- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by DBRYAN＠genicom.com

Just stumbled onto a message posted on Nov 7, 2002, in which you mentioned having some UYK-20 machines. Should you have any left, or locate any more of the -20's or -44's, please add me to the list. Being a true diehard collecter, I might also consider coming and picking up something bigger: UYK-7, Univac 1218, CP-642, etc. Just depends on the price and the timing. Thanks, Don Bryan dbryan(a)genicom.com (540) 949-1394

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132 column (14x11) fanfold paper

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Does anyone know where 132 column (14x11) white (blank) fanfold >paper is still available? Bowater used to make it years ago, but >has since sold that business off... We were buying it from Staples and Office Depot up until recently. As of when we stopped buying it, they were still carrying it (we just upgraded our system and moved to printing to a laser printer... MUCH cheaper). I am pretty sure Staples still sells it. Its kind of pricey. IIRC, it was about $50 or $60 for a box. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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List member harassment

by jwest＠kwcorp.com

Take it to private email please, both of you. On a more on-topic note, is anyone well versed in troubleshooting/repair of a Data I/O 29A w/Unipak 2? Mine is sick and I'm not sure where to start :\ Jay West

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Interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85

by vassilip＠dsl.cis.upenn.edu

Well I have my 9134A connected to an HP-87 and when the system boots it recognizes the hard disk automatically, so that you can just type a CAT commend and see the directory listing. One question, I assume that you have set the two address switches on the back to *different* addresses (e.g. HP-IB addr 0 for the hard disk and addr 1 for the floppy). So if you try to do a CAT on the floppy address, do you still get a timeout? **vp

23 years, 2 months

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iUP201

by martial.perrin＠free.fr

Hi, I've got a IUP201a programmer with a Fast27K module which works fine. I'm seeking docs on them. I can upload hex files from a PC via serial port but I know that it is possible to download from programmer to PC via serial port. Widely it is possible to command programmer from host but I need command language. Martial

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TIL-308

by tsl＠tslinc.com

Dear Mr. Arnold: I found your name through a Google search for TIL-308 numeric displays. You were in some kind of web discussion concerning replacing the TIL-307/307 displays with TIL-308 displays. You mentioned that you had a small quantity of TIL-308s. We are looking for a few of these displays. Are they still available and, if so, what is the price? Thanks, Andy Corbin Technical Services Laboratory Inc. 95 Ready Avenue Ft. Walton Beach, FL 32548 USA Phone (850) 243-3722 FAX (850) 244-6653 E-mail address: tsl(a)tslinc.com

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TRS-80 Modem

by aeg＠paradise.net.nz

Hi All Was just browsing ebay and this might be of interest to someone on the list... (not my auction, don't know the seller etc) TRS-80 Modem 1 (Radio Shack) currently at $5 with about 5 hours left to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3412343006&category=3692 Alan

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Interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85

by rhahm＠nycap.rr.com

Hello, I am having trouble interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85. I have connected other drives without difficulty such as the 9121D so I believe the computer is set up properly. I recently picked up a 9134A HD. It apparently emulates a 9895A 8" flexible drive and 3 slaves each with 1.15MB capacity. I set the HP-IB address to zero on the HD and typed MASS STORAGE is ":D700". I then typed CAT and Initialize and keep getting a "Timeout". Also if I turn the 85 on with the HD connected and running and type CAT the HD does not respond as my 9121 would without typing a mass storage is command. Can I assume the drive is bad or am I using the wrong syntax. The drive spins up nicely, and the light comes on but I get that error message and the disk access light does not come on. I hate to toss this drive into the dumpster if it is functional. Thank you for your thoughts. Bob H

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HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Hi folks, I have an HP 9133 HDD that I'm going to have to re-format (for an HP based measuring system). The drive already has quite a lot of software on it that it seems a shame to destroy. I've stuck a bus analyser on the drive and had a quick look at the data passing back and forth between a controller and it. I think that I can control the drive OK (using cs80 protocol) from a PC with HPIB controller card - i.e. I can identify the drive, check block sizes and pull data off or write data to the drive. It strikes me that an application that enables the information on a cs/80 drive to be pulled onto a PC, backed-up on another format (e.g. CD ROM) and then written back to the cs80 drive would be useful - does such an application already exist? With the data clocks off the drive, I'm having a few problems working out the actual format that HP use to record files on the disk. It looks as though the first block on the disk (block 0) contains information about the volume label, number of blocks available, number of blocks allocated etc. (and I assume the length of the catalog). The next few blocks seem to contain the catalog information itself - file names, start locations lengths, file types etc. Does anyone have access to details of the format that HP use to store files on cs80 protocol disks/tapes? (I already have a document 'cs/80 instruction set' dated March 1983 that has proved invaluable in understanding the messages between the controller and disk drive.) Any help much appreciated. Cheers Peter Brown _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Piracy was Re: HH drives

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Paul Berger" <sanepsycho(a)globaldialog.com> > >On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 16:46, Lawrence Walker wrote: >> Why does this legalistic crap with high moral tone >> forever come up on the list. For the most part almost >> all old computer collectors are using programs illegally. ><snip> >> a thousand others sitting on a program which they won't >> put into public domain due to not giving a shit about the >> end user. > >I usually take the extremely legalistic point of view to highlight to >people that the current system of copyright is broken, and only getting >more so to protect the interests of a few. > >Whenever I catch somebody I know doing something that is technically >illegal I point out this fact most strenuous and let them know they can >get a criminal records, do jail time and receive millions in fines if >somebody takes offense at what they are doing. I will then suggest that >if they think this is wrong they should contact their representative and >suggest things be changed. > >Most shrug, figure I'm a kook (probably right) and don't do a damn thing >... this is why things won't change. > >> Why is there not an similar outcry about companies like >> Lotus or Borland that put out products that were obsoleted ><snip> >> companies it's tit for tat. Apple and a few others do the >> decent thing but they are the exceptions not the rule. > >Borland has released some of their old dos compilers on their community >site, so I would not knock them too much. They sold off the rights to >many of their applications so I would not expect them to release them to >the public. > >I'm hoping that the shareware type idea will come back with the rise of >open-source software creating new niches, and the big software companies >charging for support & updates. You don't want support, the software is >free, but if you want somebody to answer questions, you need to pay the >author something. Hi The only problem here is something I saw done ( and admitted to ) in shareware. The product was release to shareware with a known bug. In order to get it fixed, simply pay for the support/upgrade. I chose to delete the original and not use either. I had a couple of shareware programs that I released. They were used by many hundreds of people. I only had 4 people send me the $5. I'm not complaining. Actually I'm happy that so many found them useful. I'll have to admit that most were college students so they have a good excuse. I've also used several shareware programs without sending any money in so I can't complain about others. There were a couple that I did send money in for and used quite a bit. My only complaint is with abandonware. When the code is no longer relevant, why hang onto it as though it were of some value. I can see that one could make a point that there might be something in the source that was of value but the application is different. Dwight > >Regards, >Paul

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Kenbak-1 pictures

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> > >Looks cool, however :( please warn about the pop-ups at your host, I got >cascading popups because I didn't ahve my pop-up killer loaded when i >visited your site :( Hi I never got the pictures to come across?? I only got one popup. Dwight

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DEC newbie (was need caddy for RRD-42DA CD-ROM drive)

by acme＠ao.net

From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > Just checking since I've seen others slip before ... > > The RRD42 takes the standard "flip-top" caddy that > must have been made in their millions. Well, that's a relief. Can you point me to a source for these common caddies? I have ZERO experience with DEC equipment but recently acquired a VaxStation 3100 m76, with the specific goal in mind of gaining familiarity with DEC gear and VMS. I'll be pestering the list with a lot of newbie questions as things progress . . . Later -- Glen 0/0

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Newspaper layout/typsetting

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Sorry, should have mentioned the timeframe: this was a disaster recovery datacenter being setup in early 2002. So clearly this stuff is in current use and probably will be for some time. --S.

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Will you please stop your OT posts?

by acme＠ao.net

Mr. Hartman -- I now add my voice to the voices of others who have repeatedly requested that you stop your grossly off-topic and impolite posts to this list. Will you please stop this? > Anyone who would like to read my replies may e-mail me > off list to get them. I will send them in full. Your continued attempt to justify your actions (posting private messages to a public list) is very distasteful to me, and I'm sure others also find it so. > I can't control either. But, I won't be stifled in my > opinions because someone else wants to coddle people The fact that you have an opinion does not entitle you to use this list to express that opinion. We are all here as guests. > I posted these messages because I want it to stop. > > I want him to stop doing this, rather than having it > tolerated. You have no control over what others choose to tolerate, regardless of what you "want." > You say you know about it. How about doing something > about it, rather than letting others be attacked and > harrassed by him? If Sellam should "attack" and/or "harass" someone other than yourself, is that not their battle to fight? > Because, I'm not willing to just ignore him and allow > him to attack others on the list in the future. I am not at all sure what you are suggesting here, but I *am* sure that I don't like the sound of it. Since you do not have the power to banish Sellam or anyone else from this list, and since such a banishment would still not prevent Sellam or anyone else from sending private email messages, the above-quoted statement implies that you are prepared to take *some other course of action* to achieve your stated goals. Mr. Hartman, I am certain that posting such sentiments to a public forum is not a wise thing to do. > In return for that, he needs to control himself and > treat members of this list with the respect he himself > receives. Mr. Hartman, who *are* you to state as a fact your opinion of what anyone needs to do, on this list or off? > So, posting to this list was an attempt to get others > to cooperate in stopping his hate, without resorting If this is so, then why have you not asked for help in clear and simple language? I believe you will find that the members of this list are not so easily manipulated. Again, I respectfully request that you cease these impolite, manipulative, defensive, and off-topic posts. Glen Goodwin Orlando, FL USA 0/0

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New finds

by aeg＠paradise.net.nz

Hi I just thought I'd share with you a few of my finds this week (maybe someone will be able to shed a little light on one or two items?) Sinclair Spectrum+ (nice condition in its original box) complete with data cassette, joystick, games and thermal printer. I've already had this up and running. Dick Smith VZ-200 (again good condition) complete with 16kb memory expansion (taking it to a heady 24kb), twin joystick adaptor. No power supply with this but I've found out it takes 10V 800mA so that shouldn't be too hard to rig up. Apparently these were sold in Australia between 1983 and 1989, the VZ-200 being the first of the model range. It uses the Z80 processor. (For those that don't know Dick Smith is a Radio Shack style electronics outlet - he used to use the catchy but rather self depreciating slogan "The Electronic Dick" ) IBM 122-key keyboard - this is the clicky type board with 24 function buttons across the top and a group of preset functions to the left of the main qwerty board. It has an 8 pin RJ45 style plug (rather than the 4 pin versions I've seen on Digital and Wyse keyboards). I don't know where this comes from or what it was originally hooked up to. Commodore PC10-III (this is the small case version) very clean condition, came with the keyboard but no monitor. It powers up without a problem. Canon A-200 (that is the model stated on the back) This powers up fine but the inbuilt graphics card does not like my mono monitor (in fact my monitor doesn't like most cards, I must get around to changing it). It has twin 5.25" floppies with a rather neat eject system that requires you to push the button to lock the disk in and also to eject it (well, I thought it was neat anyway). There is no hard disk but it came with a boot floppy of a really cut down version of DOS 2.11 and a word processing programme. I don't have a keyboard or anything else for that matter with this. I can't find any information on the web about this computer, it appears to have an 8086 or 8088 chip - I haven't dismantled it all yet. Anyone know about this one? Advanced Electronic Applications PAKRATT model PK-64 radio modem. This is for the Commodore 64, SX64 and C128 (in C64 emulation mode). It came with the manual, power adaptor and cables. In the blurb it states that you can send and receive Morse, Baudot, ASCII, Amtor and AX.25 V2.0 (or below - but to receive morse you need the HFM-64 module). I haven't tested this and don't have a C64 or Ham radio... it was just one of those strange add-ons that would have bugged me if I'd let it pass. A couple of 2400 and 9600 modems and a box full of cards that I haven't gone through yet. Not a bad week in all. Alan

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Interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Hi Bob & Joe, At 04/15/03 12:01 PM Joe wrote ... > > At 11:52 AM 4/15/03 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I am having trouble interfacing an HP 9134 HDD to my HP 85. I have >connected > >other drives without difficulty such as the 9121D so I believe the >computer > >is set up properly. > > > >I recently picked up a 9134A HD. It apparently emulates a 9895A 8" >flexible > >drive and 3 slaves each with 1.15MB capacity. > > I'm not sure that the 9134A will work, you may need the 9133 or 9134 VX >model. The 9134A will work just fine with a HP85. It's the same as a 9135A without the 5.25" floppy drive that the 9135A has. I've used a 9135A with both the HP85/87 family machines and with a HP9835B. > >I set the HP-IB address to zero on the HD and typed MASS STORAGE is >":D700". > > Try using "D700,0", "D700,1", "D700,2" and "D700,3", That will address >the individual logical drive units. I believe those commands are for a 9826 or something else. On the HP85, the 9134A/9135A drives emulate four 9895 8" floppy drives (approximately 1.2 Mbytes each). If the unit address switches are set for 0, the individual logical drive units are ":D700", ":D701", "D702", and "D703" on the HP85. >I then typed CAT and Initialize and keep getting a "Timeout". Also if I >turn > >the 85 on with the HD connected and running and type CAT the HD does not > >respond as my 9121 would without typing a mass storage is command. > > > >Can I assume the drive is bad or am I using the wrong syntax. The drive > >spins up nicely, and the light comes on but I get that error message and >the > >disk access light does not come on. I had much the same trouble with the hard drive in my 9135A when I got it. It appears that the drive mechanism got "sticky" during a long period of storage. Much of the other stuff I got from the same lot as the 9135A was rusty. Anyhow, with some encouragement from list member Vassilis, I opened up the case, unscrewed the hard drive (I think it's an ST-506) from the mounting hardware and set it on it's side, still hooked up, and was able to eventually get the disk to initialize. It took a number of tries before I could get all four partitions to initialize, but once I got them all going, it worked fine. I would try MASS STORAGE IS ":D700" and then INITIALIZE. If that doesn't work, then try the same thing with ":D701", then ":D702", then ":D703". I wouldn't give up unless you've tried it multiple times, alternating between partitions. If you do decide to open up the case, you can see an arm on the side of the drive that is supposed to move - it moves about 90 degrees going from the :D700 partition to the :D701 partition. Once I got it working on the HP85 I tried it using my 9835B with Mass Storage ROM, but I had to re-initialize the partitions I wanted to use with the 9835B because they weren't compatible with the HP85 (too bad, I'd hoped to be able to transfer data that way). Right now I have two partitions in HP85 format and two in 9835 format. At least Bob got the hard drive in his 9134A. I bought a second one that was listed on eBay that ended later the same day as his, and when it arrived I found that the unit had been stripped and there was no hard drive inside :-( Anybody have a spare ST-506??? Hope this helps, Alex The Calculator Museum Web Page http://www.calcmuseum.com

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Code Oops! see below: >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi > Here is the code I have so far. I've shortened it a ---snip--- > > BOOTSTRP.ASM > >; 42 BYTE BOOTSTRAP LOADER WITH INIT FOR 8250 >; INTENDED FOR THE H89 BUT MAY ASLO WORK ON H8. > > > ORG 2300H >LDR: XRA A > OUT LCNTL ; LINE CONTROL > OUT IER ; NO INTERRUPTS > OUT MCNTL ; INIT MODEM CONTROL > DCR A ; SHOULD BE 'MVI A, 80H' BUT 0FFH OK? > OUT LCNTL > MVI A, 0CH ; 9600 BAUD > OUT DVL > XRA A > OUT DVH > MVI A, 07H ; 8 BIT 2 STOPS > OUT LCNTL > IN LSTAT > IN RX ; CLEAR ANY JUNK > LXI H, 2400H ; DEPENDS ON SIZE (TO BE DETERMINED) >LDR1: IN LSTAT > ANI 01 > JZ LDR1 ; WAIT FOR CHAR > IN RX > MOV M,A > DCX H > JMP LDR ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED > should be: JMP LDR1 ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED Later Dwight

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Old Computer Books - what to do? (fwd)

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

This is a forwarded message from a.f.c. Don't reply to me for details. -brian. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 15 Apr 2003 11:30:13 -0700 >From: Patrick Connors <pmc(a)finger-rock.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Old Computer Books - what to do? I'm about to do a Major Purge of my library. Part of that library is a collection of old microcomputer books (catalog not yet available - I'll post a pointer when it becomes available), which I kept around for historical purposes. We're talking, Apple II; the original TRS-80, and a big basket of random Bytes and Amiga magazines. Possibly even a Creative Computing or two. Since I'm never going to start a proper historical computer library, I'd like to offer these books to interested parties. Not looking for money or even recognition* here, just space on my bookshelves and Less Stuff to Manage. It was suggested elsewhere that I try here. Also, ebay and half.com have already been mentiioned as possibilities, but I'm after the shelf space not the money. Any ideas? And, yes, interested individuals may apply. - Patrick Connors, lost in his own library, never to return... *My ego claims otherwise and points out that recognition is good, where applicable. My wallet will accept reimbursement for shipping, if offered.

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Need caddy for RRD-42DA DEC CD-ROM drive

by acme＠ao.net

Actually, I could use more than one. TIA -- Glen 0/0

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OT?: low tech computer.

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I got sent this from a list, I thought it was funny. > >http://jokeworm.com/funlinks/funlinks6.html Ok, what OS does it run? It says Intel Inside, but has an ADB Mac Mouse connected... humm... I thought Apple's only Intel based OS was an early version of Rhapsody... and that ran on standard Intel compatible hardware, so no ADB mouse (could be an internal build of OS X for Intel, but that still wouldn't use an ADB mouse). Humm... NeXTStep maybe, using a Mac mouse as a replacement... they used ADB on some model NeXT boxes, didn't they? Color is right for a NeXT Cube. Er.. ok, I have officially taken this too seriously. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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European members

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Oops, forgot one complete system, Hans. I also have an PDP-11/05 with PC05 and Perkin-Elmer drive. The Perkin has a removable disk and a fixed hard disk. I guess this is the *only* non-DEC part, but it boots RT-11 (V.4). cheers, - Henk.

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European members

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

Hi ! > Hi all this is a call to all european members, or should I say > members in Europe?. All Europeans at last :-) > I have been invited to write a paper about the work being done > in Europe on the history of computing. I have decided to highlight > the individual collectors and the valuable work they are doing. Ok, Hans, I shall send you a list or document privately. Good action this :-) Thanks and Greetings Best Regards Sergio

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European members

by hansp＠aconit.org

Hi all this is a call to all european members, or should I say members in Europe?. I have been invited to write a paper about the work being done in Europe on the history of computing. I have decided to highlight the individual collectors and the valuable work they are doing. If you are in europe and collect/preserve computer hardware/software/documentation I would appreciate a short description of what you do, how big your collection is and anything else you might like to mention. I will probably highlight the contributions for just a few of you but mention all of you. Please let me know if you would be willing to be be an in depth subject which will entail an email interview. Mention also if you would prefer to remain anonymous. Finally, if you know of any other individuals working in the field who are not subscribed to this list I would be interested in hearing >from them also. All contributors will receive a copy of the paper when it is completed. Regards, -- hbp

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Apple Lisa XL on eBay

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > > At 03:05 PM 4/12/03 -0400, you wrote: > >And I thought the economy was in the toilet. > > Only for the average citizen. The rich are richer > than ever thanks to Bush and administration (or > maybe I should say LACK of administration!) > > Joe You probably shouldn't say that, since it's wrong... Can we keep political commentary off this list? Especially mean-spirited partisan hate speech with no data to back it up? I want to hear about Classic Computers on this list. Not someone's partisan hatred. Thanks! Al

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HP 7905/7920 "Amigo" drives?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Take a look at the 12992-90001_loaderRomsApr86.pdf doc on Al's site. It has details of the operation of the various HP 1000 loader ROMs, including source code listings. There is a separate ROM, p/n 12992-80007 12992E, which is specifically for booting from the 9885 flexible disk. I'm not sure what interface is used to the 9885 for that loader ROM. ROM p/n 12992-80002 12992B is for MAC 7905/7920 drives, 13175A/B interface. ROM p/n 12992-80004 12992H is for HP-IB 7920H/7925H/9895 drives, 12821A interface. If you remove the memory cards from the front card cage of the 1000E CPU you should be able to see the loader ROMs and if you can read the p/n labels you should be able to reference those back to the loader ROM doc to see exactly what you have. >I know that a lot of the older HP floppy drives (9885, 82901/902, 9121, >etc) also use the Amigo prototcall. I'm wondering if that means that this >1000 can boot from one of those floppy drives. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 2 months

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Netframe NF450

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

anyone have any netframe NF450 documentation?

23 years, 2 months

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com> > >> It currently takes >> about 40H+ of code to enter ( in octal for Heath monitor ). >> I might find some code in the ROMs that does this >> part for me. This is a little long but there is not much >> I can do about it. > >> Any suggestions on things I might want to add? >> Dwight > >Dwight, > >Hmmm... interesting. I have an idea... How about borrowing a concept from >bootloaders in general? Shorten the program that you have to key in by hand >to just a short bootstrap loader that reads bytes from the serial port and >stuffs memory. The PC-side program's job, then, is to *first* send the >*real* larger downloader down the line before the disk image data, which the >bootloader stuffs into memory and then executes to read the image data that >then follows. I'm not sure how much shorter the bootloader could be than >40H, but I have to imagine a good bit since no disk I/O is needed at that >stage, and it would certainly facilitate the bigger duplicator app being >much larger without much hassle to the operator. > >Patrick > Hi Patrick Reread my post. That is just about all it does. It does have to initialize the port and that takes more than about half the code. The loop that loads the memory is quite short. The com port on the H89 is a 8250 and so needs a bunch of stuff setup. To load a value into the port I/O takes 3 to 4 bytes, regardless of how it is done. I suspect I can strip a little but I doubt I can take out more than about 10%. One thing I haven't tried is to use the Z80 I/O instructions and have a table of things to output in sequence. This might be shorter. Anyway, I've made it so that I can optimize it more after I get the rest of the functionality of the main code. There is a small amount of extra because I've not used a fixed load address or fixed size. I could shorten it a little and keep it flexable by only writing the load address. One would write the bytes backwards from there. At some point, the JMP instructions address would be over written by my new load code. The address of the high byte would be the same, just the low byte part of the address would change, directing the code to the newly loaded code. This would simplify the load loop since no count needs to be maintained ( a trick I learned form my Nicolet 1080's bootstrap ). I'll make another pass at the code and publish what I have. Others can then look at it for optimizations. Dwight

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ISA single board computer and Hardcard 40

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a Plus Hardcard 40 and a 80286-20 ISA single board ISA card available. These look to be in good shape and probably function properly. Best offer, prefer Paypal. Thanks Norm

23 years, 2 months

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HP 7905/7920 "Amigo" drives?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Is anyone here familar with these drives? I was checking some HP 1000s today and making particular note of what boot roms they contained. One of them had a label that said that it had a boot rom for the "7905/20 disk". I checked my references and found that these drives are supposed to use the Amigo/MAC protocall. I know that a lot of the older HP floppy drives (9885, 82901/902, 9121, etc) also use the Amigo prototcall. I'm wondering if that means that this 1000 can boot from one of those floppy drives. How compatible is the 7905/7920 Amigo protocall and the Amigo protocall that's used for the floppy drives? Joe

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Need Omnibot 2000 parts

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I'm looking for two items to complete my omnibot 2000. I need the remote control and the tray. Also the cardboard base would be nice to have. If anyone has these items to sell or trade let me know off line. Thanks

23 years, 2 months

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H89 disk transfer program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I've started looking at how to make a H89 disk transfer program that would allow one to make images of the hard sectored disk into a DOS file. I've had my H89 powered up and thought I'd pass on one of the first problems I came across ( other than one of the tantalums popping ). The belts on the floppy drives have all stretched. Only about half of my floppies would read. Since I don't have the original full height drive, the drives I do have had no adjustment for belt tension( they were ALPS single sided drives, half height ). I had to file the motor mount holes to get the drives to work well with the pile of disk I have. Anyway, this is something to watch for in the older drives. Now, onto the more useful stuff. I've written some bootstrap code that allows me to pass a program into the H89 from a serial port. The code to do this take a reasonable amount of space because of the need to initialize the serial port. It currently takes about 40H+ of code to enter ( in octal for Heath monitor ). I might find some code in the ROMs that does this part for me. This is a little long but there is not much I can do about it. I am using the LP serial port of the H89 since it runs with a 1:1 wiring of a PC serial port ;) The idea is that the first 4 bytes will contain the address and count to load. The rest will be the actual code. When it finishes the counted bytes, it will automatically switch to the down loaded code. This next code is expected to perform the functions of format, disk image write and disk image read. This will be used as the next level of bootstrapping. I've got notes on all of the entry points to control the H17 disk controller so I can do the various disk operations. There is one problem I have now and that is that the HDOS disk all have a thing called 'Volume Number'. I expect that this was so that one could avoid trashing other disk ( HDOS uses a mount/dismount system ). The difficulty is that the first track is always volume 0 and the others are the particular volume number selected for that disk. In order to read or write, one needs to know the volume number for that disk. This is encoded on the disk, similar to things like sector number and track number. I haven't figured out how HDOS knows what volume the disk is by looking at the first track. I suppose it is someplace there. I suspect that I may want to format the disk as I write the image so that I can pass the volume number along. I'm not sure if it is a good idea or not to keep the original volume number. One might want to have new volume numbers for each disk in their collection. Still, I am making progress. Hopefully, this will make sending and archiving HDOS disk easier. Any suggestions on things I might want to add? Dwight

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Fwd: Harrassment by list member

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I am still being harrassed once again by Sellam. I am posting this to the list so that members can observe for themselves the behavior of one of it's members... Here is the text of his latest message... ----------------------------------------------------- Message 4: The next time you send me a message I will report you to the FBI for harassment and violating my civil rights. You have called me an "Islamic Idiot" one time too many and I will not stand for this anymore. This is hate speech! I am forwarding your messages to colleagues at the ACLU and will pursue the matter legally if you continue to send me your vitriolic hate speech. ----------------------------------------------------- I look forward to speaking to representatives of the ACLU and FBI and presenting factual data of this list user's continual hate and harrassment of me. I'm sure there are several other list members who have been harrassed by Sellam who would like to do likewise (Contact me off the list if you'd like to do that). I'd like the fantasies and harrassment to stop. I have NEVER attacked Sellam over his religious beliefs, and never would. I have commented on Nastiness of Radical Islamics in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and other Middle Eastern Countries. There lies the hate and intolerance. But, I would plead guilty to being intolerant of intolerance... LOL! I'd much rather be dicussing some cool Classic Computers... The first weekend of May is the Trenton Computer Festival (oddly held in Edison, New Jersey rather than Trenton...). I'm looking forward to the Flea Market, as I do every year. Though sadly, each year the flea is dominated more and more by PC's and less by cool classic computers. I'm still hoping to get some Amiga Equipment, and a TRS-80 Model I/III/4 for my collection. And possibly anything for my Atari ST. But, there wasn't much there last year. Mostly because I think the price for a Flea Booth is too expensive for most people to sell the few things they have. It's a shame Ken Gore bought the rights for this show >from the original User's Group that ran it. They've made it less special and smaller in recent years. Regards, Al Hartman

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OT?: low tech computer.

by kittstr＠access-4-free.com

I got sent this from a list, I thought it was funny. http://jokeworm.com/funlinks/funlinks6.html

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Harrassment by list member

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I am being harrassed once again by Sellam. I am posting this to the list so that members can observe for themselves the behavior of one of it's members... Here are the texts of his messages... ----------------------------------------------------- Message 1: Shut up you fucking dickhead. Quit fanning the flames on the list you filthy scum. Message 2: Shut your filthy scum hole you nationalistic servant of American facism. You're part of the reason for the decline of this nation and the destruction of the world that is coming upon us. Go find a dirty little hole befitting for your kind, crawl into it, and pull a rock in behind you. Your stink is overwhelming. Message 3: The next time you send me a message I will report you to the FBI for harassment and violating my civil rights. You have called me an "Islamic Idiot" one time too many and I will not stand for this anymore. This is hate speech! ----------------------------------------------------- The claim I called him an "Islamic Idiot" is totally fictional. I used the term in a reply to message #2, but was referring to people in the Radical Islamic Community who hailed the explosion of the Space Shuttle as Punishment from Allah to the U.S. I predicted that would happen, and then got attacked on and off the list by Sellam. Who somehow takes the actions of other people of the Islamic faith personally. In that people who criticizing them are also criticizing him... I just want the list to know how nasty and awful Sellam is. Just for those few of you who might not. And to give those of you who have written to me about him off-list some more data for your files.. I am currently reporting him to his ISP for harrassment. Thanks! Al Hartman

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Amstrad PPC640 expansion ports

by kirone0＠libero.it

Hi, I've found this http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-July/000553.html searching for technical specs about the expansion ports of the PPC640. In it you write "I have both the (software) technical manual and the service manual." Can you please look at the manuals, for the pinout of expansion ports A anc B? My interest is about this statement: "2) The PPC has an expansion bus which can be turned into normal PC-compatible (8 bit) slots, so you can have an external display adapter" The expansion bus is the ISA-8bit bus? Can I use it (rewiring it) for connect a ISA card? TIA, and sorry for my English. ^_^; -- The disadvantage of working over networks is that you can't so easily go into someone else's office and rip their bloody heart out. (Jim McDonald)

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Cars, politics & hate mail

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Chaps, Cars: I love classic cars & motor racing, that's why I subscribe to one mailing list & several newsgroups. I rarely read about classic computers in those. Politics: I detest politics & politicians, this is why I neither subscribe to related mailing lists or newsgroups. Hate mail: Never had any, never sent any, probably never will. Classic computers: Love 'em, that's why I subscribe to this list, and several newsgroups. I've got my cars elsewhere. I've got my classic comps here. I don't want politics or hate mail. Can we keep it on topic please? You Know Who You Are. And finally: Please please please DO NOT reply to this message. Ever. Thanks. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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Fwd: Harrassment by list member

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I think this show why we should keep both political and religious comments out of our text and even our signature lines. This group is really intend to be a classic computer list. There are plenty of other news groups and mail list that one can go out and pick fights in. I know that most people feel strongly about things. It is good that they voice their opinions. It is just that this is not the place. Dwight

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OT: Toy Chevy's

by cb＠mythtech.net

> With >the computerization of manufacturing that's available, it makes no >sense to me why auto manufacturers can't stamp out any body part, for >any car, from any year, on demand. Can't they? Eons ago, when I owned a 65 T-Bird and was rebuilding it (a failed project), I was told by a Ford Dealer that Ford can make ANY part for the car if I request it. However it was going to cost a bundle as they had to retool to make the parts. (The conversation was specifically revolving around body panels and interior body parts... so engine and other mechanical parts may not be included... I didn't clarify as I wasn't able to afford used parts much less factory new). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Tenton Computer Fest (was: Fwd: Harrassment by list member)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>The first weekend of May is the Trenton Computer >Festival (oddly held in Edison, New Jersey rather than >Trenton...). I'm looking forward to the Flea Market, >as I do every year. Anyone have a URL with info on the Festival? I missed it last year, and am thinking heavily of going this year, but would like to find out more info before I pen in the date. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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3.5" floppy drive in IBM XT?

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: 3.5" floppy drive in IBM XT? > I picked up an old IBM XT today and it has a 3.5" floppy drive in it (and it works!) Anybody ever heard of this? The drive has it's own controller card and both it and the drive appear to be IBM parts. )I haven't pulled everything apart to be sure.) FWIW the computer also has a FH 5 1/4" floppy drive and a HH 5 1/4" 10 Mb hard drive with a Seagate logo on the front of it. Anybody know if this is an original XT hard drive or a replacement drive? It's been so long since I've seen an original XT with the 10 Mb drive that I don't remember much about it. > > Joe I have a highly original late production XT, with the 640k system board, 720k hh floppy, 360k hh floppy, and full height IBM 20mb hard drive. Interesting features include a Y cable to power both floppy drives from the PSU connector (Y cable has black wires, and a cloth tag with IBM part number 6480173). Also, the 720k drive has a plain blue eject button. The 3.5" drives from the PS/2 series were labelled 1.44m or 2.88m as appropriate. The 360k drive has an asterisk on it, just like on the optional AT 360k drive. Apparently the IBM convention for 5.25" drives was that if it was a full height floppy, drive then it was 360k, if it was a half height drive it was assumed to be 1.2M, unless it had an asterisk, then it was 360k. Mueller's book says that the 640k system board, XT 20M hd, half height 360k drive, and 720k drive were introduced in April, 1986. Hope this helps solve the mystery.... -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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Items For Free ???

by junkmale＠mindspring.com

It's nothing spectacular... I have several IBM Model 76's sitting around my office (in storage) and I thought I would try to replace the couple of remaining dumb terminals that are all dying a slow death. I found a couple of these 3270 cards in an old box a couple of years ago so I built a PC DOS 5.0/IBM PC3270 disk image on one of the PCs. I built two and they still work beautifully ! I would have built more but I could find no more cards and there wasn't much of a demand. These are very sturdy machines (The IBM 76 and 77 Models) and I would love to put more of them back in service. I admit I have a sentimental attachment to them and have on several occasions had to make excuses to keep others from tossing them. So it's not critical... but if I can accomplish this I will be quite happy. Peace to you as well. - Michael At 01:35 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote: >What kind of project is it? > >Peace... Sridhar > >On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, JunkMale wrote: > > > > I am looking for one or more IBM 3270 Microchannel cards for a pet > project of mine. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Michael

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MicroDaSys and Solid State Music info rqst

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

Hi again...been awhile! I got hold of the remains of a computer my dad built (with the help of us kids, college age at the time) about 1980 or so. It's a 6809 S-100 bus system, with a microdasys MDA-6809A processor board, and a Solid State Music VB1B video interface board. It also uses a Jameco JE610 ASCII keyboard. The computer was stored in a shed where rats got in, and chewed away all the wires connecing the cpu board to the case keyboard connector. So, I need to figure out how to wire it back up. I also need to build a power supply, although I might be able to use a bench supply I borrowed from my brother...but it only provides 2 amps per side (dual supply, 0-30vdc). Any scans of microdasys or SSM data shemetatics would be incredibly helpful...but if you have links to sites with S-100 bus info, that would also be a help. I'm on digest mode, so expect delays... Thanks! -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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Mac Classic

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Have a mac classic that I gave to one of the local kids a few months >back. Apparently a visiting friend was fiddling with it and >has somehow gotten it into magnify mode. IIRC, it's system 7.something. >Can't figure out how to turn it off. It's on maximum >magnfiy apparently, can only see a very tiny part of anything, even a >single word takes more than the entire screen which makes it >real hard to use the GUI. >Is there a keyboard shortcut that will turn the $%^& thing off?? They have accidentally activated CloseView, a control panel designed to magnify the screen for people with vision problems. To deactivate it, type Command-Option-O (hold the command key, that's the cloverleaf, apple key, the option key, and the letter O all at the same time). To permanantly disable it, remove the CloseView icon from the Control Panels folder and reboot the Mac. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Macintosh System 7.5.x question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Does anyone remember what the last update to System 7.5.x was? I'm in the process of getting my old PowerBook 540c (purchased used a few years ago to replace the 520c I wore out) setup to use as a 'typewriter', and noticed that I've got it running System 7.5.3. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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[Fwd: [swap] FS: BCS-MAC newsletters]

by jrasite＠eoni.com

From a Mac Swap list. Please contact NeptuneMidheaven(a)ao;.com for further info. Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [swap] FS: BCS-MAC newsletters Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:01:54 EDT From: NeptuneMidheaven(a)aol.com To: <lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com> (LEM Swap List) Would like to see these go to a good home rather than the trash. Eight vintage editions of "The Active Window" BCS-MAC newsletter (Boston Computer Society Macintosh Users' Group Magazine). In mint condition. 7/87 12/87 2/88 5/88 6/88 7/88 10/88 1/89 How about $3.00 for all & media mail shipping (weight 2+ pounds) from 02368. Paypal verified (non cc only) NeptuneMidheaven(a)aol.com Ebay ID: Cattastro -- LEM-Swap is sponsored by and... 123Inkjets.com Support Low End Mac LEM-Swap list info: --> AOL users, remove "mailto:" Send list messages to: To unsubscribe, email: For digest mode, email: Subscription questions: Archive: Join the SwapChat list: --------------------------------------------------------------- >The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --------------------------------------------------------------- .

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Piracy was Re: HH drives

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bryan Blackburn <oldcomp(a)cox.net> wrote: > I'm not suggesting it is! What I am subtly suggesting, is that if > you think the company is still in business, or would still recognize > the product name, send them a check. More power to you! I stopped > using the software when the hardware it was specifically designed to > work with became obsolete, well over a decade ago. (Probably about a > year or two after the company went out of business.) Gibson Research is still in business, and still sells Spinrite. http://grc.com/spinrite.htm -Frank McConnell

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FA HP disk drive and computer manuals (9826, 9836, 9122 more)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I've just finished putting some HP computer and disk drive manuals on E-bay. I previously listed some HP software manuals and I'll be adding more as time permits. <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj>. Also listed a NEW unassembled Heathkit kit on there if anyone is intersted. Joe

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Piracy was Re: HH drives

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Pirating is not something that should be condoned on this list. I don't want to start a battle, so I'm not going to comment beyond this email... but... shouldn't "pirating" be something that IS condoned on this list? At least under the idea of "abandonware". After all, without some degree of software piracy, it is highly unlikely that a good chunk of the hardware this list is interested in would have any useful software available to it. I very much support the idea of abondonware, and I would think that idea is very much in this list's interest. However, it is in many cases still piracy. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Numbers of systems available

by vcf＠siconic.com

I took Doug's advice and called Tom Fischer who took over IMSAI's operations when they went bankrupt. The number of IMSAI's produced is as follows: "According to a July 2002 e-mail from the IMSAI 8080 creator Joe Killian, "I remember passing the 17,000 mark. I believe it never went past 20,000" [between December of 1975 and September 1979]. Fischer-Freitas Company produced another 2100+ machines between November 1979 and June 1986. These machines can be identified by the Fischer-Freitas Company back panel label." This is right on the front page of imsai.net. More detailed information can be found here: http://www.imsai.net/history/imsai_history/imsai_pre_history.htm These numbers are not broken down by front panel vs. turnkey system, so it's still not readily known what the split was in terms of those counts. IMSAI also sold a number of other machines. Here's a nice summary (still being edited by Tom so some inaccuracies exist): http://www.imsai.net/support/imsai_systems.htm -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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New Toy! :-)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found another HP 1000! Third one in three weeks. I think this one is a keeper. Got ALL the cables including the AC power cables, the interface panel, the CPU (2113E with option 065) and 1 MW of memory, boot loader ROMs for HP 264x terminal, CS-80 hard drives and HP 79xx disk drives, plenty of interface cards and a HP 12979 I/O Expander chassis. Best of all, this one was untampered with so everything was there and where it was suppsoed to be and I was able to mark where all the cables, etc all went to. The only thing that I've found wrong with it so far is two broken switches on the front panel from where they kicked it off the truck! It had a 7914 hard drive attached but I left it behind. I've never found one worth taking home. Pictures at <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/hp1000/>. Joe

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