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Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no s ubject)

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of Mail List > <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:17 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no > subject) > > > > This country was founded by Christians. They may have had some odd > > > customs, and they may have made some things "law" that were really > > > tradition, but thats no reason to reject everything "religious", such > as > > > the principles that this nation was founded on. > This country was founded by Christians. They may have had some odd customs, and they may have made some things "law" that were really tradition, but thats no reason to reject everything "religious", such as the principles that this nation was founded on. America was *NOT* founded by Christians. I'm very tired of hearing that drumbeat. The founding fathers, if anything, were DEISTs, and/or ceremonialisyts, and well knew the inherent dangers of including or even nodding to support any one religion over another in this country and its government - something our modern-day right-wing Christian brothers and sisters either don't know or won't learn. A state religion here would indeed be as dangerous to US national growth and development as is has proven all over the middle east. Remember: prior to 1979, Iran didn't have either a "state religion," or a theocracy. Now it does. Was there an improvement? Cheers... Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no s ubject)

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of Mail List > <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:17 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no > subject) > > > > This country was founded by Christians. They may have had some odd > > > customs, and they may have made some things "law" that were really > > > tradition, but thats no reason to reject everything "religious", such > as > > > the principles that this nation was founded on. > > America was *NOT* founded by Christians. I'm very tired of hearing that > drumbeat. The founding fathers, if anything, were DEISTs, and/or > ceremonialisyts, and well knew the inherent dangers of including or even > nodding to support any one religion over another in this country and its > government - something our modern-day right-wing Christian brothers and > sisters either don't know or won't learn. > > A state religion here would indeed be as dangerous to US national growth > and development as is has proven all over the middle east. Remember: prior > to 1979, Iran didn't have either a "state religion," or a theocracy. Now > it does. Was there an improvement? > > Cheers... > > Ed > San Antonio, Tx, USA [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > You honestly believe that the governmant controls what CNN, MSNBC, FOX, > > etc. put into there news casts? > Actually, our government controls *access* to who and what gets into the news. Today, news isn't about Edward R. Murrow or Walter Cronkite. Its about money, looking good, keeping up the ratings, and, just occasionally, a slanted nod to what's going on in the world. "Truth" went the way of the wind with (maybe before) Kennedy... Cheers! Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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Let the witch trials begin!

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Since we're on points like this one, does anyone out there remember the the first shots of the '86 Challenger disaster? One chase plane scene showed for about 1/2 a day on CNN, as if it were normal and planned, then simply disappeared. It *hadn't* anything to do with the SRBs... Did anyone see? Does anyone remenber? Off list responses preferred... Cheers! Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of chris > <cb(a)mythtech.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:26 PM > To: Classic Computer > Subject: Re: Let the witch trials begin! > > >It never made it to CNN or MSNBC. > > MSNBC's web site also altered a story the other day regarding Osama bin > Ladin and Iraq. The first release made mention that bin Ladin was calling > his people to kill Hussein. Then, when the US held a press briefing on > the same topic, and tried to make it sound as if bin Ladin was in cahoots > with Hussein, MSNBC suddenly altered their story, removing the reference. > > No explination to the change. Could have been an error, could have been > an oversite, could have been a request by someone... could have been > anything. Point is, the story took a change to reflect the US governments > desired position on the topic, and they just pretened it had always been > that way. > > Humm... does Winston Smith work for MSNBC? > > -chris > <http://www.mythtech.net> [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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C64View updates

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

The Macintosh port of C64View, a freeware cross-platform Commodore 64 image viewer, has been updated. This new version features drag-and-drop operation and improved UI, as well as correcting OS X compatibility bugs and introducing a new Classic version for 68K Macintoshes and non-Carbon Power Macs. It preserves the Mac-specific converter capability, allowing you to convert your Commodore images into PICT files for import to your favourite Mac application. C64View's DOS version is also still available, and is compatible with Win32 as well as DOS 5.0 and up. You can capture the DOS version screen in Windows to export images, or use your favourite screen-grab TSR. C64View supports KoalaPainter, Doodle!, 8K bitmaps (including Flexidraw and Print Shop Screen Magic) and 1K colourmaps. Sample images are included. Download from http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/c64view/ C64View is freeware. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegcaps awound? ---------------------------------

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TRS-80 Model 4 help requested

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

>The earliest 1.2M drive that I saw (before the AT) was a >Mitsubishi 4854? >I was told that it had had been designed for the explicit purpose of >replacing 8" drives. It did NOT also have a "360K" mode. I still have some M4854 drives that are in use to this day! My *first* computer that I saved up for was a Pulsar Electronics Little Big Board system (Z80 - 64K, STD bus, 8" drive interface, CP/M 2.2) The neat thing was that I had dual 5.25" M4854 drives that provided 2.4Mb online while all of my friends had dual 360K drives..... Anyway, I digress, The M4854 was an 8" drive replacement. Motor speed was ?300? rpm, not the usual 360rpm with the 5.25" drives. The hardist thing about it was that it did not have a 50pin connector. Doug Jackson Director, Managed Security Services Citadel Securix Pty Ltd Level 1, 10 Moore St Canberra ACT 2601 Ph: (612) 6290 9011 Fx: (612) 6262 6152 Mob: 0414 986 878 Web: www.citadel.com.au Melbourne - Sydney - Canberra - Brisbane - Hong Kong - Atlanta Any pricing or time figures contained within this email are indicative only, and have been provided for planning purposes only. Please request a quotation from your sales representative prior to undertaking any work. CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

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Auction Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Got a few new items at auction today: 1- hp 660LX no ac adapter and batteries are down so can not test it. 2-IBM PowerPC tower Risc6000 C10 not tested yet. 3-Sun Field Engineer Handbook Volume II pretty cool stuff in it. Covers these architectures: Sun-3, Sun-3x, Sun-386i, Sun-4, Sun-4c, Sun-4m. 4-hp 5314 A Universal Counter with manual. 5-hp 5381A 80mhz Frequency Counter with manual. 6-Fluke 1900 A Multi-Counter. 7-Datapulse model 201 Data Generator. 8-Sun UltraSCSI external with 9gig HD in it. 9-hp Apollo And some mousepads, Analog cards (4), and other goodies I have checked out yet.

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DEC VT 320 with Terminal Disease - help?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, yep, it's me again. The 4000 VLC started and ran perfectly. I left it on for about 8 hours as a burn-in test. When I came back, it was (apparently) still running - but the VT-320 it was talking through had died. Arrgggh. I've done a little investigating, so hopefully I won't need quite so many exchanges to get this one going. The external symptoms of the VT320 were: no display; when power switch is on, the LK201 lights flash about once a second. No other sign of life. I turned it off, unplugged it, and opened it up. The power supply board at the side has an output indicator LED which also flashes about once a second. I turned it off, unplugged the power supply board from the mainboard, and turned it on again. In this condition (which I'll call "unloaded"), the output indicator LED comes on and stays on. In addition, the pins on the output connector go to more or less their correct voltage, as determined by labels on the mainboard at the other end of that connector harness: Labelled Ground 5V 12V 18V Actual Ground 6.5V 12.5V 22V The power supply has a big (10-pin) transformer inside a cage (with some other components) on it. The transformer seems to divide the circuitry in two, inasmuch as only the "Ground" traces seem to go to both sides. On the input (upstream, plugs into wall) side, there is a network connected to a UC3842N IC. Google led me to a spec sheet for that, which calls it a "Current-mode PWM Controller". The spec sheet also has a "typical application" schematic for an "Off-line Flyback Regulator" which looks to be at least somewhat similar to the upstream side of the power supply, though I have not traced the latter out well enough to be sure yet. There are also several large electrolytic capacitors on the input side of the power supply. Possible signs of trouble are there, in the form of scorch marks on the PWB around two power resistors (? They have what looks like a powder blue ceramic exterior, are marked 120 Ohms +/- 5% and ?? (maybe 47 Ohms), and are much bigger than most of the resistors on the board). In the "loaded" condition, the resistor with the worst scorch marks around it (R523, as marked on the circuit board) has 0V across it, with a small spike upward (as shown by the needle jerking on my analog VOM) each time the output LED flashes. In the "unloaded" condition, my VOM shows 15V across that resistor, and it gets pretty warm pretty fast. Questions for the group: 1) Have I got good evidence that the fault this time is actually on the power supply board, and not a pull-down on the mainboard, as it was on the VAX 4000 VLC? 2) Is there a good way (without use of an ESR meter, which I haven't got) to isolate which component is bad, or should I just replace the capacitors on suspicion? The power supply, at least, looks very easy to work on. Nice big components, circuit board is only 2 layers (front and back) and not very many traces on the component side, and the traces are exposed and easy to get to in its operating configuration. I'm being careful around the 120VAC (rectified to 160 DC in the unloaded condition). Thanks in advance for any help you can give me! - Mark

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Check out this TI99/4 on eBay

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "TeoZ" <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> > > My first computer was a timex 2068 and learning to > program on chicklet keyboards sucks. But.. Those were pretty nice computers... Timex did make an incredible goof with those... Originally, it was intended to be an American Version of the 48k ZX-Spectrum Computer. But, as-is it wouldn't pass FCC regulations. So, they redesigned the computer to do so, and decided to "improve" it. Designing out most compatibility with the Spectrum in the process. With a set of Spectrum ROMS in a cartridge, and a "Twister" card (to convert the expansion edge back to the Spectrum version), one could use Spectrum Hardware and software on it. There were third party keyboards for it also, and when Sinclair was bought out, the company that bought it (I can't remember the name), made better versions of the Spectrum with built in Microdrives or Cassette Player, and a better keyboard. I have a U.S. Prototype of the Spectrum, a Microdrive interface and drive, and the Timex of Portugal 3inch Disk Drive System (which also turned it into a CP/M Computer). A nice computer for the time if you tricked it out a little. The company I worked for in the 80's even made a drawing program similar to MacPaint for it, called TechDraw, A Spectrum Emulator Cartridge, Disk System, Terminal Software (for the Timex Modem), and lots more... Also, fun days... I hope to spot one at a flea market to have one again. I still have my ZX-81 though. You can still get kits for the ZX-81, and some books and software from www.zebrasystems.com Regards, Al Hartman

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M9312 Bootstrap Questions

by jss＠subatomix.com

Ok, I got my PDP-11/34 mounted in its rack and have started to audit jumpers, switches, etc. I am being cornfused by the M9312 bootstrap terminator module. First, I'm confused about what version of the module I have. My 11/34 user's manual (EK-11034-UG-001 '77) talks about a -YA, -YB, and -YF version of the board. My M9312 manual (EK-M9312-TM-003 '81) talks only in terms of bootstrap ROM part numbers. The DIP switch references in the two documents conflict, even differing on the switch settings necessary just to boot into the console emulator. My M9312 has no -Yx designator and has only one bootstrap ROM installed (756A9 for RK03/05/05J or TU55/56). The M9312 manual seems to make the most sense in this case, so I've been believing its side of the story. However, the DIP switch settings on my M9312 have me puzzled. Here they are: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ON ON ON OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF ON ON This doesn't correspond to anything in either manual! According to the manual I'm trusting, this says to start executing at 765406 (in the console emulator ROM). It needs to be 765020 (with diags) or 765144 (without diags). Supposedly, the machine was functional when it was decommed, so my first instinct is to assume I am (or the docs are) wrong somewhere. However, its previous owner (another collector) was not able **IIRC** to get a register printout at power-up. So maybe the DIP switch is pointing to someplace that isn't a valid entry point. I don't have access to the complete M9312 print set, which would list the ROM contents. Should I reset the DIP switch to say 765020? -- Jeffrey Sharp

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Multilingual programming (was Re: Litton Industries Monrobot XI computers available)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: blstuart(a)bellsouth.net > >In message <3E5D4EA2.5080309(a)aconit.org>, Hans B Pufal writes: >>Unlike BASIC, PAF was designed so that its >>key words could be easily changed to different languages and on the fly >>during one progam, a feature I have not seen in any other language. I thought I'd mentioned that it is not entirely true that no other computer language can be converted to another language. Not being a natural language, Forth, can easily be converted to any standard text type language and there has even been efforts to convert to Chinese( not text type ). Since Forth has its own rules on noun/verb/object order, the language that it uses is not important. This is unlike most languages because most use complex precedence rules( LISP being another exception ). One can not fully overload the + operation in languages like 'C' because it would end up looking like +( a, b ) instead of a + b. I know of at least one German Forth and work in progress on a Chinese Forth ( issues are mainly entering and displaying characters ). Both of these can be source files loaded >from an English ( or other language ) Forth to completely change the Forth. One can even have both at the same time and switch back and forth. Heck, One might even have three languages or more to select from. One's imagination is the limit( and real memory). Dwight > >At the 1981 National Computer Conference (US), Grace Hopper told >a story about the A0 compiler she and her collegues did on the >UNIVAC. Part of the motivation for this program was to settle >the question of whether a computer could write a program for >itself. So the thing we now understand to be a programming >language was made as close to a natural language as they were >able to do at the time. Every statement consisted of a subject >a verb and an object followed by a period. (You can probably >begin to see how this work influenced the development of COBOL.) >Anyway, to demonstrate the flexibility of this technique, they >had both English and German versions. However, since it was a >US military sponsored project and since it was rather soon after >WWII, the German version caused a minor freak-out on the part of >some of the military brass. It was quickly shoved in a corner >and was lost in the mists of time. > >Brian L. Stuart

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Datapoint MiniComputer

by dstalnaker＠mindspring.com

Hi, I am looking for a Datapoint Mini computer from around the 1980-1983 timeframe. Any chance you have one or know of anyone else I might try? Thanks, Debbie

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Two (NEW) LA36 Decawritter II's for sale

by edgosch＠advanced-energy-conv.com

If anyone is interested. I have two brand new LA36 Decawritter II's for sale. I personally took these off their shipping pallets sometime in the late 70's or early 80's. They look absolutely new. Original test printout and manuals are still with them. They have been stored covered all this time. Ed Albany, NY w2uv(a)arrl.net

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ISIS-II command summary?

by melamy＠earthlink.net

Hi all, I got my Intel MDS225 working today, but I only have a single double density drive on it. I seem to recall that it would read single density, but you accessed by a different drive specifier. I can't seem to find one bit of documentation on the ISIS command at home. Does anyone have a summary page they could scan and send? I am also looking for the 50 pin connection wiring so I can connect a drive externally. It was fun booting up ISIS-II version 4.2 and seeing the prompt come up. I also had a CP/M 2.2 version that booted perfectly! best regards, Steve Thatcher

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TRS-80 Model 4 help requested

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi pat, I too just picked up a model 4. I didn't get any disks but mine says "Disk?" when I power it up. I opened it up and mine is a basic 64k machine with two SS disk drives. The drives in mine are made by Texas (somebody), Texas Peripherals maybe? I checked and they're 40 track SS drives. I believe these are the original disk drives for the M4 but I've been told that they will support 80 track and DS drives. But I don't know if you had to patch the BIOS and/or OS to do that. Joe At 10:38 PM 2/25/03 -0500, you wrote: >I recently picked up a TRS-80 model 4, that seems to have problems with >its floppy drives. > >The machine is a base Model 4 with 64KB of ram (I think - haven't yet >taken the EMF shield off the mainboard), and no peripherals attached. >When I powered it up the first time, with or without a disk in the >(bottom) drive, it displayed "Cass?" on the screen, and then I could press >enter to that and the "Memory size?" prompt, and get a basic prompt. > >I tried swapping the floppy drives, and that time I got a "Diskette?" >prompt if there was no disk in the drive, and pressing any keys didn't >cause anything to happen. If I put a disk in the drive, the machine never >displays anything, and then after 10-20 seconds, the drive light goes out. > >I tried connecting only one drive at a time, with the same results. If I >connected a 1.2MB floppy that I had laying around (a Teac FD-55GFR-149-U), >it did the same thing as if the drives were swapped. Yes, I realize that >the drive probaly wasn't going to work, I just wanted to see if it did >anything. > >Also, the disk I used was supposed to be a TRS-DOS (bootable) disk, but >it's possible that they've gone bad after so many years. Are the disks on >the Model 4 recorded so that I can read them on a PC (IE 48/96tpi MFM, >compatible with the NEC D765)? I'd like to know if I can make backup >images and/or see if the disks work on another machine. > >Thanks. > >Pat >-- >Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS >Information Technology at Purdue >Research Computing and Storage >http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

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Cost of shipping a container

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/26/03 3:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, vcf(a)siconic.com writes: > > I said it's US$3,000 for a 40 footer. It's actually US$3,000 for a 20 > footer from the west coast of the US to Europe. It was about $5000 to ship a 40 foot container of scrap from the Pacific NW (Tacoma was the cheapest IIRC) to Taiwan or Indonesia when we were doing that in the mid 90s. We had to make sure there was more than 45,000 pounds in it, that was the break even point for shipping. > > Speaking of which, if anyone in Germany or beyond has something big in the > US that they want to ship and can get it to Oakland, California, soon then > let me know because Hans is shipping a bunch of stuff back to Germany but > doesn't have enough to fill a container yet. > What a great way to get something heavy to Europe. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Cost of shipping a container

by vcf＠siconic.com

Sorry, I gave some wrong information regarding the cost to ship a container overseas. I said it's US$3,000 for a 40 footer. It's actually US$3,000 for a 20 footer from the west coast of the US to Europe. Not bad if you have a lot of scheisse to ship. Speaking of which, if anyone in Germany or beyond has something big in the US that they want to ship and can get it to Oakland, California, soon then let me know because Hans is shipping a bunch of stuff back to Germany but doesn't have enough to fill a container yet. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Cromemco 68k System 100 on eBay

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/26/03 1:46:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, classiccmp(a)crash.com writes: > I hadn't realized anyone had put a 68020 on the S-100 bus, or is that just > a 680[01]0 in a PGA? Yes, They made a 68020 and that system appears to be one. I had a similar System One in a wood cabinet that came with the 68020 CPU, 2 2meg memory cards and some custom video cards. It came with the docs. All S100. I have since passed it on to another collector from the list. It is interesting to note that the one I passed on and this one in the auction are both located in Washington State. They must have had a good Cromemco dealer there. They are not the same System Ones. Cabinets are different. It is a nice system. Paxton Astoria, OR PS No connection with the seller...

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Check out this TI99/4 on eBay

by acme＠ao.net

From: Erik S. Klein <classiccmp(a)vintage-computer.com> Date: 02/26/2003 11:23 AM > TeoZ Said: > > " The Timex 2068 was released in 82 or 83 when the Vic20/c64 had proper > keyboards." > [snip] > all "Q"s. It seems that Commodore had to rush to get their Christmas > orders filled and they ended up cutting a few corners. > The C64 and TS 2068 were both released that Xmas season, and Timex Sinclair lore has it that the Timex machine was initially called the TS2064, but when Commodore announced the C64, the 2064 was changed to 2068 in order to sound bigger and more powerful :>) Later -- Glen 0/0

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Cromemco 68k System 100 on eBay

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Looks like most of a 68k-based Cromemco on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403398810&category=1479 I hadn't realized anyone had put a 68020 on the S-100 bus, or is that just a 680[01]0 in a PGA? Looks like I could find out if I could get to this page: www.dantiques.com/computers/cromemco/100300.htm But my ISP has a routing problem that prevents me from reaching them. I've used the Google cache, but that doesn't get me the pictures. Oh well, maybe by next week this'll be fixed... No connection to the seller, just curious. And still looking for a job, or I'd consider bidding on this thing. --Steve.

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Available: various DEC monitors

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 26.02.2003: > Oh boy, thatone previously was supposed to go privat... one thousand sorries to all of you. Frank

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Available: various DEC monitors

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 26.02.2003: > >----------<snip>----------- >Message: 11 >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:23:21 +0100 (CET) >From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Available: various DEC monitors >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >All, > >Available as of right now, various DEC color monitors of >the 19" and heavy kind. VR and VRT series. Obviously >for pickup only, in the Hilversum-Amsterdam area in >The Netherlands. > >What's left by next week will be scrapped - I need the >space for machines. > >Cheers, > Fred >----------<snip>----------- > Hallo Fred, Ik zoek een of twee VRT17-HA/H4 of VRC21-HA/H4 (72Hz-refresh) voor mijn DEC3000 systemen, heb je zoiets? Zoja, kan ik het bijvoorbeeld zaterdag ophalen, ik rij morgen naar Nederland. Wat anders, heb je al faciliteiten om manuals te scannen? Ik heb wel het een en ander bij te dragen, maar zonder automatische papier-feeder op de scanner word je gek. Ik kan evtl. wel het een en ander meebrengen. Er zijn intussen heel wat websites met dokumentatie. Ken jij een algemene lijst die verteld welk dokument reeds gescant is, en waar zich dit bevind? Of wou jij juist zoiets gaan samenstellen? Ok, ik hoor het wel, groet, Frank PS een mailaccout op www.pdp11.nl is heel erg cool....

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HP1000 F & A700 - pictures

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Evenin' all. Uploaded tonight for your viewing pleasure, just over 60 pix of the HP1000's that Tim found & saved a few weeks ago, now parked lovingly (erm) in my shed... http://classic-micros.com/hp1000 (Note to Hans: I *know* I've not put the picture sizes in the img tags, I'm just too darn lazy, OK?) :) Anyway, a brief tale of what happened this last w/e... On Saturday, I picked up the 3 terminals & assorted other tapes, plus the disc controller from Tim, thus completing the rescue. Back to the shed for some well deserved tinkering time :) A long poke around in the manuals convinced me that: a) I have no docs for the F-series machines :( They're all for the A700... b) There was no system installation guide :( Thus thwarted, I decided buggrit, I'll carry out the cardinal sin, and just power the things up anyway. Fortunately, a kindly sysadmin had labelled the tape drive connectors, so they could be applied to the correct slot. Not so with the MUX cable; and besides, the other end of the MUX seemed to be missing anyway (i.e the DeMUXer). So, my total experimentation with the F-series was limited to pressing buttons on the panel and getting the blinkenlights to blinken. Which they did in a most satisfactory manner, I might add. Efforts to do anything with the tape drive were also effectively thwarted; I did manage to get a tape loaded, and the "on line" light to blinken (well, "come on" would be more accurate"). No amount of pressing front panel buttons would make them spin on their own, however. Ho hum. So, I tried the A700, which at least will talk to a terminal. Unfortunately, it won't listen to the terminal, so there's something a bit fishy going on there as well. That boot screen was as far as I got. Ho hum ^ 2. So, I made do with loading a disc (dunno where to plug it in to the 1000, though, so can't load anything from it, even if I knew the correct pushenbutton sequence). Questions/requests arising: 1) Does *anyone* here know anyone (or IS someone) who is/was a sysadmin (or related/married to same) of an F-series HP 1000? If so, can you/they render any help? 2) Does anyone have access to a set of F-series manuals, especially installation reference manuals? If so, are they in electronic format; if not, can you/they bear to part with them for at least as long as it will take me to scan them? 3) Has anyone got a suitable demuxer? (8-port, takes centronix plug & has 8 D25 socket outputs) Cheers y'all. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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HP 16C

by Vincent.Fontaine＠alcatel.be

Hi Brian, I have seen on this site http://www.classiccmp.org/ that you are looking for a HP 16C. If you wish, I can send you a PC emulator of HP 16C. Regards, Vincent.

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #482 - 53 msgs

by bpechter＠monmouth.com

cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:46:22 -0600 >From: Jeffrey Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: OT: FreeBSD (was: "Real Computers") >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > >Well, here's my OT post for the month. > >On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, Philip Pemberton wrote: > > >>I'll try FreeBSD when I've got a spare few hours to download the ISO >>image. >> >> > >You might find it easier to install by FTP. It's simple: download two floppy >disk images, dd 'em to some 3.5s, and reboot. Then install as normal, except >choose FTP as the install media. It isn't lightning-fast, but you also only >download the data that you need instead of an entire ISO. > >ObClassicCmp: FreeBSD makes a great OS for running classic computing tools >like SIMH. > > > >>Slackware is quite stable, probably because Slackware have a "We're not >>going to hack the Kernel, nor are we going to use any fancy packaging >>systems or init scripts". >> >> > >I've heard many people say that Slackware is the most BSD-like of the >Linuces. Of course, that was on Slashdot, so it must be true. > > I'd recommend going with 4.7 rather than 5.0 since the 5.0 is pretty much the developer relese for the folks working on the non-stable version... Anyone who gets the Simh VAX emulator to use ethernet on FreeBSD will have my undying gratitude. There's going to be a 4.8 soon (my box auto-builds weekly from the 4.x-STABLE tree and now is calling itself 4.8-PRERELEASE.) Bill

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #482 - 53 msgs

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 Frank Arnold <fm.arnold(a)gmx.net> wrote: > cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 25.02.2003: > >From: <chu(a)verizon.net> > >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > >Subject: Help with my PDP 11/73 > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:36:31 -0800 > > > >I have gotten my PDP 11/73 to > >start up and go through an initialization > >script for RSX-11Mplus. However, I do not > >know any uids/passwords, so I cannot > >login; I can only watch the script go by. > >I am able, while the script is running, to break > >into MCR and run commands like PDP and DMP. > >I am able to dump in octal > >some of the files like [0,0]001054.DIR;1. > >Does anyone know where the user names/passwords > >are stored? My memory says that the maybe > >they are not encrypted? Is that so? > > The passwords are stored in a file [0,0]RSX11M.sys if I recall it correctley. > Should be a rather small file, just pip it to the printer to see it, it should > be an ASCII-file. > I think that after version 3.2 of rsx11m passwords were encripted, before that, > in plain text. Copy this file to some other media and delete it from your > system disk, After a new cold start you should have an open system. with RUN > $ACNT you can create new user-accounts if you desire. This should probably be in an FAQ for RSX. 1. The passwords along with all account information is stored in LB:[0,0]RSX11.SYS 2. The file is not an ASCII file. 3. Passwords in RSX11M are not encrypted, while passwords in RSX11M+ are. 4. (and this is the important one) to break into an RSX system: When the system boots, abort the startup script. (If it asks for the time, press ^Z, if it just runs ahead, press ^C and type ABO AT. (the period is *not* optional)). Run $ACNT, which is the account managing program. Change password for a system account (anything with a group number <= 10) Reboot, and then log in. A small explanation: When the system boots, the console terminal is privileged. The startup script normally finished by logging out the console. If you stop it before that, you'll remain logged in at a privileged terminal. This can be regarded as a security problem. Normally it wasn't, since people are not supposed to have access to the console terminal of a computer. It's locked away inside the computer hall. If you want to, you can protect yourself against this exploit, but noone does. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Floppy drive for Zenith 100

by acme＠ao.net

Lawrence -- Most likely the manual you have is for the Xerox 16/8. Later -- Glen 0/0 > Basicly it was the CP/M system ported to the Intel > CPU. Along with the Zenith, the DEC Rainbow used it > (and CP/M-80, CCP/M, MSDOS). TMK both had dual > x80 and x86 processors. I also have a binder put out by > Xerox which has Digital Researches original manual > CP/M-86 Programmers Guide, so possibly Xerox had a > machine that used it. It's dated 3rd edition, January 1983 > I believe the OS is still available out there, possibly on > Tim Olmsteads old site now run by Gene Buckle. > > Lawrence > > > On 25 Feb 2003, , Tillman, Edward wrote: > > > Hmm... Would anyone be willing/able to explain the CP/M-86 > > OS to me -- either on or off the list? I'm still new enough > > that DOS was my world until Windoze came along... > > > > Cheers > > > > Ed > > San Antonio, Tx, USA

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Check out this TI99/4 on eBay

by acme＠ao.net

From: TeoZ <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> Date: 02/25/2003 11:18 PM > Its funny to me how a computer with a crappy keyboard like that model is > worth so much more then the better later version with a proper keyboard. The > computers I collect actually get used so if I ever wanted a Ti it would be > the one with the nicer keyboard. My first computer was a timex 2068 and > learning to program on chicklet keyboards sucks. Yeah, well, for those of us who started with a ZX81/TS1000, the TS2068 keyboard was a big step up :>) Later -- Glen 0/0

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SCSI cards

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

IBM PC-DOS 3.30 could support 4 partitions, one Primary and 3 Extended. The primary partition is limited to 32MB. Extended partitions can be divided into a number of logical drives, each limited to 32MB. What limits the number of ligical drives (beyond the disk capacity) is the availability of drive letters: the primary partition is assigned to Drive C: (unless you have more than two floppy drives), and the logical drives get letters from D: through Z:. By my calculations, with all 24 hard drive letters assigned, the limit is 768MB. -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:39 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: SCSI cards --- Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> wrote: > I'm pretty sure that msdos 3.11 supported multiple partitions :) It does. I have a PS/2 Model 30 (ISA) with a 50MB RLL drive replacing the original IBM IDE-ish drive. Two partitions under MS-DOS 3.11, one 30MB, one 20MB. The problem is that there is a small number of partitions possible (I don't recall if FDISK works the same way under 3.x as it did later), certainly no more than 4 primary partitions. DOS 4.x came out (as bad as it was) before 200MB drives were common. By the time "everybody" was buying "larger" drives, DOS 5.0 was out, solving several problems with historical baggage. > also if I had a SCSI controller in the beastie I'd probably go on the > quest for rainbow Venix :) Hmm... I would expect you'd need a Venix driver for it. If you _really_ wanted a challenge, you could port Minix to the Rainbow. Sources are available. Writing a Minix driver for the FDC might be interesting (not sure how much suitable documentation exists). -ethan

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RSX11M passwords, (was: Help with my PDP 11/73)

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 25.02.2003: >From: <chu(a)verizon.net> >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Help with my PDP 11/73 >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:36:31 -0800 > >I have gotten my PDP 11/73 to >start up and go through an initialization >script for RSX-11Mplus. However, I do not >know any uids/passwords, so I cannot >login; I can only watch the script go by. >I am able, while the script is running, to break >into MCR and run commands like PDP and DMP. >I am able to dump in octal >some of the files like [0,0]001054.DIR;1. >Does anyone know where the user names/passwords >are stored? My memory says that the maybe >they are not encrypted? Is that so? > The passwords are stored in a file [0,0]RSX11M.sys if I recall it correctley. Should be a rather small file, just pip it to the printer to see it, it should be an ASCII-file. I think that after version 3.2 of rsx11m passwords were encripted, before that, in plain text. Copy this file to some other media and delete it from your system disk, After a new cold start you should have an open system. with RUN $ACNT you can create new user-accounts if you desire. Frank

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Floppy drive for Zenith 100

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... Would anyone be willing/able to explain the CP/M-86 OS to me -- either on or off the list? I'm still new enough that DOS was my world until Windoze came along... Cheers Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of acme(a)ao.net > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:13 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Floppy drive for Zenith 100 > > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > Date: 02/20/2003 7:58 PM > > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 acme(a)ao.net wrote: > > > > > > OR you can get a copy of MS-DOS 4.00 and patch it to run on the > Z-100. > > > > > > Jeez, Joe, now I'm really gagging. MS-DOS on a Z-100? Yuck. > > > > The Z-100 was intended as a dual OS machine. You had the best > > (presumably) of both worlds: CP/M and MS-DOS. > > Sure -- that's how I set mine up, but to me, running MS-DOS on it makes it > too > much like a run-of-the-mill PC, whereas running CP/M-86 gives it more of a > "vintage" flavor. Make sense? (I'm not feeling very articulate today) > > Later -- > > Glen > 0/0 [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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Lambda Compudialer?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Anyody know anything about a Lambda Compudialer 729? It looks kind of like a desktop calculator but it's actually a phone dialer. It's not the automatic dialer advertised by those telephone SCAMMERS Compudial. This dates from 1979. Joe

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Floppy drive for Zenith 100

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

I Don't know that it is, or at least don't know if the system will acknowledge its full capacity. CPUs and RAM were pretty small then, and the BIOS didn't like being pushed for more than 320k. Before asking if the system can handle it, you might wanna look into the BIOS, and see if *it* can handle it. Cheers... Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of "Hurd, > Kenneth Steven CIV" <kenneth.hurd(a)navy.mil> > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:58 AM > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Floppy drive for Zenith 100 > > Hello, > > Do you know if it is possible to install a 1.44MB floppy drive in a > Zenith > 100? > > Thank you. > > Ken. [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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SCSI cards

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> >I just wish I could find the SCSI controller that a German company made > >for the DEC Rainbow. it'd be nice to pull the 20 meg HD out and drop a > >500 meg SCSI in it's place :) > > Wow! Is this documented? That *does* sound cool. Though I'm not sure just > how long it'd take to defragment... :-) > How did it work with the OS's, which were limited to disk sizes nothing > like 500 Meg? > - Mark That's a valid question, how big of an drive will the OS's on a Rainbow support? I'm guessing you might be limited to 30MB, even if you've a bigger drive in the system. IIRC, CP/M and old versions of DOS only support up to 30MB. Zane

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STOP! (RE: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT R e: (no subject))

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Concur. > Guys. Stop. Topic. Nuf said. [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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Help ID this board...

by petrock00＠hotmail.com

Hey, I was wondering if someone could help me ID this card. I found this board in an old Macintosh IIx at a swap meet... When I opened up the case I saw this big (about 12 inches long and 4 inches wide) BLUE board plugged into one of the NuBus slots. It has two large chips on it with the markings Xilinx XC2018-70 PC84C. There is only one port on the card that looks like a 9 pin VGA or serial port. It has a hand written serial number (1570156), and a part number of 10008 Rev#2. There is only one sticker on the card that says "1990 LTI; All Rights Reserved; Ver DPDII 52290H" Does anyone have a clue? Since the board is blue, I figured that its probably a prototype of something, maybe a video card?? Thanks in advance... --Rob

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Help ID this board...

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> I was wondering if someone could help me ID this card. I found this board > in an old Macintosh IIx at a swap meet... > Does anyone have a clue? Since the board is blue, I figured that its > probably a prototype of something, maybe a video card?? Thanks in > advance... if it isn't video, possibly a token ring card? I'm sure somebody made them... cheers, Jules Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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QBUS SCSI card...

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hi Gene, > That's just amazing. I never knew the demand for those things was that > high. I wish the guy that was doing the IDE controllers had entered > production. :) I think a lot of people, "personal users" too, are getting tired of struggling with RD-5x drive unreliability, and/or want the larger storage capacities they could obtain with SCSI Best Regards At 11:00 PM 2/23/03 -0800, you wrote: > > I took a look at the CTP dealer listing index, and the current listed > prices > > for UC08's run from a low of $300 to a high of $750 Out of the 12 listed > > that have prices showing, the average is $511.25 > > > > There was a UC07 recently on eBay in the UK that sold for GBP 252.00 > > (currently approx. US $397.91 ) > > > > EMULEX UCO7 Q-BUS SCSI CONTROLLER FOR DEC > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2307510324 > > > >That's just amazing. I never knew the demand for those things was that >high. I wish the guy that was doing the IDE controllers had entered >production. :) > >g.

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Final page for John Willis...

by msspc＠rev.net

John, my repeated attempts to get some type of resolution for that CDROM you received in November have met with no response to date from you. Please contact me by March 10th. I'm looking for payment of the agreed-on fees or the return of the CDROM drive. Thank you, Frank Helvey -- ==== M O N T V A L E S O F T W A R E S E R V I C E S P. C. ==== Clayton Frank Helvey President Montvale Software Services, P. C. P.O. Box 840 Blue Ridge, VA 24064-0840 United States of America Phone 540.947.5364 ===================================================================

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Care and Feeding of Trolls

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

To Marvin and Mail List... You both make correct deductions... I like this list, and have a lot more fun conversing about Model I TRS-80's and Tandon Floppy Drives than wasting time trying to answer drivel, point by point. And I want to remain welcome on this interesting list. So, the troll can say or do whatever he likes. Being a troll, I can now ascribe any posts from under the bridge to it's proper value. There's been some news on the Amiga Emulation front. It seems that on http://www.umilator.com , Bernd Meyer may relent on his decision never to release Umilator (A 68k Amiga Emulator that runs on a Linux Kernal using some technology Bernd created for UAE-JIT, and some new stuff... Supposedly the fastest and most compatible emulator ever written.). He requires a certain number of people to commit to buying it, as there will be some legal battles with the people who claim to own Amithlon, which is a similar project that Bernd wrote code for. It seems that one person has decided he is the founder and creator of the software (but only contributed some minor code that by all reports is buggy and feature incomplete), and the distributor also claims to own the software as well. So far, nobody has been able to substantiate either paries claims, and Bernie will have to defend his right to market a product that shares little common code (some of the code is GPL, so Bernie is free and clear to use it. And unlike the other parties, Bernie has a legal licence from Amiga to include their IP in his product.), doesn't use the same name, and has significant rewritten code and new features. But intimidation and threats by these parties have kept Bernie from releasing it, as he doesn't have the financial depth to defend a suit in Germany from Australia. Nor, the desire to be put through all the stress of a suit. I guess, he's changed his mind about the stress. And decided that if the project could generate enough money, he'd defend his rights to market it on principle. So, if you want to see Bernie be rewarded for his excellent work, and people who want to keep his product from ever seeing the light of day get their due for their selfishness, go take a look and register in the poll for people willing to buy the product once available. Supposedly it's done and can be released. Bernie is just waiting for enough committed buyers so he can be sure he won't lose his shirt with the court costs when all the frivolous suits get filed. I posted that not only would I buy it, I'd also contribute to a legal defense fund. Sorry for the long message, hope this of more interest to the list than troll droppings.. Regards, Al Hartman (Macintosh Emulation List Host) http://www.topica.com/lists/MacEmuList My Homepage http://www.geocities.com/alhartman Enlightenment means taking full responsibility for your life. - William Blake

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Trivia Question

by zmerch＠30below.com

With my contemplation of purchasing a new Sony Picturebook, I was wondering: What was the first portable computer that weighed less than 1Kg? [[I'm assuming that it'd be older than 10 years, so it should be ontopic...]] Any pointers appreciated! :-) Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Floppy drive for Zenith 100

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... Gagging? I ran DOS 2.x and 3.x in the USAF on everything from Z-100s to Z248s. A bit sloggy by current standards, but they ran... Cheers! Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of Joe > <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:21 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Floppy drive for Zenith 100 > > At 04:49 PM 2/20/03 -0800, Sellam wrote: > >On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 acme(a)ao.net wrote: > > > >> > OR you can get a copy of MS-DOS 4.00 and patch it to run on the > Z-100. > >> > >> Jeez, Joe, now I'm really gagging. MS-DOS on a Z-100? Yuck. > > > >The Z-100 was intended as a dual OS machine. You had the best > >(presumably) of both worlds: CP/M and MS-DOS. > > You forgot to include CPM-86. > > Joe [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

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FYI: 25th Anniversary of Ward Christensen's BBS

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The following link is to the story in the February 16th Chicago Tribune. Not the most detailed story, but still some recognition of an important event in computer history. http://www.chicagotribune.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=chi%2D03021 60428feb16&section=%2Ftechnology Bob

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Fujitsu MB15140 chips for 2351 Eagle Availiable

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/24/03 3:36:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > 'TTL Bipolar 500-gate Master Slice LSI' gate array, set up as the > HDA sequencer for the 2351 Eagle drive. According to the manual for that > drive, this chip handles the sequnce control of the spidle motor and the > generation of machine status information. > Thanks for the help Tony. These chips might have had some value when I got them (early 1990s) but I bet they are scrap now. I wonder how many Eagles 2351 and Super Eagles 2361s that are left working. If anyone is maintaining Fujitsu 2351 Eagles and needs some, please contact me off list at Innfosale(a)aol.com. I am intending to dispose of these soon. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I've posted some pictures of the IBM digital demo unit at <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/ibm/>. Any info on using it would be appreciated. Also posted is the schematic of the TH-1, "one shot" using the 2D21 tube (SCR with a pilot light!). Joe

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