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I saw you post 12-17-02 about Intel 1602

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi One should note that the programming of the A parts is different than the non-A parts. The manual shown has the specs for the non-A parts ( these are really rare ). Most are either 1708A, 8708A or 4708A parts that are found now days. Signal wise, I believe that the non-A and A parts are similar. They made very few of the non-A parts. Dwight >From: "Vettore Massimo MARPD EDP" <massimo.vettore(a)zf.com> > >You could find information on Intel 8702A at the IMSAI web site >http://www.imsai.net/support/support.htm >look at Intel 8080 Microcomputer Systems User's Manual part 2 >or straight >http://www.imsai.net/support/device_specs/Intel8080Manual-2.pdf >go to page 56 > >Regards >Max > >----- Original Message ----- >Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 00:51:50 -0600 >From: Alex Welti <lxwelti(a)comcast.net> >Subject: I saw you post 12-17-02 about Intel 1602 >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > >>I have been handed down a room full of electronics - my >>brother-in-law's father passed away - and I am the nearest relative who >>has a career in electronics, so... I am spending my evenings going >>through and identifing parts, most of which I am familiar with and have >>datasheets on. However, I can't find anything on these i C8702A. A >>web search brought me to your posting. I am hoping you have a datasheet >>or know where I should go to find one. >> >>Thanks, >>Alex

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Things FS (dec, ncd, sun, chips), and Info requested

by pat＠purdueriots.com

First, the question. Look for "SELLING" below for what I have 'for sale'. I've managed to pick up a TECMAR, Inc. "LAB TENDER COMP" card for the IBM PC (8bit ISA interface) but I don't have any docs on it. There's a total of 5 34pin headers on the card, a bunch of 7400 seris logic, an AM9513, AM8255A-5, 5xTL084CJ, 4xHEF4051BP chips, and 3x8switch dip-switches. Does anyone know what this is and/or have software/docs for it? SELLING + Digital SC008-AB, one with an "A" and one with a "B" on it, has many (maybe 20) TNC Jacks monted on it, some with 'terminators' on it. Does anyone know what this is? I'm intrigued by it. $5 each + shipping + Digital M8210 - 32kW (72bit words) MOS memory for a VAX-11/780. It's still sealed in an anti-static bag, so I assume it's in excellent condition. $5 + shipping + NCD 19c Xterminal, no cables. Uses a sync-on-green monitor, does color, has AUI/10Base2 network connectors, uses standard PS/2 style keyboard and a 9pin serial (pc-like) mouse. ** Based off of Motorola 88100 processor ** $10 + shipping + 4 x Sun SparcStation 5, 64MB RAM, CG6 framebuffer, 2GB Seagate ST32550WC hard drive. These are working, but don't have an OS installed for licensing reasons. I can install Debian Linux (base install) on them if interested (for free!). $15 each + shipping, also have some parts (lots of CG6's), email if interested. + 6 x Sun SparcStation 5 power supplies (PN 300-1215-02): ratings are +5V @ 25A, +12V @ 2.3A(Max 4A), -12V @ 0.25A max continuous 150.2W, max output <15sec 174.2W $5 each + shipping + Not really classic, but I've got a lot of RJ45->DE9-F cisco console cables, and 48VDC, 0.3A table-top 'wall wart' power supplies. I figured that they might be of some use to list readers, and wanted to do this before they go onto eBay. $5 for one + shipping, or make me an offer for >1. + VME Boards - have socketed chips that are re-usable: PE/IO: 1 x MC68881RC15A - math coprocessor 1 x MC68901P 2 x MC68230P10 - 68k 'parallel port' chip 1 x PAL16R4CN -\ 1 x PAL14L4NC --+- does anyone know if they're erasable? 1 x PAL16R6NC -/ 2 x D8293 --\ 1 x P8291A ---+-- Intel GPIB chips parallel ports: 2 x MC68230P10 n x 74LS00 series logic IC's net interface: 2 x MC68230P10 n x 74LS00 series logic IC's DMA interface: n x 74LS00 series logic IC's 68010 board: 1 x MC68010L10 4 x KM6264L-15 8k x 8 150ns SRAM 4 x M5L2764 8k x 8 EPROM 1 x 5.0688MHz oscillator 68000 board: mostly same as the 68010 board, except with MC68000P8 instead I also have a couple of prototyping (wire-wrap) VME boards. You can see everything I have at http://purdueriots.com/mvme/ including (fuzzy) pictures of the boards. I'd like to get $5 per board + shipping to recuperate my costs. I can do cheaper for large quantites. ** The CPU boards have custom-developed console 'debuggers' that use the RS-232 port on the CPU card as a console. They *require* that a PE/IO board be connected to the VME bus in order to 'initialize'. You could, of course get around this by replacing the ROMs. If (when) I get multiple offers, I'll try to choose fairly who gets the stuff, or divide it up if there's multiple people interested Thanks for listening! Pat Lafayette, IN, USA 47904 -- Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

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MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 6, 0:53, Tony Duell wrote: > I've had far too many problems with the normal moulded cables -- things > like marginally-rated cable (certainly not 6A), earth not properly > connected, live/neutral reversed, no strain relief, and so on that I now > refuse to use them (and am grdually replacing all the ones here). I've rarely had any problem, but then I'm generally reusing cables sthat have been tested, and tend not to exceed the ratings. > > The second version is a little larger, has the pins at right angles to > > the pins in the 10A version, and is rated 16A. > > If that's the one I think it is, it doesn't have 2 of the corners cut off > -- the connector is rectangular with rounded corners (all 4 the same). Yes, I should have mentined that. > What is the connector like the normal 'kettle plug' with round pins? I've > only ever seen it in the chassis socket/cable plug configuration. Dunno -- that might be one of the Bulgin range? Or do you mean one in which the housing also looks a bit like three cylinders welded together, instead of a rectangular block with corners cut off? That's also an IEC connector, rated 2.5A. I've seen a couple of laptop power suplies with those. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Rainbow Enthusiasts

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

For those who have the Rainbow bug... Jeff Armstrong is putting his Rainbow site up again. The URL is http://www.classiccmp.org/rainbow Right now there is just an annoucement page, the real content should be there sometime saturday Enjoy! Jay West

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Reply to: OT: PowerBook G3 parts

by nerdware＠ctgonline.org

Yep. Go to www.powerbookguy.com and browse his site. I bought several things from him when I was refurbishing the Wallstreet I was given, and he was very friendly and helpful. Paul ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS: Hello, I just got a bronze keyboard (Lombard) G3 powerbook, sans cdrom drive, battery, and AC adapter. Does anyone have parts for this machine or know of a good source to get them from? - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

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Strainge VAXserver 2000 card?

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, A strange find today, in the pile of stuff-to-figure-out. See attached pictures. Its one of those little option cards that fit in the VS2000's "pizzabox" expansion unit. I have two of these machines, both have the box. One of the machines is a VAXserver 2000 (!), and that one had this card. One single flatcable going to the machine's mainboard (connector on the side of the mainboard, above the power supply) and it has the usual DEC 3-row connector on the outside faceplate. What's this? Serial line expander of some sort? The X.25 thing I heard about? Larger pictures available at 1600x1280 and 1280x1024. Cheers, Fred [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VS2000-OPT-1_SM.JPG] [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VS2000-OPT-2_SM.JPG]

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Your Word 4.0 for Mac disks?

by mailsend＠juno.com

"Lawrence LeMay" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>, lemay(a)cs.umn.edu SUBJECT: Your Word 4.0 for Mac disks? Dear Mr. LeMay, Do you still have the Word 4.0 for Mac available? We read your posting from 2001, May, at this URL: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2002-May/000582.html How many bucks do you want for it? We need just one set, please. We already own Word 3.0 for Mac and need this for compatibility to receive a few documents >from others for study. Thank you very much. A student Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

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OT/Admin: tags

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

All, Although this has come up a few times already, I am going to bring it up again. Come kick my butt if you don't like it :) Given the volume of the list, and the many off-topic (lets not discuss what is and is not on-topic here) talk, I would like to propose [again] that we do like other lists do: insert a tag [cctalk] in the Subject: line of the postings, so it's easy to distinguis the postings from other, perhaps more pressing e-mail. Selecting/filtering based on sender address doesn't work well for all clients, and depends on the ability to use processing rules in the first place. As said, most lists out there already use this technique, it's been accepted more or less as a standard, so can we *please* use something like this ? I don't want to start Yet Another Discussion, a mere vote would do, as we're all techies who know what this is about. Cheers, Fred

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Same seller, more HP stuff on ebay

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The same seller that didn't sell his HP2000 system on ebay (and relisted it), is also auctioning separately an HP3030 tape drive that appears to be in great condition cosmetically. Nice piece of history! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3400167260&category=1479

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FS: Linus write top computer

by dan.stanger＠ieee.org

It is complete with docs and carrying case. Please make a offer +shipping from Denver, CO 80222. Thanks, Dan Stanger

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386

by mhstein＠canada.com

--------------------Original Message--------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:53:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: "bluegenie" <bluegenie(a)ntlworld.com> Subject: 386 I am after some baby at 286/386/486 motherboards of size aprox 8 3/4 inches x 6 3/4 inches Can you help Graham Challis ---------------------------------------------------------- I have three, 8.7 x 6.9 inches, all with manuals (no memory or batteries): 1 x SER386-AS, 386SX33, 6x16bit ISA slots, max 16Mb 2 x UNI-386WB, 386DX40, 5x16bit+1x8bit ISA slots, max 128Mb (one with 387 coprocessor) Contact me off-list if you're interested. mike in Toronto, Canada mhstein at canada dot com ---------------------------------------- PS: Silly me; hit "send" before putting mind in gear: Although there are no batteries (to prevent leakage damage) or memory on these boards in their packages, I can certainly supply both if needed, as well as pretty well any I/O cards you might need. <Another dent in forehead from excessive smacking>

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386

by mhstein＠canada.com

--------------------Original Message--------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:53:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: "bluegenie" <bluegenie(a)ntlworld.com> Subject: 386 I am after some baby at 286/386/486 motherboards of size aprox 8 3/4 inches x 6 3/4 inches Can you help Graham Challis ---------------------------------------------------------- I have three, 8.7 x 6.9 inches, all with manuals (no memory or batteries): 1 x SER386-AS, 386SX33, 6x16bit ISA slots, max 16Mb 2 x UNI-386WB, 386DX40, 5x16bit+1x8bit ISA slots, max 128Mb (one with 387 coprocessor) Contact me off-list if you're interested. mike in Toronto, Canada mhstein at canada dot com

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looking for a COMPUTE! issue

by writer＠halfhill.com

Charles, Yes, I believe I have a complete set of COMPUTE! back issues from the time I was there (1982-88). They are packed away in boxes. I wouldn't be willing to part with an entire issue, but I might be persuaded to find and photocopy a specific article, if somebody really wants it badly. Knowing the date of the issue would be a big help. If the goal is to find a program, not necessarily an article, I suggest looking for it on the web first. There are several web sites and groups that keep archives of programs for old computers. This would save the trouble of typing in the program listing. Tom -- Tom R. Halfhill writer(a)halfhill.com http://www.halfhill.com Charles Brannon wrote: > > Thanks for the compliment and the chuckle. Yup, I was asking my old > friend Tom Halfhill. Nice to know we still have fans out there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Arnott [mailto:jrasite@eoni.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:55 AM > To: charles(a)brannon.com > Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: looking for a COMPUTE! issue]]] > > LOL... > > Cute kid! Lisa says thanks for the pic. > > Thanks Charles. > > Warmest regards. > > Jim > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: looking for a COMPUTE! issue]] > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:28:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> > To: jrasite(a)eoni.com > > > Well? > > ?!? You spoke to *Charles Brannon*?! He's your *nephew*?! > > Excuse me while I collect my jaw from the floor ... *click*. > > Next you're going to tell me that the "Tom" in his reply is Tom > Halfhill. :-P > > I'm after the entire magazine if I can get it (Sellam says he might have > a spare -- he's looking), but I will let you know ASAP. > > Appreciated (and rather impressed), > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > -- You've got to have a gimmick if your band sucks. -- Gary Giddens > ----------- > > .

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Atari ST Help

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I have my original Atari ST 512 still... It's been a trouper and I'd like to use it again.. So, I'm looking for help with the following: 1. It has an AERCO Easie-ST Ram upgrade board in it, that is no longer recognized. This board will use 1mb x 8 chips to take the system to 4mb (which is max for this machine). I lost my manual, and it isn't working anymore. I know it's a long shot, but does anyone have the manual for this, or can point me to where I can get a RAM upgrade for this old machine? 2. I'd like to throw an 80mb SCSI External drive I have on it, so I'm looking for a SCSI Adapter for an ST. $100 + s/h for a new(?) one from one of the remaining dealers is a bit steep... Does anyone know of a cheaper source for one, or have an old Atari Drive with a bad mechanism I can buy to salvage the adapter? Regards, Al Hartman P.S.: I have a paper tray for an HP IIIp printer (but not the actual mechanism to use it) if someone is still looking for one.

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OT, but couldn't resist

by mhstein＠canada.com

Couldn't resist sharing this: If Microsoft had been the first to invent books: 1. Before you can open the cover of your new book, you must obtain a book activation code by phoning Microsoft. 2. Sorry, only one person may ever read your book. 3. It's full of spelling mistakes and typos. 4. When you're reading your book, the words can mysteriously disappear. 5. Libraries, which are for sharing books, are illegal. 6. You must acknowledge you have read and understood the Book License Agreement Hype (BLAH) before you can read your book. 7. Microsoft has the right to enter your premises to conduct book inspections to make sure your book is being read in accordance with the BLAH. 8. The Book Users' Group General Alliance (BUGGA) calculates that the annual loss of revenues to Microsoft arising from BLAH violations in 2001 was $10.97 billion. 9. There are two versions of your book - the "Standard" and the "Pro" versions. In the standard version, those pages containing the most useful information have been stuck together. 10. Confidential information is inexplicably in bigger type that can be easily read by anyone glancing over your shoulder.

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Prehistoric CAD system...

by bones＠northrock.bm

In the mid-1980's I lived in Lowell, MA and my then wife (and briefly, myself) worked for a circuit board design company. Their primary CAD system was a PDP-11 based system from a company called, I believe, Telesys. It was a very good system from my recollection; it used a dual-display concept which was very efficient and had extremely good performance. The actual design consoles looked a lot like arcade video game consoles. There was a small monochrome CRT on the lower panel which displayed menus which one used a light pen to navigate through, and which was also used for drawing. One saw the results in "realtime" on the larger colour screen, all very sharp. Does anyone here have any more info on these. I do recall this being a *very* good system, but I can't find mention in my web searches. Thanks, Dennis "Come all ye roving minstrels And together we will try To raise the spirit of the Earth And move the rolling Sky"

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scanning microfiche

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

Brian Knittel and I have a few hundred fiche of IBM documentation and code relating to the 1130 (http://ibm1130.org). This is tens of thousands of pages that we'd love to get into a digital form -- in particular we want to get a few fiche done FAST because Brian borrowed them from someone else who won an interesting set at auction recently. My attempts to scan them with an Epson 2450 Photo have been unsatisfactory, apparently mostly because of slight focus issues that only become apparent at the highest resolutions, and I've started to believe that we need to use a real microfiche scanner to do the job. Unfortunately they're way expensive, and I can't think of buying one ... and service bureaus charge by the page, about $.10 per page to be exact. We need a cheaper option. So ... does anyone know of a fiche scanner that occasionally sits unused, that we could use? Or, does anyone have any better ideas? Thanks, Norm Aleks

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6502 fans - the SBC-2 is about to have another run - order boards now!

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

For those who haven't been to http://65c02.tripod.com/ , the SBC-2 is a single-board 6502 with the following onboard: > > BTW, I haven't ordered parts yet (been swamped with stuff since I got > > laid off). The 6502 board I was mentioning is called the SBC-2. It's > > home is http://65c02.tripod.com/home.html I've been talking to Daryl > > and he has interest for 3 at the moment (including my 2, I think). If > > I haven't mentioned it to you, one of my goals is to hook a G321D LCD > > display to the SBC-2 and use it as a VT52 emulator for the SBC6120. > > Both are 100% CMOS. The G321D needs -24VDC, so I'll probably go with > > the DC-DC converter recommended by one of the project pages and use > > that to drive everything. It kicks out 3A @ +5VDC plus enough -24VDC > > to drive the G321D. Should run a flash card or a 2.5" IDE drive, too.

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Is there such a thing as a ZIF socket for PLCC chips?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Something like a prebuilt 32-pin DIP -> 32-pin PLCC adapter wired 1:1 at http://www.emulation.com lists for $110. P/N AS-32-32-01P-3YAM-LN on their webstie. You can get PLCC ZIF sockets from http://www.arieselec.com One of their products is a universal 20-pin to 84-pin PLCC ZIF socket, P/N 84-537-21, which goes for $150 at http://www.mouser.com (plus $12 each for the various sized inserts). >From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Is there such a thing as a ZIF socket for PLCC chips? >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:49:01 -0800 (PST) > >I am needing to burn PLCC-packaged chips in my DIP programmer. I >expect I need to locate a PLCC<->DIP adapter of the right size >(for 29C010 and 28F101 Flash chips, at the moment). Thinking about it >made me wonder if any of the sockets were ZIF or LIF. > >Any ideas? Any recommendation on a source for adapters? > >Thanks, > >-ethan

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I saw you post 12-17-02 about Intel 1602

by massimo.vettore＠zf.com

You could find information on Intel 8702A at the IMSAI web site http://www.imsai.net/support/support.htm look at Intel 8080 Microcomputer Systems User's Manual part 2 or straight http://www.imsai.net/support/device_specs/Intel8080Manual-2.pdf go to page 56 Regards Max ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 00:51:50 -0600 From: Alex Welti <lxwelti(a)comcast.net> Subject: I saw you post 12-17-02 about Intel 1602 To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >I have been handed down a room full of electronics - my >brother-in-law's father passed away - and I am the nearest relative who >has a career in electronics, so... I am spending my evenings going >through and identifing parts, most of which I am familiar with and have >datasheets on. However, I can't find anything on these i C8702A. A >web search brought me to your posting. I am hoping you have a datasheet >or know where I should go to find one. > >Thanks, >Alex

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Data Conversion, Inc DT2861-60Hz available

by red＠bears.org

I have in my grubby paws a Data Conversion, Inc. ISA boardset that anybody on the list may have for 1.2x the cost of shipping it. Model DT2861-60Hz, plus unknown model daughterboard with a bunch of memory on, plus DT2878-4 with TI DSP on. Board has DA-15M and DE-9M connectors. It is surplus from Boeing, in Kent, WA. The manufacturer is still in business and probably will still send you software, though the option isn't there on their website. http://www.datx.com I'm throwing the boards away if nobody takes them. ok r.

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scanning microfiche

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I own a scanner capable of scanning 'fiche... It scans up to 19,200dpi.. The problem is that it is on the second floor of the building my work is in, and it weighs 1,450 pounds or so... It also needs a new optical drive. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Gathering Classic Computer Info

by patrick＠evocative.com

Judging from the level of disagreement on many recent topics, it appears that we all need a distraction! :-) I would like to solicit your help. As part of my research for a project that will benefit this Classic Computer Community, I am trying to assemble an exhaustive database of companies who manufactured what is now classic computer hardware and software. For the moment, I am focusing only on hardware. Software will be the next project. I am seeking to bring together a small part of your collective knowledge and expertise. I have built a simple web page that will collect the names of manufacturers and products. Please go to http://gatekeeper.evocative.com:8080/research and dump your brain! All manufacturers and products are fair game, and in fact, the more obscure the better. Please accept my apologies in advance for the simplistic (crude) interface, but this is simply a data collection exercise and I did not waste much time on flourish. When the project is complete, this data will be cleaned up and made available to anyone who cares to have it. This data will not be sold, it will be free. The site does not collect any personal information; your submissions are completely anonymous. Thanks in advance for your help! Patrick KIM-1 * North Star Horizon * Heath ET-3400 * Rockwell AIM-65 * Heath/Zenith H/Z-88/9 P.S. I'm sure I've missed a plethora of categories; please email me your suggestions using the link on that page.

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Request for help with a PDP 11/73

by chu＠verizon.net

I just bought a PDP 11/73, but unfortunately UPS dropped it on the way. So I am trying to what ever documentation and diagnostics that I can locate to figure out how badly it was damaged. The mounts for the tape drive and disk drive were broken as well as all of the external plastic. The machine powers up and goes through some self diagnostics, stopping with the LED's reading "01". The disk drive stays quite and unlit, my conclusion was that it appears dead. I am looking for any help that I can get. TIA, Dave Chu

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AU subscribers Newsletter (fwd again) (fwd)

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

I got this message on one of the Commodore mailing lists. This may arrive too late, but may be of (significant) interest to Commodore and Amiga folks. Hello, Commodorians, The following has not been verified yet, but it seems that Centsible Software, the largest vendor of C= and Amiga software, might be the target of an unfriendly buy-out, unfriendly meaning that the new owner has no concern for the C=/Ami community. Read on and decide, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://videocam.net.au/fcug ====================================================================== ________ _________ ____ _|__ __ __|_______ _________ __\ _____ \\\\ \_ _/ //___// _____//______\ _____ \\ // \\\\ /. \\\\__ \/ __// \\ \\____. /// \\\\ /. \\ \\___\O /___///___\ /___\ \\_________//\\___\O /___// O \/ O O \/. |O O|z!o O O \/ O A M I G A | 030204 | U P D A T E |________| "SO THE WORLD MAY KNOW" ====================================================================== AMIGA and the Amiga logo are trademarks of Amiga, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- C E N T S I B L E B U Y O U T H E L P R E Q U E S T C E N T S I B L E B U Y O U T U P D A T E Editor's Thoughts and Introduction: We received the following notes from Bill Griffin too late to include in the last issue. As a well known member of the Amiga community, we would have included at least the first note in the issue had we seen it in time. We are treating this as a news item, not as an endorsement on our part of Bill's requests. If you choose to participate, it is your decision and at your own risk, as is the case in any business arangement. We have carried offers from Amiga Inc. as part of news stories, and similarly for other companies as part of news stories. The situation at Centsible is certainly newsworthy, so news this is. Since one of the founding principles of Amiga Update is to get news out when it's fresh, not necessarily on a regular schedule, we are providing this information while it's new and still relevant to the community. Best of luck to all concerned!! Brad Webb, Editor =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- C E N T S I B L E B U Y O U T H E L P R E Q U E S T 2 Feb 2003 I'm sorry I'm contacting you after you have already put out the AU newsletter, but I am in desperate needof help from our Amiga Brethern. AS you know, I am the publisher of "the NEW AMIGANS" magazine. What you might not know is that I am also working at Centsible software part-time. I was recently informed by Scott (the owner) that another party has made an offer for the company. At first, I thought I would simply have to contact them and get new advertising set up. But I found out just Thursday that the other party intends to dissolve the company and sell off the inventory on ebay "a little at a time" over the course of several years. Now Centsible is the only remaining source (as far as I know) for several of the custom chips that are needed to maintain our Amigas (as well as for C64s and C128s). If the other party takes the inventory, and one of our computers break down, we may be SOL on getting them repaired (unless the chips needed JUST HAPPEN to be on ebay at that moment). Scott told me that if I can match their offer of $2,000 down and $2,000 on delivery of inventory, he would finance the rest of the buyout (at 0% interest). Now I can scrape together about $1,000. But that would be needed for opening the new store location (rent, utilities, phones, etc). I have a person who is offering the loan me $2,000 but it will take time to get the money out of his investments for me to use. Scott has told me that whoever gets the first $2,000 to him gets the company. I have already put out a plea to as many Amigans as I have email addresses. And have been able to raise just under $1,000. I know you can reach many more Amigans than I have addresses for. Could you PLEASE rebroadcast this emergeny plea ASAP. For the contributors I have the following proposal: There are several fully functional computers in this inventory. I am willing to offer choice of those units (I would need at least one to run the business, but the rest would be up for grabs) to anyone who contributes more than $100 or so (on a first donated, first to choose basis). For the $50 and up crowd, I would also include the A500s (I know of at least 5) and some software to make it a bit fairer. If the computer you like isn't available by the time the order works down to you, I would offer store credit (possibly in the form of 125% or so - of what you contributed, or a repayment of 110% of what you contributed over the course of a year (much better than the stcok funds are now offering). Any contributions under $50.00 (I'm open to all Amigans - my finances are tight now too). I would offer the store credit (of 125% of their investment) or 110% repayment at the end of the first year (so I don't have to write out so many checks each month). I ask those who are interested to contribute via PayPal (simply because it is the fastest way to get the money to me - and its a case of who has the money in hand first that counts on this deal). If anyone wants to send a check I would need it here via overnight in order to ensure I have the money before the other person does. And, of course, if I lose the purchase, I will immediately refund any and all contributions sent. My main purpose here is to prevent our Amiga resources from dwindling down much further until the new Amigas can take a toe-hold. To make your paypal contributions (of ANY size) simply go to the paypal website and click on send money. Use my email address (wd8izh(a)beanstalk.net) in the "Pay To:" section and follow the rest ofthe instructions. PLEASE don't let this important parts and software resource die. Help me maintain the integrity of the dealership know as Centsible Software. Finally, because the other party is NOT and Amiga user, BUT DOES auction Amiga stuff, I have reason to believe that he follows the Amiga News Groups. Sinsce I don't want to end up lossing the company to a "bidding war" I ask that nobody place this on an NG. But PLEASE forward it to EVERY Amigan and C64/c128 user you know. Thank you --------- Its gonna be a heck of a century! Bill Griffin, G&G Publishing Enterprises Home of "the NEW AMIGANS" magazine Ask about our new, US-based, Amiga Magazine Or check out our website at http://get.to/t.n.a .. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- C E N T S I B L E B U Y O U T U P D A T E 3 Feb 2003 So far we have raise only $700 of what is needed for the downpayment on Centsible. I have found an investor who can get another $2,000 to me in about 2 weeks. Scott has now told me that He will not be making any calls to the other party to get money from them until the weather clears. Which he doesn't see hapening for at least a week. However, if the other party send the money to secure the deal (on their own) Scott will be obligated to honor the deal and we will lose Centsible Software forever. This affords us a SLIGHT chance to finish up the job and save Centsible Software. It also means that those of you out there who want to help, but don't have credit cards (or who don't want to go through PayPal) have a chance to get in on this deal. I have enough time (barely) to accept contributions via mail. I will simply hold the checks (uncashed) until I either get enough to complete the deal, or the other party gets their money in first. If that happens, I simply send back the uncashed checks. This way, if any of you have interest earning checking, you won't even lose the interest on your money. Again, I am willing to accept help in any dollar amount and all the terms I stated in my proposal apply. I only ask that, if you send help via the post office, you email me and let me know it as well. To send your help via mail, send it to: Bill Griffin PO Box 447 Edwardsburg, MI 49112-0447 And put the words "Centsible Buyout" on the memo line. PLEASE rebroadcast and forward to as many Amiga and C64 enthusiasts as you possibly can. And thank you, in advance, for all your help. ------------ Its gonna be a heck of a century! Bill Griffin, G&G Publishing Enterprises Home of "the NEW AMIGANS" magazine Ask about our new, US-based, Amiga Magazine Or check out our website at http://get.to/t.n.a .. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Amiga Update on the net: All back issues available at: http://www.globaldialog.com/~amigaupdate/index.html Stop by and check out our archive! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2003 by Brad Webb. Freely distributable, if not modified. ====================================================================== _ __ _ <>_ __ _ A M I G A /\\ |\ /|| || / ` /\\ A M I G A U P D A T E /__\\ | \ / || || || ___ /__\\ U P D A T E / \\_ | \/ ||_ _||_ \__// / \\_ amigaupdate(a)globaldialog.com -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- I can't walk a mile in their shoes. 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FW: Some old computer stuff...

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

The following message is from a gentleman who is interested in selling a 286 based laptop of unknown provenance. If you are interested please contact him directly at the email address given below. Thank you, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Randy Kaufman [mailto:krandy@CLEMSON.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:54 PM To: webmaster(a)vintage-computer.com Subject: Some old computer stuff... Erik, I have an old 'portable' PC. It is 286-based, has a 20M hard drive, 5 1/4 floppy and LCD screen. No idea who made it, as there is no name on it. Saw a picture of one on the web, but it had the name 'TRAVELLER' on it. Looks and works great. If you are interested, let me know. Thanks! Randy Kaufman krandy(a)clemson.edu

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OT: RE: Collecting, Hacking and the Spooks (was: Gulf War, dummie s,

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 08:37 AM 2/5/03 -0700, you wrote: >New York Times >June 11, 2001 > >Court Restricts Heat-Sensor Searches >By David Stout > >WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court today reiterated the right of privacy in the >age of technology, ruling in an Oregon drug case that the police cannot use >a heat-seeking device to probe the interior of a home without a search >warrant. They restricted the use of HEAT SENSORS but they did not restrict the police from using estimates of exceesive power usage by the power companies. That's how they "caught" Zane. The thermal imaging sensors would have probably shown that the source was a computer and not growing plants. BTW they also use both technologies for detecking stills built inside of homes. Joe

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More Amiga finds and a some great articles to read

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I was able to find the keyboard and monitor for the 2000HD I got yesterday. Stopped at Borders Book store and found the January 2003 Nuts & Volts has a good article on the Altair 880 titled MICRO MEMORIES. Maloney's Antiques & Collectibles Resource Directory list Computers as a collectable and points several people we all know as experts and recommends books and sites to check out. Also while there looked in Warman's Flea Market Price Guide 2nd Edition (2001) it also list computers as something to look for but boy the prices they give way out of range. Here's are some: a Mac 128 $350, a Mac Plus $50, a IIc $65, a Atari XL800 $125, and a Epson HX-40 $125. Check it out for the remaining ones.

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PDP-8: (and others) anyone tried NVRAM simulation of hard drives?

by djg＠drs-esg.com

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >As to Will's original question, I myself have wondered what it >would take to design/build a compatible device. ... >One thing that has been slowing me down is >deciding how to attach a modern device to an -8/L or -8/i - > I would recommend getting the DEC compatable cards for Dougless Electronics to plug into the 8/I and wiring them to another circuit card. With a bank of transistors you can convert from the negative bus to TTL and put a small FPGA/CPLD on the board to do all the work. Attach to that your storage of choice and your all set. A fast microcontroller might also be an option and might be needed if you want to do things like IDE/CF to emulate DF32/RF08. Might need to be a little careful that modern fast logic doesn't see/make glitches on the bus. For my online PDP-8/E the board I made is a Xilinx CPLD (they have cheap/free tools and I have the pay stuff at work) which emulated the front panel and also was a single cycle data break master for data transfers. Most of the 8/I peripherals were 3 cycle that wouldn't be too hard to do. I used a little adapter board to convert the PLCC to a PGA and then wirewrapped. I have also seen a bunch of ads for real cheap PCB prototypes if you have confidence in your design. Anybody who wants my code can have it but it is ugly. I first tried another chip and coded it in that language but the tools were too bad so switched to Xilinx and Abel. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.

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MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 5, 13:07, Eric Smith wrote: > Owen wrote about the notched power connector: > > 20A rated. > > That makes more sense than high-temp, but I'm a little surprised > as IEC 60320-1 (formerly IEC 320) only covers plugs and sockets up > to 16A. Is there another standard that covers the 20A variant? There isn't a 20A variant here :-) In Europe (where the standard comes from!), there are two versions. As I recall: The first you commonly see on electronic equipment, which was originally rated for 6A (IIRC) and later I think up to 10A or 12A (*providing* the cable is also suitable for that current). There are "hot condition" and "cold condition" variants, the "hot condition" being the one for appliances like kettles, platewarmers, etc, which get hot (or warm, at least) and which has a notch in it, to prevent a normal "cold condition" plug being used in error. Although you rarely see hot-condition plugs rated less than 10A or so, that's because you need a 10A rating or more for a kettle element, not because the hot-condition plugs are designed for high current and cold-condition ones for low current (as some people mistakenly think). Eric (Smith) is correct, the difference with the notch is purely temperature rating; maximum current rating catered for by the standard is the same in each case. Be aware, however, that while there are few 6A hot-condition cables, there are quite a lot of 5A/6A cold-conditon ones; indeed they're the most common here, being supplied with every Sun, PC, monitor, network switch, and many domestic electronic devices. Don't chop a lump out of the edge of one of those and expect it to handle 10A safely. Look at the printing on the socket first. The second version is a little larger, has the pins at right angles to the pins in the 10A version, and is rated 16A. In the USA, both versions are allowed higher current ratings, so what you call a 20A version is what we rate for 16A here. This is a result of the USA using an inferior voltage standard, requiring higher currents and leading to greater losses :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Replacment battery for HP 32 E

by koub＠earthlink.net

I have a HP 32 E in excellent condition. My only trouble is the original battery willn ot hold a charge. How do I go about replacing it? Keith L. Wagner 5680 Walnut Ave. Chino Ca. 91710 e-mail <koub(a)earthlink.net>

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[OT] Update on White LEDz...

by zmerch＠30below.com

Classiccmp Dudez/Dudettez... Just wanted to say thankz on the help y'all gave me WRT the white LEDz question I posed earlier... Lotsa info I need to sort out in the old, tired head of mine... ... but for anyone else who's interested in stuff like that, thru further googling I stumbled across this site: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi A forum all about -- you guessed it! -- different lighting techniques including white LEDz... Anywho, thanks for all the help, and as things progress... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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Gathering Classic Computer Info

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Needs a working url: Dwight >From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com> > >Judging from the level of disagreement on many recent topics, it appears >that we all need a distraction! :-) > >I would like to solicit your help. As part of my research for a project >that will benefit this Classic Computer Community, I am trying to assemble >an exhaustive database of companies who manufactured what is now classic >computer hardware and software. For the moment, I am focusing only on >hardware. Software will be the next project. > >I am seeking to bring together a small part of your collective knowledge and >expertise. I have built a simple web page that will collect the names of >manufacturers and products. > >Please go to http://gatekeeper.evocative.com:8080/research and dump your >brain! All manufacturers and products are fair game, and in fact, the more >obscure the better. Please accept my apologies in advance for the >simplistic (crude) interface, but this is simply a data collection exercise >and I did not waste much time on flourish. > >When the project is complete, this data will be cleaned up and made >available to anyone who cares to have it. This data will not be sold, it >will be free. The site does not collect any personal information; your >submissions are completely anonymous. > >Thanks in advance for your help! >Patrick > >KIM-1 * North Star Horizon * Heath ET-3400 * Rockwell AIM-65 * Heath/Zenith >H/Z-88/9 > >P.S. I'm sure I've missed a plethora of categories; please email me your >suggestions using the link on that page.

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OT: PowerBook G3 parts

by dtwright＠uiuc.edu

Hello, I just got a bronze keyboard (Lombard) G3 powerbook, sans cdrom drive, battery, and AC adapter. Does anyone have parts for this machine or know of a good source to get them from? - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

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MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> Be careful, though; sometimes these things really do want power cords > that can carry more current. I notched a cord once to replace a cord > that went missing when the NCR Tower went to a trade show. It worked, > but a couple days later I got a "smells like smoke in the lab" report > and found it had browned a bit. Ohyeah... in Holland, we use 220VAC, so half the amps.. --f

23 years, 2 months

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Annex 3 terminal server

by toby＠russellsharpe.com

Hi, I've got an old Annex 3 terminal server which I'd like to connect to my PDP-11 so I can have telnet access into it. Trouble is, I don't have any software with the Annex and I can't work out how to configure the beast. Anyone have any experience with them or suggestions as to how I can get hold of the configuration software? Thanks, Toby

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MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred N. van Kempen" <Fred.van.Kempen(a)microwalt.nl> wrote: > Yes, and likewise for all BA440-based VAX 4000 systems. Just grab > a kitchen knife (warn the wife first.. she might get scared) and > cut a notch. Works for me and the 3400 :) Be careful, though; sometimes these things really do want power cords that can carry more current. I notched a cord once to replace a cord that went missing when the NCR Tower went to a trade show. It worked, but a couple days later I got a "smells like smoke in the lab" report and found it had browned a bit. -Frank McConnell

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Things FS (dec, ncd, sun, chips), and Info requested

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>X-Server-Uuid: 03162E99-F22F-4D28-9C2E-3682E73B502C >From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> >To: "'dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com'" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> >Subject: RE: Things FS (dec, ncd, sun, chips), and Info requested >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:25:27 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-WSS-ID: 125F5EDD1612440-01-01 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >See below. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:58 PM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Things FS (dec, ncd, sun, chips), and Info requested > > >>From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com> >> >>First, the question. Look for "SELLING" below for what I have 'for sale'. >> >> I've managed to pick up a TECMAR, Inc. "LAB TENDER COMP" card for the >>IBM PC (8bit ISA interface) but I don't have any docs on it. There's a >>total of 5 34pin headers on the card, a bunch of 7400 seris logic, an >>AM9513, AM8255A-5, 5xTL084CJ, 4xHEF4051BP chips, and 3x8switch > ^^^^^^ > Math processor?? > Dwight > >>dip-switches. Does anyone know what this is and/or have software/docs for >>it? > > >[Robert Feldman] <Snip> Please? > Hi I was incorrect, a quick search shows that it is a timer chip( 9513 ). The 8255's are parallel I/O chips. The 4051's are analog multiplexers. The TL084's are Op-Amps. Other than that, I have no idea what it does. If there was a A/D chip mixed in with the TTL, I'd think it was a multi channel A/D board. Dwight

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OT: RE: Collecting, Hacking and the Spooks (was: Gulf War, dummie s,

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

>I use my 14" 6 platter 300MB DASD as a centrifuge for uranium enrichment. > > --John Be careful with that uranium hexaflouride... Besides, if you want to enrich uranium at a decent rate, you really need a significant amount of drives.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 2 months

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Emulex QD 211

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

>Message: 16 >From: Innfogra(a)aol.com >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:29:26 EST >Subject: Emulex QD 211 >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > >The actual number is QD2110202-00 rev L. From the connectors it is either >ESDI or a MFM hard disk controller for Qbus but I am not sure which. > IIRC the small 10 pin connectoris is for a console-CRT. Has the same pinning as DLV11-J and will work independent of host-sw, only power to QD21 applied is enough. Used for configuration ect. Connect a terminal, and see what it says to you. Will see if I find some Doc's on this. If its ok, its a very useful module. Frank

23 years, 2 months

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MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> What's needed for this list is the URL of someone selling these > cords. Noone has found one yet. Check HP resellers (and not because HP now owns DEC). The cable I got for this originally came from a semi-modern HP workstation. Zane

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OT: RE: Collecting, Hacking and the Spooks (was: Gulf War,

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> At 08:37 AM 2/5/03 -0700, you wrote: > >New York Times > >June 11, 2001 > > > >Court Restricts Heat-Sensor Searches > >By David Stout > > > >WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court today reiterated the right of privacy in the > >age of technology, ruling in an Oregon drug case that the police cannot use > >a heat-seeking device to probe the interior of a home without a search > >warrant. > > > They restricted the use of HEAT SENSORS but they did not restrict the > police from using estimates of exceesive power usage by the power > companies. That's how they "caught" Zane. The thermal imaging sensors > would have probably shown that the source was a computer and not growing > plants. BTW they also use both technologies for detecking stills built > inside of homes. I didn't know I'd been "caught", that was Sridhar and his IBM ES9000. I'm the one that asked how long before some of us do run into this problem due to power usage or heat output, and it looks like the answer is it has already happened thanks to power usage. I do know though, that with having 4-5 computers running 24x7, I've got to have abnormal power usage (not to mention how hellish my electric bills are getting). Zane

23 years, 2 months

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Things FS (dec, ncd, sun, chips), and Info requested

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com> > >First, the question. Look for "SELLING" below for what I have 'for sale'. > > I've managed to pick up a TECMAR, Inc. "LAB TENDER COMP" card for the >IBM PC (8bit ISA interface) but I don't have any docs on it. There's a >total of 5 34pin headers on the card, a bunch of 7400 seris logic, an >AM9513, AM8255A-5, 5xTL084CJ, 4xHEF4051BP chips, and 3x8switch ^^^^^^ Math processor?? Dwight >dip-switches. Does anyone know what this is and/or have software/docs for >it? > >SELLING > >+ Digital SC008-AB, one with an "A" and one with a "B" on it, has many >(maybe 20) TNC Jacks monted on it, some with 'terminators' on it. Does >anyone know what this is? I'm intrigued by it. > $5 each + shipping > >+ Digital M8210 - 32kW (72bit words) MOS memory for a VAX-11/780. It's > still sealed in an anti-static bag, so I assume it's in excellent > condition. > $5 + shipping > >+ NCD 19c Xterminal, no cables. Uses a sync-on-green monitor, does color, > has AUI/10Base2 network connectors, uses standard PS/2 style keyboard > and a 9pin serial (pc-like) mouse. > ** Based off of Motorola 88100 processor ** > $10 + shipping > >+ 4 x Sun SparcStation 5, 64MB RAM, CG6 framebuffer, 2GB Seagate ST32550WC > hard drive. These are working, but don't have an OS installed for > licensing reasons. I can install Debian Linux (base install) on them > if interested (for free!). > $15 each + shipping, > also have some parts (lots of CG6's), email if interested. > >+ 6 x Sun SparcStation 5 power supplies (PN 300-1215-02): > ratings are +5V @ 25A, +12V @ 2.3A(Max 4A), -12V @ 0.25A > max continuous 150.2W, max output <15sec 174.2W > $5 each + shipping > >+ Not really classic, but I've got a lot of RJ45->DE9-F cisco console > cables, and 48VDC, 0.3A table-top 'wall wart' power supplies. I figured > that they might be of some use to list readers, and wanted to do this > before they go onto eBay. > $5 for one + shipping, or make me an offer for >1. > >+ VME Boards - have socketed chips that are re-usable: > > > PE/IO: > 1 x MC68881RC15A - math coprocessor > 1 x MC68901P > 2 x MC68230P10 - 68k 'parallel port' chip > 1 x PAL16R4CN -\ > 1 x PAL14L4NC --+- does anyone know if they're erasable? > 1 x PAL16R6NC -/ > 2 x D8293 --\ > 1 x P8291A ---+-- Intel GPIB chips > > parallel ports: > 2 x MC68230P10 > n x 74LS00 series logic IC's > > net interface: > 2 x MC68230P10 > n x 74LS00 series logic IC's > > DMA interface: > n x 74LS00 series logic IC's > > 68010 board: > 1 x MC68010L10 > 4 x KM6264L-15 8k x 8 150ns SRAM > 4 x M5L2764 8k x 8 EPROM > 1 x 5.0688MHz oscillator > > 68000 board: > mostly same as the 68010 board, except with MC68000P8 instead > > I also have a couple of prototyping (wire-wrap) VME boards. You can >see everything I have at http://purdueriots.com/mvme/ including (fuzzy) >pictures of the boards. I'd like to get $5 per board + shipping to >recuperate my costs. I can do cheaper for large quantites. > > ** The CPU boards have custom-developed console 'debuggers' that use > the RS-232 port on the CPU card as a console. They *require* that > a PE/IO board be connected to the VME bus in order to 'initialize'. > You could, of course get around this by replacing the ROMs. > >If (when) I get multiple offers, I'll try to choose fairly who gets the >stuff, or divide it up if there's multiple people interested > >Thanks for listening! > >Pat >Lafayette, IN, USA 47904 >-- >Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS >Information Technology at Purdue >Research Computing and Storage >http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

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OT: RE: Collecting, Hacking and the Spooks (was: Gulf War,

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Bryan Pope" <bpope(a)wordstock.com> > >And thusly Joe spake: >> >> plants. BTW they also use both technologies for detecking stills built >> inside of homes. > >How much power / heat does a distiller use / generate?! > >Cheers, > >Bryan > Hi Most are not very efficient and generate quite a bit of heat. Remember, they are interested in ones that generates commecial quantities on Moon shine and not some chemistry experiment. Dwight

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MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Owen, > I have a MicroVAX 3800 in really good shape that I would like > to be able to use, but I have a problem. The power connector > looks like a standard grounded power cable connector, but has > been made in such a way that the power cable must have a notch > on the top in order to plug in. Yes, and likewise for all BA440-based VAX 4000 systems. Just grab a kitchen knife (warn the wife first.. she might get scared) and cut a notch. Works for me and the 3400 :) Cheers, Fred

23 years, 2 months

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Any Amiga users on this list?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I play games on mine mostly, but want to get a HD to do some programming on > the system. Flipping floppies is starting to get annoying. Is there a SCSI adapter for the A500, and how hard would it be to get? The HD expansions I've always seen don't strike me as being very reliable in this day and age. If you want to do programming, I'd recommend getting a newer Amiga, or doing it under Emulation. I've had Amiga OS 3.9 running on both my A3000/25 and on my PC, I hate to admit it, but unless you're running something that requires the HW, emulating the Amiga on a modern system blows the real HW away. I couldn't believe the difference. Of course I've got to admit, that you really should have an accelerator board, if you're going to try and run AmigaOS 3.9. Now what I'd like to get a chance to play with is Amiga OS 4.0 on the new hardware! I gather the OS will finally be released in March. Zane

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[cc] Re: [cc] RE: OT/Admin: tags

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> elm isn't a real mail client? It is. > But another problem with prepending something to the subject > line could be the recursing going on... Most mailing list software knows how to do that. --f

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New Finds This week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Yesterday was pretty good and I got the following items: Amiga 200HD cpu only no KB, mouse, or monitor with it. KAYPRO 4 in great physical shape not powered up yet. Tandy 1000 RL Hard Drive cpu only. Data Book Computer model 486-DBA looks like a it was used as a LINUX box. 4- 486 notebooks; 2-Austin's, a Sharp, and a Compaq. No ac adapters with them. Sony Lasermax LDP-1450. AXIS StorPoint CD-rom server. Apple 800k external floppy drive. Bag of TI99/4A game cartridges. Have not looked through them yet. Some IBM PCjr stuff. A Convergent Technologies Motorola Information System 6300 tower (miniframe) with terminal but no KB or special power brick for it. A TAXAN 12" RGB monitor that works with Apple, IBM, or NEC PC8001 computers. Several mice and mousepads for that part of the collection. Found a recycler that is going out of business and he has about 8 HP racks on wheels (all empty) for only $5 each and tons of more stuff. I will be making a second trip today I hope before it's all trashed.

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HP2000

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Since there appears to be interest on the list.... Perhaps Eric and I (and any other interested parties) should get together and create a document like "So, you want to run HP TSB?". We could get definitive answers to exactly what pieces/parts are required, put in some comparisons between the different versions, etc. Kind of a road map to help people get these systems running. Help them decide which version to try for, etc. I know I would have done just about anything for such a document when I got started... and had to learn along the way little things like F series can't run access, IOP firmware is only needed for access, E will only use 7900 or 2883 drives, etc. Stuff like that. WHICH brings me to the next point. HP/TSB had a rather cute RJE facility, where you could create programs for ... ummm what was it... I think a CDC or an IBM RJE device were the two supported.. and submit jobs to them and get the results back, either cards or printouts, etc. There was also some capability in this add-on for HP2000 to HP2000 communication. So if someone else gets an HP2000 system up, it would be rather cool to send jobs back and forth, tunneled across the net someway perhaps. Or, is there an IBM RJE I can dial and submit jobs to from my HP2000? Most kewl :) Jay West

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Request for Armed Guard highway escort (HP2100)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Please god take me now I am a happy camper :) I'm posting this only because a few of the highly sought-after (by me) HP2100 systems have become available. Geoff has posted that he has one, and there is the nice one on ebay. I want to let folks know that I have made a deal to get the 2100 cpu I have been looking for along with some choice peripherals from Bill McDermith, so count me out of the running for Geoff's system and the one on ebay (and thanks for that sentiment Sellam!). My undying thanks to Bill! With what he is bringing, I would expect to finally have HP2000/Access TSB up and running again in fairly short order! So, since Bill will be bringing the system from his place, I would like to solicit volunteers from the list to ride motorcycles alongside his vehicle and carry a weapon, something of at least 7.62x54 caliber. Your job will be to shoot on sight anyone who approaches the vehicle with that crazed "I like old HP hardware" look in their eyes. When volunteering for escort duty, you must state the caliber of weapon you will be carrying, the range of states you're willing to escort through, and sign an affidavit that you have no interest in old HP hardware. I will personally escort him the last 100 miles, mosin-nagant in hand *GRIN*. On a more serious note - I personally think the system on Ebay would be a perfect catch for any HP enthusiasts. With the right mux card, it would be a great setup to run HP2000/E, nothing else required. Next to 2000/Access which requires the most elaborate hardware, 2000E is the best of the TSB systems I believe, and only requires one CPU, no IOP firmware, and no 1/2 tape drive. Of course, I think he's asking way too much for it, unless it can be verified to be in perfect working order - then, maybe $600 isn't SO bad. Just keep in mind that the drive on it is a 7900A, which has no automatic head locking mechanism. The heads extend quite easily, so just a few bumps and you'll be looking for new heads and a new fixed lower platter. More if it was actually powered up in that condition. Think I'm going to go tip a brew in honor of Bill McDermith! Thanks all! Jay West

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