- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Paul Thompson wrote: > Yes, it does. A kernel setting and some user commands: > > llogin (vms: set host/lat) Llogin is indeed "outbound LAT"; the system comes with a LAT service (inbound conns) as well: (kebab)~$ uname -a OSF1 kebab V5.1 2650 alpha alpha (kebab)~$ llogin -d Learned Services: Service Name Node Rating Identification C_ANDREW DS-VAXCON 255 Console MicroVAX 3400 C_DAWN DS-VAXCON 90 Console VAXserver 3100 SCSI C_IS1000T_1 DS-VAXCON 255 Console InfoTower 1000 #1 C_IS150_1 DS300-1 255 Console IS150_1 C_TARA DS-VAXCON 255 Console VAX 4700A C_TWINS DS300-1 255 Console MicroVAX 3300 C_UNIBUS DS300-1 90 Console VAXserver 3100 C_VAXLAB DS300-1 255 Console VAX 4100A C_WILLOW DS-VAXCON 255 Console VAX 4505A C_XANDER DS-VAXCON 90 Console MicroVAX 3800 GW GW 5 Cisco LAT GW INFOSERVER INFOSERVER 255 VAXlab IS1000 IS150VXT_1 IS150VXT_1 255 IS150VXT voor Test KEBAB KEBAB 19 Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B LAT SERVICE MIPSFAIR MIPSFAIR 0 DEC OSF/1 Version 2.0 LAT SERVICE MODEM DS200-2 255 Courier I-Modem OMNIBUS DS200-2 90 Test Omni (kebab)~$ > ccr (ncp connect node), CCR is part of MOP (MOP Remote Console), not LAT, but OK. Its there, too, yes. --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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DEC OSF/1 V2.0 on DECstation :) (MIPS)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, OK. Yes, it *is* there. And running. I managed to install a fairly weird tape kit containing V2.0 BL8 of DEC's OSF/1 UNIX offering for their MIPS-based "DECstation" line of systems. It actually runs pretty good. Even on a very small machine (the first test system was a DS2100 (12.5MHz R2000 with 24MB ;-) it works fine. Even LAT works like a charm :) I can see why they didnt release this one, though.. it is quite raw, unfinished in many areas (I had to really work and tweak stuff before I got a prompt..) and they obviously never intended this to work on serial-console systems :) But.. yay. It works, now. Just for the record: ----------------------------------------------------------------- (vaxlab)$ telnet mipsfair Trying 10.0.11.89... Connected to mipsfair. Escape character is '^]'. OSF/1 (mipsfair) (ttyp0) login: root Password: DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8 (Rev. 155); Sun Nov 14 21:45:24 MET 1999 DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8.1 Worksystem Software (Rev. 133) The installation software has successfully installed your system. There are logfiles which contain a record of your installation. These are: /var/adm/smlogs/install.log - general log file /var/adm/smlogs/it.log - log for it(8) utility /var/adm/smlogs/install.FS.log - file system creation logs /var/adm/smlogs/setld.log - log for the setld(8) utility /var/adm/smlogs/fverify.log - verification log file # uname -a OSF1 mipsfair 2.0 2.0 mips # ----------------------------------------------------------------- For those who would like to play with it, contact me off-list. If you happen to have OSF stuff lying around [*and* know where to find it *evil smile*..] drop me a line, please! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 4 months

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more talking to the press

by stevew＠ka6s.com

I wrote: > I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative > execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before > 12-nov-1993). Well - how about the IBM 360/91 - and I imagine the Burroughs high-end stuff did as well. I'm pretty sure the B4900 did, which suggests the B6900 probably did the same. These are circa 1980. Steve Wilson (Burroughs Alum)

22 years, 4 months

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8086 (was Re: more talking to the press.)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 17:28, Tom Jennings wrote: > All criticisms are correct, my only defense is that it was 'for > illustration purposes only' (sic). > > But it also proves a point, no code is 'temporary', kludges last forever > to embarrass their authors and all code needs documentation :-) I can only use one "word" to follow that up: IEFBR14 -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Compiler optimization (was: 8086 (was Re: more talking to the

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 20:23, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > Oh, I used the IRIX cc compiler. I found it to be a much nicer ANSI C > compiler than GCC, and with full warnings would tell you which section of > ANSI C (chapter and verse) which might cause a problem. If I'm using IRIX, > I would rather use the IRIX cc than gcc. Unfortunately, it now costs an arm > and a leg (then too!) Yes, more's the pity. Unless you're running a really old version of IRIX, like 5.3, in which case you can download the IDO for free, these days, so long as you don't mind it not having some of the libraries that we tend to take for granted these days. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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Compiler optimization (was: 8086 (was Re: more talking to the

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 16:48, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > I know the IRIX C compiler can do global optimizations but that takes > quite a bit of time and processing power; I never bothered with it when I > was programming under IRIX. And this was at least 10 years ago so it's > margially on topic here 8-P Maybe you should have. About 1996, I did a project during which (as a side-effect) I spent a while looking at compiler output, and comparing gcc to IRIX cc. In all the cases I tried, cc took about the same time to compile as gcc, but produced faster (and often smaller) code. That's not too surprising, really. For one thing, cc used a bigger optimisation window. For another, it's written by a bunch of people who are very close to the processor it's written for, and they didn't have to worry about whether anything would work with some other architecture; they could (and did) do extensive re-ordering of instructions. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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DECconnect MMJ plugs

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, Now that I'm doing nothing anyway, might as well pester y'all with a question. Its offtopic, so there. I am blessed with many feet of DECconnect cable (ya know, the flat serial cables DEC used) and most of that cable is crimped with one MMJ, and one RJ45 - probably cables going to RJ45 wall sockets. Obviously, I want to get rid of the RJ45's, soo.. where does one order a bag (250-500) of these MMJs these days? I have the right tools for it, just not the MMJs - used to have them a long time ago, but that supply didnt last forever ... If anyone knows a source, preferrably in Europe, that would be great! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 4 months

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What to do with a fully functional Apple IIGS besides play Oregon Trail

by brc138＠psu.edu

My family has a fully functional Apple IIGS computer purchased in 1984 or 1985 I believe. It has a 5.25" and two 3.5" daisy chained drives, printer, keyboard and mouse, joystick, and lots of software (old games) for it. Is it of any value or interest to anyone? Anybody know a way to electronically transfer old documents from the word processor programs of that day to modern Word format - or is my best option to print and scan anything of significance? Benjamin R. Campbell Assistant Research Engineer Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center 77 Glade Drive Kittanning, PA 16201 email: <mailto:brc138@psu.edu> brc138(a)psu.edu work: 724-543-0266 cel: 412-877-0072 fax: 724-545-9797 <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/bcampbell/Application%20Data/Microsof t/Signatures/www.electro-optics.org> www.electro-optics.org

22 years, 4 months

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Fairchild MB8116E == 4116 ?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Is a Fairchild MB8116E the same as a standard 16kx1 4116 dynamic RAM? Does anyone have a bunch (80 or more) that they would be willing to part with? I need to populate the 2nd half of a memory board. --tom

22 years, 4 months

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TREK73 and Star Traders

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 12:58, Al Kossow wrote: > > both appear to be on > 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap [...] > 12% fgrep TREK73 * > Binary file 00316 matches [...] > 13% strings *316*|more > ------------------------------------ 00316 ------------------------------------- > TREK > $R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO > R *** IN A100 *** > R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION > R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON > R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460 > R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY*** > )HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ] This is a later version, not the original. I'm sort of glad about that, because I was halfway through retyping the last part (of about 50 pages) when my email client beeped and I read this ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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BIGMES

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 13:06, Al Kossow wrote: > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/BIGMES.PTP The URL is actually http://www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/bigmes.txt > from Doug Quebbeman, copied on the last cross country > road trip that I made. Doug gave me a copy a while ago, it's been at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/startrek/ for a while. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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Apple Lisa 1

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

Whats an apple lisa 1 worth with twiggy drives? Somebody has one on ebay (2763806974 ) bid at $3,250 (reserve not met) and 3+ days left to go.

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more talking to the press.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 5:35, Eric Smith wrote: > There's no challenge in naming a few parts that have speculative > execution. No, I suppose there isn't, assuming one knows what the term means at all, because it's common in modern processors. > However, I may have been a bit hasty. Although I don't think the > R4600 was out at that time, after thinking about it some more it > occurs to me that some earlier R4K series parts may have had > speculative execution, and probably the DEC Alpha (20164). I don't know much about the inner workings of Alphas, so I didn't mention it. Nor do I know all that much about the inner workings of R4K prior to the R4600, except that I know an R4600 will outstrip an R4400 at the same clock speed (modulo cache differences) and an R4400 will outdo an R4000 by a fair bit. In fact, the earliest R4000 chips were embarrassingly slow. I don't think R3000 or R4000 had speculative execution, but I'm not absolutely sure. > > I meant the Pentium family. > > Is there really a Pentium family? Aside from the Pentium Pro, > Pentium II, and Pentium 3, which use similar cores, there seems to be > little microarchitectural similarity between parts for which Intel uses > the "Pentium" name. For instance, there seems to be more similarity > between the i486 and Pentium cores than between the Pentium III and > Pentium IV cores, despite the fact that the Pentium was superscalar > and the i486 was not. I'm sure you're right. I've almost deliberately avoided knowing too much about Intel chips post-8085, except to find out what MMX really does, and discovering along the way that Intel do seem to have changed their minds a few times. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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BIGMES

by aek＠spies.com

www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/BIGMES.PTP >from Doug Quebbeman, copied on the last cross country road trip that I made.

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TREK73 and Star Traders

by aek＠spies.com

both appear to be on 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap I think Eric has already written a program to convert back >from TSB packed form to text. 247% fgrep "TRADERS" * Binary file 00313 matches Binary file 00314 matches Binary file 01780 matches Binary file 01781 matches 12% fgrep TREK73 * Binary file 00316 matches Binary file 00384 matches Binary file 00387 matches Binary file 00993 matches Binary file 00994 matches Binary file 00995 matches Binary file 00996 matches Binary file 00997 matches Binary file 00998 matches Binary file 00999 matches Binary file 01000 matches Binary file 01001 matches Binary file 01002 matches Binary file 01003 matches Binary file 01004 matches Binary file 01006 matches Binary file 01007 matches Binary file 01008 matches Binary file 01009 matches Binary file 01022 matches Binary file 01024 matches Binary file 01025 matches Binary file 01027 matches Binary file 01028 matches Binary file 01029 matches Binary file 01030 matches Binary file 01031 matches Binary file 01032 matches Binary file 01033 matches Binary file 01034 matches 13% strings *316*|more ------------------------------------ 00316 ------------------------------------- TREK $R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO R *** IN A100 *** R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460 R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY*** )HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ] CAPTAIN: MY LAST NAME IS : MY SEX IS MISS FAIRY FRUIT ' I'M EXPECTING [1-9] ENEMY VESSELS. UHURA: ,, STARFLEET COMMAND REPORTS THAT IT CAN ONLY BE FROM 1 TO 9. TRY AGAIN. 4: CORRECT, LIEUTENANT--JUST TESTING YOUR ATTENTION.

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Fwd: Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

This computer is located in Macau, adjacent to Hong Kong. It wasn't clear to me if the owner expected to be paid, or if he just wanted someone to pick it up. Six attachment JPGs of sales literature available on request to me via private email. Looks like a 160 kg desk with a monitor, keyboard, integrated 132 column printer, and two 240K 8" drives. The literature claims an 8-bit LSI CPU, about 8K words RAM. - John >From: "CyberMe" <cyberme(a)macau.ctm.net> >To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >Subject: Historical Computer - Collector Item >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:54:37 +0800 > >I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its original catalogs for your easy reference. > >Awaiting your soonest reply. > >Thanks and best regards, >Monte

22 years, 4 months

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

> I'm 99% sure I have the microcode roms for RTE-6 I have them as well. I should have a grandfather tape or two around also. Jay, have you ever seen any documentation of what the added instructions do? I turned up some docs from Sam on RTE4, and at that time they were MMU related and may have included queue and some of the OS scheduler.

22 years, 4 months

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Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator

by brc138＠psu.edu

I found a post online that you once had a Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator (http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-January/007249.html) I have a mainframe that needs one. do you still have it? Benjamin R. Campbell 5332 Hardt Road Gibsonia, PA 15044-9114 home: 724-443-0022 cel: 412-877-0072 email: brc138(a)psu.edu www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/r/brc138/ Assistant Research Engineer Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center 77 Glade Drive Kittanning, PA 16201 work: 724-543-0266 fax: 724-545-9797 www.electro-optics.org "One should not pursue goals that are easily achieved. One must develop an instinct for what one can just barely achieve through one's greatest efforts." - Albert Einstein

22 years, 4 months

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more talking to the press.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 13, 21:48, Eric Smith wrote: > Peter Turnbull wrote: > > Then I get three because I understood it, and can think of processors > > that do it -- and a few more because I've not only got some (MIPS > > R4600, R5K and R10K) > > None of which were available in November 1993. And having used the > R4600 quite a bit in 1996, I'm fairly sure that it did *not* have > speculative execution. I thought the R4600 was, though maybe it was early 1994, but actually I wasn't claiming any particular date -- just that they do speculative execution. > > The Pentium can do speculative execution as well, > > The Pentium was superscalar, but did not do speculative execution. > SE was introduced with the Pentium Pro, which was not introduced until > 1995. I meant the Pentium family. Yes, I knew the Pentium Pro was the first -- and it didn't work all that well so Intel changed the branch prediction algorithm for the Pentium II. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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Fwd: Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

This computer is located in Macau, adjacent to Hong Kong. It wasn't clear to me if the owner expected to be paid, or if he just wanted someone to pick it up. Six attachment JPGs of sales literature available on request to me via private email. Looks like a 160 kg desk with a monitor, keyboard, integrated 132 column printer, and two 240K 8" drives. The literature claims an 8-bit LSI CPU, about 8K words RAM. - John >From: "CyberMe" <cyberme(a)macau.ctm.net> >To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >Subject: Historical Computer - Collector Item >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:54:37 +0800 > >I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its original catalogs for your easy reference. > >Awaiting your soonest reply. > >Thanks and best regards, >Monte

22 years, 4 months

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Apple II gs Disk help needed

by cmcnabb＠4mcnabb.net

We received a letter (on real paper, envelope and all) here at Virginia Tech yesterday from an elderly couple who need some help converting from old 5.25" floppies to somewhat less old 3.5" floppies. The letter was address to the "Computer Department" but for some strange reason it ended up in my cube. Other than plugging a few cables into the new G-5 Cluster, I have no experience at all with Apple stuff. If any one on the list can help these folks out, I'm sure they would appreciate it. Here is the text of the letter: -----------------------------------cut------------------------------------ 213 Heady Avenue Louisville, Ky 40207 10 November 2003 To the Computer Department Virginia Polytechnic Institute Blacksburg, VA Dear Computer Genius(es), Can you help us? This is a serious request. We have an old Apple II c or gs word processor (old = 1985).(We are also old, 65 & 70.) We have important data on about 30 5.25" full floppy disks from it, which we are trying to "CONVERT" to the newer 3.5 disks. It would take years to retype it all. We need all kinds of "exact" help - people have been "trying" to help us and we can't get anywhere, i.e., we have an antique and expensive Apple II 3.5 disk drive bought from a reseller. Now we are having trouble finding the old single sided 800 KB 3.5 disks we believe it takes. IF we find those disks, we need to know the process for transferring the data. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE COMPUTER DEPARTMENT WHO REMEMBERS HOW TO DO THIS ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY - and where we can by the SS 800 KB disks - and could they please help us with simple step instructions? Our e-mail can be used to send instructions (simple, please) dkelly(a)worldnet.att.net We would be very gratefully if anyone can help. Thanks for reading. Sincerely, (s) Dave and Wanda Kelly Dave and Wanda Kelly ---------------------------------cut------------------------------------- So, it looks like they need a source of disks and some instructions on how to copy the files. If any one can help them out please send them email direct to the address in the letter.

22 years, 4 months

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Yellowed computer parts

by rhahm＠nycap.rr.com

Here is what I use: For mild/moderate cleaning Simple Green works great. For heavy yellowing I use Purple Power which removes a lot of, but not all, of the yellowing (careful this can discolor metal). I use both with the Black and Decker Versa Pac rotary scrub brush with the soft brush attachment, if the case is removable, in the sink or driveway with a hose. Simple Green diluted 1:1 with water with a rag and Q-tips for cleaning the keyboard and parts of the computer near elecrical components that can't be hosed down or put in the sink as in step one. Goo-Be-Gone for spot cleaning of residue from stickers etcetera. Meguiar's Protectant as a last step.

22 years, 4 months

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more talking to the press.

by larry＠laurelnet.com

You left out HCF - Halt and Catch Fire Larry JGL - Jump and Get Lost BFN - Branch for No Reason SIT - Shift if Tuesday RUB - Rotate Until Barf SFR - Set Flags at Random NMO - Non Maskable Overrun DAC - Divide and Conquer LMB - Logical Maybe EBS - Emit Burning Smell LCM - Loop Clear all Memory and one of my all-time favorites POF - Power On Fail Cheers John

22 years, 4 months

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Service Source Manuals

by branard＠bellsouth.net

Thanks for posting these. However, I did not see my Mac listed, the 9600. Is it available? What a service you provide us old Mac users.

22 years, 4 months

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by holger.veit＠ais.fhg.de

I am working for some time now to get RTE-6/VM to run on simh. Note that this software is meanwhile available for free from HP, see image Z00701 RTE_6 Z007 RTE-6 RELEASE 6.2 FROM HP in Interex RTE/CSL archive 4030 at http://www.interex.org/tech/csl/RTE/submits4030.html (last contribution in list) What I need is a 1:1 disk dump of a bootable RTE-6/VM system (should be LU 2) to further debug the simulator. This might be produced by dumping the raw disk image into a HP1000 record (FMGR) file and then transferring this file via kermit to another host. This might result in a file that still has the common HP record separators in it, but I can remove such markup. A so-called grandfather system might be useful, but a working RTE where the above upgrade may by installed is probably usable as well. Anyone to help me with this? Thanks in advance Holger

22 years, 4 months

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ebay question

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a couple questions about ebay/paypal, and figured some folks on the list here might know the "straight scoop". 1) If some seller sets up an auction as private (yet it still shows up on the listings) - the deal is that no one can see who bid on it, or who is currently the high bidder. In this set up, how can I be sure the seller isn't bidding on his own auction to drive up the price? He's taunting me I bet demmit! heh 2) Hypothetically, say I sell an item on Ebay for... oh... $2500.00. The guy could pay me via paypal, or he could send me a cashiers check. Does Paypal report transactions to the IRS? Or more importantly, if I sell items on ebay all year... do I have to track all that and report to IRS? Never really thought of it cause it probably isn't much money anyways. But I am curious if ebay and/or paypal reports to the IRS. Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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more talking to the press.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 13, 0:29, Eric Smith wrote: > > Notice to all: I'm claiming an extra geek point because this entire > > message > > makes perfect sense to me. --Patrick > > OK, then I claim two extra geek points for having written it. Then I get three because I understood it, and can think of processors that do it -- and a few more because I've not only got some (MIPS R4600, R5K and R10K) but I know how to tell them what the best guess is (they have forms of branch instruction that can be tagged in assembler as "likely" or "not likely", to modify the internal branch prediction mechanism). The Pentium can do speculative execution as well, and one version even did a fetch of both branches, but only a pre-fetch, not execution. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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cctalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 28

by stevew＠ka6s.com

> On a more serious note, many state-of-the-art processors do sort of > implement "branch both ways" in the sense that they do speculative > execution of both paths then discard the results on one path once the > condition is resolved. A limited form of speculative execution was > used by the IBM 7030 Data Processing System (AKA "Stretch"), introduced > in 1961. I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative > execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before > 12-nov-1993). > > Eric Eric, If I'm not mistaken - this approach was used in later Burroughs hardware, like the B6800, B6900, B4900 series machines (late 70's early 80's.) I would imagine the IBM 360/91 also did this. Steve Wilson (Burroughs Alum)

22 years, 4 months

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about:the pdp-11 rsx-11m system manual

by CHENJ＠csmc.com.cn

Hell: I got the information from the internet that you have the manual,So I 'd like konw how can I get it.

22 years, 4 months

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TRON...

by bpope＠wordstock.com

I just saw TRON again last night... Very cool movie IMHO. In the beginning of the movie it looks like Flynn is using an Apple computer to hack into ENCOM. There is also a scene where the heros are running through a huge room filled with mainframes. Does anyone know if these were real mainframes and if so, what kind are they? Cheers, Bryan Pope

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Seriously old computers: Radio Research Instrument Co.

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

While scouring the web for leads on classic computers, I came across a VERY interesing listing of items for sale, to wit: MINUTEMAN DIGITAL COMPUTER. General purpose synchronous, serial, digital computer originally used to solve inertial guidance problems. Mag disc memory 2688 words of 27 bits each. Clock speed 345.6K/sec. Pwr: 28V DC, and 115V, 3 Ph, 400 Hz. Mfr: Autonetics. DATA PROCESSOR. Includes tape reader, punch, and display. Mfr: Control Data 8090. DIGITAL COMPUTER. Cabinet mounted with memory core, and operating panel. Pwr: 115V, 60 Hz. Mfr: Digital Equipment. PDP-5. What I wanted was the PDP-5. I called these guys up, identified myself as a vintage PC collector, and and spoke to a gentleman named Doyle. Unfortunately, the PDP-5 has been sold. I inquired about the 8090, but Doyle didn't know immediately whether they still had it, and I wasn't prepared to make a serious offer for it. The 8090 is a variant or derivative of the CDC 160A, but that is all I know about it. Anyhow, here is the info for anyone who is interested: Radio Research Instrument Co., Inc. 584 N. Main St. Waterbury, CT 06704 USA Tel: 203-753-5840 Fax: 203-754-2567 http://www.radioresearch.thomasregister.com Look under "Test Equipment/Computers". Their primary line of business is secondary-market sales and service of military-grade radar equipment. Some of the stuff listed on their website is wild, and I'm sure you've got to have the approval of a few federal agencies to buy it... --Bill

22 years, 4 months

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Any schools with Apple ][s need brand new software???

by KevenM＠exegesys.com

I agree, I thought it is on of the best and easiest to learn/teach concepts of machine instructions. We have a school here (Orem Utah) for the disabled that uses Apple IIs. They usually use a couple packages that use point/click to get a response. Using ECHO+ speach to talk and special touch pads for the kids. I'll have to ask it they could use the software. Keven Miller kevenm(a)reeltapetransfer.com

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Schematic of TRS80 L1

by STSMITH＠flemingc.on.ca

hello I have an early Radio Shack TRS80 L1 computer. I bought it new in the late seventies. I got it out of storage the other day to show my students and found that the horiziontal synch wasn't working. I am looking for a schematic to fix . Can you help me out? Stan Smith Sir Sandford Fleming College Peterborough Ontario Canada

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manual for Fluke 8506?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anybody have a manual for the fluke 8056 digital Multimeter that they're willing to part with or make a copy of? Joe

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Executive Suite

by vance＠neurotica.com

Does anyone have the old *old* DOS games Executive Suite lying around? I'm looking for a copy. Peace... Sridhar

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HP 2000 TSB simulated?? was: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by bbrown＠harper.cc.il.us

I'd love to help but C is not one of my skills. Does anyone have info about how to get simh to get some flavor of TSB working? Jay, I REALLY look forward to giving your emulator a spin when it's ready! -Bob >Simh is one emulator that supposedly has some version of TSB mostly >functioning. > >I am working on an emulator specifically for TSB... but mine is about 6 >months away from beta release. But if I could find some good unix C >programmers to help, it would be faster :) > >Jay >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Brown" <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:32 AM >Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? was: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73 > > > > What steps are needed to get some semblance of hp 2000 tsb (either > > 2000F or ACCESS or whatever) running in an emulator? > > I've been looking and hoping for something like this for a LONG time. > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > > > What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator. > > > > I've found Jeff Moffat's but not tried it yet. Is there anything >else > > > > I should look for? > > > > > >SIMH. If you run two instances of SIMH, you can actually run > > >HP 2000F TSB. It doesn't run perfectly, so there are still some > > >bugs to be exorcised. And it won't yet run HP 2000 Access. > > > > bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR > > Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator > > Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace > > > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace

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ZN448E

by phillipmilks＠juno.com

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HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

Hi everybody: > So who has info on how to get some form of hp TSB running on simh? > > -Bob More clearly: Where can we obtain one TSB package ready to run (with instructions) under SIMH ? Other software is welcome too. Cheers Sergio

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HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by aek＠spies.com

> What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator. Supnik's SIMH has booted 2000TSB. Actually, 2000 Access. I'm not sure if anyone has gotten the earlier versions to work.

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Any schools with Apple ][s need brand new software???

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Any 5.25 media that isn't HD is almost impossible to find nowdays, for >those of us who still dabble in the 8 bit world. They can't be that valuable... I threw out close to 5000 DS/DD 5.25 disks because I couldn't get enough people willing to take them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Hard drive on a card

by cb＠mythtech.net

I've got a Kalok hard drive on an ISA card available. Its marked as a Kalok KL330 on the drive, and the card assembly is marked as a CARD30R. It should be a 32 MB drive. I'm nearly 100% positive that this drive does NOT work. But if anyone wants it to play with, its available. Just cover shipping costs from 07450 (its somewhat heavy, so figure on 2 or 3 lbs packed). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone heard of Gespac?

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I found a box of these boards at a scrap place. I have ten boards, two backplanes, and a bus extender. I don't exactly know what these are, however. The connectors are "eurocard" style (I think that's what they are called), they look similar to Macintosh NUBUS connectors. I don't really know much about them other than what components are on the boards. The boards: http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_boards.jpg CPU board: GESMPU-4B It uses a Motorola MC68000FN8, some PLA's, two 27128's, and a 1488/1486 driver pair. It has a twenty pin IDC header on the edge of it, and two pushbuttons, one red and one black. It also has a five pin header, and two LED's. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_cpu.jpg Parallel board: GESPIA-2A It has two MC6821P's on it, and two twenty six pin IDC headers on the edge. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_pia.jpg Serial board: GESSIO-1E It has two 6850's. It also has two sockets for a 1488/1489 driver pair, but the chips are missing, with a post-it in the package, with "MC1488P MC1489P" written on it, as if someone borrowed the chips, and left a note. There are two twenty pin headers on the edge. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_serial.jpg INC board (whatever that is...): GESINC-1 A bunch of TTL logic, some PLA's, a 34 pin IDC header, a ten pin IDC header, and another one of those five pin headers like on the CPU board. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_inc.jpg RAM board: GESRAM-4B 18 TMS4256-12NL DRAMs and a bunch of logic chips. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_ram.jpg I also have a bus extender card. It's just a board with a connector on both ends, and a jumper block to select which signals are connected. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_extender.jpg Anyone know what these boards are for? What kind of a computer might these have come from? I probably have enough parts to create a working computer, but I'll need to figure out how to connect a storage device, and find some bootable media. Two of the three CPU cards have two NVRAM chips on them, the other one has two ROM chips in it's place, so I'm worried that the NVRAM might have become slightly more V over time, so I don't know if I could get them to work. I have three CPU boards, two parallel boards, two serial boards, two INC boards, and one RAM board. I also have two backplanes and the bus extender. The backplanes are labeled with the proper voltages, so powering it shouldn't be a problem, the problem will be figuring out what the pinouts of the serial ports are, etc. Any ideas? Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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IBM Displaywriter

by mark.singer＠gbronline.com

Are you still looking for an IBM Displaywriter to purchase. I have a working one that I have kept in case I needed data stored on disks, but which I would now like to get rid of. If you are no longer interested, do you know who might be? Mark R. Singer 11011 King Street, Suite 150 Overland Park, KS 66210 Tel.: 913-642-3600 Fax: 913-451-1021 E-mail: mark.singer(a)gbronline.com This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are a communication from an attorney and contain CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, which may also be LEGALLY PRIVILEGED and which is intended only for the use of the designated recipient. If the recipient of this e-mail is not the designated recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the designat recipient, you are hereby on notice that you are in possession of private, confidential and/or privileged information. Any dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone (collect to 913-642-3600) or by return e-mail (mark.singer(a)gbronline.com) and promptly delete the original transmission and destroy any materials received. Your cooperation/assistance is appreciated.

22 years, 4 months

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Server flood soon

by pdp11_70＠retrobbs.org

eserve.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20031113131826.06cf7948(a)pop.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes. I just built a new (by new I mean new use for an old box) WINS NT4 server box. Next year is the Active Directory conversion project, God save us all. This year, I did the migrating from Novell 4.11 to Windows 2000 (in an NT4 domain) project. I'd rather have migrated it all to Novell 6, but, believe it or not, Microsoft was cheaper.... ...of course, if I *really* had my way, I'd convert all the Windows servers to Samba 3.0 I can dream, right? Take Care, mark Rob O'Donnell wrote: > As a techie responsible for supporting a number of small businesses, I > can confirm this - while we have a few who run fairly recent versions > of Windows Server on modern kit, I can count at least as many whose > entire business still runs off machines which are almost on topic for > this list. Certainly we've lots of NT4 Server systems out there, some > even running on P1 boxes. >

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Server flood soon

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

By the time this happens, I'll hav switched my home network to LindowsOS. I'm already tired of the Microshaft - Intel straightjacket monopoly, and will be quite concerned for the networking world (including the internet), when their vaunted "M03" technology is fully deployed. I've already drifted my hardware away from Intel, and am currently seeking applications to run under a Linux environment. Its not a hard thing to do, and if enough of us do it, maybe Microshaft will finally learn some lessons. "Upgrade" or evacuate? Your call... Go AMD! Go DDR! Go LindowsOS! Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:01 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Subject: Server flood soon Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in January, and what I am hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the door.

22 years, 4 months

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Cromemco C-10

by ejchapel＠comcast.net

I have a Cromemco C-10 that works great. Dual floppy drives and the SP software package are there as well. The item I would like to add is the pedestal for the monitor. It is made of dark brown plastic. Cromemco touted it in the early '80s as 'ergonomic' before the word was cool. Anyone know of a Cromemco resource where I might find the pedestal? Ed Vancouver, WA

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The CFX-40 starred in a Movie!

by scottmueller＠compuserve.com

Did you know that our beloved CFX-40 had a starring role in a movie?! Either did I, until I was channel surfing the other day, and lo and behold there it was, shown in glorious full-screen detail no less! The CFX-40 actually seems to have quite a pivotal role, it appears in several scenes throughout (including the opening scene), but is featured most predominantly in one scene where it is used to help captive warriors escape >from the clutches of an evil king and his barbarian henchmen. You read that right, in this movie, a CFX-40 is clearly being worn by what appears to be a primitive warrior wielding a sword. <g> The watch is even shown close-up as he uses it to reflect the sun into the evil king's eyes, blinding him. In the confusion the king is stabbed to death by a bikini clad warrior princess, initiating a fight by which the warriors escape. OK, enough suspense: The movie is "Gor" <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095241>, which was produced in 1987, based on the 1966 book "Tarnsman of Gor" by John Norman (a pseudonym for Professor John Lange) <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0759200548>. I never read the book, but I don't believe the watch is featured there. <g> Beware, this movie is probably one of the worst you'll ever see, even by MST3K standards <http://www.mst3k.com>. However it does feature warrior women in leather bikinis <g>, and if you're a fan of the CFX-40, I'd say it's a "must-see". Scott. PS: There is apparently a sequel called "Outlaw of Gor", but I haven't seen it and don't know if the CFX-40 appears in that one as well.

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more talking to the press.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "ben franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > >Hans Franke wrote: > >> Now, beeing a 6502 Geek from the beginning and a long >> time 8086 assembly programmer, I can't realy follow >> that. The 8086 is in my eyes one of the finest designs >> around. What I realy dislike is the Z80 ... if there >> was ever a CPU with an instruction set designed using >> a random number generator, it's the Z80! > >I dislike them both, but both CPU's have the 8080 as the >founding father. As a 16 bit CPU the 8086 is great,it >is/was the stupid memory management that they used was >the killer for me. > Hi I always thought the 6800 was the best thought out instruction set for a 8 bitter. Dwight > >

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more talking to the press.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> 5) Multitech MPF-1B or MPF-1P "Micro Professor". Why? Because it folds up >> like a book - I know of no other computer like that. > >Not really. It's in a book-shaped case, but the signle-board computer >takes up one half, the other half is empty. Option boards (there's a >printer, EPROM programmer, Speech synthesiser, I/O option, etc) fit in >the other half, but then you can't close up the case.... > >> Items not necessarily in that order of course. I can probably fix a SYM1 and >> I would actually prefer a SYM - ISTR they didn't use mask programmed 6530 >> (6532?) chips, unlike the MOS KIM. The AIM65 is, IMHO, pretty neat. I like > >Must be the 6530. The 6532 is a RIOT (RAM, I/O, Timer) and AFAIK has no >mask-programming options. Hi There are a number of similar things between the 6530 and 6532, other than the ROM in the 6530. Still, you can't just replace all 6530's with a EPROM and a 6532 because some of the level inversions and address selects are mask selected in the 6530. I've not looked into the one on the kim but for those that have blown 6530's, one may still be able to make a board using a 6532/EPROM and a little glue logic. I have a Gottlieb pinball machine that this is not as easy to do because of signal inversions. Dwight > >> the 6502 - what can you expect from someone who grew up using BBC Micros? :) >> At least the 6502 is a bit more logical than, say, the x86 >shudder<. > >Err, I'm a 6809er.... > >-tony >

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*******wanted info on the 1920's televox robot project at Westinghouse...

by esharpe＠uswest.net

wanted info on the 1920's televox robot project at Westinghouse... just thought I would ask incase one of you remembers seeing anything on this or has any old documentation..... yea already did the google and the Westinghouse thing! Thanks! Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC

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