Greetings --
I have a small program (about 3K lines of C) which I want to rewrite in Z80
assembly language in order to reduce the code size. The target system is a
Kaypro 10, 64KB RAM, CP/M 2.2. In its C incarnation, the program *will* run
but frequently runs out of system memory. The program is designed around
multiple dynamically allocated linked lists which expand and contract as the
(interactive) program is used.
I've done little Z80 assembly programming (a number of small utilities, all of
which were < 500 lines of code) but I've already written and tested *almost*
all the low-level functions (console, file, & printer i/o) which the program
requires. Except . . . how do I dynamically allocate memory? I don't see a
CP/M function call to allocate or free memory. Does such a function exist,
and if so, what are the details?
Lacking such a CP/M function, how do I write replacements for malloc() and
free()? It has to be possible or the calls would not exist in the library of
the compiler I used to build the C program.
TIA for any hints --
Glen
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:05:11 -0700
> From: Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net>
> To: cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Bernoulli Dual 20Z
> Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>
> I found a Bernoulli Dual 20Z drive in a thrift shop.
> Does anyone know anything about it?
>
> It has a SCSI interface on it, but I don't even know
> what capacity of disks it can handle, and where can
> I find software to drive it.
>
> They has some "90" disks there too, which do fit
> into the drive, but I'd like more info on it than that
The one Bernoulli I once owned used 90mb cartridges, which is probably what
you're looking at, Kevin. Bernoullis were more or less predecessors of Zip
drives, technologically speaking. I may have a Mac SCSI driver around here
somewhere for these things or you might try the Iomega website.
SML
AMD made a 486 "SLC" chip that might probably do the trick... Originally,
it was designed as a Laptop CPU, But I was able to use it in a baby-AT form
factor to rum my BBS... :)
Cheers!
Ed Tillman
Store Automation Tech Support Specialist
Valero Energy Corporation
San Antonio, TX; USA
Phone (210) 592-3110, Fax (210) 592-2048
edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of "Robert F.
> Schaefer" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 8:13 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: '386 chip upgrade?
>
> I've got an old P70 (IBM MCA luggable w/ plasma display) with a '386DX20
> that I'm playing around with. Does anyone know if there's a drop-in
> replacement for the '386DX? I'm pretty constrained space-wise, no room
> for
> an interposer and barely room for a heatsink should one prove necessary.
> I'm not aiming for a fire-breathing monster, just more geek points when I
> boot AIX-PS/2 and Solaris-mca 2.6 on it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob
>
You know the brand name of the UPS: There's likely freebie software out
there on one of the .dll catalogue pages, if you know the make/model/series
names/numbers. Also, you might heck with C|Net (Download.com), ZDnet, or
similar pages. If they don't have it, they can likely point you in the
right direction...
Cheers!
Ed Tillman
Store Automation Tech Support Specialist
Valero Energy Corporation
San Antonio, TX; USA
Phone (210) 592-3110, Fax (210) 592-2048
edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com>
> > >From a previous life, I have a perfectly fine working UPS.
> ...
> > Would anyone happen to have windows software for it? As a last resort,
> how
> > standard is the DB9 pinout (IF I can find the pinout, no luck there
> > either)... I'm wondering if I can use just about any UPS software for
> it.
>
> http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Message: 23
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:32:22 GMT
From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> >From a previous life, I have a perfectly fine working UPS.
...
> Would anyone happen to have windows software for it? As a last resort, how
> standard is the DB9 pinout (IF I can find the pinout, no luck there
> either)... I'm wondering if I can use just about any UPS software for it.
I guess you can get a meter on the various port pins and simulate various
failure modes to work out which pins signify what - if the UPS is
non-intelligent and just uses various serial port pins to signify conditions.
If the UPS forms some sort of protocol with the host you have a bit of a
problem!
I seem to remember setting up a linux box with an unknown UPS years ago, and
doing just that, but of course getting a UPS to work with Linux is probably a
little easier than Windows as you don't need any custom software. I expect if
you can figure the UPS port out and find out what the UPS software (whichever
you choose) on Windows needs then you can wire up a cable and everything should
work fine.
have a look at:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/UPS-HOWTO.html
that says that a lot of intelligent UPSes can be operated in dumb mode, and
also gives specs for a few units. Probably worth a read even though it's for
Linux.
cheers
Jules
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Kees Stravers <kees.stravers(a)iae.nl> wrote:
> I know the TU81+ is supposed to be connected to a KLESI
> controller. But can a TU81+ be connected to the TU80 controller (only doing
> 1600 then of course)?
I thought that TU80 had a Pertec formatted interface while TU81 (plus or not)
had LESI interface, i.e., two totally different interfaces. They are both CDC
Keystone tape transports and I think it's one board inside that provides the
interface and thus differs. But if you want to try swapping CDC Keystone logic
boards, you are on your own.
MS
I used to use this email account for another purpose. I had this email
account set for the "name" field to be "ssj152", in a misguided attempt to
maintain SOME privacy. I changed the name field back to "Stuart Johnson" and
posted this message to see if it comes out correctly.
Sorry for any confusion or "breach of etiquette" before.
Stuart Johnson
Folks --
Thought I'd continue my unreasonable begging from the previous note back to
Bill. I'd like to take on a little project of creating archival images of
S/36 media. I've made a duplicate of most of what I own on fresher 8"
stock. But I don't think that's a long term strategy for avoiding the
inevitable ravages of media corruption. What I had in mind was something
like a 'dd' dump of each disk that could be reloaded to fresh 8" media when
required. I haven't given this too much thought so bear with me.... I'm
working on a list of questions and puzzles to accomplish this goal.The
first obvious problem is media to hardware integration. If memory serves, I
read somewhere that IBM used an oddball disk format (Sellam, you might know
this). 8" Shuggart drives come on the market from time to time but, would
they, using low level drivers, be able to make a physical block by block
copy of IBM S/36 disk data? The second problem is hardware to hardware
integration. Has anyone had luck integrating a 8" drive with a more recent
machine? And what are the alternatives? I presume this could be done on DEC
hardware and then sent to any open platform over a network connection. Has
anyone gotten an 8" floppy operating under an Intel based Linux host. That
would seem the obvious media transfer station because of the wide range of
hardware compatibility. Once these first two steps are done, any basic disk
utility ought to make short work of creating binary dumps.
An alternative approach might be to copy the disks directly on the
System/36 host using platform native tools then sending the file across
some form of network connection. The problem is I haven't a clue how that
would need to be done. I've never read any low level API for S/36 as a
platform. IBM seems to have kept anything harware layer proprietary.
Any and all thoughts welcome. Thanks,
-Colin
ceby2(a)csc.com
Senior Consultant,
National Performance Engineeering Practice
CSC Consulting.
Interested in documentation, user guides, programmer manuals, brochures, advertisements, etc.
If someone actually has one or more of the hardware components that would be very interesting.
IBM announced it in 1971 with a big sale to Merrill Lynch that may never have been fully completed.
Thanks in advance, - Jim
Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc.
"It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!"
Interested in documentation, user guides, programmer manuals, brochures, advertisements, etc.
If someone actually has one or more of the hardware components that would be very interesting.
IBM announced it in 1971 with a big sale to Merrill Lynch that may never have been fully completed.
Thanks in advance, - Jim
Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc.
"It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!"
Thanks for all that asked for EPROMs - I think I could help about half of
you guys out. I still have *lots* more, but not many oddballs.
Anyway, I have a small pile of FPGAs - (6) Xilinx XC2018-70PC68C and (1)
Xilinx XC3042-70PC84C. Pulls, PLCCs, good leads.
Anyone need this pile for $6.00 - and that includes shipping ConUS! And
yes, I take Paypal.
I also have buckets of old Lattice GALs, if anyone wants them cheap, to
erase and reuse.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
Wow, what a day...
Today (erm, well, yesterday now), I have collected 2x HP1000 machines (c/w
4 free-standing disks & 1 line printer), one 700 (can't remember if that's
a HP1000 model or not), and a whole stack of tapes & disc packs &
documentation. Woohoo! Thanks Tim!
Sadly, we weren't able to save a 3rd HP1000, as the van was already showing
serious signs of being overloaded with the gear that was in there - backing
into my shed, it was actually running over its own mudflaps...
I forgot my digicam, so there's no pics yet. Hopefully, when I'm up north
next I'll take a few snaps (and try to get at least one of the boxes booted).
And now, I'm officially knackered, g'night!
--
Cheers, Ade.
Be where it's at, B-Racing!
http://b-racing.com
>----- Original Message -----
>Hello,
>
>Hey, my aunt and uncle were given a little old apple computer and I don't
think they use it at
>all. I don't know what model it is, but I know it's ancient. It has a
little tiny monitor
>with a green display. I think the brains of the computer are inside the
keyboard........like
>the old Commadore 64s. The disk drive might be inside the keyboard as
well. I only looked at
>it once and I wasn't really trying to find out what kind of computer it was
so I don't know
>much about it yet.
>
>If this computer sounds like it might be worth something to someone out
there, let me know and
>I can find out more about it. My aunt and uncle are having kind of hard
times because my
>uncle has been taken into the army and I'm quite sure they would be glad to
sell the computer
>to someone if it's worth something.
>
>~Shawn
Sounds like an Apple //c with the Monitor //c (monochrome monitor that Apple
sold for it). Not very rare or very valuable. Ebay has an auction for a
monitor //c (Item #2302608656), currently at $10.00 US. An Apple //c is also
for auction on eBay (item #2302671100), currently at $26.00 US. This will
give you a sense of the computer's worth. I am sure that a unit with lots of
accessories, software, etc. and in excellent condition, will bring more.
Stuart
Perhaps this is slightly off topic.. (If so, someone say something, and
I'll hush..)
I was down in the basement when I stumbled across my box of moldy old
software, (mostly pre-1995 IBM PC oriented stuff) and thought to myself,
"Hmmm, maybe I should put these up on a bookshelf instead of letting
them rot down here."
Anyways, upon pulling them out of said box, I noticed a number of the
boxes had become fairly squished/dented/etc.. (Next time pack them
better. :-/ )
Any body ever try to "restore" old software/computer boxes? Got any
tips?
Thanks,
David
hey folks,
I've just missed a great ebay auction for Multia spare parts, does anyone
have some multia accessories they might sell/trade? I'm looking mainly
for floppy drive with cable and pci riser card with 2.5" connection (and
external scsi cable).
My multia has also burned videocard, so eventually a whole multia box
(with the above included) might be of use as well. If your box doesn't
have battery or burned the chip on the botton (common problem, afaik),
this doesn't really matter, I'm able to fix this.
Thanks in advance,
--
freddy
...for more info 'finger freddy(a)kotol.kotelna.sk'
Hello,
I found your email on the web regarding this type of equipment. I have the following equipment available for sale. Equipment was recently deinstalled. It is OOS, working.
Let me know your interest.
IBM 3803 - Series 26371
IBM 3420 - Series 7746995
IBM 3420 - Series 7747435
IBM ES9000/3490-E - Series PE 000730
CPM 1455 - 02
CPM 1416 - 02
CPM 1416 - 02
CPM 1255 - 02
CPM DKU 2051U - 14
FUJITSU SU200 - 8820336
Thank you,
Rubens DeCarvalho.
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I have a VAX 11/750 machine with a TU80 controller in it. I also have a
TU81+ tape drive. I know the TU81+ is supposed to be connected to a KLESI
controller. But can a TU81+ be connected to the TU80 controller (only doing
1600 then of course)? And if not, does anyone have a Unibus KLESI for sale?
Kees.
--
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http://www.vaxarchive.org/http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/
On Jan 26, 9:43, Jay West wrote:
> >From a previous life, I have a perfectly fine working UPS. The brand
says
> "Inland - by ABI International". Model is "Probackup5000", part number is
> 19500. It has a DB9 serial port on the back for interfacing with a host
to
> notify it of loss of ac, impending shutdown, etc. However, I don't have
the
> software (for Windoze) that came with it.
>
> I've googled for hours, and can't come up with anything on this exact
unit.
> Would anyone happen to have windows software for it? As a last resort,
how
> standard is the DB9 pinout (IF I can find the pinout, no luck there
> either)... I'm wondering if I can use just about any UPS software for it.
Unlikely. However, it might be a standard serial port that you can hook a
terminal to, and see what happens. Other than that, I'd suggest a look at
the Network UPS Tools pages at http://www.exploits.org/nut/ I know it's
not Windows (though there's a client called WinNUT), but it will at least
give you an idea what to try and what to expect.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Short answer (top-posted, sorry): i have a kit and a readme somewhere
which allowes net.boot and net.install of Ultrix off any machine that
runs Unix. I even ported it to NT :) (just for phun, obviously).
Basically, you need:
- 200M disk space
- packet filter in kernel
- my new MOP Server
That'll boot anything, including the Ultrix install set.
Contact me offlist for more info.
--fred
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jones [mailto:classiccmp@crash.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 8:38 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Ultrix v4.3 install on mVaxII
>
>
> > I own two mVax, a mVax3100 and an mVaxII, [...]
> > Is there an alternative way to install it on the mVaxII ?
>
> You can setup an Ultrix machine with suitable disk space to be
> a Remote Installation Server (RIS), or is it referred to as the
> Remote Installation Service? Well anyway, there's a ton of steps
> in the Ultrix admin guides explaining how to set the box up as a
> bootp/tftp server, how to set up a filesystem with the Ultrix
> software "sets," et cetera. I don't think I have that binder
> around, but perhaps Google can help...
>
> This link will at least explain what RIS is and how it works,
> though the whole document is focused on setting up RIS on a box
> running Digital Unix:
>
> http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/HT
ML/AA-PS3LE-TE_html/sharing3.html
Sorry, in the time I've got I don't see any links for the actual
Ultrix OS installation guide. But that's what would walk you
through setting up an RIS server -- hopefully that tip will get
you a little closer.
Good luck,
--Steve.
> I own two mVax, a mVax3100 and an mVaxII, [...]
> Is there an alternative way to install it on the mVaxII ?
You can setup an Ultrix machine with suitable disk space to be
a Remote Installation Server (RIS), or is it referred to as the
Remote Installation Service? Well anyway, there's a ton of steps
in the Ultrix admin guides explaining how to set the box up as a
bootp/tftp server, how to set up a filesystem with the Ultrix
software "sets," et cetera. I don't think I have that binder
around, but perhaps Google can help...
This link will at least explain what RIS is and how it works,
though the whole document is focused on setting up RIS on a box
running Digital Unix:
http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/HTML/AA-PS3LE-T…
Sorry, in the time I've got I don't see any links for the actual
Ultrix OS installation guide. But that's what would walk you
through setting up an RIS server -- hopefully that tip will get
you a little closer.
Good luck,
--Steve.
Bob writes:
> So in a few evenings of spare time, and for a fairly small
> sum of money, you can have a huge, very reliable hard disk
> system hanging off of your chosen vintage machine.
>
> Ok, now I'm off to write a boot-loader for this crazy thing,
> and attempt my first ATA cold boot of HP-IPL/OS!
Way cool! Sounds similar to the project that interfaces an ATA
drive to the DEC Qbus! :)
Ey Bob... we want pictures!
--f
Bill --
I have most of the System/36 stuff... except the languages, sigh. You
wouldn't happen to have any of the SSP on 5.25" would you. I have a 5363
I've never successfully IPL'd . And while I'm turning your request for
assistance on its head... you wouldn't happen to want a 5360 would you? I
have one in need of a good home. I don't even have a garage so I'm paying
storage for the beast (2 tape drives, 2 printers, expanded main cabinet
with additional disk platters and the magazine version of the 8" floppy).
Maybe I can be more helpful if you have other S/36 needs in future. I have
a lot of the books and even a few already scanned to PDF.
While I'm begging, I don't suppose anyone out there has the Office suite
for S/36, or any interesting applications? Or maybe someone wants to be
free of a 5364 (a little easier on the electric bills than the 63, 62 or
60). My systems only have SSP, and I have a perverse desire to get some use
out of them.
-Colin
ceby2(a)csc.com
Senior Consultant,
National Performance Engineeering Practice
CSC Consulting.
On Jan 23, 9:03, Joe wrote:
> At 08:56 PM 1/21/03 GMT, pete wrote:
> >I was wondering about excess pressure the other day. I thought about a
> >pressure switch to shut off the motor, but they seem to be quite
expensive.
> > Or am I just looking in the wrong places?
> I don't know about the UK but such switches are readily available in
the US. They're used for controlling the pumps on individual household
water wells.
I don't know about the UK either ;-) but that seems like a useful tip.
Thanks!
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I have not contacted this person so I don't know where it is. As always,
respond to them if interested.
Reply-to: HrrssA(a)aol.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:39:49 EST
From: HrrssA(a)aol.com
Subject: donate
I have a MAC SE ala 1986. Printer. Carrying case. Lots of SW. Still purrs.
Any interest contact Andy Harriss at Hrrssa(a)aol.com.
Thank you
--
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This is probably OffTopic(tm), but I thought folks here might be able to
point me in the right direction.
>From a previous life, I have a perfectly fine working UPS. The brand says
"Inland - by ABI International". Model is "Probackup5000", part number is
19500. It has a DB9 serial port on the back for interfacing with a host to
notify it of loss of ac, impending shutdown, etc. However, I don't have the
software (for Windoze) that came with it.
I've googled for hours, and can't come up with anything on this exact unit.
Would anyone happen to have windows software for it? As a last resort, how
standard is the DB9 pinout (IF I can find the pinout, no luck there
either)... I'm wondering if I can use just about any UPS software for it.
Any advice?
THANKS!
Jay West
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I ran across the unopened box today at a Salvation Army thrift.
First, is there any reason to leave it unopened? It's not all that
rare, is it?
Second, this box is marked "IBM PC or Tandy 1000", but on the back it
has features listed as "Macintosh, Macintosh II, Apple IIGS, Amiga, and
Atari ST" only. Does this box include all those versions?
Doc
I might, I'll have to check.. I know I have COBOL and SSP and some other
crud...
Will J
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On Jan 25, 17:52, James Rice wrote:
> You need to edit your resolv.conf file to something like this:
>
> hostresorder local bind
>
> domain charter.net
>
> nameserver 151.164.1.8
> nameserver 151.164.11.209
> nameserver 192.168.1.6
> If you don't have a resolv.conf file then use nedit to creat one. You
> may not need three entries. The first two in mine are my ISP's
> nameserver, the third one is the DNS server on my employers net that I
> am VPN'ed into so I can administer it from home. This is from my Indy
> running 6.5.x
You only need one, but you can put in up to three. The hostresorder line
isn't used, though -- it's a hangover from earlier versions and will be
ignored in Irix 6.2 and upwards. What you need is an entry in
/etc/nsswitch.conf, with the lines
hosts: files dns
ipnodes: files dns
Most software uses the functions that use the hosts line, some uses
ipnodes.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Jan 26, 0:21, Doc Shipley wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Brian Chase wrote:
>
> > IRIX 6.5 supports pretty much everything from Indys up through their
> > big Origin servers. I don't recall precisely where the cut-off is with
> > support of the older systems. Certainly not any of the R3000 based
> > ones, but I don't remember if the older straight R4000 Indigo2s were or
> > not, but I know that the R5000 Indys and the R4400 Indigo2s are
> > supported--probably the R4600 Indys too--and basically everything more
> > recent than those.
>
> R4000 and R4600 Indys are supported, meaning the R4k Indigo2 ought to
> be.
6.5 supports R4000 Indigo, all Indigo^2, all Indy, and anything later. A
Crimson needs 5.3 or 6.2, not 6.5. An R3000 Indigo needs 5.3 or earlier.
Actually, some of the older smaller machines run better with 5.3, but you
need a big collection of patches, some of which are hard to find on SGI's
"new improved" web site right now.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hi,
To get back to computers for a change...
While looking for some op-amp chips earlier I came across a
couple of 8751s (labelled Intel '80). A quick google search
failed to turn up a data sheet, anyone any ideas where I can
look?
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
>> all the ibm languages were available for the sys/34
>> and i have all of them basic,cobol,rpgii and fortran.
>
>Somewhat of a brash statement, as PL/I and APL were also
>"IBM languages". :-)
Sheesh... seeing the languages listed out... its like playing thru the
levels of TRON :-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I have asked in the past about a replacement card for my HP LJ-IIID
with little success (they are apparently somewhat rare). Several
people offered me ones that did not physically fit. Well now, I
have a *newer* old HP printer, an HP LJ-IIISi that takes the square
interface cards with the white/grey 3-row connector. Unfortunately,
the printer I got from OSU surplus (which seems to print just fine)
only has this truely ancient C2059A integral print server - no serial
or parallel, Novell only. :-( Worse, the firmware is particularly
obsolete and deprecated by HP.
So... if anyone has a spare interface card, I'm interested. Two, in
fact; one for me and one for a friend who needs to hook another IIISi
to his OS X Mac. The printer is on-topic (mine was manufactured in 1991)
at least.
Let me know cost/part numbers/etc off-list.
Thanks,
-ethan
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I haven't seen this announced here, so for those of you who
don't read alt.folklore.computers, Al Kossow has made available
a scanned copy of the Manual of Operation for the Harvard
Mark I. It's at:
http://www.spies.com/aek/pdf/harvard/MarkI_operMan_1946.pdf
Be forewarned, however, it's big-about 43Meg.
I have a real soft spot for this one. Back in college, I
was wandering the library stacks one day looking for something
interesting. A book caught my eye. It was a black hardbound
book about 2 inches thich with the simple title Manual of
Operation. Of course, my curiosity was piqued; I just had
to take a look. I'd never heard of the Mark I, but I was
absolutly enthralled. I credit that find with much of my
interest in the history of computing.
By the way, anyone know of an emulator for the Mark I?
Brian L. Stuart
after reading the subject line, i thought the article
was going to be about sledge hammers or making them
into wet bars (yes on the web - someone has made a vax
rack into a wet bar).
all the ibm languages were available for the sys/34
and i have all of them basic,cobol,rpgii and fortran.
i even have diag and ssp (system support program,
ibm's os for sys3x)
the two sys34's i have both have bad control storage
cards - a typical problem with 5 years in cold
storage.
otherwise i would be playing with them and not this
basic less sys/36.
the ssp and all languages for the sys/34 are not
compatable with the 36.
i did find the 3270 emulator for the 34 and i may have
pc support for the 34 - i know i have both for the 36.
i found out that one of my 34's came from the local
collage - which explains the "funtime" diskettes.
they are programs is basic that have printfiles for
many "pic's" and football and other text based games.
Bill
Message: 42
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: strange things to do with your IBM System/3x
(was Re: ibm
sys/36 5360 basic needed)
From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
> I might, I'll have to check.. I know I have COBOL
and SSP and some
other
> crud...
When I was in junior high school, my friend Doug got a
job working on
RPG
code on a System/34. In his spare time, he translated
ADVENT [*] from
PDP-10 Fortran to RPG II [**] to run on the System/34.
I don't know if there existed a Fortran compiler for
the System/34, but
if there was, his employer apparently didn't have it.
COBOL would
actually be a more reasonable language [***] into
which to translate
ADVENT, and there was a System/34 COBOL compiler.
All of the text-handling code in ADVENT is
non-portable, because back
then
FORTRAN didn't have reasonable support for arrays of
characters. The
number of characters that would pack into any given
numeric type was
implementation-dependent. On the PDP-10, that was
five 7-bit ASCII
characters per 36-bit word, with one bit left over.
I think Fortran 77 fixed this problem, by defining an
actual CHARACTER
type.
Unfortunately I haven't been in touch with Doug in
over twenty years
now; I have no idea whether he still has a copy of his
RPG ADVENT.
Which is a shame, because it would be nice to try it
with the
Eraseerhead RPG II compiler, which is GPL'd:
http://rpg.eraserhead.net/
Eric
[*] The original Colossal Cave Adventure game by
Crowther and Woods,
written in Fortran for the DEC PDP-10. Named
"ADVENT" because
the TOPS-10 operating system only allows for
six-character
filenames
in SIXBIT code, which does not include lower case.
[**] Or maybe it was RPG III. I don't really know
what was available
on the System/34 back in the late 1970s.
[***} I'll bet you never expected to see "COBOL" and
"reasonable
language"
in the same sentence, without an "isn't" between
them. :-) Now
I'm
not saying that I *like* COBOL, but there are
definitely some
things
that it is better-suited for than Fortran IV.
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Fred N. van Kempen <Fred.van.Kempen(a)microwalt.nl> wrote:
> - select the correct tape boot blocks
> (MT, TK etc)
Not for 4.3BSD-QJ0a. You simply write the stand file from my distribution on
the tape as the first file with 512-byte records. There is only one tape
distribution for all machines and flavors.
> - grab the correct kernel and/or RAM disk image
Neither for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus (or for any Berkeley distribution ever made for
that matter).
MS
Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote:
> Well, I had to use some programm to write the tapes, dd(1), maketape, or
> somthing else. I made good experiences with maketape to write 2.11BSD
> tapes, so I stayed with it and it worked very well.=20
>
> [...]
>
> The same for dd(1). There may some implementation differences in dd(1),
> say on SunOS or AIX, that may produce unusable tapes. Therefore I used
> maketape. I had a glance at the code and it seams that it does
> everything proper on every UNIX and Unix-like OS.
> Don't forget the chicken-egg problem. If I have no 4.3BSD-Quasijarus
> running, I have to use some random foreign OS to produce distribution
> tapes. (Or I have to bother somone else to do it for me.)
But dd is a standard general-purpose tool, as opposed to a highly specialized
program for installing 2.11BSD.
> I learnd that the bs=3D parameter of dd doesn't set the block size of the
> tape with an ioctl, it is only the buffersize parameter that is used in
> the write(2) syscall.=20
On every system I have used the sizes of records written on tapes are
determined precisely by how much you write with one write or writev syscall, no
ioctl needed. But if some weird system does require a special syscall, I can
bet that dd on *that* system will make it. On each system its native dd utility
will always do the right thing, as opposed to some special program ripped out
of a 2.11BSD distribution and used for something it was never intended for (to
write dist tapes for a completely different OS).
MS
Hi,
I have an old Grundy Newbrain AD computer which doesn't work. The
machine powers up with random chars in the built in anode display, but
doesn't respond to keypresses. I used the machine some 20 years ago, and
when I put it away at that time it was ok.
I've checked the voltages at the 4116 RAM's and they are ok (+5, +12 and
-5 volts). The ripple is also within reasonable limits.
I don't have the schema for the machine so right new I'm pretty lost.
Is anyone able to help me out? If so, please answer directly at my email
address.
Regards,
Torben Ring
DENMARK
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Subject: Apple II e
I have an Apple II e, dual disk drive, monitor, original packing boxes,
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in their plastic wrap. I am interested in selling them. Are you interested?
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> > > Yes. Use maketape from the 2.11BSD distribution.
> > I strongly advise against this approach.
> Well, I had to use some programm to write the tapes, dd(1),
> maketape, or somthing else.
Indeed.
There is *nothing* magical about making tapes from selected files.
What you have to keep in mind are:
- select the correct tape boot blocks
(MT, TK etc)
- grab the correct kernel and/or RAM disk image
- use the right blocksize for the above "file" (usually 512bytes)
For the remaining files on the tape, blocksizes vary between OSes,
and can be anywhere between 512 (old systems) and 10K (UNIX tar
files). The key issue is to generate a magtape file marker between
the individual files, so the tape handling software knows where a
file ends.
The block size and tape marker generation are done correctly by the
Maketape program. If you want to do it manually:
- grab the first ("bootable") file for the tape, and dd it to the
tape:
dd if=bootfile.img of=/dev/ntape bs=512
this copies "bootfile.img" to the tape, using a block size of 512
bytes, and when done, it will write a tape mark and **NOT** rewind
the tape ("ntape" - can be /dev/nrst0, /dev/nrmt0h, /dev/ntk0, etc.)
- copy the other files to the tape:
dd if=nextfile.foo of=/dev/ntape bs=10240
which copies "nextfile.foo" to the tape, using a block size of 10240
bytes (common for UNIX tar files) and when done, writes the tape mark,
and NOT rewind.
- when done, write a tape mark and rewind the tape:
mt -f /dev/ntape weof
mt -f /dev/ntape rewind
where the first command (Write EOF) is optional, as most UNIX systems
do this automatically when rewinding a tape in write mode.
This creates a magtape in the right format for booting. Tools like the
Maketape program do this as well, based on a small description file which
tells it what goes where and such.
> > dd if=stand of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=512
> I learnd that the bs= parameter of dd doesn't set the block
> size of the tape with an ioctl, it is only the buffersize
> parameter that is used in the write(2) syscall.
Correct. The 'dd' program **does not** set the physical block
size of the tape device, as it is a generic block/deblock tool,
and has no knowledge of devices whatsoever.
It sets the block buffer size(s), on which the READ(2) and WRITE(2)
system calls are based, which in turn tell the tape device driver
what the block size is to be. This only works in the "raw" mode of
tape devices, by the way- always use the 'r' device file of a tape
unit when doing the above.
Cheers,
Fred
Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote:
> Yes. Use maketape from the 2.11BSD distribution.
I strongly advise against this approach. I will not provide any help or support
to any user attempting to bootstrap 4.3BSD-Quasijarus from tapes written by
this method. 4.3BSD-Quasijarus isn't 2.11BSD, and one cannot expect the tools
>from some random foreign OS to produce correct distribution tapes for 4.3BSD-
Quasijarus.
> You have to observe the
> correct block sizes, that you can't do with dd.
Yes you can. dd bs=blocksize. Here is the sequence of commands to write a
4.3BSD-Quasijarus 1600 BPI distribution:
(mount the first reel)
dd if=stand of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=512
dd if=miniroot of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=20b
dd if=rootdump of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=20b
dd if=usr.tar of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=20b
mt rew
(first reel done)
(mount the second reel)
dd if=srcsys.tar.Z of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=20b
dd if=src.tar.Z of=/dev/nrmt0h bs=20b
(second reel done)
MS
Hi all,
It seems like I am going to end up tading for cash :) This will make it
easier on everybody and it seems like nobody wants to get rid of their
interesting items.
I will be putting pictures on my serve this week end anyone interested in
welcome to ask me for the address. I will be listing the documentation that
I have and any original floppy (if any).
Interested parties should contact me before the end of the day sunday (+/- 1
earth revolution :)
Funny people with a $5 offer will be actively ignored :)
Thank you.
Francois
>If you mean me, my AXPpci33 upgrade was successful (but just in case
>I've missed something, what version did you find?) If you mean someone
>else, then I'll just go back to minding my own business.
It might have been you...
Anyway, the image I produced is bootable from the SRM console and
delivers a V4.something, if I remember correctly, which is the last
version of the console firmware for the AXPpci33... it came from a
V6 (or later) CD...
Megan