On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Paul Thompson wrote:
> Yes, it does. A kernel setting and some user commands:
>
> llogin (vms: set host/lat)
Llogin is indeed "outbound LAT"; the system comes with a LAT
service (inbound conns) as well:
(kebab)~$ uname -a
OSF1 kebab V5.1 2650 alpha alpha
(kebab)~$ llogin -d
Learned Services:
Service Name Node Rating Identification
C_ANDREW DS-VAXCON 255 Console MicroVAX 3400
C_DAWN DS-VAXCON 90 Console VAXserver 3100 SCSI
C_IS1000T_1 DS-VAXCON 255 Console InfoTower 1000 #1
C_IS150_1 DS300-1 255 Console IS150_1
C_TARA DS-VAXCON 255 Console VAX 4700A
C_TWINS DS300-1 255 Console MicroVAX 3300
C_UNIBUS DS300-1 90 Console VAXserver 3100
C_VAXLAB DS300-1 255 Console VAX 4100A
C_WILLOW DS-VAXCON 255 Console VAX 4505A
C_XANDER DS-VAXCON 90 Console MicroVAX 3800
GW GW 5 Cisco LAT GW
INFOSERVER INFOSERVER 255 VAXlab IS1000
IS150VXT_1 IS150VXT_1 255 IS150VXT voor Test
KEBAB KEBAB 19 Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B LAT SERVICE
MIPSFAIR MIPSFAIR 0 DEC OSF/1 Version 2.0 LAT SERVICE
MODEM DS200-2 255 Courier I-Modem
OMNIBUS DS200-2 90 Test Omni
(kebab)~$
> ccr (ncp connect node),
CCR is part of MOP (MOP Remote Console), not LAT, but OK. Its
there, too, yes.
--f
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Hiyas,
OK. Yes, it *is* there. And running.
I managed to install a fairly weird tape kit containing V2.0 BL8
of DEC's OSF/1 UNIX offering for their MIPS-based "DECstation"
line of systems.
It actually runs pretty good. Even on a very small machine (the
first test system was a DS2100 (12.5MHz R2000 with 24MB ;-) it
works fine. Even LAT works like a charm :)
I can see why they didnt release this one, though.. it is quite
raw, unfinished in many areas (I had to really work and tweak
stuff before I got a prompt..) and they obviously never intended
this to work on serial-console systems :)
But.. yay. It works, now. Just for the record:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(vaxlab)$ telnet mipsfair
Trying 10.0.11.89...
Connected to mipsfair.
Escape character is '^]'.
OSF/1 (mipsfair) (ttyp0)
login: root
Password:
DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8 (Rev. 155); Sun Nov 14 21:45:24 MET 1999
DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8.1 Worksystem Software (Rev. 133)
The installation software has successfully installed your system.
There are logfiles which contain a record of your installation.
These are:
/var/adm/smlogs/install.log - general log file
/var/adm/smlogs/it.log - log for it(8) utility
/var/adm/smlogs/install.FS.log - file system creation logs
/var/adm/smlogs/setld.log - log for the setld(8) utility
/var/adm/smlogs/fverify.log - verification log file
# uname -a
OSF1 mipsfair 2.0 2.0 mips
#
-----------------------------------------------------------------
For those who would like to play with it, contact me off-list.
If you happen to have OSF stuff lying around [*and* know where
to find it *evil smile*..] drop me a line, please!
Cheers,
Fred
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I wrote:
> I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative
> execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before
> 12-nov-1993).
Well - how about the IBM 360/91 - and I imagine the Burroughs high-end stuff
did as well. I'm pretty sure the B4900 did, which suggests the B6900
probably did the same. These are circa 1980.
Steve Wilson
(Burroughs Alum)
On Nov 14, 17:28, Tom Jennings wrote:
> All criticisms are correct, my only defense is that it was 'for
> illustration purposes only' (sic).
>
> But it also proves a point, no code is 'temporary', kludges last
forever
> to embarrass their authors and all code needs documentation :-)
I can only use one "word" to follow that up: IEFBR14
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Nov 14, 20:23, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote:
> Oh, I used the IRIX cc compiler. I found it to be a much nicer
ANSI C
> compiler than GCC, and with full warnings would tell you which
section of
> ANSI C (chapter and verse) which might cause a problem. If I'm using
IRIX,
> I would rather use the IRIX cc than gcc. Unfortunately, it now costs
an arm
> and a leg (then too!)
Yes, more's the pity. Unless you're running a really old version of
IRIX, like 5.3, in which case you can download the IDO for free, these
days, so long as you don't mind it not having some of the libraries
that we tend to take for granted these days.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Nov 14, 16:48, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote:
> I know the IRIX C compiler can do global optimizations but that
takes
> quite a bit of time and processing power; I never bothered with it
when I
> was programming under IRIX. And this was at least 10 years ago so
it's
> margially on topic here 8-P
Maybe you should have. About 1996, I did a project during which (as a
side-effect) I spent a while looking at compiler output, and comparing
gcc to IRIX cc. In all the cases I tried, cc took about the same time
to compile as gcc, but produced faster (and often smaller) code.
That's not too surprising, really. For one thing, cc used a bigger
optimisation window. For another, it's written by a bunch of people
who are very close to the processor it's written for, and they didn't
have to worry about whether anything would work with some other
architecture; they could (and did) do extensive re-ordering of
instructions.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hiyas,
Now that I'm doing nothing anyway, might as well pester y'all
with a question. Its offtopic, so there.
I am blessed with many feet of DECconnect cable (ya know, the
flat serial cables DEC used) and most of that cable is crimped
with one MMJ, and one RJ45 - probably cables going to RJ45 wall
sockets.
Obviously, I want to get rid of the RJ45's, soo.. where does
one order a bag (250-500) of these MMJs these days? I have
the right tools for it, just not the MMJs - used to have them
a long time ago, but that supply didnt last forever ...
If anyone knows a source, preferrably in Europe, that would
be great!
Cheers,
Fred
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Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/
Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/
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My family has a fully functional Apple IIGS computer purchased in 1984 or
1985 I believe. It has a 5.25" and two 3.5" daisy chained drives, printer,
keyboard and mouse, joystick, and lots of software (old games) for it. Is
it of any value or interest to anyone? Anybody know a way to electronically
transfer old documents from the word processor programs of that day to
modern Word format - or is my best option to print and scan anything of
significance?
Benjamin R. Campbell
Assistant Research Engineer
Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center
77 Glade Drive
Kittanning, PA 16201
email: <mailto:brc138@psu.edu> brc138(a)psu.edu
work: 724-543-0266
cel: 412-877-0072
fax: 724-545-9797
<file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/bcampbell/Application%20Data/Microsof
t/Signatures/www.electro-optics.org> www.electro-optics.org
Is a Fairchild MB8116E the same as a standard 16kx1 4116 dynamic RAM?
Does anyone have a bunch (80 or more) that they would be willing to
part with? I need to populate the 2nd half of a memory board.
--tom
On Nov 14, 12:58, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> both appear to be on
> 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap
[...]
> 12% fgrep TREK73 *
> Binary file 00316 matches
[...]
> 13% strings *316*|more
> ------------------------------------ 00316
-------------------------------------
> TREK
> $R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO
> R *** IN A100 ***
> R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION
> R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON
> R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460
> R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY***
> )HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ]
This is a later version, not the original. I'm sort of glad about
that, because I was halfway through retyping the last part (of about 50
pages) when my email client beeped and I read this ;-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Nov 14, 5:35, Eric Smith wrote:
> There's no challenge in naming a few parts that have speculative
> execution.
No, I suppose there isn't, assuming one knows what the term means at
all, because it's common in modern processors.
> However, I may have been a bit hasty. Although I don't think the
> R4600 was out at that time, after thinking about it some more it
> occurs to me that some earlier R4K series parts may have had
> speculative execution, and probably the DEC Alpha (20164).
I don't know much about the inner workings of Alphas, so I didn't
mention it. Nor do I know all that much about the inner workings of
R4K prior to the R4600, except that I know an R4600 will outstrip an
R4400 at the same clock speed (modulo cache differences) and an R4400
will outdo an R4000 by a fair bit. In fact, the earliest R4000 chips
were embarrassingly slow. I don't think R3000 or R4000 had speculative
execution, but I'm not absolutely sure.
> > I meant the Pentium family.
>
> Is there really a Pentium family? Aside from the Pentium Pro,
> Pentium II, and Pentium 3, which use similar cores, there seems to be
> little microarchitectural similarity between parts for which Intel
uses
> the "Pentium" name. For instance, there seems to be more similarity
> between the i486 and Pentium cores than between the Pentium III and
> Pentium IV cores, despite the fact that the Pentium was superscalar
> and the i486 was not.
I'm sure you're right. I've almost deliberately avoided knowing too
much about Intel chips post-8085, except to find out what MMX really
does, and discovering along the way that Intel do seem to have changed
their minds a few times.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
both appear to be on
2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap
I think Eric has already written a program to convert back
>from TSB packed form to text.
247% fgrep "TRADERS" *
Binary file 00313 matches
Binary file 00314 matches
Binary file 01780 matches
Binary file 01781 matches
12% fgrep TREK73 *
Binary file 00316 matches
Binary file 00384 matches
Binary file 00387 matches
Binary file 00993 matches
Binary file 00994 matches
Binary file 00995 matches
Binary file 00996 matches
Binary file 00997 matches
Binary file 00998 matches
Binary file 00999 matches
Binary file 01000 matches
Binary file 01001 matches
Binary file 01002 matches
Binary file 01003 matches
Binary file 01004 matches
Binary file 01006 matches
Binary file 01007 matches
Binary file 01008 matches
Binary file 01009 matches
Binary file 01022 matches
Binary file 01024 matches
Binary file 01025 matches
Binary file 01027 matches
Binary file 01028 matches
Binary file 01029 matches
Binary file 01030 matches
Binary file 01031 matches
Binary file 01032 matches
Binary file 01033 matches
Binary file 01034 matches
13% strings *316*|more
------------------------------------ 00316 -------------------------------------
TREK
$R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO
R *** IN A100 ***
R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION
R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON
R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460
R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY***
)HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ]
CAPTAIN: MY LAST NAME IS
: MY SEX IS
MISS
FAIRY
FRUIT
' I'M EXPECTING [1-9] ENEMY VESSELS.
UHURA:
,, STARFLEET COMMAND REPORTS THAT IT CAN ONLY
BE FROM 1 TO 9. TRY AGAIN.
4: CORRECT, LIEUTENANT--JUST TESTING YOUR ATTENTION.
This computer is located in Macau, adjacent to Hong Kong.
It wasn't clear to me if the owner expected to be paid, or
if he just wanted someone to pick it up.
Six attachment JPGs of sales literature available on request to
me via private email. Looks like a 160 kg desk with a monitor,
keyboard, integrated 132 column printer, and two 240K 8" drives.
The literature claims an 8-bit LSI CPU, about 8K words RAM.
- John
>From: "CyberMe" <cyberme(a)macau.ctm.net>
>To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
>Subject: Historical Computer - Collector Item
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:54:37 +0800
>
>I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its original catalogs for your easy reference.
>
>Awaiting your soonest reply.
>
>Thanks and best regards,
>Monte
> I'm 99% sure I have the microcode roms for RTE-6
I have them as well. I should have a grandfather tape or two around also.
Jay, have you ever seen any documentation of what the added instructions do?
I turned up some docs from Sam on RTE4, and at that time they were MMU related
and may have included queue and some of the OS scheduler.
I found a post online that you once had a Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator
(http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-January/007249.html) I
have a mainframe that needs one. do you still have it?
Benjamin R. Campbell
5332 Hardt Road
Gibsonia, PA 15044-9114
home: 724-443-0022
cel: 412-877-0072
email: brc138(a)psu.edu
www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/r/brc138/
Assistant Research Engineer
Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center
77 Glade Drive
Kittanning, PA 16201
work: 724-543-0266
fax: 724-545-9797
www.electro-optics.org
"One should not pursue goals that are easily achieved. One must develop an
instinct for what one can just barely achieve through one's greatest
efforts."
- Albert Einstein
On Nov 13, 21:48, Eric Smith wrote:
> Peter Turnbull wrote:
> > Then I get three because I understood it, and can think of
processors
> > that do it -- and a few more because I've not only got some (MIPS
> > R4600, R5K and R10K)
>
> None of which were available in November 1993. And having used the
> R4600 quite a bit in 1996, I'm fairly sure that it did *not* have
> speculative execution.
I thought the R4600 was, though maybe it was early 1994, but actually I
wasn't claiming any particular date -- just that they do speculative
execution.
> > The Pentium can do speculative execution as well,
>
> The Pentium was superscalar, but did not do speculative execution.
> SE was introduced with the Pentium Pro, which was not introduced
until
> 1995.
I meant the Pentium family. Yes, I knew the Pentium Pro was the first
-- and it didn't work all that well so Intel changed the branch
prediction algorithm for the Pentium II.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
This computer is located in Macau, adjacent to Hong Kong.
It wasn't clear to me if the owner expected to be paid, or
if he just wanted someone to pick it up.
Six attachment JPGs of sales literature available on request to
me via private email. Looks like a 160 kg desk with a monitor,
keyboard, integrated 132 column printer, and two 240K 8" drives.
The literature claims an 8-bit LSI CPU, about 8K words RAM.
- John
>From: "CyberMe" <cyberme(a)macau.ctm.net>
>To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
>Subject: Historical Computer - Collector Item
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:54:37 +0800
>
>I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its original catalogs for your easy reference.
>
>Awaiting your soonest reply.
>
>Thanks and best regards,
>Monte
We received a letter (on real paper, envelope and all) here at Virginia
Tech yesterday from an elderly couple who need some help converting from
old 5.25" floppies to somewhat less old 3.5" floppies. The letter was
address to the "Computer Department" but for some strange reason it
ended up in my cube. Other than plugging a few cables into the new G-5
Cluster, I have no experience at all with Apple stuff. If any one on
the list can help these folks out, I'm sure they would appreciate it.
Here is the text of the letter:
-----------------------------------cut------------------------------------
213 Heady Avenue
Louisville, Ky 40207
10 November 2003
To the Computer Department
Virginia Polytechnic Institute
Blacksburg, VA
Dear Computer Genius(es),
Can you help us? This is a serious request.
We have an old Apple II c or gs word processor (old = 1985).(We are also
old, 65 & 70.)
We have important data on about 30 5.25" full floppy disks from it,
which we are trying to "CONVERT" to the newer 3.5 disks. It would take
years to retype it all.
We need all kinds of "exact" help - people have been "trying" to help us
and we can't get anywhere, i.e., we have an antique and expensive Apple
II 3.5 disk drive bought from a reseller. Now we are having trouble
finding the old single sided 800 KB 3.5 disks we believe it takes. IF
we find those disks, we need to know the process for transferring the
data.
IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE COMPUTER DEPARTMENT WHO REMEMBERS HOW TO DO
THIS ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY - and where we can by the SS 800 KB disks - and
could they please help us with simple step instructions?
Our e-mail can be used to send instructions (simple, please)
dkelly(a)worldnet.att.net
We would be very gratefully if anyone can help. Thanks for reading.
Sincerely,
(s) Dave and Wanda Kelly
Dave and Wanda Kelly
---------------------------------cut-------------------------------------
So, it looks like they need a source of disks and some instructions on
how to copy the files.
If any one can help them out please send them email direct to the
address in the letter.
Here is what I use:
For mild/moderate cleaning Simple Green works great.
For heavy yellowing I use Purple Power which removes a lot of, but not all,
of the yellowing (careful this can discolor metal).
I use both with the Black and Decker Versa Pac rotary scrub brush with the
soft brush attachment, if the case is removable, in the sink or driveway
with a hose.
Simple Green diluted 1:1 with water with a rag and Q-tips for cleaning the
keyboard and parts of the computer near elecrical components that can't be
hosed down or put in the sink as in step one.
Goo-Be-Gone for spot cleaning of residue from stickers etcetera.
Meguiar's Protectant as a last step.
You left out
HCF - Halt and Catch Fire
Larry
JGL - Jump and Get Lost
BFN - Branch for No Reason
SIT - Shift if Tuesday
RUB - Rotate Until Barf
SFR - Set Flags at Random
NMO - Non Maskable Overrun
DAC - Divide and Conquer
LMB - Logical Maybe
EBS - Emit Burning Smell
LCM - Loop Clear all Memory
and one of my all-time favorites
POF - Power On Fail
Cheers
John
I am working for some time now to get RTE-6/VM to run on simh.
Note that this software is meanwhile available for free from HP,
see image
Z00701
RTE_6 Z007
RTE-6 RELEASE 6.2 FROM HP
in Interex RTE/CSL archive 4030 at
http://www.interex.org/tech/csl/RTE/submits4030.html (last contribution in list)
What I need is a 1:1 disk dump of a bootable RTE-6/VM system (should be LU 2)
to further debug the simulator. This might be produced by dumping the raw disk
image into a HP1000 record (FMGR) file and then transferring this file via
kermit to another host. This might result in a file that still has the common
HP record separators in it, but I can remove such markup.
A so-called grandfather system might be useful, but a working RTE where the above
upgrade may by installed is probably usable as well.
Anyone to help me with this?
Thanks in advance
Holger
I have a couple questions about ebay/paypal, and figured some folks on the
list here might know the "straight scoop".
1) If some seller sets up an auction as private (yet it still shows up on
the listings) - the deal is that no one can see who bid on it, or who is
currently the high bidder. In this set up, how can I be sure the seller
isn't bidding on his own auction to drive up the price? He's taunting me I
bet demmit! heh
2) Hypothetically, say I sell an item on Ebay for... oh... $2500.00. The guy
could pay me via paypal, or he could send me a cashiers check. Does Paypal
report transactions to the IRS? Or more importantly, if I sell items on ebay
all year... do I have to track all that and report to IRS? Never really
thought of it cause it probably isn't much money anyways. But I am curious
if ebay and/or paypal reports to the IRS.
Jay West
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On Nov 13, 0:29, Eric Smith wrote:
> > Notice to all: I'm claiming an extra geek point because this entire
> > message
> > makes perfect sense to me. --Patrick
>
> OK, then I claim two extra geek points for having written it.
Then I get three because I understood it, and can think of processors
that do it -- and a few more because I've not only got some (MIPS
R4600, R5K and R10K) but I know how to tell them what the best guess is
(they have forms of branch instruction that can be tagged in assembler
as "likely" or "not likely", to modify the internal branch prediction
mechanism).
The Pentium can do speculative execution as well, and one version even
did a fetch of both branches, but only a pre-fetch, not execution.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> On a more serious note, many state-of-the-art processors do sort of
> implement "branch both ways" in the sense that they do speculative
> execution of both paths then discard the results on one path once the
> condition is resolved. A limited form of speculative execution was
> used by the IBM 7030 Data Processing System (AKA "Stretch"), introduced
> in 1961. I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative
> execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before
> 12-nov-1993).
>
> Eric
Eric,
If I'm not mistaken - this approach was used in later Burroughs hardware, like
the B6800, B6900, B4900 series machines (late 70's early 80's.) I would
imagine the IBM 360/91 also did this.
Steve Wilson
(Burroughs Alum)
I just saw TRON again last night... Very cool movie IMHO. In the
beginning of the movie it looks like Flynn is using an Apple computer to
hack into ENCOM.
There is also a scene where the heros are running through a huge room filled
with mainframes. Does anyone know if these were real mainframes and if so,
what kind are they?
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
While scouring the web for leads on classic computers,
I came across a VERY interesing listing of items for
sale, to wit:
MINUTEMAN DIGITAL COMPUTER.
General purpose synchronous, serial, digital computer
originally used to solve inertial guidance problems.
Mag disc memory 2688 words of 27 bits each. Clock
speed 345.6K/sec. Pwr: 28V DC, and 115V, 3 Ph, 400 Hz.
Mfr: Autonetics.
DATA PROCESSOR.
Includes tape reader, punch, and display.
Mfr: Control Data 8090.
DIGITAL COMPUTER.
Cabinet mounted with memory core, and operating panel.
Pwr: 115V, 60 Hz. Mfr: Digital Equipment.
PDP-5.
What I wanted was the PDP-5. I called these guys up,
identified myself as a vintage PC collector, and
and spoke to a gentleman named Doyle. Unfortunately,
the PDP-5 has been sold. I inquired about the 8090,
but Doyle didn't know immediately whether they still
had it, and I wasn't prepared to make a serious offer
for it. The 8090 is a variant or derivative of the
CDC 160A, but that is all I know about it.
Anyhow, here is the info for anyone who is interested:
Radio Research Instrument Co., Inc.
584 N. Main St.
Waterbury, CT 06704
USA
Tel: 203-753-5840
Fax: 203-754-2567
http://www.radioresearch.thomasregister.com
Look under "Test Equipment/Computers".
Their primary line of business is secondary-market
sales and service of military-grade radar equipment.
Some of the stuff listed on their website is wild,
and I'm sure you've got to have the approval of a few
federal agencies to buy it...
--Bill
I agree, I thought it is on of the best and easiest to learn/teach
concepts of machine instructions.
We have a school here (Orem Utah) for the disabled that uses Apple IIs.
They usually use a couple packages that use point/click to get
a response. Using ECHO+ speach to talk and special touch pads
for the kids.
I'll have to ask it they could use the software.
Keven Miller
kevenm(a)reeltapetransfer.com
hello
I have an early Radio Shack TRS80 L1 computer. I bought it new in the
late seventies. I got it out of storage the other day to show my
students and found that the horiziontal synch wasn't working. I am
looking for a schematic to fix . Can you help me out?
Stan Smith
Sir Sandford Fleming College
Peterborough Ontario
Canada
I'd love to help but C is not one of my skills. Does anyone have
info about how to get simh to get
some flavor of TSB working?
Jay, I REALLY look forward to giving your emulator a spin when it's ready!
-Bob
>Simh is one emulator that supposedly has some version of TSB mostly
>functioning.
>
>I am working on an emulator specifically for TSB... but mine is about 6
>months away from beta release. But if I could find some good unix C
>programmers to help, it would be faster :)
>
>Jay
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Brown" <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us>
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:32 AM
>Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? was: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73
>
>
> > What steps are needed to get some semblance of hp 2000 tsb (either
> > 2000F or ACCESS or whatever) running in an emulator?
> > I've been looking and hoping for something like this for a LONG time.
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > > > "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote:
> > > > What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator.
> > > > I've found Jeff Moffat's but not tried it yet. Is there anything
>else
> > > > I should look for?
> > >
> > >SIMH. If you run two instances of SIMH, you can actually run
> > >HP 2000F TSB. It doesn't run perfectly, so there are still some
> > >bugs to be exorcised. And it won't yet run HP 2000 Access.
> >
> > bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
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> >
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Hi everybody:
> So who has info on how to get some form of hp TSB running on simh?
>
> -Bob
More clearly: Where can we obtain one TSB package ready to run
(with instructions) under SIMH ?
Other software is welcome too.
Cheers
Sergio
> What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator.
Supnik's SIMH has booted 2000TSB.
Actually, 2000 Access. I'm not sure if anyone has gotten the
earlier versions to work.
>Any 5.25 media that isn't HD is almost impossible to find nowdays, for
>those of us who still dabble in the 8 bit world.
They can't be that valuable... I threw out close to 5000 DS/DD 5.25 disks
because I couldn't get enough people willing to take them.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I've got a Kalok hard drive on an ISA card available. Its marked as a
Kalok KL330 on the drive, and the card assembly is marked as a CARD30R.
It should be a 32 MB drive.
I'm nearly 100% positive that this drive does NOT work. But if anyone
wants it to play with, its available. Just cover shipping costs from
07450 (its somewhat heavy, so figure on 2 or 3 lbs packed).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I found a box of these boards at a scrap place. I have ten boards, two
backplanes, and a bus extender. I don't exactly know what these are,
however. The connectors are "eurocard" style (I think that's what they
are called), they look similar to Macintosh NUBUS connectors. I don't
really know much about them other than what components are on the
boards.
The boards:
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_boards.jpg
CPU board: GESMPU-4B
It uses a Motorola MC68000FN8, some PLA's, two 27128's, and a 1488/1486
driver pair. It has a twenty pin IDC header on the edge of it, and two
pushbuttons, one red and one black. It also has a five pin header, and
two LED's.
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_cpu.jpg
Parallel board: GESPIA-2A
It has two MC6821P's on it, and two twenty six pin IDC headers on the
edge.
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_pia.jpg
Serial board: GESSIO-1E
It has two 6850's. It also has two sockets for a 1488/1489 driver pair,
but the chips are missing, with a post-it in the package, with "MC1488P
MC1489P" written on it, as if someone borrowed the chips, and left a
note. There are two twenty pin headers on the edge.
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_serial.jpg
INC board (whatever that is...): GESINC-1
A bunch of TTL logic, some PLA's, a 34 pin IDC header, a ten pin IDC
header, and another one of those five pin headers like on the CPU board.
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_inc.jpg
RAM board: GESRAM-4B
18 TMS4256-12NL DRAMs and a bunch of logic chips.
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_ram.jpg
I also have a bus extender card. It's just a board with a connector on
both ends, and a jumper block to select which signals are connected.
http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_extender.jpg
Anyone know what these boards are for? What kind of a computer might
these have come from? I probably have enough parts to create a working
computer, but I'll need to figure out how to connect a storage device,
and find some bootable media. Two of the three CPU cards have two NVRAM
chips on them, the other one has two ROM chips in it's place, so I'm
worried that the NVRAM might have become slightly more V over time, so
I don't know if I could get them to work. I have three CPU boards, two
parallel boards, two serial boards, two INC boards, and one RAM board.
I also have two backplanes and the bus extender. The backplanes are
labeled with the proper voltages, so powering it shouldn't be a
problem, the problem will be figuring out what the pinouts of the
serial ports are, etc. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
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Ah yes. I just built a new (by new I mean new use for an old box) WINS
NT4 server box.
Next year is the Active Directory conversion project, God save us all.
This year, I did the migrating from Novell 4.11 to Windows 2000 (in an
NT4 domain) project.
I'd rather have migrated it all to Novell 6, but, believe it or not,
Microsoft was cheaper....
...of course, if I *really* had my way, I'd convert all the Windows
servers to Samba 3.0 I can dream, right?
Take Care,
mark
Rob O'Donnell wrote:
> As a techie responsible for supporting a number of small businesses, I
> can confirm this - while we have a few who run fairly recent versions
> of Windows Server on modern kit, I can count at least as many whose
> entire business still runs off machines which are almost on topic for
> this list. Certainly we've lots of NT4 Server systems out there, some
> even running on P1 boxes.
>
By the time this happens, I'll hav switched my home network to LindowsOS.
I'm already tired of the Microshaft - Intel straightjacket monopoly, and
will be quite concerned for the networking world (including the internet),
when their vaunted "M03" technology is fully deployed. I've already drifted
my hardware away from Intel, and am currently seeking applications to run
under a Linux environment. Its not a hard thing to do, and if enough of us
do it, maybe Microshaft will finally learn some lessons. "Upgrade" or
evacuate? Your call...
Go AMD!
Go DDR!
Go LindowsOS!
Cheers...
Ed Tillman
Store Automation Tech Support Specialist
Valero Energy Corporation
San Antonio, Texas, USA
Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048
Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com>
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From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:01 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Server flood soon
Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in January, and what I am
hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the
door.
I have a Cromemco C-10 that works great. Dual floppy drives and the SP
software package are there as well.
The item I would like to add is the pedestal for the monitor. It is made
of dark brown plastic.
Cromemco touted it in the early '80s as 'ergonomic' before the word was cool.
Anyone know of a Cromemco resource where I might find the pedestal?
Ed
Vancouver, WA
Did you know that our beloved CFX-40 had a starring role in a movie?! Either
did I, until I was channel surfing the other day, and lo and behold there it
was, shown in glorious full-screen detail no less!
The CFX-40 actually seems to have quite a pivotal role, it appears in several
scenes throughout (including the opening scene), but is featured most
predominantly in one scene where it is used to help captive warriors escape
>from the clutches of an evil king and his barbarian henchmen.
You read that right, in this movie, a CFX-40 is clearly being worn by what
appears to be a primitive warrior wielding a sword. <g> The watch is even
shown close-up as he uses it to reflect the sun into the evil king's eyes,
blinding him. In the confusion the king is stabbed to death by a bikini clad
warrior princess, initiating a fight by which the warriors escape.
OK, enough suspense:
The movie is "Gor" <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095241>, which was produced
in 1987, based on the 1966 book "Tarnsman of Gor" by John Norman (a
pseudonym for Professor John Lange)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0759200548>. I never read the book,
but I don't believe the watch is featured there. <g>
Beware, this movie is probably one of the worst you'll ever see, even by
MST3K standards <http://www.mst3k.com>. However it does feature warrior women
in leather bikinis <g>, and if you're a fan of the CFX-40, I'd say it's a
"must-see". Scott.
PS: There is apparently a sequel called "Outlaw of Gor", but I haven't seen
it and don't know if the CFX-40 appears in that one as well.
>From: "ben franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
>
>Hans Franke wrote:
>
>> Now, beeing a 6502 Geek from the beginning and a long
>> time 8086 assembly programmer, I can't realy follow
>> that. The 8086 is in my eyes one of the finest designs
>> around. What I realy dislike is the Z80 ... if there
>> was ever a CPU with an instruction set designed using
>> a random number generator, it's the Z80!
>
>I dislike them both, but both CPU's have the 8080 as the
>founding father. As a 16 bit CPU the 8086 is great,it
>is/was the stupid memory management that they used was
>the killer for me.
>
Hi
I always thought the 6800 was the best thought out
instruction set for a 8 bitter.
Dwight
>
>
>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk
>
>> 5) Multitech MPF-1B or MPF-1P "Micro Professor". Why? Because it folds up
>> like a book - I know of no other computer like that.
>
>Not really. It's in a book-shaped case, but the signle-board computer
>takes up one half, the other half is empty. Option boards (there's a
>printer, EPROM programmer, Speech synthesiser, I/O option, etc) fit in
>the other half, but then you can't close up the case....
>
>> Items not necessarily in that order of course. I can probably fix a SYM1 and
>> I would actually prefer a SYM - ISTR they didn't use mask programmed 6530
>> (6532?) chips, unlike the MOS KIM. The AIM65 is, IMHO, pretty neat. I like
>
>Must be the 6530. The 6532 is a RIOT (RAM, I/O, Timer) and AFAIK has no
>mask-programming options.
Hi
There are a number of similar things between the 6530 and 6532, other
than the ROM in the 6530. Still, you can't just replace all 6530's
with a EPROM and a 6532 because some of the level inversions and
address selects are mask selected in the 6530. I've not looked
into the one on the kim but for those that have blown 6530's,
one may still be able to make a board using a 6532/EPROM and a
little glue logic.
I have a Gottlieb pinball machine that this is not as easy to do
because of signal inversions.
Dwight
>
>> the 6502 - what can you expect from someone who grew up using BBC Micros? :)
>> At least the 6502 is a bit more logical than, say, the x86 >shudder<.
>
>Err, I'm a 6809er....
>
>-tony
>
wanted info on the 1920's televox robot project at Westinghouse... just
thought I would ask incase one of you remembers seeing anything on this or
has any old documentation..... yea already did the google and the
Westinghouse thing!
Thanks!
Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC