- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, gang, FYI: I'm in the process of converting a 1991 vintage Data I/O device wallchart to spreadsheet format. Once done, it will provide the family & pinout codes for just about every device Data I/O was supporting at that time. Said codes are necessary when using older programming equipment, such as the 19, 29, and 212 families. The file will be made available in Quattro Pro spreadsheet and .PDF formats, if all goes well, and will be stashed on my FTP site. I'll post an additional note when its ready. It's going to take at least a month or so, as there's a -ton- of raw data in the thing (I'm working on a little each day). It will be sorted by Manufacturer, Device part number, Package, and F/P code. No charge... I'm doing this because I know a lot of people have the old programmers, and I hate to see good equipment go idle simply because the manufacturer no longer supports it. Besides, this is something I'd love to see if I were still using a 29 or something similar. Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

22 years, 3 months

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Aztec C-86 3.40a command line args

by msg＠waste.org

Greetings: We're wrestling with Aztec C-86 3.40a for MS-DOS (1986) and have no docs; we'd very much appreciate a description of command line args and switches for the various tools (if anyone can still find this info), especially the linker 'ln.exe'. We've compiled objects and libraries for a version of KA9Q specifically modified for a newer version of Aztec C (we needed to remove function prototypes and do other workarounds) but the linker chokes on backward references to unresolved symbols. Reordering the objects in libraries is not feasable as a workaround since that would create another set of backward references. There must be a way to get the linker to work properly on its two passes... All replies much appreciated. Michael Grigoni Cybertheque Museum (msg _at_ cybertheque _dot_ org)

22 years, 3 months

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Reel-to-Reel care?

by aek＠spies.com

I think as long as the cast is made from an existing roller then a bunch of them can be turned out in a short period of time. --- Wax casts are for one-shot use. That's why they're wax.. Fancier casts would need to be two-piece so you can get the part out. But, a two-piece would leave a seam. d

22 years, 3 months

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Hopefully not a silly question

by scschaut＠peoplepc.com

Hello Jonathan, I was doing some extensive surfing regarding SEMs, and I happened upon a message that you posted regarding an ISI-WB-6 SEM/EDX that you were giving away, as it was taking up space in the hallway. Of course, the message was posted March 9 of this year (my birthday, but that would be true for approximately 1/356.25 of the earth's population). But I just have to ask: Is that SEM still blocking your hallway, or did somebody mercifully relieve you of it? If not, and you still would like it to find a new home, I would find that a most tantalizing prospect (I wonder how much an interstate transport permit would be for an X-ray source to haul it to...California). I hope that the weather isn't too miserable in Ohio these days (I used to live in Wisconsin, so I know), and have a great weekend! Take care, Steve Schaut

22 years, 3 months

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Reel-to-Reel care?

by aek＠spies.com

> I have used Freeman machinable wax to make molds with good results. Would you like to try some experiments? I have some Apple (actually 3M) roller shafts and some from Wangtek 60meg 1/4" drives that I have cleaned that I could send out. I did measure the OD before removing the goo, of course..

22 years, 3 months

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22-pin PCMCIA cable

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I am looking for a 22-pin PCMCIA cable for my Sundance/Applied Transputer Technology PCMCIA transputer card. The current cable that it comes with is not compatible with the transputer boards I currently own. Here is a picture of the card itself: http://www.classiccmp.org/transputer/smt104.htm The cable needs to connect to the card itself. I need at least 17 wires >from the 22 coming from the cable. Here is a picture of the PCMCIA side of the cable: http://www.thesupplynet.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=453 I have this, but the problem is it only has 8 wires and I cant seem to open the shell. Any help is much appreciated... Cheers, Ram PS: This is a B004-compatible transputer interface that I am planning on running on an Ultra 2 Enterprise Sun workstation with the Sbus-based PCMCIA card :-)

22 years, 3 months

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AIX and not-too-old DEC all gone

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Thanks for giving these orphans a home for the holidays! (and I haven't even gotten my copy of the digest yet!!) Jack

22 years, 3 months

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LGP-21 (and LGP-30) software

by Christian.Corti＠studserv.uni-stuttgart.de

On Sat Nov 29, Tom Jennings wrote: > I just added a bunch of LGP-30 software to my website > (http://wps.com/LGP-21) including the Subroutine Manual I got > from Bob Lilley, as well as the Notes from a college programming > course he taught in the early 1960's. > The Subroutine Manual for the '30 is a goldmine, as it contains > the bootstrap and all the input routines. The site is indeed very interesting. In our computer museum at the University of Stuttgart we have a complete working LGP-30 with Flexowriter and high-speed reader/punch since 1999; it is probably the only working machine on earth. I met David Weil of the Computer Museum of America last year and I gave him a copy of the german maintenance manual including schematics of the LGP-30 and all our paper tapes (read in on a PDP8/e and transferred to a PC with Kermit) on a floppy disk. In return I copied the essential parts of the american LGP-21 maintenance manual (not the complete manual because of the excessive high costs of $0.10 per side) and extracted the wiring diagram of the little daughter board which is in my eyes an instruction set modification. There were many such modifications/enhancements for the LGP-21 for which we have all the documentation and blueprints and I know of a modification for the LGP-30 which added a -Z instruction and an overflow flag in the program counter. I have reengineered this and added it to one of our two LGP-30 logic boards. It is working but we have no software which makes use of this new feature. We have the original and complete sets of schematic diagrams, blueprints and software for the LGP-30 and LGP-21 (except SW). For those who are interested the LGP-30 papertapes can be found at ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/cm/lgp30/papertapes and some pictures and (german) description (needs to be updated) at http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de The paper tapes include the Act V compiler, basic subroutines, 10.4 (successor of 10.0) and 9.0 (bootstrap loader), as well as the original Blackjack game (yes, it's there!) and other stuff. All tapes have been converted to ASCII but there are tools to convert from ASCII to FlexCode and vice versa. I have also written a LGP-30 simulator for MS-DOS (written in Turbo Pascal) that runs all LGP-30 software. I have not published it yet because I have to cleanup the code and translate the messages into English. I will put it onto the ftp server if this is done. I would be very happy for any comments and discussions on the LGP-30 or LGP-21, especially if there is another *working* LGP-30 out there. Our one was built in 1958 and it's working perfectly, the drum has no "bad sector"! Christian PS: Here's a transscript of my simulator running Blackjack. The output is in color (black and red) and it appears to be the same program as the one on Tom's site. *** LGP-30 Simulator *** HALT (C) 2000-01 Christian Corti 5 - c 7 - s 4 - s Card? yes 9 - s Card? Q - h total - l8 total - l7 score = $l.00 J - h Q - d K - h Card? 2 - s J - c total - 20 bust score = $2.00 l0 - h 4 - d 7 - c Card? Q - s 9 - d total - l7 bust score = $3.00 [...] 7 - d l0 - s J - d Card? 9 - s total - l7 total - l9 score = $l.00 8 - d 3 - c 3 - h Card? yes A - c Card? yes A - d Card? yes A - h Card? yes 4 - s Card? 2 - s 2 - h A - s 5 cards total - l8 score = $3.00 [...]

22 years, 3 months

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aztec manuals

by jpdavis＠gorge.net

Hi, I've been on my back with the flu and didn't make it to the shed, Which is only 50 Ft away, but requires me to get dressed and put my snowboots on. I'll scan it Sat morning. Jim Davis.

22 years, 3 months

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New finds, RFI

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I managed to finally open up and look at the Westinghouse/Unimation roboto controller that's been sitting out at Purdue Salvage for the last few weeks, next to a robotic arm that probably weighs >1000lbs and has been stripped of some of its parts. To my suprise, I saw a bunch of what looked like QBUS boards in it... pulled one out and said 'this looks like an 11/23 CPU board. cool!' After getting it home, and seeing exactly what board it was, I discovered it was an M8192-YB... an LSI-11/73 CPU. Along with that was a 64kW SRAM board, a pair of DLV11-J 'clone' boards, and some robot controller hardware... This is a nice topping for the past week... so far in addition to this I've managed to get (for next to nothing): - A pair of Texas Instruments Business-Pro machines - 286-based DOS/ XENIX machines that looked complete (minus kb, monitor, cables) - A SPARC IPX and a few Type 4 keyboards - (OT) A Sun SparcServer 1000 with 3 boards and 5 cpus in it. - (OT) An HP C200 workstation with a high-end 3d accelerated video card - (OT) An IBM C20 workstation, maxed out with RAM Now the real question: Does anyone know anything about the TI Business-Pro machines? Specifically, what kind of monitor and keyboard do I need for it? The keyboard connector is an 8-pin DIN, and I don't see anything that looks especially like a video connector on it. Or can I use a serial terminal with it? I'm doubting it since it's a DOS machine, but not ruled it out yet... Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

22 years, 3 months

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OT: Email header question

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi all, In light of the recent thread about email headers, somebody may be able to help with this one. I don't normally have any problems with the emails that I send out; however one particular person who I send mail to complains that anything I send to him appears in a much larger (unbearably so) font than mail that he receives from anyone else. Maybe someone can have a look at the header on this message and see if there's anything obviously missing (it looks fine to me) FYI, a reply from him showed the following info about his client: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I suspect I send email to a good many people using the same client / version, so there's nothing odd about that. I'm using Evolution as a client on a linux box, with sendmail doing the address munging so that my reply address appears correctly, so that's a little atypical but not *that* odd. Anyone shed any light on what's going on? I would have said it was a problem with his client, if he'd been getting the same font problem elsewhere, but it seems like his version of Outlook doesn't like mail sent by Evolution for some reason... cheers Jules

22 years, 3 months

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DEC stuff available (old, but probably not old enough)

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I have the following: - 3 Personal DECstation 5000/25 (1 w/ 2.88 floppy) + manuals - 1 keyboard and mouse for the above - 3 DEC Storage Expansion units (2 with CD, BA46A, 1 without, BA42A); each has a 95MB CompacTape unit - ULTRIX v4.2 on CD, plus DEC Fortran for ULTRIX, v3.2 - 1 DECpc Lpv+ 405d2 1 DELNI 8 port hub Used to work, no idea about present state of operation or completeness. No monitors or other keyboards, mice or cables. DECstations have gooey feet. Located in Evanston, IL - northern suburb of Chicago. I'm interested in H8-H/Z89 stuff, Godbout/CompuPro docs, 8-bit single board computers, if you feel like trading something, but mostly I want to keep this stuff from the crusher, which is where it will go otherwise, come January. Best is if you come pick it all up, second best if you come pick some of it up. If I have to ship things, you will need to pay postage + a few bucks for packing materials and entropy reversal. FIFO distribution process, though local pickup trumps shipping. Jack

22 years, 3 months

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AIX and DEC Fortran gone

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

but I still have a stack of Decstations and the unforgettable DELNI hub. Jack

22 years, 3 months

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Looking for HP 10342B Bus Preprocessor software

by ian.douglas＠nec.com.au

Hi Glen, My apologies for emailing directly, but I got your address from the email you replied/posted last year about having the files needed for a hp16500A and given the timeframe thought it might be better to email direct. If possible could I trouble you to obtain them if you still have them? kind regards, Ian I have them. I can send you a .zip file with them. -Glen >From: "Charles Ader" <charles(a)socketcom.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Looking for HP 10342B Bus Preprocessor software >Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:42:30 -0800 > >I am trying to find the software that is needed >for an HP 16500A logic analyzer to operate the >HP 10342B Bus Preprocessor. > >The HP16500A I am using has an 16510A analyzer >module. I just need the analyzer setup files and >inverse assembler. > >Thanks, >Charles Ader.

22 years, 3 months

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Databook Thincard

by aw288＠osfn.org

I suppose I have one of these things, and really want to make it go away. This is apparently a late 1980s precursor of the PCMCIA card - about the same size, but the connections are different. Anyway, this little "drive" (officially a TCD/1-E from Databook) is mounted in a cradle, so it fits into a 5 1/4 half height bay. I have no idea what the interface is. Tagged "Not for Life Support or Nuclear Use". So, anyone want this thing for a buck and postage? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

22 years, 3 months

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AIX PS/2 v1.2 - four sets of 3.5" floppies in binders

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

The subject says it all - available for the cost of shipping + $5 hassle charge or else come get them for free. Buy me breakfast and I'll drive 50 miles in any direction (except due east) to meet you some weekend morning. Breakfast deal for the DEC stuff in previous message as well. Jack Evanston, IL - just north of Chicago.

22 years, 3 months

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FA: Collection of Apple, Radio Shack, Commodore

by patrick＠evocative.com

Someone just posted a good-sized collection of stuff for auction on the Vintage Computer Marketplace. --Patrick http://marketplace.vintage.org/view.cfm?ad=309

22 years, 3 months

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FAT file system now licensed by MS ?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

You know, I just re-read this post after a few days and I noticed that the project within Microsoft was "Project Commodore". I haven't read "Hard Drive" or the other Microsoft history books in a few years, but I don't recall ever seeing a reference to that project name. Any background on that? -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Fred Cisin Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:46 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: FAT file system now licensed by MS ? On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Cini, Richard wrote: > So, who invented the FAT filesystem we know today? Microsoft > (through Stand-Alone Disk BASIC)? Seattle Computer (through 86-DOS)? Microsoft. The "Stand Alone Disk BASIC" was used in Z80 machines. It used a seek-center DIR (track 17 or 20 of a 35 or 40 track disk, with a single sector "Granule Allocation Table", usually with 1/2 track for each allocation unit (8 bit entries)) THEN SCP wrote an 8086 system patterned after CP/M, but with a DIR structure BASED on that idea, but with a track 0 DIR, more sectors for the "FAT", and smaller allocation units (12 bit entries). (QDOS, later 86-DOS) I don't know what became of the 8086 Stand-Alone BASIC. THEN Microsoft bought rights to that OS for "Project Commodore" (their IBM contract). (PC-DOS, MS-DOS) LATER, DRI added FAT support to some of their products, and Apple based the original Mac DIR structure directly on FAT (MAJOR shortage of system programmers at the time??) > To paraphrase Artie Johnson..."Very interesting". I think so BTW, Cringely's version is COMPLETELY bogus. The Kildall eulogy is "accurate", but way too biased (delivery of some manuals to Oakland required Kildall stand up IBM, and couldn't be delegated?) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

22 years, 4 months

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Building a PDP-11 for the first time

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>> First, the M8190-AB is a PDP-11/73 CPU board and >> usually runs in an ALL Qbus system. Don't forget that > >So can someone fix this in the "FIELD GUIDE TO Q-BUS AND UNIBUS MODULES" >doc? It's got an M8190 listed as an 11/84 CPU. Since I own it, I'll check it out and adjust it if need be... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01824 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

22 years, 4 months

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kaypro 10 for sell!!!

by stevengunter＠earthlink.net

i just came into this thing and was looking it up on the web. Are you still looking for one? Steve G.

22 years, 4 months

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HP2000 and old archive stuff NOT on 9-track (apple2 transfer??)??

by Zubla2001＠aol.com

> I have some old programs from my HP2000 days that I downloaded to > APPLE-2 diskette (DOS 3.3 and PRODOS). > > Any ideas on the easiest way to get that source uploaded to a network > connected system which should then be able to easily > paste them into a terminal session and get the code active again? > > I have an APPLE //c, a II+ and a IIE. I appreciate any ideas on this one. Bob, I used an Apple serial card, a null modem cable, and a simple BASIC program to use the serial port. There have been some Apple emulators. Does anyone know if any of them can read Apple 5.25" floppies? I know that in the evolution of 5.25" drives and densities, there was the issue of wide heads, wide write tracks, and later heads and tracks were narrower. Was it that modern heads could read earlier tracks? Greg

22 years, 4 months

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Looking for Compaq LTE 386

by vcf＠siconic.com

Has anyone got a Compaq LTE 386 that they'd be willing to part with? If so, please contact me. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 4 months

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Building a PDP-11 for the first time

by chrisc＠addpower.com

The M8190 was salvaged from a PDP-11/23 backplane where it had been running, so I assumed that it would work in a QBUS setup. Is there an easy way to tell whether the card is really Unibus or QBUS? > > M8190-AB (11/84 cpu) > > I separated the '84 CPU because it's oops Unibus and not > Qbus. Everything else you have listed is Qbus. The busses > don't mix. Actually a PDP-11/84 uses a Q-Bus CPU in an adapter of some sort, same with the memory. My concerns with what I see listed above are if the memory will work with the CPU (did it come out of the same system?), I don't have time to check the part number. The other concern is, since you're wanting to run 2.11BSD, is the disk controller supported?

22 years, 4 months

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Disk hardware emulation, was Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >I wrote: >>> Without decoding the data, it is proposed to sample the data at 50 Mbps >>> or more. > >Andy wrote: >> Why so fast? You only need sample at 2x the bandwidth. > >2x is the theoretical minimum; sampling at 2x isn't always adequate >in practice due to various real-world limitations. > >The minimum write data pulse width spec for the WD1000 controller >is 60 ns. If we were sampling and reconstructing a sine wave with >a 120 ns period, 16.7 MHz sampling would be adequate. But that Hi Even for a sine wave, the brick wall filter would be difficult to create. You need a little more room. >wouldn't yield good results for square waves, and there wouldn't be >any margins. In practice, I suspect that 33.3 MHz sampling would be >barely adequate provided that no other problems arise. Operating at >50 MHz seems advisable to have reasonable margins. The thing to consider is that we are not sampling a "square" wave. It is a variable pulse width digital signal. The only kind of processors I know of that could handle this from a port is some of the latest DSP chips. Using a PC, even one like our ( AMD ) latest Opteron wouldn't do well since it is so highly pipelined and unpredictable in execution speed at this short a time interval. There are a number of DSP evaluation boards out there that places like ADI and TI sell that could be made to handle this task. Of course, a simple pulse width counter on the front end could simplify the sampling process. > >

22 years, 4 months

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Disk hardware emulation, was Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

> Why so fast? You only need sample at 2x the bandwidth. What you're trying to do is find the edge position in the presence of jitter though it's more of an issue with floppies that have belt-driven spindle motors. It also helps detect runt pulses in sector splices.

22 years, 4 months

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Free Stuff

by tponsford＠theriver.com

Hi All, Got a whole pallet load of old documentation for $2 at the local University Auction. Some Stuff I'm keeping but if anybody is interested in some of the other stuff, its your's for the cost of shipping, probably USPS media mail, or UPS at your choice. Free to good home: Evans and Sutherland PS 390 Documentation Set (circa 1987) 4 Full size Binders including Hardware and Software documentation. OSF/1 manuals all topics about 40 or 50 manuals all together. I'll keep a few, but the rest go. Digital Unix manuals, about a dozen, all topics. most are the usual software documentation. Digital VMS 6.2 manuals almost a complete set. These are not the big "grey wall" of dec binders but the newer paperback manuals. All of the manuals are in Great condition. It looks as some have never been used. I will have a list of the OSF/1, DEC Unix and VMS manuals in the next few days,(as I go through them) but if your looking for a special one, contact me off-list. Remember as I'm doing this for free (ie cost of shipping) it might be a while before I get them sent. Also, the last time I did this, I got burnt by some on this list who never sent me the shipping costs, so this time shipping costs up front. Thanks Tom Ponsford

22 years, 4 months

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[Fwd: Re: Free Stuff-LIST]

by tponsford＠theriver.com

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Free Stuff-LIST Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:38:04 -0700 From: Tom Ponsford <tponsford(a)theriver.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> References: <3FD8A3AB.4030203(a)theriver.com> Hi all Forgot to mention my Zip is 85630 (SE Arizona) The Evans and Sutherland manuals have been spoken for: Remember first come first served with priority to those who take the most stuff!! Ok, here is a partial list of the DEC stuff: The VMS stuff is too much for me to list today, besides most of it I put in my storage. Its about 4-5 of those plastic 25 gallon storage boxes. But here is the OSF and DEC Unix stuff: ########################################################### DEC OSF/1 8/94 Title Dec # Copies DecWindows Users Guide AA-Q917A-TE 2 Technical OverView AA-Q0R18-TE 1 Dec Verifier and Execiser Tool Users Guide AA-PttMB-TE 2 Calling Standard for AXP Systems AA-PYBAB-TE 2 DecWindows Extensionto Motif AA-QBYSA-TE 1 X Window System Environment AA-Q7RNA-TE 2 Writing Device Drivers Advanced Topics AA-Q7RPA-TE 1 Digital Portable Mathematics Library AA-PUBXB-TK 2 DEveloping Application for the Display Postcript System AA-Q15WA-TE 1 DECWindows Motif Guide to Appplication Programm. AA-QBYTA-TE 2 Assembly Language Programming Guide AA-PS31C-TE 2 Programming with ONC RPC AA-QOR5A-TE 2 Programming Support Tools AA-PS3@C-TE 3 Writing Software for the International Market AA-QoFMB-TE 2 Ultrix to DEC OSF/1 Migration Guide AA-PS3EC-TE 1 DecWindows Extension to Motif AA-QBYSA-TE 1 Programmers Guide AA-PS30C-TE 2 Guide to DECThreads AA-Q2DPB-TK 2 Network Programmer Guide AA-PS2WC-TE 2 Guide to Realtime programming AA-PS33C-TE 2 Network Administration and Problem Solving AA-PS2SB-TE 2 Network Configuration AA-PS2GC-TE 1 Command Shell and USers Guide AA-PS2HC-TE 2 Dec OSF/1 Technical Overview AA-QoR1B-TE 1 Documentation Overview Glossary and master Index AA-PS2JC-TE 3 Guide to Prestoserve AA-PqToC-TE 2 Software License Mgmt. AA-POTOC-TE 2 Kernel DEbugging AA-PS2TD-TE 1 DecWindows Companion to the OSF/Motif Style Guide AA-QBYUA-TE 2 Asynchronous Transfer Mode AA-QDP5B-TE 2 #################################################### Digital Unix july 1985 Installation Guide AA-PS2DF-TE 2 Release Notes AA-PS2BF-TE 3 Logical Storage manager AA-Q3NCD-TE 2 DECladebug Debugging manual: Command-Line Interface AA-PZ7ED-TE 2 Sharing Software on a local Area Network AA-P53LD-TE 1 Security AA-Q0R2C-TE 1 System Tuning and Performance Management AA-q0R3D-TE 1 Writing VMEBus Device Drivers AA-Q0R7D-TE 2 Writing PCI Bus Device Drivers AA-Q7RQB-TE ######################################### In Addition I'll have some old sun stuff, some old SGI manuals and various old computer manuals. As sson as I can get around to going through this stuff. Tom Tom Ponsford wrote: > Hi All, > > Got a whole pallet load of old documentation for $2 at the local > University Auction. > Some Stuff I'm keeping but if anybody is interested in some of the other > stuff, its your's for the cost of shipping, probably USPS media mail, or > UPS at your choice. > > Free to good home: > > Evans and Sutherland PS 390 Documentation Set (circa 1987) > 4 Full size Binders including Hardware and Software documentation. > > OSF/1 manuals all topics about 40 or 50 manuals all together. I'll keep > a few, but the rest go. > > Digital Unix manuals, about a dozen, all topics. most are the usual > software documentation. > > Digital VMS 6.2 manuals almost a complete set. These are not the big > "grey wall" of dec binders but the newer paperback manuals. > > All of the manuals are in Great condition. It looks as some have never > been used. > > I will have a list of the OSF/1, DEC Unix and VMS manuals in the next > few days,(as I go through them) but if your looking for a special one, > contact me off-list. > > Remember as I'm doing this for free (ie cost of shipping) it might be a > while before I get them sent. > > Also, the last time I did this, I got burnt by some on this list who > never sent me the shipping costs, so this time shipping costs up front. > > Thanks > > Tom Ponsford > >

22 years, 4 months

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SGI 4D/25 Personal Iris keyboard and mouse

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi all, Any ides if the keyboard and mouse needed for an SGI 4D/25 was used on any of SGI's other models? A machine just cropped up for free but it's got no mouse or keyboard with it. The keyboard socket on the machine is a 9-pin D-type female (umm a B-type in correct terminology I think) - I'm assuming the mouse plugs into a port on the keyboard, rather than tying up one of the serial ports on the machine? Oh, the root password isn't known either... but I'm assuming there will be ways around it on a machine this old. cheers Jules

22 years, 4 months

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DEC VT420 terminals on VCM

by vcf＠siconic.com

I just listed 8 DEC VT420 terminals on the Vintage Computer Marketplace. I'm asking a mere $5 each plus shipping. They are in anywhere from good to excellent condition. Some have slight burn in. They will be sold off in the order of best to worst, first come first served. Items #300, 302-308. I also listed another Sharp PC-5000 (new in the box). See item #301. Go get 'em! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Is MECC still around?

by Sharp51482＠aol.com

Believe me I tried!!!! At least locally! I did save a few dozen. At the time I was not a member of any group like this, so finding someone who wanted them was not an easy task. Sorry. . . In a message dated 11/28/03 2:35:25 AM, vcf(a)siconic.com writes: > > students progress. Our last DigiCard controller dies about 3 years ago. > > We still have some of the 5.25" disks but 1000s of the software binders > > went into the dumpster about 2 years ago. I would have given them a good > > home but I didn't have the space, and sometimes I just have to say "NO". > > Hmm, how about finding other people who would be interested rather than > dumpstering them? :( >

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PDP 11/84 systems available

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

A friend who manages some communications systems expects to be decommissioning 3 or 4 PDP 11/84 systems soon (~ end of 2003). These systems have been functioning for approaching-two-decades in a (presumably) good environment. Sorry to be a little vague on details (I'm recalling this from a quick verbal discussion) but each system is something like: PDP 11/84 CPU RL02 removable-platter disc drive MD17 / MD175 fixed disc (?) tape drive (9-track I believe, but that seems a little odd, like it would more likely be those mid-80s DEC cartridges) other I/O interfaces presumably I don't know what OS they were running/installed with. Email me and I'll try to get clarifications if desired. I know these aren't the most desirable units of the PDP 11 family (too young and no blinkenlights) (poor not-so-little things), but any takers for adoption? Any bits or modules to be rescued for someone? Location is Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Price is take-it-away-it's-yours (unless we can twist your arm into making a donation to the radio museum with which we are associated). (Smaller bits I will consider doing for the price of shipping.) -------------------- http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/eec

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Reel-to-Reel care?

by kelly＠catcorner.org

Nico de Jong said ... <snip> > To the best of my knowledge, the fabrication of 1/2" tapes has seized. > The last manufacturer was eMag, AFAIK. They are now even advertising > a new service : recertification of old/used tapes. They are also largely > out of stock now, with regard to new tapes. > ... > Nico </snip> We regularly purchase databases from outside sources. All but a few default to sending these on 9-track 1/2" tape (the bigger reels too). The mail houses still using the 1/2 tapes actually have a service charge of $75 to $100 per ten-thousand names to put them on floppy, cd or email. Maybe they're just trying to get rid of the thousands of junk tapes they have around. Anyway, I end up with a closet full of tapes every year. Kelly

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Virus Distribution via this group

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 10, 0:58, Tony Duell wrote: > So what do you want me to change? Should it be text/plain? Or should I > remove that header line altogether (I am not going to totally upgrade my > mail software!). Or should I just stop posting here? It wasn't a rant, Tony, just an observation :-) If you want to do something about it, and it's easy to do, I'd remove that header altogether. It's not valid unless you put the rest of the MIME headers in as well. Of course, one could also argue that whatever is misinterpreting the email in question is also broken, and should be fixed. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Disk hardware emulation, was Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

Something else that would be nice to be able to do with this sort of hardware would be the ability to read an arbitrarily formatted real disc drive. The MFM drives in Xerox 6085's and 8010's have 'interesting' sector formats that can't be read with normal controllers.

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USB 5.25 floppy

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I'm sure one can be built, but I've seen drives like these before (but for >the Macintosh). I just saw a 3.5" USB drive this morning connected to a Dell. From the looks of it, that is they way Dell was delivering the drive for that computer (it was a tiny little tower like unit and had no floppy built in). So they are available for more than just the Mac. I think the one I bought for my father's iMac (so he can transfer pics from his Mavica camera) was not Mac specific and was supported by Windows and Linux according to the box (but the drive sucks, its PAINFULLY slow to copy data, far slower than the USB bus so the speed isn't killed by that... IIRC, its a "SanDisk" brand drive, but I could be wrong). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Alex AVX Series 2 Parallel Computer

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Does anyone have any info/soft/doc on this machine? Here is some general specs: combined i860 + T805 per node parallel computer. Had anywhere from 24-64 nodes. Ran a modified copy of Trollius. Maybe our Canadian / French readers knows something... Thanks, Ram

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DEC M750 flipchip? Also 680/i, DL8/i, DC08A

by aek＠spies.com

I've put the schematics for the M750 and M751 up at www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/modules

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Disk hardware emulation, was Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

One of the reasons for starting the bitsavers archive was to try to collect descriptions of various peripheral interfaces. A couple I haven't been able to locate so far is a description of the ANSI 8" winchester interface, and also a service manual for Quantum 2040 and/or 2080 8" discs (thought I had copies, but haven't been able to find 'em) Anyone have these that could be borrowed to scan?

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HP2000 Tape Conversion

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 9, 20:28, Ron Hudson wrote: > > Somewhere, once upon a time, I found on the net an HPBasic interpreter > either > for windows or for DOS... I don't know where it was though. > > Shareware / Freeware I think. Might have been TransEra's HTBasic -- but it's commercial. http://www.techsoft.de/htbasic/htbasic.htm One of several good places to look for informaton about BASIC in various forms is http://www.icewalkers.com/opd/Computers/Programming/Languages/BASIC/ -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP-85 Rom Emulator

by bkotaska＠charter.net

I'm working on a ROM emulator for the HP-85 - i.e. a replica of the original (and hard to find) Programmable ROM Module. From photos (thanks to Vassilis Prevelakis), I've drawn a schematic of most of the original module. But I've hit a snag where some of the traces disappear under the ICs. I've been able to deduce most of these but some are too ambiguous to "pin" down. Is there someone who owns this elusive module that would be willing to ring some paths for me (probably 10 to 20) ? Some connections may be obvious simply with a closer visual inspection of the actual module. Thanks, Bill

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USB 5.25 floppy

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Using *ANY* floppy on a PowerMac is painfully slow. When I was getting >ready to move from my 8500/180 to my G4/450 AGP I wanted to image a large >number of floppies that I had. I ended up doing the imaging on my >PowerBook 540c, transfering them via ethernet to the 8500 and burning them >to CD. That was a *LOT* faster than doing the reading directly on the 8500. I've seen no speed issues with floppy disks on any of my PowerMacs. Nor is there a speed problem with my brother-in-law's iMac and a USB floppy drive (Imation?). I've tested my slow USB drive on other iMacs, and its always slow... and I've used my brother-in-law's drive on the same iMacs with no speed problems... so I'm pretty convinced the speed problem is with the drive. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP2000 and old archive stuff NOT on 9-track (apple2 transfer??)??

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Kermit, probably, unless you already have a terminal program with file transfer capability on the Apple. You can get versions for just about anything, at http://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/howtoget.html or mirror sites. Kermit can transfer binary files without loss or corruption between all sorts of systems. The tricky part is getting file transfer software onto the Apple in the first place. Kermit-65 (for the Apple ][) is available as a hex file which you can transfer fairly easily and convert to a working program; after that, the rest is easy. Look for the files that start "app..." for Kermit-65 for the Apple. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/appaaa.hlp will tell you what they all are, and get you started. It's easier for the PC, all you need to do is download the relevant program (I'd suggest the slightly older DOS version, which is free, and works under Windows as well, despite the disclaimer -- or at least, it does for me). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 4 months

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Reel-to-Reel care

by aek＠spies.com

> in the absence of manuals I had to dismantle it to find out how I *should have* dismantled it www.bitsavers.org/pdf/hp/tape/07970-90887_7970svc_Dec77.pdf This was for the B series, but the mechanics are the same as the A. > Is the oxide coating stable Depends on the formulation. Early 80's formulas (esp. Memorex) will (has..) become unusable. I've personally had much less problems with 3M formulations. The long term prospects of tape transports with any rubber parts is not good, either. Almost all of the 1/4" cartridge tape drives I own are inoperable because the drive pinch rollers have turned to goo.

22 years, 4 months

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Reel-to-Reel care?

by aek＠spies.com

> I've got old BASF and Memorex tapes (20 years +) that are fine You are extremely lucky. Memorex early 80's tape is the worst stuff I've ever had to deal with, esp MRXIV (red label) andn MRX?? (light gray) If you have anything you care about, get it off of those reels ASAP. It is classic "sticky shed syndrome". The binder becomes sticky and glues the layers of tape together. If you're interested in the details, you might want to try to find a copy of "Tribology and Mechanics of Magnetic Storage Devices" by Bhushan esp the chapter "Role of Chemical Properties in Magnetic Tapes". --- Magnetic tape media has become the bane of my existance :-< The sooner that I can get rid of every mag tape I own, the better...

22 years, 4 months

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Disk hardware emulation, was Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com> > > >On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Eric Smith wrote: > >> The part of the ST-506 disk emulation that's of most concern to me is >> whether anything needs to be done about write precompensation. The >> controller shifts the pulses on write to compensate for the peak >> shifts that happen on magnetic media when flux changes are recorded >> close together. > > > > Is it not true that the precomp circuits are driven by head position >info - thus the 'solid' version (emulation) of any drive would just be >permanently 'stuck' in one mode or the other would the controller care, or >even know, what track and cylinder the actual 'data' were coming from? Hi Some controllers used the cylinder information to turn on the compensation for the inner tracks. > > I don't know if this would cause the emulator qua emulator to fail at >some perhaps subjective level - but I can't see where one would need to >actually legislate write precomp into a block of RAM. > One can see from the timing that there is compensation being written. My understanding is that the selected compensation is only used for the write. The read amps do have some non-linear response to compensate for the normal effects of megnetic data. From what I've seen, the read is fixed for and compensation so regardless of the track, one should be able to provide data with the same framing as any other track. Dwight

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Disk hardware emulation, was Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "James Dickens" <jdickens(a)ameritech.net> ---snip--- > >okay not an expert, but most systems using these drives used interleaving of >sectors(because there was no way the system was fast enough to handle the >data), the IBM PC used a factor of 6. The machine the device would not know >what to do with 30MB/s of data if you produce it. i doubt any machine having >such a drive would benefit from more than 4MB/s and producing data faster >than the machine expects can cause timing errors, that were not noticed when >the machine was new. i guess after the device is made.. yo u will have to >spend more time slowing it down than trying to get it faster. > ---snip--- Hi As far as I know, all PC hard disk interfaces had at least a one sector buffer. This is unlike the floppy interface that did byte for byte DMA. Dwight

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Reel-to-Reel care?

by ken＠fraserhouse.com

Greetings, Does anyone have some "care and feeding" tips for vintage reel-to-reel tape drives? I've recently purchased a couple nice 9 Track drives, and want to make sure they (and the media) last as long as possible. I've already given the heads, rollers and guides a good cleaning with 99.9% anhydrous Isopropyl Alcohol using 'fuzzless' cotton cleaning sticks, and plan to do so on a regular basis. Is there such a thing as too much cleaning? ;) What other tips and tricks should I know? For example, should I always unload and store the tapes in their carriers immediately after I'm done using the drives, or can I safely leave them loaded for an extended period (oxidization? de/magnetization? deterioration?). They definitively look cooler with tapes loaded :) Thanks, Ken C.

22 years, 4 months

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Virus Distribution via this group

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 9, 11:22, Frank McConnell wrote: > Paul Williams <paul(a)frixxon.co.uk> wrote: > > Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > > [Quoting headers from one of Tony's emails] > > > >> Content-Type: text > >> Moreover, they have no attachments, no hooks for attachments, and > >> nothing other than correct ASCII headers and plain ASCII text (as, > >> indeed, the headers indicate). > > > > This header is invalid according to RFC 2045, because it should > > contain a type and subtype (in this case, it should be text/plain). > > Please read section 4 of RFC 2045, then try to find the > "MIME-Version:" header in Tony's messages, then you may understand > that Tony's mailer isn't sending MIME messages. There is some > language in that section that permits software to interpret non-MIME > messages "according to local conventions", but if it tries to treat > non-MIME messages according to the MIME standards and loses, then I'm > free to consider it broken, and I do! So do I -- "be generous in what you accept and strict in what you create" or similar words. On the other hand, RFC1049 doesn't allow the "Content-type:" that Tony's mail contains, nor does RFC822, and as you imply, Tony's mail isn't MIME-compliant -- so it's broken too. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP Apollo DN5500 Disk and sysboot

by g-wright＠worldnet.att.net

> --------------- > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:16:05 +0100 > From: "Aro Hirohi" <arohirohi(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: HP Apollo DN5500 disk and sysboot > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <Law15-DAV19gFrYILoy00004a51(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am trying to salvage a nice Apollo DN5500 server. Unfortunately I had to swap the original Maxtor ESDI 760 HD - it makes a clunky noise - for a lower capacity Micropolis and I have some difficulties to reinstall DomainOS software. > The system starts under service mode. It can read a bootable tape and install the mini DomainOS software but it cannot boot DomainOS directly from the hard disk ... it dies with an "Error: sysboot not found" > > What I've done ... > in service mode, with a 10.3.4 boot tape inserted, > > re > > di c > > ex config, ex calendar, ex invol ... to enter the new hd configuration, setup date/time and format hd then ... > > ex domain_os ... does a lot of shoeshinning, copy base OS from tape to hd and says that sysboot is found and skipped ... > ) go ... goes to HP logo and login or ) sh runs a text shell ... I was delighted ... but now if I shutdown and reboot the system in normal mode, it passes the tests ok but fails to start the base OS complaining about "sysboot not found". Same result in service mode if I do a > re and > ex domain_os. > Considering that it boots fine from a tape, I assume that the sysboot is not a eprom program and that it has been erased by formatting the drive. Does anybody know how to install the sysboot. Does it have anything to do with the 40KB file copied from the tape to //nodeXXX/sysboot on the hard disk? > > Kind regards, > > Aro > > Hi, Aro Did you set up the bad spot list inside Invol ??? Is the drive a listed size drive 170, 380 or 760 meg ?? The "System boot" is the code that gets you from the Rom monitor to the System OS. You should be able to enter "ld" at the monitor prompt and the system will list the machine dependent boot files (not system boot). The "system boot" is installed when the drive is involed. It is also checked when the OS is loaded. That's why you get the message that it was found and is being skipped. If the monitor can't find any system files do a "di w" and try again. I still have a Apollo ring here with a working AA install area. if you get in a jam contact me by email. The tapes are not reliable in age and can have fatal errors if used a lot. Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc

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ping Jay ?

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Jay, Are you alive? Return-receipt requested... --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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