soft grinding noises, and > > now it doesn't > > even do that. > > > > So, I'm typing this on my Power Book 1400, which I guess will > > be my desktop > > system for the time being. > > > > Any suggestions for ways to get it to spin up, one last time? > > Anyone know > > what happened? I thought it had been a power problem because > > it made some > > sounds like this a few weeks ago and replacing the power > > cable did seem to > > cure it, but I'm mystified as to why it would die so fast. > > The drive was not > > especially hot and it has plenty of ventilation. > > > > I guarantee you my next drive will not be a Maxtor. > > > > Sorry for the OT -- just looking for any desperation > > suggestions before I > > make a new hard drive platter wall clock. > > > > -- > > ----------------------------- personal page: > > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > > -- Son, God's going to use you. Until He does, take this > > pill. -- Mark Lowry -- > >

23 years, 3 months

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Selling an old IBM AS400/9404

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

For what its worth, I know how to hack the QSEFCOR password... And I have 3 different MULIC tapes, too.. I'm working on getting more, to provide an archive for other 400-heads like myself.. I own like 7 of the things if you count the couple machines that exist in board state only.. Indeed, on the RISC machines the license is implicitly transferred with the machine, I believe it even says you MUST transfer the license and s/w with the machine... Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 3 months

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About Electronics Questions

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> With Tony et al as my inspiration, I have recently started to learn > electronics. I've been at it a couple of days, and tonight I just had the > "aha!" for how high-pass and low-pass filters work. I haven't come across > anything yet that has me completely stumped, but if I do, is it appropriate > to ask newbie questions about electronics here? > > I'm supposed to *answer* questions like that, but I just don't know. > Typically, I call electronics conversations as on-topic because they are > directly relevant to operating classic computers. Newbie questions, however, > are more indirect. For another example, we'll help someone with a Windows > program that somehow makes his/her classiccmp go, but I doubt we'll bother > to teach a person in-list how to double-click. Is electronics any different? I'm inclined to say begining electronics questions would be ontopic. Sure it's a bit of a stretch, but I sure wouldn't complain. Unfortunatly I'm starting to doubt I'll ever find time to ask them myself :^( Zane

23 years, 3 months

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ADMIN: What if ClassicCmp were a blog?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > I really don't like /.'s format. It's too difficult to read through all > > the various messages. > > Yahoo groups or Google groups is probably a better example. I *only* access Yahoo groups through email. I can find time to deal with email, it is non-intrusive. If CLASSICCMP were to move to a web-board, I would leave. I have a hard enough time finding time to keep up with CLASSICCMP, if it were to move to a web-board, I simply wouldn't have time to mess with it. Zane

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ADMIN: What if ClassicCmp were a blog?

by 3sdiarftt02＠sneakemail.com

> Yahoo groups or Google groups is probably a better example. I hope they're just an example because if you actually move to Yahoo groups then I won't come with. Same is true for www.ezboard.com. Chris J.

23 years, 3 months

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OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa

by bluepearl8＠mac.com

Hi, I have an old macintosh portable I bought in 1995. I have no idea what it is worth but I love it. I am also not very computer literate. I also own a macintosh preforma 6360. I now own an imac. Maryann DeMatthews

23 years, 3 months

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ADMIN: What if ClassicCmp were a blog?

by 3sdiarftt02＠sneakemail.com

I like the way that the AtariAge forums work. (http://www.atariage.com) I think that's UBB. I wouldn't have any problem if CC ran like AA. However, if you did a Slashcode-based system I'd probably leave after a while. Chris J.

23 years, 3 months

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Utter eBay Madness (was help w/pricing)

by loedman1＠juno.com

Would that be traction or stationary ? Rich Stephenson >Nop, that was just a sidebranch of a quite great >invention which gave us wall size printouts of >Steam Engines! >Gruss >H.

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ADMIN: What if ClassicCmp were a blog?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> What is your opinion? Let's answer this one in-list, please. H*** NO!!!! Simple filtering of email messages takes care of 'inbox clutter', etc. Email is a fast, sleek and lowbandwidth medium. Web-boards, on the otherhand are cumbersome and time consuming. With email I can read CLASSICCMP on anything, with a Web-board, I'd be limited to a modern computer. If this were to happen, I can guarentee a lot of people would leave. Zane

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Victor 9000 display and Commodore stuff

by vcf＠siconic.com

This guy has stuff. Contact him if interested. Reply-to: <tingle(a)nb.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:45:47 -0500 From: Bill Tingle <tingle(a)nb.net> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: victor 9000 I have acquired a monitor labeled "Victor 9000". It is model 601, Serial C0061752. I found no reference to it on the Vintage Fextival website. Thus, I speculate that it may be rather rare. It looks to be unused so I assume it works. Can you tell me what interest the Festival (or others) might have in it. I live in Pennsylvania. I thank you in advance for your efforts in this matter and will appreciate either a reply or a forwarding of my letter to someone who might have an interest in the item. I also have some Commodore 64's and 128"s with modems, drives, and other accessories. I assume there is no interest in them. Please reply to tingle(a)nb.net . -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 3 months

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Re:A Few New Finds Today

by joe_web＠worldonline.fr

I'm interes at the video cards, are they too for 1$? bye ---------- Initial Header -----------

23 years, 3 months

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Too many EPROMs

by aw288＠osfn.org

Well, I have too many of the things, pulled off boards for years and years. 2716s thru 27512s, regular and CMOS. Does anybody need any of these CHEAP? I must have several hundred untested pulls. Let me know what you are looking for. What's a good price? How about .25 a pop, or six for a buck, plus shipping. Any interest? I do have some oddballs and older types (1702s, 2708s) too - please ask. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

23 years, 3 months

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Prelinger & Computer Chronicles Archives

by cb＠mythtech.net

>"He developed the first operating system (CP/M)." > >I sincerely hope that the web page author meant this sentence to be taken >completely in the context of the previous one. :( Maybe the web designer knows the same guy I do... who just the other day described the RAM chips in a 486 he wanted me to look at as "antique memory". When I looked inside the computer, he was refering to 72 pin SIMMs!!!! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Update: BBC Acorn

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> You lucky devil - I've been looking for a BBC Micro ARM Evaluation Kit for > years! I saw one at a show ("Last ARM Evaluation Kit In Existence") - that > just made me want one even more :-) :-) Any idea how many were released into the wild? I certainly had no luck tracking down any info for mine when I last tried (which was about 8 years ago now, admittedly) They don't seem to have been that common at all... cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

23 years, 3 months

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Octane comes from October (WasRichard Crandall just cancelled a payment to you)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Damn, You can't hardly find higher than 93.5 or so here in Colorado... < jealous of those who can get 100 octane at the pump. Sure, my car needs only 87, but if I could get higher octane gas I could drive a car with higher compression ;p Will J _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 3 months

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IBM system 3 Re: PDP-12 on eBay (IBM 650 on ebay)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

This thread is a good indication of why we need some sort of register of machines, by serial number, including "mutt" machines made from bits of others. Most classic cars have registrys devoted to them, so why not classic computers? A PDP-8/I one would be interesting, for example. Plus, if the members were willing to provide their e-mail addresses, it would centralize the knowledge of who has, say, extra boards or manuals... Just a thought... Will J _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

23 years, 3 months

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Technique for scanning in documentation

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

I have a bunch of documentation for my VAX 11/750 and peripherals that I would like to scan in and make available. What technique should I use? I can scan individual pages, but how do I stitch them together to make one big PDF file? alan

23 years, 3 months

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A couple of Good Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

At Goodwill I got a book titled BIT BY BIT An Illustrated History of Computers by Stan Augarten for 25 cents and it has lots of great pictures and stories in it. At another thrift I got a TI-99/4 with power supply and nothing else ( It's the 99/4 not the later 99/4A). It's in pretty good shape with a few dents. Looked for the Doc's for it but only found TI-99/4A books.

23 years, 3 months

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M100 Keys Sought

by 3sdiarftt02＠sneakemail.com

> Should I bet on the galaxy? No keys. > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Ed Chiodo wrote: > > > I have a mint condition M100 that I would like to sell. > > > One problem: the original keys were replaced with custom screened > > > keys for an OEM application. Does anyone know of a source for > > > replacement keys?

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Progress (PDP-8/L repair)

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

I'm still looking for an M220 board since one of the six won't carry from its LSB to MSB. Probably just needs a 7482 adder; I have one on order. In the meantime I've been looking at the core memory and MB registers which appeared to be totally dead (no bits ever changed on the front panel). (M+) - (M-) = 22.3 volts. This weekend, after quite a bit of signal chasing, I found that I had put the variable delay line in the wrong slot some time ago while cleaning connectors/mice nests! When I replaced it in the correct slot there was still no STROBE output. I then found that the 7400 output buffer was internally shorted to Vcc (probably >from the mis-slotting). Replaced the 7400. Now it cycles. The MB now lights up with the contents of the SR on a DEP, but I can't tell if anything is getting stored, or whether it isn't getting read, since EXAM always shows all-0's to the MB. I can't run any diagnostics yet since I can't store any instructions! Any help/hints greatly appreciated. -Charles

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Mac TV

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Is this something worth buying? If you are a Mac collector, sure, since its a cool little peice of Apple history... if you want it as an investment, not unless you get it nearly free. The prices for them have been steadily falling on eBay, so it is unlikely that you will be able to purchase one and be able to resell it at a high enough price to make it worth your time and effort. But, if you happen to come across them in an auction or scrap yard or otherwise, and can snag one for $10 like John did... then grab it. I think there are a few people on this list alone that might be willing to give you $25 to $50 for one, and you can probably get closer to $100 on eBay still. If it is totally complete, manuals, software, remote, everything, and is in good cosmetic condition, and everything works properly, then you might just might be able to snag upwards of $250 on eBay. Just remember, this is eBay... that means one will sell today for $250 and tomorrow for $35. Outside of eBay, I have not noticed Mac collectors willing to pay more than $100 for a complete, working system. The MacTV is not a terribly rare item (I think Apple sold something in the range of 10,000 units... and there is usually at least one on eBay in a given month) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 3 months

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Fw: NeXT archives/museum?

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

I actually got a bunch of offers to take the documents (uh, now I have to remember which box they are in :-( Thanks a bunch. Oh, and I guess I need to figure out which offer that I am actually going to take ... alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Perry" <alanp(a)snowmoose.com> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: NeXT archives/museum? > > Is there a NeXT archive or museum anywhere? I have a few documents that > are historically interesting (one is a receipt for the very last > magneto-optical cartridges that Canon had in stock) and would like them > to go to a suitable home, if there is such a place. > > alan > > >

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Semi OT: Apple CD-ROM Driver 5.3.1

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Anyone out there have the Apple CD-ROM Driver 5.3.1 that they might >be willing to email my way? I just recently picked up a Toshiba XM- >520 SCSI CD-ROM drive in hopes of being able to use it with both my >Apple IIGS and my Performa 405. I've been told that the GS (equipped >as it is with a RAMFast SCSI Card) should handle it fine; but since >the Performa is running System 7.5, I need the Apple CD-ROM Driver >5.3.1 from System 7.6 to be able to use non-Apple CD-ROM drives. http://www.macdrivermuseum.com/disk/Apple_CD-ROM_D-5.3.1.sit.hqx and http://www.macdrivermuseum.com/disk/Mac_CD-ROM_Setup_5.3.2.sit for the ISO 9660, audio and High Sierra additions -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Update: BBC Acorn

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15, 10:53, Jules Richardson wrote: > > ARM Evaluation Kit - yep - that's the one. I do have various discs and > > manuals for it, too. I used to love the "twin" editor - several open files > > at one, and could cut and paste between them. Ahead of it's time... > > yeah, that's it. Without any discs or being able to find anyone who knew > anything about it I'm afraid mine got put in storage. I believe I've got the > original polystyrene packaging for it, but no discs or outer box or anything > (go figure) I can copy the six disks for you, but as I mentioned in previous post, my Disc 1 has a corrupt track. > I've got some other BBC add-on in the same style housing as the ARM unit, but > can't remember what it is now. It wasn't the teletext unit unfortunately, as > that could have been interesting to play about with. Most of the Acorn add-ons came in the same housing. All the Second Processors (6502, Z80, 32016) and the Universal Second Processor box (so you could use Master Series upgrades like a Turbo, Master 512 80186 CoPro, or the Scientific), Teletext Adaptor, Prestel Adaptor, IEEE Interface, and probably others. > > They were expensive, but much more expandable than the spectrum. At one > > point I had about six of them in my bedroom on an econet network, had > > several on modems running a multi-user BBS. > > excellent :-) > I never got into the networking side of things with them (I've got all the > fileserver/network for the RM Link machines which I believe were the schools > alternative to having BBCs in the UK) I had a three-station Econet in the house in 1984 or 1985, and it eventually grew to include a Master 128, a Compact, and a Filestore. > I seem to remember this machine is way more complex than the innards of an XT > though, with about 1.5x the board space and a lot of ULA chips on board. > > I'm sure Ferranti produced much better machines than glorified IBM clones > though, if that's what this is :-) :-) In my earlier reply, I was thinking of rather older Ferranti computers. At least a decade older, maybe two... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Update: BBC Acorn

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15, 10:55, Jules Richardson wrote: > > > You lucky devil - I've been looking for a BBC Micro ARM Evaluation Kit for > > years! I saw one at a show ("Last ARM Evaluation Kit In Existence") - that > > just made me want one even more :-) > > :-) > Any idea how many were released into the wild? I certainly had no luck tracking > down any info for mine when I last tried (which was about 8 years ago now, > admittedly) > > They don't seem to have been that common at all... No, they weren't. I worked for Acorn at the time, and even then I only saw one or two. I saw more of the ARM PC cards. But now I know maybe half-a-dozen people who own one. There was one on EBay a while ago. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 3 months

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Mac TV

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Is this something worth buying? Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

23 years, 3 months

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Update: BBC Acorn

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> Hmm. I've not got the box any more, mores the pity. sure. I can understand my not getting the box but I'm surprised someone lost the discs / manuals in my case... guess they got left on a shelf somewhere and then dumped. > There were no end of accessories that all used the same box. Various > add-on processors, modem (prestel adapter) etc. hmm. I really must look at what I have again!! >>I'm sure Ferranti produced much better machines than glorified IBM clones >>though, if that's what this is :-) > >They did do an IBM XT clone - we had to use some of them. Big black ugly >box. Cassette based, with an upgrade available to floppy disc. W.H.Smiths >used to sell them to the public..! They were not a success. hmm, this one had a cream-coloured case. The chassis was built to accomodate a couple of single-height floppy drives, side-by side; I believe it had a floppy controller built into one of the main boards. I think it had a couple of seperate PSUs in it too, one providing +5V and the other doing everything else. All this from memory of course - it's buried behind several layers of other junk at the moment :-) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

23 years, 3 months

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A Few New Finds Today

by jthecman＠netscape.net

I will gladly keep my eyes open for a set for you. At auction this only cost me $10 because no one there wanted Mac stuff. As to were I get this stuff it's mostly at thrift's and auctions (the best are schools and tech businesses). I have cut back on the thrifts because of cashflow (no job yet) but I used to go by them everyday. Goodwill, Value Village, and Savers are the best for me. The Salvation Army is too high in the stores and at their daily auctions. Up North (MN) the U of M was a good place to get older items and because there was an article written about me in the paper up there I got lots of calls from people wanting to give me items. chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> wrote: >>1. Black Macintosh TV no mouse, KB, or remote with it. Will test it on >>Wednesday. > >If you happen to ever come across any of the mouse, kb, remotes... I >could use a set. I have a Mac TV (finally... thanks John!!!), but it >lacks its extras as well (and currently is supposed to be DOA, but I hope >to finally have a look at it this weekend). > >I only run this by you because you seem to have the magical ability to >find the most awesome stuff at little to no cost... where DO you do you >hunting?!? > >Oh, and FYI: the MacTV will work with a universal remote. Sony TV code. >At least that is true with my PowerMac, which came with a remote that is >also compatible with the MacTV, so I draw the conclusion that the MacTV >should also be compatible with a universal remote, sony code set. > >-chris ><http://www.mythtech.net> > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

23 years, 3 months

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Subject: How many PDP-12's are there now?

by ken＠seefried.com

From: "Robert Krten" <root(a)parse.com> > Roswell/GA/USA Whoa! Where is there a PDP-12 in Roswell, GA??? That's right down the road >from me and I'd love to see it. Ken Seefried (in Alpharetta, GA)

23 years, 3 months

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DEC RRD42-AA SCSI CD-ROM

by Qstieee＠aol.com

I'll take that too.

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DEC RRD42-AA SCSI CD-ROM

by runtime＠wzrd.com

Needs a home. Importantly: there is NO caddy, and it's a caddy type drive. I haven't tested it but it was said to be in working order a couple of years ago. It's partially shink-wrapped in some sort of mylar-like material. Very odd. It's got a strange metal bracket that's perhaps for a large enclosure; it's not something I've seen for a CD but it reminds me of the drive brackets in a MicroVAX 3100/20. Mfg date 1992. Anyway, for shipping cost it's yours. Don Mitchell

23 years, 3 months

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Collectible Microcomputers

by rick＠jelcoventures.com

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23 years, 3 months

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Digital hard drives

by bmachacek＠pcisys.net

I have two (2) Digital RA-70 hard drives that I acquired from another scrounger several years ago. They look to be in excellent shape, but of course I cannot guarantee that they work. They are both very heavy. If anyone is interested in them, I will be happy to ship them to anyone willing to pay the shipping charges, what ever that may be. And they are heavy..... I would rather see someone use them instead of sending them off the the scrap heap..... Bill Machacek Colo. Springs, CO bmachacek(a)pcisys.net

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PDP-8/L repair

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Charles <charlesmorris(a)direcway.com> > >On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:00:01 -0600, you wrote: > >>If you have an extender card, you should >>be able to trace the fault pretty quickly with a logic probe or >>an oscilloscope. >> >>Without an extender card, it's a lot harder. > >I agree. I have both an extender card and a scope, fortunately, >and have been using them extensively! > >>> This weekend, after quite a bit of signal chasing, I found that I >>> had put the variable delay line in the wrong slot some time ago >>> while cleaning connectors/mice nests! >> >>I've done stuff like that. > >The problem was, since my machine does not come with the parity >option installed, there are a few empty slots in the otherwise >unbroken string of handles touching each other...I still am >annoyed for doing it to myself though ;) > >Now to fix the core memory. ><HOPE> Shouldn't be too hard to find </HOPE> >since it's doing nothing. If it had flaky bits or words or pages, >different story, but absolutely dead can only be a few things. Ya, like a broken core sense wire! For the times I don't have an extension card, I solder some wires to points I expect to measure and tape them to a strip of wood that I lay on top of the machine. It is slow but works OK. It wouldn't work on a real fast machine because of reflections of unterminated lines but these older machines are not all that troublesome with one foot or so of wire. Dwight > >-Charles > >

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PDP 11

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

What type of PDP 11? -----Original Message----- From: Computermuseum Sent: Wed 1/15/2003 11:51 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Cc: Subject: PDP 11 Hi Someone intersted in a PDP 11? I have one for ... name your price... 500 Us$ Michel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens J.C.Wren Verzonden: woensdag 15 januari 2003 19:47 Aan: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Onderwerp: RE: How many PDP-12's are there now? I live in GA, very near Roswell. What's the info on the '12? --John > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of Robert Krten > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 00:04 > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: How many PDP-12's are there now? > > > > So... > > all this discussion about PDP-12's has got me curious. > > How many of them are there in existence? > > It would certainly be interesting to get a list of machines and at > least city locations -- I'll start the list: > > Ottawa/ON/Canada (mine) > Roswell/GA/USA > > If anyone wants to send me info, I'll volunteer to collect and put it > up on my website (I won't put email addresses or other incriminating > evidence unless you want me to :-)). > > The other interesting thing that this discussion begs is the topic of > (borrowed term) "biomagnification". It's from the > environmental field, > and basically relates to how bigger animals get more than their "fair" > share of poisons because they eat smaller animals which have already > concentrated the poisons in their systems. I've borrowed the > term because > lately what I've been thinking about is the accumulated collections of > people who are no longer interested in collecting -- in this case, > instead of just getting one or two machines at a time, you tend to > get "clusters" of machines -- hence "biomagnification" :-) > > So... any collectors out there getting rid of PDP stuff? :-) > > Cheers, > -RK > > -- > Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 > minicomputers! > Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. > Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at > www.parse.com

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PDP-8/L repair

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:00:01 -0600, you wrote: >If you have an extender card, you should >be able to trace the fault pretty quickly with a logic probe or >an oscilloscope. > >Without an extender card, it's a lot harder. I agree. I have both an extender card and a scope, fortunately, and have been using them extensively! >> This weekend, after quite a bit of signal chasing, I found that I >> had put the variable delay line in the wrong slot some time ago >> while cleaning connectors/mice nests! > >I've done stuff like that. The problem was, since my machine does not come with the parity option installed, there are a few empty slots in the otherwise unbroken string of handles touching each other...I still am annoyed for doing it to myself though ;) Now to fix the core memory. <HOPE> Shouldn't be too hard to find </HOPE> since it's doing nothing. If it had flaky bits or words or pages, different story, but absolutely dead can only be a few things. -Charles

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NeXT archives/museum?

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

Is there a NeXT archive or museum anywhere? I have a few documents that are historically interesting (one is a receipt for the very last magneto-optical cartridges that Canon had in stock) and would like them to go to a suitable home, if there is such a place. alan

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M100 Keys Sought

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >> > Is that the Samsung M100 phone? >> > Or the Lotus Elan M100? >> > (I doubt that you have the M100 spiral galaxy for sale) > >On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Scarletdown wrote: >> I'll sell you the Large Magellanic Cloud for $50,000, and throw in >> the Small Magellanic Cloud as a bonus. :) > >Sorry. >Much as I'd love to add it to my collection, I'm having MAJOR >problems with storage space - I had to hand over most of my >collection to Sellam, just due to lack adequate space. >(space is NOT expanding) > > Hi EPA might complain. Super nova 1997A has been spewing out a lot of radio active waste. Since this is part of it, shipping may also be an issue. Dwight

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Semi OT: Apple CD-ROM Driver 5.3.1

by SecretaryBird＠SoftHome.net

Anyone out there have the Apple CD-ROM Driver 5.3.1 that they might be willing to email my way? I just recently picked up a Toshiba XM- 520 SCSI CD-ROM drive in hopes of being able to use it with both my Apple IIGS and my Performa 405. I've been told that the GS (equipped as it is with a RAMFast SCSI Card) should handle it fine; but since the Performa is running System 7.5, I need the Apple CD-ROM Driver 5.3.1 from System 7.6 to be able to use non-Apple CD-ROM drives. -- Scarletdown

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M100 Keys Sought

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... Now we're guessing between a cash register, a palmtop computer, a Tandy computer, a telephone, a jazzy car, or a spiral galaxy... I s'pose maybe his asking price will determine which it is....? Should I bet on the galaxy? Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, TX; USA Phone (210) 592-3110, Fax (210) 592-2048 edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of > "Scarletdown" <SecretaryBird(a)SoftHome.net> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:58 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M100 Keys Sought > > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M100 Keys Sought > Send reply to: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> > <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> > Date sent: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) > > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Ed Chiodo wrote: > > > I have a mint condition M100 that I would like to sell. > > > One problem: the original keys were replaced with custom screened > > > keys for an OEM application. Does anyone know of a source for > > > replacement keys? > > > > Is that the Samsung M100 phone? > > Or the Lotus Elan M100? > > > > (I doubt that you have the M100 spiral galaxy for sale) > > I'll sell you the Large Magellanic Cloud for $50,000, and throw in > the Small Magellanic Cloud as a bonus. :) > > > > > >

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Ohio Scientific C4P-MF ROMs

by cott＠acclamation.com

Ethan Dicks wrote: >--- <mailto:cott@acclamation.com>cott(a)acclamation.com wrote: > > Can anyone out there with a C4P-MF send me the ROMs? > > I gave my CP4 motherboard to Hans Franke when I stayed with him > a few years ago. Perhaps he could help. I never had the whole > system, but I _think_ it was from a C4P-MF. > > -ethan Actually, I guess I wasn't clear: I don't need the physical ROMs, just the contents. If someone could Email them to me, that would be fine. Thanks, Chris Ott

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OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa

by nerdware＠ctgonline.org

If you go to http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112379 you'll see the 6360 is a 603e running at 160MHz. It'll also tell you about what configuration it shipped in, max ram, etc. Paul ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS: Maryann; The portable should have a model number somewhere. That could give me some info as to processor and speed. Need that first. The "Performa" line was an attempt by Apple to sell through non-traditional stores like Sears and such. It was super easy to buy. It came preconfigured and was sold as a total package including mon. and printer. I believe the 6360 may be a "Power PC" and faster than the older Macs. It may also have remote infrared capabilities. You could see that in the small red window on the front. I am glad that you stuck with Mac an got an iMac. Wanna sell the 6360??? Paul Mika

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Update: BBC Acorn

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi, > ARM Evaluation Kit - yep - that's the one. I do have various discs and > manuals for it, too. I used to love the "twin" editor - several open files > at one, and could cut and paste between them. Ahead of it's time... yeah, that's it. Without any discs or being able to find anyone who knew anything about it I'm afraid mine got put in storage. I believe I've got the original polystyrene packaging for it, but no discs or outer box or anything (go figure) I've got some other BBC add-on in the same style housing as the ARM unit, but can't remember what it is now. It wasn't the teletext unit unfortunately, as that could have been interesting to play about with. > They were expensive, but much more expandable than the spectrum. At one > point I had about six of them in my bedroom on an econet network, had > several on modems running a multi-user BBS. excellent :-) I never got into the networking side of things with them (I've got all the fileserver/network for the RM Link machines which I believe were the schools alternative to having BBCs in the UK) Slowly picked up a few BBCs and assortments, plus I've got a Master somewhere that's fairly well modified from original spec (and an Acorn Cambridge Workstation which still needs a suitable hard drive and the OS discs to format it) Interesting machines as far as old 8-bitters go! > That was about the time I was still single, working for Ferranti Computer > Systems (and I've never seen ANY of their computers lying about anywhere... > ) and had plenty of money to indulge my hobby. I've got some sort of machine of theirs, housed in a shell a little bigger than an IBM XT, plus the guts of a second one - but I don't know if it's just some sort of XT clone. Uses an XT-style keyboard anyway and output was CGA compatible if I remember right. I certainly never got it to boot with any version of DOS I had though (from DOS 2.0 upward) - best I got was a 'missing operating system' one time. I seem to remember this machine is way more complex than the innards of an XT though, with about 1.5x the board space and a lot of ULA chips on board. I'm sure Ferranti produced much better machines than glorified IBM clones though, if that's what this is :-) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Update: BBC Acorn

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 13, 19:35, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > At 09:44 14/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >Is that the "ARM evaluation unit" (or labelled as something similar)? I've got > >one of those *somewhere* but no docs / software for it. Think it had 4MB of > >memory which was a reasonable amount in those days. > > ARM Evaluation Kit - yep - that's the one. I do have various discs and > manuals for it, too. I used to love the "twin" editor - several open files > at one, and could cut and paste between them. Ahead of it's time... > > It's all boxed up somewhere under the stairs though. If you could dig out Disc 1 and make a copy, I'd be very grateful. I have an ARM Evaluation Kit too, with most of the manuals, but my Disc 1 is corrupt (blank track right in the middle of the assembler file). > That was about the time I was still single, working for Ferranti Computer > Systems (and I've never seen ANY of their computers lying about > anywhere... ) Hmm... I know someone who has just acquired a chunk of one -- not sure how much, but "most of it" is possibly a fair description. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Shark Update

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Right. If you don't like tales of endurance, adventure, battle and gore, turn away now. Same thing goes if you don't like happy endings... A trilogy, in four parts: (orig. (c) Douglas Adams) Part 1: I decided that rather than wait for ICPUG to deliver a disk, I'd go ahead and try to make my X1541 cable, which would allow me to use either the 1541 I just got, or the 1541-II I already had to transfer the Mator "discdiag" program over to the PET. Rather than the plain old X1541 (which probably wouldn't work with my "big" PC, I decided on the XE1541, which should work. I'm not going the whole hog & making parallel drives, etc. I can afford the time. So: 5pm, trip to Maplins to get the components. "Sorry guvnor, no diodes in stock". OK - fall back to the plain X1541 then; at least it'll work on my 486. "Oh, and no D25 plugs either". FFS! OK, plan 'B' (made up on the spot) - use a D25 socket (available) & a male-male genderbender (available). Woohoo! That and some cable & a couple of 6-pin DINs (1 spare, 'cos I usually knacker one trying to solder them). Wait 1hr for train home. I *knew* I should have taken the car... Then again, the traffic jam was horrendus, so glad I didn't. Arrived home, found most of my soldering gear, except the tin of excellent tip cleaner/tinner. Nevermind, tip's still clean enough. Apply vice to desk, start soldering 6-pin DIN. Amazingly, I didn't completely wreck it (although some of the pins needed realigning afterwards). *Surely* there's an easier way?? Copious use of multimeter to ensure no shorts. Everything checks out, even with the connector all sealed up. Huzzah! OK, I took special care wiring up the D25 socket, making sure I had the exact right pins, everything. Since the X1541 requires the GND pin connecting across ALL of the data lines (well, that's what the diagram says, I'm not sure if it's optional or not), I improvise a bar using a regular staple & lots of solder. Hook everything up. Re-check all connections with multimeter - everything AOK! All pins connected, no pins shorting out, we're hot to rock! Dig the 486 out of the dim & distant corner it's lurking in. Power up, copy Star Commander across. Plug M-M genderbender into cable, plug into parallel port. Root 1541 out of cupboard, plug in. This is where things start to go wrong.... The power & drive lights come on, but the drive light fails to go out. Uh-oh. Unplug everything, re-check wiring. No problems. Re-connect everything - same behaviour. Download X1541test.exe, load it onto 486, follow bent paperclip instructions (only with a staple). No probs, p/port is compatible. Hmmm.... Finally, I re-test the cable with the genderbender still in place: Doh! It's mirror-imaged all the connections! So, my carefully soldered cable looks just like I'd made the most elementary f**kup imaginable. Grrr. Eat dinner in moody silence. Return to soldering iron. Getting that staple bus-bar out is a real pig. I'm probably lucky I didn't fry the LPT port. Or the 1541 for that matter... Anyway, finally it all works, so I format a disk, copy an image over, and wander upstairs to try it out. Part 2: Things start to go wrong again..... First, I try the disk in an 8050: No joy. So, back downstairs, pick up the 4040, back upstairs. If you know your Commodores, you will know that the 4040 should work. Well, it didn't. Getting a bit worried now, I wander back downstairs & re-check the disk; yep, still readable. Root a 3040 out of the cupboard, add plug. Take 3040 & disk upstairs. Plug 3040 in & switch on; there's a small "snap" noise, and FLAMES! Pull mains plug out in a hurry, but the fire continues; luckily, it's only small, and I can simply blow it out: No opening the window & slinging the drive into the street - phew!. Open 3040 up, it looks like an electrolytic cap has burned out (literally, there is smoke damage above it in the case). Still, that explains why the fuse didn't blow - the power side is still quite alright. So, 3040 down, 8050 no good, 4040 no good. Despairing, I turn to the net, to discover that the 4040 *should* be OK. Worried now that I didn't write the disk in GCR format... However, I re-try the disk, this time in drive 1, and after a couple of false starts it's away & working! Woohoo! Part 3: OK, now the drive is OK and I've got the program loaded, I start up the hard-drive. 25 seconds it takes, from power on to availablilty. Try a diR; get 2 chars then nothing, computer (CBM710) has crashed. Re-boot computer with power switch, try again - same problem. Uh-oh, has the HDD died? I try the only thing I know is different, switch off 4040 & try again (same problem), then physically disconnect 4040 - problem solved. So, the 4040 has an IEEE problem (or maybe a DOS problem, I don't know which). With that little dilemma solved, I re-load the diagnostics program from the 4040, save it to HDD (that works with the 4040 plugged in, for some reason). Unplug 4040, run diags program. Huzzah! Finally, we made it! (wipes sweat from brow). Old computers, eh? You just gotta love 'em. Part 4: I set the "bad sector report" going, then had a peek at the manual because it looks like the 710 has crashed again - however, it turns out it's going to take about 10mins for the HDD to locate all its duff sectors. So that's OK, leave it 10 mins. I'm expecting it to be in bad shape, but actually there are only about 17 reallocations. I can't remember how big a Commodore sector is, but given that there is nearly 82250 blocks of total disk space, that seems like a very low number (again, bear in mind this h/w is approaching 20 years old). I tried a few "random reads" (all reported no errors), and the machine literally shook about the place as the head moved back & forth. Wow.... Try doing that with a little IDE drive! So, that's it really. It looks like the Shark is in swimmingly (sorry) good order, and it does in fact work OK with the 8050; it's just the 4040 which causes it grief. --------------------End-------------------- If you found the above boring, then please don't read it. Thankyou. And now, some questions: 1) Is it actually possible to copy files from one unit (i.e. diskdrive) to another (i.e. Shark)? The COPY command can't (it even says so in the manual), and I guess it's understandable given that most people would have had a dual drive unit, and maybe a tape deck, but little else with their PETs. 2) Does anyone know anything about the "Interpod" IEEE-->Serial thing? I have one of these, and during Part 2 above, I tried using it to (a) connect the 8050 to the X1541 cable, and (b) connect the 1541 to the PET, but neither application worked in any way shape or form. So, do I have a duff Interpod, or does it require some s/w on the computer to operate correctly (if so, I suspect it's a C64 specific thing). I believe it was used to connect a C64 to the Shark hard drive. 3) Does *anyone* make DIN plugs which don't melt if you bring a soldering iron within 5ft of them? 4) Where's my coffee? That's all folks! Now I've verified the Shark is in pretty sound condition, I'll try taking some decent photos of it, inside & out. And yes Jeffrey, I'll try to make sure there's some good hi-res pictures of it :) Although I am a bit short of extra lighting, so we'll have to see what the built-in flash is capable of, I'm afraid. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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Update: BBC Acorn

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Rob, > BBC mostly, though not in a "must have everything" sense. Just because I > spent many years making a sort of living off them. I've got one of Acorn's > original ARM development systems though (connects to the BBC) which I've > had since they were hot off the press. Is that the "ARM evaluation unit" (or labelled as something similar)? I've got one of those *somewhere* but no docs / software for it. Think it had 4MB of memory which was a reasonable amount in those days. I've got a whole pile of other BBC and related stuff, but I've generally forgotten what I have - your posting made me remember the ARM unit. Funny how people don't remember the BBC systems that well - I suppose they were generally quite expensive to have at home (compared to the Spectrums and C64 machines) and in a school environment people didn't get much of a chance to really play about with them. They're certainly quite well designed machines... cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Guess What Operating System...

by Andreas.Freiherr＠Vishay.com

... uses a dot as a prompt and responds to each of the commands "dir", "date", "ver" and a lot of others only with a "?"...? This question was asked at the Frankfurt Meeting 2002, an event of the "realtime special interest group" (RT-SIG) within German DECUS. I wasn't there, but just read an article in the "DECUS Bulletin". It looks like the system was presented to the audience life from a networked notebook. The report has it that after some guessing, someone suggested to try uppercase, and "VER" lead to the solution: EURO-12, running on a real, still fully functional PDP-12, connected to a terminal server, allowing the notebook to display the dialog. There is a small, but high quality picture in the bulletin, showing the blinkenlights (some of them actually illuminated) and switches, a screen that might be a GT40 or something that looks similar, and a dual DECtape drive (TU56, I guess). WOW! -- Andreas Freiherr Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany http://www.vishay.com

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M100 Keys Sought

by echiodo＠optonline.net

I have a mint condition M100 that I would like to sell. One problem: the original keys were replaced with custom screened keys for an OEM application. Does anyone know of a source for replacement keys? - Ed

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OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa

by cb＠mythtech.net

> My main complaint: Other than adding RAM or PCI cards, upgrades are >nearly impossible with that impenetrable case. It isn't too bad once you have done it a few times... and having the take apart directions from Apple makes life SOOO much easier. The trick is popping that front panel off. Of course, the motherboard just slides out the back, so unless you are upgrading the drives, it is fairly easy access for RAM and PCI cards. If you want a copy of the Apple PDF on the 6400/6500 let me know, I'll dig mine out and send it over to you. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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