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Now the auction seems strange $1508 for toy computer

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

The final price was $1580.01 for the Geniac. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729184339

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ISA Expansion Box

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I have one of these boxes. It appears that IBM took another PC case off the assembly line, stuck in a power supply and a passive backplane. There are two interface cards, one for the PC and one for the expansion box, connected by a very stiff cable -- don't recall what's on them but probably buffering ICs and the like. The cable is about 3/4" in diameter. It terminates in D-shell connectors but I don't recall the pin count (probably D50). The stiffness of the cable borders on inflexible and mine pops-out of the metal shell constantly. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:42 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: ISA Expansion Box --- pmulry <paulm064(a)icqmail.com> wrote: > i've never actually seen one of these. If somone has clear pics can they > make them available for download. if not to complicated might be able to > make one using an isa riser card that came with an old 486. do they > connect to serial port or piggyback an isa slot? They are a box with a passive ISA back plane and a pair of ISA cards that are connected with a single round cable about as big around as your thumb. The box itself is styled like an XT (down to the sloping front). -ethan The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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VCFe Munich report

by Paul.HILLS＠landisgyr.com

Although the storage medium transferred to may have a shorter life, the information itself may have a longer life. As the previous poster said, he can store all his old 8-bit stuff in a tiny corner of his hard disk. That can get stored to CD. Now write-able DVD has arrived, it can be copied to an even smaller corner of a DVD. When the next, even more dense, medium arrives, it may be copied to an increasingly smaller corner of that. As long as this copying process occurs more often than the life-length of each medium, there's no problem. Keeping a copy of each intervening storage media gives you your backups too. There is a danger of leaving the information on the original only, as exemplified by the problems with the BBC's (UK) doomsday project (http://www.si.umich.edu/CAMILEON/domesday/press.html), which fortunately were solved. Even though it may be theoretically possible to resurrect the data, it might be very difficult. paul -----Original Message----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: 12 May 2003 20:53 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: VCFe Munich report > Hans' presentation on storing vintage computer data as XML made me > realise that the most important thing is to get everything preserved, > and then work out what to do with it. I could store everything I've > ever written on an 8-bit computer in a corner of my existing hard drive > and not even notice it was there. I've got to dig out all those KCS > cassettes, ASR33 printouts and even a few bits of paper tape and get > them transferred. I can assure you those paper tapes will still be readable long after your hard disk had headcrashed!. Why do people insist on transfering reliable storage media onto modern, unreliable stuff? It's the same with photographs and cine films -- people transfer them to CDs and DVDs. The originals have a much longer life... -tony

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WTB: expanded memory cards (and more)

by xtguy＠mindspring.com

I noticed back in March that numerous people had Intel Aboveboard expanded memory cards for PC's which were offered on this list. I'm looking for at least several of the Intel that would work in an 8 bit slot (XT class) and several 16 bit ones that would work in a 286 or higher. I've been on this list for several months now (and I hope this isn't poor form) but I am looking for the following items as well: WordPerfect 2x or 3x for DOS Word for DOS 1x Morrow MDT-20, ADM-20 or MDT-50 video serial terminal IBM 5150 (case only) IBM 5170 (case only, power supply optional) Please contact me off the list. Thank you.

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Sage-II

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 17, 0:32, Paul Booth wrote: > Anyone got one of these beasties? I picked it up last year or the year > before, in one of those daft runaway auctions, obviously ending up paying > way more than it was worth. > > Unfortunately there was no OS with it, so it's currently a small, oblong > shaped doorstop. Can anyone help me? I have a Sage-II, and I have UCSD p-System disks for it (one configured for an ANSI terminal, one for a VT52). They're DS DD 80-track disks (1280 blocks). I don't think I have any other software for it, though. Mail me off-list and I can arrange to make a copy and post it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Leaving the hobby

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> TeoZ asks: > > When does a hobby turn into an obsesion or compulsion? > > Taken from Christine Reilly, Institute for Research on Pathological > Gambling, Harvard Medical School http://www.hms.harvard.edu/doa > (As per NPR, abbreviated) > > Symptoms of addiction > o Crave it. Obsessive thinking about the activity. > o Continued involvement despite adverse consequences > o Increasing levels to get the same satisfaction > > Relating an experience I had for 24 hours once with > painkillers for a broken leg I would add: > > o Gradual replacing of satisfaction with irritability. > > Good source material for the subject: > the book "Terminal Man". No joke. > > John A. The question is, how many people have taken the time to consider how unhealthy the Classic Computer hobby actually is. Personally I have serious admiration for people like Jeffrey Sharp who just get out of it. While I've managed to limit the "Classic Computer habit" to basically DEC gear, I still have a massive pile of 8-bit Micro's and other non-DEC Junk. All told, I've got about 1 1/2 10x10 storage units full of computer junk. Overall, I really need to start figuring out how to unload most of it. At times I wonder if the smartest thing to do wouldn't be to simply call in a Scrapper I know. The problem is, I'd really like to recover some of the money that I've sunk into the Hobby. BTW, if anyone in the vicinity of Portland, Oregon is looking for stuff, let me know. I'm to the point where I'd like to get rid of most all of the non-DEC stuff that I've got. Zane

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A GENIAC selling for $800

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I guess I will never get one now at these prices. :-( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729184339&category=1247

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Leaving the hobby

by brian.roth＠fnfg.com

Ditto, I'll be moving into my new house on 30 acres in three weeks. Not only do I get the whole basement, I'm putting up a large building later this fall. I have been married for 23 years and my wife has put up with this stuff for probably half of it. She thinks I'm a little looney collecting this stuff but she finds humor in all of it. She really has no interest in technology but she does find the historical significance interesting at times. She is a total American history buff. Too much of anything will burn you out. That's when you put it away for a while and do something else. I do know one thing for sure. Jeffrey will regret getting rid of this stuff some day. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. >This is really weird, since I'm also moving in two weeks. We are >leasing a 160 year old farm house on 5 acres. The place has a gigantic >attic and a barn so I wont have to make my computer room double as a >storage area. Brian Roth Network Administrator A+ N+ CNA CCNA Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com ***************************************************************************** ********************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ***************************************************************************** ********************* BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:roth, brian TEL;WORK:2186 ORG:;Network Services TEL;PREF;FAX:716-625-0012 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:brian.roth@fnfg.com N:roth;brian X-GWUSERID:1372 END:VCARD

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In search of Christopher Willis

by cb＠mythtech.net

>What is a BBS? Yikes. My first reaction was this must be a joke. Someone on this list doesn't know what a BBS is. But then I realized, this is a list for classic computers, with the definition of classic being older than 10 years. By 1993 the internet was on a solid growth, and BBSs were already hard to find. Kind of scary that some of the people that might just be getting into this "lifestyle" (now that we have determined it is a lifestyle) honestly may not know what a BBS is. Nor might they know anything about much that predates the existance of Windows and the Mac OS. Hopefully, we can welcome the new people, and educate them to what they have missed out on... while keeping the list from degrading into a glorified Windows 95 tech support forum. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Who here has a Planar ELT-320?

by postmaster＠orison.dsserv.com

Don't know if you have an interest, but on eBay I have one with a keyboard: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3025232873&category=1121… Clay

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IBM finds at Auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

The other day I picked up the following items: IBM Powerstation 560 type 7013 IBM Powerserver 590 type 7013 IBM Powerstation 560F type 7013 None of them have been tested yet.

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In search of Christopher Willis

by stevenaleach＠mac.com

Hello, I know this may be a long shot but I figured I'd try it anyway. I figure there is a good chance that someone on the list may know an old friend of mine, Christopher Willis. I met Chris and his wife Pat (Patricia) on a BBS in southern Ohio. Chris's impressive collection of computers included an Altair 8800B with a Winchester hard disk, two 8 inch drives, and a Televideo 912c terminal. When Chris joined the navy (I believe this was 1996, though it may have been earlier.. hmm.. maybe 94?) He left the Altair system with me which went into storage at my parents house when I left for college, where It still lives (I'm getting ready to recover it and set it up in my new house soon) Other computers in his collection ranged from 8080/z80 boards to various oddball multiuser mini's. At one point (years before I knew him), I know that he had a collection housed in a warehouse (Many of which he ended up losing eventually). Among others, this collection included a UNIVAC. [see why I think someone on the list might know him?] Over the years, I lost contact with Chris and would love to get ahold of him and Pat again. If out there could help me track him down it would be greatly appreciated.

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StorageWorks question

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Peter Turnbull wrote: . > 1 x HSD10-AA DSSI-SCSI controller (what does this do, exactly?) Jochen Kunz responded: . > Sounds like a very nifty device that can turn a (bunch of) SCSI > disk(s) into a (bunch of) DSSI disk(s). I received the following bundle last week: BA356-KC StorageWorks box/shelf BA35X-MG 8-bit SCSI interface (dual uDB50's) HSD05-AA DSSI/SCSI adapter Indeed, this is expected to allow me to use some nice SCSI SBBs >from the DSSI bus in the VAX 3400 in the basement. First though, I've got to scare up a DSSI cable and terminator... So far as I can tell the HSD05 will not do the RAID tricks that an HSD10 is capable of. No idea then what an HSD30 can do - maybe just faster version of HSD10? --S.

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RAMS

by jberaro＠ap.unitech.ac.pg

What Companies in Australia sell 2114 RAMs? Can anyone out there help? Joshua Beraro Principal Technical Officer Applied Physics Department PNG University of Technology Papua New Guinea

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MINC-11

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 9, 9:53, Witchy wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Peter Turnbull > > Sent: 06 May 2003 23:58 > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: MINC-11 > > > > If anyone in the UK wants a MINC-11, I know where there is one, > I haven't any more room either.....whereabouts in Scotland is it? Edinburgh. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Oldest computer still in current use

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Yes, oddly enough, it at one point was sitting in the power parallel dept running calculations for various things while the deep blue was being built. I remember my father's manager complaining about IBM insisting that their subcontractor department had to use it and were not allowed to replace it. The just put in for a replacement of a "failed server" that sat there running fine and IBM plopped in another $150k server next to it without realizing it. Though, the S/360/30 was still used. Nowadays, from what I last heard from a guy at IBM Poughkeepsie, NY, the S/360/30 in question is being used to process and develop information on some of IBM's older but still used machines (such as software/firmware development and revisions, etc.). I've also heard htat a similar unit was being used by KLA Temcor (sp?) in robotics development and control. They seem to like coming to my company's shop and picking up serial and SCSI cabling for the robotic units to interface them with the controlling machines while they are being developed. Cheaper than continuously banging out proto-boards every time you'd like to make a change to the function or design or when you need to make a revision. -John At 12:50 AM 5/11/2003, you wrote: >On Sat, 10 May 2003, TeoZ wrote: > > > The oldest computer still in use has to be a government non military > > server somewhere. The military gets too much cash not to swap their > > equipment out every decade at the latest so I rule them out. Other > > branches only upgrade after every user who knows how to run the system > > is dead/retired. Probably some computer setup for the social security > > database, or liscense plate server or other mundane task. > > > > Besides im shure there are tons of Sinclair's running chemical plant > > controllers in the Ukraine somewhere that are at least older then the > > C64. > > > > What about the computer sent out in the Voyager spacecraft in the 70's? > > Or is this just personal computers? > >IBM East Fishkill still very much has Series/1's in full operation. I >think there's also an S/360/30 doing something. > >Peace... Sridhar ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

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ST Falcon Goes high on eBay

by Paul.HILLS＠landisgyr.com

Similarly, there are also sound cards now where the DSP is accessible. The first sound cards that came out with DSPs on weren't downloadable/programmable, but later ones were. $75 is a great price for an experimental platform! The good thing about the Atari Falcon at the time (a long time before DSPs appeared on sound cards and before softmodems existed) was that there was a public domain assembler for the MC56001, plus, thanks to Motorola's commendable policy of selling silicon but giving away supporting software (to a certain extent anyway), there was a huge library of public domain libraries for the 56K DSP series. There was also a commercial assembler/debugger for the MC56001 which was only about £60. That allowed all the standard debugger facilities - single stepping, register & memory view, breakpoints etc. It just goes to show that technically good products never sell themselves. The Atari Falcon was a dual-processor (MC68030 + MC56001) GUI-based machine which had available a pre-emptive multitasking operating system (MiNT), built in SCSI port & MIDI, 50kHz-sampling stereo 16 bit ADC/DACs, at a time when PCs were twice the price with no sound card, no SCSI, and had just got Windows 3.1...The Falcon flopped! paul -----Original Message----- From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] Sent: 12 May 2003 18:03 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: ST Falcon Goes high on eBay >From: "Hills, Paul" <Paul.HILLS(a)landisgyr.com> > >That's a lot - it's not really a vintage machine, nor a particularly rare >one. I still use mine as a MC56000 Digital Signal Processing (DSP) testbed. >At the time, the £500 I paid for it was a quarter of what I would have had >to pay to get a DSP experimentation card for a PC, and since I didn't have a >PC at the time it was a bargain. > >In addition to that, I wrote a series of articles about DSP for the ST >Format magazine in the UK, for which they paid me £500, recompensing the >computer's cost! Ha! > >paul > Hi For my DSP experiments, I got one of those "SoftModems". It had a A/D-D/A, ADSP2100 Analog Devices DSP and RAM to load the programs into. It only cost me $75 when new. Dwight

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RTG

by c.morris＠townsqr.com

I'll take a stab... I believe it stands for: radiothermal generator (i.e. a big load of strontium-90, or sometimes a plutonium isotope for longer life, in an insulated and shielded container with a large number of thermocouples). Reliable electrical power as long as the decay heat continues... -Charles

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Oldest computer still in current use

by barty＠mythtech.net

On another list I am on, we were discussing why DOS is still used today (basic answer, because its working just fine, so why upgrade). The following questions were posed that I don't know the answer to, but someone here might. 1: What is the oldest computer or comptuer system still in normal operational use 2: What is the oldest that is connected to the internet 3: What is the oldest connected to the internet AND hosting web pages that can be visited (I know of an Atari that is acting as a web server, don't remember the URL, but it shouldn't be tough to find... didn't know if there was something older) Figured this is the right place to get these questions answered.

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Removing Sharp ie Marker

by awt＠io.com

I have had some luck in the past with hair spray. Hair spray removes the marker then regular cleansers can remove the hair spray. Test it first on something disposable. -- Wayne Talbot <awt(a)io.com>

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Software wanted for SGI Irix

by davebarnes＠adelphia.net

I know this might be a long shot.. but anyways... Does anyone have any idea where I might buy, borrow, beg , etc ... Adobe Premiere ver 4.2 (was there any other version?) for the Silicon Graphics IRIX platform??? For that matter.. anyone even touch this or use it??? I have it for the PC, and the Mac on which I do video production, but recently have been bitten by the SGI bug would like to run same on my Irix system. Thanks for any info/leads... David Barnes -- David Barnes davebarnes(a)adelphia.net OpenVMS , Tru64, Netbsd, Linux guru and collector of DEC equipment

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RD54 drives & other shtuff up for bid

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've put a pair of RD54's up for bid on E-pay. Last time I looked, they were hovering around $20.00 for the pair. Auction ends next Friday. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=167&item=2730509191 Also, for those of you who may have a Data I/O 2900 series programmer, I came across some software kits for it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1504&item=2531783464 Thanks for putting up with my occasional shameless plug. ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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MPI 91/92, 101/102 Flexible Disk Drive Product Manual

by dave＠naffnet.org.uk

I have a copy of the MPI 91/92, 101/102 Flexible Disk Drive Product Manual (including service information, schematics etc.) that is available for P&P only. If there are no takers then it goes into the recycling box... Dave.

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MPI 91/92, 101/102 Flexible Disk Drive Product Manual

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 17, 8:42, Dave Woodman wrote: > I have a copy of the MPI 91/92, 101/102 Flexible Disk Drive Product > Manual (including service information, schematics etc.) that is > available for P&P only. > > If there are no takers then it goes into the recycling box... I'll take it "for the shelf" if no-one else wants it for a drive they've got. You can never have to many service manuals :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Leaving the hobby

by loedman1＠juno.com

Gee I wish someone had informed me that the mullet was out, next you will be telling me that my cuffed corduroys, platform shoes and double-knit shirts are no longer the pinnacle of fashion. Rich >From: "Thompson Family" <mthomps5(a)columbus.rr.com> >False shock and sentimentality went the way of the mullet. Just ignore me if >you don't like me.

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Leaving the hobby

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I just signed on with a mover yesterday and it's going to cost me a ton >to move my butt and my family to a new house, much of it because of the >thousands of pounds of computers and related items I've got stashed. > >Hell, the reason we're moving is that we're out of space! :) My wife just told me last night that "We are not taking that sh*t with us when we move". She was refering to the piles of computers I have in my barn. I'm still trying to figure out who the "We" was referring to. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Removing duct tape residue.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 16, 3:55, vance(a)neurotica.com wrote: > I usually see isopropanol rather than methanol at the pharmacist. It may depend on the pharmacy, and methanol is more likely to be in the back room than the front shelf. IPA is sold as "rubbing alcohol" in the States, "methylated spirit" for a variety of purpose is commonly available in the UK and most of Europe -- it's a mixture of ethanol and methanol (plus dye). The point, however, is that methanol is a better solvent for felt-tip and ballpoint pen inks than isopropanol is, and that's what the original reference was about, IIRC. For glue residue (incl. duct tape), though, what we call "white spirit" or "turpentine substitute" (not to be confused with cellulose paint thinner) in the UK, is better than any of the common alcohols. None of the above will have any effect on most plastics, unlike toluene, MEK, acetone, ..., all of which are solvents for many plastics (in fact, for most non-waxy plastics, which leaves little but polythene and PTFE). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Preserving ancient media

by Paul.HILLS＠landisgyr.com

I have quite a bit of software on cassette tapes for 1980s home computers. Does anyone know of a simple method (without having to design and build myself a dual-tone decoder circuit + write suitable PC software) of getting this information onto a PC? I guess the home computer emulator pages on the web must have done this. Maybe I could record it as a WAV file then write a program to decode the WAV? Or would MP3 encoding be capable of compressing and reliable expanding the audio data (MP3 is of course designed to compress music which these squeaks and whistles clearly are not, even if they lie within the audio spectrum!). paul

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Classics in BC

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Any sites for classic in Vancouver Lillooet Kamloops or Victoria or en route? I have a road trip coming up soon.

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Leaving the hobby

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

> >I just signed on with a mover yesterday and it's going to cost me a ton > >to move my butt and my family to a new house, much of it because of the > >thousands of pounds of computers and related items I've got stashed. > > > >Hell, the reason we're moving is that we're out of space! :) > > My wife just told me last night that "We are not taking that sh*t with us > when we move". She was refering to the piles of computers I have in my > barn. > > I'm still trying to figure out who the "We" was referring to. :-) Fortunately my wife is as big of a packrat as I am. She's got her "junk" and I've got mine. Hopefully you work out who that "we" is pretty quickly! Erik www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum

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Removing duct tape residue.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 16, 14:27, TeoZ wrote: > How many people keep something as nasty as MEK in their house? > Generally if your trying to disolve something then pick a solvent in the > same family as the ink is made out of. like disolves like is a general rule. MEK isn't particularly nasty. Less nasty than acetone, and you'll find that in many houses (in the guise of nail polish remover). Less nasty than some of the things found in various paint thinners. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Removing duct tape residue.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 16, 15:28, Joe wrote: > MEK has all but been banned in the US and is just about impossible for an > individual to obtain. Besides it EATS plastic! I believe it's still commonly used for certain industrial processes. Yes, it does attack plastic -- that's it's principal use :-) Ditto for actone. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Leaving the hobby

by acme＠ao.net

From: Thompson Family <mthomps5(a)columbus.rr.com> Date: 05/15/2003 6:37 PM > If you can't be unkind and unfair in speculating then why speculate at all? > Lighten up. You make a cryptic statement and naturally people are going to > react to it. Rushing to be mister sensitive is more annoying than cycinysm.. > and not nearly as entertaining. Jeffrey Sharp has made a tremendous contribution to this list, and therefore, to the cause of classic computing in general. There was nothing cryptic about his statement -- he simply stated what he is going to do. Additionally, people do not "naturally react" to another person's statement -- you chose to respond in the way that you did, and I certainly agree with Don's assesment of your choice. Glen 0/0 Don Maslin wrote: > > I think it is unfair and unkind to speculate like that. Just > > accept what he said and let it go at that. > > - don

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Leaving the hobby

by brian.roth＠fnfg.com

Brian Roth Network Administrator A+ N+ CNA CCNA Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com >>> rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com 05/16/03 03:30PM >>> Chris, I'm moving into a new house in three weeks. My wife keeps taking about the lawn and flowers. The basement is all mine. <grin> Where do you live? I'll come and help relieve you of your "burdon". :-) Joe ***************************************************************************** ********************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ***************************************************************************** ********************* BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:roth, brian TEL;WORK:2186 ORG:;Network Services TEL;PREF;FAX:716-625-0012 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:brian.roth@fnfg.com N:roth;brian X-GWUSERID:1372 END:VCARD

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LA36 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

If anyone is looking for a LA36 there is one at the surplus exchange at 1107 Hickory Kansas City Missouri. Not-for-profit office equipment/computer equipmnent recycling. mike

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Leaving the hobby

by brian.roth＠fnfg.com

Not with a dehumidifier and insulation. Also radiant heat helps. Brian Roth Network Administrator A+ N+ CNA CCNA Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com >>> teoz(a)neo.rr.com 05/16/03 04:25PM >>> >I keep alot of my collection in the basement also, any long term problems >with computer parts and slightly higher then average humidity? >----- Original Message ----- From: "brian roth" <brian.roth(a)fnfg.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Leaving the hobby ***************************************************************************** ********************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ***************************************************************************** ********************* BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:roth, brian TEL;WORK:2186 ORG:;Network Services TEL;PREF;FAX:716-625-0012 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:brian.roth@fnfg.com N:roth;brian X-GWUSERID:1372 END:VCARD

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Request for additional developers and testers (HPEMU)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Greetings folks! As many know, I have been working on an emulator (hpemu) for the HP 2100 type computer systems for some time. An incredible amount of progress has been made, however, I only have so much time I can dedicate to this project. More importantly, I've wanted to find other people to "join the team" and help work on it, but I needed to first get the API's and structure well defined, coded, and tested first. That is certainly now done. In addition, I finally decided the project will be released "open source". Actually, it will be "dual licensed", with individual use being free and under the GPL (just like the mysql license). Complete source code is available (as of the pending alpha release) and free. As a result, I wanted to query the folks here to see if anyone was interested in helping with the development. People wanting to help work on the code should have a working knowledge of programming in C on unix platforms. The emulator makes heavy use of SYSV style message queues, and BSD style pipes and sockets - so familiarity with these is pretty essential. All of the code is non-blocking, so familiarity with that type of programming environment is a big help. Of course, knowledge of the 2100 machine language would make things a lot easier for you. The cpu module is tested and running, as are several devices/interfaces. Most of the work needing to be done now involves adding functionality to the configuration options processing, optimizing existing code, error reporting and logging, and most of all coding additional devices that use the API to tie to the cpu. Of course, ideas/code for new/better features is welcome. Perhaps someone would like to take the 2100 module and enhance it to make a 21MX module? If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list. Regards, Jay West

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BBS (was: In search of . . .)

by acme＠ao.net

From: Thompson Family <mthomps5(a)columbus.rr.com> Date: 05/15/2003 6:32 PM > What is a BBS? ROFLMAO! You're serious, aren't you? May I ask how old you are? Glen 0/0

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Leaving the hobby

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

> Go out and buy all sorts of old computer crap. Fill every inch of your > living space with it. Go broke dragging the stuff around with you every > move and trying to find a place to put it. I just signed on with a mover yesterday and it's going to cost me a ton to move my butt and my family to a new house, much of it because of the thousands of pounds of computers and related items I've got stashed. Hell, the reason we're moving is that we're out of space! :) Erik

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Running PCs on 12v

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Another solution would be to buy a 12 to 120V converter and rewind the transformer to have the needed output voltages for the PC. I've rewound one to create voltages for my 20's battery powered radio. It isn't all that hard to do. This way you only have to one stage of conversion. The units for $200 are only that way because of the small demand. Combining a PC power supply with an inverter by rewinding the transformer is relatively simple. Dwight >From: "David Woyciesjes" <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> > >"Cini, Richard" wrote: >> >> Hello, all: >> >> This is a bit OT (because of the PC being used) but I believe that >> the application of the solution is timeless :-) >> >> Anyway, I want to run a "book" PC on 12v while I'm outside using the >> telescope (the PC will run the CCD camera setup). I gave some thought to >> simply using an AC inverter, but converting 12v to 120v AC and then back to >> PC power supply voltages seemed horribly inefficient. >> >> The power supply is rated 12v/5.5a and 5v/1a. It's an NLX-type >> motherboard, so the 12v is converted to 5v for various peripherals at the >> point of need. The 5v from the power supply is to support system standby >> mode only. >> >> I went hunting for DC-input PC-form-factor supplies but they're >> upwards of $200. I thought about directly connecting the battery to the PC >> and using a small DC-DC converter for the 5v, but the battery voltage isn't >> really 12v (it's more like 13.8v) so a regulator would be necessary. >> >> Any thoughts as to a simple, low-cost yet efficient solution? >> >> Rich > > Have you looked around http://www.mp3car.com? A site for putting PCs in >your car, as a music source. Here's some DC-DC converters you could >buy... >http://www.mp3car.com/hardwarecats.asp?Type=H&Cat=P > I vaguely remember seeing somewhere on that site a couple different >plans for building your own supply... > >-- >--- Dave Woyciesjes >--- ICQ# 905818

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Running PCs on 12v

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: This is a bit OT (because of the PC being used) but I believe that the application of the solution is timeless :-) Anyway, I want to run a "book" PC on 12v while I'm outside using the telescope (the PC will run the CCD camera setup). I gave some thought to simply using an AC inverter, but converting 12v to 120v AC and then back to PC power supply voltages seemed horribly inefficient. The power supply is rated 12v/5.5a and 5v/1a. It's an NLX-type motherboard, so the 12v is converted to 5v for various peripherals at the point of need. The 5v from the power supply is to support system standby mode only. I went hunting for DC-input PC-form-factor supplies but they're upwards of $200. I thought about directly connecting the battery to the PC and using a small DC-DC converter for the 5v, but the battery voltage isn't really 12v (it's more like 13.8v) so a regulator would be necessary. Any thoughts as to a simple, low-cost yet efficient solution? Rich

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Leaving the hobby

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Aww - what fun is that? How about this: > >Bill's Top 10 Reasons to Leave the Classic Computer Hobby OMFG!!! That is the funniest s* I have read in a while. You should think about sticking it on a shirt and selling them at the next VCF! Humm... mind if I make myself a shirt? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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An Invitation

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

Hello fellow vintage computer fans, A few weeks ago I announced the creation of the Vintage Computer Forum (http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum) and since then the response has been excellent! In just a few weeks we?ve had thousands of visits and hundreds of messages posted by dozens of new members with many more people coming by to have a look around. I promise that I won?t be posting my invitation repeatedly (I don?t want to spam the list), but I would once again like to encourage anyone interested in vintage computing topics to swing by the VC Forum to see what it?s all about and, hopefully, to sign up and participate in our discussions. Topical areas have been created for a wide variety of interests including Apple, Atari, Commodore, DEC, CP/M, S-100, Vintage Programming and many more; including some off-topic areas for those so inclined. Additional topics will be added as they are requested by the VC Forum community. Best regards, Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum

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5362 computer and similar

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Subject: 5362 computer Subject: IBM 5362 Subject: Re: Intellec 8 Etc. Hi These really look like address miner queries. I wonder if the people sending these queries even know what they are asking about? I don't recall cctalk(a)classiccmp.org as posting adds. Dwight

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Need HP9830A Calculator service manual

by vcf＠siconic.com

Has anyone got an HP 9830A Calculator service manual? I'm trying to help someone out. A photocopy or scan would be adequate. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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In search of Christopher Willis

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

> A BBS is typically a single user. I'd seen many a serious, multi line, multi user BBS system in days gone by. At 08:15 PM 5/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 15 May 2003, Thompson Family wrote: > > > No I am not kidding.. > > > >BBS is an acronym for Bulletin Board System. A BBS is typically a single >user message base/file download system that is accessed by modem. > >Check out http://www.bbsdocumentary.com > >g.

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Intellec 8 Etc.

by JEFFPEREZ＠LIBERTYPR.NET

do you still have the Royton Sweda Punch station?

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Univac 9200 in Minneapolis

by yakowenk＠yahoo.com

(Apologies if this comes through twice; I've been having e-mail troubles for several days, and re-trying...) I've just got word of a Univac 9200 available in Minneapolis. It is in a building that is due to be torn down in about a week, so if you are in a position to do anything about it, do it soon! If its owner doesn't get any offers, it may well go to e-bay. At the present, he seems willing to just give it to anyone who wants to keep the whole thing and can cart it away! If nobody can arrange a rescue of the whole machine, then I've got dibs on parts, because I've got a mostly-complete 9200 that could use them. Still, if you have an actual need for any particular part, let me know, and if it is something that my machine doesn't need I would be willing to share. Note that, like my machine, his is also missing the power-supply-and-memory cabinet. For those who don't already know, the Univac 9200 was a late-60's minicomputer based on small-scale pre-TTL (maybe SUHL?) technology. It came with 8K of thin-film RAM (some variation of magnetic core memory), and a built-in line-printer. Physically, it was about the size of an office desk, but maybe twice as tall. I've got a web page with a little info about mine, here: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/univac/ If interested, contact me (now or sooner!). It'll most likely be first-come, first-served. Cheers, Bill. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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Teletype 33-TU in Kansas City at surplus exchange

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

There is a Teletype unit model 33 TU with a roll of paper in the unit at the surplus exchange at 1107 Hickory. If anybody is interested I can ask about the price. Mike m m c f a d d e n @ c m h . e d u

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IBM 5362

by robbiej600＠hotmail.com

Hello, I just got an old IBM 5362 computer and I was searching the internet for information about it and came across a add you had posted a while back,I was was wondering if you know of any good sites were there is information about it.I was wondering how to hook the 5362 to my ibm 3270 workstation,please e-mail me back if you can help.Thanks-Robbie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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