- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by zmerch＠30below.com

Awrighty... I have pix on the web now... for those who aren't graphically challenged, here's the directory: http://www.30below.com/~zmerch/6809 and a quick directory listing, with a comment of each: 6809board_1.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:00 269K - Big pic of entire board 6809board_1_s.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:04 64K - Same pic as above, but small 6809board_end.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:04 28K - End pic showing ports & logo 6809board_silkscreen.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:05 8.0K - Small pic showing silkscreen -- I didn't take a picture of the back - there was nothing of consequence that I could see - no parts or silkscreen... but if anyone needs a pic of it, lemme know. The system this came out of was an AT&T "StarSystem" - a 386 clone w/10Mbit ethernet, VGA & the usual stuff on the mobo... I may spark up the system tomorrow, just to see what kind of schtuff might still be on the HD... Anyway, if anyone's got a clue, I'd be most appreciated! Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Please help with Board ID

by zmerch＠30below.com

Just had a bunch of "stuff" dropped off at the store, not the least of which 2 AT&T 3b2/EXP boxen with 5.25" floppies & several RJ-type ports in the back, and we also got a x86-based AT&T box (386, methinks) and in it there is an 8-bit board with the follwing markings: "TIL-XPC" and "TIL SYSTEMS LTD. XPC91 REV 2.0" It's got 4 RJ45 ports (I'm guessing RS-232, from all the 1488's & 1489's...) 4 R6551's, an MC68B54 & an MC68B09EP... Is this just a 4-port serial board with the 6809 playing traffic cop, or is it an "elusive" OS-9 - based SBC? If it's the former, not any great shakes to me (tho I might keep it just in case I need replacement parts for my CoCos...) but if it's the latter... I'll be looking for some software... ;-) Thanks for any help, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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Free IBM PC stuff for pickup

by fubar01＠cyberonic.com

Hi folks -- This is probably not the forum for this question, but I don't know where to go with it. I've got lots of earlier IBM PC equipment and software (i286-i486). My storage facility is closing down and I've got to move it or lose it. Where do I post list of this equipment for pickup? It's in Oakland, CA right now. -- Roy Zider 415-956-2413

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Some newer old stuff for sale

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm passing this along. If interested, please contact the original sender. Reply-to: bobbrill(a)migate.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:10:01 -0500 From: Bob Brill <bobbrill(a)migate.net> Subject: A sturdy old computer for sale I've got the following items for sale, all in good working order (with the exception of the keyboard). Compaq 386 (20 Mhz speed, 60 MB hard drive, one 5.25" floppy drive, one 3.5" floppy drive, keyboard, Hercules monochrome video card). Built like a tank. Still works great. The keyboard has a few bad keys, but since it is a standard AT keyboard, it would be easy to replace. Comes with all the original software and manuals, including DOS 3.3, Basic, Hercules utilities and fonts. Samsung monochrome (amber) monitor. (Works well with the Hercules video card.) Iomega external ZIP drive with SCSI card, software and installation instructions. Artist XJS video card with BNC cables, software and manuals. Supports three display resolutions, non-interlaced: 1024 x 768 (16 or 256 colors), 1280 x 1024 (16 colors), 1600 x 1200 (16 colors). The 2 MB of onboard memory can be configured to lie in the address space of the host computer, a very advanced concept for the time. Irwin 400 series tape backup unit with ISA card, manuals, backup software and nine 60 MB tapes. Bob ************************************** * * * See algorithmic imagery at: * * http://users.migate.net/~bobbrill * * * ************************************** -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >At 11:00 PM 3/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>Damm! Now there's something that you don't see everyday! >> >>I wonder how many are out there in private (non government) hands. >> >>I have seen one, in the D-Day Museum in New Orleans. > > I doubt there are any still in governement hands except perhaps in museums. But stop and think for a moment, every unit of the German army, air force, navy and even railroad police had one during WW II. They must have made tens if not handreds of thousands of these! And that's not including the ones that were probably used by Germany's allies. Hi It is most likely that this is one of the ones that was made after the war. Quite a few of these were made for other governments after the war. You'll note that he never said that this one was used during the war or mentioned a manufacture date. Dwight

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6809 Board ID, take 2...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I used to babysit an AT&T StarServer, a 486 Unix box. It had a board in it (unfortunately I rarely had the oppoutunity to have the box open and don't know what the board was labeled) that served as a multiport serial connection. It could connect to 4 "concentrators" that were flat metal boxes with 16 RJ45 port serial ports that went to dumb terminals. Your card might be similar. The RAM could be for buffering. BTW, the concentrators were very touchy and often failed. They were also static sensitive. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:11 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: 6809 Board ID, take 2... <snip> The system this came out of was an AT&T "StarSystem" - a 386 clone w/10Mbit ethernet, VGA & the usual stuff on the mobo... I may spark up the system tomorrow, just to see what kind of schtuff might still be on the HD... Anyway, if anyone's got a clue, I'd be most appreciated! Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Apple II Prometheus Versacard

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

Hello All, Can anyone post the dip/jumper settings for this multi-function card? Also, does anyone know if it claims to be Super Serial Card compatible? I'm trying to run ADT over it but not having much success. Thanks. dc

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Please help with Board ID

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Sounds like he's run into the baby-sister of Radiant company's proprietary "Power-8" serial card (loosely based on an old Boca design). Its an 8-port powered serial card made to handle 8 RJ45/RS-232 connections, and is driven by a rather bulky (and balky) DefaultX command appliction (similar to a fusion of config.sys and autoexec.bat all rolled into one). It sports a "Basis" CL-PD6729-QC-E and 2 "XP" ST-16C554DC9 chips, as well as a few that aren't quite readable. When it works, its a wonder. When it fails (it always seems to fail one-port-at-a-time...) its a nightmare. (Ever wanna see what happens when the peripheral at the other end of the RS-232 is also powered?? How about ungrounded??) Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 6:51 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Please help with Board ID Rumor has it that Tony Duell may have mentioned these words: > I wrote before that... > > "TIL-XPC" and "TIL SYSTEMS LTD. XPC91 REV 2.0" > > > > It's got 4 RJ45 ports (I'm guessing RS-232, from all the 1488's & > > 1489's...) 4 R6551's, an MC68B54 & an MC68B09EP... Is this just a 4-port > > serial board with the 6809 playing traffic cop, or is it an "elusive" OS-9 > > - based SBC? > Anywho, I'll write back when I have pix... Tony - is there any format of pictures you can view, or are you text-only? I have some software that can spit out IFF (Amiga, isn't it?), SUN, SGI & Targa...

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine

by mranalog＠attbi.com

William Donzelli wrote: > Calling an Enigma a computer is really stretching the definition. They > are incredibly simple machines - the internal circuitry consists of not > much more than a battery, wires, the wheels (fancy rotary switches, > basically), a plugboard, and a bunch of lightbulbs. Simple is as simple does If you need to build a computer the size of a small room to decipher an Enigma then I would not call an Enigma simple. As for computers - the abacus has been used for a thousand years to perform calculations in situations that would make the use of a Pentium 4 either inappropriate or impossible. So what does that have to do with computers? Well it was humans doing mundane calculations that were first granted the title of computer. In order to be PC :) I choose to define a computer simply as "A machine that calculates". Under this defintion I include not only human beings but also the human brain. Of course, compared to the human brain, Pentium computers "are incredibly simple machines - the internal circuitry consists of not much more than a battery, wires,......" Hans Franke wrote: > Well, as far as it goes, a computer needs to be able to: > a) have a stored (changeable) programm > b) execute instructions conditionaly > c) do a loop > sometimes also cited: > d) a way for input/output I would disagree with this even if you would have said digital computer. My definitions are: Computer - A machine that calculates. Digial computer - A computer that performs mathematical operations in a sequential manner on discrete variables. Analog computer - A computer that performs mathematical operations in a parallel manner on continuous variables. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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Free Scanning Electron Microscope

by j.r.engdahl＠safeaccess.com

Free scanning electron microscope to whoever wants to come haul it away. It was left by the previous occupant of my lab, and it's blocking the hallway. I want it out of there. There are four main pieces, plus some parts and manuals in boxes. I don't know anything about this, but I will describe it's appearance: - microscope unit - desk high box with precision stainless steel tower, shoulder high - ISI Robinson detector mounted on side - Perkin Elmer gizmo mounted up high - other probes and sample holders sticking out at odd angles - very rocket science - no other name plates visible without moving a lot of stuff - viewing station and analog controls console - name plate: ISI WB-6 - built-in CRT - lots of knobs and buttons - very mission control - Tracor Northern computer - floor standing console a little larger than an ASR-33 - two 5" floppies - card cage inside - Intel 8080 microprocessor - keyboard - no hard drive, don't think it ever had one - separate RGB CRT - a 2' box with lots of wires and tubes coming out of it (vacuum pump?) - a 3~4 gallon tank that looks like it bolts on the side of the tower - a small rack with instrumentation modules in it The date plate on the back of the viewing console says 1985. It was used by our semiconductor quality control department to look at the insides of integrated circuits. Rumor has it that there is a vacuum leak in this somewhere, it probably needs a new gasket. It is already uninstalled and ready to roll away. I found a web page with a picture of a similar unit. Our machine has an very similar viewing console, but we have more stuff mounted on the microscope itself. http://www.optics.arizona.edu/Milster/Labdescriptions/Misc.htm ***NOTE*** This thing has a radiation sign on it (X-rays). Transportation and use is regulated by the Ohio Dept. of Health, Division of Radiology. I understand you need to get a permit to move, own, or operate it. If you are really interested in this, you need to know how to get the required permits. If you are interested I can take some pictures and send them. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 1 Allen-Bradley Drive Advanced Technology Mayfield Heights, OH 44124 http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net

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IBM PC bios source available

by melamy＠earthlink.net

Hi all, I don't know if anyone is doing anything with the original PC, but when I had mine I converted it to an XT with a 15meg hard drive. I ended up typing in the PC monitor and modifying it so the bios had a drive entry for the hard drive I had purchased (actually I bought a 10meg and they gave me a 15meg instead). I have a zip file that has both the orginal source and my modified copy if anyone is interested. Just email my privately and I will pass the ZIP on. best regards, Steve Thatcher

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6809 Board ID, take 2...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

The only clue I have is that the AT&T StarLAN system used a star topology. I suspect this board is part of a local hub and had a single AT&T PC hooked up to each port. I don't think the AT&T StarLAN system is true Ethernet but someone else will have to speak to that. I do believe the AT&T StarLAN system used RJ45 connectors and was around with 386 systems. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Books & stuff that must go now

by jamesl＠bestweb.net

I have a big pile of Computer & related books, plust software, etc that need to be gotten rid of. We're tyring to clear out a house so that we can rent it out, and these items need to be moved out ASAP. All items are currently stored in Westchester County, NY as of 2003/02/28. However, it may be necessary to re-locate them to northeast Putnam county for storage. You will need to pick them up, if you want them. No picking & chosing; get together with some friends and divide them amongst yourselves. Email me at jamesl(a)bestweb.net Master page at: http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/ToGetRidOf.html Computer Books http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_ComputerBooks.html Non-computer books (but related) http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_BooksNonComp.html Journals (ACM, IBM) http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_Journals.html Magazines http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_magazines.html Others http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_Other.html Software http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_Software.html

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... Doesn't think this is a computer, eh? Wonder what it *is* then? It calculates, and provides a results of those calculations into some kind of output -- usually on paper. Actually, there's an even older, wooden computer that provided a visual output. What was it? (Is this OT? Both units compute, and are over 10 years old...) Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:37 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay. Damm! Now there's something that you don't see everyday! Joe At 04:45 PM 3/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >I don't think this is a computer but maybe someone would be interested. > >ENIGMA Cypher machine army model: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2162414185

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by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

No, it doesn't qualify as "heavy iron". Dwight >From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> > >But does it have casters or wheels (outside, not inside)? <GD&R> > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:18 PM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: RE: possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay. > ><snip> > >It isn't a general purpose computing machine but it is >clearly a computing machine. >Dwight

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

But does it have casters or wheels (outside, not inside)? <GD&R> -----Original Message----- From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:18 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay. <snip> It isn't a general purpose computing machine but it is clearly a computing machine. Dwight

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by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "William Donzelli" <aw288(a)osfn.org> > >> I think this one does have the ability to do a loop. >> The rotating wheels constitutes a three level loop. >> In fact, it is hard wired to loop. >> Lets see: >> >> a. Changing wheels and order changes stored program >> b. Hitting different keys causes conditional change of output >> c. Wheels generate nested loops >> d. Keyboard and display form I/O >> >> It looks like it meets your list. > >SSSSTTTTRRREEETTTCCCHHH....... > >I should point out the the four way switch I use to turn on the lights in >my kitchen folllow the basic ideas of the Enigma. Do I live in a a computer? > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org > No, it doesn't meet either a or c. It is arguable as to b. I'll give you d. I don't think I stretched on any of the ones I listed. Well, maybe a little on b but the rest are quite clear. It isn't a general purpose computing machine but it is clearly a computing machine. Dwight

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by cb＠mythtech.net

>There's a fellow here on the east coast that actually let me touch his >enigma. Humm... maybe its best to let this one go :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by cb＠mythtech.net

>but then the conditional execution is still missing. Couldn't you consider the result from pressing a button the conditional excution? It is at the simplest form "if button x is pressed then display result y". -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi There is a web site that you can locate through the Bletchie (sp?) Park site that has an on line enigma machine. The entire thing can be emulated quickly on most any uP. Dwight >From: "Ron Hudson" <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> > >On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Ron Hudson wrote: > >> Well it seems I am from france or somthing... >> >> EBAY wont let me see the auction. > >Even stranger--- I could see this item from a PC laptop >at home, but not from my Safari running Mac iBook. > ><pout> Waaaa! </pout> > >Anyway there are emulations of this beast for windows. > > >> >> >> On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:38 PM, Joe wrote: >> >>> At 04:48 PM 3/7/03 -0700, ben franchuk wrote: >>>> Andrew Strouse wrote: >>>>> I don't think this is a computer but maybe someone would be >>>>> interested. >>>>> >>>>> ENIGMA Cypher machine army model: >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2162414185 >>>> >>>> >>>> But you need a PAIR of them :) >>> >>> Not if you send messages to yourself! >>> >>> Joe :-)

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New bounties ($$$)

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "Bob Lafleur" <bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com> > > There was a program I used for serial port sharing > back around 1986 or so. It was a DOS TSR. You'd run > the "host" TSR on the machine with the port(s) to > share, and the other machines would run client > TSR's. I just looked, and I don't seem to have it, > or anything that seems to jog my memory. > Unfortunately, I don't recall it's name. It's part of DOS 4.0 and up... Interlnk.exe and Intersvr.exe I don't remember exactly how to do it. One of the two programs goes into the config.sys of it's computer, and the other is run from a DOS prompt. I always found Laplink easier for file transfer, though I used this method to share my desktop floppy with my laptop that didn't have one. Regards, Al

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ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Honniball [mailto:coredump@gifford.co.uk] > > It's in an ICL One Per Desk, and of course is capable of > pulse-dialling > only. Have you considered repairing the one you've got? > Actually, it's just occurred to me; it should be capable of tone or pulse dialling - it's set on the dipswitch bank on top of the module. Unless your module is rather older than mine?

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Interlnk (was RE: New bounties ($$$) )

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

No, should work with either serial (3-wire or 7-wire null-modem cable) or parallel (bidirectional cable). However, for intersvr /rcopy, if you are using any port other than COM1 on the _destination_ computer, make sure you are _not_ running SHARE on that computer. -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:06 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Interlnk (was RE: New bounties ($$$) ) Feldman, Robert wrote: > Correct. > > On the _client_ computer, add the following line to CONFIG.SYS: > > device=c:\dos\interlnk.exe > > (if interlnkexe is in C:\Dos, of course!). > > On the _server_ computer, at the command prompt, type: > > intersvr<cr> > > Intersvr can also pump the needed files to a second computer using: > > intersvr /rcopy<cr> Doesn't that have a restriction of being only with a serial connection? I don't think that works with parallel. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Power pinouts for Compaq SLT286?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I'm not sure you understood my question. I was asking about pin 4 the power transformer pinout, not the battery. Using the information you provided, though, I opened up my SLT over the weekend and pulled out the power supply unit. Looks like the middle two of the battery contacts are for charging, as the one on the left is ground and the one on the right goes directly to a small fuse. Pinouts on the power supply connector are harder to trace (especially with the limited equipment I have). So, anyway, I put 12V into the contacts in the unit where the battery fits and turned on the switch. The keyboard LEDs went on for a second, then off -- no beeps or other sounds. A little more investigation revealed that the LED Indicator board is missing. It fits in the memory shield and plugs in at the front of the motherboard. From what little it says and shows in the Maintenance and Service Guide pdf (amazingly available on the Compaq web site!), the LED Indicator board just has LEDs, so it shouldn't be too hard to duplicate or work around, but it would be nice to get a scan of both sides of that board (hint hint :) ). Bob -----Original Message----- From: JP Hindin [mailto:jplist@kiwigeek.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:11 PM To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: Power pinouts for Compaq SLT286? On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Feldman, Robert wrote: > Thanks, this is a good start. > Question, though: on the brick, is pin 4 positive or negative? They're all +vDC. I charged the batt up, and now 2 & 3 show 12.9v, and 4 shows 13.9v, so there's some tolerances for you. (Nothing you didn't expect, I'm sure) JP > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: JP Hindin [mailto:jplist@kiwigeek.com] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:19 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Power pinouts for Compaq SLT286? > > <snip> > > The battery, when looking at it towards the connectors: > ---------------------- > | XXXX | > |______________________| > Where X's are contacts, from left to right: > GND, 12.5v, 12.5v, 13.3v > (Batt is Compaq part #130538, Model 2682) > > > I don't know enough about electronics to understand how the power supply > works. The unit has two lights, which I'm guessing are 'On' and 'Charging > Battery'. When the unit is first turned on, the 'On' pulses. > There are Eight pins, not 6: (Piss poor ASCII arrangement on left, my pin > numbering on right) > > X X X 1 2 3 > X X X 4 5 6 > _ _ 7 8 > > If you cross 3 & 6, the 'On' light stays on, presumably the trigger to > tell it to send voltage. > With one probe between the 3&6, and another on 4, I get 18vDC. > <snip> > > JP Hindin

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

> Hi, > > "Adrian Vickers" <adrian.vickers(a)blue-edged.com> said: > > > > Absoulutely. Now, a /real/ rarity would be a 4-rotor U-boat > cipher; of > > which probably only hundreds were made, and most will be > quitely rusting > > & rotting at the bottom of the ocean... > > We have a salvaged U-Boat here on Merseyside, not far from Adrian's > famous shed. I wonder what happened to the Enigma machine?? Good point; although as that Boat was sunk, I suspect the enigma was destroyed either by the crew, or by spending 40-odd years under water. I've heard that they're going to preserve it as-is (i.e. in it's rusty wrecked state), which I think is a shame; it'd be interesting to see it restored IMHO. One of these days, I really must get around to visiting the historic ships...

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Interlnk (was RE: New bounties ($$$) )

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Correct. On the _client_ computer, add the following line to CONFIG.SYS: device=c:\dos\interlnk.exe (if interlnkexe is in C:\Dos, of course!). On the _server_ computer, at the command prompt, type: intersvr<cr> Intersvr can also pump the needed files to a second computer using: intersvr /rcopy<cr> -----Original Message----- From: vance(a)neurotica.com [mailto:vance@neurotica.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:56 AM To: Doc Shipley Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: New bounties ($$$) <snip> I'm pretty sure it's INTERLNK that runs in CONFIG.SYS and INTERSVR runs on command-line. Peace... Sridhar

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

> From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] > > >I wonder how many are out there in private (non government) hands. > > > I doubt there are any still in governement hands except > perhaps in museums. But stop and think for a moment, every > unit of the German army, air force, navy and even railroad > police had one during WW II. They must have made tens if not > handreds of thousands of these! And that's not including the > ones that were probably used by Germany's allies. Absoulutely. Now, a /real/ rarity would be a 4-rotor U-boat cipher; of which probably only hundreds were made, and most will be quitely rusting & rotting at the bottom of the ocean... Cheers, Ade.

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PDP-11/34 Progress Report

by jss＠subatomix.com

I've made some progress with my PDP-11/34. Since last week's PSU corn-fusion, I pulled all the cards, air-dusted them, air-dusted and inspected the backplanes, took an inventory of jumper and DIP switch settings, put a minimal CPU+mem+console card set in, connected the backplanes to the PSU, and turned on the machine. It was a little more complicated than that, but I've got what seems to be a working 11/34 in my living room. Learned: As I had mentioned previously, my M9312 had a strange start address dialed into its DIP switches by one of the previous owners. That has to be a mistake. When the machine boots, it immediately halts. If I manually start the processor at the correct address for the console emulator, I get a steady run light. I do not have a console terminal attached yet. Learned: A previous owner had a rocker-style DIP switch block on the console DL11-W set backwards (i.e. one's complement of the correct setting). The DL11-W was being configured with the wrong interrupt vector. Learned: If you plug in a G727A bus grant card backwards, the processor will not halt. :-) To do: My only existing cable that plugs into a DL11-W is for 20mA current loop. I have a current loop VT52 that I haven't yet tested. I'll see if I can do that tomorrow. After all, it would be nice to know if the register printout is actually occurring. It's so late it's early; therefore, I should go to bed. Tomorrow I'll run some test programs! -- Jeffrey Sharp

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DECserver 200 hack...

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Found this a few minutes ago. Kinda neat... http://www.vaxman.de/projects/midi/midi200.html Bob

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HP1000 - Update

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Well, good news & bad news from the weekend regarding the HP1000's. First, the good news: I've confirmed that both CPUs are in working order, and they both have 4 bootloader ROMs. Testing went little further than this, because: a) I couldn't make it read from the disk, either because the interconnect is wrong, or I'd got my MAC address wrong, or hadn't done something required by the bootloader ROM, or don't have a disk bootloader. I tried all four ROMs, but no visible life from the disk. 'course, not having a terminal to plug in didn't help... b) The bad news - both 'A' and 'B' machine cabinet PSUs failed (with a distinct smell of Magic White Smoke about them), causing the supply ELCB to trip. I'm unsure as to whether it's the fan, or the PSU which caused the problem (the fan sounded pretty bad). The individual internal components (CPU, mem extender, etc.) are all fine, so surgery will be simple. However, I suspect the cause is damp, so I'm not going to fix & power up again until summer and/or I get the paraffin heater working again. And now, the s/w which came with the machine. All of this is on 1600bpi tape: KEY: Format of tape in square brackets, where none, either unknown or I forgot to write it down p/n = part number R. = Rev. (Revision) - where not present, I forgot to write down ------------------------------------------------------------------- RTE-IVB GRANDFATHER FILES R.2140 p/n 92084-13528 RTE-IVB p/n 92068-13605 RTE-IVB RELOCATABLES [SAVER] p/n 92068-13605 *3 RTE-IVB RELOCATABLES R.2301 [SAVER] p/n 92068-13605 RTE-IVB ONLY R.2226 [WRITT] p/n 92068-13605 RTE-IVB ONLY R.2213 [WRITT] p/n 92068-13605 RTE-IVB ONLY p/n 92068-13605 RTE-IVB & SUBSYS Cust 1600 MAG 8010-0490655, p/n unknown RTE-6 [SAVER format] p/n 92084-13528 RTE-6 p/n 92084-13538 RTE-6 CUST 1600 MAG R.2540 [TF] p/n 24998-13546 RTE-6/VM MASTER R.2340 [SAVER] p/n 92084-13528 RTE-6/VM & SUBSYS p/n 24998-13546 RTE-6(VM?) UPDATE p/n 24998-13538 RTE-6/VM [PSAVE] TAPE 1 of 2 p/n 92064-13506 RTE-6/VM [PSAVE] TAPE 2 of 2 p/n 92064-13517 CUSTOMISED RTE [TF] {see note 1 below} p/n 24998-13630 CUSTOM RTE O/S & SUBSYS DS5.0 UPDATE p/n 24998-13546 CUSTOM RTE O/S & SUBSYS DS5.1 UPDATE p/n 24998-13546 CUSTOM RTE O/S & SUBSYS DS5.1 UPDATE p/n 24998-13551 CUSTOM RTE O/S & SUBSYS DS5.1 UPDATE [FC] p/n 24998-13553 DS/1000 [FMGR] p/n 91750-13502 DS/1000-IV p/n 91750-13502 *2 DS SW ON MT (?) p/n 91750-13502 RTE-IVB IMAGE R.2040 p/n 92069-13502 RTE-IVB IMAGE R.2213 p/n 92069-13502 IMAGE/1000 [SAVER] p/n 92069-13502 RTE-IVB IMAGE R.2213 p/n 92069-13502 IMAGE R.2326 [FC] p/n 92069-13502 GRAPHICS/1000 [FMGR] p/n 92841-13502 GRAPHICS/1000 II p/n 92841-13502 RTE PROFILE MONITOR [TF] p/n 92068-13605 RTE PROFILE MONITOR R.2026 p/n 92083-13502 RTE PROFILE MONITOR R.2226 p/n 92083-13502 DEBUG/1000 R.2401 [TF] p/n 92860-13502 SYMB DEBUG0 R.2326 [FC] p/n 92860-13502 DSDFRTRN 7X/1000 (apr.18 1984) p/n 92836-13502 FORTRAN77 R.2213 [FC] p/n 92836-13502 FORTRAN77 R.2213 [FCOPY] p/n 92836-13502 FORTRAN77 R.2326 [FC] p/n 92836-13502 PASCAL/1000 R.2015 OPT 051 p/n 92832-13502 DGL DEMO#1 p/n 24998-13506 DGL MAG TAPE p/n 92841-13502 HP 935316 DUAL DISK DRIVER [SAVER] Rev.2215 p/n unknown TDC Driver p/n unknown OLD GRAPHICS -> NEW GRAPHICS (AUP) Conversion p/n unknown ------------------------------------------------------------------- Note 1: The "CUSTOMISED RTE" tape also has the following on it: Order No. : 80UB013758200000 System Handle: 8000319N A.B5.27 ------------------------------------------------------------------- As for the disk packs, these mostly have handwritten labels, some faded to obscurity. Three which looked interesting I wrote down: BASELINE MASTER SYSGEN MASTER ESS BASELINE MASTER BACKUP Also, 3 with just HP numbers: HP 2213F00180 HP 2213F01585 HP 1940F00102 Any info on what the latter three might be would be most useful. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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Free Computers in St. Louis: PCjr, Apple IIGS and more

by nickmiller＠charter.net

I've finally come to realization that I do not need 2 (or more) of every computer I can latch on to. I have a complete IBM PCjr system with monitor and keyboard and several Apple IIGS systems all with keyboard, monitor and floppy drive. I also have some CoCo 2's, TI-99/4A's, some ugly Amiga 1000's and some C-64's. I realize these are aren't the rarest of computers but they are still fun to tinker with and the price is right. These are free for pickup only, I will not ship them. If you're passing through the St. Louis area on I-70 in St. Charles drop me a line and we can arrange a meeting. If you are able to stop by and feel like geeking out I have 300ish computers in the basement including an Atari 1400XL with 1090XL box, Altair 8800, IMSAI 8080, PET 2001 and others that you might like to check out. Nick

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Iris Indigeo available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have an Silicon Graphics Iris Indigo available. It just the cpu box, no hard disk, keyboard, monitor or mouse. I do have the video cable. Uses MIPS 79R4400MC-75 processor. Neat purple cube computer. Best offer. Thanks Norm

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Intel iSBC manuals available

by anheier＠owt.com

I had a lot of people interested in these manuals, but I still have them. They are iSBC 86/14 and iSBC 86/30 Single board computer hardware reference manual and iSBC 661 Chassis reference manual $7 each + shipping or they go the the recycler on Wednesday--I need the room! Thanks Norm

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Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Fred wrote: >>On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> Being in Ohio, pickup is not an option, but if any list members who >> _do_ show up to collect them in person are willing to ship Ohio, please >> write me off-list and let's make arrangements. >Ethen (and everyone else who is interested), >I am securing the beasties, with the help from Megan, as she's >near there and can pick em up. From her's, I was planning on >shipping some of it to Europe (where I am right now) and store >the rest in my office in Calif. If anyone wants some of this, >lemme know off-list. Fred - I've asked him about 2 of the 200/MCs and 6 of the 300s. I have yet to hear back from him. Although I'm close to cambridge, I didn't know how many you wanted me to try for. I'm not sure my car or storage place (or my partner) is prepared to handle a great deal of them. I'll do what I can... Megan

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Info on Dataspeed's products

by apteconsulting＠attglobal.net

Happened to find this thread while searching for old colleagues; thought I would send you some info. I worked as an R&D Engineer at Dataspeed from during 1983-85, and was the principal developer of the Modio software. I left when Lotus purchased Dataspeed, and sadly, my stock options became worthless. With regards to the thread (included below), we were using the sideband on the PBS FM stations. At the time I left, we were airing stock, commodities, and futures data during "market hours", and sports during off-hours. The service was by subscription, and there was a hash algorithm which used the unit's serial number and the subscriber account number to generate the flags which activated various services. If memory serves, the flags were "splattered" across the memory map, e.g. bits in different locations together formed the service byte for a service. Lost contact with the other engineers and staff. One engineer is installing Internet in churches in Korea; one of the co-founders owned a sports bar in Pacifica, CA. But all this is old info. I still do have a framed Quotrek on my office wall ! Pass on this info as you deem fit. Gary Apte It's my understanding (infamously unreliable) that Lotus Signal was descended from DataSpeed's Modio which was descended from DataSpeed's Quotrek which dates back as far as 1981. - Jim Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc. "It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Johnston" <marvin(a)rain.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 01:35 Subject: Re: Lotus Signal Receiver, was Re: QUOTE or TICKER > I would be really curious to know how this thing works (or worked if the > service is no longer available.) The disks I have are for the PC or AT > and are on 5 1/4" floppies (probably 360K). I'll copy them onto a 3 1/2" > disk and bring it with me at the end of the month. If you have a power > supply with yours, what is the polarity (if not AC) and voltage? > > Has anyone on the list actually used one of these things? > > Mike Ford wrote: > > > > At 05:31 PM 1/29/03 -0800, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > >Mike, I have what I *think* is the same thing, and it is copyright 1986; > > >he was looking for pre 1984 or so. If you need copies of the software, > > >*assuming* the software I have is good, it won't be a problem. I can > > >bring it to TRW late this month. > > > > > >Anyone know what frequency this works on, and if the supporting > > >transmitter is still on the air? It indicated this was a subscription > > >service, and I would be most interested to know how they enforced that. > > > > > >Mike Ford wrote: > > > > > > > > At 11:46 PM 1/21/03 -0500, Jim Keohane wrote: > > > > > Looking for handheld quote device, ticker display or any peripheral > > > > > for IBM PC, Apple ][, etc. to pick up ticker broadcast via FM Broadcast > > > > > or geosynchronous satellite broadcast. Does not necessarilly have to be > > > > > functioning. User manual would be great. > > > > > > > > I have a Lotus box, but no software or paperwork. > > > > > > > > Lotus FM Receiver > > > > Mine has three ports on the back, antenna via coax F connector, serial DB25 > > thing, and BNC (data out, could ethernet maybe?). > > > > What platform do you have software for, and sure. ;) That will give me a > > good excuse to get my bones out to TRW. > > > > I think this type of device used sidebands of commercial broadcast > > frequencies, but I haven't looked inside, or hooked up an antenna to see > > what happens. > > > > No real guess on the pay/data controls, could be software, could be serial > > number related activation key broadcast in middle of data etc.

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Tandy 1000 EX; Commodore 64 + 1541? floppy

by root＠parse.com

Saw these at the local junkyard; any interest? Tandy 1000 EX Commodore 64 with 1541(?) 5.25" floppy drive Condition unknown. If there's anyone who's interested, please let me know and I'll be happy to pick them up for you. Let me know what your maximum price is (there was no price marked). + S/H (VISA/MC through my consulting company just to keep things simple). Cheers, -RK -- Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com

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Using a PS/2 Mouse on the GRiD 1755 Keyboard Port

by rpb＠rpb.com

Greetings everyone, Does anybody know how to use a PS/2 mouse on the keyboard port of a GRiD 1755/486 SLC Laptop? The manual says that the port will not support a PS/2 mouse, but I figure someone has developed a driver by now. Any clues? Thanks. Richard P. Burke Portland OR

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Free DEC MINC-11 in NW England

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Looks like there's a DEC MINC-11 in good condition to be had for free in the North of England. Please, somebody go save this thing from the skip! Maybe Adrian "Two Sheds" Vickers can use it for a climate control system for his garage... ;^) Here's the post: ======== From: eclunan1(a)aol.comnotanysp (Eclunan1) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Date: 28 Feb 2003 10:07:37 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: MINC 11 free in north west England Message-ID: <20030228050737.11472.00000175(a)mb-fx.aol.com> For anyone interested, I have a Digital Minc-11, type RX02M-MD, serial number WS1840, with clock and d/a plug-in modules, and Digital RX02 twin 10" floppy disk drive unit. Also two keyboard/printer units, Digital Decwriter II and III. Also one unopened and a part box of 8" floppies, and a box of manuals. In south Cumbria, England. Free to take away. You will need a decent sized estate car or a trailer. Otherwise going to skip. Cheers Eddie ======== Ade: I'm jealous is all. I get to go drive on the track every now and again with a car club, but no racing. Oh, and that you can get to this MINC and I can't of course... ;^) Good luck all, --Steve.

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first photo's

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

The first photo's of my basement have made it to the web. http://vic.dyndns.org/pics/2003-01-25/LG-2003-01-25-032.jpg http://vic.dyndns.org/pics/2003-01-25/LG-2003-01-25-033.jpg These are taken just before the Open Source Weekend Demo. I'm still learning how to use my camera. So my shots will be a bit longer before they see the light of day.

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HP 2100A hardware reference docs?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Cool. Thanks a lot. I just downloaded these and that should be a big help in checking out the 2100A and hopefully getting it running. > > I looked around at http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/hp/ and found most of >the > > hardware docs I would want for my 2113E and 2117F, but didn't really see >any > > hardware reference docs for a 2100A CPU. > >The maint manuals are up now under hp/21xx _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Collecting silicon wafers

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Dave Wilson writes: . > My interest is in collecting whole, undiced silicon wafers. These > are much more accessible for research and the interest does not > conflict with those of other people. I think they're interesting, and have considered picking some up when I've seen them. Of course I've only seen them on eBay, and living near Boston I guess my only local source might conceivably be the DEC fab out in (I think) Hudson that got sold to Intel when Palmer gutted the company. Oops, didn't mean to start that thread again! ;^) > Are there other interested people out there? If this site is not > the best for this sort of discussion can you recommend a better > one? I haven't run across anyone systematically collecting wafers. The main question I'd have is, where's the supply? If there's not a large supply of available wafers, how many collectors can there be? Having opened my mouth and said that, someone will probably tell me that fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas are using them as wall decorations or something...

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Collecting silicon wafers

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> wrote: > Silicon Valley is the obvious choice for an outlet of these. > Anyone who is a regular customer of "The Foothill" should > speak up on list. I patronized them, a long time back, for > just over two years... got some wafers, and, some large > chunks of the raw Silicon ingots too. Yes, I saw some wafers there yesterday. Y'all should have spoken up sooner and I might have tried to pick some up for you. Seriously, educate me/us. What's interesting, what would need to be done to care for it through shipping, and what's it worth to you (and I appreciate that the answer to this may not be financial in nature, and it need not be so on my side either!)? More seriously, inexpensive items (say US$1 and under) that don't require a lot of effort on my part can pass easily from my hands to someone else's, and I'm happy to help, especially if it'll help get an interesting story out there to for other folks to enjoy and learn from. As the cost in money, time, and effort goes up, either my interest wanes or I start wanting some return. -Frank McConnell

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OT: How to set up Eudora properly :-)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>When I read messages using Eudora 4.3.2 (paid mode) I get to see lots of >headers I can do without. For example a typical message starts: You can try the hack at the following web site. Its supposed to fix this problem with Eudora v3. But the problem appears to be the same issue you are seeing (emails from the Mailman list server show extra headers in the email body). <http://lists.contesting.com/_rfi/2001-December/001115.html> -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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MITS Altair 8800a for sale on eBay

by dgari＠msn.com

Wayne, Right on count (2), and it IS like selling one of your blue metallic children that you've kept in a closet for 20 years so you can feed your real family. Auction in question: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3404786716 David Gari P.S. I thought that everyone on the planet had all agreed 10 years ago to place new info in a message thread FIRST (on top) so we can get to the new stuff easily... >From: "Wayne M. Smith" <wmsmith(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: RE: MITS Altair 8800a for sale on eBay >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:33:35 -0800 > > > Hi David. > > Why on Earth would you be selling your "pride and joy"? > > > > Sellam Ismail Vintage > > Computer Festival > >Either because (1) it isn't, or (2) he's got another one. But, frankly, >it's like selling one of your children. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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HP 2100A hardware reference docs?

by aek＠spies.com

> I looked around at http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/hp/ and found most of the > hardware docs I would want for my 2113E and 2117F, but didn't really see any > hardware reference docs for a 2100A CPU. The maint manuals are up now under hp/21xx

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Apple ][ gear for pickup

by fubar01＠cyberonic.com

Hi folks: I've got to move out of my storage space in Oakland, CA this month. I've been saving my Apple ][ gear and software for years. I'd like to find a home for it -- it's like a train set with all the accessories. This is killing me already just posting this message. If you have an interest, please let me know ASAP. E-mail or call me at 415-956-2413. -- Roy Zider Short list of major items: Apple ][ (original) with ROM upgrade to ][+ Videx keyboard enhancements (with function key strip) Reset switch (as I recall), other unidentified case switch External case fan Language card (bumping memory from 48KB to 64KB) Microsoft SoftCard (CP/M card) AppliCard (CP/M card) Custom hard carrying case for system unit, drives. Two floppy drives SuperSerial card Axlon Ramdisk 320KB (solid state disk drive) Davong 10MB external hard drive (nice breadbox enclosure) Sweet-P plotter (serial interface) Thermal printer (maybe), paper. Boxes of software (Apple and CP/M) incl WordStar Apple ][ Technical Reference Manuals Apple ][ manuals (may have some water damage)

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New To List and PDP8 Question

by bkotaska＠earthlink.net

Hello, I am new to this group but have been reading the posts occasionally before finally joining. The site comes up alot when searching for info on old machines. I am interested in any type of old computer especially the single board trainer types from the early days of the microprocessors. I have built my own trainer based on the Intel 4004/4040 and have started to put a web site together with pics and info. It is in the early stages though - http://home.earthlink.net/~bkotaska/mcs4_micro.htm . I have also started to build a PDP8 clone from the Harris/Intersil uPs. Still need to gen up a front panel for this one. A computer is just not a computer without some kind of built-in feedback mechanism. (I guess it just makes you feel like you are in control of the machine instead of the other way around.) Building the PDP8 has really piqued my interest in the real thing. I've collected bits and pieces for awhile now and have finally obtained a 4K core stack - although it is not in great shape (any help in locating a better one would be greatly appreciated). Anyway my question to you PDP8 folks out there is this - I have the following pieces: front panel, M8300, M8310, M8320, M8330, M837, M8650, G104, G227. I also have a 20 slot omnibus backplane from a PDP8a. My guess is that I should be able to see some action on the front panel with just the first four modules present (i.e. no memory). Am I correct? I don't care at first if I can't read or write to memory. I just want to check out some of the control functions with as little hardware as possible. By the way, my front panel has mostly light blue and dark blue switch handles. Anyone seen this before? Thanks all, Bill

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Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA

by lion＠apocalypse.org

Howdy all, I have 4 DecServer 200/MC and 28 (yes twenty-eight) DecServer 300 to give to anyone who is willing to pick them up in the upper valley region (Plainfield, NH to be exact, close to Darthmouth U/Hanover, NH) *OR* close to Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA. The units are in Plainfield right now.. I'll be in Cambridge from March 19th through around the 26th. I'm not willing to ship these to due to the quantity involved. Hope someone can give the DecServers a home.. -- Michael lion(a)apocalypse.org

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Free Scanning Electron Microscope

by j.r.engdahl＠adelphia.net

Free scanning electron microscope to whoever will come haul it away. It was left by the previous occupant of my lab, and it's blocking the hallway. I want it out of there. There are four main pieces, plus some parts and manuals in boxes. I don't know much about this, but I will describe it's appearance: - microscope unit - desk high box with precision stainless steel tower, shoulder high - ISI Robinson detector mounted on side - Perkin Elmer gizmo mounted up high - other probes and sample holders sticking out at odd angles - very rocket science - no other name plates visible without moving a lot of stuff - viewing station and analog controls console - name plate: ISI WB-6 - built-in CRT - lots of knobs and buttons - very mission control - Tracor Northern computer - floor standing console a little larger than an ASR-33 - two 5" floppies - card cage inside - Intel 8080 microprocessor - keyboard - no hard drive, don't think it ever had one - separate RGB CRT - a 2' box with lots of wires and tubes coming out of it - a 3~4 gallon tank that looks like it bolts on the side of the tower - a small rack with instrumentation modules in it The date plate on the back of the viewing console says 1985. It was used by our semiconductor quality control department to look at the insides of integrated circuits. Rumor has it that there is a vacuum leak in this somewhere, it probably needs a new gasket. It is already uninstalled and ready to roll away. I found a web page with a picture of a similar unit. Our machine has an very similar viewing console, but we have more stuff mounted on the microscope itself. http://www.optics.arizona.edu/Milster/Labdescriptions/Misc.htm ***NOTE*** This thing has a radiation sign on it (X-rays). Transportation and use is regulated by the Ohio Dept. of Health, Division of Radiology. I understand you need to get a permit to move or operate it. If you are really interested in this, you need to know how to get the required permits. If you are interested I can take some pictures and send them. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 1 Allen-Bradley Drive Advanced Technology Mayfield Heights, OH 44124 http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net

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Collecting siilicn wafers

by davol＠globalnet.co.uk

I noted some time back that chip collectors are not highly regarded on this site - on the grounds that they are prepard to 'mine' perfectly functioning boards in pursuit of their interest. My interest is in collecting whole, undiced silicon wafers. These are much more accessible for research and the interest does not conflict with those of other people. Are there other interested people out there? If this site is not the best for this sort of discussion can you recommend a better one? Dave

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