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79xx disc diagnostic manual

by aek＠spies.com

diag pn 12962-16001 r1805? if so, i'll pdf the manual (12962-90001)

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HP 7906 disc issues

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm having some odd problems with a 7906 drive. I have the service manuals, and it passes all the tests contained therein. However, none of those tests involve writing, and reads done offline with the DSU are not verified. The read/write testing relies on the diagnostics running on the cpu. I have the diagnostic software for the 7905/06 drives and it does find problems (sporadically). However, the dump it gives when it finds a problem is somewhat less than succinct - looks like you have to have the manual for the diagnostics to decode the dump, which according to the service manual can point you to a specific circuit in the drive electronics. Sooo does anyone possibly have the documentation/manual for the HP 7905/06 diagnostic program? Hoping for electronic format so I can look at it quickly. I'm itching to get to the bottom of this.

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Free to a good home....

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

I've got a single 486DX-33 CPU chip and a single 128K (64k?)static RAM chip (IS61C64A-25b - ISSI mark). You don't even have to pay postage, just claim it so I don't have to toss it. Comes in a nice little box with anti-stat foam on the bottom. g.

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Speaking of 1802's....

by tomj＠wps.com

There's a big pile of RCA COSMAC development boards, mounted in rack chassis, with "many" options (ROMs, memory, LED displays, power supplies, etc) at the Black Hole in Los Alamos. Aka Los Alamos Sales Co. I neglected to say some months ago, and it just popped into my head now. I have the big fat RCA manual. I just have too much stuff ("just one thin leetle mint sir!").

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Can anyone identify this IBM magnetic tape cartridge?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

While I don't usually search eBay for this sort of item, a friend mentioned something to me which prompted me to search for something magtape related and I ended up bidding on this item and winning it (eBay will be my death): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762437052&ssPageName=AD… Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what vintage it is and what equipment it was used in? Pictures or URLs would be a bonus... --tnx --tom

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Lot of 6 Z-89s, 2 VT100s, VT180, other terminals, DECfloppy drives availa...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Intel used Bubble memory to drive their speech processing stuff. Look for Intel bubble memory among the cards. Nice find. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Pinging Mike Haas. was Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Mike, The last three or four messages that I send to you have all bounced. Joe >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:18:16 -0500 (EST) >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> >Subject: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours >To: rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com >Auto-submitted: auto-generated (warning-timeout) >Original-recipient: rfc822;rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com > > ********************************************** > ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** > ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** > ********************************************** > >The original message was received at Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:16:15 -0500 (EST) >from 73.151.202.68.cfl.rr.com [68.202.151.73] > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ><dogas(a)bellsouth.net>... Deferred: Bad file number >Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours >Will keep trying until message is 2 days old >Reporting-MTA: dns; ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com >Arrival-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:16:15 -0500 (EST) > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; dogas(a)bellsouth.net >Action: delayed >Status: 4.2.0 >Remote-MTA: DNS; mx00.mail.bellsouth.net >Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:18:16 -0500 (EST) >Will-Retry-Until: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:16:15 -0500 (EST) >Received: from afdldashlas (73.151.202.68.cfl.rr.com [68.202.151.73]) > by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAJFG9KO021157 > for <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:16:15 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20031119095938.007e7c70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> >X-Sender: rigdonj(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:59:38 -0500 >To: Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: Re: looking for EXORcisor board >In-Reply-To: <062501c3ae2f$fec16910$7162d6d1@DOMAIN> >References: <B57137A8-18AC-11D8-9072-000393C5A0B6(a)cnonline.net> > <3.0.6.32.20031116232848.007f4a70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >

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Overland Data OD3201

by aek＠spies.com

"Pertec Interface . . . The unit hooks up to any computer with a standard parallel port for EZ data migration between system platforms; from PC Networks, mid-ranges. . ." -- The seller doesn't know what he's talking about..

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VCF East in 2004?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I agree. Which is why I suggested Trinity College or somewhere in Stamford. Anything else closer to NYC proper would be too expensive. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:04 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? Boston is all well and good and if MIT were to allow something, that would be great, but I think it should be moved down 100-150 miles to allow a lot of the collectors in NJ/PA/OH to come, this is why, I think CT is a very good locale. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? > Am 17 Nov 2003 16:35 meinte Curt vendel: > > > > Hey, as a newbie to the group, I need to ask: is the VCF customarily held > > > at a particular time of year? I'll likely be around New York/New England > > > in late June or early July, and it'd be a happy coincidence if it just > > > happened to take place right about then. :) > > > > (There. I've announced a timetable. Now the RCS has time to hide before I > > > get there. <g!> ) > > > Well VCF (west coast and the original, 6 shows to date?) has always been > > held in the fall (Sept - Oct timeframe usually as I've seen it, I've only > > had a chance to exhibit at one of them so far) > > > The 1st VCF East was in late spring (was it May??? I can't remember, it was > > a while ago...) I like the May/June timeframe myself... > > And then there's of course VCFe (5th issue coming up), always held > on the weekend closest to 1st of May (next time May 1st/2nd). It's > not to desirable to have both to close - next year it's already too > close (less than 4 weeks). > > Also, Sallam, Boston in April migh still hold _snow_, something > not seen in your area of CA for a long time - no, I'm not talking > about a little bit of white stuff, but rather enugh and over more > than just a few hours - but beeing the well educated young man as > I know you are, you may have herared of. > > Am 17 Nov 2003 14:42 meinte Jay West: > > > c'mon... what about VCF central Sellam?? > > I suggest Yates Center, Kansas, maybe not world's smaltest MoN-town, > but with probably the one with highest classic computer to citizen > ratio in the world :) > > Am 17 Nov 2003 16:23 meinte John Lawson: > > Hey! Howsabout VCF-Not-So-West, here in Carson City?? Or Reno.... > > Cool, we even don't need any artificial light, this place is known > to be lit up by iridium flares :) > > > OR - buy a couple of semi-trucks - VCF Portable!! > > John, you're realy advancing on your way to become a real Hick/Geek > crossover :) But yeah, come to think of it, the VCF Tour might > be a real interesting idea. > > Am 17 Nov 2003 16:27 meinte Bryan Pope: > > > Well, how about VCF, eh? (in Canada!) ;-) > > Vintage Canadian Festival? > > > > OR - shutup! > > Err... I guess I better do so :) > > Gruss > H. > -- > VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen > http://www.vcfe.org/ >

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cctalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 45

by keith＠saracom.com

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:41:39 -0600 (CST), cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:31:49 -0800 > From: bob(a)jfcl.com (Bob Armstrong) > Subject: Telnet to RS232 Gizmo? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <03111908314964(a)jfcl.com> > > > I want a little gizmo with an RS-232/DB25 on one side > and a RJ45/10baseT > on the other. It should speak TCP/IP, specifically > telnet, and convert it > to RS-232. Kind of like a print server, except for > telnet/RS232 instead of > lpd/Centronics. > > The idea is to use it to put some of my old computers > on the network > by plugging it into their console serial ports. > > There are enough microprocessors around today with > embedded TCP/IP > stacks that such a thing would not be that hard to > build, but it > sounds like the kind of thing that somebody else must > have already > done. > > Can anybody give me any pointers to such a gizmo? > Bob, There are several single port terminal servers available. I have used the PicoWeb and the HelloDevice. The PicoWeb server is cheaper and available from www.picoweb.net, but he did not reply to my last emails. Instead we bought the single port hellodevice model ls100 from www.sena.com. the PicoWeb site has complete schematics etc. The HelloDevice LS100 is more of production device. Its also easier to setup and use. >From memory, the PicWeb Server was about $90 and the LS100 was about $130. If you need lots of serial ports, perhaps a standard terminal server would be better. Speaking of which, does anyone know of a MOPD server for Windows 98? Max

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Telnet to RS232 Gizmo?

by bob＠jfcl.com

>It's called a "terminal server." >Use a cheap terminal server. I suppose, if you want 16-32-48 ports and a big honkin' box. I was hoping for 1 port and a tiny box. Bob

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disk drive

by amarder＠mail.ru

Dear m-r Duell, I'm looking for disk drive model MP-F52W-00D (Sony). It is out-of-date model What model it is possible to replace by? Your advice is necessary Best Regards, A.Marder, engineer

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Telnet to RS232 Gizmo?

by bob＠jfcl.com

I want a little gizmo with an RS-232/DB25 on one side and a RJ45/10baseT on the other. It should speak TCP/IP, specifically telnet, and convert it to RS-232. Kind of like a print server, except for telnet/RS232 instead of lpd/Centronics. The idea is to use it to put some of my old computers on the network by plugging it into their console serial ports. There are enough microprocessors around today with embedded TCP/IP stacks that such a thing would not be that hard to build, but it sounds like the kind of thing that somebody else must have already done. Can anybody give me any pointers to such a gizmo? Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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ANTS!!!!

by ptremewe＠bigpond.net.au

Hi All, Had an Atari 520 ST in storage. Found out it has small ants next taking up residance inside it. I think I found it before the ants managed to cause any damage inside the unit, however am courious to know if there is any known long term affect from Fly Spray contamination. I can clean up most of the PCB and Everything with the usual High presure wash, then dry it in a drying oven, but what residues am I likely to have from fly spray?? Any one with any ideas???? Peter T.

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JPG needed - Altair-era printer

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I'm doing some renovation work on the Altair32 Emulator and I'm looking for JPGs of Altair-era dot matrix printers that I can convert to BMP and use as a dialog box background. It would have to be a close-up, well-lit shot that I can re-size if needed. The final size won't be any bigger than about 640x300 (more likely smaller). A shot from the operators' viewpoint would be best so you can see the control panel. Please contact me off-list. As always, thanks. Rich

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Telnet to RS232 Gizmo?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 19, 8:31, Bob Armstrong wrote: > > I want a little gizmo with an RS-232/DB25 on one side and a RJ45/10baseT > on the other. It should speak TCP/IP, specifically telnet, and convert it > to RS-232. Kind of like a print server, except for telnet/RS232 instead of > lpd/Centronics. > > The idea is to use it to put some of my old computers on the network > by plugging it into their console serial ports. In other words, a terminal server (or a console server, as they're sometimes called). Look for a secondhand Shivaport or Lantronix; don't bother with Emulex. If you want a really small one, try http://www.interfaces.de/e-wwwww-ww-hpus-000.html (but they ain't cheap). They do some nice things; I bought some web-IO thermometer units from them (I use PT100 probes and I can run the probes remotely over 100m of Cat5). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Available DEC gear: updp-11/23's

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a lead on some DEC gear, I'm handing it over to the list. Please contact the owner directly. Sounds like he has RT-11 on diskette AND tape. I'd be interested in just the tape if it's 1/2 inch.... Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim majoch" <tmajoch(a)comcast.net> > I have two micro PDP-11/23 (or /53 not entirely sure) systems in need of a > home. Theywere in a surplus pallet purchase from the Boeing Aerospace Co > about 8-10years ago and my buddy who bought them gave them to me since I > used to use similsr systems when I worked at Boeing for multi-channeldata > aquisitionan experiment control. I can't give an exhaustive list of the > system config's as I had a stroke in Feb and don't have the full use of all > my limbs and the systems are confined in a closet in a seldom used area of > my house. The units each include processor, memory (one 4MB board , one is > less, maybe 1MB) and drive controller boards (an RQDX2 or 3 in one , RQDX1 > in the other)and at one time I had partial success getting an RT-11 system > installed on one of them - using an IBM PC terminal emulator program as a > serial port for VT terminal input. So the hardware is good, it just needs > some tlc and someone with enough expertise and free time to get them > configured. I think there is at least one RD/5x equivalent drive avaiable > also. They each weigh about 80+ #'sI also have a set of rt-11 v5.x > floppies(and system manuals - in orange DEC binders) and a tape distro of > v5.4 (if I recall correctly). I have a warm spot in my heart for these > systems, and would like to find them a good home. They are in the floor > standing narrow molded cream cases/bases and would need to be freighted or > picked up if someone wanted them and was not too far away I know they cost > Boeing over$10K or so each when new and I know they aren't worth much now, > so I'm not trying to sell them, but I'd like to see them in use again . If > you can find anyone who is interested in these units, please have them > contact me, so we can discuss transferring them. If your organization would > like them as museum pieces, etc. I'd be happy to donate them. > > Thanks > Tim Majoch > > > > > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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Processor OS List

by knightstalkerbob＠netscape.net

Add HDOS (Heath DOS, for H/Z-89's) under the Z80 list. Bob Mason "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote: > I'm starting to compile a list of various processor, and OS's they ran. An >OS qualifies if it was general purpose, not a dedicated OS. CP/M, Apple DOS, >etc qualify, ROM'ed things like vxWorks does not. Forth is a special >category, and while it will be present in the list, doesn't need to be listed >for every processor. I'm more interested in the smaller processors, and not >getting into 68000, NS32000, etc. However, 8 bits is not a requirement. We >can skip over x86 family however, as that list would be huge > > I plan to make this the basis of a webpage. Of course, if anyone knows of >such a page already, feelk free to point me at it. I googled around, and had >so many hits, I couldn't find reasonable search terms to cull it with. > > A starting point is: > >Z80: > CP/M (and variants: MP/M, etc) > TRS-DOS > >6502: > Apple DOS > Commodore DOS (not sure of the name) > >6800: > Flex > >1802: > RCA COSMAC development system > > > > > -- Bob Mason 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD Homebrew AMD Athlon 2400+, 512MB, etc. Heathkit H-89A, 64K RAM, hard and soft-sectored floppies, SigmaSoft and Systems 256K RAM Drive/Print Spooler/Graphics board HDOS 2 & CP/M 2.2.03/2.2.04 __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

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HP-1600A Manual... (slightly OT)

by root＠parse.com

Hi folks, I'm looking for either an HP-1600A manual, or for some kind soul to give me a few pointers on how to use the 1600. I got it without the manual; but I do have all the probes. My main questions are: a) what do the "Qualifier" switches do? b) how do they relate, if at all, to the "Trigger Word / Map Locator" switches? c) how do I trigger on various patterns (if I can)? d) some explanation of the "Trigger Mode", "Sample Mode", "Table", and "Map" switches. e) any other general operating tips would be appreciated. I'm posting to this list because I figure a few people out there use these things for their antique computer collections; I certainly plan to use mine to restore my PDP-12 :-) http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp12/pdp12/restore.html I intend on using it with a "clothes-pin"-type 14 and 16 pin adaptor to check on the operating state of various ICs... Cheers, and thanks in advance, -RK [When replying by email, you'll need to click on the URL mailed back to you -- spam filters and all that] -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!

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Processor OS List

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I don't know if anyone mentioned it yet but's there's MOS for the IBM PC (and maybe others). It's a multiuser version of MS-DOS. Lance Lyon should be able to give more details. Joe

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RM03 read/write heads and aligning disk

by sebastian.bocc＠autotrol.com.uy

Hello, I have some RM03 spares, heads, aligning disk, etc... someone wants them? I have 6 new heads, in the box and sealed. Sebastian

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HP 75000 Mainframe w/ Modules For Sale

by browe58＠comcast.net

Hi, I have an HP 75000 mainframe (photo attached) w/ the following modules available for sale: _ e1405a command module _ e1679a sonet/sdh timing reference (shown in photo but has been sold) _ e1671a sonet/sdh transport oh generator _ e1693a atm generator 155/662 _ e1694a atm receiver 155/662 _ e1672a sonet/sdh transport oh receiver _ e1662a sonet/sdh optical i/f 155/662 mb/s _ e1663a sonet/sdh electrical interface If interested, please feel free to make a "fair" offer. Unit is fully operational and comes w/ 7 day return policy if faulty. thanx. bill

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Racks, rails and panels

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 18, 21:03, vrs wrote: > From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > > Haven't got time to comment on everything you've said. > > Some tips: > > Rails come in two pieces. > > You can mount one piece to the drive and one to the rack. > > When you have the rails in two pieces, the rack side rails > > can be screwed in place with much less stuff in the way > > than if the drive was there, so please do that. > > "Safety Rails" do not come apart like that. They are specifically designed > so the device *won't* go in or out through the front of the machine. It > will extend so the device can be serviced, but it won't let go so you can > take the device out and set it on a table. All the rails I've ever seen have some way of separating equipment from rail; usually catches that can be undone to allow the unit to come right out the front. I've seen some rails where the catches were hard to find, hard to get at, hard to figure out, but never one without any catch or release mechanism at all. It wouldn't make sense: if the equipment is so heavy and/or delicate that you couldn't risk it falling out, you don't want to make it too hard to mount in the first place. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Overland Data OD3201

by scott_pasternak＠yahoo.com

In response to: Trying to find an Overland Data, Inc. OD3201 (or similar model) 9-track reel-to-reel unit. It is a reasonably thin, grey unit that stands vertically and has a plexiglas window built in the door. Please reply directly to ken at fraserhouse.com including condition and price. Thanks, Ken Campbell See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2767146461&category=5109… --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

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HP 1000 ROMs (HP newbie, be nice!)

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I have an HP1000E/2113B, s/n 2130A00623 sitting in my family room. I've run it to see the lights blink but don't know anything else about it. How would I check to see the ROM configuration? Configuration includes 12821A disc controller, BACI, HS terminal, BUS I/O and a bunch of I/O cards, also 3 64K word memory cards. I don't have docs for this box but I have what looks like a complete set of manuals for a truly embedded system - an HP 5987A GC/MS (gas chromatography/mass spectrometer) system. Manuals include the RTE-6/VM manual. I bought manuals and cables; the CPU itself may still be available (I think asking price was $300) if anyone is interested. BTW, this thing is really too big for my collection - anyone want to trade a MOS KIM or Exorciser system for it? Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

> I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend Dumps of the firmware is now up at www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware including the IOP firmware the 21MX. Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of the 2100 IOP firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.

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Racks, rails and panels

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 22:01, Ian Primus wrote: > How do I get the side panel off the Digital rack? They seem to come > off, and one is loose. I am wanting to remove it, and reattach it so > that it won't rattle. Also, the top panels are a little crooked. I have > tried to look for how the thing is put together, but it's hard for me > to tell, being unfamiliar with racks. What is the trick to removing > those panels? There are two or three types. One has panels that pop on using springy metal fasteners, one has sides that lift up slightly then pull off, similar to (but not the same as) the taller racks. > What are the preferred types of screws to use for mounting things in > racks? One of my racks has threaded holes, but the Digital one doesn't. > Should I just go to the hardware store and get some 1/4-20 nuts and > bolts, or is there a recommended or standard size? Also, what is the > threading on racks with threaded holes? Is this a standard size bolt? Normally, on those racks, you use clip-on Tinnerman nuts, with 10-32 screws. Some devices use a metal strip with tapped holes to take 10-32 screws. A Tinnerman nut is basically a folded piece of springy sheet metal with a nut welded onto the back, so that it clips onto the vertical rail and holds the nut captive and aligned with the hole in the rail. > Also, I have a Fujitsu Eagle, which, aside from being very heavy, also > needs a new set of rails. It has some rails already, but I don't have > the mating ones to put in the rack. Do most devices take standard > rails, or are there peculiarities to some drives? Will a normal set of > rails handle a 150 pound hard drive, or do I need something a bit more > robust? Pity you haven't got the original rails, they're really high quality. Eagle rails are heavier-duty than most, but any really HD rail will be fine, providing the holes fit. > Does it matter what order I put the hardware into the rack? I wouldn't > think that it would, but I'm worried about heat. Within reason, it doesn't matter. I'd leave a gap above the Eagle. In case you didn't already know, the rack is measured in "U" (units of 1_3/4"). 3U is 5_1/4". If you look closely you'll see the holes are not evenly spaced, but in groups of three. The centres of the outer holes of a 1U space are 5/8" distant from the centre of the middle hole (and distance from centre of outer hole of one U to centre of outer hole of the adjacent U is 1/2" ). > On a related note, how should I plug all this stuff in? I'll have at > least three power cords, one for the computer, one for the Eagle and > one for the tape drive, then there will likely be another drive or two. > What should I plug these into? Will a heavy duty power strip handle the > load, or should I split it up? What about a single circuit? From what I > have read, an 11/73 shouldn't draw that much juice, the only thing I > worry about is how much current the drives need. I'd still imagine that > a regular household 15 amp line should do it though. 15A should be plenty. I can't remember what an Eagle draws, but my 11/73 system draws less than 4A at 230V, but it has two smaler drives, not an Eagle. The normal way to wire them up is with a power controller in the bottom of the rack, at the back. A power controller is basically a power strip with two sets of sockets (one always on, one set controlled), a 2-pole (3-pole if for 3-phase) circuit breaker (not just a switch), and a relay/contacter and associated electronics. A 3-position switch lets you turn the contactor to ON, OFF, or REMOTE, and there are two or three 3-pin AMP Mate-N-Lock sockets for remote connections (you can wire the BA11-x switches to turn the contactor on and off). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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UNiform-PC

by nico＠farumdata.dk

Lo and behold, when cleaning up a bit, I found an original Microsolutions "uniform-pc" 5.25" floppy. Serial 01720511. Someone asked about it lately, but I cant remember who it was. Nico

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Racks, rails and panels

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 18, 22:18, Ian Primus wrote: > The Fujitsu > Eagle is another story entirely. I have looked at the rails some more, > and they do appear to be safety rails, and they are missing the rear > right angle flange that would allow me to screw them into the rack. > Also, even if I did have this flange I do not know how I am to get this > drive into the rack at all. I need to somehow lift the drive up far > enough so I can screw the rails in place. No, if they''re the normal Eagle rails, they *do* come apart. The normal method is to separate the outer (main) assembly, fit it, with the back bracket, to the rack, and get two people (or possibly the industry-standard pile of books or wood) to lift the unit to the correct height, while you guide first one side and then the other into the fixed part of the rails. It's often easier to get the drive lined up, close the front of the cab, then slide the rails onto the drive, rather than wiggle a 200lb drive onto a moving (sliding!) target. Are these rails made of what looks like brushed aluminium alloy, about 3" high? Slide the outer part back; it will stick out about half the drive length. You should have an inner (actually, it's the middle) layer of slide, with round-bottomed grooves on top and bottom edges (where the ball-bearings run), probably still more-or-less aligned with the front and back of the drive. This slides backwards (it's much stiffer to slide than the outer section, and goes "click" as the safety button engages in a round hole (abut 3/4" diameter) near the front of this middle layer. At this piont, the amount of rail extending out behind the drive is just a little more than the depth of the drive itself. Press the button in, push back some more, and the whole middle+outer of the slide will come off the drive. > But, there I face another snag. The Digital rack I am installing this > in is not threaded. Also, the spacing between the front and the back is > different than the other rack I have, and I noticed that some of the > rails I had didn't fit as easily as they could have. Are there really > different depths for racks? Yes, there are. Some racks have the verticals closer to the front, some (comms racks) have them set further back ( to allow for a door closing over cables plugged in to patch panels. And there are shallow racks, instrument racks, deep racks, ... Add to that, different methods of ixing. As you look at the rack from the front, you see a flange with the mounting holes in it (one on each side of the rack, obviously). Some things are meant to fasten to the front surfuce of this, some to the rear. Many types of rails fit to the rear surface, otherwise they'd be too thick to get standard-width equipment between the rails. The standard rails for things like an RX02, a PDP/8E, modern Intel 2U servers, etc fit to the rear surfaces for this reason. > Another little snag I > encountered with the Digital rack is that I _can't_ use the Tinnerman > nuts that clip onto the rails. The problem is that in the Digital rack, > the rails screw in from the _back_ of the front part, instead of the > front. I think that's what I've just described, and you've obviously discovered for yourself. > I found a couple appropriate sized bolts > with locking nuts that I was able to use, I'm going to get some more at > the hardware store tomorrow though. Usually, the way is have a strip of steel, about 3/8" wide, and about 1/8" thick, with three of four tapped (threaded) holes in it, spaced to suit the rack's mounting holes. If the front bracket (or flange) of the rail has slots instead of holes (they usually do), you pick the holes you need, put a couple of screws through the rack, and screw them just a few turns into the metal strip. Do this front and back. Then adjust the back bracket to about the right length, slip the rail's flange between rack and metal strip, hold in place with one hand and tighten up the screws (you want Philips head screws, not slotted :-)) with the other. Same at other end, then add more screws as required. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Mitsubishi Computer available in Macao

by dancohoe＠oxford.net

I was forwarded this message yesterday. If anyone is interested, I have the original senders email. Unfortunately for most of us, he's in Macao. There's an attached jpg of the machine; it looks like a console type machine with built-in printer and two 8" floppies. >Subject: Historical Mitsubishi Computer with Antique Software >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:40:46 +0800 >Status: U > >?? >Dear Michael: > >I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector >that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi >Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers >migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its >original catalogs for your easy reference. > >Awaiting your soonest reply. > >Thanks and best regards, >Monte >

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Apple Unidisk

by vcf＠siconic.com

Ok, so I was at the Computer History Museum again today and got a chance to check out the Unidisk in more detail. First of all, it might be a very late model prototype as it requires a kludgy external box for power. Donated along with the drive was a box of Apple interfaces. There is definitely an Apple /// Uni/Duo-disk controller. Therewas also a funky Apple ][ riser card. There were also a couple extra analog boards. One was a spare Unidisk analog board, and there were two Lolly Disk analog boards. What's a Lolly disk? Also donated were about 10 engineering drawings of the Unidisk, Duodisk, as well as the Disk ][ controller, Disk ][ analog board, and some other stuff. Definitely an interesting piece of hardware. Eric, ask the next time you are there and you should be able to get someone's permission to check out the drive. It's in the accessioning room, next in queue to be accessioned. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all be en running.

by MGemeny＠pgcps.org

Hi folks, Well, the haunted house season is over and the cleanup continues. Now I'll have more time to put into the HP2000 simulation project. As you may remember we did get HP2000 Access running under simulation, as well as "E" and "F". But so far no one is running a system full time. I was running the system under Windows, but Unix and Mac are supported as well. We have most all of the documentation including the source for Access date code 1812, and should have most all of the contributed libraries. Would any of you have access to other HIBE tapes? Ether in your archives or in archives of data centers you used to support? We still have more HIBE tapes that need to be converted to CD ROM and lots of work sorting it all. It sure was nice the first time I launched a telnet to my windows box and got the "PLEASE LOG IN" prompt, and it was even better once I has able to log in and play Adventure. Since the simulation is faithful to the hardware, the original operating system binaries don't even know that they are not running on real hardware. I even have to use an image of the actual 2100 paper-tape bootstrap program to get Access running under simulation. With this approach to the simulation, every feature, flaw (if there were any), or quirk is faithfully reproduced. I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then the package is available only on an as needed basis. Do you know anybody who may want to play sysop and keep a system running for the public to play with? If so, just drop me a note. Mgemeny(a)pgcps.org Ps. We also did a paper on the project, which can be found here: http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf <http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf> Thanks in advance, Mike.

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Racks, rails and panels

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 18, 7:35, Ian Primus wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 03:42 AM, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Normally, on those racks, you use clip-on Tinnerman nuts, with 10-32 > > screws. Some devices use a metal strip with tapped holes to take 10-32 > > screws. A Tinnerman nut is basically a folded piece of springy sheet > > metal with a nut welded onto the back, so that it clips onto the > > vertical rail and holds the nut captive and aligned with the hole in > > the rail. > > Are these Tinnerman nuts available in places like Home Depot, or do > they need to be ordered. Something tells me that Home Depot wouldn't > carry them, since they sound specific to rack mounted hardware, but I > thought I'd ask. I'll probably just use regular nuts and bolts, those I > _can_ get at Home Depot. Probably not at Home Depot, but specialist hardware suppliers (any rack supplier) will have them, or Tinnerman Palnut themselves. Try a Google search for "tinnerman" :-) Or see if any local suplus places have any (look for them still attached to racks). You'll find that using ordinary nuts and bolts is often very difficult, because you often can't get your fingers in to hold the nut. > I've got part of the original rails :). Bolted to the side of the drive > are sliding rails, and normally I would assume that the entire rail was > there, as the end is such that it could be screwed into the rack, but > there are only these screw holes on the front of the rails, not the > back, and I know that a 150 pound drive cannot be supported by a single > set of screws in the front. Correct, there are usually three (or four) screws at the front, and the same at the back. If you've got two parts of the rail, one sliding over the other, you're just missing the back brackets. If you've got only one part, fixed to the side of the drive, you have slightly less than half the rail (you're missing the larger part, with all the ball bearings, and missing the back bracket). The back brackets are plated steel channel, about 8" long, that fit over the stationary part of the rail. The end is bent over into a flange that bolts to the inside of the rack's vertical member. I dare say you could make something that would do the job. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

I think Al said he might have found some reference that proves that the IOP firmware was actually ported by HP to the E. Can you confirm? -- The part numbers for the E version appear in the 2000 section of the M/E/F CE manual. It has 6 proms listed instead of 12. I still think it's possible to convert the MX version to the E. Bob and Mike figured out what the instructions do (from memory something like cnvrt isn't even used..)

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HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all been running.

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

My computer is up and running 24 hours. I have some particular interest to play with the HP2000, and sould like to get the package to put it online (and play with too). Cheers Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Fecha: Mi?rcoles, Noviembre 19, 2003 7:05 am Asunto: Re: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all been running. > Yes Mike... just to show I'm not biased against any emulator other > thanmine... I'd be happy to put up the simh simulator running > access on the > classiccmp server. Full time connected to the net. Of course, if I > ever get > around to finishing mine up, BOTH will be available there! :) > > Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Gemeny" <MGemeny(a)pgcps.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:33 PM > Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access > have all been > running. > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Well, the haunted house season is over and the cleanup continues. > > > > Now I'll have more time to put into the HP2000 simulation project. > > > > As you may remember we did get HP2000 Access running under > simulation, as > > well as "E" and "F". But so far no one is running a system full > time.> > > I was running the system under Windows, but Unix and Mac are > supported as > > well. We have most all of the documentation including the source for > Access > > date code 1812, and should have most all of the contributed > libraries.> > > Would any of you have access to other HIBE tapes? Ether in your > archivesor > > in archives of data centers you used to support? > > > > We still have more HIBE tapes that need to be converted to CD > ROM and lots > > of work sorting it all. > > > > It sure was nice the first time I launched a telnet to my > windows box and > > got the "PLEASE LOG IN" prompt, and it was even better once I > has able to > > log in and play Adventure. > > > > Since the simulation is faithful to the hardware, the original > operating> system binaries don't even know that they are not > running on real > hardware. > > I even have to use an image of the actual 2100 paper-tape bootstrap > program > > to get Access running under simulation. > > > > With this approach to the simulation, every feature, flaw (if > there were > > any), or quirk is faithfully reproduced. > > > > I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but > until then the > > package is available only on an as needed basis. > > > > Do you know anybody who may want to play sysop and keep a system > runningfor > > the public to play with? > > > > If so, just drop me a note. > > > > Mgemeny(a)pgcps.org > > > > Ps. We also did a paper on the project, which can be found here: > > > > http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Pape > > <" target="l">http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Pape > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Mike. > > > > > >

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HP Programmer's Calculators

by vance＠neurotica.com

Anyone know what's the newest model of HP Programmer's Calculator? One with number system conversion and stuff like that? Peace... Sridhar

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Classic Computers WIKI

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "JP Hindin" <jplist(a)kiwigeek.com> > > > >On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote: >> I don't know how to start a Wiki, but perhaps it would be a good thing >> for all of us. I would provide a "memory location" where we could all >> add what each knows about each kind of computer. > >I already have something just like this; > >www.computershelter.org > >JP > > Hi I've looked at your site but I'm a little confused. How does one use the Museum page? Also, how does one find information on a computer that one is looking for? What is a WIKI? On your page, you mention that one should be willing to pick up any machine that is offered. While this is a nice thought, I couldn't even justify the price of gas to pick up a no name 286 PC. I don't know anyone that would pay shipping on such a machine. I would cost me extra to bring it to the land fill transfer station that I go to because these are considered hazardous waste. Under these conditions, I don't think I could consider myself a curator for your page although I would otherwise love to post my collection. Dwight

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Burgess XX15 Battery Specs?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Classic Computers" <classiccmp(a)earthlink.net> >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:30:55 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 >Thread-Index: AcOuTYpbK45jzfGKSMiHGnKJb4qwcA== >X-ELNK-Trace: ca8ac7330f1a6aed6600dd9e358d661c239a348a220c26093694c06328d2be70652be52805f867b8 350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >cc: >Subject: Burgess XX15 Battery Specs? >X-BeenThere: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk.classiccmp.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk> >List-Post: <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> >List-Help: <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> >X-WSS-ID: 13A43AF222499140-01-01 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I have an old Triplett 631 VTVM/VOM (that I use with classic computer >stuff, of course) that uses a Burgess XX15 battery. The XX15 is 22.5V >and is no longer made. > >There is a "fix" for this situation posted on the Web that substitutes >several currently made 22.5V batteries. But, I'd like to see if there >are any other ways of replacing the XX15s. > >So, does anyone have an old spec sheet for the Burgess XX15? I couldn't >find anything on the Web. > >Thanks, >Dave > > > Hi Dave First thing to concider is that this was a carbon-zinc battery. They expect a large voltage difference over the life of the cells. Stacking two 9 volt alkaline batteries should be enough to make the unit operate properly, giving 18 volts. If you find a problem here, you can always cut open a 9 volt alkaline battery and remove enough cells to make up the 4.5 volts. The alkaline units have separate cells that can be individually removed. This is unlike the stacks that are used in 9 volt carbon-zinc batteries. Be careful to leave enough welled strip to solder to so you don't over heat the cells. Later Dwight

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Burgess XX15 Battery Specs?

by classiccmp＠earthlink.net

I have an old Triplett 631 VTVM/VOM (that I use with classic computer stuff, of course) that uses a Burgess XX15 battery. The XX15 is 22.5V and is no longer made. There is a "fix" for this situation posted on the Web that substitutes several currently made 22.5V batteries. But, I'd like to see if there are any other ways of replacing the XX15s. So, does anyone have an old spec sheet for the Burgess XX15? I couldn't find anything on the Web. Thanks, Dave

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Another TRS-80 OS

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

There was Multi-DOS by Vernon Hester, it worked on Model I/III/IV He also made a simple version called V-DOS (I think) for Game manufacturers. Percom also had Double-DOS There were quite a few more, Percom had it's own incompatible DOS for awhile also. And then there were the various CP/M flavors for the TRS-80 like Lifeboat, Lobo, and others. Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

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Processor OS List

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk >> >> I'm starting to compile a list of various processor, and OS's they ran. An >> OS qualifies if it was general purpose, not a dedicated OS. CP/M, Apple DOS, >> etc qualify, ROM'ed things like vxWorks does not. Forth is a special > >Are you sayiong an OS is not general-purpose if it's in ROM? In other >words Acorn MOS doesn't count? Strange criterion. > >> category, and while it will be present in the list, doesn't need to be listed >> for every processor. I'm more interested in the smaller processors, and not >> getting into 68000, NS32000, etc. However, 8 bits is not a requirement. We >> can skip over x86 family however, as that list would be huge >> >> I plan to make this the basis of a webpage. Of course, if anyone knows of >> such a page already, feelk free to point me at it. I googled around, and had >> so many hits, I couldn't find reasonable search terms to cull it with. >> >> A starting point is: >> >> Z80: >> CP/M (and variants: MP/M, etc) >> TRS-DOS > >LDOS, MultiDOS, DOS+, etc (various TRS-80 'improved' OSes) >XtalDOS (Tatung Einstein CP/M-a-like) >CP/N (?) > >> >> 6502: >> Apple DOS >> Commodore DOS (not sure of the name) > >Acorn MOS > >> >> 6800: >> Flex > >6809: > Flex-09 > OS9 > Color TRS-DOS > > >> >> 1802: >> RCA COSMAC development system > >32016: > PANOS/Pandora > Whatever the Unix varient on the Whitechapel MG1 is called ;-) > >Z8000: > ZEUS (Zilog Enhanced Unix System) > >-tony > > Z8000 also includes PCOS ( Olivetti ) and CPM-8000 Dwight

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Racks, rails and panels

by aek＠spies.com

http://epl.meei.harvard.edu/Engineering/rackscrews.html Digikey actually has them at a decent price http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=75455&Row=85763

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Apple IIe - trying to get drives to work

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

I am looking for a troubleshooting guide web site or similar resource. Or maybe someone here can help? In a nutshell, I turn on the Apple IIe and drive 1 spins and the drive light comes on, but does not read any bootable disks. On the display the screen reads: Apple ][ I have a number of boot disks so I don't think the disks are all bad. I have checked the cables and the drive card. I have swapped out the drive card with another that works. I have swapped cables and they seem OK. How do I diagnose the condition of this computer? Is there an internal diagnostic? (key combinations?) What's wrong typically when a disk drive spins but nothing happens? Playing around with key combinations I found that control+clear apple+filled apple+reset brings me to a prompt of some kind, but I do not know what I can do from this prompt. I have no manuals. I would be happy to send a set of digital pictures to anyone interested in helping. Please email comments to billdeg(a)degnanco.com - thanks!

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Processor OS List

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 18, 19:30, Stan Barr wrote: > > "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> said: > > > I'm starting to compile a list of various processor, and OS's they ran. > A starting point is: > > 6502: > > Apple DOS > > Commodore DOS (not sure of the name) > > BBC DOS (can't rmemeber it's official name) Well, the main part is the Acorn MOS (Machine Operating System), and to that you can add various filing systems: DFS is the single-density floppy disc non-hierarchical Disc Filing System, ADFS is the double-density floppy/hard disc hierarchical Advanced Disc Filing System, NFS is the Network Filing System, you can guess what ANFS stands for, TFS is the Telesoftware Filing System (for software broadcast as teletext), ... You could also get the UCSD p-System From SofTech/TDi. For the Torch Z-80, there was CPN, a CP/M lookalike. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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COMPAQ 386

by Pablo.Berruz＠warnerbros.com

Hi, I just saw this old ad. Do you still have this pc? I would like to buy it.

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Great computer history pictorial book at discount

by MTPro＠aol.com

> From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net> > > I think the like classiccomputinsA/ > gives some one some money credit for the transaction for > the referral to > Amazon. Yes, it does. It gives my Amazon associate account whatever small commission. I am in the process of rebuilding all of my links to computer history related books from Amazon and for abebooks.com. This small commission in no way costs the buyer any more, and my desire to share the great deal on a great book was sincere. Sorry if I offended anyone, though frankly I can't see why it matters - you don't have to buy the book. Best, David Greelish, classiccomputing.com

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more talking to the press.

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Brilliant! Just as the previous 'talking to the press' thread has vanished >from my classiccmp folder after I thought 'I won't need that' one of the broadsheets want to talk to me about collecting and collectables! Can anyone give me a precis of the previous thread before I go search the archives? Thanks! -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(

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Emulex SC04 controller... what kind of disk does it talk to?

by aek＠spies.com

anyone recognize this puppy? -- yup.. ANSI 8" interface I was VERY happy someone outbid me on it when I discovered what it was.. If someone has a paper copy of the X3.101 spec, i'd like to add it to the archives on spies. It appears to be based on the Shugart/Quantum 8" drive standard but on a single 50 pin connector instead of a 50 and 26.

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HP CPU

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

>Manuals include the RTE-6/VM manual. I bought >manuals and >cables; the CPU itself may still be available (I >think asking price was> $300) if anyone is interested. Jack, do you mean you don't want the 1000E/2113B CPU and it's available? If so, let's talk. --Bill

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VCF East in 2004?

by chrisc＠addpower.com

New Orleans would be good, too... :) "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.o To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" rg> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent by: cc: cctech-bounces@clas Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? siccmp.org 11/17/2003 02:42 PM Please respond to "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" c'mon... what about VCF central Sellam?? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt vendel" <curt(a)atarimuseum.com> To: <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? > Danbury is also a superb area, you've got the Danbury Mall, there is also > the airport there, lots of hotels with convention centers connected, I think > also Metro North rail isn't too far either. > > > > Curt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Woyciesjes" <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? > > > > Curt Vendel wrote: > > > > > > Sellam, > > > > > > Any chance of a VCF East in 2004? A location in CT would be great, > it > > > would be a good midpoint for all the collectors in MA/NH/RI and the ones > in > > > NY/NJ/PA. There are a lot of hotels with conference halls around the > > > Buckland Mall (exit 62?) off of RT-84 CT, plus with the mall, and lots > of > > > local fast food and restaurants, there would be plenty for show goers to > do > > > before/after the show. There is a massive videogame (2nd largest show > in > > > the US next to www.austingamingexpo.com which is the largest) event in > > > March: www.phillyclassic.com so if you could schedule around it, that > would > > > be great. > > > > > > Curt > > > > Actually, the New Haven/Danbury/Hartford areas might be a better option > > for those coming from the south, rather than eastern CT... > > > > -- > > --- Dave Woyciesjes > > --- ICQ# 905818 > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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