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by paco.linux＠gmail.com

Any Idea ? (located in San Diego Supercomputer Center, fujitsu machines) http://oi39.tinypic.com/255pcn4.jpg -- |_|0|_| |_|_|0| ??? |0|0|0|

14 years, 4 months

Anyone have a case or memory for an HP 9000 712/60

by dm561＠torfree.net

---------Original message: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:52:32 +0100 From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:07:46 -0200 "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> wrote: >> AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory > No. The HP9000/7xx SIMMs look, smell, taste like PeeCee RAM, but they are > different. You need the very special, propriatary HP9000 SIMMs for that > machine. Sometimes you just have to cut a trace or two and/or add a jumper or two; for example here's how to convert a standard SIMM for use in an HP LJ: www.keycruncher.com/blog/2003/12/14/making-standard-simm-s-work-memory-upgr… I did the same sort of mod to use standard SIMMs to expand memory in my Toshiba T3100e.

14 years, 4 months

IBM 5120, Datamaster (system 23) in FLA

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Neal wrote to me: >> I was a developer way back when and still have my 5120 & Sys 23. >> >> I'd like to find these relics a nice home instead of the landfill. >> They were painted funky colors (they look great - not the ugly grey) >> and were used back to back with a glass top for a coffee table. >> >> Neal Lebar >> nlebar at innovatefocus.com >>

14 years, 4 months

FS. PDP 11/35 + RK05 units in Yorkshire

by silvercreekvalley＠yahoo.com

All gone now. Thanks for the interest.

14 years, 4 months

Anyone heard from/of Curt@atarimuseum.com?

by IanK＠vulcan.com

He and I were engaged in an email exchange that suddenly stopped, and I hope nothing unpleasant has befallen him. Thanks -- Ian

14 years, 4 months

Michigan Timesharing System

by aek＠bitsavers.org

the sources and binaries for MTS are now available under http://bitsavers.org/bits/UniversityOfMichigan/mts/

14 years, 4 months

Broken Amiga keyboard

by eivinde＠terraplane.org

I have an Amiga keyboard (pcb says A3000) where the four keys 1, q, a and z doesn't work. The rest of the keyboard functions well. This happened after a longer period where I didn't use the keyboard. Does anybody have any ideas of things to check out to try to get this working again? Regards Eivind

14 years, 4 months

17. Michigan Timesharing System (Al Kossow)

by gerhard.kreuzer＠liftoff.at

Hi Al, please can you check the link, because it doesnt work out here. Thanks. With best regards Gerhard

14 years, 4 months

Recomp disk assembly

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Someone did an impressive job of destroying this to make it look "pretty" http://www.ebay.com/itm/300640339205

14 years, 4 months

Tons of manual and literature from the 1960s+ in Irvine, CA

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Hundreds of computer manuals and literature from the 1960s mostly, the golden age of the minicomputer. Most in excellent condition - many probably never opened. Located in Irvine, CA (Orange County) Includes Univac, HP, lots of minicomputer time-share. No list of contents available - there's more literature than manuals. See a few pictures here. http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals1.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals3.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals4.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals5.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals6.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals2.jpg Last photo is misleading - only about 12 boxes contain this material. Contact Chuck if interested: Chuck.Hobbs at gmail.com

14 years, 4 months

pickup in the Boston area?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hey folks. Is there anyone here that'd be willing to pick up a DEC LA180 printer for me in Cambridge, MA, and sit on it for me for a little while? -Dave -- Dave McGuire New Kensington, PA

14 years, 4 months

SOLUTION (Was: Unix handles file extensions "very poorly"?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

[Resend with corrected Subject:] Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> (in reply to a message from Fred Cisin) wrote: >Steady on, old chap. Pop a few more dried frog pills and calm down. Hah! Then I probably need some too ;-) Are those already on sale in the drugstore in Treacle Mine Road or do you still have to get them from the pharmaceutical institute of the Unseen University? (Another appreciator of TP humor outs himself...) >Joking aside, I have considered it. I honestly think a decent >Win9x/NT-style DOS shell for Linux would help its adoption by Windows > techies moving across. This is somewhat akin to the ideas I've been pushing around for some years now. I'm thinking that porting a familiar OS to some 'obscure' (to the average DOS/Wintel user) vintage architecture could serve to keep lots of these machines in active service with the general public. (But then there wouldn't be so many around for us to hoard - so that's perhaps why it isn't done...) Of course there would be a need for software portability as well, so you might want to include some sort of cross assembler or how-you'd-call-it in the package that, llke, takes a win32-x86 executable and turns out a win32-sparc (or whatever) executable. No idea if that's even remotely possible without excessive manual intervention... > The main snag being that C21 Windows techies >barely use the CLI at all and are not really skilled in it, whereas >1990s or even 1980s MS techies probably know Unix already. So don't contend yourself with just the CLI - you don't have to. There is an ongoing effort to create a FOSS Windows 2k/XP workalike named ReactOS. Currently that is targeted at x86 only but I'm holding high hopes that its code base will inspire such portery. "Windows" for all those systems that pack the horsepower to run it, including but not limited to those that once were NT's target platforms - Alpha, RS/6k (Siemens RM400), PPC (PowerStack) and Clipper (Intergraph) springing to mind immediately. >But I'd love a DOS shell for Linux, yes. If I had the skills, I'd try to do it. Partly for the convenience, partly for fun, partly for the sheer joy >of outraging traditional old-time Unix-heads. :?) Well put. Any of these on ist own would make enough of a reason methinks ;-) Add the conservation and ongoing practical utility of vintage hardware to that and let's see where it goes. Arno Kletzander ...sent from my HTC Magician PDA -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zur?ck-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

14 years, 4 months

cctalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 51

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> (in reply to a message from Fred Cisin) wrote: >Steady on, old chap. Pop a few more dried frog pills and calm down. Hah! Then I probably need some too ;-) Are those already on sale in the drugstore in Treacle Mine Road or do you still have to get them from the pharmaceutical institute of the Unseen University? (Another appreciator of TP humor outs himself...) >Joking aside, I have considered it. I honestly think a decent >Win9x/NT-style DOS shell for Linux would help its adoption by Windows > techies moving across. This is somewhat akin to the ideas I've been pushing around for some years now. I'm thinking that porting a familiar OS to some 'obscure' (to the average DOS/Wintel user) vintage architecture could serve to keep lots of these machines in active service with the general public. (But then there wouldn't be so many around for us to hoard - so that's perhaps why it isn't done...) Of course there would be a need for software portability as well, so you might want to include some sort of cross assembler or how-you'd-call-it in the package that, llke, takes a win32-x86 executable and turns out a win32-sparc (or whatever) executable. No idea if that's even remotely possible without excessive manual intervention... > The main snag being that C21 Windows techies >barely use the CLI at all and are not really skilled in it, whereas >1990s or even 1980s MS techies probably know Unix already. So don't contend yourself with just the CLI - you don't have to. There is an ongoing effort to create a FOSS Windows 2k/XP workalike named ReactOS. Currently that is targeted at x86 only but I'm holding high hopes that its code base will inspire such portery. "Windows" for all those systems that pack the horsepower to run it, including but not limited to those that once were NT's target platforms - Alpha, RS/6k (Siemens RM400), PPC (PowerStack) and Clipper (Intergraph) springing to mind immediately. >But I'd love a DOS shell for Linux, yes. If I had the skills, I'd try to do it. Partly for the convenience, partly for fun, partly for the sheer joy >of outraging traditional old-time Unix-heads. :?) Well put. Any of these on ist own would make enough of a reason methinks ;-) Add the conservation and ongoing practical utility of vintage hardware to that and let's see where it goes. Arno Kletzander ...sent from my HTC Magician PDA

14 years, 4 months

Seeking Dell 316LT laptop ($$$)

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

I am in need of a Dell 316LT laptop. This would be from the late 1980s. Ideally it works. If you've got one and you want to make a deal, please contact me directly. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

14 years, 4 months

Visual 1050 hard drive setup

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:53:12 -0500 > From: "B. Degnan" <billdeg at degnanco.com> > To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Visual 1050 hard drive setup > > On 12/19/2011 05:30 PM, Damien Cymbal wrote: > > > Does anybody have a Visual 1050 with hard drive setup? I am looking > > > for any doc/pointers on how to get a hard drive configured under > > > CP/M for this system. > > > > > I do have two of them with HD, haven't powered it for a little while so > > memory is fuzzy. > > > > As I remember it used a different copy of the bios (boot disk) to configure > > as the bios had to be aware of the hard drive. I can look at docs but > > powering it up would take weeks to get to as other projects are in the > > forefront. > > > > That's correct. There is a special disk to set up the hard drive. I think you > have to have this disk in drive A in order to read the hard drive, I don't think > one can simply boot a 1050 to harddrive. I plan to work on this system over > the next few months, I will document the process on my site when I do. I > also am knee-deep in projects at the moment. > Bill Thanks for the initial responses Allison and Bill. Here's a summary of what I have been able to cull together so far: (1) The Z80 BOOT PROM code (version 1.2 at least, which is the source listing I have) appears to probe the Winchester, for boot e.g. - try to read Winchester - check result - if error, try floppy - if OK, check Winchester label - if bad label, try floppy - if good label load system and boot??? (this part is unclear to me) (2) Not all of the v1050 CP/M BIOS versions appear to support the Winchester. Versions up to 1.1 do not appear to contain the WINCH.ASM module which I am assuming is required for support. I do not have access to version 1.2, but I see this module showing up starting in version 1.3. I would assume that with the 1.2 BOOT PROM and the 1.4 CP/M BIOS I could support the Winchester (barring any bugginess - Bill I believe you have v2.0 of the CP/M BIOS and not sure on the BOOT PROM). What isn't clear to me at this point is how to install CP/M onto the Winchester and get the label setup so that the PROM would boot directly from the hard drive.

14 years, 4 months

DEC RK05 mounting rails needed

by kseiner＠tele2.at

Maybe someone has a spare pair of mounting rails for a DEC RK05 drive, so that I can finally mount it into my H950 rack? Offers from all over the world accepted :) (I'm located in Austria/Europe) - Klaus

14 years, 4 months

HP color crt oscilloscopes

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

is anyone knowledgeable enough of their product line to give me (us) a rundown of these models, and characteristics (roughly) since their inception (1989 AFAIK). I'm in the market for one, probably an older model, any condition, but not too shabby w/regards to sampling rate (let's say starting at 100mhz, they may not have gone any lower anyway).

14 years, 4 months

FYI: CollectiveAccess 1.1 released

by legalize＠xmission.com

<http://www.collectiveaccess.org/news/?p=230> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

14 years, 4 months

Christmas cleanup! [Updated]

by tpresence＠hotmail.com

> From: Brian Wheeler <bdwheele at indiana.edu> > Subject: Re: Christmas cleanup! [Updated] > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 8:46 AM > I've updated the list below, and I've > got a question for everyone.<snip>> > * DECserver 200/MC ($25, will ship) > > 8 db25 portsDoes the DECserver 200/MC support DDCMP for system interconnects? Im reasonably new to the DECnet Phase IV protocol, and was looking to do some learning. If so, I'm interested.Kevin

14 years, 4 months

breaking out of *n*x jails

by RichA＠vulcan.com

From: Sean Conner Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:16 AM > It was thus said that the Great Jochen Kunz once stated: >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:48:15 +0000 >> Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Ditto, and a decent security measure too. >> It would be acceptable as a security measure to restrict root login to >> the local text console. This prevents "missuse" of the root account but >> makes the system accessible in the event of a failure. If e.g. NIS >> breaks you can't get into a Ubuntu machine to fix the problem. All you >> can do in that situation is to hit the reset button and boot single >> user. But that is an other story... > GenericUbuntuNonRootUserPrompt% sudo vi > (while in vi) > :shell > Have fun. > -spc (Has had to do that a few times on fresh Ubuntu installs) That's an awful lot of schratzing around to accomplish what a simple GUNRUP% sudo /bin/bash will do for you. (I use this frequently on my Snow Leopard system.) Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer Vulcan, Inc. 505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900 Seattle, WA 98104 mailto:RichA at vulcan.com mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

14 years, 4 months

Christmas cleanup!

by sander.reiche＠gmail.com

Hi Brian. I just got on the list and I'm working backwards through the archives. Couldn't reply on one of the existing ones. You did update the list, so I'm guessing the vt220 and the 8" floppies actually are already gone? -- ~ UNIX is basically a simple operating system, ? ? ? ? ? ?but you have to be a genius to understand its simplicity. ~ dmr

14 years, 4 months

scan of manual for Processor Tech. 16KRA?

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Does anyone happen to have a scan of the manual for the Processor Technology 16KRA card? Google isn't turning up anything. Thanks! Eric

14 years, 4 months

Visual 1050 hard drive setup

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

> > On 12/19/2011 05:30 PM, Damien Cymbal wrote: > > Does anybody have a Visual 1050 with hard drive setup? I am looking for any doc/pointers on how to get a hard drive configured under CP/M for this system. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > I do have two of them with HD, haven't powered it for a little while so > memory is fuzzy. > > As I remember it used a different copy of the bios (boot disk) to > configure as the bios had to be aware of the hard drive. > I can look at docs but powering it up would take weeks to get to as > other projects are in the forefront. > > That's correct. There is a special disk to set up the hard drive. I think you have to have this disk in drive A in order to read the hard drive, I don't think one can simply boot a 1050 to harddrive. I plan to work on this system over the next few months, I will document the process on my site when I do. I also am knee-deep in projects at the moment. Bill

14 years, 4 months

rl02 and other disks from ebay

by jzg22＠drexel.edu

If anyone bought any of those rl02 or other dec or classic disk packs and media from ebay, please PLEASE read the contents out before overwriting them! I recently found a bunch of lost unix v5-era source code on erased space on an image of a disk pack image from dennis ritchie, archived unknowingly at tuhs, so who knows what other gems may be on those disks in erased space? dump them with dd, not with dump, since dump ignores or zeroes out blank space. Tar obviously ignores blank space as well. -- Jonathan Gevaryahu jzg22 at drexel.edu

14 years, 4 months

recreating C source from binary

by lehmann＠ans-netz.de

Hi, I'm trying to re-create the source files for the Z8000 UNIX I have on my Z8000 system (it is a S8000+ZEUS clone). Easy programs like sync.c where easy. But when argc/argv is involved, I'm not able to generate 1:1 matching binary code. I'm working on /etc/unlink for now. I tried the following C file: char whatstr[] = "@[$]unlink.c 2.1 07/23/82 21:19:30 - 87wega3.2"; main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { if(argc!=2) { write(2, "Usage: /etc/unlink name\n", 24); exit(1); } unlink(argv[1]); exit(0); } The original ASM code for the beginning of main() until the argc check is: 0042 abf3 dec r15,#4 0044 5df60000 ldl %0000(r15),rr6 0048 0b070002 cp r7,#%0002 The ASM code my C file generates is: 0042 abf3 dec r15,#4 0044 1df6 ldl @r15,rr6 0046 0b070002 cp r7,#%0002 keep in mine, that r15 is considered as the "stack pointer". I wonder how to get the ldl from the original binary. I also tried to declare argv with "char *argv[]" which resulted in the same code. Forcing the compiler to store argv into a register by using the "register" keyword results in completly different code: (sp = stack pointer = r15) #17 adb unlink ADB: P8000 1.6 ? 0x0042/i %0042: dec sp,#6 ? %0044: ld %0004(sp),r14 ? %0048: ld %0002(sp),r7 ? %004c: ld r14,r6 ? %004e: cp r7,#%0002 ? $q #18 Maybe the C compiler used to compile /etc/unlink differs from the C compiler shipped with the system (maybe an older version) but I don't want this to be true for now ;) Anyone with deeper ASM and C knowledge than me sees what could be done here? Before someone asks - yes I'm sure the source file was in C and not ASM based on the whatstr. Symboltable of the original /etc/unlink is empty as well (striped binary). Regards, Oliver

14 years, 4 months

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