- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by djenner＠earthlink.net

I have a 1990 or so Sharp ZQ-5200 organizer up for grabs. It has 64KB memory. Includes manual and original box. No batteries. It was working last time it had batteries. Cost is shipping. If you are interested, email me. Thanks, Dave -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

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Apple IIgs

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

Anybody happen to have disk images of GS/OS before 6.0? I wanted something to tinker around with on my IIgs with 1mb ram expansion. I have no software for it at the moment.

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Did anyone on this list get this IBM system ?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3405290468

23 years, 1 month

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ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

On 10 March 2003 10:20 am, Witchy wrote: > The only way of doing data transfer > from machine to > machine is serially, and remember the serial port on the OPD is for a > printer only so is uni-directional. Actually, I may be able to transfer via floppy disk, as I have an OPD disk interface (How cool is that? I even have the manuals!) - it plugs into the ROM pack. The one unknown at this time is what format the floppy is written in; but since it at least takes the same drives as the QL, it should be possible to read one way or another. Unlike Commodore's damn GCR format. Cheers, Ade.

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Manual "Practical Microprocessors" wanted

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I have an HP 5036A (actually two now) and was able to pick up one copy of the manual for $15 plus shipping on eBay last December. I haven't noticed any other copies go by on eBay since then, but I haven't looked too often. The 5036A kits show up frequently in the $20+ range, but almost always without the manaul. Since I only have the one copy I don't want to part with it now, but I could probably at least type in the ROM listing from the manual sometime if you don't have a copy of that. A quick Google search didn't turn up a copy of the ROM listing online anywhere. -Glen >I'm looking for a manual that goes with a HP 5036A Microprocessor Lab (8085 >trainer in a briefcase). The manual is "Practical Microprocessors" and was >published by HP some years ago. I am not looking for a museum piece, just a >manual to use with the Lab. > >I am also interested in accessories and information about the 5036A. > >If anyone has such a manual to sell or trade, please contact me off list. > >Thanks, >Stuart Johnson _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 1 month

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DUP Problem with RT-11

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>I have been attempting for some to to write ALL 65536 blocks >from one RT-11 partition to a second RT-11 partition. Does >anyone know of what is wrong with what I am doing? I am >using V5.03 of RT-11 under the Supnik emulator and I do the >command: As you know, some devices supported by RT are variable-sized, like DL, DM and DU. In order for RT to know the size of a volume on these devices, the handlers have to support the special function 373, which gets the volume size. In most cases, this is not a problem since the volume sizes don't approach the 16-bit limit of 65535. But for DU volumes, this size can be exceeded. And since you cannot return a volume size of 65536 as it would require 17 bits, the maximum size returned is pegged at 65535, with one block specifically designated as unused (but reachable using other special function calls in the DU handler). The reason for the one unused block is so that the calculations for start of a partition are simple (since it is a truncation by discarding the low-order 16 bits of block number). Now, since the DU handler reports 65535 as the largest size, the directory structure is established such that the blocks which are accessible are 0 through 65534 (a total of 65535 blocks). It would be a kludge and a hack (a bad one) to play games in the driver to make it report 0 and have it mean 65536 even if a reported size of zero makes no sense (actually, a reported size of less than 9 makes no sense since that is the MINIMUM number of blocks required on an RT volume to be able to store a minimum of one block of data). It would also mean changing DUP and any other program which uses VARSZ$. Personally, I would suggest that time is better spent with other things in RT... just live with one block not directly accessible per 65536, or write your own programs (without mucking with the OS itself) to get at the final block... I would say it is a case of truly diminished returns. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | | | | "this space | (s/ at /@/) | | unavoidably left blank" | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Synertek 6507

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com> > >>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> >> I'm looking for a data sheet for the Synertek 6507. >> This is not the same as the reduced pin 6502's of the >> same number by other manufactures. This is a video control >> chip. If anyone has an old Synertek book with the >> programming information for one of these I'd like >> to get a photo copy?? > >According to my 1983 Synertek book, the SY6507 _is_ a 28-pin 65xx CPU with >8K addressing. The only video controllers they list are the SY6545, SY6845, >SY66450 and SY66550. > Hi Jim This is what Eric Smith tells me as well. As I told him, it doesn't make much sense. The board has a 6502 as well as the 6507 with the data lines tied together. I guess they could use opposite phases or something. I was tracing down the sync signals for the video and they seem to be coming from this part?? I do have a schematic someplace but I haven't located it yet. Now I have a mystery to solve? Dwight

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Collecting silicon wafers

by davol＠globalnet.co.uk

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Sridhar wrote: > > An extremely new wafer can be valuable just by the ability to reverse > newfangled engineering. > > Peace... Sridhar Can't see this myself. Yes. I know it's theoretically possible (just) Modern chips are to all intents and purposes three dimensional objects. The real logic lies, out of sight below several layers of metal conductor. It's just this, incidentally, that makes them of limited interest to a collector. (There's not much to see on the surface anymore) So OK, you could probe them with X-rays or something like that or try etching away the layers with acids. My own view is that this is just about as impossible a task as one can possibly imagine. After you've done all of this you'd have to reverse your way back to the masks (which, these days, are quite distinct from the geometries they produce on silicon. AND THEN you have to have a fabrication available to you that is capable of putting the whole thing back together again. Much easier just to steal the design database. The forward engineering is quite difficult enough. It's my own belief that reverse engineering is - practically speaking - intractable. If this really is so appealing to sinister governments etc. why not just reverse engineer the chip they bought legitimately, by mail order. > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Chandra Bajpai wrote: > > > Before anyone goes in trying to cash in their wafers...I assume any > > wafer that was not kept in a clean room environment is worthless. The > > couple of wafers I have finger prints so they definitely are worthless! I'd respectfully suggest that the concept of value is not quite as straightforward as you suggest, Chandra. How much would your two wafers be worth if I were willing to buy them off you? Postage stamps are just about as 'worthless' as anyone could imagine, yet I'm regularly sent catalogues offering stamps at prices that amount to more than my annual salary.

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Collecting silicon wafers

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

> > My interest is in collecting whole, undiced silicon wafers. These > > are much more accessible for research and the interest does not > > conflict with those of other people. They're almost always available at the Foothill College Ham Radio Swap Meet for about a buck a 6" wafer, see e.g. http://www.qsl.net/kf6foz/page1.htm Brian

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FS Items

by pat＠purdueriots.com

A few more items I've got to offer to the list. I can take Paypal or Check/Money Order for payment. Everything below is $10 + shipping, with discounts for buying multiple items. + 3Com SuperStack HUB 10: 24port 10BaseT Hub, rackmountable. I've got a lot of these available to me. + Panasonic LaserDisc player + Apple Macintosh Plus 1MB - have keyboard and monitor + Sun SparcStation 5, 85MHz, CG6, 32-64MB ram, 2GB HDD + Tatung CompStation LC - A pizzabox Sun Sparcstation LC clone - CG6, have to check how much memory I have available, probably 4GB HDD I might be adding on to this list later. I'm in West Lafayette, IN. Pat -- Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

23 years, 1 month

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New Toys: Friden 1160 & Hyperion & HPL, BASIC ROMs & Tek goodies, MORE!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

It's been BUSY around here the last couple of days. Significant new finds include: HPL ROM for the HP 9000 200 series computers. I've heard that HP made these and I've been looking for one for five or six years and was beginning to wonder if they really ever made any. But finally found one in an old HP 9826. This adds ROM based HPL lanuage (as in HP 9825) to any HP 9000 200 computer. Also found two more BASIC ROMs for the same machines. One is version 4 BASIC and it includes all the BIN files in the ROM. The other is version 2 BASIC. It doesn't include the BIN files but only takes 20k of RAM to run. I already had a V 2.1 BASIC ROM. Went out to a scrap metal place this morning and found a Hyperion computer. Not sure what model but it has a CRT on the LH side and two 5 1/4" floppy drives on the RH side. The keyboard slides in underneath the CPU. Anybody have boot disks for this one? At the same place I also found a Friden 1160 calculator. Funky looking little beast with a ROUND CRT in it! Anyone have some SPECIFIC suggestions about what to check for before powering it up? Also found a Tektronic TM 500 mainframe with a PG 506 Calibration Generator and a TG 501 Time Mark Generator in it. WaHoo! Been wanting some of this stuff but couldn't justify the cost of it. Other stuff: a Stag 39M200 Microprocessor programming module that will work in my Stag Programmer. (anybody have docs for the 39M200??? I have docs for the 39M100 and the programmer). Also found LOTS of HP 9000 series 200 and 300 computer parts, cards, and disk drives and a pile of Amiga computer cards. Also found three Atalla Multibus cards that appear to be some kind of developement system/programmer for Intel MCS-51s. Anybody know any more about these? Also found a complete Intel 310 computer but my car was FULL so I had to leave it for another time. Even after I came home stuff was still showing up. A friend of mine brought me a Heathkit ET-3400 that he found a garage sale. Joe

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cctech digest, Vol 1 #417 - 55 msgs

by peter＠stormlash.net

> From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)attbi.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: collecting silicon wafers > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:02:08 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I got to ask this...what's a wafer mask...what's it look like? > > -Chandra It is the layout used to produce designs on a silicon wafer. They are usually square, and made of quartz (to minimize UV dispersal), with a coating of etched chromium on one side. When photoresist has been deposited on a wafer, the wafer is loaded into a mask aligner. This allows the mask to be aligned with existing patterns on the wafer before being exposed to UV light. Once the exposure is complete, the wafer is developed, and a pattern of hardened photoresist is left behind. This is then used to control deposition areas in later steps of the process. -Peter -- Peter Sahlstrom __ __ ( ) ____ _____ CMOS Process Technician / \ / \ _ / __ \ / ___/ GT Microelectronics Research Center / /\ \/ /\ \ | | / _ _/ / /__ peter(a)stormlash.net /_/ \__/ \_\ |_| /_/ \_\ \___/

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Synertek 6507

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > >> >According to my 1983 Synertek book, the SY6507 _is_ a 28-pin 65xx CPU with >> >8K addressing. The only video controllers they list are the SY6545, SY6845, >> >SY66450 and SY66550. > >> Hi Jim >> This is what Eric Smith tells me as well. As I told >> him, it doesn't make much sense. The board has a 6502 >> as well as the 6507 with the data lines tied together. >> I guess they could use opposite phases or something. >> I was tracing down the sync signals for the video >> and they seem to be coming from this part?? > >Now it would be interesting where they go. Maybe the >6507 CPU get's an interupt every line, or screen ? > >> Now I have a mystery to solve? > >That's all what classic computing or computing in >general is about. Hi Hans Both Eric and Jim were right. It is a 6507 uP. I looked some more at the board and did some tracing. I'll have to admit, I'd never have thought of it. There is an address mux going to the code ROM. The clock input are in fact 180 degrees out of phase ( Q and Q\ of a JK-flop ). The sync signals come from the high order address bits as well. The code for making a sync signal is just to do a load >from the higher address. Now, I have to get the code out of the ROM so I can see exactly how it was done. It would seem that the 6507 just runs a loop that makes the needed strobes and the 6502 does the keyboard scan and RS-232. Very clever! It makes one think how simple things could be today using several PIC chips to do relatively complex task and replace expensive dedicated chips. Dwight

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Need ASR-33 tape reader and punch covers

by c.morris＠townsqr.com

I need the little spring-loaded plastic cover on the ASR-33 tape reader that holds the paper tape in position over the sprocket and contacts. The whole thing is missing (the cover, spring and latch). Also my tape punch is missing the rectangular cover with the four clear plastic pushbuttons. If anyone has spare parts to sell, please contact me offlist at: charlesmorris at direcway dot com. thanks Charles

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OT: Software Documentation

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Guys, I work for a small consulting company that creates software for distribution. We're a low volume operation, and don't have many employees. I've been trying to rein in the whole development process to streamline it over the last couple of years, and now I need to streamline the methods by which we create documentation for our products. I'd love to know what systems people on this list use for creating software documentation (manuals, etc.), and I'd love to hear any recommendations for systems that allow for concurrent access (kinda like CVS), change approval, revision control, etc, etc. Are there any good open-source solutions available? I've been searching and gathering information, and I'd really appreciate hearing the experiences of others on this list. Thanks! - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 1 month

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ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

On 10 March at 10:10am, Witchy wrote: [Dialling] > I've been told they do tone dialling too, based on the unsupported DIP > switches in the telephony module. Haven't tried it though; > all of my OPDs > are downstairs in boxes. The DIP switches aren't unsupported, they're actually documented... [Voice answering] > I'm sure it can respond to different numbers with different > messages though, Not different numbers, Caller ID simply didn't exist (probably anywhere in the world) in 1986. I think (not tried this) that it can respond with a different message on each line, and it can change messages depending on the time of day - but not day of week... > also it *can* say good morning, as well as things like 'I'm It definitely can't say "good morning", as "good" isn't in the vocabulary :) > away getting > head with my secretary on holiday' :) There was a competition Hehe - I must try that. > on radio not > so long back (Chris Moyles or Scrawn&Lard on Radio1 IIRC) where people > actually recorded their OPDs saying rude things, so I just > *had* to have a > go myself....hehe..... Erm, "not so long ago"? Sort of like 1987, maybe? [Testing the telephony module] > Be easier if I tested it up here first. Just got to dig out > the low-res > monitor from its hiding place....the hi-res one is too high up and > underneath too much other stuff for me to easily get! Humph. I just knew I wasn't going to get a free module that easily ;) What's this about a hi-res monitor? I assume you mean a larger one than the 9" B&W which seems to be the norm for these machines? Is it colour? I'd like to get a pin-out of the monitor/power connector - I'm not sure if it's in any of the manuals I've got. > I don't recall either of mine being any slower than the QL, though it's a > few months since I last played with one. I just wish I had some > documentation for 'em. I can scan mine in if you like. I don't believe I'm doing anything on Sunday yet...

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collecting silicon wafers

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dave Wilson wrote: >> My only anxiety is that the general interest in collecting >> silicon may take off in a big way before I have managed to build >> up a workable stock. > >Indeed. Just try to keep a "Silicon Wafers" category from being created >on eBay for as long as possible and you'll be in the clear for a while :) > Hi Even wafer collecting can have monetary value. A while back, at the beginning of the last Middle East action, there was a military requirement for mil spec TTL parts. I don't recall which but I believe it was 74139's that were in short supply. Anyone with a wafer of these could just about name their price. The fact is that most companies consider the wafers as proprietary information. They would rather destroy it or send it back to the foundry to be recycled. Wafers that do make it to the outside world are usually from some company that has shut down and had a warehouse of overstocks. Dwight

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Dave & Chip Collecting

by gmphillips＠earthlink.net

Dave, Several members of this list who do not agree with the views of a certain obnoxious self appointed "spokeman" for vintage computer enthusiasts forwarded me your post. I decided to take a break from busting up vintage computers with a sledge hammer to "mine" the chips out of them to reply;). Many chip collectors also collect whole undiced silicon wafers. There are a growing number of chip collecting forums where you can buy and trade wafers with other collectors. If you are interested, send me an email and I send you some links. You may also want to consider looking into chip collecting. It's a great way to keep old chips out of the smelter.

23 years, 1 month

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Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit/Early Hobbyist First http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=3404840450&… Can I claim dibs?

23 years, 1 month

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Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

That item went for $880.00. Seems like a lot to spend. >I contacted Stephen last night to see what he was up to. As it turns >out, the kit on eBay is one of his that the buyer probably gave up on or >never had time for. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 1 month

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Synertek 6507

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com> > >> This is what Eric Smith tells me as well. As I told >> him, it doesn't make much sense. The board has a 6502 >> as well as the 6507 with the data lines tied together. >> I guess they could use opposite phases or something. >> I was tracing down the sync signals for the video >> and they seem to be coming from this part?? >> I do have a schematic someplace but I haven't located >> it yet. >> Now I have a mystery to solve? > >Possibly it's a variation of the Lancaster TVT (Cheap Video) design? > >What is it? > Hi Again, just what Eric said. It is for a KTM-2. This is Synertek's keyboard/video board. Dwight

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collecting silicon wafers

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi These are usually made on a glass plate. They look like a larger version of only one of the dies of a wafer. Some are actual size but most are done with steppers now days. The glass has a thin metal coat on one side ( mirror looking ). I think they use chromium but I don't recall. You can see that layer's detail by holding it up to the light. The metal has been remove in places. It is kind of like a negative and used the same way. The ones for things like uP's of today, include a set of about 30 or 40 for different parts of the processing. A full set of these cost about 0.5 M$ to make. Dwight >From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)attbi.com> > >I got to ask this...what's a wafer mask...what's it look like? > >-Chandra > > >-----Original Message----- >From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] >On Behalf Of Hans Franke >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:22 AM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: RE: collecting silicon wafers > >> 1. Stamps are printed in vast numbers >> 2. They are used and, in most cases, eventually destroyed >> 3. They are difficult to forge (convincingly) >> 4. Most are virtually worthless >> 5. A few a almost priceless >> 6. Many are beautiful >> 7. They have an inherent research interest - printing varieties, >> flaws, rarities, historical interest etc. >> 8. They are (usually) considered most valuable unused and even >> more valuable in an unbroken sheet. > >> [...] > >The whole idea of wafer collecting got something to it, although >I think the stamp reference is a bit far fetched. > >Gruss >H. > >BTW: I realy love wafer masks ... they are just a bit hard to find. >So if one of y'all (sp?) got some laying around ... > >-- >VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen >http://www.vcfe.org/

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Can one make their own chips?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

> you can't make a 8008 chip from scratch In the discussion of wafers it made me wonder if one could lay down their own design in Silicon. or duplicate an early design like the 8008 (lets not get into a discussion of copyrights). Does anyone collect FAB equipment? A small clean room would not be hard to set up. At one time I saw a 3 inch mask aligner go for $25. I bought the 4 inch Mask Aligner for $150. There is so much old FAB Equipment around it seems one should be able to set up a home lab. Does anyone know of one in existence? Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 1 month

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Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay

by jim＠jkearney.com

>From: "Jim Kearney" <jim(a)jkearney.com> > there's One True Source. When I built mine (from Steve Gabaly's boards), I > was > able to find most of the TTL parts in 70's vintage. So how 'new' is it? p.s. but that's not to say that I wouldn't be clear about its construction if I put it up for sale, of course. That would be definitely be misrepresentation, even by omission.

23 years, 1 month

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RSTS/E CSR Access in MACRO

by cmcnabb＠4mcnabb.net

I've been attempting to do some macro programming of the DEQNA Ethernet card under RSTS/E. All of the system calls to actually send/receive packetes seem to be very well documented and fairly easy to use. What I can't find in any of the manuals (or on the net) is a system call that will return the card's MAC address. I know that the MAC address is the first six bytes of the CSR. However, I'm not sure how to go about accessing the device's CSR from within RSTS/E. Ideally, I'd use a subroutine that would return any network card's MAC given its type (XH or XE) and unit number. I know that I can't be the first person to have ever tried to do this, so I'm turning to those who should know - you guys. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Christopher L McNabb Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.1356N 80.4272N GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

23 years, 1 month

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Paging James Rice

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

James, I really need to hear from you this evening. I may not have access to email at all after we leave Austin in the morning. -- Doc Shipley

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Synertek 6507

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm looking for a data sheet for the Synertek 6507. This is not the same as the reduced pin 6502's of the same number by other manufactures. This is a video control chip. If anyone has an old Synertek book with the programming information for one of these I'd like to get a photo copy?? Thanks Dwight

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what does ad say re Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Well, I read the original posting and I didn't feel it was fraudulent. While he did not say it was "New" it was apparent to me that it was probably a reproduction. I sure would have asked if I was concerned if it was original. If it was my posting I probably would have been a little clearer. It seemed to me that the posting followed the rules of classic capitalism, maximize your plusses, minimize your negatives and let the buyer beware. Good US values. Paxton Astoria, OR Who is not a very good capitalist.

23 years, 1 month

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Supercomputer on ebay

by hansp＠aconit.org

Once a million dollar vector-parallel supercomputer for research projects at the Australian National University, this Fujitsu VPP300 is now being auctioned off at eBay. With 13 143MHz vector processors, a fast crossbar interconnect and 14GB of RAM, the four-cabinet machine boasts peak performance taps of 28.6 Gflops. Back in 1996, when the supercomputer was installed at Australia's National University it was the dog's bollocks. Now the ANU's Fujitsu VPP300 is being put out to pasture by that most modern of routes, an auction on eBay . For those wanting to bid : http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3405888342 when I looked it was at 12 AU$ or a tad over US$7. Watch out for the shipping charges though. -- hbp

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Installing Venix or 2.9bsdpro on a DEC PRO350

by franco.tassone＠inwind.it

Hi all, after having downloaded both distributions from a PUPS mirror, I was trying to install Venix or 2.9bsd modified for the PRO350. I've created for both distributions the installations floppy using a mvaxII with an rx50 floppy. The mvaxII actually runs netbsd, so I did a dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/rx0a for all the floppy images of the distributions, but when I go and try to boot the bot floppies of venix (and 2.9bsd too) on the PRO350, they fail to boot. The drive seems to try a little then the machine hangs, no messages on the console, except a nice capital DIGITAL, no messages on the serial terminale connected to the printer port with the maintenance cable. With venix floppy instead, after failing to boot, after a litle P/OS starts >from hd. What am I missing, what did I wrong ? Any hint will be greatly appreciated. ... Franco Tassone

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Calling ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto owners again

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

I've got a ROM capsule in mine marked "VTLink", which adds an item to the Applications section called "Export Page". Selecting it brings up a page which looks roughly thus: File Name: _________________ Cartridge Name: ____________ Drive (L/R): _ Page (1-99): __ Format (Q/A/N): _ Thing is, I lack the manual for this capsule, and attempting to export anything just says "NO PAGE STORE". So, what am I missing?? Incidentally, a Google web/groups search of VTLink with any variant of OPD/Merlin/Computerphone type keywords results in a big fat zilch (until this message gets archived & then googlebotted, of course...) -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

23 years, 1 month

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DUP Problem with RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

I have been attempting for some to to write ALL 65536 blocks >from one RT-11 partition to a second RT-11 partition. Does anyone know of what is wrong with what I am doing? I am using V5.03 of RT-11 under the Supnik emulator and I do the command: COPY/DEVICE/NOQU DU0:/START:0./END:65535. DU1:/START:0. However, ONLY 65535 blocks are transferred. On the other hand, If I do the command: COPY/DEVICE/NOQU DU0:/START:65524./END:65535. DU1:/START:0. then TWO blocks are transferred (I put 2 non-zero blocks into DU1: first), so I know that that it is possible to read block 65535 from DU0:, but there seems no reason why block 65535 is not written to DU1: via the very first command - especially when there is not even a warning message. Please do not reply that an RT-11 partition is ONLY 65535 blocks and that the last legal block is 65534. I have already proven that I can read block 65535 from DU0: when I use DUP.SAV, thus so as long as block 65535 can be read, there is absolutely NO reason that DUP.SAV should not allow me to write the same block into DU1:, but DUP.SAV does not seem to be able to do that and moreover does not even provide a warning message that DUP.SAV will ignore block 65535 when I explicitly direct that block 65535 be written to DU1: In addition, just in case anyone feels that DUP.SAV really ought not to provide at least a warning message, then try the command: COPY/DEVICE/NOQU DU0:/START:1./END:65535. DU1:/START:1. which does provide the warning message that I suggest is essential so long as DUP.SAV prohibits the user from writing block 65535 onto DU1: after block 65535 has been read from DU0:, even though, in my opinion there is NOTHING wrong with the command and DUP.SAV should do what the user has specified. Can anyone help? Any suggestions other than going into the DUP.SAV program and fixing this bug? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- To obtain the original e-mail address, please remove the ten characters which immediately follow the 'at'. If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Robert Borsuk" <rborsuk(a)colourfull.com> > >I think I understand the point but I also respect your views. I can't >reply to this without being flamed some more. SO to gracefully switch >the topic. I have a PRO-LOG PM9052 board on my desk that I'm getting >ready to take the 1702's out of. Anyone know about this board. it has >PM9052 on it. It looks like some kind of board for buring eproms. > >Rob Borsuk >rborsuk(a)colourfull.com > Hi This is most likely not a burn-in board, it is a memory board to be used with a larger system. PRO-LOG made many universal boards for various purposes. These were often designed into systems to save on engineering time. Kind of early plug-n-play stuff. Dwight

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More HP-85 & Trilogy Wafers posted

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have posted some more HP-85 accessories and some Trilogy Wafers for those who have trouble finding wafers. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0& userid=innfosale&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 Paxton Astoria, OR Innfosale on eBay

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Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

This is all spin-mystering. A Rembrandt painting is technically no better than a modern copy, by a technically competent artist. But it is the age of the original creation, the materials of the day, and the fact that it was created "then", rather than "now", that is relevant. A Mark-8 that was built from materials and techniques of the age is more valuable that one that someone send out now for manufacture, in my opinion. Processes, materials and workmanship of today is different than in past. That is the very essence of the difference between vintage and current design. Do you think an Altair that is remanufactured using todays processes (which by the way, is completely possible) is more or less valuable than one that was created in 1976? > I was under the impression (based on previous classiccmp discussions) > that the only way to get the bare boards was to use the plans supplied > in <whichever magazine it was> to etch your own. So how would you > define original? Etched from the plans or etched from the plans within > some short period of time from the publication date? Or maybe etched > from the plans using materials produced at the time of publication? I > have a couple of really old Radio Shack board etching kits around > somewhere. I'm sure that I bought them before 1980. Could I turn them > into gold by using them to etch a couple of Mark-8 boards? ;-) (smiley > for the humor impared) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org >> [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Erik S. Klein >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:26 AM >> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >> Subject: RE: Mark-8 Minicomputer Kit on E-bay >> >> >> >It took a while for some guys on comp.os.cpm to catch on. >> >I lurk there now and then. I was not sure whether they >> >were trolling or truly unaware that there were no original >> >kits, but then someone else clued them in. >> >> Yeah, I guess the only thing that could be original would be the bare >> boards. Everything else would just have to be contemporary materials, >> at best. >> >> I'm still guessing that the buyer expected to be purchasing an >> antique, not a recent creation. >> >> Erik S. Klein >> www.vintage-computer.com

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dc600

by mark＠ns.vbilt.com

Know of anyone who would need dc600 type cartrige tapes? Pics at http://vbilt.com/tape/tape40.jpg Mark

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collecting silicon wafers

by davol＠globalnet.co.uk

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my original posting about collecting silicon wafers. Quite a few of you were a bit puzzled about where the interest lies, so I'll try to explain how I see it: These things (silicon microelectronics devices) are made in vast numbers. A large proportion are packaged and used as intended. Possibly even larger numbers are destroyed as scrap. Yet they each represent the collective effort of a vast number of people and are arguably some of the most complex human artefacts ever created. Sadly, the few wafers that survive unscathed are usually put to such ignoble uses as mats for coffee cups or decorative trinkets. There is another, older and more established area of collecting that shares many of the same characteristics - stamp collecting. 1. Stamps are printed in vast numbers 2. They are used and, in most cases, eventually destroyed 3. They are difficult to forge (convincingly) 4. Most are virtually worthless 5. A few a almost priceless 6. Many are beautiful 7. They have an inherent research interest - printing varieties, flaws, rarities, historical interest etc. 8. They are (usually) considered most valuable unused and even more valuable in an unbroken sheet. Silicon has not attained this degree of interest to collectors, and maybe never will. As fabrication processes shrink ever further and the number of conducting layers increases, chips become featureless (on the surface) and increasingly difficult to study. Neverthless, early devices (on 4" wafers and smaller) are very accessible. So my intention is to find as many of these early wafers as I can and to spend some time studying them - building up a well-documented collection. I have just bought a toy Intel QX3+ microscope and I'm hoping that this will be good enough to reveal some of the detail - manufacturer, rev numbers etc. as well as those interesting signatures frequently sneaked on by the design team. My only anxiety is that the general interest in collecting silicon may take off in a big way before I have managed to build up a workable stock. If you have wafers you can supply, I'd be immensely grateful - though of course, you won't want to part with them now .....

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Looking for system software that came with Arche Rival ($$$)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I am searching for the system software that came with the Arche Rival computer. This is a 386 PC that came out in 1989. The software that was bundled with it is key, specifically the anti-virus software that was included (called something like "Virus Free"). If anyone has this then please contact me. There is a bounty on this :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sprokholt [mailto:r.sprokholt@chello.nl] > Sent: 11 March 2003 6:01 pm > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto > > > Adrian Vickers wrote: > > > > > > [2] What's more, I'll even pay more than 75p[3] & a packet of Rolos! > > > > [3] or 85p, counting inflation. > > > > > > I paid 85 pounds for a Merlin Tonto a few weeks ago. Plus 30 pounds > postage. Inflation is high in the Netherlands. Ah, but I only want a little bit of it... ;) > I will not sell my Tonto. Nor I. In fact, I'm actually going to use it, just as soon as I've sorted the dialling side out. > In fact I'm looking for more > sinclair-clones. > I already got a CIP03, Robik, HC91, HC2000, Jet, Sintez II, 2 > Olimpiks, I think I can honestly say, I've not heard of *any* of them! > TC2048 and TS2068. Or them! > A russian spectr 48 is on it's way. Ah, I've heard of that one, I think. Are they all ZX80/81/Spectrum clones, or are there any other QL-based ones?

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possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > >> > Hmm... Doesn't think this is a computer, eh? Wonder what it *is* then? It >> > calculates, and provides a results of those calculations into some kind of >> > output -- usually on paper. > >> Calling an Enigma a computer is really stretching the definition. They >> are incredibly simple machines - the internal circuitry consists of not >> much more than a battery, wires, the wheels (fancy rotary switches, >> basically), a plugboard, and a bunch of lightbulbs. > >Well, as far as it goes, a computer needs to be able to: > >a) have a stored (changeable) programm >b) execute instructions conditionaly >c) do a loop >sometimes also cited: >d) a way for input/output > >of these basics, the Enigma is only good for the first one, >since the wheels can be seen as the programm, and they where >changeable. None of the other two conditions are met, since >there is no loop and no conditional operations ... well, ok, >one may see the repetive execution of the ecryption programm >as a loop, but then the conditional execution is still missing. Hi Hans I think this one does have the ability to do a loop. The rotating wheels constitutes a three level loop. In fact, it is hard wired to loop. Lets see: a. Changing wheels and order changes stored program b. Hitting different keys causes conditional change of output c. Wheels generate nested loops d. Keyboard and display form I/O It looks like it meets your list. Dwight

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Intel 4004 was: New To List and PDP8 Question

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Bill Kotaska" <bkotaska(a)earthlink.net> > >Hello, >I am new to this group but have been reading the posts occasionally before >finally joining. The site comes up alot when searching for info on old >machines. I am interested in any type of old computer especially the single >board trainer types from the early days of the microprocessors. I have built >my own trainer based on the Intel 4004/4040 and have started to put a web site >together with pics and info. It is in the early stages though - >http://home.earthlink.net/~bkotaska/mcs4_micro.htm . > ---snip--- Hi I have a SIM4 but mine doesn't have the nice LCD read out that yours has. I wrote an assembler as well. Mine is single pass but I can still do forward references by having the lables self resolve them selves as their location is assigned. I also have a simualtor that I wrote. It is built around the SIM4 board. Most 4004 systems have a lot of hardware dependencies since not all used things like the 4002's for RAMs or the normal I/O methods. Dwight

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Manual "Practical Microprocessors" wanted

by stuart＠stuartsjohnsonfamily.net

I'm looking for a manual that goes with a HP 5036A Microprocessor Lab (8085 trainer in a briefcase). The manual is "Practical Microprocessors" and was published by HP some years ago. I am not looking for a museum piece, just a manual to use with the Lab. I am also interested in accessories and information about the 5036A. If anyone has such a manual to sell or trade, please contact me off list. Thanks, Stuart Johnson

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HP 7905/7906 data

by JCanfield＠emaglink.com

Jay, I am looking for a way to read an HP 7905/7906 data disk. Someone gave me your contact information. Could you, would you be able to help me? Thanks, Jean Canfield 404-995-6081

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cctech digest, Vol 1 #412 - 57 msgs

by fubar01＠cyberonic.com

All -- Apple ][ gear picked up today -- Eric Smith was first to call. Thanks to all for asking. -- Roy Zider ----- Original Message ----- From: <cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: cctech digest, Vol 1 #412 - 57 msgs Send cctech mailing list submissions to cctech(a)classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New To List and PDP8 Question (Bill Kotaska) 2. Apple ][ gear for pickup (FUBARinSFO) 3. Re: Apple ][ gear for pickup (Lawrence LeMay) 4. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (James Rice) 5. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Steven N. Hirsch) 6. RE: New bounties ($$$) (vance(a)neurotica.com) 7. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (John Honniball) 8. HP41 problem.. (Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel) 9. Re: PDP-11/34 Progress Report (Tony Duell) 10. Free Scanning Electron Microscope (Jonathan Engdahl) 11. Info on Dataspeed's products (Gary P. Apte) 12. PDP-11/34 Progress Report (Jeffrey Sharp) 13. Re: Free Scanning Electron Microscope (Ethan Dicks) 14. vs3100m38 single user boot???. (Fred deBros) 15. Re: Locating older systems & parts... (was: RE: making disk images) (Robert F. Schaefer) 16. RE: Free DEC MINC-11 in NW England - rescued! (Witchy) 17. Using a PS/2 Mouse on the GRiD 1755 Keyboard Port (Burke, Richard P.) 18. Re: HP41 problem.. (Tony Duell) 19. Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA (Michael) 20. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (stu) 21. Project Parts? (Mail List) 22. Tandy 1000 EX; Commodore 64 + 1541? floppy (Robert Krten) 23. Re: Free Computers in St. Louis: PCjr, Apple IIGS and more (Stuart Johnson) 24. Re: New To List and PDP8 Question (Stuart Johnson) 25. IDing IBM Floppy Drive Parts (Richard A. Cini) 26. Re: IDing IBM Floppy Drive Parts (Don Maslin) 27. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (Vintage Computer Festival) 28. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (John Honniball) 29. Re: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA (Ethan Dicks) 30. Re: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA (Fred N. van Kempen) 31. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Steve Jones) 32. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Philip Pemberton) 33. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (ben franchuk) 34. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Philip Pemberton) 35. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (steven) 36. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Philip Pemberton) 37. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Zane H. Healy) 38. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Roger Merchberger) 39. RE: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (Adrian Vickers) 40. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (John Allain) 41. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (Adrian Vickers) 42. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (Adrian Vickers) 43. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (Adrian Vickers) 44. Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto (Adrian Vickers) 45. Re: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA (Megan) 46. Re: HP 2100A hardware reference docs? (Al Kossow) 47. Re: PDP-11/34 Progress Report (Jeffrey Sharp) 48. DECserver 200 hack... (Robert F. Schaefer) 49. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Frank McConnell) 50. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Brian Chase) 51. Re: Collecting silicon wafers (Keys) 52. Re: HP 2100A hardware reference docs? (Glen S) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bill Kotaska" <bkotaska(a)earthlink.net> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: New To List and PDP8 Question Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:05:59 -0600 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence LeMay" <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: New To List and PDP8 Question > > I usually just buy the core stacks from DEC resellers. You pay a bit > more, but you generally get something that has been cared for and > works. > The resellers I have contacted have no more of these. > > Are you saying you have a case/power supply and omnibus? Or are you > trying to cobble something together without case/ps? > Cobble together is a very good way to describe what I am trying to do. I wish I had a case/power supply but don't and can't believe what systems are fetching on eBay. I guess I just have a burning desire to see one actually work (I love blinkenlights!) > One of the main problems I had with my first 8/E, was that most of the front > panel bulbs were burned out. Probably because once a few burn out, the voltage > rises on the others causing them to burn out faster. > My panel has bulbs and I plan to gently apply the supply to these for the first time until I see what it takes to turn them on. Bill --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "FUBARinSFO" <fubar01(a)cyberonic.com> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Cc: "Norm Aleks" <norm(a)goNORM.com> Subject: Apple ][ gear for pickup Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:28:45 -0800 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Hi folks: I've got to move out of my storage space in Oakland, CA this month. I've been saving my Apple ][ gear and software for years. I'd like to find a home for it -- it's like a train set with all the accessories. This is killing me already just posting this message. If you have an interest, please let me know ASAP. E-mail or call me at 415-956-2413. -- Roy Zider Short list of major items: Apple ][ (original) with ROM upgrade to ][+ Videx keyboard enhancements (with function key strip) Reset switch (as I recall), other unidentified case switch External case fan Language card (bumping memory from 48KB to 64KB) Microsoft SoftCard (CP/M card) AppliCard (CP/M card) Custom hard carrying case for system unit, drives. Two floppy drives SuperSerial card Axlon Ramdisk 320KB (solid state disk drive) Davong 10MB external hard drive (nice breadbox enclosure) Sweet-P plotter (serial interface) Thermal printer (maybe), paper. Boxes of software (Apple and CP/M) incl WordStar Apple ][ Technical Reference Manuals Apple ][ manuals (may have some water damage) --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: Apple ][ gear for pickup To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:38:32 -0600 (CST) From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Yes, i'm looking for an original apple ][, if you're willing to ship it. Just let me know. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu University of Minnesota > Hi folks: > > I've got to move out of my storage space in Oakland, CA this month. I've > been saving my Apple ][ gear and software for years. I'd like to find a home > for it -- it's like a train set with all the accessories. This is killing me > already just posting this message. > > If you have an interest, please let me know ASAP. E-mail or call me at > 415-956-2413. > > -- Roy Zider > > Short list of major items: > > Apple ][ (original) with ROM upgrade to ][+ > Videx keyboard enhancements (with function key strip) > Reset switch (as I recall), other unidentified case switch > External case fan > Language card (bumping memory from 48KB to 64KB) > Microsoft SoftCard (CP/M card) > AppliCard (CP/M card) > > Custom hard carrying case for system unit, drives. > Two floppy drives > SuperSerial card > Axlon Ramdisk 320KB (solid state disk drive) > Davong 10MB external hard drive (nice breadbox enclosure) > Sweet-P plotter (serial interface) > Thermal printer (maybe), paper. > > Boxes of software (Apple and CP/M) incl WordStar > Apple ][ Technical Reference Manuals > Apple ][ manuals (may have some water damage) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:43:11 -0600 From: James Rice <jrice54(a)charter.net> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org steven wrote: >It's true, fab-rich places in Arizona, California, >Oregon, and Texas are using wafers as wall >decorations! > >At least I am... > > > Me too. There's a ton of them floating around from the old Mostek fab and TI. James -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven N. Hirsch" <shirsch(a)adelphia.net> To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, James Rice wrote: > steven wrote: > > >It's true, fab-rich places in Arizona, California, > >Oregon, and Texas are using wafers as wall > >decorations! > > > > > Me too. There's a ton of them floating around from the old Mostek fab > and TI. In real life, I work for a company which fabs semiconductors. Removing wafers, even defective ones, from the premises without authorization is a swift and sure way to end ones career. Steve --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: vance(a)neurotica.com To: Doc Shipley <doc(a)docsbox.net> Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: New bounties ($$$) Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Doc Shipley wrote: > > Interlnk.exe > > and > > Intersvr.exe > > > > I don't remember exactly how to do it. > > > > One of the two programs goes into the config.sys of > > it's computer, and the other is run from a DOS prompt. > > Yup. Intersrv (sp?) runs from config.sys. > It's not too difficult, but I highly recommend a parallel link if both > computers have bidirectional ports. It's a ton faster. I'm pretty sure it's INTERLNK that runs in CONFIG.SYS and INTERSVR runs on command-line. Peace... Sridhar --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:51:06 +0000 From: John Honniball <coredump(a)gifford.co.uk> Organization: Stoke Gifford Computer Museum To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Witchy wrote: >>Does anyone have a spare (working) UK-spec telephony module for >>the ICL OPD >>and/or Merlin Tonto that they're willing to part with? I have one, but not a spare! :-( It's in an ICL One Per Desk, and of course is capable of pulse-dialling only. Have you considered repairing the one you've got? > I've got a spare but I don't think it's very well if you consider the state > of the motherboard: > > http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/DSCF2592.JPG Has someone tried to desolder the chips? The damage looks like it's consistently opposite the pin 1 end of all the DIL parts. I'm sure we could work out what's missing if you want to attempt replacements. -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel <jos.mar(a)bluewin.ch> Organization: None To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: HP41 problem.. Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:20:56 +0100 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org My (unexpanded) HP41c developed a strange problem... It still knows how to do the maths, but any value stored inside a register gets lost : i.e. 1234 STO 12, RCL 12 yields 0.000.... Any pointers ( also pointers to a more suitable group ? ) Jos Dreesen --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: PDP-11/34 Progress Report To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:00:01 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Learned: If you plug in a G727A bus grant card backwards, the processor will > not halt. :-) Mainly because the grant chain is then open, so the M9302 terminator asserts SACK. This means that the 11/34 can't be halted from the panel (it gets tied up trying to remove the grant that's causing the SACK...) > > To do: My only existing cable that plugs into a DL11-W is for 20mA current > loop. I have a current loop VT52 that I haven't yet tested. I'll see if I > can do that tomorrow. After all, it would be nice to know if the register > printout is actually occurring. Almost all DL11-Ws have the RS232 driver/receiver chips on them, and if you've got one of the few that haven't. it's not hard to add them (1488 and 1489 IIRC). It's also not hard to make up the RS232 cable. I've done it many times. Let me know if you want to do this and need pinouts, etc. I don't know what test gear you have, but if you have a logic probe, then you could monitor the TX output of the UART (I assume you have the printset). It should blip low (actually a fairly complex pulse train if you have a logic analyser) when it's doing the register printout. That would at least tell you if the unit was working at all. -tony --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Jonathan Engdahl" <j.r.engdahl(a)safeaccess.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Free Scanning Electron Microscope Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:43:57 -0500 Organization: Rockwell Automation Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Free scanning electron microscope to whoever wants to come haul it away. It was left by the previous occupant of my lab, and it's blocking the hallway. I want it out of there. There are four main pieces, plus some parts and manuals in boxes. I don't know anything about this, but I will describe it's appearance: - microscope unit - desk high box with precision stainless steel tower, shoulder high - ISI Robinson detector mounted on side - Perkin Elmer gizmo mounted up high - other probes and sample holders sticking out at odd angles - very rocket science - no other name plates visible without moving a lot of stuff - viewing station and analog controls console - name plate: ISI WB-6 - built-in CRT - lots of knobs and buttons - very mission control - Tracor Northern computer - floor standing console a little larger than an ASR-33 - two 5" floppies - card cage inside - Intel 8080 microprocessor - keyboard - no hard drive, don't think it ever had one - separate RGB CRT - a 2' box with lots of wires and tubes coming out of it (vacuum pump?) - a 3~4 gallon tank that looks like it bolts on the side of the tower - a small rack with instrumentation modules in it The date plate on the back of the viewing console says 1985. It was used by our semiconductor quality control department to look at the insides of integrated circuits. Rumor has it that there is a vacuum leak in this somewhere, it probably needs a new gasket. It is already uninstalled and ready to roll away. I found a web page with a picture of a similar unit. Our machine has an very similar viewing console, but we have more stuff mounted on the microscope itself. http://www.optics.arizona.edu/Milster/Labdescriptions/Misc.htm ***NOTE*** This thing has a radiation sign on it (X-rays). Transportation and use is regulated by the Ohio Dept. of Health, Division of Radiology. I understand you need to get a permit to move, own, or operate it. If you are really interested in this, you need to know how to get the required permits. If you are interested I can take some pictures and send them. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 1 Allen-Bradley Drive Advanced Technology Mayfield Heights, OH 44124 http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 00:19:32 -0800 From: "Gary P. Apte" <apteconsulting(a)attglobal.net> To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Info on Dataspeed's products Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Happened to find this thread while searching for old colleagues; thought I would send you some info. I worked as an R&D Engineer at Dataspeed from during 1983-85, and was the principal developer of the Modio software. I left when Lotus purchased Dataspeed, and sadly, my stock options became worthless. With regards to the thread (included below), we were using the sideband on the PBS FM stations. At the time I left, we were airing stock, commodities, and futures data during "market hours", and sports during off-hours. The service was by subscription, and there was a hash algorithm which used the unit's serial number and the subscriber account number to generate the flags which activated various services. If memory serves, the flags were "splattered" across the memory map, e.g. bits in different locations together formed the service byte for a service. Lost contact with the other engineers and staff. One engineer is installing Internet in churches in Korea; one of the co-founders owned a sports bar in Pacifica, CA. But all this is old info. I still do have a framed Quotrek on my office wall ! Pass on this info as you deem fit. Gary Apte It's my understanding (infamously unreliable) that Lotus Signal was descended from DataSpeed's Modio which was descended from DataSpeed's Quotrek which dates back as far as 1981. - Jim Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc. "It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Johnston" <marvin(a)rain.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 01:35 Subject: Re: Lotus Signal Receiver, was Re: QUOTE or TICKER > I would be really curious to know how this thing works (or worked if the > service is no longer available.) The disks I have are for the PC or AT > and are on 5 1/4" floppies (probably 360K). I'll copy them onto a 3 1/2" > disk and bring it with me at the end of the month. If you have a power > supply with yours, what is the polarity (if not AC) and voltage? > > Has anyone on the list actually used one of these things? > > Mike Ford wrote: > > > > At 05:31 PM 1/29/03 -0800, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > >Mike, I have what I *think* is the same thing, and it is copyright 1986; > > >he was looking for pre 1984 or so. If you need copies of the software, > > >*assuming* the software I have is good, it won't be a problem. I can > > >bring it to TRW late this month. > > > > > >Anyone know what frequency this works on, and if the supporting > > >transmitter is still on the air? It indicated this was a subscription > > >service, and I would be most interested to know how they enforced that. > > > > > >Mike Ford wrote: > > > > > > > > At 11:46 PM 1/21/03 -0500, Jim Keohane wrote: > > > > > Looking for handheld quote device, ticker display or any peripheral > > > > > for IBM PC, Apple ][, etc. to pick up ticker broadcast via FM Broadcast > > > > > or geosynchronous satellite broadcast. Does not necessarilly have to be > > > > > functioning. User manual would be great. > > > > > > > > I have a Lotus box, but no software or paperwork. > > > > > > > > Lotus FM Receiver > > > > Mine has three ports on the back, antenna via coax F connector, serial DB25 > > thing, and BNC (data out, could ethernet maybe?). > > > > What platform do you have software for, and sure. ;) That will give me a > > good excuse to get my bones out to TRW. > > > > I think this type of device used sidebands of commercial broadcast > > frequencies, but I haven't looked inside, or hooked up an antenna to see > > what happens. > > > > No real guess on the pay/data controls, could be software, could be serial > > number related activation key broadcast in middle of data etc. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:55:46 -0600 From: Jeffrey Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> To: ClassicCmp Lists <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: PDP-11/34 Progress Report Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org I've made some progress with my PDP-11/34. Since last week's PSU corn-fusion, I pulled all the cards, air-dusted them, air-dusted and inspected the backplanes, took an inventory of jumper and DIP switch settings, put a minimal CPU+mem+console card set in, connected the backplanes to the PSU, and turned on the machine. It was a little more complicated than that, but I've got what seems to be a working 11/34 in my living room. Learned: As I had mentioned previously, my M9312 had a strange start address dialed into its DIP switches by one of the previous owners. That has to be a mistake. When the machine boots, it immediately halts. If I manually start the processor at the correct address for the console emulator, I get a steady run light. I do not have a console terminal attached yet. Learned: A previous owner had a rocker-style DIP switch block on the console DL11-W set backwards (i.e. one's complement of the correct setting). The DL11-W was being configured with the wrong interrupt vector. Learned: If you plug in a G727A bus grant card backwards, the processor will not halt. :-) To do: My only existing cable that plugs into a DL11-W is for 20mA current loop. I have a current loop VT52 that I haven't yet tested. I'll see if I can do that tomorrow. After all, it would be nice to know if the register printout is actually occurring. It's so late it's early; therefore, I should go to bed. Tomorrow I'll run some test programs! -- Jeffrey Sharp --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Free Scanning Electron Microscope To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org --- Jonathan Engdahl <j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net> wrote: > Free scanning electron microscope to whoever will come haul it away. I'm interested. Do you have any hints on how to start the permit process? Thanks, -ethan --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Fred deBros" <fdebros(a)verizon.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: vs3100m38 single user boot???. Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:34:07 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Can I boot Netbsd1.5 or 4.3bsd into single user from the vs3100 bios? Whats the cmd? Boot dka100/1 Or set boot dka100 and then b/1? Why? I need to crack the root password of course. fred --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Robert F. Schaefer" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Locating older systems & parts... (was: RE: making disk images) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 07:33:15 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris" <cb(a)mythtech.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Locating older systems & parts... (was: RE: making disk images) > >Except the dumpster is private property. Theft pure and simple, in the eyes > >of the law. > > I'm not a lawyer, but this might be a regional opinion. I know the cops > around here at least don't consider it private property unless A: the > owner of the land chooses to press charges, or B: the property is some > how restricted access or not normally public access. Cops have a lot of leeway in what they enforce, for good or for bad (sometimes common sense _does_ prevail!), but ISTR the owner always has the option of pressing charges. The cops might not care if they drove past and saw you, probably wouldn't as it's a frequent passtime of many, but if the owners called 'em... > > So for example, the dumpster I raided the other day, it was in the > parking lot of a publically accessable and open building (a gym, a > realtor, and a weight clinic), so the police wouldn't consider that > private property unless the owner of the land (unlikely to be any of the > tenants) choose to press tresspassing charges. I'd say `wouldn't feel the need ot enforce the law' as opposed to `wouldn't consider that private property'. If you're drunk and making a mess, tresspassing would probably come up even if nobody on site complained. > > But, the dumpster behind the local good will, probably WOULD be > considered that by the police, because it is in the back parking lot of > the building (which is not open for customer parking, its only available > to the public when they are dropping things off), AND, the entire lot is > chained off when the store is closed. Definintly have to be an in-and-out job here! > > > And of course curbside garbage is always open season around here. The > only time the cops hassle you on that is if you make a mess. But good > garbage pickers always make sure they clean up after themselves. Yah. I live close to OSU campus, in the fall when the kids move out, the pickings are *fabulous*. Peaseas, small electronics, clothes, leather coats, RK05s (honest, a pair of 'em!), all kinds of good stuff. We take everything that isn't broken, ripped or damaged, and whatever we don't end up wanting goes to goodwill. > > -chris Bob --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Witchy" <witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>, <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Free DEC MINC-11 in NW England - rescued! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:41:36 -0000 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > -----Original Message----- > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of Tony Duell > Sent: 07 March 2003 22:53 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Free DEC MINC-11 in NW England - rescued! > > As you've probably discovered by now, the top connectors on the MINC > modules are for user I/O. The DAC outputs (and other I/O lines) are > there, for example. So presumably this was a connector for the user's > experiment. Oh aye, definitely. It just would've been nice to know what it was plugged into in the first place, but there's no point asking the bloke I got it from 'cos he just received it from a friend and stuck it in his workshop where it sat ever since. -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly gothic shenanigans --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:28:18 -0800 From: "Burke, Richard P." <rpb(a)rpb.com> Organization: RPB Information Services To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Using a PS/2 Mouse on the GRiD 1755 Keyboard Port Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Greetings everyone, Does anybody know how to use a PS/2 mouse on the keyboard port of a GRiD 1755/486 SLC Laptop? The manual says that the port will not support a PS/2 mouse, but I figure someone has developed a driver by now. Any clues? Thanks. Richard P. Burke Portland OR --__--__-- Message: 18 From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: HP41 problem.. To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:40:49 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Jos, > > > You have a bad Data Storage IC. Depending on which version board > is in your 41 it may have from 1 to 4 DS ICs but they are custom built Didn't some HP41s haev 5 RAM (Data Storage) ICs? Each one 16 registers long (one for the 'status registers', 4 for the 64 user registers? > ICs made by HP specificly for the HP 41 so you'll never find one. Time A trick that works when you have a CV with one of the 'extra' DS chips failed (that's to say one of chips that hold registers after the first 64), is to crack open a single memory module (which are really common!), then extract the 'PCB' and wire it inside the 41, in place of the bad IC. Solder the B3 and B4 lines to put it at the right address. Yes, it's a kludge, but it works. And alas it's not applicable in this case. > to find another 41 for parts. There are plenty of htem out there that > have broken displays, bad power supply ICs and/or corroded battery > terminals. Perhaps I've been lucky, but I don't think I've ever seen a bad PSU chip in a 41. Bad CPUs I've had, though. Damaged battery contacts can be kludged over with a bit of care, so that's not a reason to regard a 41 as a 'parts' machine... -tony --__--__-- Message: 19 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:35:03 -0500 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Michael <lion(a)apocalypse.org> Subject: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Howdy all, I have 4 DecServer 200/MC and 28 (yes twenty-eight) DecServer 300 to give to anyone who is willing to pick them up in the upper valley region (Plainfield, NH to be exact, close to Darthmouth U/Hanover, NH) *OR* close to Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA. The units are in Plainfield right now.. I'll be in Cambridge from March 19th through around the 26th. I'm not willing to ship these to due to the quantity involved. Hope someone can give the DecServers a home.. -- Michael lion(a)apocalypse.org --__--__-- Message: 20 From: "stu" <stuart(a)robodreams.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:47:08 -0000 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Hi all, I have an OPD, believed working, without monitor, and has a variety of pods and the phone handset. All good condition and even manuals :) Free to OPD fanatic, prefer collect. (uk NW) Stu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witchy" <witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: RE: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Adrian Vickers > > Sent: 07 March 2003 15:17 > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto > > > > Does anyone have a spare (working) UK-spec telephony module for > > the ICL OPD > > and/or Merlin Tonto that they're willing to part with? > > I've got a spare but I don't think it's very well if you consider the state > of the motherboard: > > http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/DSCF2592.JPG > > The telephony module has a bit of masking tape on it containing the words > 'faulty' so I guess that gives the game away somewhat :) > > > Willing to pay postage from wherever, and maybe 75p & a packet of rolos > > (aka comp.sys.sinclair standard purchase price) as well. > > Hasn't it been upped to 85p and a packet of rolos to take inflation into > account? (inflated rolos? Mmm :) > > -- > adrian/witchy > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum > www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly gothic shenanigans --__--__-- Message: 21 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 17:26:10 -0500 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Subject: Project Parts? Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Anyone recognize the bus type these go to? Might be good project parts? 5 Mupac Breadboard Prototype Cards NEW VME ?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403917114&category=36327 They're definitely not like any VME I've ever seen. --__--__-- Message: 22 Subject: Tandy 1000 EX; Commodore 64 + 1541? floppy To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:58:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert Krten" <root(a)parse.com> Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Saw these at the local junkyard; any interest? Tandy 1000 EX Commodore 64 with 1541(?) 5.25" floppy drive Condition unknown. If there's anyone who's interested, please let me know and I'll be happy to pick them up for you. Let me know what your maximum price is (there was no price marked). + S/H (VISA/MC through my consulting company just to keep things simple). Cheers, -RK -- Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com --__--__-- Message: 23 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152(a)charter.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Free Computers in St. Louis: PCjr, Apple IIGS and more Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:23:56 -0600 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kotaska" <bkotaska(a)earthlink.net> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Free Computers in St. Louis: PCjr, Apple IIGS and more > I live nearby and may be interested in some of these free goodies if they are > still around. I just joined the group so can you contact me? Thanks. > Bill > Subject: Free Computers in St. Louis: PCjr, Apple IIGS and more > <SNIP> > you are able to stop by and feel like geeking out I have 300ish computers in > the basement including an Atari 1400XL with 1090XL box, Altair 8800, IMSAI > 8080, PET 2001 and others that you might like to check out. > > Nick That is too bad about the shipping; I understand totally as I am disabled and shipping something is a major pain unless I want to pay extra to have it picked up. For that matter, boxing something up or unpacking stuff isn't a lot of fun for me with my bad back, etc. Like my mom told me, I should never have ridden that motorcycle in traffic! I really would like to have a fully working Apple II /GS system. I've been thinking about building a 65816 SBC and the Apple would make a nice development environment for it as well as being a classic computer. If someone has one to get rid of or sell reasonably, feel free to let me know off-list. Stuart Johnson --__--__-- Message: 24 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152(a)charter.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: New To List and PDP8 Question Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:30:18 -0600 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kotaska" <bkotaska(a)earthlink.net> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: New To List and PDP8 Question > Hello, > I am new to this group but have been reading the posts occasionally before > finally joining. The site comes up alot when searching for info on old > machines. I am interested in any type of old computer especially the single <SNIP> >Anyone seen this before? > > Thanks all, > Bill Bill, Welcome to the list. I looked at you site and your 4004/4040 project and it is very nice! Your web site is well organized and easy to navigate. One of these days I'm going to document some of my toys and build a site to display them. At least, I keep telling myself that :-) Stuart Johnson --__--__-- Message: 25 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 21:54:58 -0500 From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)optonline.net> Subject: IDing IBM Floppy Drive Parts To: "CCTech (E-mail)" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Hello, all: I got a couple of IBM-labeled Tandon drives and a MPI/Control Data drive. The Tandon drive is a standard TM100-2A and the CD drive has the following ID#s -- Part 77711801, IBM Part# 1502060. I'm trying to recycle these in my N* (double density setup). The jumper area is unlabeled on these drives, as is the terminator spot. On the Tandon drive, I found a TRW IC near the floppy connector...it has a designation "516-3-151G"...this seems to be the terminator. Can anyone confirm the placement of the terminator and the jumper block pinout for both drives? Any help appreciated. Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/ --__--__-- Message: 26 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: IDing IBM Floppy Drive Parts Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Richard A. Cini wrote: > Hello, all: > > I got a couple of IBM-labeled Tandon drives and a MPI/Control Data drive. > The Tandon drive is a standard TM100-2A and the CD drive has the following > ID#s -- Part 77711801, IBM Part# 1502060. > > I'm trying to recycle these in my N* (double density setup). The jumper > area is unlabeled on these drives, as is the terminator spot. On the Tandon > drive, I found a TRW IC near the floppy connector...it has a designation > "516-3-151G"...this seems to be the terminator. > > Can anyone confirm the placement of the terminator and the jumper block > pinout for both drives? Any help appreciated. Rich, the terminator sounds right. One that I have differs only in a -1- vice your -3-. It is in position 2F nearest to the card edge connector. The programmable shunt in position 1E is as follows: 1 O HS NOT USED O 16 2 O DS0 O 15 3 O DS1 O 14 4 O DS2 O 13 5 O DS3 O 12 6 O MX O 11 7 O SPARE O 10 8 O HM NOT USED O 9 - don > Rich Cini > Collector of classic computers > Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project > Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ > /************************************************************/ --__--__-- Message: 27 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 06:18:38 -0800 (PST) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Dave Brown wrote: > Maybe-maybe not. That 'UK spec' bit is what I'm curious about. Do you know > what details will be different in other versions (but this would only be an > EPROM change wouldn't it?) --as in that for use in NZ? > I have a number of these things -both complete and working, as well as > partly ratted for spares (including some telephony modules)- they were > called 'computerphones' down here. About the only useful function they had > was the phone directory/dialler which was a winner. They were just a year > or so too late to ever really catch on in the face of competition from Macs > and pcs for any serious desktop computer functionality. Are these actual computers or just dumb terminals with a telephone built-in? I have a Northern Telecom unit like this. It's a smaller terminal with a phone handset and keypad on the base. A keyboard tray pulls out of the bottom of the base. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * --__--__-- Message: 28 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:02:47 +0000 From: John Honniball <coredump(a)gifford.co.uk> Organization: Stoke Gifford Computer Museum To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Are these actual computers or just dumb terminals with a telephone > built-in? They're real 68008 computers, based on the Sinclair QL design. The power supply (in the screen) is always on, at least in part, and the computer can be set up to auto-answer. The application software in ROM is all communication-centred, with things like dialling directories and (I think) a terminal emulator. Due to UK telecom regulations at the time of release, it wasn't able to act as a telephone answering machine, though. That was a function that only British Telecom were allowed to provide. -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 29 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:21:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org --- Michael <lion(a)apocalypse.org> wrote: > Howdy all, > > I have 4 DecServer 200/MC and 28 (yes twenty-eight) DecServer 300 to give > to anyone who is willing to pick them up in the upper valley region > (Plainfield, NH to be exact, close to Darthmouth U/Hanover, NH) *OR* > close to Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA. Being in Ohio, pickup is not an option, but if any list members who _do_ show up to collect them in person are willing to ship Ohio, please write me off-list and let's make arrangements. I would be interested in one or two 300s, depending on shipping cost to 43017. Thanks, -ethan --__--__-- Message: 30 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:28:17 +0100 (CET) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Being in Ohio, pickup is not an option, but if any list members who > _do_ show up to collect them in person are willing to ship Ohio, please > write me off-list and let's make arrangements. Ethen (and everyone else who is interested), I am securing the beasties, with the help from Megan, as she's near there and can pick em up. From her's, I was planning on shipping some of it to Europe (where I am right now) and store the rest in my office in Calif. If anyone wants some of this, lemme know off-list. --f --__--__-- Message: 31 From: "Steve Jones" <classiccmp(a)crash.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:38:18 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Dave Wilson writes: . > My interest is in collecting whole, undiced silicon wafers. These > are much more accessible for research and the interest does not > conflict with those of other people. I think they're interesting, and have considered picking some up when I've seen them. Of course I've only seen them on eBay, and living near Boston I guess my only local source might conceivably be the DEC fab out in (I think) Hudson that got sold to Intel when Palmer gutted the company. Oops, didn't mean to start that thread again! ;^) > Are there other interested people out there? If this site is not > the best for this sort of discussion can you recommend a better > one? I haven't run across anyone systematically collecting wafers. The main question I'd have is, where's the supply? If there's not a large supply of available wafers, how many collectors can there be? Having opened my mouth and said that, someone will probably tell me that fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas are using them as wall decorations or something... --__--__-- Message: 32 From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:23:55 -0000 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Steve Jones wrote: > Having opened my mouth and said that, someone will probably tell > me that fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas > are using them as wall decorations or something... The ultimate trophy: Design an IC, make it work on first silicon. Take one of the first wafers and get it sealed or laminated (or whatever). Frame it on the wall, with a metal plate underneath: "This die contains [n] [suchandsuch] devices. The original production run worked flawlessly on first silicon. Design team: [whoever]". My sole aim in life is to take part in the design of a microprocessor, have it run on first silicon and have an entire silicon wafer full of the chips on the wall at home :-) If only VLSI design was as easy as designing a computer :-) Later. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ --__--__-- Message: 33 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:35:23 -0700 From: ben franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Philip Pemberton wrote: > The ultimate trophy: Design an IC, make it work on first silicon. Take one > of the first wafers and get it sealed or laminated (or whatever). Frame it > on the wall, with a metal plate underneath: "This die contains [n] > [suchandsuch] devices. The original production run worked flawlessly on > first silicon. Design team: [whoever]". > My sole aim in life is to take part in the design of a microprocessor, have > it run on first silicon and have an entire silicon wafer full of the chips > on the wall at home :-) > If only VLSI design was as easy as designing a computer :-) Well TTL is easy to design with. Feel free to take any of my TTL designs (when finished) and cast it into silicon. Note once I get my TTL computer design debuged and built ( the slow and $$$ parts ) I would like to do a VLSI design just to see how good or bad the design is compared to other real chips. Ben. --__--__-- Message: 34 From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:00:17 -0000 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org ben franchuk wrote: > Well TTL is easy to design with. Feel free to take any of my TTL > designs (when finished) and cast it into silicon. Note once I get > my TTL computer design debuged and built ( the slow and $$$ parts ) > I would like to do a VLSI design just to see how good or bad > the design is compared to other real chips. If I had a few Xilinx CPLDs (the ones that can be programmed over a Jtag link) and a programming cable I would. Anyone got some spare XC9500 series devices? PIC16F628 MCUs are fun to play with, but designing my own CPU from scratch sounds like even more fun :-) Later. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ --__--__-- Message: 35 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: steven <tosteve(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org It's true, fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas are using wafers as wall decorations! At least I am... --__--__-- Message: 36 From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:49:09 -0000 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org steven wrote: > It's true, fab-rich places in Arizona, California, > Oregon, and Texas are using wafers as wall > decorations! Hmm... I must remember to try and find a silicon wafer on Ebay... Shame there never seem to be any on Ebay UK... Let's see... If I put the wafer under a microscope and get some photos, I should be able to ID the chip. Then put it in a picture frame complete with label... Hmm... I'd love to track down one of the East German wafers that were mentioned on The Silicon Zoo (www.micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures) - they had some that they extracted a picture of a fox from. With a decent scope and a half-decent digicam (either my Oly or one of the Sony Mavica cameras I have access to) I should be able to get some pretty decent pictures. Picture this - a wafer with all the silicon "doodles" or "creatures" printed off underneath, complete with a "This die contains..." label... Hmm... Later. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ --__--__-- Message: 37 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:59:32 -0800 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Having opened my mouth and said that, someone will probably tell > me that fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas > are using them as wall decorations or something... I think the only wafer's I've seen out in the wild are some wafers >from Tektronix. Back in the 70's when I was in school someone from Tektronix visited us, and everyone got a wafer in a little plastic wafer holder. I know I've still got mine, I'm just not sure where it's at, it's all of about 2 1/2". Zane --__--__-- Message: 38 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 19:33:01 -0500 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org At 18:33 03/09/2003 -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote: >On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, James Rice wrote: > > > steven wrote: > > > > >It's true, fab-rich places in Arizona, California, > > >Oregon, and Texas are using wafers as wall > > >decorations! > > > > > > > > Me too. There's a ton of them floating around from the old Mostek fab > > and TI. > >In real life, I work for a company which fabs semiconductors. Removing >wafers, even defective ones, from the premises without authorization is >a swift and sure way to end ones career. On a slightly different take... How would one get permission to remove a few defective wafers solely for the sake of collectibility? Not many fabs up here in northern Michigan -- on the Canadian border... ;-) Is ePay my only hope of acquiring one??? Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --__--__-- Message: 39 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:41:24 +0000 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> Subject: RE: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org At 22:43 07/03/2003, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Adrian Vickers > > Sent: 07 March 2003 15:17 > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto > > > > Does anyone have a spare (working) UK-spec telephony module for > > the ICL OPD > > and/or Merlin Tonto that they're willing to part with? > >I've got a spare but I don't think it's very well if you consider the state >of the motherboard: > >http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/DSCF2592.JPG Ouch: Was someone trying out a fancy new laser cutting tool, perchance? >The telephony module has a bit of masking tape on it containing the words >'faulty' so I guess that gives the game away somewhat :) Hmmm, quite... Having said that, maybe the telephony is OK, but the main beastie is shot. I'd be quite happy to test the telephony module in my (otherwise fine) OPD... > > Willing to pay postage from wherever, and maybe 75p & a packet of rolos > > (aka comp.sys.sinclair standard purchase price) as well. > >Hasn't it been upped to 85p and a packet of rolos to take inflation into >account? (inflated rolos? Mmm :) Not according to pictures of their last meet in London, but maybe no-one told them yet :) -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com --__--__-- Message: 40 From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:49:53 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >> It's true, fab-rich places in Arizona, California, >> Oregon, and Texas... Silicon Valley is the obvious choice for an outlet of these. Anyone who is a regular customer of "The Foothill" should speak up on list. I patronized them, a long time back, for just over two years... got some wafers, and, some large chunks of the raw Silicon ingots too. MIT flea will have wafers too, but at about 1/3 the frequency. John A. --__--__-- Message: 41 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:43:43 +0000 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org At 10:51 08/03/2003, you wrote: >Witchy wrote: >>>Does anyone have a spare (working) UK-spec telephony module for >>>the ICL OPD >>>and/or Merlin Tonto that they're willing to part with? > >I have one, but not a spare! :-( > >It's in an ICL One Per Desk, and of course is capable of pulse-dialling >only. Have you considered repairing the one you've got? Possibly, but I've absolutely no idea where to start... I'm guessing that the fault is somewhere in the telephone side, as the computer side works just fine. Also, it's capable of taking incoming calls (shame CLID didn't exist when the OPD was around), and if something else dials, it can latch into outgoing calls without any problems. IIRC, the pulse dial side dies at the same time as the tone dial. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com --__--__-- Message: 42 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:49:31 +0000 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org At 09:27 09/03/2003, Dave Brown wrote: >Maybe-maybe not. That 'UK spec' bit is what I'm curious about. Do you know >what details will be different in other versions (but this would only be an >EPROM change wouldn't it?) --as in that for use in NZ? I'm not really sure. It's entirely possible that there's very little to no difference between the modules, but the UK versions would have had to pass the extraordinarily strict BABT approval process - which was very expensive, and essential if you wanted your kit to be "BABT approved" and therefore legal to use on the UK 'phone system. Also, there was some fairly hefty licencing restrictions, e.g. in the front of the OPD manual it states the functions it's been licenced for. >I have a number of these things -both complete and working, as well as >partly ratted for spares (including some telephony modules)- they were >called 'computerphones' down here. I'd be willing to try an NZ module, if it's got standard BT-like connector jacks on the back of it (same type as used by Sinclair on the QL - did he get a job-lot of sockets to go with the OPD plugs, I wonder?). I know bugger all about the NZ 'phone system, but as my NZ cousin is currently over here, I'll ask him tomorrow. > About the only useful function they had >was the phone directory/dialler which was a winner. Definitely; the 3-alphanumeric "short code" is also a staggeringly useful thing. In fact, I've decided to use the OPD as my main telephone, if I can get a reliable telephony module for it. > They were just a year >or so too late to ever really catch on in the face of competition from Macs >and pcs for any serious desktop computer functionality. Much like the QL, really. Also, one shouldn't underestimate the marketing clout IBM had when their early PC's were coming out; really, did anyone stand a chance against them? -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com --__--__-- Message: 43 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:54:56 +0000 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org At 14:18 09/03/2003, you wrote: >On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Dave Brown wrote: > > > Maybe-maybe not. That 'UK spec' bit is what I'm curious about. Do you know > > what details will be different in other versions (but this would only be an > > EPROM change wouldn't it?) --as in that for use in NZ? > > I have a number of these things -both complete and working, as well as > > partly ratted for spares (including some telephony modules)- they were > > called 'computerphones' down here. About the only useful function they had > > was the phone directory/dialler which was a winner. They were just a year > > or so too late to ever really catch on in the face of competition from Macs > > and pcs for any serious desktop computer functionality. > >Are these actual computers or just dumb terminals with a telephone >built-in? Your question is already answered, but what the heck... The ICL OPD (One-Per-Desk) and Merlin Tonto (identical machines internally) were a derivative of the Sinclair QL, featuring the addition of a telephone handset, better keyboard, slightly improved microdrives (sufficiently improved that they are, apparently, incompatible with QL mdvs; something I've not checked yet), and a much bigger ROM. That ROM contains a telephone directory, and a few other utilities to boot. Add-on ROMs included messaging (I'm unsure as to what that is yet, although mine has it), Psion Xchange (Quill word processor, Easel graphics - well, graphs, Archive database and Abacus spreadsheet). Xchange also featured on the CST Thor[1], and was also ported to the PC, IIRC. The QL suffered along with the original separate packages until its demise. My OPD also has a 3rd-party addon disk interface (which plugs into the ROM pack), which is rather nifty, and a lot more reliable (and faster) than microdrives. The machine itself, however, is quite painfully slow. I'm not entirely sure what they did to it to make it that slow; the QL seems to trot along much more quickly. Maybe ICL just didn't write decent software... [1] BTW, does anyone have a CST Thor (especially if you're willing to part with it). Any make/model considered, working or not. I'll even pay cash[2] for it. I'd /love/ to get my hands on one! [2] What's more, I'll even pay more than 75p[3] & a packet of Rolos! [3] or 85p, counting inflation. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com --__--__-- Message: 44 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:58:51 +0000 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> Subject: Re: ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org At 15:02 09/03/2003, John Honniball wrote: The application software in >ROM is all communication-centred, with things like dialling >directories and (I think) a terminal emulator. Yep, a loadable telephone directory (so you could have different ones on different MDVs), two terminal types (a Prestel & "glass teletype") which would operate over the built-in modem - capable of a whopping 1200bps or 600bps half-duplex, and 300bps full duplex; also capable of a 75bps "back channel" at 1200/600 speeds. >Due to UK telecom regulations at the time of release, it wasn't >able to act as a telephone answering machine, though. That was >a function that only British Telecom were allowed to provide. It does have a really nasty voice synthesizer built into it, though, so it will take a call unattended, and play the pre-recorded messages. It lacks the ability to say things like "Good morning" though... I think it's also limited to a single auto-answer setting, which can be set to automatically come on between certain times, and (possibly) overridden. I've yet to experiment with that side of it. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com --__--__-- Message: 45 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Megan <mbg(a)TheWorld.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Free DecServer 200 & 300's for local pickup in NH or Cambridge, MA Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Fred wrote: >>On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> Being in Ohio, pickup is not an option, but if any list members who >> _do_ show up to collect them in person are willing to ship Ohio, please >> write me off-list and let's make arrangements. >Ethen (and everyone else who is interested), >I am securing the beasties, with the help from Megan, as she's >near there and can pick em up. From her's, I was planning on >shipping some of it to Europe (where I am right now) and store >the rest in my office in Calif. If anyone wants some of this, >lemme know off-list. Fred - I've asked him about 2 of the 200/MCs and 6 of the 300s. I have yet to hear back from him. Although I'm close to cambridge, I didn't know how many you wanted me to try for. I'm not sure my car or storage place (or my partner) is prepared to handle a great deal of them. I'll do what I can... Megan --__--__-- Message: 46 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:19:53 -0800 From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: HP 2100A hardware reference docs? Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > I looked around at http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/hp/ and found most of the > hardware docs I would want for my 2113E and 2117F, but didn't really see any > hardware reference docs for a 2100A CPU. The maint manuals are up now under hp/21xx --__--__-- Message: 47 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:56:03 -0600 From: Jeffrey Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: PDP-11/34 Progress Report Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Sunday, March 9, 2003, Tony Duell wrote: >> To do: My only existing cable that plugs into a DL11-W is for 20mA >> current loop. I have a current loop VT52 that I haven't yet tested. I'll >> see if I can do that tomorrow. After all, it would be nice to know if the >> register printout is actually occurring. > > It's also not hard to make up the RS232 cable. I've done it many times. > Let me know if you want to do this and need pinouts, etc. Yes, very easy. But I do have a lonely current loop VT52 that (if it works) desparately wants *something* to send it some bits and bytes to display. How can I turn down a request like that? :-) Maybe I'll build a RS-232 cable for the short term so I can test the machine with a known good console terminal. > I don't know what test gear you have Sadly, all I have is one digital multimeter. It's an eBay cheapo special -- not the bottom of the barrel, but darn close to it. Oh, I also have a Heathkit digital IC tester model IT-7400 that I swiped from a professor's trash pile back in my college days (i.e. 4 months ago). It works. I want to get an oscilloscope soon. I've got other things I need to spend my salary on at the moment, but that might not be too much of a hindrance. My current plan is to put a relatively large portion of my collection (which isn't that large) up for trade and hope for a suitable scope in return. Or maybe I'll sell some of it on eBay and use those proceeds to buy a scope on eBay. About the best thing I have is a MINC-11 (when it rains it pours, eh?), but there are also various PDP-11 parts, two HP-85s, a couple of TRS-80s (M3 and M4), some IBM 5150 PCs, an AT&T 3B2/EXP, a bunch of Sun3s, and some other stuff I can't remember. Sometime soon I'll make a more detailed inventory, take pictures, and formally announce it. I figure all of that stuff combined should (at least) net me one good scope or logic analyzer. -- Jeffrey Sharp --__--__-- Message: 48 From: "Robert F. Schaefer" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: DECserver 200 hack... Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:45:03 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Found this a few minutes ago. Kinda neat... http://www.vaxman.de/projects/midi/midi200.html Bob --__--__-- Message: 49 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers From: Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> Date: 09 Mar 2003 19:17:58 -0800 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> wrote: > Silicon Valley is the obvious choice for an outlet of these. > Anyone who is a regular customer of "The Foothill" should > speak up on list. I patronized them, a long time back, for > just over two years... got some wafers, and, some large > chunks of the raw Silicon ingots too. Yes, I saw some wafers there yesterday. Y'all should have spoken up sooner and I might have tried to pick some up for you. Seriously, educate me/us. What's interesting, what would need to be done to care for it through shipping, and what's it worth to you (and I appreciate that the answer to this may not be financial in nature, and it need not be so on my side either!)? More seriously, inexpensive items (say US$1 and under) that don't require a lot of effort on my part can pass easily from my hands to someone else's, and I'm happy to help, especially if it'll help get an interesting story out there to for other folks to enjoy and learn from. As the cost in money, time, and effort goes up, either my interest wanes or I start wanting some return. -Frank McConnell --__--__-- Message: 50 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:01:08 -0800 (PDT) From: Brian Chase <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Steve Jones wrote: > Dave Wilson writes: > > My interest is in collecting whole, undiced silicon wafers. These > > are much more accessible for research and the interest does not > > conflict with those of other people. > > [...] > > I haven't run across anyone systematically collecting wafers. The > main question I'd have is, where's the supply? If there's not a > large supply of available wafers, how many collectors can there be? > > Having opened my mouth and said that, someone will probably tell > me that fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas > are using them as wall decorations or something... The San Jose Tech Museum's gift shop has them for sale at prices that won't break you too badly. IIRC, it was somewhere in the $10-$30 range, depending on their sizes. It looks like they're available for sale online: <http://store.thetech.org/slicofsilval.html> Of course, you can't get to pick and choose them like you would if you were actually there. When I last visited, they had a variety of wafers available. -brian. --__--__-- Message: 51 From: "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:26:23 -0600 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Keep checking eBay for them as I picked up several there for good prices. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chase" <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Collecting silicon wafers > On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Steve Jones wrote: > > Dave Wilson writes: > > > > My interest is in collecting whole, undiced silicon wafers. These > > > are much more accessible for research and the interest does not > > > conflict with those of other people. > > > > [...] > > > > I haven't run across anyone systematically collecting wafers. The > > main question I'd have is, where's the supply? If there's not a > > large supply of available wafers, how many collectors can there be? > > > > Having opened my mouth and said that, someone will probably tell > > me that fab-rich places in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas > > are using them as wall decorations or something... > > The San Jose Tech Museum's gift shop has them for sale at prices that > won't break you too badly. IIRC, it was somewhere in the $10-$30 range, > depending on their sizes. It looks like they're available for sale > online: <http://store.thetech.org/slicofsilval.html> > > Of course, you can't get to pick and choose them like you would if you > were actually there. When I last visited, they had a variety of wafers > available. > > -brian. --__--__-- Message: 52 From: "Glen S" <glenslick(a)hotmail.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: HP 2100A hardware reference docs? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 21:22:18 -0800 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Cool. Thanks a lot. I just downloaded these and that should be a big help in checking out the 2100A and hopefully getting it running. > > I looked around at http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/hp/ and found most of >the > > hardware docs I would want for my 2113E and 2117F, but didn't really see >any > > hardware reference docs for a 2100A CPU. > >The maint manuals are up now under hp/21xx _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail End of cctech Digest

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Finally got S720B software for INMOS iX X Terminal (aka B020) Board

by ram_suganthi＠hotmail.com

Hi, I was finally able to get the software for the B020 (aka Bozo) transputer graphics board from Inmos. Apparently, a complete B020 was on Ebay (but I missed out, saw it too late): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3405802865&category=162 Asked the seller if he could provide me with a copy of the disks, and bingo! Just wished I had a copy of the manual as well. I'll post this on the website.... Cheers, Ram PS: I was looking for this for well over 3 years and the only other source of the software that I knew of lead to a dead-end. And he has the several copies of the docs as well, plus previous versions of the software too :-( _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Source for HP 85 Tapes

by ed_edmn＠hotmail.com

Hi www.athana .com # 40-100A are HP85 compatible and brand new, at $26.50 ea. (28/03/2003) not cheap but they work. Regards Ed

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PMC Micromate's...

by ted＠larsonland.com

I was cleaning out the closet over the weekend, and dug out a couple of PMC Micromates. A buddy of mine used to work for PMC and was the systems programmer who wrote the Micromate BIOS. He passed away a few years ago, and his family gave me all the old PMC stuff in his garage. I also owned my own Micromate, and had alot of software for it too. Here is what I found in the closet: 2 - Complete PMC Micromates (Minus the terminals because they took too much space to store) 1 - Prototype Hard Drive Controller w/Drive (I think 10 meg) and external power supply. 1 - CP/M Plus manual and disk set 1 - Big box of software from the East Bay PMC MMUG 1 - Big box of licensed software such as TMaker, and such. The hard-drive and controller probably has some historical value, because it is an early-non-production prototype of the final hard-drive product they made. I would be interested in finding all of this stuff a home where it will be appreciated. As far as I know, it is all functional equipment. I am in the SF Bay Area. Any PMC junkies out there? Thanks, - Ted Larson ted(a)larsonland.com

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KS10 #4469 is safe.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

KS10 #4469 was moved successfully from my mother's house to the current residence. It's in the garage now but we're trying to move it inside as soon as possible. The TU45 was unrepairable and we had no room for it here so it was abandoned at the house. Assuming we can get it into the basement where I can hack on it, we plan to try hacking the Viking UDT controller I have into working with TOPS10 or TOPS20. For now though, the system is out of immediate danger. -------

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Dave & Chip Collecting

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Would both of you kindly take this garbage off line.

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Apple IIgs GUI

by kittstr＠access-4-free.com

Hi all, When I picked up my Apple IIgs at a yard sale a few years ago, I didn't come with any disks or drives. I picked up a "duo-disk" 5.25" drive and a monitor on e-bay. I also stole a few disks from a high school I was working at. I have been having fun off and on with it over the last few years, but I really want to use it they way it was intended. (with a GUI). I don't have a 3.5" disk drive and the only places I have seen system disks only offered them on 3.5" media. So my question to the list is, Does anyone have system disks on 5.25" media they would be willing to copy for me. I cover shipping and any duplication fees. Thanks for any help you can provide! Andrew Strouse ( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com )

23 years, 1 month

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